Liverpool Banter Archive June 03 2014

03 Jun 2014 22:29:11
i'll so take hangeland on a free transfer, solid defender good experience

03 Jun 2014 22:38:25
Been on the decline for 2 seasons, imo. I'd sooner call Sami Hyypia out of retirement.

No pace definitely not what we need trying to play a high line

03 Jun 2014 23:54:00
Absolutely not!

In my opinion, we don't need an old, tall and stiff CB to cure are defensive issues.

If this was 2010, I'd probably take him.

I wouldn't and thankfully BR wouldn't either.

I wouldn't and thankfully BR wouldn't either.

Agree two years ago yes but not good enough for us now

@ the OP.

Is that you, Roy?

03 Jun 2014 21:34:53
Evening Eds

Things a bit quite today. Is there any update please in your eyes on Can and Moreno?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

Read in the press that Tottenham have submitted an offer of £14m for Moreno + Soldado on a season long loan. Pochettino want Moreno as his first signing.

03 Jun 2014 19:45:59
Dont shoot the messenger after reading this post please. I think that Lamela (not to be confused with Lallana) can be quite decent for us. He looks down and out, and had a really poor season, but I think BR can work wonders on him if given the chance. May be cheaper than Lallana, now that a clear out is happening at Spurs. If we an get to his best from his Roma days, and he is still very young, could be signing of the season. Or he could remain bad. But this is a risk I would like to see being taken.

{Ed002's Note - Sure as hell not going to happen.}

Why on earth would we want to sign Lamela when he has clearly shown that he wants to return to Italy?

Made of plastic.

Lack of knowledge boys, he is very happy with spurs as is lloris and both will be playing at spurs nxt season

04 Jun 2014 13:13:41
Lamela happy at Spurs? Yeah right. Maybe it is you who is lacking in a bit of knowledge.

I cannot imagine him being happy about not playing pretty much the whole season, in a World Cup year.

Yeah but are spurs happy with him they could still cash in

Did he not go home to Argentina suffering from depression?

Chiswick, are you still pretending to be a LFC fan?

Lamella is, as I predicted, rubbish.
I hope he stays at Spuds, it's funny.

^^^silly boy^^^

03 Jun 2014 18:04:59
Why is Muriel not in the Colombia squad for the world cup? Is it injury or is it that he's not good enough? If there is no injury, I think people on here should realise that isn't quite what he's made out to be.

{Ed002's Note - He rarely plays for his country. He is not seen to be good enough.}

03 Jun 2014 19:08:04
That is the same Luis Muriel lot of people here want to replace Suarez by the way.

03 Jun 2014 22:41:39
Just like some folk suggested Aspas would replace Suarez. Let's just face it, no1 can replace him, better to stick with the deadliest striker on the planet. Poor us

The real AG, sturridge will take Suarez's place and someone like muriel could potentially become the next sturridge, if Suarez was to be sold next summer.

No need to spin the story, Hyach. Muriel`s not good enough to even be on the bench for Colombia so why would he be good to be a starter for LFC?

04 Jun 2014 13:18:30
That is not how it works for every player. Muriel has struggled with form, weight issues and injuries since he has been in Italy.

Last season, he was a regular at Udinese and struggled badly. I think he scored 4 goals last season.

He might be one of those players that we look at because he might be considered to be an "unpolished diamond" like Coutinho.
I have never seen him play so I can't really comment. can't help it though!

03 jun 2014 17:21:00
now this may not end up on the banter page but as there are no major topics for discussion today goes
as ed has said suarez will have to decide whether to go to spain or not and he may well leave
now we are obviously looking at some targets though no knowledge has been disclosed
so a question for all posters and ed001 who would you like to see from the following list of players with reasons(we may have no interest in these players but just some who are available )
take your pick and no cavanis and agueros
julian draxler
stephan el sharaawy
mario balotelli
angel di maria
cesc fabregas
alexis sanchez
pedro rodriguez
karim benzema
thomas muller
pierre emerick aubamayeng
ezequiel lavezzi
others (please specify)

03 Jun 2014 17:47:59
If Suarez were to leave fro Real Madrid, I would be interest in Angel Di Maria as part of the deal.

If Suarez moves to Barcelona, I would certainly try to get Alexis Sanchez in the deal.

