Liverpool Banter Archive October 03 2015

03 Oct 2015 23:50:20
So by the sounds of things it's quite possible that B.R is gone next week which makes sense allowing for the 2 weeks International Slot But only if FSG has a Manager ready to step in as I for 1 really don't want a caretaker manager in.
So do we agree it's most likely down to 3 Managers !! ANCELOTTI,
KLOPP and lastly DeBoer and if so what would your order Be ?
Personally I like all 3 and each has their own advantages and disadvantages but for me my section would have to be the manager who can get the best out of our current team as the squad we have in my eyes should be able to compete for a top 3 position atleast.
DeBoer is young and played at the highest level and has plenty of repect and could certainly sort our my main area of concern and that's our awful Defending but what about attracting future players to our club ? ANCELOTTI the oldest and the most experienced of the managers and been around teams that have had plenty of talent and would he still be capable of sorting out this type of mess and work most likely on a lot less of a transfer budget then he's used to ?
Klopp again young and done very well in Germany but how would he cope with the Premiership way of playing but can and would certainly be able to work on the amount of money that would be available for future transfers and I expect could attract many top players who play in the German league and is very cool headed and again feel could sort out our defence.
So everyone who's your choice and why select him over the others .
So my top 3 are KLOPP, ANCELOTTI, DEBOER. But any of these 3 would be vastly better then BR who I now feel has lost the Changing Room and theirs no coming back from that !!

04 Oct 2015 07:40:30
I think that the priority for the club is to stabilise things and in this regard, I believe that Ancelotti is the least risky option. He knows the Premier League, has worked with some of the world's best players, has been successful everywhere that he has been and perhaps, most importantly, has the proved that he has the flexibility to adapt, both in terms of tactics but also when working with different styles of club ownership.

Klopp would be my second choice, primarily because he will likely need time to bed in, whereas I believe that Ancelotti would hit the ground running, due to his past experience of the Premier League, as well as his better overall experience. Liverpool cannot really afford to fall any further and on an occasion such as this, an old, proven head is likely to be the most intelligent choice, imho.

If Ancelotti is genuinely interested in the job, then we should feel genuinely honoured and be biting his hand off.

03 Oct 2015 21:57:47
Ok so it looks as though we will have a new manager soon probably a good thing as whatever you think of BR confidence has been lost in all quarters, but a question for the Ed's, is there any indication the club (I.e those running it) are recognising the mistakes they have made and any new manager will be part of a bigger re think?

{Ed002's Note - I have explained a lot of things have changed at the club.}

03 Oct 2015 19:04:52
Ed002, the job Klopp might be interested in come November wouldn't be the Chelsea job would it haha?

03 Oct 2015 19:50:53
You know i have finally understood why FSG did not sack rodgers in the summer. They were waiting for mourinho to become available. Absolute Genuis

03 Oct 2015 20:02:36
Lol that would result in Gerrard coming back :p

03 Oct 2015 20:15:17
Ha ha Reet. . but, seriously?
Could he be our "special one" despite his obvious breakdown ?
He'd love to take over at Liverpool because;
a) We've got far better fans (own flags etc.)
b) All-male medical team
c) Higher up the League (as of 5pm today).

03 Oct 2015 20:08:01
I think we know what Brendan's excuse tomorrow will be - "We are 3 points ahead of Chelsea".

03 Oct 2015 21:53:11
Or "We are still rebuilding". I know he gives excuses a lot but really needs to get some new material because they're getting stale

03 Oct 2015 23:07:27
My prediction: Abramovich sacks Mourinho and employs Klopp.

On the other hand. Don't write off Chelsea or Mourinho. They are most dangerous when they are down.

04 Oct 2015 07:03:33
ANFIELDPETE, Regarding your first point about having better fans, I don't think that it is possible to argue in the affirmative for this based on the absolute rubbish posted by Liverpool fans here and on other forums.

03 Oct 2015 17:32:15
Hey eds I have been curious about the whole process of a club parting company with a manager/coach? Is there any type of blueprints to follow or is each case different?For instance when Liverpool have let go of managers in the past, have they all been similarly done? Obviously we only hear the official words from the clubs when a manager has left, but when a club is thinking of getting rid, would they be in contact with the manager? or could it be just they get called into the office one day and then given their p45? If it is a stupid question I apologize, just the whole process fascinates me, if it is the same as regular jobs or if it is way more complicated as i would assume it is. Thanks eds, we appreciate the hard work you all do to keep us informed.

