Liverpool Banter Archive May 03 2013

03 May 2013 23:05:39
Please stop the ashley Williams and alonso talk their price is been driven up by arsenal and chelski and don't fit the transfer policy so pleaded put end to this

clee Dave

Driving up by Chelsea? But they don't even have an interest. Did you mis-spell media.

Melbourne CFC

We are going to get Williams and Alonso


Fact Infact fact

How are their prices driven up by Arsenal and Chelsea?
I like Alonso, and i'm sure if the price was right he'd love to come back. Liverpool won't pay silly money for players anymore, and if any other team were to make silly bids for players, then so be it, good luck
Haven't seen much of Ashley Williams but I hear good and bad things about him. BR will have his targets and if he or Alonso are 2 of them, then I will back them.
It's very clear that defence is priority in the summer, and I hope for 3 - 4 signings depending on who leaves
Good times ahead me thinks

RD

Were did you get media out of that melbourne

The media are the ones reporting the bs story Red Branch. Dave said Chelsea and Arsenal were driving up the players price. Due to the fact Chelsea isn't interested in either player, we can't be driving up the price, can we.

Melbourne CFC

Oh I see you were trying to be funny, hang on

03 May 2013 22:53:10
Do u think we will go for Sinclair from citeh
Could be a shrewd buy

Why when we have ibe. i'd rather take ince than sinclair to be honest.

He'd block any progress of Sterling and Ibe, plus he really isn't that good. We need a right winger, not a left winger.

Papa G

I think there is every chance BR will try to bring him in, but we won't be the only club after his services.
Could be a good replacement for Downing, but to be fair, he's had a reasonably good season. BR has some tough decisions to make in the summer

RD

03 May 2013 22:16:22
Reports on sly sports is that Southampton would refuse Europa league via fair play as the manager says you should earn it through your league position. BR has apparently said the same thing. Read an earlier comment that BR would accept it. Can anyone clear this up?

I agree it should be earned, and TBH, I think it will hinder getting players ready in pre season and fit enough for the start of what will be a very important season


RD

How can we say no? I'm sure the sponsers would be pretty peeved denying them extra coverage.

Dan.

03 May 2013 21:05:27
Good old Silvia Distan, he feels ''sorry for Red fans'' ahead of the Liverpool Everton match with the blues once again looking on strong to finish above us reds in the League. So, I suppose that it's quite fitting that I still feel a little sorry for Silvia after he gave a dodgy back pass in last years cup semi-final at Wembley which Liverpool scored from. You know Everton's biggest chance and best opportunity to win an actual football cup for many a year. :)

Nice banter Silvia, you've been a good servant for Everton and Portsmouth fair play.

That semi final that was lost to Liverpool made Distin consider retirement. on Sunday he will again be on that mindset.

03 May 2013 19:40:56
Oh how times have changed. when we were looking up at you this used to be our cup final. now the years have passed and various managers have wasted hundreds of millions to finish below your neighbours. your season has come down AGAIN to try and finish above the the bitter blues. yes we are bitter and twisted. but we admit it. surely your not bitter to anyone not even us blues, you enjoy joyful banter with the mancs and wish them and Alex all the best. no you hate us and Manchester United etc more than anyone. you are the most bitter and hated supporters in britian. gujo

Does that feel better lol

I certainly don't hate Everton. It's nice to see wee small teams do decently for a few seasons. Maybe we would care more about Everton if you ever won something? Not being mean but I just think its quite cute when small clubs think finishing 6th is a major achievement. Well done toffees.

Jason

You're still looking up at us no matter where we finish in the league.

Its posts like that which make you realise there are a lot of hateful sociopaths on these pages, unfortunately.

JFT 96

JP

Have you ever tried yoga?

. yawn. Do Everton fans have a list of comments they choose from, because they say the same old lame things again and again and again.

