Liverpool Banter Archive March 03 2016

 

Use our rumours form to send us liverpool transfer rumours.

03 Mar 2016 19:54:07
want to see what the Eds and reds think on this?
I know it's been mentioned on here players are playing for their futures under klopp but how do u think it will pan out if some of the players labelled as gone have some great games from now until the season end does this change the plans of the summer?
Only asking as I think we need to be firm as a club and fan base and if their not good enough move them on and not hold any sentiment because he's a character or is amazing 2/ 3 games a season
What's the thoughts guys?

Believable1 Unbelievable4

{Ed001's Note - if they prove themselves it will increase their value.}

03 Mar 2016 21:31:59
Well Lallana seemed to be on 'the list' for many to leave. If he plays like last night 7/ 8 times during the last 10 games and well in Europa, would it be worth selling?

I'd still keep Kolo based on his last 4/ 5 games. Also changing my mind on Milner a bit.

Whatever happens I trust Klopp and his staff.


03 Mar 2016 22:00:37
Kolo and milner are unnecessary for me while lalanna and benteke have a chance to prove themselves even if it is very slim with benteke. However it is not like klopp will be ignoring him he will still be trying to explain and train him to play a more suitable role in his desired system and it is not completely out of the question for their to be enough progress for klopp to give him another season at least.


03 Mar 2016 23:22:46
Kolo would stay for me as 4th or even 5th choice, you're not going to get any better to sit on bench, however if we have a youth prospect like Jones coming through maybe give the spot to him but to offload kolo and buy a replacement would be a massive waste in my book. Judging by Lucas's performances of late at CB I'd also get rid of both skytel and Sakho (just takes to long to get back to form and seems consistently injury prone) leaving us with Matip, Loven, Gomez, Lucas and Kolo. Seems decent to me. Obviously add a few youngsters to that list.

Mignolet should go.

Milner and Allen should both leave just to free up space. I would love to see Rossiter do a flannigan and make his way back into the reckoning. We need some local heart in the team, look at what flannigan bought against city. We miss that.

Up top Benteke has to go and possibly Sturridge but would be hard to make that call. And would need a very good replacement for him.

All hypothetical of course it's clearly not that easy to offload fringe players.


03 Mar 2016 23:36:00
no chance benteke staying. paint runs more than him. no sentiments please.


03 Mar 2016 23:43:16
Hard job klopp has but clearly they just aren't good enough maybe some can turn it around end up staying and be brilliant but very unlikely for a lot of them.


04 Mar 2016 01:08:58
So many factors have to line up:
1 - is there an interested buyer
2 - will they meet our price?
3 - will we budge if they don't?
4 - will the player accept the transfer?

We have a good number of players on loan simply because we couldn't achieve the above.


04 Mar 2016 03:32:25
a few of those were on loan because Rodgers after spending like a madman realised he didn't have room for his impulse buys, also the buying club only want to give us the true price for the players, not the vastly over inflated price Rodgers paid for them, also liverpres you have to factor in the wages, in many cases they would have to accept a wage cut to leave Liverpool.


04 Mar 2016 05:55:03
Allen will leave along with toure, toure has done well since coming in but with matip coming in he's not needed. Also I bet his wages are fairly high for a bench warmer.

Milner will stay another season or 2 but lallana i'd sell as him, coutinho and firminho all play in the same position and lallana is the weakest imo.

Benteke is gone it says it all that klopp is picking origi ahead off him.

Hopefully we bring in 1 or 2 wide players with speed, to many times we come forward and the play is slowed down allowing the other team to set up defensively.


04 Mar 2016 05:58:58
I know Kenny - you can't help but shake your head can you mate? The club have been burdened with paying for players we don't need, want or have room for, all because we brought players in before offloading some. It has been shambolic to say the least. Wages - that is pretty much what I meant by point 4. It is not the player's fault as much as it is the poor management and committee decisions that have been made.


04 Mar 2016 13:26:33
KK is on the money. BR acted like a guy who just went to the car dealership after winning the lottery and spent, spent, spent with no idea where he would park them in a single car garage. thank Heavens, we`ve seen the back of him and hopefully Klopp will end the binge spending on players who are either not good enuff or we don`t need.


03 Mar 2016 19:48:14
Fantastic result last night without arguably our two best players Coutinho and Sturridge do they come back in for Palace game or is it as Shanks would say never change a winning team . personally I am sitting on the fence (doesn't half hurt! )

wine for my men we ride at dawn-Jurgen Klopp.

Believable6 Unbelievable4

03 Mar 2016 20:02:29
Better off without mr ball hog up front in my opinion.


03 Mar 2016 20:10:09
I would like the team to remain exactly the same and only bring in sturridge and coutinho when changes is needed. No 1 deserve to be drop on the last performance and also no 1 deserve to get a guarantee spot in starting 11.


03 Mar 2016 22:35:20
So there must be players that Klopp thinks are right now definite targets to come in and ones that are definite keeps/ exits. For the others I would like to imagine that perhaps Klopp would wait until the season ends. Get away for a week or two and then come back and make a cool judgement over all the games he managed. It must be difficult when you are driving, motivating and encouraging these young men to not be emotionally vested in their hopeful success while the season is still in progress.


03 Mar 2016 23:44:34
Also euros and copa America can influence a lot so can see not to much rushing.


03 Mar 2016 19:33:55
Obviously there is no doubt that at the moment Sturridge is a better player than origi, but do you think firmino plays better with origi than Sturridge. Sturridge drops off all over the place, taking up a lot of the space that firmino works in, which is fine when we don't have it, but if Sturridge has the ball deep there is less options ahead of him. Origi stays higher, albeit sometimes wider, keeps the centre halves back, allowing more space in front of them. Do you think this is a problem? Should Sturridge stay more up the pitch? Coutinho doesn't really make runs in behind he prefers it to feet, should he be more willing to get in behind?
Just comes to mind as origi was battling well for firmino's goal, allowing the space for lallana to run at Kompany, and firmino to be free?

Believable9 Unbelievable6

03 Mar 2016 19:52:42
Sturrdige needs to get over himself dropping deep cause he thinks he can do it all

He needs to stay up top I fully agree his dropping so deep is point as nobody is up front.


03 Mar 2016 20:16:31
To be fair, Sturridge is one of the better creators in the side. Since he's come back, he's played in numerous very clever passes that probably should have been converted by others.


03 Mar 2016 20:28:13
Blimey!

Sturridge has been back for about 4 games and is already scoring.
With Sturridge in the team, we are much more threatening up front, there is no doubt.

But I've would not believe it unless I read it. Benteke (rightly) gets criticised for not moving up front. Now Sturridge is getting criticised for moving too much!

Dropping off, going out wide confuses defenders. They don't like a moving target. They like a static target (Benteke) .
The reason we are more threatening with Sturridge is because of his movement.

Ridiculous to criticise the lad, it's frankly embarrassing IMO.


03 Mar 2016 21:38:39
If Sturridge isn't getting service, he's drops back to get it and get involved to try and start something which isn't happening, otherwise he'd stay up front.

If he didn't do that, and he has created moves doing this, he'd be labelled as lazy and not trying or caring.

Shame that we all wanted him back and fit, yet some are on his back for trying to do too much. Eh?


03 Mar 2016 23:16:41
How will he get service so deep? I don't mind him drilling off to create space, but when he drops off just to pick the ball up and move it, it should be a job for another player, doesn't mean he has to be static.


03 Mar 2016 23:46:53
Why moan over his movement suarez was constantly dropping back Messi has always done it now for Barcelona they have one or the other dropping you should be happy studge is working his arse off dropping back and not being lazy.


04 Mar 2016 01:40:42
I think the point is that we don't need him to do it. Origi stays on the shoulder of the cb's while still being mobile. Sturridge will drop to pick the ball up if he's not being involved, and it seems we don't have the midfielders to fill that position he vacates.

Give everyone some time to reacquaint themselves. We have a lot of potential up top if they can stay fit and develop an understanding.


04 Mar 2016 03:56:29
sturridge has made some brilliant runs himself and not been picked out with a pass, he needs to form an understanding with countinho, and also the midfielders, i'm very pleased with origi myself but he has a way to go before he is in danny boy's league, then again they are both Liverpool players so I hope they both do well, not play one against the other, origi was called rubbish before he even kicked a ball for us don't forget.


04 Mar 2016 04:24:22
I would actually say we go for Sturridge and Origi up the top to compliment each other as we did against Southampton many matches ago. They seemed to work well together there.