I don't see anybody else being able to afford him/make a move for him.

I'd ask for Di Maria as part of a deal for Suarez. That lad is INSANE! I'd try and get another striker in as a replacement. How about Mandzukic? Thought on him guys, not really seen him play much. Alexander Pato or Leonardo Damiao could prove a success at the club. It's a difficult question to answer:/

Hi reet,

Not sure if you mean as a replacement for Suarez or not. If we are talking replacement then Sanchez or El sharaawy. If someone in general then I would love us to buy ilkay gundogan

Some more options
leandro damaio
jackson martinez
edin dzeko
alexander lacazatte

{Ed002's Note - Just to be clear these are all just random names.}

Don't rate di maria in the slightest. Headless chicken half the time for me. Mueller and sanchez I would take.

Lavezzi is absolutely shocking for such a highly regarded striker

For once were using banter page for the right reasons

Alexis sanchez

Messi ;0)

03 Jun 2014 21:40:05
Alexis Sanchez for me too. Whilst we're playing fantasy football, can we use (some of) the remaining proceeds for Javi Martinez? Now that would be a mouth watering prospect.

03 Jun 2014 22:44:14
Ricky lambert

Get the money up front and buy Aguero + Rooney + Chamberlain

{Ed003's Note - we are taking the p a bit too far now.}

Yeah ed all these names are just random strikers
plus everybody will only get to pick one as a replacement for suarez
alexis sanchez seems the favorite though I wouldgo for el ssharaawy
the only player in my view who can replace suarez

{Ed007's Note - Do you mean Stevie May?}

Yeah ed because Stevie may would be the perfect replacement won't he

Isco and £70m, which would love to see spent on Ross Barkley and Javi Martinez/William Carvalho.
I'd opt for a 4-2-3-1. Sturridge up front. Isco, Barkley and Sterling behind. Martinez/Carvalho & Gerrard in front of defence.

03 Jun 2014 16:20:36
Shola Ameobi to be signed as an Aspas replacement.

I do believe you have won at this rumour game. That is one of the best I've heard yet.

You sure this isn't a smokescreen to buy Sammy Ameobi?

03 Jun 2014 17:29:47
Not the best; that goes to someone who actually reported that Manchester United are going to sign Luis Suarez.

Touche

Yep.
Suarez is off to Manchester United for £65m.
He is happy to have helped LFC to qualify for Champions League, and has stated "I just want to play for a team challenging for Champions League Place. However, I do not want to play in Champions League, hence a move to Utd is ideal, no Champions League football but they will try to challenge for a top4 place"
LMAO

03 Jun 2014 12:37:16
The bible known as the metro is stating we are going to "hijack" arsenals bid for serge aurier. Would you know if there is any truth to this Eds?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know anything of it.}

Thanks for the response :-)

03 Jun 2014 22:41:56
I honestly thought the Aurier links wouldn't crop up until World Cup MotD fever set in.

03 Jun 2014 22:42:18
From the media, not the OP, obviously.

03 Jun 2014 12:22:24
A couple of questions for everyone (reasons not necessary)
1-would you loan out ilori and keep Skrtel /sell Skrtel and keep ilori
2-Lallana or Shaqiri who is more needed and better value for money
even the eds Can chime in

1. Loan Ilori, keep Skrtel.

2. Shaqiri.

03 Jun 2014 12:46:20
Sell Skrtel. For me, he is a big risk for us each game. Especially the way he is all over players in the box. It is only a matter of time before he starts getting pulled up for it. I also think we would gt a decent price for him at the moment.
I've not seen a lot of Illori, but believe he has a lot of talent and is wanting 1st team football, so it is difficult because i'm not sure if he is ready? However, I would like Agger to stay and to alternate between Agger, Sakho, Illori and Toure.
I think the best way to strengthen our defence personally is make a decision on Mingolet.
He needs to have a bigger presence in the box and if BR thinks he can deliver that this year then to keep him on and let him play, otherwise he needs to be looking at other options

Why not buy both Lallana & Shaqiri as they are different players and will offer us something different.