"You can rob me, you can starve me, you can beat me, and you can kill me. just don't bore me"

MR EM

All you have is the finish above Liverpool cup, since 1995. You must be so proud. Your dross lad and your manager is a trophy less clown

03 May 2013 19:21:49
Inan is going to sign

03 May 2013 18:20:38
Eds fellow reds, just seen coutinho new hair cut. I thought it was suso at first, he looks about 16 now

Ahoy - I am glad he has had it cut, he previously looked like a hybrid of a young Michael Ballack & Fred West.

BOILED ONIONS

And I thought I was the only one who thought twas Suso! :O I'd say play both of them on the same team, just to confuse the defenders!

sama491

04 May 2013 07:04:07
ive always though he looked like a yound pauly shore ha

03 May 2013 16:56:52
Hi Eds, I hear that some of the academy starlets are nearing a call up from BR (Ibe, Teixeira, Yesil, Pelosi, Adorjan, Brad Smith) and that only a few bad injuries have prevented this already. Therefore do you think it likely that we will only bring in two or three senior players this transfer window and instead promote some of the above youth players to the first squad for next season?

03 May 2013 15:17:10
Eds I have a serious question.
How much does Torres weigh in pounds and do you think this will have any affect on his transfer value?.
Also if you could buy one player for Liverpool who would it be. You would have 30 mill to spend.
Question to any eds!

Don't know if pounds in weight actually has any bearing on transfer fees but that said, the last time Ken Aguero was transferred (from Belmarsh to Parkhurst) he weighed 259 pounds and he went on a free. (well six months if the truth be known). RED LENIN

I would buy hummels

Yeah because Hummels is looking for a club that are only playing once a week, he claims "twice a week is to stressful, find me a club not in Europe next year" I think you guys must be favourite for this champions league finalist!

I love it when rival fans try to wind Liverpool fans up about europe. Makes me laugh. Where is the only european cup in England at the moment?
yeah that's right!

03 May 2013 16:36:48
People are giving Anderwield a lot of stick over being too slow, but can he pass well? I don't see a problem with a system where he anchors the defense and Agger roams around more, as long as he can distribute well from the anchor role. You need pacey defenders but not everyone has to be pacey - look at Mertesacker, doing (mostly) fine in Arsenal now after a rocky start.

Also, I can't believe he is THAT slow if he plays RB sometimes

What abject ridiculousness is this?

Lol ;)

Red Lee

Anderwield is not good enough for us, he is too slow and he is not the boss type of defender. we need to buy a top top defender next to agger, we need a vidic/chiellini/kompany type that can control the other team striker. our style of play he needs to be strong fast and play. very hard to find a player like that. just look at our team 1 king in the back and a world class winger we be a force. for me if we get cb/midefielder like eriksen and a class winger we should fear nobody in the league. only sell skrtl/assaidi/quates keep all the others who does not step up next season can be sold when we reach cl football. and replace those players then. we are only a few players away from the top I am sure

Quates :)

He's not that slow he is faster than Carragher and less clumsier than Skrtel

03 May 2013 15:45:57
we have a added 2 more scouts from man city both english, I do not see why we are doing this. we should have 1 scout in brazil, argentina and maybe 2 in africa and 2 in europe. if we have a brasilian/argentinian scout he will tip us at a early stage. we need them to life in the county that we are scouting or close. malta

What the hell are you talking about?

1. Scouts being English does not mean that they only look in or even specialise in England. We have scouts looking all over the world.

2. We may already have scouts in the places that you mention.

3. Why would we have scouts in Africa, when there are almost no decent leagues there?

Hello Eds,
I now fully understand what your work is like after reading the original post. :)

03 May 2013 14:41:24
Aldwrwield is slower than carra, no thanks

No he is not. He is an excellent CB, faster than any of our current CB's.

On a related note, there has not been confirmed interest in him and you want to slate the guy already?

The real AG

Your spelling makes me think you don't know much about so i'll choose not to believe this.