04 Mar 2016 07:34:50
Sturridge has the skill and vision to drop back and start moves from deep. If he is playing it's a fluid front three, it's not his fault if Firmino and/ or Coutinho don't make the deep runs in for him. Notice Milner does this after Klopp has a word in the cup final.


04 Mar 2016 11:03:49
The odd time is fine, that just makes sense in terms of movement but he's been Trying it too often and he's not as good as other number 10's so it's not necessary. One of the biggest gripes when he was out was that we had no one with speed getting in behind. So how does that change when he's back? He's also a little too selfish to play that deep. Agree Suarez did the Same but then he had sturridge Generally in front of him and you only need to look at the assists Suarez got which justified him coming deep.


04 Mar 2016 14:08:07
Against Augsburg the lad I went with was in a bad mood all night.
Anyway, Sturridge found himself on the half way line on the touch line. The ball came to him and immediately this lad piped up "What the bleeping bleep is he doing out there"!
He flicked the ball in field to Milner, Milner put a first time ball into the channel and Sturridge was there to pick it up on the edge of the area. The lad next to me sat down and kept quiet about Sturridge from then on.
His movement is brilliant. The defence suddenly panicked and sat deeper for 10 minutes after that.

He's feeling his way back in the team, he's creating space, he's scoring goals, he's worrying defences. Give him a break, he's been superb since coming back.


{Ed001's Note - I don't know what anyone has to complain about with Sturridge on the pitch, only Aguero is a better striker in the Prem.}

03 Mar 2016 19:16:10
redohio, agree with your comments regarding Moreno I think the quote you are looking for is

"MORENO couldn't DEFEND AN INNOCENT MAN"

wine for my men we ride at dawn- Jurgen klopp.

Believable10 Unbelievable5

03 Mar 2016 19:35:15
Ideally maybe he'd go in the summer, but with Clyne Flanagan and smith coming through, I think we have higher priorities.


04 Mar 2016 02:39:42
Nice one, Mr Bond.


03 Mar 2016 14:44:58
This one is for the Eds.

Just read one of the articles posted on the site regardCONCACAFing FBI extraditing Guatemalan football guy.

Also, ED02 had mentioned that they are also investigating into other FIFA corruption matters.

My question is this: How is all this into their jurisdiction. I understand that they are a US body, so how come they are investigating organizations who are not in the US.

Shouldn't it be someone like Interpol or maybe a mix of Euro country authorities?

Believable0 Unbelievable3

{Ed002's Note - Guatemala is a member of CONCACAF which is based out of Miami in Florida.}

03 Mar 2016 13:40:04
A lot of people are still questioning Klopp mainly because our record didn't improve instantly under him. However he's now had a reasonable amount of time at the club, has better players available, and has had more than 2 days of unbroken training without a game!

And here we are in our last 3 games with 9 goals scored in our last 2 premier league games (and zero conceded), 2 clean sheets in Europe and progression to the next round, and took a top team to penalties in a final. In fact in our last 5 games we've won 3 and drawn 2 (excluding the penalties) scoring 11 and only conceding 1 in that time frame! Two of those games were against Manchester City!

We got criticised for conceding too many goals and Klopp has rectified that without cutting our goals being scored.

No progress? Get out of here you pessimistic bunch ;)

Believable25 Unbelievable8

03 Mar 2016 15:20:03
You should be a politician lad you are the king of spin when it comes to suiting your own argument.

"2 clean sheets in Europe" - to a team struggling in the Bundesliga and where we needed a penalty to score and progress.

"9 goals in 2 premier league games" - a true stat but let's add some context: one of those teams was a truly woeful, definitely relegation bound Aston Villa whose defence was truly, truly awful. The other was a quality City side and that result was great. The point being is using stats, as the backbone of your opinion, is daft.

"took a top team to penalties in a final" - a team we rinsed 3-0 days later. A final we were lucky to take to penalties given the amount of chances they had and the poorness of our play and a final we could and should of done better in.

The three games before the ones you are lauding us for were a 2-1 loss at West Ham in the FA Cup, a 2-2 draw at home to a bad, struggling Sunderland side who were 2-0 down with 15 minutes to play and a 2-0 hiding by a team who wanted it more in Leicester.

Stop using stats lad, it is a ridiculous way of justifying your point. The crux of what you say - that Klopp has and will improve us - I agree with, but the way you express it and the spin you try to put on it is just grim. Please mate no more stats.


{Ed001's Note - hang on, how were we lucky to take them to pens? They were lucky you mean, as what else can you say when the goalie lets a simple save slip through like that?}

03 Mar 2016 15:42:48
The goalie was rank and that goal was fortuitous but on the balance of play I think City were much better than we were for much of the game and had numerous chances to bury it. We had very few chances, did little to really stretch or test City (unlike yesterdays game) and ultimately did not deserve to win that final. This is only my opinion but I think there was more to the game than just the 2 goals and, on the balance of the game, I think City were much better. If the shoe was on the other foot we would have been cursing our luck and wondering why were unable to score - instead we were happy to still be in it come penalties - honestly I don't think there was much for us to be lauded for in that final.


03 Mar 2016 15:58:07
EMS, in defence of people like me (and Seano apparently) it was never about doubting Klopp it was about casting a critical eye over what was actually happening and not participating in hyperbole. As you point out we've had a decent run of form and I hope that Klopp's turned a corner but as Seano points out this run was preceded by some awful games. With any luck we're witnessing the start of something great but I think I'm going to wait to see if we can sustain this form for a little while before I let myself believe we're on the up.

Ed1, in relation to your response to Seano, although the scoreline is far more important than performances or chances created, suggesting City should feel lucky they made it to penalties is a massive stretch if for no other reason that they were denied one of the most blatant penalties you're ever likely to witness. City outplayed us and it would have been a massive smash and grab if we'd won.


03 Mar 2016 16:48:53
4 clean sheets in 5 games? It's ridiculous to suggest that is anything but good when we've played away in Europe and against title contenders twice. Augsburg are struggling in the league but they've been good in Europe this season. Also they have a great away record and before we faced them they lost 3-1 to Bayern Munich. So they're hardly whipping boys. If our defence did what Bayerns couldn't and kept them out not just in 90 minutes, but in 180 minutes then what's your problem?

City were the lucky ones. They needed a fluke goal thanks to poor keeping to get to extra time, they spent the 30 minutes of ET clinging on for dear life, and then Cabellero stood a yard off his line for half the penalties which is cheating.

Whatever way you look at this we've conceded one goal in 5 thanks to poor keeping from Migs, got through in Europe, taken 6 points from 6, and scored 11 goals in the process; narrowly missing out on silver ware due to a dodgy shootout. How am I spinning anything? I'm just stating facts and saying that I think we're improving. Surely improving is scoring more and conceding less? that's just football basics. Spinning stats would be pointing to thinks like shots on target, possession, corners won etc to claim we're improving. Scoring and keeping clean sheets is how you win football matches. But don't worry, I get it. "Oh look an EMS post! let's hound him for using stats in a completely relevant context, backed up with logic and opinion because it's the done thing! " *sarcastic thumbs up*.


03 Mar 2016 17:37:38
We beat Villa 6-0, their biggest defeat of the season. A team at the bottom of the league, true but where unbeaten at home since December until Liverpool stuffed them. don't under estimate what Liverpool done. Credit where it is due.


03 Mar 2016 17:39:53
Nobody's arguing with your facts or that things have been good over the course of the last few games but you're using it as evidence that people shouldn't have doubted Klopp. If we lose our next three games are you going to decide that Klopp's worthless? Of course not.

Klopp is currently neither a good or bad Liverpool manager, he's just our current one. When he demonstrates he's raised the performance of the team over a sustained period that may change but there isn't a sufficient body of evidence to say that with confidence yet.

P. S. They only lost 3-1 to bayern which shows they're not whipping boys. Seriously?
P. P. S. Dude, you're in massive denial if you think we were somehow robbed in the League Cup.


03 Mar 2016 18:00:18
You shouldn't have doubted Klopp partly because it's ridiculous to make any assessment this early in his tenure, but secondly because he asked us to change from doubters to believers 😎.


