Liverpool Banter Archive March 03 2012

 

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03 Mar 2012 23:48:35
Well, well, well, surprise, surprise, some so called fans back on here slagging the manager, the players because we lost today. No real shock there as they are probably the same fans who were on last week saying how great Kenny is and how good the team is.

Overall today we WERE the better team, we missed penatly, hit the woodwork twice, and Kelly's sitter (how?). The game should have been dead and burried at by half time.

As many of you know I am a regular poster on this site. Yes I do support Kenny and HIS/MY team and for those who wonder, yes I do have a season ticket and have done for 35+years. I even manage to take my 11 year old son to games occasionally, today being one of them, I have advised him that following the reds means days like last week and also days like today, which he understands and appreciates.

I have said before this is a work in progress and until it settles/develops we are going to get results like today. To all those who come on and moan about, half time fights, players not good enough ask yourselves one question - how did you feel last Sunday at around 7.00pm? I know how I felt, I also know how my son felt and that seeing that makes me believe we are on the right track.

I have said this before, if all you want to do is slag the manager and the players, then seriously do me a favour and f*** off!

Moaning/slagging for the sake of it or because, god forbid, Sky infuence what you think/expect, does NOT help anyone. I believe we have a song that emphasis what we are/believe in, it goes a bit like this..When you walk through a storm...........TMac

What TMac said ^^^^

Matt S - YNWA

Too right I couldn't agree more, hold your head up high

Nice ont TMac.

Ozone

 

 

03 Mar 2012 23:36:53
Eds - I heard Steven Gerrard say last week that he would rather win the carling cup than finish 4th for SELFISH reasons. The key word being 'selfish'. I can't stand fans coming on here and posting that they would rather win the carling or FA cup. Its an absurd statement to make. Would they rather we were akin to Aston Villa, stuck in mid table mediocrity, hoping to pull off a cup run? Wake up people its the premier league era! Ill make it simple: 4th = Champs league money = Investment = Challenging for titles. Also getting 4th spot means you get a chance to win Europes Elite cup competition. I know which Cup i would pick each time. So fans stop spouting rubbish about rather winning the carling or FA cup. Thanks El Pistolero {Ed001's Note - sorry but there is nothing absurd about wanting to win trophies rather than the mediocrity of a 4th place finish.}

So you are doubting the SECOND best palyer ever to wear a red shirt? f*** me you must be a good palyer if what Stevie says don't matter! - TMac

So honestly Ed; For the next few seasons years you would swap playing in the champions league for a few carling cups? The owners target for this season was clear, a 4th place finish, not the carling cup. I think we all know that if Kenny doesn't deliver that next season he will be out of a job, carling cup or no carling cup. I think that clearly outlines which is more important, whathever opinion people may have! El Pistolero {Ed001's Note - yes, I want to see us win trophies, not finish midtable and celebrate it because we have got into some imbecilic European tournament called 'Champions League' despite less than half of the entrants being any kind of champions. If second is nowhere, then where the hell is 4th? It is mediocrity, at its best.}

As long as we pick up cups , and improve each season , we should be happy , everything is judged in 1 or 1 and a half seasons , this is madness , fergie over at utd would be sacked in modern day football , give kk time , if we see where we need to improve , do you not think he does not see it , support the side, manager , club though the building process..............lfc

OK ED, you may think the champions league is 'imbecilic'. However don't you concede it is absolutley necessary for us to particpate in it every year, just so we can keep up both financially and in terms of player recruitment? So we can challenge for the premier league which, surely you must agree, is the most important trophy of them all. El Pistolero {Ed001's Note - nope, because winning trophies increases the fanbase, increases sales of merchandise and so brings more money to improve the club's footing financially and would allow us to challenge for the Prem without the added pressure of the Champions League. You might gain short term from participation, but it offers nothing long term other than that initial boost to the coffers, which is not really much of a difference unless you get beyond the group stages. Considering 4th place only gets you in the qualifiers, there is a doubt that we would actually earn any significant income over winning either domestic cup. European football is a bonus, nothing more and that is how it should be seen, we should not be running the club on a budget based on European qualification or we will end up like Leeds.}

Oh and Tmac, if you took alttle more time to read my post i outlined the word Selfish, i.e Gerrard said he would prefer to win the cup for SELFISH reasons. He went on to outline how important 4th spot was to the owners and Manager. El Pistolero

I care less about the Champions League with each passing season. A stupid, boring tournament. Does anyone really believe the world waits with bated breath for CSKA vs. Basle, or whatever? It is a just a money-making circus - nothing like the old European Cup used to be.

I would far rather we won trophies than qualify for this bloated ego-trip.

Ed - The carling cup prize money is a nominal amount, it is similar to the prize money offered to a club for winning one group game if not substantially less. As for the probability of not making it into the group stages - most likely to be drawn against an obscure european team, or a journeyman club that is not able to compete with the muscle power of the premier league big guns. European football is what allows clubs to go on and challenge for domestic honours. No team in the modern era will be able to make the jump from 7th, to winning the title in consecutive seasons. It is near impossible. Therefore I think 4th spot is an essential stepping stone in our quest to win league titles again, not the domestic cups. I'm sure the increase in fanbase as a result of winning the league would eclipse any increment as an effect of winning domestic cups. El Pistolero {Ed001's Note - you really are not understanding it at all, it is nothing to do with prize money, it is to do with glory. Winning trophies is what brings fans in, not finishing 4th. Even saying that you get into the group stages, just ask Manchester about how difficult it is to get through them. You talk about winning leagues, but you have no plan to do so other than finishing 4th. What the hell is that going to do to increase our finances when 3 teams will have gained more financially by finishing above us? We will still be falling behind them! The only way to get the club back on track is to win trophies and build on it. Success breeds confidence and confidence breeds better performances, which in turn brings more success.}

Also I dont think we Liverpool fans were complaing so much when we won it in 2005 and reached the final again. If you had your way we wouldn't have qualified for entry into the competition. El Pistolero {Ed001's Note - and your point is? I loved winning it but I do think we shouldn't have been there. But then nor would half of the teams in it every season if it was up to me. I fail to see how this is relevant to your fantasy of 4th meaning we will win the league the following season?}

Ed - I dont think you are getting it. Who won the the carling cup last season? We have to be on a level footing, in the short term, with the other 3 clubs to be able compete. Trophies do breathe confidence but the league is the bread and butter. Winning the league cup every season will not improve our league position. How much confidence can be gained by defeating second string teams? How much confidence was our squad brimming with when we beat spanked Real Madrid at home? It seems we are just going to have to agree to disagree. In my opinion 4th, or better, should be our ultimate goal. El Pistolero {Ed001's Note - our only goal is winning the league, 4th is an irrelevance. I really don't see what Birmingham have to do with it, they gained loads of media exposure through winning the Carling Cup, it was a terrible manager in charge of a dreadful team that was their problem. Second string teams like City you mean? What a ludicrous comment that was! Comparing the two situations is nonsense, we weren't a club that had gone through the trauma of having the manager and owners fall out very publicly, leading to a split. Followed by the trauma of the club being in very serious financial difficulties and the hiring of a man who simply failed to understand the job he had taken on. A man who then went on to sign a lot of dross that weren't fit to wear the shirt and destroy team spirit and confidence. In fact he did such a good job of messing up the club that we are struggling to recover over a year after he was sacked. We need trophies, we need to reaffirm that this is a club to come to if you want to win things. No player moves to a club to finish 4th each season, that is why Arsenal are losing all their best players year after year and struggling to bring in real quality. But I guess that also doesn't fit in with your 4th is the only thing that matters belief.}

No player moves to a club to finish 4th every season, they move for Champions league football.

Arsenal, have struggled to bring in real quality due to the wage structure they have in place, and the prudence of Arsene Wenger. It has nothing to do with their lack of domestic trophies. Players in the european game want to compete on the biggest stage, and whether you like it or not that is the champions league in their eyes. The confidence/experience gained from competeing against top european teams throughout a season, i believe, will be far greater than that gaimed from winning the league cup. Of course we are rebuilding from the terrible mess we were in last year, but 4th spot would be deemed glory in the eyes of the owners, whereas the domestic cups are a bonus. {Ed001's Note - you do realise that Arsenal's wage structure means they pay higher wages than we do to new signings right? Do you know why players look to leave Arsenal then? Because the reason they fear losing RVP is due to lack of trophies, not money, so your point is nonsense.}

So you think RVP would swap Arsenal for Liverpool next season? I think you are missing the point. The 'Trophies' you talk about, are no longer thought of in such high regard. RVP would only leave Arsenal to join Mann City because they have a genuine chance of winning the league and Champions league. He would not leave to join a team without european football, with only a realistic chance of winning the domestic cups. The league position doesnt lie, and a team finishing fourth shows a basis to build upon for next season, whilst also providing the lure of european football. Oh and money would be a sticking point, RVP would be 200k at City, enough to turn, the most loyal footballers head. El Pistolero

Hey ed i am an american and i wouldn't be aware of liverpool if not for champions league . just saying

 

 

03 Mar 2012 23:13:41
Hey Ed001 - would love your thoughts re our season so far if you have time?

If you were to look into your crystal ball, assuming you have one...:p Where do you think we will be this time next year? Solely based on what you have seen so far. Then hypothetically, with a new RW & FW(other?) I can see a very bright future! The only games which were very disappointing were Spurs away and the Bolton game, I think. Other than that, I think we have dominated games and I have to say it, been ever so unlucky.

I read your thoughts re the youngsters earlier, was thinking, say we fall further behind(really hope not!) It might actually be our best chance(no pressure)to blood a few exceptional talents ie Suso, Sterling, Coady etc...

Cheers
Lee YNWA {Ed001's Note - I think this season is just what I expected, difficult. It was always going to be difficult putting right the mess that has been made of the club over the last 20+ years. Off the field we still have no new stadium, we are still miles behind clubs like Man Utd and Arsenal financially and we don't have a sugar daddy to make up the difference. We have to expect it to take time, we can't afford to go out and just buy the best, we have to build up the club from the bottom.
This season we have brought in too many players, but we needed to, and they are not all settling in straight away. But they are learning to play as a team, to understand where each other want the ball played and when a run is just a feint and when it is a real run. All these things take time, but the signs are there that it is beginning to happen.
The real issue is putting the ball in the back of the net, Adam seems overawed at playing for us and is trying too hard, so his deadballs, which would normally be expected to provide a number of goals for others, are not as effective. Gerrard is not at his best for obvious reasons. Suarez and Carroll have not had the goalscoring success they enjoyed at their previous clubs. Despite all this we have won a cup. I think we should be glad, as that is what the club is about - winning things - not coming fourth!
Next season I expect the players to be more of a team, to be better due to knowing each other's game and where each other will be when looking for a pass. With a couple of the right additions, I see us being top four, without I think we will be fighting for top four.
Sorry I have rambled on and completely forgotten what you asked me, apart from something about if I had a crystal ball? That was just a vicious rumour, I was born with both intact and fleshy thanks mate!}

Ed001 - You are my type of fan! great reply, enuf said! - TMac {Ed001's Note - thank you mate, I got a bit carried away and completely forgot the question though!}

, rumours can be cruel and strange sometimes :).  Myself & others, no doubt, are wholeheartedly in agreement.  I'm always deeply upset when we lose(or draw) but usually see sense!  Today was very harsh and could have really made things interesting, but we're in this position because we deserve to be, luck or no luck.  

I think with a bit of good fortune in front of goal ( due some, one would think) and a lot of effort we can win two cups and a late .. Late scramble for 4th perhaps? :p

One can dream cant he?  Hey, if this season is anything to go by, like you said lots of new players, learning off each other etc.   We're already dominating nearly every game... So the signs are pretty ominous for our opposition. 

The Golden Sky is approaching.....

Thanks for your time boss!

Lee YNWA

Ed001 - It's callled passion for our club mate and also an understanding of were we where at the time and we were we are now. The team is developing nicely for me, could do with a couple of additions (so long as THEY want to play and not just get theirPAY) then the future looks bright! - TMac

No worries re the initial message Ed001, appreciate your honest answer.

Lee YNWA
{Ed001's Note - cheers, sorry I rambled on a bit.}

Ed, am I getting the formatting symbol randomly in my posts because I'm typing in my notepad(iPod) then pasting? It's easier, is all! Ta,

Lee YNWA {Ed001's Note - yes mate, it is just the symbols on there are confusing the HTML. Maybe you could try using " instead of ' or the other way round and see if that helps? Or it could simply be, looking back at the message, you have highlighted more than just the text and copied and pasted that over too.}

Noted Ed, cheers.

It's nice to hear from a like-minded Red to be honest. Like Tmac said, passion for our club. The Liverpool lot by me are pretty passive and pessimistic. 21 years and counting etc.... Appreciate your time,

Lee YNWA {Ed001's Note - thank you Lee, it is always good to know I am not alone in my thinking!}

Well said Ed001, logical, clear, realistic and relevant.
The voice of reason.
Cheers.
Shankly's Red Army.

There you see the difference between the two main Eds -001 & 002. 001 predominantly looks at it from a perspective of the game itself and the club itself whereas 002 looks at it predominantly from the business perspective. This is actually reflected at club level where 001 would be Dalglish and 002 would be FSG. RED LENIN

 

 

03 Mar 2012 23:19:04
all these names people are quoting on here are ridiculous and ppl need to wake up, pool only still get ok quality players becoz of the name and brand of the club, use had 50 million to spend on strikers last summer and bought carrol for 35, laughable, hes terrible, Suarez yes is a good player but not top class, and hes a wee verment wouldent want him at any other club, players like Lavessi are going to look at top 4 clubs before they would consider liverpool, use need to take a leaf out of newcastles book ....Demba Ba, free, Cisse 9 million, Leon Best 350k and they are at the same level as use.

i like L/pool but some of use need to get a realisation of what level the team is at,
Spent 50 million on two strikers and the team has only scored 30 goals in 27 games in the league, Blackburn have scored the same.


.......................truth hurts

Mate lavezzi doesn't even play for a top four club now

 

 

03 Mar 2012 23:13:15
lads just want to say you deserved to win today.
i wanted to ask you a question about your striker situation.
you have spent well over 55 million on strikers in the last couple of years and even though you got 50mill for torres,that is still a lot of money to spend on a strike force.
who do you blame for them not being a hit?
dave.w gooner
ps-get rid of damien camoli hes no good,he likes to spend money and thats it,he was run out of arsenal.

I don't personally blame any specific person. For me, there two main problems- 1) Suarez and Carroll have played almost no games together. They really need some time on the field at the same time if they're to ever form any sort of partnership and understanding. 2) For whatever reason we seem to play with no attacking center mids. Not sure if this by plan or simply because the ones we have aren't CAMs by trade, but we rarely seem to have much support on the attack in the middle third. No support equals little supply and no outlet either if it's needed.

Probably am oversimplification, but those are the two things I think are most unhelpful.

RDL

I really think that Kenny has lost his patience with Carroll! both on and off the field! hence why he did'nt start today and did'nt bring him on till after we went behind!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 23:10:55
You know what I was thinking of, at a few attacks of ours where a fullback was up.
Get in the area, Kelly or Enrique.
Sneak in up at the back of that six yard box.
Chris Lawler, Phil Neal style.
If you're gonna get up in support, get tight in there cos there'll be no designated markers.
I hope Enrique and Kelly (if Johnson) moves on, find a touch more confidence to slide in there.
I saw sign of Anfield of old today, waves of attacks. But we need to increase their intensity.
Make 10 outfield men look like 15.
The Real KB

We need a striker with 4 feet

Kelly was that fullback today and he missed an open goal!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 23:09:07
After today's result we are out of the running for 4th place. We are assured of Europa League next season (which pleases me - all European football is experience and by the time we qualify for the Champions' League we won't have many experienced players left). I have been saying for some time that it is time to blood some of our younger players. We don't need to go mad and make wholesale changes but I think that we should bring in several Reserve players one by one into the starting line-up and given a full ninety minutes instead of the usual five or ten when they don't even have time to warm up. They are going to be used next season anyway as not too many new players will be arriving and a few of the old guard will depart (or retire - one player in particular!). We have signed a lot of youngsters and I am looking forward to some of them getting a chance. The likes of Suso are not going to get any taller and heavier but he has the skills and that is more important than just being a big, strong hoofer.
Bijev and Bueno should be joining before next season so we will have a really good selection of young players who MUST get their chance.
Dutchmal

Agreed with you completely. Would love to see Shelvey get a start behind Suarez and Carroll. Maybe another game with Morgan and Suarez up top. Or one with Robinson in for Enrique. Stuff like that- nothing crazy but give the youngsters a chance as that experience could prove invaluable next season and in the early stages of Europa.

RDL

 

 

03 Mar 2012 23:01:28
is it me but i don't think we will make 4th spot and if we don't no one good will come.

also it could happen like man city
they were rebuilding and their league position went like this:
Season 1 - 5th
Season 2 - 3rd
Season 3 - 1st

Man City have spent/got alot more money than us!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 22:39:14
Hey comolli, still think we need 1 or 2 more players to complete this squad? I think not. Wake up and realize we are probley not gonna make the champions league with this squad! Sign sum players.

Signing SUM players is going to take up a use SOME of money. I REALISE that we PROBABLY aren't GOING to make the ECL.
DM2012

Yes, we only need 1 or 2 players who can score goals.

Comolli

 

 

03 Mar 2012 22:25:49
I really think we played well today with an obvious lack for a striker, but as a whole was game played well, Arsenal were not on the ball as much as we were, but it's their striker that makes the difference. So what the season is still not over and we have a trophy in our cabinet and all the rest don't, and as the arsenal commentator said they would rather have taken a trophy than fourth place.
I know we all want champs spot but we still got europa lge spot and a trophy I am very happy and next year we can go for fourth, no problem.
Go Reds you did well today hard luck let's move on!
Let 's not be winging girls!
hibsylfc

 

 

03 Mar 2012 22:00:00
Hey Eds and fellow fans!
I've got to say i'm getting fed up of all this kenny out, suarez should go etc! We've come on leaps and bounds since last season but people just don't see it! Yes we're 7th and we should be higher, yes champions league is probably out of sight but at least we've got a trophy. I do agree we should be aiming for the champions league and we do need a clinical finisher but it does take time. Compared to last season, the amount of chances we do create is unreal. We've got a good run of games coming up where we don't play one of the top 5 till May, surely we should wait and see how things turn out!
As for those saying Suarez wasn't good enough today and he should go, did you even see that solo effort? or the amount of times he turned the defenders inside and out? Yes he doesn't convert all the chances he should but at least he's busting a gut to try and make them! we're seriously a better attacking side with him in the starting line up than not!
And as for those wishing for pepe to go, have you ever! He makes some mistakes like most goalkeepers but he more than makes up for it!
Lets support the team! Adam and Hendo are better than Poulsen and Cole were! And downing is starting to find his feet!
And Martine Skrtel has been outstanding!
Come one lets support the team for next weeks game against sunderland!
Dale B

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:56:25
Miss/Ms/Mrs Ed002 - please don't tar the majority of 'sane' Liverpool fans with the same brush as the minority of fickle ones. Chelsea and Man Utd fans are far more fickle (and immature)... I say this with confidence cos I know (too)many! I understand you see lots of posts, but most Liverpool fans are fair and just.....but more importantly LOYAL. Lee YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:46:48
Hi ed(s) was watching espn classic the other day, when a player came on for Liverpool that I'd totally forgot player for us.....jari litmaman (sp) what a player he was. Just wondered if you had any fond memories or insider info of him, was he liked in the dressingroom etc

Cheers {Ed001's Note - liked by most but Houllier, he was too strong a personality and Ged didn't like that Litmanen tried to give an opinion on tactics.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:44:10
Hey guys,
Lets be honest, we all wanted Champions League next season... But we won't get it.
I personally don't beilive it's Kenny's fault, after all is it his fault that Carroll has been a flop so far?
When we bought him he had scored about 11 goals in 19 games with an average team supporting him, so why cant he replicate this form now? Is it really Kenny's Fault?
Hence, not his fault for buying Carroll. As for Henderson, I like the lad and really want him to succeed at the club, after all he is Englands U-21 captain, How many s**te players can put that on their CV? I for one would like to see him sent on loan to a team like Swansea next season, any team that play good football, after all look at sturrige after his season at Bolton.
Downing. Great player who has underperformed and he has admitted that himself, last few games he looks to have turned a new leaf though, which will always be a positive.
Charlie. There is no doubt he was a quality player last year and has come here
and not set the league alight but still chipped in with a few goals and assists, even though sometimes he needs to play the simple pass.
To much attention is given to the players who have not filled their potential without considering the great signing's like Enrique. Bellamy defiantly came with a risk that the King has handled superbly.
After all is Europa league a bad thing, we could see how some of our youth players are developing against crap sweedish teams before chucking them in the premier league. A blessing in disguise?
To be honest I do think if we still had Rafa with our current financial backing we would be competing were we should be ( albeit with a 90% spanish team) but in Kenny we trust.
CK
YNWA

Well said CK. Dale B

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:42:45
todays result shouldnt come as too much of a suprise to anyone,its the same old story,play well,create chances,miss chances,get punished for missing chances,we are not too far away,a striker and winger a must and an attacking midfielder,would definately have 7 million in huddersfields jordan rhodes,worth a chance ,we took one on rushie t one time,rhodes is a natural finisher,and has a one in two ratio over the last three seasons, rob bushby

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:37:53
Was that Suso kicking in at half time with Shelvey and Carroll?

