Liverpool Banter Archive August 04 2014

 

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04 Aug 2014 21:36:20
Icardi of Inter Milan is being looked at as a replacement target for Loic Remy, only interest as of now, but potentially we could move for him.
Cheers

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04 Aug 2014 21:11:27
great gesture by Steve Naismith giving away tickets for Everton's games he also said if any of them turn up before 3:00 they might get a game as well!

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One thing for sure, i'll never say a bad thing about the guy, unless he scores on us hehe. Indeed a great gesture and hope will follow!

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I agree Steve Naismith has shown other players the way to behave, I couldn't resist getting the joke in is all.

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04 Aug 2014 21:03:40
just read llori wants to go back to Spain, is that permanently? I wonder about some of these young players, what do they expect when they sign? to walk into the first team? seems they don't want to play in the under 21's, or go on loan in this country, but they are happy to take the signing on fee and decent wages, pardon me for feeling a little sour!

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{Ed002's Note - His good looking career has been interrupted, he wants game time. There is no option of a loan in England. He says he was given commitments that were not met - the same is true of Alberto. A loan is a good option but with the club not offering game time to the likes of Ilori, Suso and Alberto - it is tough for them to see a future at the club.}

Can understand both Jackthelads argument and Ed's retort. I suppose that the nature of transfers is that some of them work out and some of them don't - as you say Jack a young player at a big club has to work extraordinarily hard and play very well to really get a chance. I think defence is a very difficult area to break into as there is an increased onus of experience - of course if he doesn't play how can he get it but, with the stakes so high, I would imagine it would take some incredibly brave management to play Ilori ahead of some of our other more experienced defenders. There is also the issue, should a young defender make a few mistakes, of how they might react to the criticisms. Some players don't recover from it - age seems to provide players with a stronger mental edge and ability to take such setbacks in their stride, for a young player it could be very damaging.

I think it is an incredibly difficult balance to strike which is why there are hundreds of great prospects in Europe but will only ever be a handful who do make it to the very top. Not sure I agree with your implication that the youngsters are being mercenary though - it really does appear that footballing reasons (specifically game time) are their main motivations.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool need to be better looking forward and managing expectation and I think that has to be a job for Dave Fallows - and the guy is real good.}

Thanks Ed for the really good reply.

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04 Aug 2014 21:28:15
Its rubbish to send llori on loan again. Can someone tell me Y did we buy him?

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{Ed002's Note - Ilori is seen, or was seen, as a really good prospect. Liverpool need to figure out how they manage such guys through to the first team and that may well involve an initial loan. Liverpool has screwed this up rather but need to work the process. The issue seems to be leaving players in limbo for a season. This is a big deal for those that may have perhaps 6 years "at the top" - it is a significant hit when you are young. Mainland European clubs manage these expectations better - I can only think of two EPL sides that have gotten this totally under control. Arsenal and Chelsea.

We could do with selling 3 centre backs to give promising players like Ilori a chance. If we sold Skrtel, Agger and Coates then we'd be left with Ilori, Kelly and Toure as backup centre backs and at least then he could get a chance.

We'd need to sell 3 centre backs first though and selling isn't easy either (in terms of trying to get other clubs interested in the players you would prefer to move on).

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I don't get the regular comments I read on here about selling Skrtel. He was our best defender last year. I know we leaked some goals, but I lost count of the number of last ditch "Carra like" blocks and tackles the lad put in. I'd prefer him and Lovren over Sakho and Lovren.

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04 Aug 2014 23:22:05
Was thinking exactly the same before the world cup. Why do we insist on taking them out of the settled environment they are flourishing in and bring them to a totally different climate, culture and standard of competitive football. Most are playing regularly for their teams or b teams. Then we either have them in our u20/21 teams or whatever or send them to another club in another foreign country. Think we finally got something right by letting origi stay at lille for another season. Plus we can spend more time developing our own homegrown young players so benefits all round

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Your reply to Boom makes a lot of sense ED - I completely agree that Arsenal and Chelsea manage these expectations very well, hopefully Liverpool can follow suit. Ilori's situation (and to some extent Suso's) has not been handled particularly well.

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If Ilori thought he was going to walk into a 1st team place at 20 for Liverpool without having to fight for it, and was relying on ''promises'' he's a god damn moron.

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{Ed002's Note - The thing is not to make promises to these people.}

I agree with Arsenal however I would never have picked Chelsea out as a club that nurtures young talent but I would like to hear your side ed.

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea manage the expectations of young players very well - they go on loan for experience and have constant contact with the club.}

Your reply to Boom makes a lot of sense ED - I completely agree that Arsenal and Chelsea manage these expectations very well, hopefully Liverpool can follow suit. Ilori's situation (and to some extent Suso's) has not been handled particularly well.

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If Ilori thought he was going to walk into a 1st team place at 20 for Liverpool without having to fight for it, and was relying on ''promises'' he's a god damn moron.

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{Ed002's Note - The answer is don't lie to these players.}

Burkeyboy, if the defense is positionally correct those last ditch tackles shouldn't be necessary as often as Skrtel makes them.

I feel like when Skrtel is partnering someone they are constantly covering for his poor positional awareness. He is also a penalty waiting to happen from corners.

He is not as comfortable on the ball as Agger (few defenders are though), not as big a physical presence as Sakho and though we haven't seen Lovren play for us he isn't the leader/organizer Lovren is supposed to be. Sakho/Lovren would be my preferred partnership. Skrtel to be sold while he has some value with Kolo to cover (assuming Ilori goes on loan though I would love Ilori to get some regular game time with us but not going to happen) and Agger to cover Sakho.

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05 Aug 2014 08:05:43
Bob

How did Sterling made it to first eleven? You have to give an opportunity to the player to judge him.
Loaning him to a different country, different league, different set up of play makes very little sense.

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I get that ED he shouldn't have been promised. Obviously I don't know anything about these ''promises'' But its personic to think you will get a place because some one told you you would, regardless of how's you perform. I think it's an error on his part just as much.

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@Burkeboy, sorry I honestly see Skrtel as a calamity. He's constantly pulling and hauling in the box, own goals, punching the ball in the box, poor marking at corners and I think we would be better off getting rid of him.