03 Mar 2016 18:11:47
I don't think it's fair to attack EMS's stats In this case. They are relevant in this instance and he makes a good point about our recent form.
In contrast, I don't think EMS's original post was particularly fair on the others posters either.
Klopp did not bring with him much of a change of fortune when he arrived. As Ed02 pointed out, his win % was equal to Hodgesons,
Now, I hadn't actually seen anybody giving Klopp any stick per say, but people were/ are just as entitled to question his methods much the same as we all did under Rodgers.
I think the biggest a problem if I'm being honest was a lot of th supporters (myself included) put Klopp to high on the mantle to early, we expected bigger things out of him than perhaps we should have, and I believe this has shocked some.

With regards to the form, I certainly hope you are correct EMS and we are starting to turn a corner, I must admit we do look pretty hard to beat at the moment, even in games we aren't playing well. However I'm sceptical it's another false dawn, so I won't be expecting us to play any better for the rest of the season than we did in the beginning and the middle, if anymore comes from it then it's a bonus.


03 Mar 2016 18:25:29
just take it 1 game at a time, next up crystal palace, let's have revenge for that anfield defeat.


03 Mar 2016 18:38:39
We have been hard to watch at times. I'm not with this clean sheets etc stuff. I look at our goalkeeper and backline and I see major weaknesses. Klopps had injuries but it's been a hard season as expected. The only thing klopp has been truly criticised and warranted for is mignolet.


03 Mar 2016 19:01:07
I watched the match back today on MOTD. I tell you what I loved about Kloppo:

1) His burst of laughter when he said "I heard Bayern lost"- classic 2 fingered salute to Bayern 😆

2) When Milner had a shot saved at the end of a brilliant move Kloppo got up clapping with a determined look on his face followed by slapping his own leg with a passionate grimace.
As if to say 'that's what I want, that's what we're working so hard to achieve'.

You can tell this is no "stepping stone" job for him. Yes he might move on in the future, but he is putting 100% into this job and it means everything to him. I feel he is 100% committed and it's great to see.


03 Mar 2016 19:22:18
Those undermining Klopp are either BR`s apologists at the time because their darling got the boot deservedly or the ones reading the partisan hacks in the media trying to undermine him by posting pathetic statistics like win % or whatever and interviewing BR anytime they got and then twist his words as a dig on Klopp. I never doubted him and won`t until he proves me wrong, just like BR proved many of us wrong. As for Muscatred, Ed01 is right. Go watch the game again. City were so scared of getting thumped again that they played THREE DM`s and sat back, playing on the counter. They did nothing per the long punt to Aguero that cased the shot that hit the post. We were in NO danger until Mingo flew in to help them out. At that point, we chased the game and they got chances on the counter. That doesn`t mean they played better. They had and advantage and chose to defend and it backfired because we kept plugging away, never gave up and equalized. And judging by the way they got thumped last night, it shows again that Pello would be happy about one thing whn he departs this summer. He would never have to deal with LFC in the PL anymore.


03 Mar 2016 19:54:36
EMS come on mate don't play that "everyone is picking on me card" We all know you had a very public disagreement with the eds but let people express their opinion on your views without being made to feel guilty. Seano had a very valid counter argument yes we've made some improvements but using stats as you did to make your point should be questioned given the opposition. In terms of the cup final we were lucky to get to extra time and they were lucky to get to pens it's as simple as that for me.


03 Mar 2016 23:43:12
Tbh i kinda agree with Seano, i don't like it when people twist stats like politicians to suit arguments, although i do agree with your overall point.

If someone really wanted to twist stats in their favour they could say that, i think it was a few games ago ed002 said this, klopp had less points after the samr number of games as hodgson.

But using our eyes we know that is just out of context.

Within context, some players have improved and it definately isn't the hopelessness under rodgers. We've put in some class performances once every blue moon and the rest are just let down by the few. That said, the serial offenders all were brilliant last night, so maybe they can keep it up and make us eat our words, but i am not holding out much hope.

Its quite clear things are being held back by certain factors and that next season things will hopefully be very different. Its crap right now but things are on the up in the long term. I don't need any clean sheet numbers to tell me that.


04 Mar 2016 04:04:36
credit where its due for the defence when they keep clean sheets its only fair, we slag them off quick enough when they concede, the stats say only 1 goal conceded in 5, that is an improvement, also 9 scored in 2 games, i'm happy with that.


04 Mar 2016 07:51:46
Blimy, you can tell we're on a Liverpool forum. Someone points out a run that by anyones standard is good form (5 games, 11 goals, 1 conceeded) and how that involved some pretty tough games on paper, and all people can do is have a go because some number are involved. Like EMS says we aren't talking shots on target % here we're talking the basic numbers of football - balls in our net, balls in opposition net, points on the table/ progress in the cup! If you call those invalid stats and political spin then frankly I don't know how you judge success in football. Random guesswork I assume, which would explain the fear of someone pointing out a few actual measurable results.


03 Mar 2016 13:40:04
A lot of people are still questioning Klopp mainly because our record didn't improve instantly under him. However he's now had a reasonable amount of time at the club, has better players available, and has had more than 2 days of unbroken training without a game!

And here we are in our last 3 games with 9 goals scored in our last 2 premier league games (and zero conceded), 2 clean sheets in Europe and progression to the next round, and took a top team to penalties in a final. In fact in our last 5 games we've won 3 and drawn 2 (excluding the penalties) scoring 11 and only conceding 1 in that time frame! Two of those games were against Manchester City!

We got criticised for conceding too many goals and Klopp has rectified that without cutting our goals being scored.

No progress? Get out of here you pessimistic bunch ;)

Believable8 Unbelievable5

Chelsea Loanee Wants Return To Parent Club, Luck With Neville, Valverde Ends Real Madrid Speculation And More

03 Mar 2016 13:04:47
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Chelsea Loanee Wants Return To Parent Club, Luck With Neville, Valverde Ends Real Madrid Speculation And More

Believable0 Unbelievable0

03 Mar 2016 12:43:02
You've got to love Liverpool, I'd decided that 5th was an achievable target for the rest of the season but last night's (brilliant) win has just given us a glimpse at 4th again. There are a million ifs and buts so the only thing that we can do is ride it out but I'd like to entertain the fantasy for a while.

To get 4th it's not just City we have to catch, we have to outplay all the teams round us and that's what makes getting fourth still so unlikely. let's compare ourselves to the competition.

City - Contrary to what some people have posted we don't have a game in hand on City and with our poor goal difference we need to score 7 points more than them in our last 11 games. City have a stunning squad but they're in poor form and there's a slight hint that the manager situation has undermined them. In a straight race it's unlikely we'll catch them but if they stumble and we sprint it's not impossible. Arbitrarily decided final points tally - 65

Utd - Utd's low morale and injury crisis made it look like their season was over and they were ripe for the taking but an unexpected return to form and City's struggles have reignited their season and they have serious aspirations of making the top 4 again. If they continue doing well they'll be difficult to catch so we'll have to hope that their form is temporary. Arbitrarily decided final points tally - 65

West Ham - WH are one of a number of surprises this season but they mix brilliant results against the established teams with poor ones against teams you'd fancy them to beat. If we play well for the rest of the season I'd be confident that we'd overhaul them. Arbitrarily decided final points tally - 58

Stoke - Stoke are a point above us, have played one game more and have a much worse goal difference. If we do well enough to catch Utd and City we'll certainly finish above Stoke. Arbitrarily decided final points tally - 57

Saints - With our game in hand we actually have a chance to open the gap to Southampton which is a little surprising as I thought they were a decent team having a good season. We have a better squad and more to play for, I'd be disappointed if we didn't finish above them. Arbitrarily decided final points tally - 52

Chelsea - The wildcard of the teams below us. Unbeaten since Mourinho's sacking they've taken 24 points from they're last 12 games (compared to our 18). Our game in hand and 2 point cushion give us some comfort but if our and their form stays constant they may well overhaul us. Arbitrarily decided final points tally - 59

And what about us? We've had a couple of false dawns already under Klopp so I want to be careful but with our recent results there is a suggestion we could finish strongly. We still have to fight on two fronts but with our injury crisis coming to an end we may be in a position to manage that. Realistically I think we'd need around 25 points from our last 11 games to have a chance of taking fourth and that's a tall order but whilst it's in the realm of possibility it's fun to dream.

Believable7 Unbelievable5

03 Mar 2016 13:42:09
With you there, Muscat. I`s a TAL sk. But I believe if we focus on playing one game at a time without projecting (leave that to the fans to do that) as Klopp has been doing, who knows? I am impressed with the win last night. People were trying to play it down that City were not up for it after the Cup final but that is absolute nonsense. City knew they had to win to stay in the title race and got thumped for the second time by us. If we approach games with that attitude as we did with nothing to lose but all to win, again who know?


