Liverpool Banter Archive December 03 2010

 

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03 Dec 2010 23:55:58
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We really need to be lookin for decent wingers some ones that will take our oppisition i respect kuyt but in fairness to the lad its not his position he can't get past anyone and always looks to play the ball back to johnson and maxi is just as bad the last 2 matches he has the opitunity 1 on 1 with the keeper but decides not to shot and trys dribblin past him , , , , navas honda a johnson is the players we need to be signin kuyt to partner torres up front

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03 Dec 2010 23:06:16
Targets for January:-
Old King Cole
Sakka Cole
Bagga Cole
Slaw Cole
Tonna Cole
Innit Cole
Man River Cole
Porter Cole
Nat King Cole
All of the above would be preferable to Carlton Cole
Mal 44

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03 Dec 2010 22:44:08
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Liverpool seem to be linked most likely to Honda, Hazard, Shawcross (Please No! ), and most recently Marveaux. It seems the media just want to link the club to any player in France because of the Comolli connection. Why would Hazard choose Liverpool over Arsenal (French Foreign Legion), Chelsea or Real Madrid? Don't mean to sound negative, just that we are going to take probably 18 months to two years to build a decent team. Let's face it, we probably won't beat Real or Chelsea in a bidding war. Isn't Honda really an Attacking Midfielder? Where does that leave Gerrard/ Cole? I can't help but feel we'll sign maybe one player this window if any. Roy even said recently he's happy with his squad. What do you think?

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03 Dec 2010 22:13:11
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What about Rafa as manager again and Roy as assistant manager. . just get rid of sammy lee?

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03 Dec 2010 22:04:21
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Agger is a class act, frustratingly injury prone though. But would you want to get rid of him for some one else who is more reliable.

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03 Dec 2010 22:02:47
Ed, what is your best ever Liverpool Premier League goal?

Its gotta be collymore in the very first 4-3 thriller with newcastle! {ed's note - Gary Mac from 45 yards in the final minute against Everton, was so good to go into work afterwards and see all the Toffees there were off sick that night!}

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03 Dec 2010 21:30:49
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I cannot understand Roy. In a 4-4-2 you need two wingers with pace two get down the line and put in crosses. That is the cutting edge for a 4-4-2. Liverpool is not currently blessed with any great wingers but Rpy does not even play what is the best we have to offer. Instead he puts s* te like Maxi, Joe Cole, and out of position Kuyt/ Pacheco. I would play Jova on the left wing and Ryan babel on the right. Bot have pace and can beat a player and then cross in on their strong foot. Buy a better right winger in January if possible like Payet or Hazard. But for now we need a cutting edge and the only way I can see us getting one is pace down the wings. What do you think Ed? {ed's note - it doesn't have to be about pace, Beckham proved that you just need to be able to make the space to cross. The most important thing is the ability to cross the ball well, neither Babel nor Jovanovic can cross to save their lives (mind Kuyt and Cole etc aren't much cop at crossing either!).}

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03 Dec 2010 21:26:40
Ed can ask u please can you have a look at site setting please as the page dosnt fit on my iPhone we did have this prob a while back a few ppl said it and someone sorted it out anyway it's happened again would it be poss to sort it out please Ed? Nice 1 {ed's note - sorry mate, I have been in a meeting all day, I will get it looked at over the weekend for you though.}

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03 Dec 2010 21:24:58
It's happening again. Before the summer transfer window: "a striker is our main priority", but we wait to the last week and fail to sign one.
Last week it was the same story, loads of strikers linked, but now all I see is: shawcross tops wishlist, liverpool in for mexes etc. For god sake we need to focus on the wings and upfront, not waste our money on some over rated stoke city centre back (shawcross)!

Please roy striker first, winger second, then a centre/ left back.

The team roy will now play:

Reina
Johnson Skrtel Krygiakos Konchesky
Kuyt Meireles Lucas Maxi
Torres Ngog

Team we should play:

Reina
Johnson Kelly Skrtel Aurelio
Maxi Meireles Lucas Jovanovic
Babel/ Cole
Torres

From the luk of the team above, we only need a striker, right/ left winger and possibly a left back. With Gerrard and Agger back very soon we certainly don't need a centre back: skrtel, kelly, wilson, agger, krygiakos, carragher.

E.H LFC

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03 Dec 2010 20:57:02
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Does anyone think kanoutie would be a better buy than Carlton Cole? What do u think Ed plus wot price range would he be, sure if Liverpool went for him he would join since joining Seville he has done well hasn't he? {ed's note - he is a bit on the old side mate.}

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03 Dec 2010 20:36:13
Not much happening on man s* ttys rumours no ones posted since 30 nov, they must have carrier pidgeons instead of computers,

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03 Dec 2010 20:24:44
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If liverpool are to sign a striker the only option is darren bent he is a goal scorer with pace

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03 Dec 2010 20:23:02
All this honda talk i watched him for like 3 games now and saw him in world cup my word he is really something?