Aldwrwield

Secondly he is faster than Carra

Thirdly Kelly, Sama & Wisdom are probably faster.

but still I'd rather have Serdar Tasci as Agger's center back partner

03 May 2013 14:10:31
I think this is a very realistic wish even though I have no idea whether BR is interested in some the players I suggest should buy.

Departing
Carra, Caroll - £14mill, Skrtel £12mill, Coates £4mill, Spearing £3mill, shelvy £4mill.

Ins - Negredo £13mill, Alderweireld £8mill, Williams £10mill, Inler/Strootman or any proven box to box midfielder with physical presence for up to £15mill and a cover LB.

I think these 5 additions will improve the squad by a great deal and surely people can see the squad and say we deserve to be in top 4.

when I see the current squad now, I don't believe we have enough quality to be in the top 4

Mate I have seen milk turn quicker than merge do, he is pap!

03 may 2013 12:56:52
just an observation:

waiting in the car, i was listening to talks--t when a man united fan called about chelsea in europa league final. he sounded so petty and jealous i could not beleive it! saying they didn't deserve to be in the final, they were the most rubbish european champs etc etc. this just sums 'them' up, doesnt' it? a friend who is a man united fans (i know!) asked me why do people hate manu? they didn't hate liverpool when they were winning everything! i think a national referendum would be useful to ask all fans why do they hate united? it's not jealousy it's. many many other things!
sorry if i went on and on. ynwa

Lets be honest mate, a little of it is envy if not outright jealousy. But, much like us when we decide to talk about anything other than pure football, they do make it really really easy to hate them very often.

IranRed - poor post mate IMO.

I've been a United fan for over 20 years and I totally disagree with whatever that 'plonker' said on TS radio. Not everyone shares the same views you see - crazy isn't it?

The trouble with 'them' (LFC fans) is they believe that every United fan is the same and shares the same views. I mean how silly! ;)

There are jerks that support each club mate, believe me.

And by bringing up the whole 'people hate United because of the fans not because of the success' - well unfortunately that puts you dangrously close to the 'jerk' section of Lfc fans. I know plenty of Lfc fans who would never spout such rubbish!

HB

Nice post HB lol

In answer to your question, I think it's a lot to do with there manager, he has been classless from day one.

He has used every trick in the book to gain an advantage, threatning to hold players back from England squads because he may not agree with a punishment the F. A. may be about to give him his club or one of his players, actively encouraging his players to surround ref's and argue in the hope you may get a dodgy pen/decision later in a game etc.

Using his media cronies to put pressure on opposing managers who are challenging at the top with him, perfect example being Rafa when he hit him with FACTS yet the media called it a rant thus undermining Rafa giving the impression that good old Fergies mind tricks have worked again, when in reality Rafa was highlighting the way the fixtures seem ( on a regular basis ) to favour United.

Using other managers ( Allerdyce etc ) to get at opposing managers hoping to build more pressure on them, maybe get them them to take there eye off the ball and not stay focused.

None of the great managers would resort to such slimey scheming and underhand tactics, but you have to give it to him because it's worked. but the OP asked why they are so hated, IMO that's a few of the many reasons why!

Waro

Very good post Waro, He never misses a trick, and if any journo/reporter asks him awkward question, he is then barred from next interview, so he gets an easy ride, and the way he gets at the fourth official and nearest linesman goes way to far, he also has his team spread the yellow cards, so there is no red given, every trick in the book, ha you could write a book.
redforever

It worked for Clough.

DaveyBootle

I'M afraid to say HB mate you're from a minority, I can say that out of all the Man United fans I know maybe 6 of them have they same attitude as you my friend, and you can have a decent conversation with them about football.

i know I give you stick now and then but to be fair you can take it on the chin and give as much as you get.

Red Branch

I'm up for the banter mate, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I can tell you that you're generalising though - for example, 3 of my closest mates are United fans and they're all sensible, realistic and (relatively) unbiased in their views. But then I'm not going to base our whole support on my mates, like I said there are '!d!ots' in both camps - I see enough of them on our site and on here to know that ;)

Waro

That just sounds bitter and blinkered TBH, see DaveyBootle's comment. Also, some people like to aim this 'classless' tosh at Mourinho too, who is a pretty great manager.