03 Mar 2016 13:49:46
good post.


03 Mar 2016 14:41:04
we have set the standard now we have to do it on a more regular basis, the players should get angry more often.


03 Mar 2016 12:42:40
i e just got some free time to come on here and i would just like to say that i don't understand the flanno situation concerning his contract, what i can't believe is and error prone gk who has cost us points and maybe the cup on sunday got a new 5 year contract where as flanno has not been given one yet and up to now i have not read anywere that there are plans to give him one, if we let flanno slip through our fingers because of this then there is something very wrong at the club because we all know flanno is a veru good right back who can also play at left back just as good as clyne did last night, the way flanno is handeling himself in this situation is also very good and should show the owners and the manager that they have a very good player and person who does not moan like sterling did who also won't let you or the team down like mingolet does and will play until he physically can't for me he has the carra mentality so come on liverpool fc give the lad a new contract because he deserves it, he deserves it more than mingolet did, we messed up letting shelvey go so we should learn from that and get him tied down on a long term contract, the only other thing which i hope is that he has been told he will get a new contract in the summer, because i'm sure he can sign a pre-contract deal with some one else on a free.

Believable2 Unbelievable9

{Ed001's Note - Shelvey was desperate to leave, and was crap, not sure how he has any relation to a player coming back from a long term injury who knows that there is a contract there when he proves his fitness and is happy with that situation. Shelvey on the other hand forced his way out because he wasn't going to get games. What is the similarity? I don't understand this love of Shelvey anyway, his only redeeming feature was his lack of need for a Halloween costume as he looks more like Voldemort than Voldemort does. Shelvey was slower than a 25 year jail stretch, with the temperament of a spoilt child who had just had their favourite toy taken off them.}

03 Mar 2016 13:44:43
Spot on, ed. I remember many saying we should have kept Shelvey and sold Hendo. Well, the facts don`t bear that out as Shelvey has actually gotten worse and the fact that he went to Newcastle where he may soon get relegated shows exactly how far he has fallen.


03 Mar 2016 13:44:43
Spot on, ed. I remember many saying we should have kept Shelvey and sold Hendo. Well, the facts don`t bear that out as Shelvey has actually gotten worse and the fact that he went to Newcastle where he may soon get relegated shows exactly how far he has fallen.


03 Mar 2016 13:25:47
Hahaha, that Voldemort crack just made me laugh out loud at my desk. You'll get me in trouble being that funny Ed1. :)


{Ed001's Note - don't worry it won't happen again.}

03 Mar 2016 13:45:14
That could be one of my favourite Ed responses of all time.

My lasting memory of Jonjo was I believe a reading game at Anfield. I may be mistaken but I think it was the game where one of the reading lads hoped off and it turned out he had broken something.

Anyway I remember Jonjo having an absolute mare and having lost the ball for like the billionth time he just looked over to the bench forlornly as if to say; help me. That was the moment I decided he just wasn't going to cut it.


03 Mar 2016 13:51:35
Still can't believe the Mignolet contract.
He must have the best agent in the business.


03 Mar 2016 14:01:48
Reading the original post and was thinking of the reply ed wrote until he got onto his appearance. Leave that to you Ed.
it's a case of, he left for first team football. Got it and has done nothing with it. Was not a stand out player at Swansea and won't be at Newcastle. Do you honestly see Shelvey at Liverpool bettering us than our current crop?


03 Mar 2016 14:43:39
what is this obsession with wanting to buy back players once they have left? they have moved on, we have moved on. end of.


03 Mar 2016 15:04:14
I have the utmost respect for the Ed's football knowledge. I totally agree with his opinions on Shelvey's ability to perform. However to mock a man for his appearance when he suffers from a condition that he has no control over, alopecia totalis - a condition I suffer from myself - is a horribly low blow and entirely unnecessary.

If that was not Ed's intention, and I truly hope it wasn't - perhaps I am just massively sensitive to this issue-, then perhaps careful with the Voldemort comments.


{Ed001's Note - it wouldn't matter if he has hair or not, it is the shape of his face that makes him look like Voldemort. Duncan Goodhew had the same thing but looks nothing like Voldemort so yes you are being oversensitive. PC gone mad again. Amazing how people lose their sense of humour when they think they might be the butt of the joke!}

03 Mar 2016 15:31:04
Ed is as bald as they come 👍🏻.


{Ed001's Note - good point!}

04 Mar 2016 07:56:38
Christ Adz28, even Shelvey enjoys a good round of 'Voldy Voldy give us a wave'!

My lasting memory of Shelvey was the first time we played against him at Swansea - 2-2, and he was heavily involved in all 4 goals!


02 Mar 2016 11:30:32
this is what markovic is capable of if he gets game time with us, while playing under BR he seemed to be constricted in his performances

goo.gl/tVvYYx

just shows what we could be missing.

Believable2 Unbelievable4

03 Mar 2016 13:46:37
You cannot be good nor improve if you are not getting games or put in situations where you can succeed. That is the fundamental job of a coach hence since BR is a pathetic and incompetent coach, players will only get worse under him and Marko who was never a crap player, just one who wasn`t ready yet, is showing that.


03 Mar 2016 14:03:36
I'm sure when I play football Tuesday and Thursday nights I can have a camera on me and get a 7 second clip of looking good. Doesn't mean I'm overpriced and should get a chance at Liverpool.


03 Mar 2016 23:25:57
To be fair Gazza, not sure if you have been scouted and deemed worth of a 7-8 figure fee!

Remember, although we appear to have massively overpaid for Marko given the stage of development he was at when we bought him, and then mistreated him by playing him sporadically and out of position, he was also on Chelsea's radar so must've been a decent prospect, and still is.

I really would like to see what he can do given a run of games in the right position with the right manager. Remains to be seen whether he is so pi55ed off with his treatment by the club that he just wants to leave. If that's the case, it will be a real shame, but understandable on his part.


03 Mar 2016 12:01:49
So, Eds. Who would you see as the kind of quality left back we need to be our new number 3? I'm not convinced Guerreiro is the answer. We need somebody first team ready that won't need to do too much adapting. Is Erkin good enough you think? Or who would you like that we can realistically get?

Thanks very much.

Believable1 Unbelievable4

{Ed001's Note - I don't know, I haven't seen anyone play consistently well at left back. I know a lot rave about Rodriguez of Wolfsburg, but every time I see him play he is awful.}

03 Mar 2016 13:08:55
It's a tricky one alright. A reliable and available, defensively sound, left-footed, left-back, who is a threat going forward. That's a pretty rare breed. I see Jetro Willems is back from injury and racking up assists already. I'll be watching all the left-backs at the Euros with interest to see who impresses and can fill the role for us.

So, Robbie Brady it is then. ;)
Or else we'll just watch Flanno develop into an Azpilicueta type.


{Ed001's Note - please God no, not Brady! Liam Brady would be better even at his age now.}

03 Mar 2016 13:13:43
Flanagan and smith i would be more then comfortable with at LB.


03 Mar 2016 13:39:52
Hahaha yeah, I was joking of course. Although, I'm Irish, so will be hoping for a good tournament from him. I
t's impossible to pick anyone now I think anyway. Willems was decent against Atletico without being very good. But he's not match fit yet, so we'll see how he gets on at the Vicente Calderón.

Or else we just wait for Phil Babb and Djimi Traoré's love child to come of age. :)


03 Mar 2016 13:39:52
Hahaha yeah, I was joking of course. Although, I'm Irish, so will be hoping for a good tournament from him. I
t's impossible to pick anyone now I think anyway. Willems was decent against Atletico without being very good. But he's not match fit yet, so we'll see how he gets on at the Vicente Calderón.

Or else we just wait for Phil Babb and Djimi Traoré's love child to come of age. :)


03 Mar 2016 13:48:48
I would switch Flanno or Clyne there while Smith learns the game because at least, Flanno can defend excellently why Clyne is not that bad at defending either. Moreno? He needs to get shot of because even I can defend better than him.


03 Mar 2016 14:06:52
I think he's already at the club in Brad Smith. Flannagan and Smith to fight it out. Gomez is a possibility also.


03 Mar 2016 14:53:13
Flanno? He beasted it before his injury, sure he can do so again. He's a surprisingly accomplished player, really neat in possession, reads the game well - he isn't a fashionable name and he isn't going to skin 3 people down the wing, but he does everything important well.