My reasons, as well as the above, are we would get good money for him (over £10m) and he is on big wages. He will only be backup now that Lovren has signed as well so, in my opinion he would be a good player to sell.

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@bobatron, by using inverted commas you clearly think these promises are silly. I think you're right they are silly promises but I think that's the Eds point - we need to stop making silly promises.

If Rodgers didn't intend on using him after one good season out on loan then he shouldn't have promised him along those lines.

Also Harry is right about giving young players a chance as per his example of Sterling.

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Like I said, we have no idea what was said behind closed doors do we so we have 0 clue promises assurances blah blah were given. I highly doubt BR IA said he'd guaranteed start atleast 20 games regardless of ability and performances.

That's just my opinion though.

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I agree with ED. Can anyone please post who Brendan has welcomed back from loan and given a proper chance?

Young players, wisdom, Ilori, Borini, Assidi, Suso and Robinson all did well on loan. Who will be given a chance? None - all available to be loaned again or sold. Half BR signings costing £30m in total.

Makes it worse is these guys are seeing players of the same age being bought to take those places and opportunities Plus these guys and Coates have performed in preseason. What more are they supposed to do?

Why sign Manquilo when we have Wisdom?

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@bob, none of us know but Ed has said promises were given. Jumping the gun by going 20 games regardless of ability isn't helping your point.

I think it sounds more like if you do well you will be given chances next season. It would be up to Ilori to take those chances then.

He has done well on his season loan and he is what, somewhere around 6th choice centre back - definitely he would not have been promised this.

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05 Aug 2014 11:27:41
Thanks for the reply Ed002. If possible could you explain hows it working well with Arsenal and Chelsea? I have heard Chelsea have near 15 players on loan?
Its a Disaster selling or loaning llori again. Alberto did had some mts on the pitch, So does Aspas.
Llori hadnt kicked a ball in EPL.

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{Ed002's Note - Taking Chelsea as an example, young players have a mapped out future that can include loans for two or three seasons to give them experience. They know this when the arrive.}

05 Aug 2014 11:28:00
Ed002, I'm surprised to hear you say that you think Chelsea have got the process figured out - I'd say that they seem to be decentish at the 'not leaving players in limbo part' but many seem unhappy with being out on loan at different teams every year, and very few if any seem to actually break into the Chelsea team. People like Lukaku, Marin, Van Aanholt, Mceachran etc. Granted they may just not turn out to be right or good enough, but I'd say that either Chelsea's scouting or their final integration into the squad still has some serious work to do. Soton and Arsenal seem the clear best at the process to me - they know what they want to see, one way or another the players get time to see it and if they see it, the players get game time

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{Ed002's Note - Lukaku was responsible for the Chelsea board taking the decision to move him on last February. Others don't all make it. Chelsea have players out on loan of which a lot is expected (e.g. Hazard and Traore) and others who have returned from successful loans (Courtois). Others won't make the cut.}

03 Aug 2014 22:39:40
Ed001, just a quick movie message. I read you saying you watched and enjoyed Transformers IV so I wanted to recommend. Guardians of the Galaxy. It's superb! I grew up on Marvel superheroes comics so am a little bias but it really is fantastic and check out the ratings on IMDB. Not often a movie gets 9/10

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{Ed002's Note - Ed001 is not about. I always liked Alf but found Star Trek far fetched.}

What about mork and mindy ed?

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{Ed002's Note - It was a documentary.}

Movie got 92% on Rotten Tomatoes, now that is really impressive, can't wait to see it.

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I'm an enourmous marvel fan, I don't know what the critics made of it, not that it matters because they seemingly hate superhero films, but I loved it!

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{Ed002's Note - One of my wives was a Silver Surfer fan - Howard the Duck was in my groove.}

Alf was brilliant, you got me reminising now Ed.

Silver Surfer was always the best hero from Top Trumps whilst Dr Doom was best villain :-)

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{Ed002's Note - As long as you are only reminiscing and there won't be a mess, then, hey, cool.}

I always considered Alf a poor actor.

There are many better thespians and method actors about.

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Howard the Duck, that's an 80's classic! For you young folk, the 80's happened before the 90's, yes there is a before. :)

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I always considered Alf a poor actor.

There are many better thespians and method actors about.

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Howard the Duck, that's an 80's classic! For you young folk, the 80's happened before the 90's, yes there is a before. :)

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05 Aug 2014 11:28:28
Ed002, I don't know if you've already seen Guardians, but I watched it tonight and if you stay for the post-credits scene, the scene actually includes HOWARD THE DUCK! Strange coincidence if so.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't often see films and certainly nothing like that.}

He's in it earlier on as well, just in the background

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04 Aug 2014 19:28:47
Hi eds, anything new on Manquillo and Moreno?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

04 Aug 2014 20:45:07
im bored eds, can I get a few players of fifa and ask random questions about them without reading the posts

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{Ed002's Note - Sure.}

Haha I liked that

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Great post!

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04 Aug 2014 18:07:25
Hey Eds,

Are we still interested in Firmino?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

04 Aug 2014 19:14:13
Reina can buy out his contract or lower his wage demands, I think he has a damn cheek to ask Liverpool to release him, he has been happy to pocket the £90.000 a week without sweating blood for Liverpool, he lost his place through not giving 100% in my opinion and ran kicking and screaming when he lost his place.

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04 Aug 2014 21:13:01
He Doesn't deserve a place after putting Rodgers in an awkward position when he was

talking up Barca

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Deano I hope nobody has beaten me to the punch but Suarez was doing the exact same, as do most footballers in world football. I would almost condone Reina for his honesty however that was also what killed him. Rodgers had to bring in a replacement regardless of the move happening. He was a good servant to the club during his time here, it is a shame it ends on a sour note.

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Liverpool offered him that fine and tasty contract a few years back so yes the situation sucks but we can't just expect him to roll over either. Compromising is key.

What I don't get though is how no clubs seem to be interested at the reported figures. I know he regressed but you'd still expect him to be worth it to plenty of clubs across Europe.