Ozone

Maybe they gave sterling a match day warm up etc before the match today I noticed
Looks promising

No Suso is gonna keep me from my meat and tatie pie and a pint at half time, Ozone lad.
Here talking of practices and Wembley.
Before the Wimbledon final in 88, there was a benefits match organised. Jimmy Tarbuck's XI (that was the one that Tommy Smith got grassed up I think) v A Showbiz XI.
Tarby got absolutely slaughtered off the Liverpool fans. But the best was, that fella that used to play Brian Tilsey off Coronation Street. He was a bit of a fitness "hunk". The whopper comes running on, tries to do a few flick flacks gymnast style, and goes fkn flying like a bag of taties.
Cue uproar on the terraces.
Now that, I'd give up my pint and pie anytime for !
The Real KB

He was there in the pre match warm up too. I thought it was Sterling!

Nice on KB.

Ozone

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:35:01
I thought Henderson had a great game today.

Ozone

I thought he was crap {Ed001's Note - why did you think he was crap? If you can't quantify it or explain it in anyway I will just delete replies like this. They offer nothing to the convo and are just a waste of everyone's time to post up childish replies like that.}

So mrs henderson yr boy did good.what u want round of applause.

Hendo had a decent game.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:20:43
fourth spot is gone to arsenal... :(

dingdong

They are on for 3rd mate

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:20:11
Im getting worried rub your face woy is going to finish higher than us four points difference!!!!!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 21:00:59
Today was dissapointin. Bt sumthing thats left a sour taste was the commentary. At half time commentator said we have seen both sides of suarez so far the skill and him being a rogue and goin down for a pen
Seriously wat the hell ! It was a penalty plain and simple bt cos its suarez its him being a rogue!
That made me mad!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:59:50
Rumours of a dressing room bust up, excellent! We should have taken 3 points today it's about time they came out and performed to our expectations. KD is doing the best he can and things are improving but for gods sake this was an Arsenal team for the taking. All we need are balls in the net......

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:52:27
Heard a rumour there has been a bit of a bust up in the dressing room after the game. Anyone know anything?

Ozone {Ed002's Note - Twitter.}

Nothing on twitter

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:51:17
The usual nonsense on here tonight I see.
What is up with people ?
Ash, going on about lack of quality again.
We absolutely battered Arsenal.
The formation was dead on, our midfield dominated theirs.
You can't blame Kenny for that.
He picks a side and a formation, but he can't put it in the net for them.
It was all right apart from that. Bit of luck, bit of confidence, bit of composure lacking.
Arsenal got away with it, big time.
And that is the top and bottom of it.
The Real KB

Id agree that there has been an over reaction, but do you not think that there is a lack of ..conviction or killer instinct KB?

Agree

Also a team of Kenny's plays much better than a team of Rafa's

Some fans want Rafa back for dullness

However Kenny bought some sub standard players in the summer and this at the moment is his downfall hopefully it can be corrected in ther summer.

Some sense at last and it did require the expletive. We can all see it we're a game changer, a pacy right winger and goal scorer away from being serious contenders

Maybe there is a bit of conviction missing.
As a striker I think you want to get a good connection, you aim in an area. People say pick your spot, but getting a sweet hit like that is rare. Especially from open play, when you may have a split second. We're shooting, beating the keeper, but the f thing is coming off the bar and post. How many times now, this season ? It's getting ridiculous.
People may have a go at the strikers. But surely if you do the right things, play strongly, it's got to come.
Having said that, by rights, we had luck with the penalty shoot out last week.
Hey ho. Liverpool have got us on a roller coaster at the moment. Ups and downs all the time.
The Real KB

You could say we were "unlucky" for the 100th time this season, KB?

Ash

Ash
RVP is good, don't get me wrong.
But absolutely everything he's connecting with is going in at the moment.
That's how it goes.
He's earned the good times, cos he's had some awful luck with injuries in the past.
But he's not that good. 27 goals in 28 odd games ?
Cmon.
When you're hot, go with it.
We were a team today. They were one man, on the end of a couple of bits and pieces. I know they've got Wilshire to come back, but I would rather be in our boat than theirs mate. And that's the truth. You could see they couldn't believe their f luck at the end there.
The Real KB

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:49:04
I think this could be the time to unleash young Sterling, this lad is something special, no pressure on him as we're not scoring anyway so any goals he gets will be a bonus.

Sooty

The lad will get in good position's play some lovely balls but it'll be the same old story no one there or bad positioning!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:42:07
Just got home from anfield after a long day and was going to avoid the site due to the normal behaviour after a loss but anyhow, today i thought we were fantastic first half, everything you could want from a team, quick movement, good passing, got down the wings and balls in to the box.

Second half we werent as effective but still done okay, missed a sitter (Kelly)

What we don't do is close down the opposition, i have been saying this for weeks, when we lose the ball we back off and invite them on, the opposition can just stroll 20 yards with the ball towards our goal, this must change, no matter how good a side you are, you must close the space and make the opposition think fast and shift the ball, if they do that and score fair play, don't let them have twenty minutes thinking time about what they want to do.

Once again though we fail to convert our chances.
Suarez is a tricky player but not a goalscorer, kuyt works hard but same again, a fox in the box in the summer and we will be fine.

The main problem i have is Charlie Adam, i can not understand how he keeps getting in the team, he is slow, clumsy and must get dizzy from spinning round so much, i really think jo jo should start next game.

Fourth place is Arsenals to lose now, we need to just keep going and see what happens. I personally think we will finish fifth.

We could still end up with carling cup and F.A cup double, so still lots to play for.

No matter what happens i am still making the journey up every week to support the boys till the end.

In King Kenny I Still Trust

G BOX

I agree G Box.

Ozone

Totally agree with you concerning Charlie Adam and Jonjo Shelvey

G Box good post but I have to disagree on the closing down part, closing teams down like arsenal with excellent passing abilities will just create space for there players to run into
Lpoolkris 

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:41:20
Hi Guys
I'm a Man United fan (I come in peace).This is just an observation not a criticism but I saw what I believe to be a fundamental difference between Alex Ferguson and Kenny Dalgleish during your match with Arsenal and that is Kenny seemed to be happy to settle for a 1-1 home draw and hope that something positive happened rather than what AF does and change things on the pitch to make things happen to win the game.Andy Carroll has come in for a fair amount of stick but what hope has he got coming on in injury time expected to salvage a game. Kenny seems to react to what has happened rather than make changes to define what happens.As I say its an observation and not a criticism but I don't expect all of you to agree with me.

Bazza The Red

The team were playing well and on for a win no changes were necessary.

When Carroll cam on he jumped up for a ball challenged by a smaller Arsenal player, then he sat on the ground looking disconsolate, we really didn't need that from Carroll any earlier.

Kenny was right no subs were required and really only Belamy should have came on and his time was about right.


The problem is we have no player who can find the net with regularity.


You just can legislate for brilliance by RVP and poor goal keeping by Reina didn't help.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:35:40
liverpool football club exists to win trophies, any one not get that ? not fourth ,not fifth or sixth but to win trophies. we are work in progress ,today we played some fantastic football but the finishing isnt clinical ,surely the managment recognise this and will act in the summer to address the fact ,keep the faith youngsters your days of plenty are just around the corner. be patient and be supportive .redello

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:30:14
God we miss Lucas so bad, He would have broken loads up today, Henderson was excellent, really excellent, I see really good things for our midfield for the future.

Sooty

Sooty,
How the f did we miss Lucas today ?
What didn't we break up of theirs ?
They had about four decent chances and scored two.
The Real KB

We are a much better team with Lucas in it... end of!

RedSG

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:30:09
City in terms of development. They took 3 years to go from nothing to League Contenders. It shouldn't take that long for us.

I'm not criticizing the players but we just need to take the chances we create. Completely ruined Arsenal today, but we're not clinical enough and our performances haven't gotten the results they deserve.

Preferably I would like to see 4 in next summer. A Striker, Winger, Attacking-Mid and a Defensive-Mid.

Its very frustrating when we play well but somehow don't win. Hopefully Quality players will recognize this and be attracted to us.

And would people stop lambasting anyone who gives the slightest bit of criticism as fickle. Who put you on a pedestal?

GuvTOB

City have unlimited Funds - LFC don't

City can make financial mistakes and recover from them with relative impunity
LFC cannot

Liverpool cannot be measured by city standards as we don't have their resources

The start was edited out.

GuvTOB

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:26:33
The performance today tipified are season, created loads of chances, didn't take them and were punished for it. We are crying out for someone like Soldado and a quick RM with good delivery, I'd be happy with Soldado and Phillips in the summer, plus replacing any first team regulars who may be sold. We don't need as many players as people think we do, we would have Lucas and Gerrard CM so we don't need a new one if we can sort out Steven's fitness. A player like De Jong would be good to cover the Strikers and the wings also, and we have Sterling, Suso, Coady, Robinson and Flannaghan all capable of stepping up next season. We aren't anywhere as bad as some on here say we are, put RVP in our team this season, wed be competing for the title, are defence is solid, we create loads of chances we just need a finisher.
JFT96
Smithy

Agree with that.
The one player we did miss today was Daniel Agger. Never mind missing Lucas.
The Real KB

The only player missed today was Gerrard

Ok so the above poster you would of played Carragher for Agger today if Agger was fit? Danny was Sorely missed today!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:25:46
Hi Eds and Reds,

Just a couple of comments after today's disappointing defeat :

1) Is it me or does Hendo look to be playing better when in the middle, if anything I would have taken Adam off and brought on Bellers putting Hendo in the middle.


2) on seeing the replay, not a pen for me, great double save for Gooner keeper, credit where credit due.


3) Downing - for me his end product aint good enough

4) Kelly - 1st choice right back for me, I ve said it before I'd play Johnson at right midfield ,good combo

5) if only we had Van Persie, u can't deny he's got a wand of a left peg.


Rebel_Red

A bit harsh on Downing maybe, he doesn't have much to aim at as often as not.
But I agree with your points otherwise.
I've noticed that Bellamy has been benched last week and this - is his knees catching up with him, or was Kenny being more than fair to Wales and the memory of Gary Speed ?
A bit of pace up front for me. I thought we could have got at them a bit more on corners and set pieces today as well. Maybe have thrown the big lad on with 10 to go ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - he has a niggling injury at the moment, that is why he is only coming on as a sub.}

Kelly after todays performance is not the fox in the box

But it was the delivery's from all those corner's and set piece's that were terrible! really poor!

Was at the match, no point in critisizing Downing's delivery when time and again there was no one in the box. More of an issue was our dog sh*te deliver from corners and free kicks. I thought Tubby's dead ball delivery was worth £10 million alone? He needs to get his head up before delivering the ball, too many times yesterday he tried a blind pass that didn't come off. And while I'm on the subject anyone saying Kelly should always be picked before Johnson at right back needs a slap. Yesterday he showed that he still has a lot to learn defensively. And breathe......

Lucas Lovechild

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:17:04
BEHAVE

We are missing a finisher...
Outplayed Spurs Arsenal and Mancs with great football and a Trophy on the sideboard..

A bit of reality lads
B+ for the season which goes to A if we win FA Cup..
We are going in the right direction
support your team cos there's enough out there knocking us

Pistol Pete
Pistol Pete

 

 

03 Mar 2012 20:10:56
I think some fans are a complete fickle joke and they should go and support somebody else. We have improved by about 70 percent more than last season.

King Kenny is doing a wonderful job he as already deivered us one major trophy this season and we are in the quarters of another comp. We have an outside chance of fourth but we are in there fighting.

Things were probably the worse we have ever been when KK took over but he needs time and support. Every fan thinks they can do better but stop making yourself look daft,

All you can look for is an improvement season by season. I am not just red tinted but a realist. King Kenny as done such an amazing job and nobody could of done better.

Our performance was absolutely brilliant today. Its easy to slag the tean off in bad times but please support them always not just when you can be bothered.

So the clowns that are slagging everything off, we were given our best day last week for over 6 yrs. We are the verge of something very big lets not break it.

PLEASE SUPPORT THE CLUB AND MANAGER.

MIGHTY REDS

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:42:23
We got mugged today, plain & simple. We lack the one thing that would make us title contenders! Someone to put the ball in the net. Kenny & Comolli will sort that in the summer. Top 4 looks like it will elude us this season, yet we've won 1 trophy & still very much in the other. It's not so bad!

The Irish Rover

Not like were getting out played week in week out. If I was an Arsenal fan I'd be more worried because if RVP leaves Their F";/@d

Lyndon

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:42:20
We need to decide how we are going to lay the team out and stick with it.We cannot play a lone striker if that loan striker is Suarez. He is far better coming in from a flank like David Villa - so that means we need to be 4-4-2, or 4-4-1-1. Carroll needs to play with Suarez every week that they are both fit. Our problem therefore is midfield. When fit, first choice is Lucas. But who should partner him in the middle? A stuttering Gerrard? Will he ever be anything other than a shadow of his former self? Personally I reckon we should be playing 4-3-3, with (when fit) a front three of Suarez, Carroll and Downing. Mid three of Henderson, Lucas, Shelvey, back four of Enrique, Agger, Skrtel, Kelly, with Kelly and Enrique providing the width. I'm sorry, but I do not see any future or mileage building a team around Gerrard. As a club we have got to decide what line-up is our normal and stick with it. But one thing is nailed-on definate - we are going nowhere playing Carroll or Suarez as lone strikers. We derved at least a point today, but we won'tdo well with only one up top and that is all there is to it. RED LENIN

Only thing I don't agree with is Shelvey, he's not consistant enough yet. Henderson was excellent today...oh that's right he was played in his correct position. Always plays well when played in his right position.

Sooty

Got to agree about gerrard. The man has been a legend but all legends come to an end. We are more fluent when he doesnt play because everyone else can then play their natural game instead of feeling that they have to play every ball through gerrard. Brian

I'm not calling for a change in personell, We hve played brilliantly at Anfield except for 1 or 2 games, but the fact is we've only scored 30 goals in 27 games. We play a good pass and move game, but don't go forward fast enough we hit the bar 21 times missed 6 penalties created many chances but failed to put them away. I think that there needs to be a change of tactics and the way the players go about their jobs, We've got a good squad but I don't think they are used to the best advantage. If in the closed season there is not going to be major signing we should use the rest of this season to experiment, different formation and tactics. Fourth spot is beyond us and in a way it's for the best because we are not ready for the Eurpean cup. If we carry on like this next season is not going to be any different to this......Bobbinred

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:40:28
PGTF Ed2? {Ed002's Note - Post Game Traumatic Fickleness - many Liverpool fans suffer from it after a draw or loss.}

But more Chelsea fans suffer with this syndrome.

Tekneek

Beginning to wonder if ED002 wants the best for LFC?
Of course the majority of LFC's supporter's will be annoyed after today's result - they're not being fickle, they're very frustrated!  They want the best for this club, they want the club back where it should be, at the top of the Premier League.  
ED002 has stated in the past that Champions League qualification is not the "be all and end all", and he's partly correct on this point - winning the Premier League is the priority.  But without Champions League to offer, the list of quality players who will be willing to join LFC will be massively reduced.  You can cross-off more than half the players on the player profile site for starters. Why the hell would a player of Lavezzi's quality consider a move to a non-Champions League side?
True fans are annoyed because the team quite simply is not good enough at the moment.  We regularly dominate possession, but don't put chances away which means we draw or lose games when we would be winning them comfortably. 
Many of the players brought into the side (excluding Suarez, although he's brought along his own issues!) are simply not good enough.  Compare the current side to the side which came so close in 2008/9, and if you're honest, you'll admit that we're now weaker in almost every position.  The only players which would make that team from the current squad would be the now awesome Skrtel, Reina and Suarez (although Suarez would have to play wide).   I realise that Gerrard and Kuyt were in the team 4 years ago, but they're not currently up to the standard they were.
The reality is we need a significant change to turn fortunes around - tinkering with further poor summer additions will simply not do it.  And let's remember what this season's primary objective was - Champions League qualification.  The owners will take action if this isn't achieved.

Sir Masher {Ed002's Note - Man you are nuts if you don't think the fans are fickle. After anything but a win they are calling for all the players to be sold, Dalglish sacked and the owners out.}

Not sure all LFC fans are fickle just some

But Sir Masher do'es tell it how it is though! except i'd put Agger with Reina Skrtel and Luis!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:40:16
RVP's league stats for Arsenal are very impressive:

183 apperances 91 goals 53 assists

Not bad for a lad bougth for less than 3 million pounds.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:39:03
Wise up u fools calling for Kenny's head. Less than a week ago we won our first cup in 6 years (granted we didnt play great) and today I'm as disappointed as I have been all season but we did outplay the exact team that destroyed spurs (arguably playing the best football in the league) only six days ago.
Our closing down from the front was exceptional, quick pass n move play and kept them to very few chances. I was gutted cos we played so well to no reward.
Like most of the season- if Kelly put that chance away, if downing picked out Suarez in the second half, if the linesman hadn't hav given a very soft fk against Kelly (ultimately led to their goal). Very small margins can lose u games but at the end of the day Kenny had no control over those.
Jason

There have been a lot of "what ifs" this season. "What if" won't get 4th spot.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:25:15
Luis was bought as an "Aimar" to Torres leaving Gerrard to take up the midfield again, and Fernando in his prime would of revelled in the pair of them supplying. Suarez was never a 20+/season scorer. Carroll isnt the player to run behind defences, although he has his strength, poor lad square peg in a round hole and that's nothing to blame home for.

A clinical finisher, even a lazy one like bent, would of sadly made the difference this season but We HAVE played some amazing football this season...proper football...the Liverpool way.

This is the first season for these players and I feel Suarez gone (selfish and although world class he does not have the morality of a LFC player) I feel if we replaced him with a finisher we would be a better "team" for next season

Suarez wants the money shot constantly, Liverpool pass...a team mentality....

I hope Comolli brings a gem of a right winger, like that Serbian fella Tusic (or whatever in Dutch league) and a hungry fast striker, a goal scorer, solando or polo.