03 Mar 2016 19:28:37
KK gets the credit for getting us Flanno. He gave him his debut vs wait for it, City in 2011 and had a blinder in a game we thrashed them 3-0 with AC scoring twice. From that moment, I knew this kid was legit and hasn`t lost a step even after 20 months out with injury. Take a bow, son.


03 Mar 2016 23:28:03
I agree with the above. I don't think we need to panic buy at LB, with Smith a natural in that position, albeit still with stuff to learn, and Flanno, Clyne and Gomez all having played in the position with success in the past.


04 Mar 2016 06:21:28
Bring back Paul Konchesky - anyone got his mum's number?


03 Mar 2016 12:15:13
Does anyone else see Can as a potential future captain?
Granted he's still a rough diamond but he shows all the attributes to progress to be something special and his maturity on the field at just 22 is outstanding.

Believable4 Unbelievable6

03 Mar 2016 12:28:06
Vice captain, after flanno :)


03 Mar 2016 12:29:08
Finally not just me sees it I absolutely love the guy just he's inconsistent but he will get better.


03 Mar 2016 13:41:11
He missed a penalty in the semi against Stoke so definite "no"


03 Mar 2016 13:41:11
He missed a penalty in the semi against Stoke so definite "no"


03 Mar 2016 13:50:27
Can plays with a fire in his belly due to his German culture and Turkish roots. That`s a guy I want on my team any day. Captain? Slow your roll, mates. I wouldn`t go that far.


03 Mar 2016 14:08:54
Henderson is only 25 himself. not even had a full season as captain yet and with Gerrard returning I would bet my bottom dollar he over shadowed Hendo on certain club matters.


03 Mar 2016 14:48:25
as ed 001 has said if he grabs the game by the scruff of the neck more often he would be even better, i'm a big fan of can, I look forward to him improving under jurgen klopp, at least he is finally playing in midfield.


03 Mar 2016 15:23:45
I like Can could certainly see him as a possible future Capitano! But i also could see Flanno there. Only time will tell!


03 Mar 2016 19:56:17
He missed a penalty against stoke but then grabbed the ball for the very first penalty against city and calmly slotted it away. So I don't get you're point to be honest Ron.


03 Mar 2016 23:29:55
I am pretty certain that Ron was being sarcastic, Griff.

I know its the lowest form of wit, but the poor chap has got to start somewhere ;-)


03 Mar 2016 10:00:44
Hi ed. {Ed033's note - we have a contact form at the bottom of this page for queries

Believable0 Unbelievable2

03 Mar 2016 11:53:23
"After a discussion he asked to add another bidder to the list: "[There was] a young man from the Middle East whom I met with a number of times who, as he was making an offer, his father died and the family estate went into probate and it was tied up and they didn't get out until after.

"[He] was an avid fan [who] has his own beautifully equipped tent, which I saw, that had a channel exclusively for Liverpool and an appointment every Monday with a psychiatrist if Liverpool lost, and he was from one of the wealthiest families in the world and he was dead serious, and then his father passed away. "

Part of the Daily Mirrors article. Wonder how true it is.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

03 Mar 2016 12:29:36
A fan in the Middle East who watches every single game who needs psychiatric help?
Can only be our very own ed001 lol.


{Ed001's Note - sadly I am not from one of the wealthiest families in the world. The tent and psychiatric help does sound like me though.....}

03 Mar 2016 11:44:21
I think benteke is the only proper no9 in the team. To me he is skilful player who has just lost touch and to me he is certainly better than balo and caroll. (big money signings) .

If you look at the goals he scored at the start of the season, you can certainly see his desire.

I would suggest klopp to fix this somehow and get him up and running, so that we can save some $$ and have a core of young strikers in ben, origi, ings, firmino.

I have not counted sturridge though.

To me ings, sturridge, origi and firmino are similar players as they have played in different positions, wing. no10 and now striker roles.

That may be why they are good at stretching defense. Benteke is old no :9 who can finish things off with proper service.

Now most of our attackers have improved and its best time to put this guy in action.

Believable0 Unbelievable5

{Ed001's Note - would it not be better to save money by selling him and not paying his wages? As you point out we have Origi, Ings, Firmino and Sturridge so don't need him.}

03 Mar 2016 12:16:14
True Ed, Apart from sturridge no one has scored more than 15 goals in BPL for liverpool.

Sturridge has spent more time in treatment table. Then you look at origi who is raw. Ings not yet started his career with liverpool.

Then you have firmino who scored 7 goals till now and inconsistent but skilfull.

Benteke has been consistent goal scorer for last 2 years in premier league. He was very good in previous league as well. He is then main man in Belgium Squad.

Scored (6) individual goals I will say in the start of the season. overhead kick beating de gea was priceless.

He certainly went missing in last games under klopp and missed sitters.

If Lovren can improve, then this guy can also do. He is still young and has remained healthy than other strikers.

If comes good, we can bang on him for many more years.


03 Mar 2016 12:04:31
there will come to a point where the player himself has to get himself up and running. look at balotelli for example.


03 Mar 2016 12:18:18
If it's as simple as suggesting Klopp fix it then I suggest he fixes all of our players so we can save a bucket load of cash by not having to buy anyone in summer because Klopp has fixed them all.
How would you suggest he fixes Benteke? The player does not fit into the style of play the manager demands.


03 Mar 2016 12:31:50
I must have missed ben scoring 15 goals for lpool. I've seen him miss a few handy 1vs1, he did it wit a team where he was the main man with direct (possibly route 1) football not our style he needs to be a big fish small pond sell him i thinks.


03 Mar 2016 13:56:01
Benteke may have been a big fish in a small pond but we`ve seen such players elevate their game when they come to LFC or to the PL. Suarez was a big fish in a small pond at Ajax and was inconsistent when he first arrived here. He had to pull his socks up, work hard on his game and his weaknesses, a work ethic that made his teammates better like Sterling, Coutinho, Studge and even made SG look like a genius. Now he`s one of the best players if not the best CF in the world. That was all down to his work ethic. That attitude is what Benteke is lacking and if he can`t be bothered then, NOBODY not even Klopp, can 'fix" him, whatever the heck that means.


03 Mar 2016 14:54:41
when the manager who sees the players more than we do turns to origi instead of bentenke its obvious where big bens future lies, why does origi get the nod, simple klopp knows that origi will follow the game plan, put himself about create space for others and as been said will run himself into the ground for the team. That cannot be said for bentenke i'm afraid, best all round for him and us to separate come may.


03 Mar 2016 19:33:38
Divvy is a joy to watch, not because he`s the best player on the pitch. It is because he is eager to learn, fight and run himself into the ground just to help the team. He`s raw and talented but is improving in every game. That perfect hatrick he scored vs Saints let me know that if he`s willing to learn and work hard under a coach like Klopp who wanted to sign him at BVB, he will be a beast.


03 Mar 2016 11:33:42
What I understood from last game was that, its all down tp player mentality, which is costing us points.

We certainly have quality, yesterday players wanted to give mcity beating due to cup final and they did it in style.

I also see lot of c.

Believable3 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 11:46:32
Yeah I think mentality has a lot to do with it actually.
The players should have that revenge/ aggressive/ I'm going to absolutely tear you apart attitude every match.


03 Mar 2016 13:57:39
Klopp is no Mr Nice guy and I hope he instills a mean streak and nastiness to this squad because in the end, that is what has plagued us this season. Teams don`t outplay us. They outwork and outfight us which is disheartening to see.


03 Mar 2016 14:58:11
I think redohio that result last night did klopp and the players the world of good, it shows what can happen when you have fire in your belly, you are so right about klopp, you can tell he has that nasty, ruthless streak about him. maybe the penny has dropped to the players that they are fighting for there futures, which is also a good thing.


03 Mar 2016 19:51:14
Spot on, KK. As a player, you have to be afraid to lose your job to another player so with Klopp, there will be no favorites. if you can`t hack it, you`ll be gone. Ask Benteke how that is working out for him right now.


03 Mar 2016 11:28:37
A shame about Joao Texeira as I thought that he had a future with us but whose name now must be added to Suso and Dani Pacheco as players that we wasted. It must be hard for young players not getting game time dispite players in their position under performing.

Believable8 Unbelievable2

03 Mar 2016 11:47:19
Would you drop coutinho for him?


03 Mar 2016 12:28:28
Based on the last 5 performances of both players Mikey? Yes I would. I would also drop Milner for him and play him cutting in from the wing.