Ilori should be given pre season to show what he has to offer and then a decision will be made.

If we buy lovren then sell yes. Agger too (unfortunately).
Toure, sakho, lovren and Ilori would be great. But I doubt Ilori will be happy with that. So loan him out and use Kelly.

Big d
because we just don't have that much money both will cost in excess of 40 million
we have suso why spend 25 million on lallana

Shaquiri. If Lallana is going to cost more than £25m I'd rather just give Pelosi or Teixeira his place or sign Shaquiri to give us another attacking dimension and make the youngsters compete with him. Lallana and Shaquiri would be a waste. They are different players but we'd never fit them into the same team without dropping Sturridge or Sterling.

1 - loan Ilori, sell Skrtel but buy a replacement ready such as Lovren
2 - Shaqiri as Lallana is overpriced.

1. Sell Skrtel. He is at constant risk of giving away a cheap goal or failing to deal with an attacking threat - our defence won't be able to feel either calm or confident whilst Skrtel is there. Not sure if Ilori is ready for first team football either. Think a bigger issue personally is Johnson - he undermines the entire right-side of our defence. If we sign a left-back and make Flanno our first choice right-back then this will perhaps give whatever centre-forward playing at RCB next season a bit more confidence.

2. From a purely footballing perspective Lallana makes more sense. The problem is that the difference financially between Lallana and Shaqiri is fairly substantial. If we don't get Lallana for whatever reason (monetary, he chooses another club, etcetera) then I'd prefer us to look at Konoplyanka again - Shaqiri's conduct off the pitch at Bayern is somewhat concerning IMO.

Loan ilori keep skrtel

Lallana is a better player than shaqiri imo.I hope we sign him

@ MIKEY

Not sure how you can advocate Kelly when he has barely played for 2 seasons and has a big question mark over his fitness in future due to the terrible injury problems he has suffered. Would be incredibly high risk from the club to have him, even as back up, given these unknown quantities that surround him. Think Ilori needs to be given some game time so he can get used to the English game and hopefully develop into a valuable asset for our club.

03 Jun 2014 14:25:37
Truthfully. If we sold Skrtel and didn't replace I'd be worried.

Who here would be confident with Toure and Ilori as our only senior right sided centre-halfs? Not me.

Keep Skrtel, sell Agger. I like Agger but it just makes more sense.

I like skrtle just makes some costly mistakes, would have to say give llori a chance preseason go from there, but would need to replace skrtle probably.

Isn't shaqiri younger than Lallana? Like Lallana a lot but at any more than 25 million would rather have shaqiri and suso/teixaera given a chance to step up.

Puzzled Red - who does that leave as LCBs then, just Sakho? I agree with you to sell Agger but your logic doesn't make sense, imo, seeing as Agger is currently the only comfortable backup to Sakho at LCB.

Seano - Skrtel is dodgy I do think but I wouldn't think playing a centre forward at RCB is going to help :)

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Lovren.}

Absolutely agree puzzled red. We would be in a lot of trouble if toure and Ilori were our right centre back options. Agger should go out of the two, I prefer skrtel and I think he gets a lot of unfair criticism, he had a good season last year. Lovren in with agger out is a good move. Sakho, skrtel, lovren, Ilori, toure is a good set of options.

Lallana for me n then kono and shakira for dressing room showers n singsongs

Loan Lori again n sell skyrtl or agger if we can get a replacement

What role does anyone see toure playing next yr, league n fa cup games n back up I'm thinking

Am I the only one who is more comfortable with Skrtel than Toure?

Sean - lovren mostly plays LCB for Southampton but is right footed. He can slot in on either side

Jgs92 - that does make Lovren even more appealing so. If he was to be signed I couldn't see him being interested in being backup though so I'd imagine he'd want to start with Sakho.

jcanRED - Toure's a hard one to call. At the start of last season he was great, by the middle of the season he was a mess. I think it's a case of wages, etc it would not be feasible to have both as backup (assuming Lovren or someone was signed to start with Sakho). Then you compare the financial side and we can get decent money for Skrtel, we wouldn't for Toure. When Toure's contract expires then he's gone and we have Ilori back from another loan.