Apologies for drunk text spelling, ps we mullered arsenal today, suppose that makes us equal for Owens 2001 final...

That is all

Allseeingaaiiii

I guess Suarez was just lucky when he scored 22, 28, and 49 in successive years for Ajax. We could do with some of that luck

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:18:20
Guys Arsenal fan here don't wanna gloat, but it does feel nice after beating a big club despite playing at our standards very poorly Also being the first team winning at anfield this year. Liverpool played very well but definatly missing a clinical finisher, A right and left winger, A center attacking midfielder and a right back. Also to be honest your team apart from from Reina, Agger and Skrtel, Lucas, and Suarez are either dross or over 30. Players like Henderson, Carroll, Adam, Downing, Johnson should not be playing for Liverpool. You might say Arsenal are a one man team. Yes we are over reliant over Van Persie, but you saw the pass Song gave for him. We got Oxlade Chamberlain coming through, Gibbs is looking the real deal if he can keep fit, Szceney is amazing, Sagna is very good and when Koscileny and Vermaelen are fully fit then we have a good team. So that's why I think we won due to our quality.

Islington Gooner

Bull- Gibbs is average- ur defense is a shambles- songs is terrible- great cross today but a liability at the back, arteta, Walcott, yossi, diaby, gervinho are dross! Song is good but if he's ur supposed dm u'll forever concede cos he has no discipline to stay back. Hence the massive gaps in the first half and early on against spurs. Ur keeper is a real talent tho.

Dont want to be smug but what have you won in 7 years again!

I'll give you RvP is a monster, your young keeper is impressive, and Ox may be quite good in the future, but the rest of your squad by and large is no better than ours. In fact, I'd say ours is much stronger in general. We're clearly lacking a striker while Arsenal is lacking quite a bit. If you don't manage to hang on to van Persie (or if he gets injured) you're in a heap of trouble, I think.

Cmon lads take it easy on the gooner. He's kinda right about our team though. I mean imagine if Arsenal and Chelsea didnt get so weak this year we probably would have been out of the race for 4th ages ago.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:04:29
Has anyone totted up how many times we have hit the post / bar this season and how many corners? Just be interested to see if it's listed anywhere, anyone know? eds?

v disappointed but on the plus side what manager in their right mind would take th CFC job when it becomes available - AVB must be chuckling all the way to the bank...

Suffolk'n Red

Hit the frame of the goal 21 times I think Sky said...

RedSG

6 billion corners- most have been terribly delivered by Adam.

To many times

 

 

03 Mar 2012 19:01:20
Tough but realism has to kick in now. With the exception of Carroll, who has not been first choice, Kenny has his faith his signings and it hasn't worked out.
Shelvey was recalled from loan but Adam is preferred? Kuyt misses out in the C Cup final but is better than Carroll? Is downing better than Maxi? I rate Hendo where others do not as he has vision and is mobile - today he was cleann. through and Adam never lifted his head up. Enrique is good but ultimately money spent on Carroll, Downing and Adam was not wise.
We have had managers who were not as revered as KK do this badly and they were sacked, Houllier, Rafa.
I think we won the C Cup because we fielded strong sides. Admittedly Chelsea away and City over two legs are fantastic results but we sacrificed the league to win the least prestigious domestic trophy and that cannot be correct. Sign of the times,but I'd prefer 4th to that cup, we were very poor in the final too.
Silverware, great but progress? From the Hodgson disaster, yes but from the previous era, no, tonight we are what about 27 points,off top spot? Never mind fourth!
I admit I'd called for Tata's head as I was tired with all the power struggling and negative football. Today, well I enjoy most of the attacking intent but what a lack of quality, composure and decision making we have in the final third.
Kenny keep the style, buy one world class finisher and ship, Carrpoll, Adam and Downing. Too many managers now days fail to admit to their mistakes, well these 3 were never good enough for LFC. Do that and I'll be happy to give KK 2 more seasons as the style of football is in keeping with our philosophy. Keep sending the over priced, over paid British flops out and Suarez, Kuyt and Reina will be gone in the summer. Crossroads time, sign a replacement for Stevie G and Fernando Torres and bin Adam, Carroll and we might just have a league season that lasts past February next year. Otherwise we become Aston Villa, Everton etc except we've spent hundreds of millions over the decade. Pains me to say but Redknapp's shown the way, he's spent yes but on good players.
Moan over let's hope Kenny makes me eat my words, I promise to come back and devour humble pie next year, in fact if we win the FA Cup I will coz I just can't see it with this group.
ALB.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:58:56
so if arsenal get the 4th spot so what? they'll get knocked out in the first or second round and still win nothing next season. The obsession with the champions league is getting tedious. What would you rather have, the carling cup or even the FA cup or being knocked out of the champions league early doors and with little chance of winning it in the first place like Arsenal/chelsea and the other two? 2012 will be remembered as who were the title winners, FA cup winners and Carling Cup winners not who played in the champions league and didn't reach the finals. Is champions league qualification that much of a big deal - probably, because we are constantly bombarded by the media telling us so, telling us that this is the pinnacle of everyone's ambition. Winning it - yes. Saying that, bring on fourth.

I totally agree with this post it is not the end of the world if we dont finish top four. People love have a dig at everything and forget where we was this time last year. we were ffantastic today.

mighty reds

How far we have come? We are crap and have made piss all progress

You make a valid point and getting to the early rounds, quaters or whatever in the cl is ofc not too great, cpmpared with winning a cup.

but... its potentially about more than that- money for one and 'status' for 2nd, being able to attract players who want to play in the cl, etc so its not necessarily just about being able to win it- I think there's a bigger picture imo. pool need to get back up there consistently, to be title contenders again.

Actually this time last year we were about where we are now in case you havent noticed. We beat united 3-1 on March 6 last year to have a total of 42 pts at the time.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:56:12
After Saturday's 2-1 defeat at the hands of Arsenal, Liverpool find themselves 10 points off the coveted Champions League spot, but manager Kenny Dalglish must be racking his brains as to how his team came away with nothing from the encounter.

Reds were without skipper Steven Gerrard and Daniel Agger, following their gruelling 120 minutes of football in the Carling Cup Final a week before – but that's not where Liverpool's downfall came against the Gunners.

The Reds' first half display at Anfield was superb, but followed a similar pattern that has plagued the club all year. Despite dominating Arsenal for 45 minutes the only thing they had to show from it was an own goal by Laurent Koscielny. But that opener was cancelled out by Robin Van Persie on the stroke of half-time.

It has almost become a signature for Liverpool this season that they will hit the post and miss a penalty, and this game was no different with Suarez and Kuyt becoming the latest culprits of the curse.

When Liverpool came out for the second half unchanged many Liverpool fans would have been hoping for a similar performance. What they got was frustration as the Reds dominated Arsenal but without any real penetration. Ten minutes into the second half it was clear that Liverpool had run out of ideas and were struggling to break the resilient Gunners defence down.

Liverpool needed a different challenge for the Arsenal defenders to deal with, maybe Craig Bellamy or Andy Carroll. Now Dalglish obviously went to the same school as Benitez when it comes making substitutions, not usually making any changes until 60 minutes into a match.

But not today, today it was even more mind boggling. 60 minutes passed, 70 minutes passed and still no change in the game or the scoreline – and no Liverpool substitution. On 85 minutes Craig Bellamy appeared, with all of 10 minutes to make an impact (due to a lengthy break for Mikel Arteta). Andy Carroll was given about four minutes to change the game after Van Persie had all but sealed the win with a superb volley past Reina at his near post.

However, Kenny will know that the game could have been wrapped up long before that for Liverpool. Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam were creating nothing in the second half, yet Dalglish persisted – and not for the first time. Liverpool have been cost many points this season, and will probably miss out on the Champions League because of Dalglish's inability to admit his tactics aren't working – Benitezesque almost.

Now I'm not saying that Dalglish should be sacked, that won't help the club at all, but between now and the end of the season he has to learn from these mistakes in preparation for next season. Substitutions are a key part of the game and do win matches for teams. Frankly, Arsenal were there for the taking at Anfield and a lack of change in personnel and tactics cost Liverpool all three points. More importantly it could have potentially cost them a place in next year's top European competition.

Never has a true word been spoken...

Curled1

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:54:06
What is the chance of Raffa taking the Chelsea job, given AVB current form.
Surley he would jump at the chance to manager us again. I will given Kenny his due he has done his best, but we are so far behind the top 4 teams its shocking.
We all know its been shown on record that the board wanted a top 4 finish this seasson given the money spent. Surley it is time to get Raffa back for us, not see him go to Chelsea.

In Raffa we trust?

rushdentillidie

He's had 1 season for F**k sake, grow up, we are going forward. if we manage to win the FA cup we still would have had agreat season.

Sooty

You Shortminded Fickle Fool!!
Do you not Remember who left us with the terrible squad we are trying to turn around.
If Rafa goes to Chelsea take you support with him kneejerk

Been hoping for rafas return for ages now, rafa done really well with what resources he had avalible and signed some right decent players, torres (when he was good) or carroll? Alonso or Charlie Adam, Lluis Garcia or stewart downing, I feel with a bit more backing rafa could have took this club to the next level!
Lpoolkris

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:51:52
kenny is sh-t get rid of him now HOLD ON did he not win us a cup last week get over it we lost not kennys fault

The cup win was a welcomed bonus. But surley we have not come to thinking Winning the Carling Cup is for us.
A few years ago the so called top teams put out there 2nd teams for this cup. We should be going for the league
This is Anfiled

Work in progress

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:39:55
Never mind Lavezzi, Cavani or any other ' worldie' striker, cos they ain't coming here. For heaven's sake, what is wrong with trying Jordan Rhodes, Matty Tubbs etc? Kenny spent £30 million on Carroll, £30 million! He's been had. We are a trillion miles away from 4th place, never mind winning the Premiership. Just managed to beat an average championship side, on penalties, it's just not good enough. Kenny goes on and on about how well the lads played, the lads lost m8. Another miserable attempt , another season over. I know we won the Carling Cup, but is that enough? Iwant us to challenge for the title, is Kenny the man to take us there? No he ain't. We NEED Jose, before THEY get him , down the road.

30 million, 30 million - 35 million!
Totally agree about Rhodes can't flop anymore than Carroll!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:38:55
BREAK NEWS!!Suarez asked to join the Olympic Diving Team lol.

King Kenny.

Not funny mate get behind the player

jimmy1234

Thought it was very funny.
King Kenny lol.

Well it wasn't.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:37:18
Ahoy - though a few people may wish to read this and assess what they refer to themselves as.

sup·port·er/Noun:

1.A person who approves of and encourages someone or something (typically a public figure, a movement or party, or a policy).

2.A person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team

Todays result was very disappointing and to be honest I have felt we look soft at the back too oftern, just look at last week in the final few minutes.

I will continue to encourage and wish success for my team - as per the definition of supporter.

Henderson was excellent today, he continues to improve and is startign to look competitive, plus he has a fantastic attitude.

How many 21 year old Liverpool boys can say they knocked out the bitter blue Arteta !!!!!!!!!

BOILED ONIONS

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:35:33
Ed there are rumours that there was a bust up in the dressing room after the game between some players and kenny. Have you heard anything about this? {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers - I would suggest ignoring anything yo read on Twitter.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:35:10
Yes very dissappointed today but you have to be realistic, we were by far the better team but just can not finish. Nothing Kenny can do apart from come on himself and put them away. We all know we need a goal poacher but the January market was not good. The biggest thing annoying me is when stevie is not on the pitch and we get a pen, why do we have two or three players argueing who is going to take it? I'm sure Adam did not help dirks chances from the spot today and dirk would always be my choice after stevie. Charlie needs to realise he is now a small fish in a big pond, he was only interested in laying his own demons to rest. The team comes first at anfield Charlie and dirk knows that!

Gally

Maybe adam wants the pen and shows enthusiam to take it cos he wants to prove himself to ppl who bitch and moan on here at him.
Better team lost sumtimes it happens.
On to the next

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:27:33
Eds or Macca,

do you reckon Dalglish's job maybe under threat if we dont get CL?

i personally wouldn't trust him with that amount of cash again after the majority of the player he has bought have been flops.

there was also a report of a bit of a bust up in the dressing room just after game,anything on this?


cheers. {Ed002's Note - I have given my view on this plenty of times. There is little point in dragging it up again whilst everyone is still suffering from PGTF.}

Should be dont you think? 2 years out the CL would have been unthinkable few years ago. Over the last 3 years we have just got worse each seasson, and now we just look like a mid table team. The league never lies, KD has done his best but i alway thought he was a stop gap and should have gone at the end of last seasson. for me the whole squd needs a overall. People say we have bought teh ebst of british, but just look at the england team!
But heres hoping we do well in cup, like other posters we should now give the young players time in the league now as we have nothing to play for, and the experince would do them good.

I think its a fair question.

we haven't made as much progression as people think we have. ws are practically in the same predicament as last year.

after spending ALOT of money on players,we still need a lot of squad improvements.

our home form is nothing short of embarrassing.

we're in the bottom five teams of the top 5 leagues in europe for chance conversion,which is incredible.

Kenny's tactic's are questionable too,not to mention his spending.

would you give him another 50-100M if it was your cash?

if anybody but Dalglish was in charge the criticism would be alot louder.

this was FSG fear in appointing him in the first place.

they are known to be ruthless with managers for the Red Sox...

i wouldnt be overly shocked if Kenny was let go at the end of the season.

with other teams improving and signing CL quality players there's a chance of us getting left behind. buying second rate players again.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:25:38
anyone shed light on dressing room bust up

4 fish were battered

Really there was no dressing room bust up only the twet machine in overdrive

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:22:21
Been saying it all season, but Downing, Adam and Carroll will never be good enough for Liverpool. Slowly people are realising I, and a few others, were not 'Mancs' or just being negative, but were right on the money. How far down do we still have to slip?

Ash

Add Henderson & Carroll to the list

Ash

Stop slating certain individuals. The whole team was quality today. it was a brilliant Liverpool performance.

mighty reds

Yes, when we struggle to remain in the top 10...mark my words, it will be a struggle for us to remain in the top 10 with Norwich, Stoke and WBA all hungry and in better form than us...we can all look back on our wonderful performances throughout the year.

This ain't horsehoes mate...close just doesn't cut it. If we aren't winning, we are losers and no matter how good we look doing it, it doesn't change the fact that we are losers.

It's that complacent attitude from fans on this site and KK that will keep us mid table at best.

Have to disagree with the poster that said the whole team played well today Alot of the team played well a few did'nt!

Really Ash, give up. They will simply not listen. Even a layman cud figure out carrol, adam r sh**e.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:20:28
edds wats all this about dressing room bust up? {Ed002's Note - It will be from Twitter no doubt - just ignore it.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:14:06
Couple of things have been bothering me all season and I'm not sure why we haven't fixed them-

- In general, our delivery on set pieces and corners has been awful. We're more apt to hit the first man than do anything positive with it. We need to find someone who can actually put a good ball in with some pace on it.

- I have no idea why we seem to have quite a few center mids on staff, yet none of them ever seem to be attacking. Whether we're playing with 2 or 3 of them, it doesn't seem to matter as they're largely never much in the attacking third.

- Penalty taking has been absolutely dreadful.

I'll leave finishing out as that's a more difficult thing to fix, but surely the above 3 are within our control?

Hopefully now some of the fringe players will get some more time to try and shine and we'll do well in the FA Cup. Summer should certainly be interesting, if nothing else.

RDL

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:10:59
Did owners not say at the start of the season that finishing outside the top 4 would be a shame. Given the investment that was made in the summer.
Does anybody know if this is still the case, as a top 4 finish is all but gone?
Kenny has done Ok given what he took over and with the cups. But the league form has been shocking.
If he was to leave at the end of the seasson, would we be in a position to bring in a top manager?

Intresting times ahead i think.

Just because you spend money doesnt mean have a divine right to finish top four. people need to get realistic and look where we was this time last year.

mighty reds

What about the year before that and that, or doesnt that matter?

To mighty red's same number of game's 42 point's 7th goin on 6th!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 18:03:23
We played 120 minutes against Cardiff, Most players were away on International duty and Dalglish decides to wait until the 88th minute to make a substitution, He really baffles me sometimes, Im afraid to say i dont think he has what it takes, Yes he was great in the past for us, Nut his signings have been shocking, Over 100 million for Carroll, Adam, Downing, Henderson and Coates, Its just a shambles. Carragher is not up to it anymore, If he loved the club then he would retire, He is costing us points, Neville retired at United when he knew he was past it, There's no shame in it and it would be better for him to retire a legend than to retire not been liked becasuse the amount of posts on here giving him grief is shocking. We needa major over haul in the summer, Kenny needs to go, Id get rid of Adam, Carroll, Henderson, Kuyt, Johnson, Downing and Suarez, To be honest i never wanted Suarez at our club since the 1st day we signed him, He was nothin but trouble in Holland for Ajax and he has been nothing but trouble since he signed for us, He just keeps bringing shame on our club, But what should you expect from a player who bites another player on the pitch ? Im not even gonna get into the whole Evra thing, And our goal record is shocking, we have only scored 30 goals in 26 games this season, Only wigan, bolton, QPR, Everton and Stoke have scored less than us, its ridiculous, We have no chance of champions league and i dont know what sort of players will want to sign for us in the summer after such a bad season, fair enough we won the carling cup, but we just barely beat a championship cardiff team on pens after a 2-2 draw after 120 minutes, we should be beating the likes of cardiff 5-0, Im just really dissapointed at this stage, Ive been supporting Liverpool for about 45 years, Ive had some great times but for the last 20 years im constantly saying to myself ''Next year is our year'' We need drastic changes now. Davey

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:57:04
4th position- bye see you next season

beautiful football- hey! welcome back!

piccolo

Are you sure will see 4th position next season?

After all DC said we wil spend no money and this lot will take us nowhere in the EPL (maybe in cup competitions we'll do okay)

Ya i am sure with just a finisher added in the squad, it would work wonders...sad to say but i think kuyt will most likely move on and we will buy a right sided poacher to replace him...cheers

piccolo

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:51:07
We are our own worst enemies, as proved today.

The chances we've created have been sublime, but our inability to finish them and bury a game when the chance is there is making us haemorrhage points.

Not clinical enough when it matters. Our goal was fantastic build up play, and to prove my point, we needed Koscielny to finish it off for us, otherwise we probably wouldnt have.

There is no one to point the finger at in particular, everybody just needs to be more ruthless. We squander chance after chance, and what do we expect?

Some of our play today was unbelievable and that deserves recognition, but that boils down to nothing if it doesn't have an end result. Players like van Persie only need one chance and they will punish you, we need about 20 for some reason.

We have quality aplenty in our squad, and I'm not calling for a whole squad shuffle and influx of players, just for us to not be so complacent and take a game by the scruff of the neck and kill the bloody thing before we look back in regret.

Having said that, luck is against us and been denied so many times by the post. We didn't deserve the penalty though to be fair, maybe that's justice. Not that man utd have ever cared about that, but I for one take no pride or solace in scoring from a penalty we didn't deserve.

Guess it's europa for us next season, but why not take it seriously and try and win it like we did for the Carling Cup? Maybe we're trying to do too much too soon, maybe we're setting our expectations too high. Yes, we've spent a lot. But how much did Man City have to spend until they got into europe? £150m without wages or so? Just a thought.

Mr Controversy

Liverpool have spent around 150 million aswell tho I just think the wrong players were bought.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:44:54
I note your hero, and goal machine Mr Suarez didn't take a penalty in the shootout last week, and didn't step up and take responsibility for the penalty today.

Two words...bottle job!

Sir Alex x

City took a 5 point lead in the title race this afternoon. Oh dear, ditto...bottle job!

Must be hard for Utd fans to realise the only competition they can win is the "Europa League"..