03 Mar 2016 12:34:23
When he's inconsistent yes makes it a food rivalry.


03 Mar 2016 14:06:20
i love how every fan all seem to know better than the coaches that work with him daily whether he is good enough.


{Ed001's Note - has it not already been proven that fans do know better than the coaches that were working with him, ie Rodgers?}

03 Mar 2016 14:10:40
Hijkle, you are talking nonsense. Tex is a good young player but to drop him for coutinho is absolute bullocks. What has Tex done to earn that? 5 games were he was decent and not spectacular? My friend, you must be joking.


03 Mar 2016 15:28:38
If Tex isn't going to be getting the game time he probably is looking for somewhere he will get it. I like him, but it's hard to see him getting game time really atm. It's a shame and Suso still to this day annoys me but sometimes the players need to leave for their own development. His injury put him further back so what he needs is week in week out game time.


04 Mar 2016 07:57:50
redohio - what exactly has Coutinho done to earn his place? Yes he's the better player but he's clearly not in form so why doesn't another good player get a chance?


03 Mar 2016 11:02:02
Here are my views. we all know that our players are good players but sometimes we miss something, like belief. When we play aggresive and don't complicate we play better. I will give some of the positives of the last match: John Flanagan (what a player) - we need him, he will make mistakes but he will fight back, he will bite for our club and he plays it simple. flanno thumb up

Lallana-our best player last night, was our best player against leichester when we lost and games before this last injury (norwich goal) -really growing under klopp i just hope he can do it wee and week out

firmino- looks like really intelligent player, hardworking with good movement

emre can-he just needs time, personally thought he can never be good enough midfielder but i think i'm wrong, every game he learns something new. still lot to learn but he is klopp favourite

and dejan lovren- after all the critics he play some good simple football. too bad for the injuries i have a feeling klopp rates him so maybe rushed him back to early last time. good on the ball winning air duels and keeping it simple.

Believable4 Unbelievable0

03 Mar 2016 11:57:18
Flanagan was great last night, battered Sterling early doors and set the tone for the team, did the basics well and got forward well too.

Ive been critical of Lallana but he had a great game. Good movement, made things tick, great goal and was involved in all our best attacking play.


03 Mar 2016 12:37:54
Only thing I didn't like is ^^^ about Emre I haven't seen a player that strong in a long time also that brave with doing and trying things he's young and new to the league give him time he will improve he has so much to offer as a box to box player.


03 Mar 2016 14:13:10
Flanno is old school. A "The ball passes the man does not" type defender that will always have my vote. If Can is able to figure things out and improve, he will be a beast of a player.


03 Mar 2016 15:31:34
If Can keeps working hard he will grow into such a beast! Flanno i rated highly so much before he got injured. He is a boss. Also i really am not a fan of Lallana but credit he was great last night and was the difference for us winning. We do it a lot where we lack that little finishing touch in the final 3rd and last night AL provided that and to be fair to Jimmy Milns he looked pretty good and took the goal really well!

More like that please boys!


03 Mar 2016 10:46:04
Its always diffucult to say but was just wondering where everyone think we will finish in table this season i think 5th myself.

Believable2 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 12:30:48
Pretty much every team seems to be fighting for the 4 places above and below their current position.


03 Mar 2016 15:00:51
6th is looking the more likely tbh, I would love us to put a winning run together and see where that takes us, esp with this league being so unpredictable.


03 Mar 2016 09:48:46
After all the ups and downs this season
Bodgers gone
Klopp in
Squad playing style revamped ( ish ) to accommodate some 😉
Drama of the home cup competitions
Still in Euopa league 😬
Put 7 past city in 2 league games amongst others
Not playing to our full potential for many many reasons

We now find ourselves 6 pts behind 4th spot with a game in hand

Who would have thought this in late October when there was a lot of doom and gloom

Honestly would really love that 4th spot
( achievable)

But if we can get a decent run now going for the rest of the season God knows what could happen after the Copa America and the Euros this summer

Already looking forward to next season with glee 😁😁😁

Oh before I forget
That performance last night was far from perfect in certain areas but have to hand it to the players who have been slated early on this season as they really stepped up to the mark last night and the supporters were unbelievable last night as well

Well done looking forward to the rest of the season now in real hope for a nail biting finish

Would really top it off if Spurs were to grab the title they have being struggling for years because of moving on their best players but just goes to show what a good coach like klopp and Co. Can achieve with just an average squad of players and with guardiola with city nxt season should make for another nail biter when that comes around

Ps
Delighted the way the players responded last night after Sunday and if your reading this mr. Klopp

Take heed

Jon Flano is the best full back we have by miles just hope he can stay fit and continue to improve

Great performance delighted.

Believable6 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 10:20:02
Oh dear god no, I hope anyone else wins it other than Spurs (or Utd) . My Dad and Sister are Spurs supporters and I'd never hear the end of it if they win the Prem before us!

Come on Leicester! :-)


03 Mar 2016 10:38:23
Yes one of my work associates is a Spurs fan and I really don't like this guy at all. It would be a painful summer if they win.
Still, IF they win it they deserve it, they've been very good this season without spending billions on players.


03 Mar 2016 10:51:47
Lots of people, including Transition, have written off our league performance this season several times.
It's easy to do and I don't really blame fans for doing it but for those who used to watch "Saint and Greavsie" on ITV on a Saturday we were constantly fed the mantra "Football is a funny ole game Saint, it's a funny ole game".
And he was right, it is, and strange results do happen.

I will always expect LFC to roll over every team we face because I KNOW we can do it. When we don't I'm gutted but also know the next win might only be 90 minutes of football away so I try not to write off the season.

This season, I still expect us to win every game, but if we don't I understand the reasons and realise we are making progress. We had gone completely stale under the last regime. We were a million miles away from gubbing teams like City, Chelsea, Saints even Villa. Now we are starting to show we can do it. Belief and confidence will grow we need to hold our nerve, invest a little more time in the players who are here but have disappointed and keep our transfer targets to quality over quantity. Small cumulative gains!

Final point - well played Adam Lallana. I've given this lad some stick and mocked his 'Cryuff turning' ways 😃, but I said this week. Kloppo likes him and with his work ethic and obvious technical ability he could just turn his LFC career round. More of the same please.


03 Mar 2016 14:16:01
Top post, Ron! With you all the way, mate.


03 Mar 2016 15:03:12
loved watching saint and greavsie, shame both guys have suffered health problems in later life.


{Ed001's Note - I see Greavsie is in a wheelchair now, shame I loved Saint and Greavsie too. It was essential viewing when I was a kid.}

03 Mar 2016 15:46:39
Gota love Rons positivity we need more supporters like you mate 👍🏻.


Liverpool Left Back Strength Review

03 Mar 2016 09:49:53
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool Left Back Strength Review

Believable0 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 03:08:33
Ed02
You told me to ask again so here goes. I'm really interested in your opinion on the differences in transfer dealings between CFC and LFC. Again you seem to prefer CFC methods. And from what I have read they seem to be more respected throughout Europe. I wanted your reasons why. And finally if you think LFC can do better business.

Appreciate it
Matt.

Believable0 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure what you expect compared in terms of transfer dealings. It is certainly true that Liverpool has overspent on some players but I suspect it is something else you want compared. You will need to be more specific.}

03 Mar 2016 09:31:12
Arguably the best performance of the season.
Next up is crystal palace - who are a club i want us to beat and our recent results against them are woeful. however if we can pull off a performance somewhat close to yesterdays we will win against them.

some fans are vary of Manchester united's form but i for one feel Klopp has a personal agenda here and he wants to beat them badly. he wasnt satisfied with the way they ran away with a result at anfield earlier this season and i am pretty sure he won't let them have anything like that again. Manchester united have no chance in gods heaven if we play like we did against city against them.

Believable3 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 15:05:13
he wanted them in the draw akshit, you are right he is fired up for that one, going to be 2 very interesting matches.


03 Mar 2016 09:01:15
Football can be so strange. In most games this season we were so wasteful, scoring one goal from 6-7 clear cut chances. and then in several games - the two league games against City, the last game against Vila and the one agaisnt Southampon in the league cup, every time we went forward we scored a goal from half a chance.

And the players who scored yesterday, Lallana, Milner, even Firmino, were always at the top of those missing good chances. Milner and Lallana in particular always shoot straight at the keeper or way wide. And suddenly two accurate finishes (Milner in particular was top class finish) . and without Sturridge and Couts ont he pitch. strange.