@ sean Ireland

to be fair I don't think Andy Carroll could be any worse if he was played at centre-back ;)

We have wisdom as well seano. Kelly is highly rated and will suit centre back better than right back as it may help with injurys. But I do get your point.

03 Jun 2014 12:00:30
Hi Ed002,

as per our initial transfer activities, we are moving for attacking players plus left back. But no concrete bid has been made for any CB. is it down to the fact that we have so many CBs in the squad and we are actively looking to sell them (agger, coates) and then we will bid for a CB like lovren, caulker.

Or do you believe no CB will be bought this summer.

Thanks for your time

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are interested in Lovren - I have said this on may occasions.}

03 Jun 2014 11:38:59
fox sports oz sayin suarez to Manchester United for 120 mill

03 Jun 2014 12:47:59
Wouldn't sell them a virus.

03 Jun 2014 12:41:50
dont think so

There is more chance of man u getting relegated

Maybe sell them a virus!

03 Jun 2014 13:25:06
In other news, England on the verge of signing Cristiano Ronaldo from Portugal

03 Jun 2014 09:31:49
Interesting poll of the day will Liverpool's place in pot 3 not get them out of the group tbh with a small defensive improvement you could win the thing

We won't know until we see who we are up against. It would be interesting to do the poll again when we see the teams. But yeah a bit of luck and we can get through.

We haven't been in Europe (CL) for a good few seasons - you can see how difficult it has been for Man City with their world class squad. I'd be happy if we just made it out of the group stages to be honest.

Im optimistic about playing in pot 3.
I feel we are capable of beating most teams when we are at our best

The key word is "ensure" which it certainly doesn't. If we feel that we should be ranked higher then we have to beat the higher seeded sides.

03 Jun 2014 09:10:09
Hey eds. Just wanted to know whether martin kelly will be 100% for the start of next season.? I hope so. I would love to see him next to sakho at RCB at times through the season. Hope all is well eds n reds.

03 Jun 2014 08:50:02
Eds I'm just wondering if there's any kind of preference for loaning our players to BPL sides if an interested one can be found? It seems obvious that it would be more beneficial but I'm sure all factors are considered. Is there reasons, for example, that a Spanish player might be sent on loan to La Liga instead? Was there simply no English clubs interested in Suso or Ilori or was it seen as the best move for their development? If they do end up being loaned would Liverpool prefer Aspas, Alberto, Suso etc to play the season in England if possible? (I know it's the same question rephrased but you get my drift ;)

03 Jun 2014 08:18:18
Any idea Ilori situation. Please. I was pleased to hear BR got his man, reports suggest he wanted him for LFC. He has had a good season on loan in a decent league.
We are always linked to CBs and I would like to know if Ilori is in the plans. How is he rated.
Thanks

I can see Skrtel going to Napoli and Lovren coming in Toure might leave that leaves Lovren Agger Sakho and Ilori more than enough and if you add Toure if he dosen't go your back four is instantly one of the best in the league and Moreno on the left Flanagan on the right your have a solid young back four with the experienced Lovren being the Caragher style leader lacked all season Johnson Enricue Skrtel would recoupe all of Morenos fee at least

03 Jun 2014 12:43:45
Paddy, I thought it was Agger that Napoli are interested in?

03 Jun 2014 13:47:21
It is Agger that is of interest to Napoli. I don't see Toure leaving as it might cost us quite bit.

03 Jun 2014 08:00:27
I get infuriated by some of the posters on her with regards to Lallana.

If I have to read once more Ed put we have simply not met Southampton's valuation I will scream.

Its simple guy's.
They want more then we have offered.
No one is being difficult.

Lets put it another way.

Are we being difficult with Stoke with our valuation of Oussama Assaidi?

Same scenario but with us in the driving seat.

If stoke don't meat the asking price and we won't negotiate they will walk away.

SIMPLES.