LFC_7

Have you wrote this from wembley fergie lad. As your obsession with LFC took you there last week. only way you will get there this season.

mighty reds

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:43:51
I have just got back from today's game,and have been reading through the posts. It doesn't surprise me that my fellow fans are disappointed with the result,but I don't agree with the view of certain fans, that it was Kenny's fault that the game was lost.I have said it for a long time that Imo Carra, will soon become the scapegoat for our failure to move forward.He will always be a legend in my eyes,but Kenny should have played Coates in Aggers absence,only because Skrtle plays better on the right side.We play deep with jamie's lack of pace. Teams know how to play against us as they keep it tight and hope for a bit of luck at both ends of the pitch.I would have gone with Shelvey instead of Spearing, because he is out of the game as soon as he's turned.I think Lucas as been severely missed since his injury.I think Kenny should let Comolli have the final say on who comes in this summer, Adam and Carroll have been the biggest of let downs.We overpaid for Downing,and Hendo as a lot to learn.He does have lots of ability,but I think he needs to have a bit more confidence in what he can do,especially around the box.I still think 4th is a possibility,but I am not has confident as I was before this game. We should have beaten them easily.We could have been at least 3 goals in front at half time. Any way keep the faith in Kenny and the boys.

Jiminy Cricket

Really 4th place is about as realistic as Messi signing for us in the summer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:38:22
Atleast we won a trophy. We r champions, gooners will always be nearly-champions. Ur gonna get whipped at anfield.
Indian Buzzer
__________________
yes, u r carling cup champion(i wont call it mickey cup coz i admit it hurt when we lose to bham last year)..and yes, we r not winning anything for a years (but always in top 4 n CL).
but for ur last statement,lol..haha

FlyingGunman :)

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:33:41
Overall today its difficult to complain,we completely dominated the game,played some lovely one touch football,had a little bit of our usual bad luck with the woodwork and the penalty save.Think it was 13
corners to none for them.
What is apparent and hopefully it is to management and the owners is that money has to be spent on a prolific goalscorer,RVP was the reason 3 pts went to Arsenal today.The statistics are quite scary he has scored 25 league goals this season our top scorer has 6.Thats the difference between Champions League and failure,we should have bought a top striker in the window and had he performed and scored regularly would have repaid most of the fee with the Champions League money.
Derek

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:31:52
as much as I want to moan theres no point, yes we were the better side, but we just couldnt score. If we had a striker like van persie we would be quite easily 4th, but we havent.

imo, just try to win everygame from now on and we will see what happens.

Spurs will fall apart, chelsea dont want to win... and arsenal always have a shakey end to the season

Being very optimistic about all the London club's!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:22:08
if u were the manager, wud u appoint a new captain n vice-captain next season? Carra will probably be gone n gerrard with all his injury problems, wud no longer be a regular starter?
Indian Buzzer

Hopefully you are wrong on both counts

No i hope Carragher retire's next season!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:28:16
Get robbie fowler in to teach our players how to finish
it quite simple if we had scored at least half of the shots that had hit the post we would be in 4th place by now and the panalties are just awfull, but it is again the problem of not being able to finish
SORT IT OUT!!!!

Kanos

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:25:42
Who thinks that Dalglish should be sacked?

Believe = Sacked
Unbelievable = Stay

Stay for aslong as he's able .. No-one better in world football for our club Lee YNWA

What a idiot

And u call yourself an lfc supporter,?idiot,cant you see the bigger picture.this season is about progress.jack.a.

We have just won our first trophy in 6 yrs and Muppet's want to sack the manager.We are one win away from another Wembley visit and 3 wins fro another trophy .Champions league would be great next season,and if we don't make it I will be disappointed, but if we miss out and win 2 cups how can you justify sacking the manager.

Jiminy Cricket

Get lost loser

I dont recall you asking this moronic question last week.

Derek

Sacked? It is not his fault the players can't finish. In his short time in charge he has completely transformed us, plus we have added a significant amount to our academy. All we need is one player who can score, and one who has pace and can swing in crosses from the right side. Sacking him now would be a step in the wrong direction
Mark.

How come no one posted this question last sunday? You know the same sunday Kenny Dalglish lead Liverpool the their first trophy in six years, now obviously i'm very disappointed with the result against a very poor Arsenal side but no good sulking.

always a red

Not sacked, the guy is a legend.

If he does go in the summer it should be a 'mutual consent' decision to step down.

Adam

Bring back Raffa

Because of his achievements as a player and manager, Dalglish is the only manager who enjoys unequivocal support from both the senior and new players, british and foreign, and maintain discipline and harmony in the dressing room. SingRed

Kenny has picked this club up from its knees what a great job he is doing.

mighty reds

Actually we we're 3 point's better off this time last season! no cup's but 3 point's better off!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:14:53
Charlie Adam is up there with one of the worst players I have ever seen at this level. Looks like a middle aged bloke trying to catch his wind in a game of 5 aside! He gets shown up so bad at this level. At the end of the day he is a Rangers reject.
The Gooch

The Gooch i am just wandering if you have played at this level. Adam had another solid game today and i would give him 7 out of 10 for this season. mighty reds

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:11:41
Well I'm glad we didn't have Europa league this season! Our league position really shows it

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:05:17
Evaluation Over Today

Carra unforunately is past it so we do need to play Coates now
Charlie Adams deliveries we're poor.
Only my opinion but some subs should have been done around 75th min to freshen up team, i would have just left Downing on.

Still dont know why GJ doesnt get a run out at RM??

We need a striker, RM and CM still ! Lucas when fit , Jay Spearing done well but Charlie Adam and Jay Spearing are not exactly gonna frighten anyone !

It just a shame we d had a long game in the cup on Sunday.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:04:23
Again, Spearing was outstanding. Charlie Adam might be a good passer..but he turns around and moves like a Tank. Whats up with out penalties...and the POST! Anyway Thank god we are not chelsea!

Chelsea are 7 points above us, Have scored 17 goals more than us and have a goal differnce of +15, we are +5.

Spearing wasn't that great mate, He spent most of the time shouting and waving his arms and chasing back behind play.It might look good to you,but If your playing a dm role you shouldn't be running after players, you should be stopping them making the run in the first place by not leaving them space to run into.You ever see Hamman play that role. Watch the game again and see how many times he chases his man,whom he has zero chance of catching.Imo Jay is not good enough for any top 4 team.A great lad ,but not a great player.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 17:01:47
At least it's very obvious what we need for next year. (a goal scorer) the rest of the team is more or less ok.
Most of our rivals need a lot more than that. Arsenal where poor today apart from rvp.
We were brilliant today apart from the ability to score. Just like all season.
Very frustrating being a Liverpool supporter at times, especially when we know the potential of some of our players.
If Suarez had scored that goal he would be the new messi, if Kelly had scored that terrible miss we would of buried arsenal. If we had not hit the post 20 odd times this year we would be a lot higher in the table.
Our league position is a false one, I hope we iron out the creases before September.
I don't think I am being too optimistic by saying if we get a decent striker and a right winger in we will be back in the top 4 next year. But I feel it's beyond us now this year.

MIKEY

League positions are rarely "false" We are where we deserve to be. If you can't score, you can't win.

We got lucky against Cardiff - Miller missed at the end. We ran out of luck today - RVP doesn't miss.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:58:22
Eds, do you suspect some of the youngsters might get more playing time this season with certain players injured or in poor form? {Ed001's Note - like who? None are ready and could end up knocking the stuffing out of them in terms of confidence if they come in and play poorly. The only youngster that looks anywhere near ready, that isn't out on loan, is Suso, even he is borderline at best.}

Coates instead of cara?

I think Sterling should be called up, play him a few games.

Ed001 - Playing for the reserves when some of the first team are inconsistent is a great aid to their confidence. We won't know if they are good enough until they get a chance.
DM2102 {Ed001's Note - I understand what you are saying, that is why so many get chances to go out on loan and prove themselves. Only Shelvey has ever shown anything like the ability to play for the first team (though Silva is in early days of his loan and isn't doing badly at all so far!). The rest have proven that they were not ready for first team action with us. Physically most of our kids are just not up to it, not as in they aren't big or tall or strong enough. I mean as in physically developed enough to cope with the demands of first team football, so as not to cause long term injury problems like Owen suffered. That is what is holding back most of them, including Sterling.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:58:16
I posted something similar earlier in the season........

How many games are we going to dominate in terms of possession, corners, efforts on goal, hitting the post etc and come away with only a draw or a defeat?

You can put 1-2 games down to luck, but for the rest there is either something that is being done that shouldn't be or something not being done that should.

Are the right tactics being used?
Are the right formations being used?
Are substitutions being done at the right time and are the right players involved?
Is more specific training needed - finishing, penalties etc?

Questions have to be asked and answers have to be found.

I think the overall quality of the squad has improved no-end in the last year and we obviously couldn't jump from the quality of players we had to top-drawer in one go. It will have to be done in stages and will be over the course of 3-5 transfer windows.

We have had 2 so far and are not far away from having a team to challenge for the title.

We badly need a goal scorer (Fowler, Torres, Owen type that can carry a team on the goals they score - similar to Van Persie and Arsenal at the moment).

We also need one more creative type player/winger.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:52:51
I would like to be a fly on the wall of the Fenway boardroom in the next few hours.

The words 'damage limitation' springs to mind.

We only just beat Cardiff. Don't forget that ?

Why was Maxi not used today, and Bellamy coming on so late ?

Pretend you are not a Liverpool supporter. Just a football fan. Then look at the situation from that point of view.

I think he came on so late because we had 8 minutes of injury time and Bellamy has a knee condition that needs to be managed.

MIKEY

I spoke to a mate of mine earlier who is not a Liverpool supporter but is a football fan and his opinion on today's game was "you should have been out of sight by half time"
How does this sit with your argument?

And the score was ?
The idea of the game is to put the ball in the net. Discussion about possession is pointless.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:50:52
The team played well. Kuyt was outstanding alongside Suarez. Special mention to Hendo and Downing. Right amount of grit, no luck, wrong result. Maybe we should break the bank and offer top wages to bring in one quality striker and RW? These misses, it's getting serious, very serious indeed...
SingRed

It was as a complete performance as you will get without putting the ball away whole team was superb.

mighty reds

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:50:39
just wana say gutted today lads done well but again not good enough in the box we need a RVP.everyone played well even henderson who has been like a headless chicken all season i really wana trust king kenny but we have to look at who bought in the players in the summer if it was damien camolli then he,s got to be sacked and if it was kenny there has to be a serious enquiry as to if he can spend even more money in the summer.do we want the likes ov downing henderson and carroll at our famous club ?? have they really been good enough ?? in my opinoin NO i would die for the red shirt i really do think they dont really care coz id run through brick walls for that team am gutted as a fan we had a chance this season to get back in the top four no european football didnt help our cause at all and i really think it would have i really hope we get behind the team as much as we can i know some of the players we bought have been a big dissapointment :-( but were liverpool fc were bang in a storm but am sure if we stick together we will once again be a force YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:47:53
I have to be honest and say todays game was the last chance in my opinion if gaining what was already unlikely top 4 spot. I did not think we would make it at the start of the season but got carried away with the exciting talk of transfers to the point i thought we might.

I have to say i hate all this negative talk about Daglish not being fit for the job that i see on here and other sites. I wish people were no so fickle! Why are people so ready to forget how the likes of Sir Fersuson was on his way out the door when Kenny was last in management for us, and look how well he has proved his worth! Kenny will and is the right man. What we need is stability not another foreign manager that does not know anything about the clubs history or philosophy. Greatness takes time not 1-2 seasons!

In saying this my only complaint about todays game really was (and i love for someone to share their thoughts about it) why we left it so late to put our subs on? And maybe that Bellamy didnt start or get 30 minutes or more?

Maybe it was only me but i got the feeling Kenny wanted those players to prove their worth and that maybe he is so sick and tired of some of our missed chances that he was doing a character study and deciding which players he may not play any time soon again? Perhaos not though

Gareth

I was wondering that as well when it got 2 70 minutes. Where the heck was bellars?!
I think Kenny thought the team wer doing good and did not want to upset the momentum.

abz-lfc

Gareth, I will never ask for Kenny to go-no chance!  He's definitely the right man for the job, as are Clarky and Keen.  We seem to make the wrong decisions at the most crucial moments....ALOT.  I agree with you that he likes players to prove themselves, but we were dominating and bringing on fresh legs would or could have made a difference....Bellamy, Maxi have earned that opportunity I think!

In my humble opinion, we are right up there in general build up and creating chances as we've seen all season.  We just can't find the net - the frustration is all based around that!  Our defence is immense, creativity is there(even without a RW!), we're just not quite there yet.. :(. 

What is clear tho, is that there is a very strong bond within our team.  Let's keep that bond as fans and look forward to what looks like to be, a very strong and dangerous team.  

Lee YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:26:09
Ed, 2 questions
1) Is there any truth in the apparent bust up at FT?
2) Di you think we still can get 4th?

{Ed002's Note - (1) No idea, sorry. (2) It is getting more difficult week by week. If Cheslea win today it will be very tough.}

Heard nothing of a bust up

We have no chance of top 4 and have nothing to do with chelsea, cant see us winning 4 more games than Arsenal, can you.
Roy

Why do people think CL is even a remote possibility. Stop hoping and dreaming...titles, cups and, in this case, 4th place is not left to chance--it comes down to winning.

Earlier in the year when we were 'only' 3 points out of 4th, so many posts about how we were contenders. I posted that the number of points we are behind is less important than the number of TEAMS we were behind (NFC, Chelsea and Arsenal).

The reality was and is our win percentage is shockingly low so, why would you even think we would suddenly leapfrog the other teams.

Without a catalyst (e.g. a striker during the transfer window) there is no reason to think our form will mysteriously and suddenly change in the 2nd half of the season...and it hasn't...and it won't.

We are a 7th place team (at best).

Though Chelsea have lost, I think it strengthens Arsenal spot at 4th more than anything. We are way behind now, its almost impossible now for us to achieve 4th spot this season.

We're not a seventh placed team, I know what your saying but and I know it's a but we only need a couple of signings. I wish they'd got Llorente or mario Gomez instead of pin the tail on his head Carroll

But we never! what can ya do?

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:24:27
We have no chance of 4th so lets give chances to the likes of Coates. We are in Europe so lets use the rest of the season wisely.

Roll on FA cup but we are going to have to play better than today.


Steve068

Im pi**ed off with kenny. Why the f**k wasnt coates playing? Doesnt he realise carra is finished? Give the guy a grand farewell n play coates as regularly as possible, since there is no hope for top4.
Indian Buzzer

Unfortunately, Carra probably cost us the game. We cannot risk playing him again. A complete liability now.

Reina cost us the game


Should have came out for the cross that lead to RVP first goal

How did RVP get the ball between Reina and the post, it had slide rule accuracy and poor goalkeeper written alll over it, once again the second goal was down to reina

Reina should of done alot better than he did with both goal's but Carragher was at fault for me!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:23:57
At least now we can all be realistic and accept that it's Europa League football next season unfortunately.

We have won only 5 league points this year - out of a possible 21 i.e. we have lost 16 league points already in 2012, and we're only at the beginning of March ! This is one of the worst points totals in the Premiership this year.

We had 14 shots today with only 4 on target = 28.7% - they had 10 shots with 7 on target = 70% accuracy. Their accuracy rate was 2.5 times better than ours.

Liverpool have forgotten how to defend a lead.

In all the score draws at Anfield this season we scored first. We couldn't keep the lead against Cardiff last week when we went 2-1 up.

Let's not forget, we didn't beat Cardiff last week, it was 2-2, we lost to Utd the weekend before, and we have lost again this weekend. Our slide in the table will continue unless we start to win games.

It's still very tough times ahead, and we are not worldbeaters because we win a Mickey Mouse cup.

We can keep saying how unlucky we are, but the league table doesn't lie.

KBL

Let me ask you this then 'mr stats man', how many times have we been denied by the post or crossbar this season? Probably the highest in the league.

and, of those chances, how many of those games would have rescued points for us had they gone in? I'd dread to think.

It's not all about skill, we have just been devastatingly unlucky.

If you hit the woodwork week in week out, it is not "unlucky". It means you consistently miss the target.

It should be 22-23 times after today, if the Sky Sports stats on us hitting the post/crossbar are true. I think the closest behind us was on around 14. 22 extra goals this season would have been brilliant!

credg

Yes but hitting the frame of the goal is still classed as off target! ever heard of the saying so close yet so far! so all the talk of hitting the goal frame is immaterial! did we score? No! end of

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:17:31
HUGE bust up in #LFC dressing room. Big rift between British based/manager & foreign players

And how would you know

So you basically mean reina Enrique skrtel Kuyt Suarez V kenny carra Kelly Adam hendo spearing and downing
Load of bullcrap

And just to be controversial... Which of the 2 groups above (foreign or British) would you you defend based upon performance?

Danski

Load of rubbish mate - no detail - no name - no brain - no story.

This shows passion. We should only get really worried when they put a bust up to Roy Hodgson!
DM2102

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:17:20
Please stop giving my fellow scot Queen Kenny so much stick.
I think he has transformed your team this season with some excellent signings such as Henderson, Adam, Carroll and Downing.
A wonderful array of talent if there ever was one.
I also think Carragher should keep playing forever as he marked RVP so well today and showed his true class and pace.
Please please please don't ever sack Kenny, i'm behind you Kenny.


Sir Alex x

Go away you Sky Sports era, prawn sandwich eating glory hunter.  You try and pretend that you're witty and intelligent...but sadly (as most Mank fans) lack any intelligence or originality to pull it off.  Lee YNWA

Fergie is right your fans are not very good.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:12:00
32RED @32Red_LFC
Anfield source: "British players firmly behind Dalglish, but likes of Reina & Suarez questioning decisions. Suarez had a pop at Kelly"

Its lies made up by spam fans on twitter

The only question Pepe should be asking is how he let in the second goal by v Persie. SingRed

And the only question Carragher should be asking is why he still gets to play.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:09:51
My view you lost haha no champions league for you boys again mid table team at best.

Lfc your a bit quiet mate what's wrong I'll be on the man utd page if you want to talk

Ross

Splattered all over it hopefully.
DM2012

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:07:40
Can i just say some of peoples post on here are disgraceful. We put in a great performance today.
some fans need to learn to take the good with the bad.

Reina made two great saves from walcott and a deflected shot today. not a lot he could do about both goals. our whole team played well. Dont single players out they were superb today.

We are building very nicely, Kenny took over when we were eighth from bottom and FSG took over when the club was on its knees. Kenny has already delivered a trophy within 12 months of being in charge. We are in a quarter final and a chance of fourth but will be very difficult.

To slag everybody off when we lose people should take a hard look at themselves and ask if they are true supporters. Learn to take the good with the bad. Its a damm tough game.

CARLING CUP CHAMPIONS 2012.

Mighty reds

Good performance but with better finishing we could easily have won it, especially if the pen went in. Same story, lots of chances but no end product.

Have to disagree, Reina was beaten at his near post for the winner and should have done better in my book!

Iggypop

Also hit the post twice the gooners came and played like stoke and got to lucky breaks rvp what can you say what a player.
k-h

 

 

03 Mar 2012 16:01:37
No striker signed in jan was a big mistake. The manager is close to useless. Rubbish players signed for silly money ,rubbish tactics bring bellers on in the 89 min well done kenny great call, nearly lost a cup final by a team in a lower division. And to top if all of he calls it a rewarding game. Look at the table and tell me thats progress.A carling cup is not enough if we finish 7th. No progress and millions wasted the league is our bread and butter we need a new manager who is not stuck in the 80's.

We need new fans who are not stuck in the playground, clown

We dont need plastic fans supporting our great club.