If he was to lower his salary demands to an acceptable amount and counter that by an increased signing on fee then it should be workable. From what I understand though it seems that clubs don't think he's worth it.

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I think he's just stating the obvious.

LFC have no choice but to release him, the way I see it, since no club is willing to pay a fee. I suspect that is what will happen at end of month.

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05 Aug 2014 07:47:23
We should follow Arsenal when signing or extending contracts. especially for players at 30's
Even Chelsea are now on this path.

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04 Aug 2014 18:35:29
Been pouring with rain here in Miami, as it does in our summer. If you are going to the game tonight and you are not sitting in club level seats take a raincoat. There is very little covered seating in Sun Life. Will be interesting to see if they allow drinking in the stadium tonight, and if they show controversial ref decisions on the big screens, they did both during the recent England games.

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04 Aug 2014 23:16:17
The big screen thing is something that has to come for every match just like goal line technology did.

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04 Aug 2014 19:58:42
Hi guys. Just came across an article on BBC. Wanted to get your thoughts on this.
Pompey have paid homage to the victims of WW1 by sewing the names of the victims on their home kit. Wouldn't it be a good idea for Liverpool to do same thing, by honoring the Hillsborough victims?

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04 Aug 2014 20:50:41
We do that every year. and most at every match.

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04 Aug 2014 17:11:18
Eds fellow reds, with all this talk of top 4 . Could someone please clarify for me .i was under the impression that there is only 3 places from this season coming in champs league .as the fourth spot had been given to the winners of Europa league . Could someone please confirm which is right .cheers

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{Ed002's Note - No, that is incorrect.}

04 Aug 2014 19:55:57
What? The winners of the Europa league weren't even from the Premier League, why would we lose one of our places? That makes no sense mate.

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The 2015 Europe league winners get a champions league spot (according to the BBC). Eds do you now how this impacts on the league allocations eg. Chelsea finish 3rd in their champions league group but win the europa league and finish top 4?

Does the 5th place league finisher get a champions league spot or the europa league runner up?

Is there even a precedent set for this situation yet?

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{Ed002's Note - England are not giving up a CL place for this. The issue has been explained before.}

04 Aug 2014 17:59:38
there are 4 spots for the champions league, However the winners of the champions league automatically are entered next year so the top 4 will go unless the winner of the champions league is someone who finishes below 4th in which they earn the 4th qualifying spot for the champions league

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Ah man use your head, why would an EPL team miss out when a Spanish team won the Europa league?

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I could just about see the logic in your question if the Europa league winners will be English.

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I think that's only if the winner of the cup is from england

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So what would happen if 5th and 6th position in the PL this coming season win Europa League and Champions league. Would that mean that 3rd and 4th would not get the spot, or is it only 4th that misses out?
Bit tough to get my head around such (unlikely) scenario.

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I think you misunderstood my post ed, I was asking whether England would get an extra place if a team finished in the top 4 and won the europa league?

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained this in detail previously - maybe search on "Europa".}

04 Aug 2014 17:10:45
Eds, are we looking at anymore signings this summer? And how many do you think we will bring in, I expect the Moreno deals all but done but are we bringing in anymore attacking players?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

04 Aug 2014 16:42:33
Hey I was watching the Reds training in Charlotte and Can did something which made everyone chase after him and clap him I can quite figure out what he did. It would be great if one of you knew. :)

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Mb a nutmeg?

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Yeh I was thinking that but you can't see aha :P stupid orange boxes in the way!

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Yeah I think he megged adam phillips whilst looking at someone else.

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04 Aug 2014 15:53:02
Leon Osman "Lukaku will fire Everton above Liverpool this season"

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oh Leon you silly little person, You had him on loan last season and didn't manage it, And now you own him you STILL won't manage it.

Liverpool - Fighting for the League!

Everton - Hoping to be noticed for doing OK in mid-table!

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04 Aug 2014 18:02:25
Armchair ,

Rivalry aside I think your comment is a little disrespectful and they shouldn't be discounted for doing well again this season. Osman is hardly going to say anything different is he?

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04 Aug 2014 19:15:11
True 87red, he shouldn't say anything at all. He's the one who brought it up, not Armchair.

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04 Aug 2014 19:41:53
Anyone care to explain what they disagree with exactly?

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Aww 87red, are you ok?, lighten up mate, it's an LFC page and it wasn't disrespectful, just pointing out we are frigging awesome!

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04 Aug 2014 21:26:39
I'm fine redhead.

Saying Everton will hope to get noticed for doing ok in mid table is disrespectful. The more that fans lack class like him, the bigger the stick people have to beat us with if we fall short

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I'm with 87red on this.

Everton are a very good side and I don't see any point in slagging them off. We were better than them last season, I expect we will be again this season but Everton are serious competition, like or not they are much improved under Martinez.

It's great that we're better than them but they do deserve respect.

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87 red,
Can't we not give our most bitter rivals a little stick? Freaking hell man/woman/drama queen :) :)

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04 Aug 2014 15:11:09
WeRnt those rodgers words about origi being worldclass? :)

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04 Aug 2014 15:05:31
hi Ed002, just seen a post where you was saying your only a rodeo cowboy lol, so are you from the USA, if so have you been able to get to any of the friendly games, I heard the attendence for the man u game was a whopping 109,000 that must be some stadium, i'm sorry if you have answered this before, I did not know you was from there

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{Ed002's Note - I moved from America in 1981 Mickey.}

04 Aug 2014 17:17:41
Ed2 over the years have you seen a lot more interest in football from the Americans? If so how important was the world cup in the States to have a role in this?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - Interest has been cyclic. In the late 60s we had the North American Soccer League which was a handful of teams (maybe 8) and then in the late 70s they expanded very quickly but there was never the interest or money to sustain it. I left to do a sponsored Masters degree in 1981 and moved to London so I got immediate exposure to football here as we moved in right by Stamford Bridge. Since then interest in football in the US has come and gone a few times. A number of clubs have good support in different cities - on the east coast certainly Liverpool and Celtic are favourites. I would think it is now a sustainable market and it is less likely that interest will drift away.}

If I recall you where from san fran, right? don't you wanna move back? I was in the states for a while and I got to say san fran is one of the most beautiful cities in the world

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{Ed002's Note - Nobody should ever call The City San Fran or Frisco. I was born in Bellevue in Washington state but grew up in the Bay Area (San Francisco) and went to university at UCB - Berkeley. We still consider San Francisco the most beautiful city in the world and try and spend time their every year. My mother lives in Marin County still just north of Sausalito, and my current wife's mother lives in Palo Alto - an hour south of the city. I doubt we will ever return on a full time basis.}

Shes chelsea now boy

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Sorry for the san fran 002! personally I hope to retire down there just for the clam chowder!