I'm sure you would have hated to have such a classless - yet successful - manager at Lfc for the last 26 years?

HB

Also, Waro forgot to add -

You feel the need to point out the negatives in SAF or what makes him 'classless'.

By the same token I could call King Kenny (another great manager and top man would you not say) 'classless' for his support/denial of the Suarez-Evra incident. Of course I know the reality was that 1) Kenny made an error, and 2) most importantly - he dealt with it the way he did with the single-minded aim of protecting LFC.

Does point 2 not account for what you see as 'classless' acts by SAF?

I'm sure most of the most successful people in any industry will push the boundries in the hope of gaining that extra slight advantage. For example, we see many manager's trying to influence the refs in interviews these days, I can remember Moyes, Dalglish and Pulis doing it in recent seasons off the top of my head, as well as SAF. But to level such acts at SAF alone is why I said you're blinkered.

Seeing as SAF has spent so many years at the top there will inevitably be plenty of examples for you to choose from but he's no more ruthless or underhand than many top manager's. I'm sure if I really wanted to I could do some research into what other great managers have gotten up to I'd find plenty more examples - but I can't be bothered as I'd rather crack open my flagon of cider :)

HB

Oh and Red Branchm

"you're from a minority"

I hope you realise this statement insinuates that you know what every single United fan is like? There's quite a few hundered million of us mate, so you must have gotten round a bit ;)

HB

Been around alright mate but what the misse's doesn't know can't hurt.

03 May 2013 20:25:47
Purple nose is a bully and was once taking to a tribunal by a woman at st mirren for being so. I for1 really hate utd but I really feel as much as you hate their fans gloating can we really say, there wouldn't be plenty of us giving it the we r the best thing since sliced bread, my hatred although would still be there maybe a hint of jealousy if things keep going the way they are but if purple nose is gone it would be well diluted. Tommy Irish Red

Tommy Irish Red - fair play mate that sounded honest. I hate Lfc too and I'm pretty sure if you guys were winning stuff and we weren't I'd be a little envious!

Red Branch - Lol, knew it!

HB

03 May 2013 12:49:05
I understand that Carra deserves a good run before his retirement, but the way Skrtel has been frozen out completely is unfair and disrespectful to the player.

He was our player of the season last season and is a quality defender. I find it amazing that we are rumoured with defenders like Williams when Skrtel is a class above him.

There will be many clubs in for him in the summer and I wouldn't be suprised to see him move to a club like Man City or Arsenal, but I hope that he will regain his place and that we buy an extra defender as backup/competition for him and Agger.

Red Lee

03 May 2013 13:04:31
I haven't posted from a while, But this is top post. couldn't agree more.
no one knows what's actual problem he had with BR. suerly there were games where our defenders were awful than Skertel.
Seems BR putting a stamp on the club
No one is bigger than the club. Probably in 2 years No one will be bugger than BR.

What abject ridiculousness is this? Skrtel was awful almost every match he played. He made basic mistakes, had no leadership to him and generally sucked. Yes he was good last year. This year he has been dreadful and very rightly lost his place - it's not about giving Carragher games, it's about giving our best defense games and Skrtel is not part of our best defense. Not everyone is suitable for every style. Not everyone remains on top form and in the first team for 10 years solid. Deal with it

Harry Scousser,

You have posted recently - but may have forgotten to add your name to the bottom of the posts, lol. You'd forget your head if it wasn't screwed on mate!

HB

Sounds like speculation all around concerning Skrtel's absence. None more than claiming it's an issue with BR or it's him putting his stamp on the club. Harry you sound contradictory, Is Skrtel bigger than the club?

Maybe a deal is already in place for him to go?

Strange that he went from players of the season to can't get on the pitch?