Bang on! Not all KK's fault but, his team selection is mind boggling at times. The scouting staff has to be held accountable: Adam, Carroll, Henderson?? What were they thinking??

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:57:10
Really disappointed today, we should have been out of sight in the 1st half.

For all our good passing, creativity and good play, we have no cutting edge! Van Persie converted a clear cut chance and a half chance, and our goal was an OG!

Carragher could have done better with the goals, but we should never have given them the opportunity to win the game. Dirk's penalty and follow up, Kelly missing an open goal we're clear opportunities add to that hitting the post twice, Szencey(sp) save from Luis. There were plenty more openings too.

Reina had no chance for either goal
Kelly looked untroubled
Skrtel was a rock, definitely a contender for our player of the season
Carra was exposed for the 2 goals, but other than that looked ok
Jose was ok, needs to learn how to use his right foot gets himself into trouble being so 1 footed
Henderson was ok, really good cross for the OG, put in some dangerous balls, worked hard
Spearing was ok, committed in the tackle, simple in his passing
Adam was disappointing, poor set piece, poor passing in the Arsenal half, missed a huge opportunity to put Hendo through in the 2nd half
Downing looked good in the 1st half, disappeared in the 2nd. I often complain when he comes off his wing-but he did it effectively for the goal to put Hendo through, still he looks more dangerous when he stays on his wing.
Kuyt, the penalty apart played well. Really good movement all day, his touch let him down at times but a decent performance. Up front is definitely his best position
Suarez, in the 1st half, the lad was back. He was close to unplayable, 2nd half was not so effective. He needs more support other than Kuyt, we had no-one running beyond the front two which meant he had to create his own chances.

KK should have made changes, Shelvey for Adam and Bellamy for Downing, should have been changes made which could have won the game. Carroll and Maxi looked really happy to watch from the sidelines stretching their calves... KK goes on about our squad being strong, why did he not use it...

I'm happy we won the Carling Cup last week, but the league is our bread and butter and in the league we have not been good enough. 4th place looks unlikely now, and we're already in the Europa next season. 6th place and Cup, would people have been happy with that at the start of the season? I wouldn't... I don't think KK would have either.

RedSG

Intelligent post i thought kuyt was superb and reina could've saved the second one but i'll not hold it against him apart from that i agree totally

Disagree, reina should not have been beaten at the near post for the second.

Iggypop

Mate did you see hendersons cross? it was awfull. only cos the arsenal player messed up totally that it went in. henderson is playing really poor for you. charlie adam thinks hes in hollywood with the passes he tries. carragher is finished. carrol has no confidence, suarez wants out and gerrard is always injured.

Bad times for your "big club." Brilliant times in manchester though...........

jamesmack8

Why is it brilliant in manchester what has manchester celebrated this season?

mighty reds

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:45:06
Liverpool vs Arsenal Review


Reina - Truth be told he didn't have a whole lot to do. Did well when he was called upon but was helpless for both goals.

Enrique - Was very solid at the back, dominated Walcott all afternoon. Didn't get forward as much as I might like but overall a good game.

Skrtel - Rock solid as usual, didn't put a foot wrong, tackled hard, played well.

Carragher - Was massivey at fault for the first goal because he simply allowed van Persie to get ahead of him. 2nd goal possibly at fault as well because wasn't tight. Against weaker opposition he can still be useful but against players of van Persie's ilk he doesn't look good enough.

Kelly - I thought he played well, was solid at the back and tried getting forward when possible and looked dangerous doing so. The only negative was the sitter he missed from a Kuyt cross.

Downing - played decently and whipped a few balls over but really is predictable, always looks to cut in then run the wing, Sagna knew this and made his impact limited Had a great chance to square the ball for Suarez in the 2nd half and fluffed it.

Spearing - Solid if unspectacular. Seems to be used as a defensive midfielder but doesn't impact enough on the game and certainly does break the play up enough, not convinced he is good enough.

Adam - diabolical. So poor I was tearing my hair out. If we bought him for his set pieces alone then we were robbed blind. Gave the ball away so many times today it was untrue - always tried the spectacular pass and very rarely succeeds, if he is to be our midfielder for the next few years then I am very worried.

Henderson - much improved performance after the derision he suffered for his Carling Cup exploits. Got forward well, looked to take players on, distribution was much improved. he has a lot of work to do but there is a lot of potential there, hopefully he can realise it.

Kuyt - worked tirelessly for the entire game, linked up well with Suarez and was a constant danger. Very unlucky not to score in the first half. Definitely plays his better football up front. Missed his penalty and didn't leave the rebound to Henderson who would have buried it, a costly miss.

Suarez - Was always lively, constantly threatening, won a penalty and had a few chances which, on another day, might have found the back of the net. The only negative was a lack of a goal.

Bellamy - introduced late on but did nothing of note, in truth his introduction was far too late in the game to expect any sort of an impact.

Carroll - brought on even later than Bellamy and thus had no time to do anything of note.

Dalglish - tactically I thought we were set up well today, the dominance we displayed in the first half is a testament to that. However, he took far too long to implement changes and left players on the pitch who were not contributing in the last 20 minutes. Once again we were 'unlucky' today, after creating the majority of the chances we failed to score a goal and that proved to be the difference between the two teams - Arsenal had a player who only needed 2 chances to score 2 goals.


Conclusions - We can once again say that we were unlucky, the better team, deserved more, etc etc but realistically this game was crucial. We will not achieve 4th place now which means another season out of the Champions League. Sooner or later we cannot blame our luck but simply have to concede that we were not good enough on the day for whatever reason.

This result should serve as a reminder for those running the club that we are a long way off being a team capable challenging at the very top and that significant investment is required in the summer. We are not a team who is close to being complete, there are many areas that need close attention, the sooner we accept that the better.

Finally... not signing a goalscorer in January may prove costly but if we fail to sign one in the summer than it will be disastrous. We have not replaced Torres yet, that should be our priority. Additionally Adam is not good enough, I hope the management realise this.

SMc

Agreed with most everything you've said except the bit about Reina. He probably should have stopped the 2nd one and maybe come out for a punch on the first. I have a feeling neither would have gotten past Szczesny.

Agree about adam. My brother's a spam fan n he was having a real good laugh when adam had the ball, or rather lost the ball. Absolutely terrible. Nothin more than a squad player.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:43:47
what a load of bollaux. adam was rubbish, kelly poor (should be played at centre back, and bellamy bought on in 87th minute.
kenny just got it all wrong

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:42:40
Maxi not involve in final. and not today ? Coates not give much chance to grow up there is time when we are 4-1 up you should give the boy a run and gain experience. if sit on bench then he will not learn anything. for me Falgano is better then Kelly as a right back

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:40:37
If we can spend 35 mil and Carroll and not get very much why didn't we take a chance on Jordan rhodes we need a finisher

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:35:20
Well, CL is certainly gone as a possibility baring a complete meltdown at Chelsea, Arsenal, and Newcastle. That said, focus on the FA Cup and start bringing in the youngsters. Give Shelvey, Coates, Suso, Sterling, etc. some valuable game time as it's about the only thing positive we can take from this season into next. Owners are going to have to invest more than might want to in the summer if they really have ambitions for a top 4 spot, unfortunately.

Trying to stay positive, I thought the overall passing and movement of the team was quite good. Other than that, though, not a whole lot else to be said as the faults were blindingly obvious. Worst part is having to listen to gloating Gooners who were so poor themselves it wasn't even funny.

RDL

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:35:03
Jordan has scored up to now (rhodes not Henderson)!
DM2012

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:33:16
I dont really want to experience another transfer window under Daglish, sorry to say but we should give him till the end and unless he pulls 4th place out is a** then we really look for someone else with a good track record at the top. Sad but its for the good of the club if we really want to go places. 100m spent = 7th place and the mickeymouse cup ,although it was a great feeling to win silver ware, i just want to be in the champions league again :'(

Pete

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:31:02
hi eds, fellow reds! Once again we dominated the whole match aside from the 2 goals by Van Persie who btw is in very very good form. We had loads of chances, again we didnt take advantage of them. We even had to get help from Koncscielny to score. Our pass and move strategy was working the whole time. It's our final ball and finishing that's killing us. And maybe a bit of bad luck with us hitting the pole again! I think everyone did great aside from Adam. Pepe was great especially with Walcott's deflected effort. Could do nothing with Van Persie's 1st, although do you think he could've done better with the Van Persie's near post volley? moving on, Kelly did good defending and overlapping although his crosses were poor. Carra I think was at fault on Van Persie's 1st allowing him to run past him goal side. I think he did better afterwards though. Skrtel as usual was the rock of our defense. Jose Enrique did great keeping Walcott on a leash! showed how fast he is when he beat Walcott on a sprint. linked up well with Downing also. Henderson played better this time considering he was played at RW again. Spearing was awesome specially during the 1st half where he broke up counter attacks and played good.forward passes. Adam I think was the flop of the match, abysmal long balls and gave the ball away too much. good low cross from left wing though which resulted to Kuyt's shot that hit the post. Downing was good, I think he's played better these past 3 games, growing in confidence which is what he truly needs. Suarez was my man of the match tormenting Varmaelen and Konscielny, although I do believe the penalty was a dive! also should stick to the play instead of rolling over everytime, he's so good with ball, turning and outunning everyone that he doesnt need those antics! lastly Kuyt who worked his arse off again! had good link up with suarez with those 1-2's. I think his penalty was not bad but could've done better. Great save from Schesny though! all in all this has been our story this season not taking our chances! it will be almost impossible to get 4th now but.we.should.still give our all and maybe we could string a few straight victories and Arsenal and Chelsea slip! We are LIVERPOOL and we never give up! Because here You'll never walk alone!

In the king we trust!
YNWA
FilipinoRED

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:28:49
Im gutted about the result,thought we outplayed them but just couldnt score(for a change),special mention for little Jay Spearing did a good job in the hole,Although arsenal won ide be worried if i supported them with RVP 15 months left on his contract,he wont be there next year.This is also why winning the carling cup was so important because we still a little away from challenging in the league.but with a little more luck or just scoring our pens we would have been a lot closer this year,but this is still a work in practise so a lot to be optimistic about.
Niko72

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:28:48
I think Kenny is the only person to blame for todays defeat, we played well 1st half but for some reason we dropped back 2nd half and Aresnal made us pay and this has been our problem and the shocking tactics all season doesn't help. I'm sure Kenny still thinks we can only make 1 sub, he waits till the end of the game to changes if the game plan doesn't work for 50/​60 mins then changes things nice and early (even Messi can't change a game in 5mins).

We need a tactical manager Please bring back RAFA the guys was a genuis. I feel his time is up
IN KK I DONT TRUST ANYMORE :"(!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheBA300

Roberto Martinez is been kept back late by his Gaffer, Dave Whelan. What's the commute from the Wirral to Wigan like?

Rgds

Rafa B

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:28:25
The only thing wrong today was the result, just unlucky, the movement and effort was great.
Lucky 3 points for Arsenal but I do realise it's goals that count.
kidmillions

That's the only reason, we're seventh atm. We failed to score for almost the whole season. i hope, that would turn around soon. I firmly believe that race for 4th is ove but hope, we can get another cup. YNWA

Effort effort and effort WTF going to do with Effort ? result needed and a 120minute football and lucky shoot out trophy not save kenny's neak. any other manager then sure not with the club. just Resing kenny.

abcd

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:27:30
As a few Pool fans came on our page and said good luck etc, a few kind words...

You were better then us today. Again saved by van Persie. Suarez just needs to be a bit more clinical and he could be fantastic.

You dominated our midfield without Gerrard. We were poor and to be fair you deserved AT LEAST a point.

Unlucky, hope you pull something back from this season you at least have the safety of Europa league football next season from the Carling Cup.

Still valuable points for us. So I can't complain!

Gilo

This is the sort of 'banter' we need. A bit of friendly rivalry and although delighted to 'steal' 3 points no sign of gloating. Thanks Gilo
Dutchmal

Gilo- fair credit to you. Looking to the positives for Arsenal, you've got a fantastic young keeper, Ox looks like he could be a world beater someday, and clearly RvP is amazing even if he only gets a handful of touches in a game. Do hope for your sake you're able to keep him next season, though.

RDL

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:25:28
wtf is kenny thinking when putting on the subs with little time left. kuyt is so rubbish he can't even score a goal to save his life, spearing is not a liverpool player, adam kept falling down like a baby, henderson is useless and carragher is old and useless and can't defend (he is why we lost). why on earth did kenny not start bellamy?. now that's another year without champions league football. we have no european football this season but we still can't take the advantages. what a joke and i can't blame suarez if he leaves because he knows that playing with british flops, won't get liverpool into the champions league. many people say that its been a good season, but i have to say that its been an utter disaster. the carling cup win has not even given the team a single bit of confidence. its a joke because we beaten arsenal away, chelsea away but one of them is going to get top 4 and not us. we need goal scorers.

So many cross today why Carroll not start today ? he is the one who not play midweek. Arsenal have problem on air Ball and our £35m tall striker not playing when he look promising in last 2/3 match ? it's take 80 minute to bring Bellamy what happen ?

r-r

Terrible call
nzl red

Spearing had a great game today

Skrtel is bald, Reiina is bald,Agger is full of tattoos, Kuyt is Dutch, Johnson is a twitter, Enrique needs a shave, Carroll needs a haircut, Suarez has funny ears (and teeth), Gerrard is a bit too fond of Alex, Adam is fond of Reina (always sending the ball in his direction) - Get rid of them all - they're a digrace to LFC
DM2012

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:25:24
I think it's ridiculous the amount "fans" calling for peoples heads again! Even calling for Kenny's P.45, what a joke.

A true fan would recognise that not only have we improved massively as a team from last season, we actually played very well today. If we would of had a goal shark in front of goal, we would of won with ease. Arsenal did have a shark in the form of RVP and that's what made all the difference.

4th was always going to be a tall order lets be honest. Hopefully the management would pull out all stops in buying a 20+ goal a season legend in the summer. Money no object. A quality striker and winger and we'll be pushing top four next season without doubt.

The Crow.

Massively improved with 10 points behind 4th, piss off mate

The last part your dreaming, we'll probably spend 30m onsomeone like Bent and 20m on Jarvis or something ridiculous like that.

Piss off "mate"? Really? I tell you if I had not started supporting Liverpool 9 years ago there is no chance in hell I'd support them now with idiots like you. How can you even claim to be a supporter? Why do you think our players have lacked confidence all season-cause of glory hunting infant fans like you!
Good post Crow, some common sense is always a breath of fresh air
NextGenRed

There's a difference between being a supporter and sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the obvious all in the name of being an LFC supporter.

It doesn't make you less of a supporter just because you call it like it is.

LFC supporter but, our team is crap.

Been going the game for 20 years mate, im a realist, and realistically you dont have a clue if you think where doing well

After a certain time, the "unlucky" excuses get thin. Something is wrong with the team. We are a mid-table team.

We have lost to United and Arsenal. We could not beat Cardiff. If we lose to Stoke our season is over.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:23:24
Am getting so fed up of creating the better chances&still NOT winning at home.It doesnt matter the price KK has to get a top finisher in for next season.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:21:10
Before people start having a dig, I am not one of these 'fans' calling for Dalglish to leave. His return is the best thing to happen to this club in a long, long time. My question is why doesn't he use our sub's to his advantage? There have been plenty of times this season when we have only used one or two subs. We've seen time and time again that subs can change a match, look no further than Kuyt last Sunday. I think if he'd put Bellamy on sooner than he did then we would have caused Arsenal a lot more problems. Vermaelen took a knock and caused a slight injury to his back, imagine Bellamy's speed against a player who would potentially lack mobility due to his back. Yes we were in control of the game, but with 20 minutes left to go, surely we should be looking at out bench, getting some players on the pitch who could make the difference. We are trying to play for 4th place, we shouldn't just accept a draw. Onwards and upwards, we dominated midfield, looked solid. Carra severely lacking fitness and sharpness meaning his positional play was questionable as a result. Suarez looking lively again, Downing and Enrique have a good link-up down the left, we just need to get a right winger in, a goal scorer and a creative midfielder who can split open a defence with a decisive pass. Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson are decent squad players IMO but not who we should be starting to push up the league. We need to start finishing off matches, push up the table, and fingers crossed we can finish fourth! C'mon the Reds!

Joshua.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:18:38
Ed, this needs to be posted on banter. You stupid liverpool fans who come on here saying "we need a new manager, KD is crap because he didn't make a substitution until 88th min". Shut up. That is ridiculous. We were in complete control of the game up until the 82nd minute or so. We were creating chances and we should have put the game to bed. Why sack KD who has gave us our FIRST TROPHY IN 6 YEARS? You people are disgraceful and should go support Man City. Fack off!

BthekingB

Kenny is crap u can support him as he is a great player and was a good manager but this time he is crap

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:17:35
Without summer buys this time last year we was on fire. A year later & with summer big spending it looks like we are worse.

Ironic that all our "big money spending's" were on offensive players. And we struggle to score ...

Take that Kenny, Where is our 35M striker banging in goals eh.., Van Persie alone scored more than the entire Liverpool team. If we can't score form 25 shots then WTF is happening,
We can't wait till the luck arrives.. With all this happening we have a useless striker worth 35M.. LMFAO Carroll out and buy a real 35M striker.

And Commoli, so you are pretty sure we don't need couple of new players for summer, f##k... sell Carroll and recruit some money if you haven't got.. get a f##king proving goal scoring striker ... .also a new midfielder, of course spearing did good but when Adam plays that bad we must have another midfielder better than Adam.

Summer may be a long way off but FSG need to splash cash other wise Europa will be our place. If they can't than so ad not the owners i expected. This time buy some real quality instead of some overrated British crap.
learn something from the signings we made so far and make the choice well.

I hope Kenny doesnt get more money to waste

I wudnt give kenny a single penny to spend if it was my money.
Indian Buzzer

There is a big clue there,Indian Buzzer - 'if it was my money'. It isn't and he isn't going to get much of it anyway. Youth is our future and the youngsters will be more in contention next season. The days of big spending are over. The £20 million players that we will have in a couple of seasons will all have been bought for next to nothing and developed at the club. Be patient.
Dutchmal

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:17:32
Spearing played well today, constantly breaking up the play. The whole front line looked good to me, though obviously lacking end product. Carra wasn't first choice, and lets face it, few can handle V. persie, and Carra is way too slow. The thing that worries me is the constant inclusion of Adam and Henderson. Does Kenny see something I am missing? At best Hendo just runs around. He is a horrible passer, and has no vision. Adam seems to be worse every game. I did not see a single decent deadball from him. I am starting to think Fergie conned us by famously stating that Adam's deadballs were worth 10 million. He is horrendous.

The good news about the game is that we no longer have a chance at 4th, and Europa league is secure so lets start giving the young lads a go. We have nothing to lose. Surely Kenny knows this now.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:17:26
Any natural finishers in the reserves that could be given a run out for the remainder of the season? Ngoo, Morgan... are they anywhere near ready? It's all we're missing. It's that or we buy Huntelaar/Soldado in the summer for huge money.

-Shane.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:13:56
some fans are so stupid,i see people saying coates was a waste of money as well as all the summer buys,people giving out about spearing saying kenny is clueless if he thinks playing spearing is good enough,spearing i think is doing a job for us untill lucas is back from injury.
From the game 2day,i thought carra played well made 2 mistakes and was punished,kelly didnt look sharp but he hasnt been playing in competitive games in a while,so it was expected,i thought adam was terrible 2day,when ever he tries to pass forward its 50/50 whether a liverpool player will get it,i thought spearing,kuyt and downing had decent games,suarez had a good first half but looked tired near the end of the game.
Also everyone giving out about subs coming on too late,we had some great chances things were going well so why would kenny change them!
In the first half we hit the post twice,missed a penalty,missed the rebound,keeper made a great save from suarez,kelly missed from 4 yards,it was not ment to be our day!
Ed do ya think we will buy a goalscorer in the summer?