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{Ed002's Note - Woodhouse Fish Company on Fillmore.}

Football (soccer) is massive at the youth levels in America.

The problem comes into play around high school when a large chunk of the best athletes start playing basketball or American football instead (the girls go to those games, they do not go to high school soccer games). So, many of our best athletes stop playing, sadly.

Couple that with a very broken youth 'club' system which is very much pay to play, and it's tough. The exception is girls/womens soccer which does very well in keeping the best players.

We're getting there and someday I do think you'll see a lot more Americans at the highest level of the sport, if nothing else because we have a pool of 330M people to draw from.

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Current wife Ed are you thinking of trading her in ;)

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Current wife Ed are you thinking of trading her in ;)

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04 Aug 2014 15:02:32
I have a fantastic follow up story to my tonsillitis saga if ok eds. just a quick recap, I came asking for help how to heal my tonsils in quick time, due to going to Greece on Thursday, as my gp refused antibiotics.

Well yesterday, I decided it had gotten worse as I couldn't even open my mouth! I called the 111 number and they gave me an emergency appointment at my town's hospital. When in the waiting room I hear my name called, my heart dropped as I lifted my head, it was only my surgeries gp (that refused me antibiotics) on shift at the hospital!

Well she had a look at them again, and behind one tonsil is a abscess the size of a marble. I looked at her with disgust, she looked back sheepishly. "So this would have all been prevented if I started the course when I first saw you?" I asked ignorantly, to which she said "even if I gave you them, the abscess would of still happened" whether this is true or not I'm really not happy with the whole situation.

She has now put me on the strongest antibiotics possible, but I fear it may be too late now. Thank you Ed002 for your advice, as well as the many global readers with all your remedy advice. I tried a lot of them! fingers crossed I get on the plane for my first lads holiday.

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{Ed002's Note - I am glad it is resolved Benny.}

04 Aug 2014 17:20:42
I am glad you got the drugs you wanted man ;)

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04 Aug 2014 19:46:11
Benny, you can buy antibiotics over the counter in Greece, in case you run out!

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It won't be "too late" man - worst case scenario (as this happened to me) is as the drugs take effect and the abcess drains the pus (I Know this is grim) may go into your stomach causing you to vomit violently. It will only last half a day or so but you will feel goosed afterwards. Hope your grand for your holiday though.

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{Ed002's Note - That must have been a bummer for your first trip.}

Thankfully I wasn't going on holiday I was just deathly ill with tonsilitus for about a week but, after anti-biotics and some spectacular vomiting, was fine within a day and a half.

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05 Aug 2014 11:24:18
Ed002 there's more! The pressure got to much around my head. Went to AnE. Got sent to the jr in oxford. They had to manually drain the abscess, they said it would never have healed with anti biotics. What has happened to the standard of our gps?

This is atrocious behaviour and I'm shocked that Britain has gps like this in practise. Anyhow, I feel on cloud 9 now the pressure has gone, and my Harry kewells are on the mend. Being kept in over night, then fly to Greece Wednesday. I hope when I get back, we've signed a left back. Thanks for letting me share my traumatising story with the lfc family!

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04 Aug 2014 11:34:15
Can someone make a t-shirt that reads -

{Ed002's note - RTFP.}

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Ed rules!

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04 Aug 2014 11:27:04
Any news on a new forward Remi was a big blow would have been a bargain buy need to add more goals and better back up to sturidge as he won't stay fit all season

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new.}

04 Aug 2014 15:24:11
not a rumour just a few things on my mind, i'm thinking we have johnson, enrique, flanno, kelly, robinson, soon manquillo and moreno, that's 7 full backs who should we keep? I think moreno will be starting left back, but for me flanno is miles ahead of johnson currently, kelly still need fitness but I still feel flanno is a better option, personaly I would have flanno with manquillo as back up and moreno with robinson as back if we aren't going to sign a rb.
at centre back I could see atleast two leaving, we can't keep sktrel agger sakho and lovren and keep them all happy, I've got a feeling agger will leave and ilori will go out on loan as toure isn't going unfortunately and coates will be given until january I think.
midfield is okay, I really like coutinho henderson and gerrard as a midfield 3, coutinho is brilliant at finding passes and has a good workrate, henderson is a must in our midfield and could possible take over captaincy after gerrard retires. we don't really need to sign anyone else but if someone was to leave I would love vidal in our midfield, can will be excellent in a few years but for now vidal would add alot!
then forward i'm worried already, I like the 4-4-2 diamond we played last season but I think it might take too long for sturridge and a new striker to really build on what sturridge and suarez had, but if we don't when sturridge gets injured we are looking weak upfront lambert hasn't looked upto it in pre season and borini I just don't think is good enough and should leave for 14 million, I think we will play 4-3-3 with markovic sterling and sturridge up top, lallana will probably come in for markovic and then be brought into the squad as the season goes on like sterling last year. I think after we sign moreno and manquillo we need at assess the players who are leaving and act quickly and sign replacements and another striker and then another also if borini leaves

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I think we should play Flanno as our first choice RB, as he didn't put a foot wrong last season.
I would have johnson as back-up unless we can sell him, as I think we won't see much of Manquillo in the first season.
If we can sell Johnson then Manquillo and Kelly can be back up.

I would have Moreno as first choice LB with Enrique as competition.
I would sell Robinson as I don't think he is quite good enough, as much as I hate to say it, and he didn't impress me at Blackpool last season.