Believable2 Unbelievable4

03 Mar 2016 10:07:36
Maybe we are too reliant on couts and studge when they are both on the pitch and always look to play them in, and that inhibits the other players from attempting something themselves. Last night they seemed to play with a lot more freedom, which would have given them a lot more confidence in their own ability.


03 Mar 2016 15:08:33
to move forward as a team we need to be confident we can get a result regardless of who is starting, that's the mistake these idiot pundits make, look at a team sheet and decide before kick off you have no chance, when our top players are out its up to those playing to take there chance, like they did last night.


03 Mar 2016 08:47:23
For me it was a great performance last night, but the most noticeable thing was how the defence kept their shape and played as a unit mainly due to how Flanno and Clyde performed. At last we have a defender who can defend playing. Say no more.

Believable5 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 09:42:34
You could argue Moreno is 4th choice left back.
Smith, flanno and Gomez are all arguably better, and all cost pennies compared to Moreno.


03 Mar 2016 11:19:53
Considering our lack of wide players and the priority for signing a left-sided one, would anyone fancy seeing Moreno played as a left-winger? In front of Clyney or Flanno?


03 Mar 2016 15:09:33
the only trouble is his final ball is awfull.


03 Mar 2016 15:49:01
If Moreno worked on his final ball, there is a possibility i think of him being capable to play on the wing.


03 Mar 2016 08:10:31
What a performance last night, more of that please!

The main problems this season under Klopp has been inconsistency and loads of injuries. Add to that not having a preseason and players who clearly were not up to scratch when it came to fitness. Biggest issue is having no recognised striker available. Benteke never going to fit in and cannot see him even making the bench when Ings is back.

The other thing that is clear is our squad needs to be trimmed and we need some quality additions to take us to the next step. Quality over quantity. With Klopp he has proven at Dortmund that you do not have to pay an arm and leg for quality players. The downfall for many of the players signed in recent times at LFC has been the ridiculous transfer fees paid for them. Take for instance Markovic, we paid way too much for him and the expectation for him to deliver may very well have spelled the end of him at LFC. Also not giving him a chance to shine as a forward added to his miserable time at Anfield. What I am hoping for is he is given another chance under Klopp.

Firmino is another player we paid too much for but he has really kicked on under Klopp and for me our best player this season.

Let's see if the players can now find some consistency and put in a strong finish for the remainder of thee season. Not expecting us to finish top 4 but we are only 6 points off 4th with a game in hand. City also have a game in hand but they are crumbling at the moment. 4th very unlikely but last season UTD finished on 70 points in 4th and at the rate 4th spot is going this season it is looking like the total points required to finish 4th will be less than 70 this season. All we can do at this point is dream.

Believable1 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 10:25:56
We sont have a game on hand on 4th but agree in general. City have Newcastle as a catch up game.


03 Mar 2016 07:14:15
So we are 6 points behind Utd with a game in hand, city are 10 points behind Leicester with s game in hand and pelligrini thinks they can still win the league . Any reason we can't finish 4th?
Massive performance last night . Thought Kolo was quality and do think he could do with another contract . Selling skrtel and making some money out of that deal as Kolo woke probably go for free . Can was quality the bloke has a bigger engine than Henderson . Never seems to tire . Origi is such a menace for defenders never stops moving and him and firminho together his red thier defenders all night . Loved flan is first tackle on sterling . Think that was sterling out of the game from them onwards . Happy today .
YNWA
Jamesee.

Believable7 Unbelievable2

03 Mar 2016 07:26:05
Oh my god I should have read through my original post . My spelling is terrible .
Sorry
Jamesee.


03 Mar 2016 07:52:36
Because city are 4th not United. I know they are level, but they also have a game in hand, and are more likely to catch up on Leicester than drop more points than us. It's not out the question but there's still West Ham, United, stole and city to catch. It's a lot to do!


03 Mar 2016 11:41:03
We just need to concentrate on our games and pick up results. Anything can happen. City or Arsenal might completely implode.


03 Mar 2016 15:50:29
Arsenal and City have looked Shaky, we will have to see! It would be great to get top 4 and we also have Europa :)


03 Mar 2016 06:55:27
Morning eds, just wondered your thoughts, do u think klopp will keep benteke next season 2 c if he can adapt to his style, or do u think klopp will sell him? If he does sell him will they buy another striker or will they go with ings, sturridge and origi and may b buy a winger? Also can u see markovic returning or do u think they will sell him?! Thanx.

Believable0 Unbelievable3

{Ed001's Note - I expect Klopp to look to sell Benteke, but not to replace him unless some gem becomes available. Markovic is likely to leave but it is not certain yet.}

03 Mar 2016 07:11:07
Thanxs 4 the reply. Can u c us bringing in a winger? Also what posistion do u think we will buy 4.


{Ed001's Note - I believe Klopp wants some more wide options yes. Goalkeeper and left back.}

03 Mar 2016 07:19:24
Do u think it will b right wing they look at or both sides. Think coutinho done good on the left but rather c him in the 10 role tbh.


{Ed001's Note - I really don't think it works like that, we will want someone capable of playing both sides, but priority is the left.}

03 Mar 2016 07:31:21
Can u see courinho moving central in the 10 role n firminho as the striker if they get a left winger.


{Ed001's Note - depends on the system we play. It won't be one tactic and one system each and every week.}

03 Mar 2016 07:39:30
4-2-3-1 looks like he been favouring in recent weeks also the 4-3-3.


{Ed001's Note - 4-4-2 surely? We have been playing a variant of that, not a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Firmino has been up top alongside Sturridge or Origi.}

03 Mar 2016 08:00:04
Oh ok thought it was more of a 4-2-3-1 tbh with firmino behind in the 10 role am properly rong.


{Ed001's Note - it depends on how you view it I guess, but I don't see any difference in how we play to a 4-4-2, but that is not fashionable to say. Firmino is playing as a striker.}

03 Mar 2016 08:08:06
Yeah i knw what u mean. wot do u think of the diamond formation i think it wrks 4 our players.


{Ed001's Note - not for me, I like the system we are currently using as it is the most flexible and balanced.}

03 Mar 2016 09:52:23
Hi ed001.
Do you see buying a left back a priority?
I mean we have Smith, flanno, Gomez and Moreno on the books, surely we can go into next season without buying?
I know there are issues with all 4 players (young and raw, coming back from injury X2 and inconsistent and always out of position) but if we rotate we can pick whoevers on form.
Or do you think Klopp wants a consistent performer?
I fear if we buy in this position now it limits the development of smith, Gomez and flanno.


{Ed001's Note - we have to prioritise it, Gomez is a centre back, Flanno is a right back and Smith is one player, you can't go through a season with one left back. Moreno needs to go, he has shown he does not have the intelligence to reach the level we need.}

03 Mar 2016 10:18:56
Yeah I reluctantly agree with you ed, let's hope whoever is bought does the job finally.
Just a shame as I had high hopes for Moreno.


{Ed001's Note - me too, I knew he had defensive issues, but I thought he would learn, but he has learnt how to be worse rather than better!}

03 Mar 2016 05:54:36
Great game last night, we need to start more games with this intensity.

I think this was one of Lallana's best games in a Liverpool shirt. Few more games like this and he is definitely staying.

Milner was good and I have been noticing that he is getting marginally better each game. He needs to work on his crosses, apart from that he is good.

Firminho was excellent, I just love this guy.

Can and Hendo controlled the midfield.

Defence was also airtight bar a few chances which are bound to happen in any game.

Now I want to wipe that smirk off Alan Pardew's face.

YNWA.

Believable11 Unbelievable1

03 Mar 2016 07:14:21
Thought Henderson played better than he has for some time, and look forward to him getting back to his best.
Have to agree about Pardew too, can't stand the guy, and we owe Palace a good beating!


03 Mar 2016 14:25:55
There are two managers I cannot stand and they are Pulis and Pardew and I hope we give them the business on Sunday.


03 Mar 2016 15:52:32
Henderson looked a lot better. I Like him but been critical when he gets the ball in space if no opposition comes to close him, He doesn't bring the ball up and force a defender to come to him he stands there a lot of the time and looks for a pass. However yesterday he looked much better going forward!


03 Mar 2016 03:13:20
ed 1 if you could be so kind to give me your views on the win against man city please mate, I work nights so I don't get to see midweek games, so far from what I've heard it was excellent, also if you could let me know your thoughts on the performances of lallana and Flanagan that would be great, the general view on lallana being it was one of his best games for us. Lastly is this more like the type of performance klopp wants from his team? thanks ed.