Quinn {Ed001's Note - yes, we would have bought one if we could have got one we wanted in January.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:13:39
today was proof to all you silly people that keep saying kelly is bettr then johnson wake up cause kelly was shocking today just as bad as king kenny no subs till86 mins come on yeah he has said we played well but wats the score 2 1 arsenal wake up now carrol and bellamy on 60 mins score line prob be different and for gods sake start practiceing pens loosers

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:13:20
I thought we actually played well today.
One of Henderson's best games.
Spearing played well.
Enrique is immense and must surely go down as one of the buys of the season in the whole premier league.
The only slight let-downs were Adam (didn't have the best of games - but did ok in patches) and Reina (he's been looking a bit dodgy all season, but the defence has helped him so much. He only had 3 things to do today, one save and two times picking the ball out of the net. I feel a couple of seasons ago he would have parried that last goal round the post and for their first goal would have come early and punched away.
Downing had a good game.
Kelly played superb up until he somehow missed at the far post. His confidence seemed to drain and he was giving the ball away so often after that for the final 10 minutes.
Bellamy didn't have a chance to do anything. Same with Carroll.
Carragher was at fault for the first goal.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:11:18
Thought we played some excellent football today, especially first half.
Game should have been over at halftime.
So frustrating!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:10:59
I do think that in that game Kenny deserves criticism. 88 minutes before he decided we need to make a change, and only bringing the extra striker on once we were 2-1 down.

This game was key to our hopes of 4th. But like i've said, and i know this will annoy most people on here, just be patient.

It takes seconds to destroy a club, but years to rebuild it.

Stu.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:10:11
Champions League many be out of our reach, we may be low down, we have lost our first game at Anfield this season, but you tell me a player who did not play well today. (Besides Adam)

Suarez was good, not great, but he had very good points, should have scored at least 2 goals with the chances

Downing was good, just messed up 1 or 2 chances as well.

Henderson was fantastic IMO, really came back from the Carling Cup Final.

Kuyt was very good as well, created chances, just no one to actually finish them off. A little heat on him 'cause he missed the penalty

Adam didn't have the best game, but he did have some good points

Spearing had a very decent game, got the ball, pressured them well.

Enrique closed down Walcott like a monster, he had a very good game.

Carra, apart from the mistake on the Van Persie that lead to the goal, he had a decent game.

Skrtel, whats to be said? Rock as usual.

Kelly had a wonderful game, a little heat on him as well for missing that open chance from the Kuyt cross.

Reina, alright, he did not have a good game pulled off a few lucky saves, but eh.

Nonetheless, we played VERY well today, we didn't deserve a loss. It looked as if we were playing the same style as we did at the beginning of the season. Positive attacking football, we have to continue like this and finish our chances. BACK THE TEAM. DONT GET ON THEIR BACK.

Remember, YNWA.

RenegadeRed

Well said mate,we were v unlucky outdone by two great balls and a master goalscorer in the form of his life. MR

Agree somewhat. Not about Henderson. What did he do exactlly? He ran around alot, but he wasn't hired as a defensive mid was he? His passing is ridiculous. He cannot seem to lift the ball 2 feet off the ground...I counted 7 interceptions on his passes.

Carra really had nothing to do, except on two occasions and we know the end product there.

For me, if we had Gerrard and Lucas all season instead of Hendo/Adam we would have had more success. These two really belong on a mid table team. Oh wait! We are a mid table team.....

@RenegadeRed, its not the player to blame it's KK he got it wrong 2nd half (to tell you the truth his got his tactics wrong all season)

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:10:10
I am not sure if 7th or 6th is enough for Kenny to keep his job. Americans philosophy is they are brutal and only back winners. Fair play on winning the Carling cup but the Americans will look at the progression in the league.

 If I put 100 million into a club I would of expected a min of 4th place. The team has shown some signs of improvement but until we sign a world class finisher we will remain in the 5th to 8th mini league! Very poor judgement in signing Carroll. Unfortunately Liverpool couldn't afford to sign a player after loosing Torres  who would take 18 months to come good. Dalglish has made a huge error. 

Our fans should not fool themselves today as I have lot of friends who are Gooners fans and feel this Arsenal side is the worst for 10 years!! They were right for the taking. 

Our home form is terrible.

I have to add Suarez looks like he's on the rise but as a final note Van Persie was World Class with his finishing today !! 

Shepherds Bush Red

Net Spend by FSG is around £38m so far. Not taking into account around £30m saved in wages on transfers/loans out for 2011/12. In actual fact only about £10m has actually come from FSG. {Ed002's Note - PLus the money being spent on the contribution to the wages of Cole, Aquilani and Poullsen. Plus the money to free up players to leave or be released last summer. Plus picking up the tab for the money teh club are losing. You have no idea at all do you?}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:09:28
Kenny just said it was a 'rewarding' performance - as a non pool fan, I have to agree lol

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:09:16
Hello to all Eds and to all,
maybe I'm too harsh but after today's game LFC does not only need a striker or two but a new manager as well. Dalglish is a legend but it's not enough to blame everything on referees (maybe right). Scoring a penalty and on few occasions as well would help, and making a change or two a bit earlier could have helped too. I don't know if KK was happy with a draw at home as he made changes late in the game?

Come on then brains, who is going to manage us next?

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:07:55
Lost to arsenal -_-. Just have a bad feeling that this game may decide the rest of our season.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:07:48
We've got a 30% win rate at home, someone tell me how that is progress, where in crisis at 10 points behind 4th

Crisis is Rangers or Portsmouth. Give your head a shake.

Mr Benn

Oh right so I should be happy where not going bust, lets hope for another non bust year next season then

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:07:43
How can we not put the ball inbetween the woodwork. Not having a go at anyone but I'm sick of this. We going to fall further behind next season when everyone else improves and buys proper players and we waste money again. We may outplay other teams but we are lacking creativity and killer instinct in front of goal

Djjj

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:06:41
LFC team 30 goals, RVP 25 goals. Its as clear as day, we can't score. Disappointing, dominated the game, final pass and finishing let us down again.

And no one properly mark him well. when u know he is on song.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:06:34
Just sitting here thinking of all the goal scorers we could have got for 35m instead of Carroll..wow.

Carl

You cannot speak about Carroll today he didn't get a chance so blame kenny and his stupid decisions again

And from looking at the top scorer chart, you don't need to break the bank e.g Danny Graham 3.5 million, Grant Holt, Ba etc

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:06:05
Dear mrs Reina

Could it be possible for your husband to turn up this season?
I understand he may well be busy at home but Liverpool fc really do need a goalkeeper that turns up with effort at least.

Pepe was ( and I believe can be) an extremely talented goalkeeper and infact one of the worlds best.
I believe he hasnt lost his talent and it's just hidding behind his lack of effort.

I'm writing you with plea as mr jimmy savell has recently passed.

Please please please, give him a kick up the rear

What? What could he have done about those goals? Not a single goalkeeper in the world could have saved them.

BthekingB

Should be pointing the finger at carragher great servant to the club but seriously found wanting on both occasions

Any keeper beat at his near post is to blame and reina today was to blame for probably both goals first one he was rooted when that ball was crossed he should of came for it and the second goal well I was disgusted even last week for there second goal he should of dived at the players feet Clem would of thats why IMO he will never be as good as Clem I have not been impressed with Reina since he wanted to leave and who did he want to go to the team he let two goals in against today ?

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:05:47
Can i just say i know we lost but we was absolutely brilliant today. I would go as far as saying the complete performance without the luck or maybe a finisher.

Arsenal had the luck but top four is still a posibilty we totally outplayed them today. Our midfield was superb, hendo,downing and adam we all heroes today.

People who slag that performance today dont know football. The luck just desserted us. Missed chances has been a problem for us all season but it is something we can sort out. We just need to be a bit more clinical. But overall a real superb performance by us. I really look forward to our future and we can still get fourth and win another cup.

Mighty reds

If you call that absolutely brilliant then your very easily pleased mate

Adam a hero today? Wot game were u watching? Adam was more like a ZERO...

Trishan

Sorry mate but we could say this about ten games this season when does it stop being bad luck and purely bad play kelly bad miss kuyt pen miss downing square ball to louis for tap in puts it to keeper thats 3 goals there and lets face it all other teams would of scored those chances i was like you thought it was bad luck ten games ago but not now!

Adam was the worst player on the pitch. Anderson cud have done a better job tbh.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:05:45
Kenny what are you doing??if you think this side is good enough then we can forget champions league for the next decade ,your buys have been poor,your tactics have been poor.carra it's time for you to hang up your boots let coates have his chance,shelves should play b4 Adam,another shocker from downing it's time to start bringing in sterling.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:05:25
As always this season very poor decision making in the box and too many players panic also in the Box

Suarez always going for glory goal
Adam just never looks whats going on around him
Henderson , Downing just Panic in the box

K.O.B

Didn't see Henderson panicking today - easy target for your sort.

Not having a go at him I said poor decison descion making and need to stop panicking when they get in the box

Why shudnt suarez go for glory goals? He has probably lost hope in his teammates who r no where near his standards.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:05:08
I think Kenny is good tactician but has just bought very badly. The players are hard working and commited but lack real class. Today we must have had 20 chances they had 2 and scored both. Really unbelievable.

Lets not call for Kenny's head but for better quality in summer. I think we need to shop abroad this time.

steve068

Stats show arsenal had more efforts on target than pool - take off the Rose tinted specs

Why bother, what real quality will come now when they see the state this awful squad is in. We had our chance in the summer for quality and blew it.

No way did Arsenal have more shots than Liverpool. Go on and F off back to Arsenal/United forum. 2 shots for Arsenal and 2 goals. Depressing. Steve068

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:02:19
Well I have been on here a lot this season slating the performances and the manager,well today I thought we played really well,good passing and movement and how in earth we didn't win I will never know,Thought Pepe should have their 2nd but hey how many games has he won for us.
The main thing I thought we missed today was OUR 12th man considering the importance of the game I thought the crowd were quiet as though they knew what was going to happen,I just thought the performance deserved better.
My only criticism today and I have said it before again and again and again and it is that ADAM has to GO,totally USELESS and offers nothing,his passing and dead balls have been awful all season.
Talking about the season we have not played well at all and dropped far too many points at home but I have to say it has been one of those seasons when EVERYTHING has gone AGAINST us,7 penalties missed,hit the woodwork more times than anybody and some very poor finishing,plus some bad decisions against us.
4th place now is out of reach,just have try to win F.A Cup and finish as high as possible in the P.L but will that be enough for Kenny to keep his job,only time will tell.
Alan50

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:01:28
03 Mar 2012 14:38:23
Do you realise that Liverpool have now won 2 European cups 1 FA Cup and a league cup by a penalty shoot out in games in which they were never in the lead. No doubt they will soon be claiming that the league should be decided on a penalty shoot out.

2 league cups and a UEFA cup on golden goal, all the record books will show is Winners Liverpool.....

Sooty

 

 

03 Mar 2012 15:00:53
First of all I'd like to congratulate the team I thought they played outstanding.

But unfortunately that is the difference between arsenal and us........ a goalscorer.

Sorry to say that's 4th gone.

LAVERS

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:59:35
What's depressing is 3 goals today at Anfield and we didn't score any. At what stage will Kenny realise a goalscorer is needed so why not try a kid from the reserves for the rest of the season ?

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:59:02
Kenny out, Sell Adam, Downing, Suarez, Carroll, Henderson, Kuyt and spearing and have an overhaul in the summer, we are a laughing stock

What a disgraceful post. either a manc or a bitter.

mighty reds

Original poster got it half right. Kenny, adam n carrol have to go so that the club can move forward. Dont know why u wud wanna sell the rest.
Indian Buzzer

Kuyt has been our best forward this season by a mile.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:58:46
10 points behind 4th where actually a joke

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:58:19
what was your take on the game ed? :(
josh {Ed002's Note - I did not watch it Josh.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:57:54
worst liverpool performance i have ever seen. All them clear cut chanses and still couldnt score including a penalty. It just shows how mentally stupid liverpool players are. teams defending we cant score, teams attacking we cant score. clearly mentally things need to change. Mourinho will do anything to win and that would reflect on the players. Kenny is 2 nice to give the boot up there asses. Things need to change.

Actually wasn't a bad performance. We played them off the pitch, just couldn't score (as per usual).
Don't forget we had about 13 corners to their none. We had a penalty saved. We hit the post twice. Their keeper saved at least 2-3 definite goals.
We were very unlucky to be anything less than 3-1 up at half time.

Worst you've ever seen? Is that the first match you've ever watched?

Mr Benn

That is what is shocking,all them corners and countless chances and we stil couldnt score.

Obviously the first poster doesn't know Kenny very well, he is ruthless anybody who didn't perform in the past was gone.....no change now, if he isn't happy with anybody they'll be gone.

Sooty

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:57:15
Any1 who thinks now that KD is right man for the club,think again,Kuyt has lost confidence,the player u would bet ur life in scoring penalties,why is that?KD preferes his CRAP signings,there was a game which we finished 4-4 against arsenal under Rafa,u could see player fighting to win,what was today?ppl will say we had chances,there is difference in had and converting them,if u don't convert then no excuses for how much atttempts,possesion...in short liverpool will not qualify for CL under kenny and his buys,if we think winning carling cup is a good sign,then last uear birmingham also won,I'm a proud lfc supporter will support them always,bt just can't watch them under clueless KD,why wait till last to make substitute,apart from 2 crosses what did henderson did,what did adam do,I can't stand adam at all,he's useless ,enough is enough....

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:56:56
p45 Kenny

So just who do you think is going to take us to the title? Someone like Villas-Boas? Who is there? Really. Be very careful what you ask for.

Well, kenny definitely wont win us the league. Actually, i doubt he will be in the dugout come august.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:55:42
not getting champions league might just be a blessing in disguise. if u know what i mean. i dont mind taking another season like this season. i mean rebuilding. but with europa, we should be getting a better squad next season.

Kaizer

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:55:36
We don't take our chances
Carra done twice
RVP is worldly
You don't score your penaltys you deserve to lose
Adam, please beat the first man just once
Kenny, Gooners don't like playing Carroll..why didn't you bring him on..
We know what we need, a goals scorer.., sacrifice Saurez.., he's exciting but the end product?
Saying all that, a classic Smash n Grab by a world class finisher, we are getting there, but need a couple to complete it
Pistol Pete

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:55:04
Don't care our much criticism I get on what I'm about to say but we are years away from the top 4.

This is not just a reaction to today's game this is the truth, we are a good average team that's it. Yes we won the cup last week but we are deluded to think we can be part of the top 4. We have Suarez as our talisman striker good player as he is he ain't a goal poacher and he ain't a 20 goals a season player.

Mr. Henry has a tough decision at the end of the season does he say thanks to KD for steadying the ship and winning a cup, but at the end of the day we will end up in a worse final position in the league and another season out of the CL.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:54:57
You guys are ridiculous. We absolutely destroyed Arsenal today. Yeah, the result didn't go our way but it should have. I haven't seen a battering like this since Man U vs Arsenal earlier on in the season. We should have scored at least 4 and they pop up with 2 shots and score. If you're trying to say our team isn't good enough you are wrong. Go look at those stats.

BthekingB

Shove the stats up you know where.....
Result is what matters!! We need another major overhaul come summer 'cos half of the squad is pathetic. And the first one to leave is Kenny.

If only the league was won on stats...

Trishan

Finishing is what football is about. playing nice football doesnt win you the league. missed penaltys hitting the post etc dont win you the league. scoring goals does. arsenal did we didnt. 88mins before a sub. stats are great on paper but they aint on the pitch. we should have won, we could have won if we didnt miss a penalty, if their goalie had beeen sent off if we hadnt hit the woodwork twice, if we had scored more goals than them. none of it is relevant we lost, so no were not ridiculous we are observant this team is not good enough. the majority of the team is mediocre, even reina is losing it. 4th place is gone. to say any lfc fan is ridiculous for stating the obvious then your deluded. get rid of kenny and bring in a manager that thinks playing with a striker is important, not playing with 11 people who think along the same lines as you that playing fancy football wins you things. billy

No, we are summarizing the season. We will finish in 7th, possibly 8th or 9th position. And if you actually check the stats, Arsenal had more shots on target than we did. Agree we should have won, but that is a recurring theme is it not?

What have Arsenal won in the last six years mate F**k all

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:53:41
Anybody else think Kenny got it wrong with the timing of the subs today?

Trishan

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:53:32
We have a better chance of winning without Gerrard
Yeah Right

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:53:23
Carling cup win must not be allowed to paper over the cracks. The team played well today but were beaten for one reason and one reason alone, we don't have a proven goalscorer at this level. Christ we struggled to score against Cardiff. Arsenal have a match winner in RVP and we don't simple as.

Oh and if you leave your leading scorer on the bench until the 88th minute you get what you deserve. Kenny look up the word substitution in the dictionary please.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:53:14
Another 2 steps back after a great last weekend. Let's enjoy Channel 5 next season but keep the pressure on Arsenal,Chelsea + Newcastle as they'll all slip up. We need a near perfect end to the season, but i can't see it myself. Kenny was poor tactically today.

Hans

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:53:13
That was as close to White Hart Lane 08/09 as I've seen. Adam was awful but I loved that Henderson took a bit of control in that game. Again I have to say,Adam had a nightmare of a game. Same goes for Carra. I've said this 2 years ago,Carra is past it. Say what you want about Gary Neville,but when he saw that his performances were dropping in standard at such a rapid pace he called it a day. Winners know when to quit and no matter what we say about him Gary Neville was a winner. An a**hole,but a winner. Why won't Carra do the same? Give Coates a chance! We played so well but if you don't take your chances,that's always likely to happen. So pissed right now...
Capetownred

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:53:04
same old story i'm afraid! we create loads of chances, we have loads of possession and we can't finish it off. Then the opposition come to the other end and get a winner.
We're crying out for a clincial goalscorer.
Still we've got a good run of games coming up which we'll have to win. All hope is not lost but it's going to need plenty of mistakes from arsenal and chelsea now..
Least we've won a trophy butwe do need to get back into the champs league..
Lets win our next few games and see what happens! Arsenal are still shaky and will mess up!
Come on lads, keep the faith!
Dale B

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:52:43
Don't start slating players. They played well the finishing was off and they had 3 chances. I'm proud of how we played. Great game to watch, shame about the result but we should focus on next week now. Henderson was my man of the match today.

BthekingB

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:52:24
With FSG and Kenny incharge we wont even get 4th next year. Clearing the debt should have been condition of sale other than that these owners have sold the fans that saving money and cutting cost will deliver success. Arsenal and Chelsea have had their worst start to a season in years and yet we still trial them. Pardrew didnt have the warchest Kenny blew and they lead us!

FSG seem to offer us managed decline we are years of the top 3 clubs and if we did get back into the UCL we would be humiliated.

Kenny cannot avoid blame,the style of play is better the people he has signed to deliver it are awfull.

If FSG believe the squad needs minor adjustments then they are mad or have no ambition.