Agree with the midfield, I think we look pretty solid with plenty of cover and competition.

Up-front we are definitley light, I reallly think Remy would have been a great signing due to him being able to play out wide as well as a lone striker.
I think we will play 4-3-3 which I prefer as we look more solid, so Sturridge will be the main man.
Lambert will come good but admittedly he hasn't looked the sharpest in preseason, he is almost trying too hard because he cares so much.
He won't be a regular starter but he will score goals this seaso no doubt.

I hope we sign Bony as the Remy alternative. I was so impressed with him last season with his strength, pace and aieral power.
I think he could fit into the team well, and also play Sturridges role if (when) he is injured.

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04 Aug 2014 17:36:08
Jay91

I am sorry mate, But As it stands Kelly is off, I don't see him featuring in the team. The lad is 24 and he needs Regular playing time, Not back up.
He was available whole 6 months of last season and couldn't get a game ( We were conceding goals for fun).
We would have never bought a 20 year old on loan If BR trust Kelly.

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Personally I could see the season starting 4-3-1-2 with Gerrard, Henderson & Can in midfield, Coutinho just in front and Sturridge up top with Sterling - We were so affective with the formation I think hell stick with what we know to start although he did play the 4-3-3 against Milan so no doubt its something BR is considering, I just lved the diamond and how amazing we played the formation looked so dangerous and I think Can be added will solid the back line up a bit as well, Flanno at rb, Can see skrtel and agger actually starting at centre back just to get through the 1st game as Lovren has had no playing time as of yet and Moreno at LB if he finally signs

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Boom last season we were out of the cups after 1 or 2 rounds and had no european football.

There will be so much more squad rotation this season that I really think Kelly will get his chance and if he performs he could become first choice RB or even CB. I believe Rogers really rates him.

I only think Manquillo won't play that much because he is young and not used to the league.
I think he will be introduced to the squad gradually like Alberto was and we won't see the best of him for a while.

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If all stayed. Flanno and Enrique first choice with Johnson and Moreno as back up, expecting Moreno to take over as first choice at some point.
Manquilo/Kelly and Robinson to play English cup games. I'd always go on merit so if Robinson had a blinder and Enrique had a stinker in the same week then Robinson would get on the bench with Moreno replacing Enrique.

It seems like we have too many but there will be a period when we'll play big Prem games followed by tough CL games in the same week, adding FA cup etc. you imagine Flanno suspended and Johnson injured with Arsenal and Munich coming up the same week. It's all about depth, quality depth now.

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04 Aug 2014 20:56:09
Jay 91

I agree with you on the extra number of games this season. But Surely you are not buying a player from Athletico for just not playing him regularly?.Are we short of academy players for the RB slot.

If I am correct, then Flanno and the new boy would fight for RB.

Moreno and Enrique for the LB spot.

Skertel, Toure, Lovern and Sakho for the CB spot.

I don't see a place for Kelly here.
Kelly desperately needs playing time.

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04 Aug 2014 20:59:04
Emre Can

I don't get this English Cup games. You are drawn against a top team after 2-3 rounds. BR would start a strong team against a good opposition.

Surely we are not buying players for just 3-5 English Cup games?

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04 Aug 2014 12:52:24
Has anybody else seen the crossbar challenge video on the website? I wasn't too interested in that to be honest, but was rather pleased to see Mingolet practicing his goal kicks! If he can improve his distribution, it will go a long way to improving him as an all round keeper.

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Have to say the cross bar challenge is QUAILTY for the few seconds it goes on!

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I think we've had enough practice hitting the woodwork by the looks of it

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04 Aug 2014 17:41:03
Let's just hope those practice session won't turn into an reality!!

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I am a fan of Flanno, but to say he never put a foot wrong last season is being a bit biased. I know he was playing left back, but he did have a few dodgy performances. I recall what happened last game of the season at Anfield He was ripped apart by Sissokho and ended up being replaced at half time. Don't get me wrong I love the Heart the lad shows, but he does lack pace at times.

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He was playing on the left though Jiminy and was essentially shoe-horned into an unnatural position to accommodate are complete lack of depth at left-back. He did make some mistakes but a good number of them where, in my opinion, directly caused by or exacerbated by him playing on the left. He was excellent last season and could be even better on the right this time round.

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I remember on that being Liverpool documentary, BR bet pepe £50 he couldn't hit the cross bar from the halfway line, and had to pay up. pepe is the don at it

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04 Aug 2014 12:29:37
With regards to todays poll of the day, I honestly think Origi has the potential to be World Class (I know most of you don't watch or rate the French Ligue though).

By world class I mean in the top 3 players in the world in his position. He reminds me so much of a young Ronaldo, just with a bit less pace, a bit more strength and a much smaller ego! (which is why I think he'll end up playing centrally with a speed machine either side of him). I for one am really excited to see him at the club in 2015/16. He will suprise a lot of people. I don't think many people realise just how young he is; 19! It wouldn't suprise me to see Ibe/Markovic, Origi and Sterling as our front 3 in a few years time. They will certainly give the likes of Sturridge, Lambert and any prospective new signings something to fight for because Ibe, Markovic, Sterling and Origi have scary potential. I don't want to get you salivating, but by all accounts Wilson, Ojo and Canos are even better (they're all still very, very young though).

I don't think we are going to struggle for attackers for at least the next 15 years. The future is bright!

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04 Aug 2014 14:57:55
HUGE statement that.

Hope you're right mate.

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Completely agree. Good, positive post too.

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04 Aug 2014 15:55:33
EMS, to late, i'm salivating :-)

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Whoops that disagree was me and it was by accident.

Just wanted to pick up on you pointing out Ojo. I know him from School and you're right, he has the potential to be one of the best in the world. However, his attitude could do with sorting out.

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So do I mate. I just see similarities in his game; ghosting in at the back post, driving at people with skill and power, not being afraid to shoot from anywhere. It's a long shot to expect he'll be as good as Ronaldo, but I would not say it is beyond him. With him and Sterling, Ibe and Markovic I think we can legitimately boast the most exciting future attack force in world football right now. All we can do is support them to maximise their chances of realising their potential!