To be fair Cara has done the side proud since he's got back in so Skirts cannot expect to just walk back in.

Skrtel.
Heading ability 5/10. (corners liability)
Tackling 6/10. (penalty all day)
Positional play 5/10. (often caught out)
Endeavour/effort 9/10. (Always gives 100%)
Total = not quite good enough.

Skrtel has not been playing because he has been out of form. Carra stepped in, did well and we continue to play him. The last time Skrtel started, Man City away and Southampton away, he was piss poor.

The real AG

Yet he was the season before Kidmillions. that's the point of the OP!

The Irish Rover

Kidmillions:

I pretty much agree mate but maybe;
attacking headers (corners) 7/10?
defending headers (corners) nobody bloody knows as he's usually dragged him to the floor!

RobInRed

Skrtel had a very good season last year, though he always remains an accident waiting to happen, just hope we get the right price for him when he goes, prob this summer.
redforever

Correction, when he started at Southampton and when he came on against Man City, is what I meant to say.

At the end of the day, ask yourselves, has Carra and Agger done better than Skrtel this season? YES! That's why he is on the bench.

The real AG

Spot on kid, and anyway he's on the bench for a reason and il not pretend to know why, but il trust BR judgment on the matter.

Personally think he had a falling out with Rodgers

There are so many Liverpool players who have had a run of bad form this season. Skrtel, Reina, Johnson, Lucas, Allen, Downing, Henderson and Sterling.

However my point is that most have had the chance to regain their form. Reina, Downing and Henderson are all playing well at this moment in time. Lucas is improving and Johnson despite having planty of game time has been pretty average.

In my opinion, knowing that Carragher will retire at the end of the season, we should be playing Skrtel to try and regain his form for the start of next season.

If BR does intend to sell him, then you can understand why he isn't playing, but if the plan is not to sell him then freezing him out will do no good for the players confidence or match fitness when he is needed.

I will also add that I think Carragher has done an excellent job since being recalled to the team.

Red Lee

Actually, I think Skirtle is a very good defender. He has been great for us when on form. Scores a few goals too from corners. My old fella refers to him as a yard-dog, but I was never sure if that was a complement or not. He is a solid defender and one we should not get rid of too quickly IMO.

03 May 2013 12:18:03
Not a rumour, just an observation. On the tv website, In most Liverpool articles were readers can leave a comment. I would say easily 50 or 60 percent are other clubs fans slating the club. Yet in Manchester United articles its a struggle to find one negative comment. tv eds review the comments before posting them. Is it just me or is there a degree of bias in how these comments are published? {Ed002's Note - Perhaps the answer is the obvious one.}

Maybe United have less to be negative about? Or just don't have this venomous attitude that seems to be drifting around our fanbase nowadays?

03 May 2013 12:02:33
15 million for villa? Ud wanna go back on your meds my man there's no way the owners would cough up 15 million for a 32 yr old and rightly so imo

03 May 2013 10:31:37
The club is looking for 3-4 quality first team players, as well as adding some more depth to the squad. angelo ogbonna, christian eriksen, christian tello and James McCarthy are the clubs prime targets.

Pretty much all of what you say bulwinkle.

The real AG

You forgot the last few words to your reply AG 'will not be joining'

03 May 2013 08:30:58
Shawcross is a good player to have if your in the trenches against direct teams.
Apart from that I hate watching him play. Ed is correct.

03 May 2013 07:43:15
I predict the summer will bring.
In:
Alderwield £8.5m
Tello £7m
Ilori £1m
Out:
Skrtel £12m
Assaidi-ajax px. or £2m
Shelvey £4m
Coates £3m

Alderwiereld is a very good shout now that spurs appear to have lost interest

03 May 2013 05:03:39
Kjaer to partner Agger in the center of the defense next season.

So who is agger signing for?