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

The difference is we don't have an unrealistic price for a player that's served us well & now wants to move up to further his career that's the difference. They don't value him as high as they want us to pay they just don't want to sell so are asking a ridiculous price. This is Southamptons fault not ours as the eds say. They are entitled to not sell but the fact they have put a price on him means they are willing but only for an unrealistic inflated price. We want to pay about what he's worth, a fair pricefor both clubs. We aaren't trying to rip them off with our offers.this is Southampton being deliberately unreasonable

03 Jun 2014 12:51:01
I don't see a problem, they want to keep hold of their best player and we either have to match that figure or look elsewhere. It's not rocket science and we do the same and made us keep Suarez last year.

@ fanatic viewer

But he is a Southampton player - they have every right to put whatever price, reasonable or unreasonable, on his head. I don't really see how they are being awkward - this is business, he is a prize asset and they want substantial compensation for his loss. We'd surely do the same with Suarez no?

Fanatic viewer, no, just no.

I am glad some other fans on here agree with me.

Assaidi.no way worth what we are reported to be asking. So are we being difficult?

If RM (or any team for that matter) tried to buy Suarez for £50 mill and we waned MUCH more. would we be being awkward and stopping him "moving up to further his career?"

If we don't value Lallana as much as they do and we are not prepared to match it, walk away and find someone else.

Not draw it out over weeks maybe month's to end up either paying the full asking price or walking away.

The Eds have said all we have to do is match what Southampton want for the player. Obviously we are not prepared to do this so just walk away now.

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

03 Jun 2014 07:50:05
Here's a question for fellow reds:

Q. Emre Can or Will Hughes? I would imagine the price would be in a similar region for either (£9-12mil)

I have to confess I haven't seen much of Can before it was announced we where interested. From what I've read he's versatile which is a big box tick for BR's prefared player profile. Apparently he can play LB as well as CM or DM.

Will Hughes is player I've been aware of for some time being a Football Manager/Fifa addict! (But back in the real world) I've watched him only a few time including the Championship play-off final. He played about 60-odd minutes and looked lively and had plenty of drive.

Both have time on there hands at 20 and 19 respectively. It's a tough call, what's everyone's thoughts?

Would you sell Lucas and replace him with either? Or keep Lucas one more year as a squad player whilst either 'beds in' to their new club.

Brilliant question because it's so hard to give any definitive answer. In both cases you'd be gambling on potential as opposed to actuality. That said I like the jib of both these lads but I think Hughes will cost more than Can (slightly). dammit, I can't decide, lol.

Can on his versatility (haven't watched either but read that can can play several places

I like both but Can is cheaper and has experience at a big club and has played CL. Therefore he's further on. Different players who would be deployed in different positions by Liverpool though.

I'd probably go for Will Hughes as we seem to be building up a strong, domestic contingent within our squad - he'd add nicely to that. He also has bags of potential and, for the system we play, would fit into it seamlessly. I've not seen much of Can but, given the contractual problems involving Bayern, I'd think Hughes, if we were going to make a move, would be the slightly better option.

I watched a video this morning with all the highlights of can during the leverkusen v dortmund match and my god he gave the ball away a lot. Looked very sloppy, johnson esque.

Obviously one game isn't anything to judge a player by but it really wasnt good, hope he's actually a good player.

02 Jun 2014 21:37:33
Hi Eds, just wondered whether you have seen much of Shaqiri playing? And what your opinion of him is? I don't pretend to have watched every player Liverpool might be interested in and I also don't think FIFA 14 stats determine whether a player is any good or not. Thanks

{Ed002's Note - There is no question that he is a decent player.}

He is a very quick versatile attacking midfielder. He can play either flank, or in the hole and even in midfield if required. He runs a bit like Tevez; very fast, powerful, low centre of gravity and exceptional balance. His end product is a bit inconsistent. He is too direct for Guardiolas liking, but he'd suit us down to a tee. I'd go and fetch him from Munich myself and just forget about Lallana at the price being quoted. He is predominantly left footed but he can use his weaker foot. Powerful long range shot and great at driving beyond players effortlessly. Defensive awareness is not non-existent but needs work.

Cheers for that EMS.

I was told the reason teams have walked away is due to the players desire to play for real Madrid, his heart is set on it and he is showing no passion to sign for anybody else, also the fans know this and that is why they have turned on him.