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Just a shame he isn't going to wearing the shirt this season

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04 Aug 2014 11:52:41
Been visiting this site for a while and thought it was time I posted. Been a supporter for many years and a season ticket holder in the 70's and 80's so have lived through the golden years. Now exiled to another part of the country so not a regular visited to Anfield. I see a lot of posts looking for a big name signing. I recall Steve highway, Jimmy case, ray Clemenceau, Kevin Keegan, Phil Neal, Alec Lindsay, ian rush, John Aldridge, Alan Hansen, mark lawrenson, Bruce grobelaar, Robbie fowler, Steve macmaneman, samiw hypia etc. When did we ever buy the big name players. What we need are the right players who are motivated. A blend of youth and experience and versatility. For the first time in many years we are going in the right direction but I think that the next couple of seasons will be difficult while everything beds in but remember it took Shankly a few years to turn the club around when he first came in. I for one am looking forward to an interesting season. Long first post over. All the best to fellow reds.

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04 Aug 2014 14:19:38
I agree with your views. But then the Right player would cost a lot these days.

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Hi Pink Echo,

Amen to that; us old timers know that we develop World class players; unfortunately some of the more newer fickle fans believe in instant success and marquee signings, without understanding the financials etc risks of doing this (unless you have a rich sugar daddy/corrupt Oligarch/Arab billions).

I wish success to my team but not at the point it cripples us; we had an amazing season last year, but it was a team effort; individuals shone within that team, but it was THE TEAM who got us second place, those individuals would not have shone had it not been for other players in the team.

I wish the team all the best this season, but win or lose I will be supporting our team and those players who are playing for our team.

Peace out!
JFT96
YNWA

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Media/Inflation. that's why people expect big signings.

Oh and an extremely basic knowledge of how finances work within a football club.

Myself included.

SIGN REUS, FFS AYRE! :)

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Agree 100% pink echo. People getting too caught up in price these days

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Its a good point, but also worth remembering that occasionally, if a really top player was needed, even back in the day lfc would spend big- kenny, barnes, beardsley are a few examples of very high transfer fees at the time.
But yes, those were the exceptions and not the rule.

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Great post Pink.

Thing is we had total faith in the managers and boot room boys to deliver. People need to trust Brendan a bit more.

As I've always said I have lived from them great days too and it was amazing. And remember this all of you.

You all have a chance now to be at the start of another great Liverpool story so enjoy it like we all did then.

That was the secret we believed in each other from the management to the players to the fans. And thankfully when I was lining the streets last season you felt it again. Beautiful.

Our football club has a had a very hard 25 years and we are finally seeing a golden sky. And I believe we bloody deserve it because we do things the right way.

Brothers.

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I agree with the post, except Lawrenson, we broke our transfer record when we signed him from Brighton.

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You old timers measure everything by what went in the past. Having a healthy respect and pride in what was achieved is great but it is no basis on which to dictate our current actions in the modern day footballing climate. There wasn't super-rich teams owned by businessmen who we were competing with back in the day. There wasn't the huge, commercial side to the game back in the day. There isn't unknown, potential superstars waiting to be unearthed today - so many clubs have such complete scouting networks that the next best thing is already known and being fought over by Europe's biggest teams before they've even grown a hair on their chin.

As a club we need to be living in the present - I like that fact that we were a hugely successful club - but I would like it even more if we could be hugely successful in the here and now. Reminiscing about the good old days, wishing for Shanks techniques to be implemented today, will do nothing but hold our club back further. We currently have forward thinking owners, a forward thinking manager who is implementing modern day, cutting edge techniques (such as having a team psychologist) in order to make us competitive in the 21st Century - that is the new Liverpool way and it is that which needs to continue. Respect the past, cherish the past but keep it in the past.

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03 Aug 2014 18:34:57
Hey ed's just wondering if you could possibly do a poll on whether or not we would want Balotelli to sign? (if the rumours have some truth to them)

I don't think i've ever seen such a split of opinions on a single player on this site before.
Cheers.

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{Ed033's Note - this has been added to the poll of the day as it is a YEs/No vote. Hopefully it will appear sometime this week

Ill vote no he is dreadful

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04 Aug 2014 10:21:30
If anything comes out about the Moreno deal stalling or collapsing etc. Again! Then this deal will not happen! I can't ever remember a transfer saga like this one where it's been on and off so many times. you had the Suarez and bake sagas etc but they were they're on then off or on and gradually getting done!

This deal has been done 3 times now I'm just praying that we'll get an announcement soon!

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04 Aug 2014 11:02:51
I think we will get him. We don't have any interest registerd elsewhere and I don't see us going around players.
Money is always a problem, But then Shaw at 33 mill, Chambers at 16 mill, Philippe Luiz at 20 mill. Moreno looks like worth close to 20 mill. ( Figures might be wrong )

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I expect the Moreno deal to go through now along with Manquillo. Also Bony or Konoplyanka but I feel Kono would be the better of the two just because of his speed and potential. Wouldn't mind both. Ed mentioned Pedro. Would that be still on?

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04 Aug 2014 10:21:27
Woke up to the news that Brendan has dismissed any interest in Balotelli. just felt a bit weird hearing him comment on such speculation. especially noting some of the riduculous media stories linking us with players from all over europe recently . Oh and who will be wearing the no7 shirt this season?

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04 Aug 2014 08:52:29
I for one am glad Lambert missed that penalty against Milan. I hate it when someone has a long standing record that the press are just waiting to end at a crucial moment.
Now he can look forward to taking penalties without the pressure of keeping a long run going.
At least he missed in a game of no real significance. Now when he has to take one in the last minute of a prem league game to win the game the pressure ( and the press reaction ) will be reduced.

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04 Aug 2014 11:04:37
This sound hilarious, I have a standing record of 90+ marks in my exams. And then I miss one which was damm sure to score.

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"And here's Rickie Lambert who has scored his last XX COMPETITIVE penalties"

If there's even a slight edge to put on a situation the red tops will find it!

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Couldn't disagree more. Scoring that penalty would have done him the world of good. You can see he is feeling the pressure, but i'm sure once he get's his first goal he will play with more freedom.