{Ed002's Note - It varies.}

03 Oct 2015 18:21:07
Thanks ed02

{Ed002's Note - Phone call, short meeting, long meeting, email, text message etc..}

03 Oct 2015 23:03:22
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03 Oct 2015 16:52:45
So from reading most recent posts it's probably fair to say the majority would prefer AC to take over if/when BR is given the boot. My question to those who do would be how long do you think he would stick around for? Say for instance he is a success and within three years we are a genuine top 4 team that can challenge for the title. Do you reckon he would stick around for the long haul and continue until we won the league or pass it on to someone else? I raise this point as AC is not a young manager and as pointed out been around the block so could easily leave for another challenge. Just interested in people's thoughts

03 Oct 2015 17:02:23
I think if he does come in them i cam see him doinga job similar to lvgs at United (hopefully with a better style of football) and then leave perhaps three years down the line with a younger manager taking over.the

03 Oct 2015 17:15:51
Alan Curbishly?

03 Oct 2015 17:22:10
AC? Alan Curbishley? I'd be more worried about him not being in the game for the last 7 years, tbh.

I assume you mean Carlo Ancelotti, unless there's pages of discussing another guy that I've missed. Ancelotti is 56, that's hardly ancient.

It'll be down to whether the Liverpool job continues to interest him and if a job he'd prefer comes around or not. That's an issue with a manager regardless of age (unless he's pushing 70 and there isn't any other interest because of that). Let's say we got Klopp, and he has us challenging for the title in three years, and that's deemed within the world of football to be a good level of performance. He's surely just as likely to have attractive offers as Ancelotti would in that situation? It's down to the club to keep them interested. And that mightn't always be possible.

Of course, if you want a guy who won't ever leave Liverpool unless he's pushed, then we can get Kenny back in as caretaker until the end of the season and then see is Rafa available in the summer.

03 Oct 2015 17:46:32
CA would be a good manager IMO, however, I can't help thinking (maybe wrongly) that we need a manager who is exciting and will show some passion on the touchline. Someone like Klopp for instance (even if he isn't free currently or wanted). I just don't see CA as the ideal fit although far better than BR

03 Oct 2015 18:07:00
Carlo has maybe 10 yrs if he wanted left in management, maybe longer. Unless he had massive success and titles ge wouldn't get that time

03 Oct 2015 18:11:58
Pardrew, apparently quoted in the reliable daily mail he would love to manage a top club and is jealous of Rogers and mourihno ??

03 Oct 2015 18:30:11
Ha yeah sorry got the abbreviation the wrong way around! All good points plus thinking about it even if decided to go the other way with a younger long term coach and that coach becomes successful there's the likelihood of teams like Real Madrid nicking him whereas Carlo has already been there and done it. The only thing I can think of that he hasn't had a go at is international management.

Also guess the era of managers staying with clubs for more than 5 years is gone.

03 Oct 2015 18:35:59
Pardew is not a bad manager tbh he's just a bit of an obnoxious blert.
He would not be high up the shortlist IMO but he has done a decent job wherever he's been.

03 Oct 2015 19:16:29
Mourinho might be available 😃

03 Oct 2015 21:49:53
Pardew? No thanks!

03 Oct 2015 23:11:57
For all mourinhos obvious ability as a manager I still wouldn't want him. Too much history of him being a tw*t during the Benitez era. The guy is the most arrogant, egotistical kn*b with no class. Plus if you listen to his post match press conferences he passes the buck even more than BR, it's always someone else's fault and they should have always been given a penalty etc etc

03 Oct 2015 16:42:30
Eds is McAlester or Linders job under threat or not?

{Ed002's Note - Obviously if the fans get their way and Klopp arrives then they will be gone.}

03 Oct 2015 17:06:02
Owe ok, I didn't think that either had done much wrong. Klopp ain't arriving mate we know that and shown no interest in him.

03 Oct 2015 22:30:44
Why can't we have anyone in charge with Carra in the wings. Let him sort the defence out - get Robbie back to show the strikers how to score and beg Gerrard backs to sort team spirit out. Hey that's some one hell of a bloody boot room.

03 Oct 2015 14:12:08
just like to say i enjoyed the podcast last night ,like i said last night you should do a live 1 on transfer deadline day in january and swerve the jokes fellers.

good job guys.