This a shocking post. FSG and Kenny have done wonders for us but things dont happen overnigh.

mighty reds

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:51:41
well thats it 4th place gone, as much as i admire kenny dalglish he lost it for us today. he should have made changes earlier, i think we had 13 corners and not one effective, no carroll no bellamy, and again we fell to the sucker punch. im sorry to say but we need a manager who is willing to play 442 at home and give us something. kenny is past it. so its europa for liverpool. yes ill get slated for saying all that but hey im a liverpool fan and want the best for the team, and today we showed that the only person wanting to win was suarez, adam is useless, downing showed glimpses, henderson doesnt know what to do with a football. thats 3 of kennys buys. carrolll only plays if gerrard is on the pitch, thats number 4. and carragher needs to retire. we were basically cr=p. slate me if you want. billy

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:51:21
We got what we deserved today - nothing.
A microcosm of the season.
The better team with plenty of possession but not enough clear cut chances.
And yet again we miss with a poor peno.
A big lesson in the key problem with our team.
Van P gets two chances and scores - exactly what we are missing - a goal scorer! ;-/
Well, we can forget about champs league now and to be honest we dont deserve it with that sort of wasteful play.
Not good enough

5uarezTimes

 

 

03 mar 2012 14:50:23
frustrating!!

hk

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:50:14
Not unlucky . we got what we deserved.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:49:59
As predicted and which came through today RVP destoryed us

Reina he' the weakest part of the defence how was he beaten at the post

Suarez box of tricks but can't score RVP no tricks just goals

Well, Suarez didn't got any clear chance at all. We were the better side, but once again luck stood against us. Feels frustrating, indeed. Hope, we can keep on playing well. may be next season, we can get to 4th. YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:49:58
The better side lost today.
Downing was very good again
Jordan was very good too
The whole team had a good display today and before the gooners show up, im not biased, i will criticize when i feel it. But all round it was down to not capitalizing on our play yet again!
Kenny we have a big squad! Some on the bench, waiting till 88 minutes is mad imo.
We were holding out to try a nick a late goal and it back fired. We had options which weren't utilized.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:49:31
If RVP played for us we would win the league and Arsenal would be relagated.

MR EM

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:48:33
is there someone who can show us where the back of the net is? surely they must do some kind of shooting practice

Robbie Fowler knows where the corner of the net is...never been this frustrated! No end product. Lee YNWA

The back of the net is the bit the fans behind the goal look at.

Mr Benn

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:47:29
Can't believe it! Lfc were the better team and yet we lose! Just sums it up really - missed a penalty, hit the woodwork twice....any news on whether we are looking for a top class goal scorer in the summer?

I hope so. Not blaming anyone as I we had a weakened team and we played brilliantly against a strong arsenal team. The difference is there forward is banging in goals for fun, whereas we can't even score penalties!

Frustrated Ref

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:46:33
im sick of watchin teams come to anfield with one or two chances and stealing the game after liverpool miss chance after chance after chance buy a good striker who can score and teach the players to put the ball in the net

The stats say it all you had 14 shots 1 on target

Its a bit ridiculous that a team with an iconic striker as a manager cannot score, the amazing thing is that if not for the freak own goal liverpool wouldn't have scored

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:46:02
Game should have been won first half .. Feel sick right now. Kenny make substitutions ffs! We all called it didn't we? We can safely say that 4th is gone and we can only blame ourselves...the word 'Clinical' left Liverpool when Gerrard got injured and Torres left. Hate to say that tbh. Lee YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:46:01
Thats our premier league over for this season lads. Time to blood the youngsters now and give them experience. Morgan suso coady and sterling, draft them in kenny.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

I 100% agree that now may be the time to stick one/two on the bench in games and bring them on for 10/15 minutes.

Hans

Its all about next season now in the league we should try for the fa cup but we have already got what we can acheive. i would now like to see shelvey blooded in for adam, give morgan a chance maybe coady and suso perhaps still a little early for sterling

Problem is we will continue playing Henderson and Adam who arent any better than the youngsters

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:45:25
Let the negative comments begin...

Red Rat

Negative posts are appropriate considering 4th is gone...this was a must win and we blew it. We played well for most of the game, but 4 wins, 8 draws and a loss at home is p@ss poor. Our fans are loyal as they come, but this recurring cycle is wearing thin on me. Lee YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:45:16
We could be a point off Norwich by the end of the day. Sobering.

Ash

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:45:06
Never mind a stadium - get a team!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:45:02
Please,please,please by a forward who wants to score goals - we need a clinical finisher so badly. Too many clear-cut chances missed. Goodbye to 4th I'm afraid, too far back now. Focus on the FA cup.

Sir Masher

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:45:00
5 words: absolutely gutted and shell shocked!

K.Bennett

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:44:58
Bye bye to CL...I think time to tell Jamie to rest,he has been poor and cant wait for Agger to be back...YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:44:56
Atleast we don't need to agonize for the rest of the season. We got Europa league, so lets throw it all in for FA cup. Season is toast (and even the most devoted fan must agree with that one...). I think today showed what we are lacking: star quality. V. Persie touches the ball twice, two goals. We have a dozen chances, and the only goal was an own goal.

Coop

Personally I'll never give up on us getting 4th until the final whistle is blown after the 38th game. But totally frustrated atm

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:44:54
Don't know about van persie scoring when he wants, how about Liverpool we play when we can be bothered??
Seriously disappointed at home again an I'm not one oth those people that always oly complains when we lose but seriously it's just not good enough.
Trophy or no trophy this season it's been another poor one s far

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:44:49
Oooops thats put you lot in your place right near the apse end

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:44:39
Oh well..we should have easily put the game to bed in 1st half. Even a draw would have felt like a loss. But we lost. Anyway I thought spearing had a really good game.

Tekneek

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:44:38
Cup double it is then =]
Invernesian

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:44:12
that was so predicatable how many times dont take your chances!what does adam bring to this team and why if we are aiming for top 4 not taken a 35 mill striker on if we are trying to win!face facts cup win papered over cracks we are a million miles away from top 4 we be lucky top 10 !we need more than a few players and we need a manager slag me if you want but we do !

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:43:56
all you so called liverpool fans that say im not a liverpool fan because im honest need to wake up and smell the sh!* thats really at liverpool downing, henderson,adam,caroll are not even good enough to call players and honestly think about the last few games was it the line up you would have picked, im guessing no kenny is not a manager he hasnt got a clue, top 4 dream on

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:43:45
I am very happy with our play today,but we need striker who can score.Suarez is very good with ball but he cant score.Carragher is good for cup games but not good enough for league games.We still need 4-5 players if We think to win league.Serbian red

Serbian Red, we are 4 - 5 players away from top 4. Win the league? That is not a realistic goal for many years yet, if ever. Do you think Man City are going to get weaker over time? They and Chelsea will spend another billion dollars this summer and come back even better. Man U always strong, Arsenal too. I honestly don't see us cracking the top 6 for atleast a few years.

Today we outplay top 5 team,our problem last few years is poor play and results against weaker teams.Suarez is NOT striker,he can assist ,drible create chance but he can not score 20+ goals in season.We need really good striker Inzagi type,striker who only score 20+.Serbian red

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:43:32
got what we deserved in the end not clinical enough as all season and no tactical know how to change the game. stuart

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:42:41
Laughable...absolutely laughable. Blame KK for this one...we HAD to win this game and he plays 1 up front against a porous Arsenal defense...and then let's wait unti the 90th minute to bring on Carroll. We had a million chances and couldn't convert...had to rely on Aresenal to score for us. Poor team...poor tactics...get used to 7th place because we are going to be occupying that spot for a while. A disgrace for a club of our supposed history and stature.

With all these comments from management about our team being good enough as is, we don't need changes, today's performance was promising, etc...used to think that was just for public consumption and to keep up the team spirit...now, I'm beginning to wonder if they really believe that nonsense??

Surely, they must see that we aren't good enough right??...they must no??

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:42:15
KK is a coward. He cost us a game.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:40:46
And there we go, no champions league, a new batch of average players will arrive in summer and we will slowly slip further and further down the table in coming years. The future looks so bright...

E.H LFC

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:40:43
re my earlier post i said it wernt gonna be our day

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:40:03
Spearing and Carra oh no! said it before the game.Kenny is trying to keep a certain fan happy.4th is a dream too far. Playing Carra and Jay.=no way!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:39:19
Lets be honest. Who didn't see this coming? Carragher was never going to be able to cover V. Persie, and waiting til 88th minute to make a change was another question mark. Looking forward to Europa.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:39:12
Kenny mate. Needed a finisher for a long time now. Any chance of getting one in?

Spriggo

I said on January 2nd Spriggo mate, I couldn't believe we didn't get another strikers in and it could cost us.

We needed one in before the winter window, but we still didn't bring one in. The mind boggles???

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Lets be honest here, the reason we didn`t buy someone who can actually score is cause we wasted shedloads of cash on rubbish like Henderson , Adam, and Downing(still think Carrol will come good). But we mustn`t forget Dirk missed a pen, which is made even worst when he missed the rebound, and Kelly missed an open goal. If i hear "we missed Gerrard " once more I`m gonna pull me hair out....we are not a one man team, but please buy more quality in the summer and not the rubbish we did last season. And for the record we spent all that money and i don`t believe we have improved that much.Dalglish is all our hero, but i somtimes wish he would use his head more than his heart....he made poor decisions, and knowing what arsenal are defending like Carrol should have started, or come on earlier than he did. All in all, very disappointed today, and a real come down from last week. Pinhead.

Blair if you had the choice who would the striker had been me being a utd man do use want michael owen back.

NORMAN WHITESIDE.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:38:32
First change in the 88th minute? Ridiculous decision making..

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:38:01
Kenny was poor today he delayed his substitutions until it was too late.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:37:50
un believable...
Capetownred

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:37:48
4th spot is gone.

Was gone after 8 games pal

It was never really on except for the dreamers who though the arse were finished

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:37:38
We really need someone like RVP, someone who can put it in the net ten times out of ten.

You mean 15 times out of 10??

Gee...thanks for that insightful comment...would have never considered that if we didn't come acoross your post. Got news for you, EVERY team could use someone like RVP to put the ball in the net 9 times out of 10.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:37:32
Wastemen all you can say really
Hendo really is poor and the lino is awful
Bean

Get over yourself Henderson played well today, created the goal and was all over the pitch. This result was not down to Henderson it was down to the lack of a goalscorer, a centre half who's past it and indecisiveness from Kenny. Don't blame Henderson.

Did you watch the game?? The goal Henderson created?? It was a promising attack and he delivered the absolute worst cross...it just happened to deflect off the defender into the net. If that hadn't happened, that pathetic attempt at a cross would have snuffed out a great chance.

Bottom line: Henderson, Adam and Caroll...total waste of $$$$$

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:35:56
Terrible vision, terrible decison making, terrible corners and free kicks, terrible passing, world class going backwards: Charlie Adam.

-Shane.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:35:43
Kenny thinks Jay and Charlie are good enough to take this club forward .He must be going senile,in his old age .They're not good enough and as Rafa would say that's a fact.
Micheal Mouse

Stupid post

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:35:08
Lets face it our team is simply not good enough going forward to get top 4. We had an amazing oppurtunity in the summer to buy some real class, as we had proved from the later part of the last season we were on the up with performances, had owners with ambition and would have looked appealing to some of those really quality players in world playing for teams maybe less prestigious than ours. However we decided to get obsessed with the homegrown rule and opted for a bunch of mediocre mid table prem players who are obviously now showing we over spent and they are not good enough as shown by the poor goals tally they've achieved between them.

JT

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:34:02
I like to know ED002 opinion ,is Kelly good enough to be first choice on right back?Serbian red {Ed002's Note - I think he has done well on pretty much all occasions I have seen him and he is still young and should get better. So, yes.}

Prior to this game, Kelly has never let us down. He didn't have a bad game overall but I felt he was poor with regards to RVP's 2nd goal and he missed an absolute sitter after that Kuyt cross. So yeah. You can't really judge a player based on just one performance.

Keith YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:33:01
why oh why leave it so late to play bellamy ? Charlie Adam reminds me of Andy Cole...feet like fifty pence pieces!

Dave in Spain

I bet you wish he scored a fraction of the goals cole scored tho dont you

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:30:13
Yet again im asking myself why Kenny wasted over 100m on Henderson, Downing, Adam, Carroll and Coates. Carroll is stuck on the bench for 35m against a shocking arsenal defence and Coates is nowhere to be seen for 8m when Carragher is miles off the pace at this stage in his career, he needs to retire now.

I feel physically sick when Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Coates, Adam and the figure 100m are said in the same sentence. Kenny really has NO clue what so ever when it comes to picking players to buy, tactics and substituting. I can't actually take this.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:28:23
Charlie Adam your a disgrace to wear the badge...

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:25:45
80 minute why still no change ? is Bellamy Injured? so many cross today when Carroll not there ! poor tactics again Kenny Careger should be in dustbin now. Coates never get a chance even in carling cup after we go 4-1 up.

hhh.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:23:38
Charlie Adam has looked tired from the first kick-off. Been really poor.

Trishan

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:43:42
football is playing 90 minutes. Kenny know that ? best chance maker team of the year Liverpool who will finish 7th. go Kenny go.

yah.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:42:58
Robbed.

BJH YNWA.

No we weren't robbed...we blew it. No excuses...we had enough chances to make this game a blowout but, we are so poor. Yeah...KK...we don't need to make any changes to our team...they are good enough.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:42:38
thanks for giving van persie 2 goals carrager.

sigh.

ausiepool tristan

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:42:08
After your lucky 'season defining' triumph last week, it's back to earth with a bump today - no doubt there are still a few deluded fools amongst u tho - KK, long may he reign lol

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:41:50
top 4 ur avin a laugh !

Much love

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:40:38
We have been cursed. I don't know who by, but it's by someone who knows their spells. It's the only explanation for our season's results. Nick.

Or half our players are wigan quality

There is a curse on anfield. The sooner we get out of there the better

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:39:32
There goes 4th place, there goes champions league but is shows what a striker who can only needs one chance to score goals can do.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:21:25
Downing poor today,we should be seriously tanking these gooners.

Kenny is poor not the player.

He wasn't poor at all. He had a good game just bad finishing. Like every game this season.

BthekingB

Downing was far from poor

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:21:14
Got to be at least 10 minutes added time
Invernesian

There isnt a watch made that can last long enough for you to win in injury time

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:19:20
Great to watch but no end product, it's become the story of our play all season. If we don't take our chances soon I can see us losing this....

Curled1

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:17:57
Arsenal are made of glass

MJ

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:17:25
Have the premier league banned Liverpool from making substitutions? Come on Kenny do something.

Kenny should go. this is not 1980

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:16:45
if another arsenal player goes down, this match will never flow

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:16:12
and that's why we love pepe! quiet all day and then he comes up with a save like that!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:15:15
horrendous game for the young man Kelly. Been very poor, missing Johnson right now.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:12:03
I think little Jay should join the royal navy he would be great as a signal man waving the planes in on the Aircraft Carriers.
Tel Ithowitis

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:10:10
skrtel has turned into one of the best defenders in the league

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:10:03
C'mon Cara! You Legend!

Poor carra

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:09:57
This 65 minutes has encapsulated our season perfectly
AD

 

 

03 Mar 2012 14:09:09
Suarez spends more time rolling around the ground waving his hands in the air and crying at the ref than he does actually playing football, he's a disgrace to our club, Cant wait til he goes in the summer.

I cant wait till you have stopped supporting my club

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:53:51
That being said .. C'MON LIVERPOOL!! Lee YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:53:41
Martin S plays better on the right of the centre back pairing Coates plays left side why are we not playing him.Carra is carp these days,he should be left back at Melwood.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:48:30
Lady luck is certainly not with us, but on the flip side we have less than 9% goal ratio worst in the league, and facts don't lie.

We need to practice our shooting and penalties or buy a decent striker of RVP class....

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:46:48
Oi back off Cara!!
He's no Agger but he is still better than anyone else who can play there today!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:45:05
Do you think we could make the goal one inch bigger at Anfield and nobody notice?

PDUK

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:44:32
At the present moment the opposition has scored as many League goals for us as Downing,Henderson, Adam,and Spearing together. 3 each in 26 games.
In all games it's even worse Liverpool 4 opposition 6 in 36 games.
We've also missed more penalties than most teams have been awarded. If Gerrard is not playing there doesn't appear to be a designated penalty-taker. These problems have got to be sorted out - but how?
Dutchmal

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:43:54
if we had scored those 22 times we've hit the frame of goal we'd be top lol!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:42:07
Fantastic football from the home side... Loads of chances... Brilliant saves from the visiting keeper... Missed penalties... Home side hitting the goalframe again and again... Score still tied... It can only be Anfield. Let's get at them again 2nd half boys and finish it this time!!
Capetownred

This game should have been done and dusted...we are keeping them in the game with our incompetence up front. Adam, Henderson...WTF??

Don't understand KK's tactics...so negative...we are at home against a defence that is CLEARLY vulnerable...time to finish them. Let's play 2 up front. Anytime a decent cross comes in, we've got no one in the box...makes no sense. Can see it now...despite all the possesion, Gunners score a late one out of nowhere...no one to blame but ourselves.

4th place??...you must be joking. We should be 4-0 up...instead we have to rely on Arsenal to score for us. Pathetic and we just ain't good enough.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:41:27
I wonder what's the likeliest time to catch Carragher awake?

Don't you mean when's not what's? how about praise him for some of the stuff he has done

When he's cashing up at his caff!

When someones got a camera and a microphone in front of him

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:40:46
Arsenal rubbish, apart from Van Persie. Slur sports commentary abysmal; thank heavens last Sunday's game was on the Beeb. Good game and we should be four up by now. Keep the pressure up in the second half.
ND

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:39:59
Why the f in hell is Adam playing for Liverpool. He is utter garbage

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:39:05
Dominated possesion, created loads of chances, missed a penalty, hit the post, scored through an own goal, conceded a soft goal and hit the post again.....just another game at Anfield lol.

JRG

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:38:38
scored 1
hit woodwork twice
penalty and rebound saved
suarez denied goal of season

anyone else think its not gonna be our day

Its 1 all, Stop making excuses, every other team in the league has missed peno's and hit the wood work, Football is pretty simple, Whoever scores the most goals wins the game

We will win

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:37:52
What a half - playing very, very well - we should be winning. Carra (who looks shambolic, sorry) & Enrique could both be blamed for the equaliser.

Henderson and Downing are doing well - still room to improve though.

Missing penalties - hitting the woodwork - all the possession and chances.

This match is our season in a nutshell.

BJH YNWA.

Lets not get another home draw! 3 points please - come on!

How about Nil points

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:37:13
Only god knows how were not winning this.
well played lads same again second half

Paul the red

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:35:44
Incredible.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:35:19
get Adam off!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:34:50
Hit the woodwork twice in the first half and their best player is the keeper, normal service is resumed!

Chris in Tamworth

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:34:39
I start hate ing the word post/wordwork I wonder where we would of been if we converted most of those chances?

Lfc fan from Cardiff.

We'd be 3rd

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:34:24
How are we not in front!! Battered them first half, let's hope we do not regret the missed chances.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:34:15
Can someone please change the goals at Anfield and remove the magnets that attract the ball? The team have been fantastic, creative, pacy, vibrant but there's no end product. RVP one chance one sniff of goal and it's in the back of the net. If Liverpool had RVP we'd be top of the league.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:33:03
1-1 h-time lads, should be winning easy. Unlucky lads.
Micheal Mouse

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:31:24
Charlie Adam having another absolute nightmare today. I really thought he was going to be a great player for Liverpool but he looks lost without Lucas.

-Shane.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:07:14
Suarez is a bottler, He bottled taking 1 of our 5 penos in the final and he bottled taking this one, He's our main striker for god sake, What a joke.

Not all strikers are good at taking penalties. They should be but for some reason they're not. It's not about bottling it.

When did Torres ever take a penalty for Liverpool?
Just because they're strikers doesn't mean they take penalties.

Billfaethetoun

This post is ridiculours! Graham Alexander isn't a striker and he is one of the best penalty takers around. So you're saying normally Stevie shouldn't take the penalties because he's not a striker? or for chelsea lampard shouldn't take penalties?

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:29:34
Guys, can't quite believe our luck and missed chances. Really hope we're not going to regret it...just like most of the season .. Pretty annoyed right now! Put them to the sword ffs Lee YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:20:43
Great to have you back Jamie (I don't think!!!)