Red Rum

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You think Stevie is going to entertain giving him one - I know the guy has a great record bt there's only one guy I want stepping up to take them who is near enough perfect each time and doesn't feel the pressure and that's our captain

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04 Aug 2014 13:06:34
I agree with this post. Look Balotelli's only miss against Reina of all people. It was in a pretty important clash with Napoli. All good runs have to come to an end and better now than when it's do-or-die

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Can't help but recall Robbie Keane when I see Lambert. Honestly don't feel he'll be a waste of money, however, and he'll finish his career in Red, so there's plenty of time for him to score!

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04 Aug 2014 08:02:57
Has anyone got an update of the boring Moreno saga? Thought this time, episode 4 'Ayres Return' was to finally wrap both Moreno and Manquilo.

Seems report suggest only Manquilo is due a medical. What is the score with Moreno?

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{Ed002's Note - Moreno has been on tour.}

Moreno will join us after the Super cup next week I heard.

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I think we have been reported to have sealed Moreno about a million times now.

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Whos tour Ed?

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{Ed007's Note - Garth Brooks.}

Does that mean no transfer? Thought if it's close a player may get pulled out to finalise.
Is this more like Borini, player doesn't want to leave so club takes them with and plays them?

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{Ed002's Note - He is a Sevilla player and has been on tour with them.}

Nice one Ed07!

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04 Aug 2014 07:38:39
Ed002, Do you think Mingolet will still be first choice GK when the window shuts? I recall you mentioning McCarthy as possible! I honestly think Mingolet will be punished for his lack of command of his area regularly at the highest level, he just about gets away with it now am also amazed Marshall is still at Cardiff the sooner Reina goes the better for everyone involved!

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{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

04 Aug 2014 07:03:58
You know what. This is the first summer for a very long time that I can banter with my Arsenal, Chelsea and United friends / enemies knowing that I have substance to my arguements instead of blind faith. It feels pretty damned good when we're now seen as genuine challengers to the outside world.

It's actually quite amazing how quickly we've progressed to that point. I know us Liverpool fans are bipolar and moan the most but we've always believed we will find a way back to the top of the perch even when we had little reason to.

In years to come, 2013/2014 will be seen as the decisive year in which Rodgers reinvented his keep the ball tactic and focused on pace and blasting the opposition to submission methodology.

With the signings this summer and Sterlings rapid rise to world football domination I really do believe the glory days have now started.

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BR is the man

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04 Aug 2014 04:05:15
Hi, eds. Have we looked at Wickham? isn't he available?

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{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

Haha I'm sure KK was looking at him, imo he's not that great

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04 Aug 2014 01:50:32
anything on victor fischer eds?talks he may have arrived on merseyside.ajax seem willing to let him go, any ideas why?, looks a top talent and still quite young

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{Ed002's Note - Twitter is this?}

04 Aug 2014 11:19:05
Yes and even then, a poor source on twitter.

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04 Aug 2014 01:17:57
I have read manquillo is going to be the new Spain right back, now I'm not saying he isn't but why would A Madrid let him go so easy r is it just a loan and we have no chance in keeping him if he does turn out to be as good as people suggest.

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From what I was told, it's a 2 year loan deal with the option to buy permanently for £5m but that may be wrong. I don't think we would sign a player deemed to have great potential, on loan for a year without a further intention to purchase him if it works out.

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Did he have a bad injury

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04 Aug 2014 13:06:58
hi tommy,

i would imagine they have let him go on loan for exactly the same reason any young promising player goes on loan. they have a lot of promise but can't be given the platform at their current club to realise it just yet. kind of like suso last year or tiago ilori. only time will tell how good he can be but I will be watching with interest

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04 Aug 2014 00:16:30
Hi Ed's,

Quick question and my first post, but can you please tell me if we're gunna bring in any big money signings or who we are likely to bring in because I hate reading all these posts about Reus, Vidal can u confirm anything?

Thanks
JRome27

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have made a number of big money signings already.}

Ed Liverpool fans would like just one player that will really excite us i.e Reus.

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20 million is a high figure we spent that a lot this year

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03 Aug 2014 22:27:30
the below reply was one of your best. Absolute peach. This has to be one of your best reply ever here.

Still a Regular reader of the site. and I am thankful to some posters, who get their views which are quiet similar to mine.

Ed002's Note - I don't want to be played off again against Macca, but we have information from different directions and Liverpool may well be pushing for Bony without my knowledge. To me the answer was always Pedro who would have slotted into what Brendan Rodgers was looking to do, probably seamlessly. I am not aware of a chase for Bony but to me I cannot see how he would be a regular starter. If Liverpool were to get another striker in (and Bony might have been a really good choice), the it is Huntelaar who can provide an option from the bench and Champions League experience that the club need. But I am just a simple rodeo cowboy who knows nothing.

If you could give me one last chance Ed, I would be an asset and would never disappoint you.

That's a word.

harry

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04 Aug 2014 10:59:59
Thanks Eds.
Awesome to be back. How I missed this place.

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Is this the one and only home fan, dream, boom, harry can't remember my name person?
confusion reigns

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I read boom after the text like a dramatic sound effect to harry signing off another post - I like it

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04 Aug 2014 06:12:37
Hi Peeps,

Not so much a rumour, only a question.

Is Coates still a player BR is looking to move on?

Because I have been impressed with him in Pre-Season (from the games iv seen him play). I used to slate him, but he has looked rather good, if i'm being honest.

Also, do you see us making a realistic bid For Mario Bolatelli?

Cheers

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04 Aug 2014 10:17:35
From what I can gather mate he is basicly in the shop window and available for sale. Its just there is very little interest in him.

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I think coates as done well, he should stay as a back up,

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04 Aug 2014 11:30:34
Would you put him ahead of Lovren, Sakho, Skrtel, Llori or Kelly? I wouldn't. As you say he has played quite well in recent games but is definitely one LFC wish to move on, which is not looking like it will happen given the lack of interest as reported by the Ed's. If he does want to stay and fight for his place then fair play to the lad and he will have my full support.