03 Oct 2015 15:08:22
Still laughing about the guy getting his manhood out.

03 Oct 2015 19:26:42
We had to see it. I'm guessing it was Harry.

03 Oct 2015 19:48:16
Whether or not it was harry or not i think only ed001 can confirm 😂😀

03 Oct 2015 12:51:12
Ed2, still think it's next to no chance that Klop comes in because reports suggest owners are reconsidering?
Must say that I can't think of anyone more suited to how they want to run the club so I'd be very surprised if he wasn't spoken to at least given how much he's been talking about a PL move and so on

{Ed002's Note - If Liverpool has any interest in Klopp they should approach his agent - to date they have not done so. Perhaps the club should have spoken to him when he was in England earlier in the week.}

03 Oct 2015 15:25:13
I would love Carlo as he has been there and done it. i think the owners should not let money stop it,by saying this I mean go for someone like fdb as he would be cheaper. i think if ancellotti would hypothetically cost more so be it because I think with him in charge the club would stand a better chance of being in and around the top four so would likely earn more money in the long run. just my opinion

03 Oct 2015 11:17:54
I have my fingers crossed and said after Sion game BR's position must be untenable, so glad to read Macca's post.
Macca did say this may differ in timing and overall outcome, but I am hoping he heard correctly.
We have 2 managers heavily linked by unreliable press, and another FDB just popped in the frame. Maybe from previous rumours a while back. Any of these are better than BR in my opinion.
Most on here are right, whoever it is let's give them time to know the team and apply their ways.
I hope for CA as I think he is a proven winner, brings stability for the fans and players, dignified, and a clever football brain. Klopp second for his football style and passion to win rubs off on players and fans.
FDB is young and unproven, but doing well enough. Just my thoughts. He is promising and would still be an improvement.
Exciting times ahead. Possibly!!

03 Oct 2015 12:36:57
I just don't want another young manager who is branded 'exciting' and 'talented' and having to listen to any more of this 'philosophy' crap.

I feel klopp and de boer would just be bringing this in again, it wouldn't be a stark enough of a change.

Whereas i feel ancelotti would come in and give us a kick up he backside, ditch all this crap about talking a good game and just get sh*t done.

03 Oct 2015 14:49:04
Well said, woolback. Ancelotti is what we need.

03 Oct 2015 14:53:25
Ancelotti for me, we need a top class manager and that's what you get with him.

03 Oct 2015 15:04:21
I would tend to agree Anonymous Woolback, hope in a way I got that across with the preferred choice of CA. It would some coup if he does arrive.
No rumour just something which would never happen and all but CA as DoF and Klopp as manager!! Like I say no rumour or suggestion but not a bad dream!!

03 Oct 2015 15:14:53
Partly agree with you woolback, I think ancelotti would be a great short term fix but it's obvious we are rebuilding yet again. That being the case i'd rather rebuild with a long term manager that wants to lay foundations for the future and build a footballing philosophy and progression plan. Ajax system has worked brilliantly for years and fdb has given ops to many youth players. Not sure on klopps record doing the same but he certainly built a great team.

03 Oct 2015 17:50:48
NO, for me Klopp number one and you can't say he is an unproven young manager but a youngish proven manager who is exciting and works wonders with teams. CA also would be more than welcome in my eyes too but for me a second choice, even though Klopp I think is not coming regardless

03 Oct 2015 10:48:15
Obviously, like most posters i think Rodgers is a dead man walking but what i will say is that i don't want to be in the same situation in 2 seasons. Is FDB the right man IF he does come in? I have my doubts if i'm honest. I just want to have some stability! Only then we will see an improvement in performances. Here"s hoping.

03 Oct 2015 13:45:54
Well, first off, is is miles ahead of BR in manmanagement and coaching wich is what's important.
Doesnt he work under a DOF, so acctually the appoinent of the correct DOF is even more important?

{Ed002's Note - FDB won't be available until the summer.}

03 Oct 2015 14:10:12
Totally agree with you Irish , IF (big if) Brendan is given his marching orders, then I hope FSG have learnt the lessons and hire an experienced highly regarded manager and none of this up and coming bright young thing that we have to wait for them to learn . For me , its either a big experienced name who is ready now, or stick with Rodgers until we get such manager.
I know many will disagree , because you want a change for the sake of change. FDB might turn out to be a very good manager, but its a risk; winning the Eredivisie is not that much to boast about even if its 4 times, its Ajax , they like the Bayern of Holland, no one close to compete with them, I would give McClaren more credit for winning it with a small club like Twente.