Believable3 Unbelievable1

{Ed001's Note - I was really pleased, I don't expect them to win each week, but I do expect the players to treat a defeat as a kick up the arse and play better in the next game and they did that. City were not so much poor as just unable to live with us, we were right in their faces and swarming them in possession. They were unable to cope with it at all.

By the way, that was how Klopp had Dortmund pressing, with the whole team pushing onto the opposition and challenging them to be good enough to find a way out of the press, which City just couldn't.

The best thing was to see the more maligned players, those who have been poor more often than not, step up and give Klopp food for thought. Lallana and Milner were excellent, along with Can they were very real MOTM candidates. There were just a few times Lallana held on to the ball too long, but, in the main, he was incisive and moved the ball quickly. Even the couple of times he did hold on too long it was while he was moving forward at pace, rather than the usual problem, which is that he does so while farting about twisting and turning pretty much on the spot. At least he was being a very real danger to their defence.

Milner's crossing let him down a few times, but he was everywhere and finally looknig to provide the workrate and quality we should be able to expect from him regularly. His passing was good, he was constantly involved in the build up and chasing round breaking up their attacks. He played well last night and has been getting better and better since Klopp came in.

Emre Can, though he had a couple of lapses in giving the ball away, was excellent. He was central to everything, both attacking and defesnsively. He actually took the game by the scruff of the neck and went and won it, rather than let the game come to him.

Clyne was solid, provided an option constantly, but was always supporting the attacks, rather than being the main focal point, which meant he was not leaving the huge gaps in defence that Moreno leaves. I am not convinced he is a long term answer there, but he can certainly cover the left back role in time of need. He was very good last night, though he was lucky to be up against Navas, who is hopeless other than being quick, he still maintained his focus and positioning.

It was so good to see the Scouse Cafu back starting, it wasn't the best of games from him, partially because he set the bar so high before his injury. He was solid defensively and made a few excellent defensive interceptions and tackles. It says a lot that City took off Sterling at half time, as he got little change out of Flanno at all.

Toure was excellent, I can't think of anything to criticise in his performance, and Aguero will probably be able to count on the fingers of one hand the amount of times a defender handles him so easily in the future.

Lovren did sell himself at one point, which allowed Aguero a run one on one at Toure at one point, then, straight after, as he was recovering and trying to get back, the ball was played to him only for him to make a rash pass which played us into trouble. All of that stemmed from a rash attempt at a challenge he did not need to make. Other than that though, he was also very good last night, commanding, solid and composed on the ball.

I know Henderson gets a lot of stick on these pages, but he was quietly effective once more, made some great incisive passes, closed the opposition down and kept the players going all night. Along with Can, he completely controlled the midfield.

Firmino I thought was really good, he gave Kompany and Otamendi nightmares with his constant movement and runs in behind them. He does get caught offside a fair bit, but I made a point of watching him and his runs are from deep, he is letting the man on the ball know he is making a run, but the pass is being delayed and that leads to him being offside. It is as much the fault of the guy on the ball as it is him. They just need to play it quicker, as they did for his goal. His movement and touch is fantastic. He is quick, bright and never gives their players a minute's peace to catch their breath.

Origi, well I am really beginning to take ot Divvy, he is raw but clearly talented, he is constantly looking to stretch the defence, which meant we were able to take control of the ball further up the field, as Kompany and Otamendi were loath to step up. The runs of Firmino and pace and power of Origi kept them forced back for most of the game.

I have deliberately not mentioned Migs, as he really had little to do, so it is impossible to judge him, but at least he did not give them a goal start! So that is a forward step at least.

Subs:
Ibe had little time to make an impression and did his usual of not attacking the defence with pace. He needs to frighten them with a burst on to the ball at a sprint to create the space in future to take the ball and look around for better options.

Benteke came on and got involved, won a few free kicks, but was unable to really do much as we were using him more as a pivot to run off and he was picking up the fouls rather than playing in the runs. It would be nice to see if he could have played in runners without the fouls.

Allen came on and did his usual when he comes on, runs around everywhere and gets fully involved making a nuisance of himself to the opposition. He seems to be very well suited to the sub's role. He has an effect, especially in a game like last night with opponents who wanted a break and got none.

All in all, this is the Klopp way, we need to see it regularly now.}

03 Mar 2016 05:13:43
Firmino and Milner has certainly stepped up over the last couple of months, and I thought Emre Can was brilliant today, using his physicality effectively and nullified Silva.


03 Mar 2016 05:41:00
Nice reply ED but the most important thing is that this performance should not be a one off and if we play with this mentality and commitments in our future games may be we can clinch the title who knows.


{Ed001's Note - very true. What it has shown is exactly what Leicester are also showing. It is not just about spending money, if we spend well and play with desire and effort, then we can win things.}

03 Mar 2016 06:23:08
Personally I can't wait to see ings get his chance next season, and like ed says origi looks like he's going to be a useful player.


{Ed001's Note - Ings will suit this system down to the ground. Hopefully he will be chomping at the bit to get out there by the time he is fit and comes out flying.}

03 Mar 2016 06:33:43
Agree with pretty much all the sentiments here - was an excellent game, full of vigour and more importantly the players looked like they really wanted it, they didn't really stop working for the entire 90 and that ultimately made the difference as City just could not get into a rhythm. Really pleasing stuff - we need to do this consistently now - we've had a number of good games/ results but then went and spoiled it by being lacklustre and off the pace a few weeks later - hopefully we can maintain this sort of energy, game after game. If we do we'll start to pick up far more wins.

I'm still rather nervous about the United game - as bad as they are they just seem to find ways to win despite being terrible - if we don't let the occasion get to us we should do well.


03 Mar 2016 06:58:19
Great review Ed, for me lallana's best game, Milner was awesome and fired up, I really loved Can and Origi's performances.

Can manages to get in the way of players and either wins possession or draws the foul; for me if he can become consistent he has it all (technical ability, pace, power, passing, tackiline etc. ) .

Origi puts himself about and although raw offered the team so much last night without getting on the score sheet.

If we can play like that more often then we won't need to many new faces in the summer (especially with Gomez and Ings coming back) .

We still need to trim the squad but that should allow us to buy quality rather than quantity.


{Ed001's Note - Can was particularly impressive but I agree, Lallana and Milner both had their best games in a Liverpool shirt last night.}

03 Mar 2016 07:02:29
great review of the game ed, i was not able to watch live only highlights so great read mate.


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, sorry you missed it though, it was a great team performance. Team being the key word, as they worked well together.}

03 Mar 2016 07:10:31
Great performance by the lads last night! Extremely proud of them. But the key will be to ensure such performances are more frequent than not. Klopp needs to use preseason very effectively to build stamina and team understanding to allow the players to deliver such performances week in week out. Lallana was a big plus, so was Milner and Can. Consistency is the key, and with 3-4 quality signings we will be right up there with the best hopefully.


03 Mar 2016 07:18:42
Really pleased with last night and happy for Lalana as he needed a good performance. I thought Lovren also looked composed next to Toure and gave us more stability than Sakho, this was probably also enhanced by Moreno not being on the pitch, but we certainly looked a lot less fragile at the back.
I think over 2 legs we will beat united we just need to continue with this intensity and make it a permanent feature in our performances.


03 Mar 2016 07:19:02
Great review ed and yep judas was in flannos pocket.


03 Mar 2016 08:01:13
Origi had the right ideas, always looking to go forward, and not afraid to shoot. Such s crucial part for a young striker, especially seeing as benteke can't grasp it, he seems a perfect third choice next year, strong big and quick, can operate out wide or alone striker.


03 Mar 2016 14:37:11
thanks for the reply ed001, detailed as always, let's hope for more of the same.


{Ed001's Note - you are welcome mate, sorry it took a while to reply.}

03 Mar 2016 15:15:15
no apology needed mate. thanks as always.


03 Mar 2016 15:56:43
Hendo has been poor a few games but you could argue just coming back from injury, played great i thought last night. and Divock holds the ball up really well! Agree with Eds1 on Ibe sometimes he needs to just burst in with pace! Though i still think he can do that job, just needs to get his head down and blitz down the wing.


03 Mar 2016 02:57:09
41points. Yay. We're officially safe from relegation. Haa.

Believable8 Unbelievable0

02 Mar 2016 23:09:04
Ed2 seen us getting linked with goretzka of schalke again. Would they be open too a bid in the summer?

Believable0 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool? Are you sure?}

 
Change Consent