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04 Aug 2014 01:48:12
When asked if Daniel Sturridge's injury underlined the importance of adding a new striker, Brendan Rodgers said: "Yes. It's crucial for us."

That's a bit of a relief, I've been worrying!

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03 Aug 2014 23:22:41
Which positions are in safe hands for the next 5-10 years?

Sturridge is 24 years old and has a great goalscoring record for us. He is more than capable of leading the line for another 6-10 years.

Sterling is 19 and has already proven to be invaluable to our team. He could potentially be playing for us for another 10+ years.

Coutinho is 22 years old and has an excellent footballing brain. He could be our little magician for another 10+ years.

Henderson is 24 years old. His work rate and energy is essential in our system. He could easily run his socks off for us for another 7-10 years (without stopping probably).

Emre Can is 20 years old and is a versatile midfielder. I would like him to concentrate on the defensive side of his game and make that spot his own. If he can do that he could be our DM for 10+ years.

Lallana is 26 years old and like Henderson his work rate will be very important. He will probably be playing for us for 5+ years.

Lovren is 24 years old and is already one of the best central defenders in the premier league. He could be here for around 8-10 years.

Sakho is also 24 and has the ability to be a top defensive leader for us for another 8-10 years.

Flanagan is 21 and has proven he is more than capable of being a regular starter. He could be our first choice right back for 10+ years.

Moreno is also 21 and if he does join he will be our long term left back. He could be first choice for 10+ years.

Mignolet is 26 years old, and has proven to be one of the premier league's best shot stoppers. He needs to work on other areas of his game, but if he does that he could be also be here for 10+ years.

With the likes of Markovic (20), Ibe (18), Suso (20), Ilori (21) and others we have youngsters who are ready to step up to the top level and hopefully they could be a part of this club for 10+ years too.

Expect the oldies; Reina, Jones, Toure, Skrtel, Johnson, Enrique, Agger, Lambert, Lucas and Gerrard, to have moved on or retired within the next 24 months.

Rodgers is building a young squad that will hopefully dominate for many, many years. All the above players are excellent players now so just imagine how good they are going to be having played together for the next 5+ years. The future looks very promising.

Red Rum

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Totally agree, RR.

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I certainly don't think Studge has 10 year in him. at 30 he will fade quickly, he relies on his quick feet and pace. Thos will fade.I think his stay at Liverpool will last maybe another 3 years before we look to replace.

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Your faith in Moreno is misplaced. He is a mercenary and will jump ship to Real Madrid at the first opportunity.

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04 Aug 2014 11:20:50
Players rarely stay for that long a time.

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I see where you're coming from bobatron but looking at the improvement of Sturridge over the last year alone and how much he has added to his game, I genuinely believe the OP is right and when his legs start to tire a bit, yo will see him adopt more of a clinical Robbie Fowler type role, especially with the understanding he will have of the players around him havbing played with them for so long, just my opinion.

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I think you're all missing his point. Young squad which will grow together. Of course some will move on, some won't cut it, some will suffer injuries and hopefully we get to keep half that squad for the next 5 years- a base to build success on. No point saying stupid things like ' Moreno said he wanted to play for Madrid one day' ( not sure how that makes him a mercenary- loads of players would think the same) it's irrelevant to the posters point.

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Honestly don't expect a single one of these players to be in the first 11 ten years from now, with the possible exception of Henderson and maybe Can.

I exptect Sterling and Sturridge to leave for big money in next few years.

Everyone else is too old to be first teamers that far into the future.

But we definitely look in good shape for the next 3-4 years. No question.

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04 Aug 2014 16:15:57
I have a feeling that sterling wil move on pretty quick when the likes of madrid n barca come around. That cld b abt 2 seasons from the nxt season

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04 Aug 2014 15:06:03
EMS

Thats Harsh on Moreno. So whom you think wouldn't jump the ship?. Sterling?, Markovic?
And TBH, Every player ou there would love to join Real, Let it be Moreno or Aguero.
Its a dream of any spanish player to join Real or Barca. But I expect the kid to remain with us for atleast 4-5 good years.
The only way to stop players exhodus is to keep winning titles.
Luke Shaw is a boyhood Chelsea fan and where is he playing now?

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Cheers for the replies. Glad you understood what I was trying to put accross Swish.

Hopefully, with years of growing together, this group of players can become something special.

Red Rum

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03 Aug 2014 21:49:00
Are any teams interested in butland? Doesn't seen to get much time at Stoke! If we did sell reina, I would like a young keeper to be understudy to mignolet! I like mignolet, he's a quality shot stopper, but if he had pressure from a young promising keeper, it would spur then both on! Worst comes to worst I think butland would be a very capable no2!

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He'd be great as a backup but doubt he'd want to move from being Begovic's understudy to Mignolet's. Surely a move to a team like Southampton, Hull or even QPR would be more likely. Hate to say it but even Everton would probably be a more appealing option for the lad. Great prospect though!

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04 Aug 2014 08:05:32
Butland is not a good keeper. If he wasn't English no-one here would ever have heard of him. He certainly isn't better than Jones and there is no reason to spend money on him to push Ward further down the pecking order

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I'm sure he was linked when he first emerged before the Stoke move. I guess we either thought he wasn't good enough, he's not proven us wrong or that Ward will/is as capable?

I liked the sound of Neto when I read the stories after he was linked. I'd prefer a GK around 25yrs old that has played regular 1st football that really will challenge Mignolet.
I doubt a young GK with little top flight experience would be given a starting place when so much more is expected of Liverpool this season, so in turn doubt Migs would feel pressure by one.

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04 Aug 2014 14:00:49
My understanding of the Butland transfer to Stoke last year was that Stoke were expecting Begovic to move on so Butland was brought in to develop as No1. He didn't want to come to us as he would be an understudy.

The fact Begovic is still around may be why he is angling for a move, but as FJM said, he wouldn't move to another understudy role. He wants and needs regular football to find out if he is good enough to be England's No 1 in years to come. Agree with CanDo, would prefer a bit of experience if Reina goes, and I then would also move on Jones and have new one plus Ward as our two backups.

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