03 Oct 2015 14:26:03
ED002 If that is the case, who do see possibly taking the job in the interim? Or do you believe FSG have someone else completely in mind?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any plans for Liverpool to bring in any interim manager or coach.}

03 Oct 2015 15:47:22
Thank you ed002 for the response.

03 Oct 2015 15:59:47
Thanks for that ed.
But my comment was more a somment towards the people that slag off FDB or isn't "happy" enough with him.

03 Oct 2015 10:24:25
Soap be is getting shown the door hopefully yet we are seeing discontent with the likes of de boer coming in why? Should we not welcome the change we all want? Br was gifted 3 years and some fans still want him to stay even though he's destroyed the club so why slate someone who's not even taken over yet, why does everyone think Koop would be any better yes he did well in Dortmund but again that's a different league altogether too so how can we base it on he did well once in the champ league we have shown no interest in him so why blame de boer for this let's support the change whoever comes in deserves a chance!

03 Oct 2015 11:35:05
I think fans want the likes of Ancelloti because of the quality of the players he can attract.
I am of the opinion, that no matter WHO the manager is, we will still struggle with recruitment without the draw of regular CL.

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

03 Oct 2015 08:35:26
I meant do you think De Boer would be a good manager for Liverpool?

{Ed001's Note - I am unconvinced myself.}

03 Oct 2015 10:04:54
I'm also unconvinced. Very early in his career

We need a someone with more experience IMO

Cheers
Manny

03 Oct 2015 10:04:29
Ed correct me if I'm wrong but before Rodgers took over I remember you saying you wanted de boer and rated him, has your opinion changed and if so why? He wouldn't be my first choice but if be brought some of those kids from Ajax with him I'd be happy. Riedewald is one that stands out for me

{Ed001's Note - I would rather have had him than Rodgers, as he at least had a track record of winning trophies. He is still not my first choice, but is better than what we have. My issue is he has never had to show any kind of tactical flexibility with Ajax. We have no idea if he is going to be able to adjust.}

03 Oct 2015 10:19:23
Would prefer Ancelotii out of all the options available. Barca will be making an offer for Coutinho next summer according to Ed002, so we need someone who have achieved everything in the game and commands the respect to convince our best players to stay at the club an sign even better ones. Klopp could not stop lewandowski and Goetze from leaving Dortmund so i would go for Ancelotti who imo fits the profile that LFC need at this moment of time the best.

03 Oct 2015 10:20:23
If we were likely to get Carlo or such like we would of had similar instead of Rodgers, fsg won't go with someone with too much power etc

They will want another yes man as they want to remain in charge, while you have to be thankful for what fsg have done I don't believe much has changed in footballing terms since they arrived.

Yes Rodgers is massively underachieving, but have fsg really got the ambition to be fighting for titles and champions league? And is it really possible with them in charge? Can they compete with City? Utd? Chelsea? And even those 3 teams can't compete in Europe!

Just my thoughts.

03 Oct 2015 10:21:56
Who would you prefer ed? And what whoukd you like to see happen going forward to stop this mess. Seems we spend for spendings sake now, never addressing the problems and pushing people out the door who never got a chance.

{Ed001's Note - if it is not to be Ancelotti or Klopp, or possibly Emery, I would go for Pako Ayesteran. It must be said that De Boer would be an improvement on Rodgers, and so I would not be unhappy if he came in.}

03 Oct 2015 14:26:09
I would do a cartwheel if we could get emery, but agree any of the others you suggest ed would be a huge upgrade on brendan.

Still not 100% sure on fdb and i would love pako but can't see fsg take a gamble on him.

03 Oct 2015 11:41:54
How come you like Ayesteran so much?

{Ed001's Note - he proved he was an excellent coach when with us first time around and had the respect of the players.}

03 Oct 2015 08:35:08
I know eds on the live podcast said he's definitely a gonner no other sites are reporting a thing strange

{Ed023's Note - That's because we provide "breaking news" ;)}

03 Oct 2015 09:53:33
Oster, did he actually say that mate? I havnt seen the podcast. Were can i view it?

03 Oct 2015 10:52:48
Yes they said he's gone and he knew yesterday no matter what happens the weekend they are sorting out his severance

03 Oct 2015 00:31:14
Just got home from work and the sites gone into meltdown haha
Thanks macca for making my night.
And to those who where guessing names on my post before I really wouldn't feel comfortable naming him. I have met all of those mentioned though apart from fowler, sadly.

03 Oct 2015 00:08:19
Hope everyone enjoyed the live podcast. We got there in the end! Got through a lot of questions and had a laugh doing it. Thanks to all those who contributed :)

03 Oct 2015 01:16:37
Was it recorded benny?