03 May 2013 00:24:12
eds, please tell me what is the point of the europa league. all these teams play countless qualifying rounds. they then play in mini leagues to qualify for the knock out stage. at this point the losers from a completely different competition join in and hijack the event. ultimately we end up with the farce of two of these losers from the champions league contesting the final. surely the europa league is the most pointless competition in the sporting world. {Ed002's Note -It gives clubs the opportunity to play in European competition, to increase their profile and their income.}

Totally agree It's a complete joke of a competition {Ed002's Note - Would you be saying that if Liverpool had just got to the final? Or are you just a poor loser?

To me there should be no relegation from the CL and then it'll be a great tournament. I find it very annoying that clubs not quite ready for the CL work hard to achieve a place in the EL, and then other clubs fail in another tournament so get put in. If you qualified for the CL, that's your cup and when you're out you're out.

Agree with samsam.

The real AG

I agree with 'samsam9000' on the format, although I did find it funny that certain LFC supporters were over on the United site a couple months back saying how the Europa League is the better competition and had better teams in it! You couldn't make it up, well they could.

HB

You serious HB? I find the middle stages (after the group, before the semi's) more entertaining quite often than the CL but the teams are not better and it is certainly not a better competition. However, it is a highly creadibly one (or should be) that gets devalued by the lack of thought by UEFA. I

The format is faulted and I also agree with samsam. Doesn't seem right to qualify for something else because you failed in your original tournament. The knockout rounds very early in the season are also a negative, impacting pre-season and friendly arrangements. I unlike some, give an certain weight to the Europa League. It's a European trophy is it not? The contemporary spawning of the Cup Winners Cup. I wouldn't criticize in the slightest teams that win, but then why do we slate the process and tournament? It's now viewed as more of a nuisance and distraction from the league and has completely lost it's legitimacy. The more I think about the potential causes of the decline it becomes too many to list. It's a shame overall it has lost it's prestige.

Agreed it's a shame FL. Some fundamental things needed changing when they re-vamped it, not just the name.

I think the Europa League is a quality competition. It is badly devalued by losing Champions League clubs being allowed into it though - that aspect should be removed. If you fail to qualify from your group in the CL that should be it, you're out of Europe. Still they're not the rules so any team left in, CL 3rd placer or original qualifier, will be taking it seriously and so they should, it is a quality competition.

SMc

HB - you keep saying your a unbiased United fan then keep spewing rubbish on the Liverpool message board, get a grip.

02 May 2013 23:02:25
Hi ed's, what's the difference in the money of the tv deal compared to the last tv deal? And what's your assesment of rodgers 1st year in charge? Will fsg be happy, or could we see another p45? (Imo time is needed)
Thanks
PEACE and JUSTICE
FT 9-6
Y--N--W--A {Ed002's Note - It is about a 20% increase. Rodgers has failed to achieve his target. FSG will not be happy with the final league position nor with one of the players, but I don't see them considering moving Rodgers on.}

Hey ed, you referring to Suarez?

Drigan {Ed002's Note - Of course.}

They stung Rogers with out demspey or any striker and he has to trim the wages loosen players I think he done very well

03 May 2013 11:07:29
Rodgers didn't trim any wages, that's not his job, that's boards job as same as agreeing wages to pay players, what about Allen, borini, assaidi, sahin, etc did they contribute anything to this season, the answer is simply no, so Rodgers has massively failed, next season if again we miss champions league then Rodgers will be shown the door!

Are you sure eds? At the strt of the season fsg said we would love to finish top 4 but its not a priorty. Then rodgers has now said that they had a target of 15 clean sheets and 70 goals, very close to that now. I agree league position is not good enough but i'm not sure about failure.

13reds {Ed002's Note - The target has always been perfectly clear.}

Sahin's goals won us at least two matches. Allen was brilliant at the start of the season before he took his injury, and Borini has been injured all season and has shown some great movement (although a lack of finish for the moment) when he has been fit. The only player who appears to have failed is Assaidi

Allen has been poor all season (except for August), don't know why fans try an make excuses for him - team has played better everytime he hasn't.