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:20:08
Enrique needs to get closer to his man - that cross should not have been allowed.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:18:33
Carra what blind faith.He should be teaching the kids.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:17:44
Carragher needs to retire, He's a liability, If he loved the club he'd leave, Just like Neville did at United.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:17:18
Carra was poor for RVP's goal - Agger playing we're still 1-0 up.

Totally ignoring two facts: the cross shouldn't have been allowed to get that far; Van Persie is in fantastic form and shoved past Carra - sometimes its just a good goal.
ND

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:16:14
I can't see any of these big players, with their huge wage demands, joining.
Nor do I want them, if their choice is driven by CL football.
We need young, hungry players who will develop and become the next stars.
Players who will be proud to wear the red, not who want to join cos we may or may not be a specific tournament.
Matt Philips types of players.
The Real KB
-----------------------------------

I totally agree Kb! Even if we makes CL spot, I think & hope Liverpool go for players that have the potential to be great players & not the ones that already are great & therefore demand big wages. There's plenty of raw talent out there.

The Irish Rover

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:15:27
Well, that's our regular penalty miss, post hit and o.g per match used up now. Nice to get it out of the way so early, good thinking lads. Now, let the goals flow!

-Shane.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:11:53
I cannot believe it we should be at least three up and are only in the lead because an Arsenal player put the ball in the back of the net - come on need to be more clinical!!!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:11:09
Now we play real football.Serbian red

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:08:59
FFS, It must be getting close to Pepe's turn on penalties!

-Shane

And you know he wouldn't miss!
ND

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:07:25
6th Penalty miss in the season. what a waste . A fast striker with a slow Kuyt in Home match. we need a quick striker like suarez. Kenny not practice penalty for sure.

hhh.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:05:00
I don't understand why Luis has to dive like that

 

 

03 Mar 2012 13:01:56
Started well but decision making in the final third letting us down which has been the story of our season at home!

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:58:06
Spearing and Carra looking great, both waving their arms and shouting.That's all they're doing mind,but it looks good cause they'ire hard,kidder.
Tel itowitis

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:56:51
OMG, Downing cant even kick a ball now, Why on earth did we pay 20m for him, Another shocking buy by Kenny

Clueless

Chris in Tamworth

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:54:07
Seeing how I called foul on Macca (and the entire media) about our lineup - do I get my own page now?

Lets face it - that 4-2-3-1 (shown on multiple channels) lineup would be a disaster.

Maybe more people will become aware of this graphical nonsense regarding team lineups in future.

BJH YNWA.

Lol. How can you disagree. God, people are clueless.

Monkey see, Monkey do.

BJH YNWA.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:48:22
As suspected - Dirk is seemingly up front, lets hope he stays there. Don't believe the 'lets refuse to say a 442 is a 442' graphics nonsense.

Lets roll!

BJH YNWA

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:23:20
Robbie Savage pre-match motivational talk on BBC radio 5 Live:

".....Liverpool need 4 or 5 players in the summer, they're miles behind the Arsenal squad....."

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:13:01
Team for today.
….........................reina
kelly.....carra.....skyrtel...enrique
…............spearing …..adam........
kuyt.......henderson....downing
…..................suarez.....................
Looks a more mobile set up to me! get the 3 points boys.
kidmillions

If it's a flexible 442 with Kuyt and Suarez up front we have a good chance.

If not - and this is actually our formation - I fear the worst.

We won't know till we kick off. I wanna see Dirk and Suarez kicking off (if we do) or lining up up front.

BJH YNWA.

ps -Just a gripe I have -

Just because the Sky graphics people say its 4-2-3-1 doesn't make it so... they're clueless - they do this all the time - fancy formations are very in vogue - and then once the game ends (with us clearly not playing the formation they displayed) everyone seems to think that we actually played the formation they displayed. Annoys the hell out of me!

pps - Keep the ball on the floor Carra! Lets play some football! If this is our actual formation - a 1-0 win may be the best we can hope for - unless Suarez does it all himself.

pps - If we lose playing a side like that at home to Arsenal - expect a major backlash here today.

But what the hell! Lets get the 3 points.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:14:04
Spearing and Carragher in. Oh no! It show you are not strong enough. They might have all the heart in the world,but one is a Hoofer and the other one a Humpa loompa.Tel Ithowitis

Might not matter too much if we keep it tight and get at Arsenal's extremely dodgy back 4 and take our chances.
kidmillions

 

 

03 mar 2012 12:12:05
really annoyed with kenny, why the f--k does he not pull players out of these friendlies,we have lost gerrard again,suarez played a full game during the week,we don't we do what fergie does and has been doing for the last 15 years and pull key players out of the squads especially before a key game,look at this week he pulls rooney out due to having a throat infection and by his own admission he has trained all week,and what pisses me off more is the fact that the f.a do nothing,unlike gerrard when he was pulled out of a squad he was forced to go and see the england teams doctor.fergie looks after his players,he either pulls them out or they just play 45mins while all other teams players play full matches so come the next game all mancs players are fresh.

alan50

 

 

03 Mar 2012 12:01:36
Afternoon all I found this on "Red and White kop" and thought I would share, it's written by someone called E2K. I'd love to see him posting on here. It's very long but worth sticking with

Dion Fanning, one of the few mainstream journalists that I have any time for, once said of the Roy Hodgson era at Liverpool that "those who believe that Hodgson's dismissal demonstrates a fundamental shift in Liverpool's relationship with their manager forget that his appointment was the fundamental shift. Liverpool had never sought middle England's approval before and those who delighted in the success of a friend never paid attention to the muted sounds of disapproval on Merseyside. Hodgson was the wrong appointment, not an appointment that didn't get time. There was not a fundamental shift in Liverpool supporters' relationship with their manager. Roy Hodgson was not their manager. He was Sky's manager, the establishment's manager, the English FA's manager." This, I think, is a pretty good summation of some of the fundamental reasons why Hodgson was destined to fail at Anfield. Results, naturally, were key as well, but there were also many other factors at play. Liverpool F.C. is not a straightforward, open-and-shut book of football club. Never has been, never will be. The same is true of the city of Liverpool itself. Those who have enjoyed success at Anfield are the ones who understood this. It has been pointed out that the banners and flags on the Kop tend to reference managers (Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Houllier, Benítez) rather than players. There's a reason. Values such as loyalty, inner-strength, leadership, hard work and commitment are the ones we hold most dearly, and it is our managers who have historically exhibited these ideals most vividly.

It is why we have the Shankly and Paisley Gates, and why there is a statue of a manager rather than a player outside Anfield. It is also why the faces of Graeme Souness and Roy Hodgson will never sit alongside their aforementioned counterparts on the Kop, not simply because they failed to win much but because they clearly never understood us. Souness called his decision to sell a story to a certain newspaper on the third anniversary of Hillsborough a mistake. That's not all it was. It was also a fundamental failure to understand the club and its community. Hodgson's myriad of gaffes over his six months in charge, meanwhile, had us all wondering if he had even the slightest clue of who we are. One listen to You'll Never Walk Alone would have told him immediately. A great man once defined it like this: "when you're in a fog you stick together because that way you don't get lost. If there's a secret to us, that's it". That's Liverpool F.C. in a nutshell. Agreeing with Alex Ferguson that your star striker is a cheat does not compute. Now think of "middle England". Think of "the establishment". Ask yourself what they have ever done for this club. Ask yourself who it was that threw those deplorable accusations around in the aftermath of Hillsborough, who it was that hounded our best manager in 20 years out of a job, who it was that were happy to sit by and watch as £300m worth of debt was heaped upon the club to the point where administration (and probable relegation) beckoned in favour of blaming the manager and the players, who it was that has heaped derision on us for our support of Luis Suárez who (I could say plenty more about it) wasn't given anything approaching a fair hearing? Who is it that always invites us to "get over" Hillsborough, told us that Istanbul was a fluke, told us that we needed a British manager like Roy, are now telling us that Kenny Dalglish is losing it (it started with James Lawton and Patrick Barclay at the beginning of November, maybe earlier, it has gone into overdrive in the last week)? Do any of these examples sound like those entities have the best interests of this club at heart?

There has been much (correct) talk of reconciliation on this site over the past few days, of how the club should reach out to the media, to community groups, even to Manchester United in the hope that we can all understand and trust each other that little bit more. I whole-heartedly agree with this sentiment, but we must be careful. It needs to be done, but it needs to be done on our terms because a Liverpool F.C. that prostrates itself in front of "middle England" or "the establishment" and simply bows to their wishes is incompatible with the one that I have loved for two decades, the one that started out for me as just a football team that had some of my favourite players on it (Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge, Rush) and grew into something infinitely more meaningful than that. It's incompatible with what I know about the city of Liverpool too, a community that has fought its corner more times than I can count.

Consider who you're talking about here. A media that includes tabloids like The S*n, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail and individuals like David Maddock, Oliver Holt, Martin Lipton, Martin Samuel, Henry Winter, James Lawton, Patrick Barclay and others. A media that includes Talksport and Sky. A football establishment that includes the FA, Alex Ferguson and his cabal of lackeys known as the LMA, Gordon Taylor. Reconciliation across the board with people like that? I have to think that's impossible without fundamentally changing who we are. We certainly won't be met halfway, that's for sure. Already Ferguson has apparently dismissed the idea of talks between the two clubs. Meanwhile, the press have appeared arrogantly unwilling to cede the moral high ground to which they scurried on 20 December.  Obviously the likes of Kick It Out, FARE and others should continue to be embraced, but that's just it “ continue to be embraced. People are acting as though the work done by the club in the past in the fight against racism suddenly counts for nothing. I understand why the likes of Herman Ouseley and Piara Powar (and individuals likes Paul McGrath and Jason Roberts) are so outspoken on this issue. I'm a white man who lives in his own country, a predominantly white one. I'm lucky in that I have never had to deal with racism or discrimination of any kind and I feel 100% empathy with anyone who has. Yet some of their comments have been damaging to this whole process, especially for men in their position. They talk about the responsibilities of Liverpool and Kenny Dalglish, but what about theirs?

If we accept that it behoves the club to reach out, build bridges, talk to the media more, become more intimate with the FA and everything else, then do we have to do all the work? Does the media hysteria seen in the last couple of weeks (which has generally included only one side of the story and been framed with headlines of "RACIST") and the poor investigation carried out by the FA's Commission in the first place not hurt this process too? Liverpool F.C. feels aggrieved “ anyone who reads the FA Commission report with an open mind will see why “ so is it really all on the club to just swallow that, go to the FA, say we're sorry that our statement said anything bad about you, please forgive us, then go back to Anfield and wait for the next incident that screws the club (e.g. how many other players, besides Mascherano and Torres, were punished because of the Respect Campaign, and was Suárez's recent one-game ban for an obscene gesture consistent with Wayne Rooney and Ashley Cole's previous ban of no games for the same offence?), or should the FA instead realise that one of their clubs is unhappy and reach out too in the spirit of reconciliation, realising that a process where the "guilty" have no right to appeal the verdict, only the severity of the punishment, is inherently wrong? Should individuals like Maddock and entities like the Daily Mirror and others not realise, hey, maybe we're being a bit too hard on the club, maybe that headline of "RACIST" was out of order and we should go to them and apologise rather than burying some half-arsed excuse deep within our website?

If this is all on the club, then we either fundamentally change who we are or this process of reconciliation is doomed from the start. By all means we should bend, but no way should we break. At times like this, you need someone to lead the way. You need what I spoke about back in the first paragraph of this piece - leadership, strength. Nothing illustrates to me that we have the right man at the helm in Kenny Dalglish more than the level of vitriol which has been thrown in his direction over the past week by those aforementioned entities of "middle England" and "the establishment," two entities who have not been friendly to the club historically. One particularly repugnant piece even reminded the reader that "Dalglish is not a racist. Nobody should be allowed to believe that he is". Who the f*** suggested he was?! These entities, the ones that we're charged with reaching out to, want Dalglish gone, maybe replaced with Roy Hodgson again (if he'd still have us, maybe if we beg?) or maybe Martin O'Neill (whose return to management, Henry Winter recently told us, "has been greeted with street parties, certainly a Fleet Street party"). They want us to be nice and compliant, and that's all they want. There is no meeting us halfway on this, and we need to remember that. It is ultimately on the club and its hierarchy to decide how they go about dealing with these people from here on out, but one thing is for sure, none of them like that Dalglish and the club have not gone grovelling to them, begging forgiveness like some beaten-down housewife apologising for causing her husband to hit her. As supporters, our job is easier. All we need to do is ask "who do we trust," remember that Liverpool have "never sought middle England's approval before," and keep in mind that nobody understands who we are (city and club) more than Kenny Dalglish.

And then support.

Cracker of a post

Well written. Am sure it will get no main stream coverage at all, which is a shame. Nick.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 11:55:11
Team for today's game

Reina, Kelly, Enrique, Skrtel, Carra, Spearing, Adam, Henderson, Downing, Kuyt, Suarez

 

 

03 Mar 2012 11:27:09
Had anyone ever heard of the organisation making the racist complaints before the advert? Nope me either. Now they have there name everywhere. That's all it is, advertising there own organisation.
Organisations like these only put fuel on the fire in my opinion and are no help to anybody.

MIKEY

 

 

03 Mar 2012 11:08:49
Morning Guys

Backing up Macca, No Gerrard

Team is:

Reina

Kelly Carragher Skrtel Enrique


Spearing Adam


Kuyt Henderson Downing


Saurez

Good feeling for 2day

SullyRed YNWA

Extremely, extremely happy to see Henderson playing behind Suarez rather than on the right. Come on lads, lets complete the double today!

RenegadeRed

As always I wish the lads all the very best, but the midfield really worries me. I just hope we don't end up "sitting" too deep and invite pressure!

C'mon boys dig deep!

Come on Jordan! centre of the park... make it your own lad.
YNWA
Phooey

 

 

03 Mar 2012 10:57:50
Best site 2 watch the game 2day guys?

Ste {Ed002's Note - myp2p.pe should do.}

Cheers Ed ;-)

 

 

03 Mar 2012 10:42:37
We have to win today if we dont i fear 4th is going to be almost over for us.

Red raj

 

 

03 Mar 2012 10:37:54
Brad Jones - Released
Fabio Aurelio - Released
Maxi Rodriguez - 1million
Alberto Aqualiani - 6million
Joe Cole - 5million
Daniel Pacheco - 1million
Dirk Kuyt - 8million

 

 

03 Mar 2012 10:11:57
Still not got "agree with ed" button ed?

 

 

03 Mar 2012 10:11:25
Arsenal could destroy us today. Clarke already making excuses in LFC tv saying it isn't must win game. I think it is if he has any dream of a top 4! Hopefully Carrara is up for their attack. We may miss Agger big time

I wonder just how much international duty and the cup final will effect the lads. We have to lockdown the pitch stop them from scoring and a goal will come we are playing arsenal! however i would nervous about today a draw is no good we need to win but we cant commit to many lads forward after watching arsenals counter attack against spurs thats what we need to stop!

Nah, spurs were just appalling

 

 

03 Mar 2012 09:22:44
i just cant get enough of sunday's victory. i watch the highlights atleast 2 times everyday. looking forward to a good match today. i think we should go for a packed midfield with spearing henderson and adam playing in the middle and downing on the left. suarez can play behind carrol or sometimes come to the right wing. bellamy should come on as a sub because we'll feel we need an impact player of the bench. hopefully carra and skrtel will boss van persie and it would do us no harm if enrique can produce that performance like he did in the reverse fixture at the emirates. looking forward to a liverpool win and hopefully hodgson can do us a favour at the hawthorns.

amar

 

 

03 Mar 2012 09:05:09
what a massive game coming up today but a game we can win i think if we can get into Arsenal and press them high we can win this one. I would defo start spearing to get around there midfield and win the ball. I would say today is all about energy and tempo. So my team would be.

Pepe,Johnson,Carra,Skrtel,Enrique,spearing,adam, kuyt,maxi,downing,suarez

Thats if gerrard is out today if not i would start him instead maxi. I just think there back four will struggle against our pace and movement.

Come on the redmen.

Mighty reds

Pace? Not in the team you just listed. Maybe Downing has pace, and Suarez has movement.. Bellamy is the only player in our whole squad with both though.

YNWA! (Adam)

 

 

03 Mar 2012 08:58:33
Anyone see Henderson and arsenals Alex oxlade chamberlain doin keepy uppies with a tennis ball while away with England under 21s need I say Henderson won 148 to 136 or something and people say he carn't controll a ball. Really lookin forward to the game today Let's hope we get another one over arsenal today lads come on let's push for that 4th spot.

Mickleburg

Yeah it was funny how after alex got to 100 he fell apart and hendo kept going
red raj

 

 

03 Mar 2012 08:41:22
Hello Ed002,
as I understand Gerrard won't be fit fot today's game? Shame if it's true. Win is crucial today for 4th place, as will be in every game this season, esp.at home vs Arsenal and Chelsea. Cheers.

We have drawn 4 and lost 2 of the games Gerrard has started this season. Although he is a world class player no doubt and can change games on his own, our squad is big and good enough to cope without him.

 

 

03 Mar 2012 07:28:47
Not good news on the injury front.

Gerrard Doubtful
Adam Out
Agger Out
Johnson Doubtful

Many of our players played the full 90 minutes midweek where the Arsenal players did not. Given the 120 minutes on Sunday that we played, it will be tough for us today.

Who will play in midfield? Spearing, Henderson and maybe Fabio Aurelio. I can see The King putting 5 men in midfield with those three Downing and Kuyt. I can see Suarez being the lone frontman.

March is a make or break month mate, we have 6 games this month, whilst most other teams have 4. (Since we have the FA Cup game and then the catch-up with Everton) we have to win every single one if we are to challenge for that 4th spot, everyone will have to take part.

I expect Shelvey, Kelly, Spearing and Maxi to start one or 2 of the games so the others can actually have a game or 2 to rest.

RenegadeRed

 

 

03 Mar 2012 06:45:42
3 people just got on the coach with the sun newspaper... WTF how do people like this get tickets if they know f all about the club...

G BOX

Hey G BOX. You should gently educate them as to why we have no affiliations with that vile 'effin rag.

The Robin

Kick them off the bus!! or leave them at the sevices

phooey

 

 

03 Mar 2012 06:01:57
Hey ed001 what's your prediction for today's game,
I've gone for a cheeky 3-1 win Carroll 1st goalscorer (55/1)
And Suarez 2 0 (33/1)

Anyone will do!

G BOX {Ed001's Note - I don't do predictions mate, when I do we lose!}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 04:26:44
Hey ed, is it just me or do we play better football without gerrard in the team? 1st 7 matches of the season, we were creating chances for fun when he wasnt around. When he came back, our play started lacking movement n precision.
Indian Buzzer {Ed001's Note - I have thought that for a while, not his fault, but players tend to look for him too much, when there is often a better option.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 03:17:31
Hi Eds / Macca

I hope I am wrong....Something has been bothering me since the Carling Cup Final. During the celebration Interviews none of the senior players i.e Reina etc praised KD even when given an opportunity by the reporters in a leading question. I have long felt that there is something not right in the dressing room and Key Players are not happy with Manager's tactics and team selection etc... and to top it up Suarez's muted celebration and body language! Can you share your views pls. Thanks {Ed001's Note - I think you were looking for something and found it because you were.}

 

 

03 Mar 2012 01:02:49
Wait no blair

 

 

03 Mar 2012 00:14:42
Eds in your opinion do you think liverpool can get 4th ahead of arsenal and chelsea and I know isla is injured but do you think liverpool may still go for him in the summer...

KingMiz {Ed001's Note - it will be tough, but we can still get it and possibly but it seems unlikely now.}

 

 

 
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