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03 Dec 2010 20:06:36
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I wish i was dead in 1988 so that my last memory about liverpool is we won the league. n don't need to endure such a pain in the last 2 and a half years. plez god, let me see gerard kiss the real epl cup, not juz kiss the camera when he scored again man u.

Zyban

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03 Dec 2010 20:03:03
ED JUST TO PICK UP ON A FEW POINTS FROM TODAY

Pacheco was pretty annonymous last night but it is to early to judge him

People are becomin Martin Kelly eyed he was not the only one to play well Aurelio had a tidy game at LB to confirm his place at the head of the queue

I thought Shelvey had a decent game considering he got no help from his partner Poulsen would like to have seen him alongside Lucas

Eccleston came on for 15 mins and showed some good touches and movement enough to warrant some more 1st tem action

Dissapointed with Wilson was expecting more maybe too much

Babel was a bit like a headless chicken and had a bit of luck

Cole seems we have been sold a pup

On the ground share not to put to fine point on it and as one of the writers earlier said never with the nutters nest door they are a bigotted bunch of losers still mourning the english ban from europe

New manager would be to disruptive should be a May appointment and no players in until then unless Comolli is deciding all deals and we are appointing a top coach ala european style

and lastly did anyone see the picture in the mail of that smirking little french t* t Platini he was well chuffed we got shafted

TC

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03 Dec 2010 19:53:23
Liverpool Rumours
This is just an observation not based on any fact.
we should sell torres and get around the 50million mark because he only plays well for a quarter of the games in the year.
then buy too decent strikers for 20-30 million each for example carrol and llorente

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03 Dec 2010 19:52:36
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Am starting to get concerned about the number of main stream papers and sites linking us with certain players like Ola Toivonen, Honda and shawcross et al. These are players that I rate and would like to see at the club. But the more its publicized in the main stream media the less likely I feel we are to get these players. I feel those we get in Jan will be kept pretty water tight until very near to the time it is finalized. What do you think ed.
Cheers W {ed's note - that is exactly how I see it too mate, the more it is in the papers the less likely it is to happen.}

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03 Dec 2010 19:47:06
Shelvey is a real prospect but i'm afraid that he will never achieve his real potential under roy hodgson coz looks like roy are not keen to bring our young talent into senior squad.i bet the like of shelvey, pacheco n wilson will already become almost established footballer if they play under wenger.juz look at wilshere, gibbs n walcott. what do u think ed?

Zyban {ed's note - I would expect Wenger to blood them much more than Roy does, hopefully Roy will see sense and not give Poulsen another game and use a youngster instead.}

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03 Dec 2010 19:29:25
According to sources in spain, Xabi Alonso is unhappy at Real Madrid. Tomato source beleives he will move to another country preferably Italy or back to england to possibly link up again with Liverpool according to Hoisen

No thank you. We have Meireles, Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey, we don't need him. He will only hold back the young players. We could sign him and trade him in for Llorente, Alonso is Basque.

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Wow dude , you must be so clueless? have you watched liverpool in the last 2 years? rubbish . .
When xabi was here we created chances , His long balls and through passes are spectacular. . He was the best midfielder we ever had last 5 years imo. .
When he left everything went downhill. .

Gerrard and xabi = best midfield ever =x

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Alonso was brilliant when he first came and in his final season with us (after Rafa tried to sell him to buy Barry the summer before) but was poor for two seasons in between. We always remember with rose tinted glasses. Don't get me wrong, a class player, just keeping it real here.

Fitzy.

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03 Dec 2010 19:13:52
Liverpool Rumours
Must play some youngsters! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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03 Dec 2010 19:12:07
Liverpool Rumours
This is what the team should be till january:

Reina
johnson/ kelly skrtel kelly/ wilson aurelio
kuyt lucas mereleis pacheco/ another youngster
cole
torres

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03 Dec 2010 19:09:17
This is theturdz speaking
ed have you any idea what happened to the 70s wolves manager sammy chung {ed's note - I don't mate, last I heard he was out in the Caribbean, but I have no idea what happened to him since then. That was when I was starting the site I read a piece on him out there, I think.}

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03 Dec 2010 18:47:40
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Ed do you know what Sanchez is like at club level because if he is constantly in his world cup form we need him but what are our chances of getting him in summer any info on likely signings would also be welcome. Redchris {ed's note - every time I have seen him he has been good, he just needs better players around him to get the best from him.}

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03 Dec 2010 18:43:42
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Ed, what is your obsession about Honda? If we're going to improve we need players that will make a difference & not a squad player!

Gav the Red {ed's note - he would be more than a squad player, he is top class.}

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03 Dec 2010 18:38:29
POULSEN vs MASHERATNO


How about, Poulsen just plays against weaker opposition. I bet you if you looked at Babel's record it would say something similar. I never thought much of Masherano, but he played the important games. Poulsen plays only easy games or when others are injured/ suspended. Stats can lie sometimes.

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03 Dec 2010 18:34:34
Pacheo and Kelly signing new deals is great news. But, it will mean absolutely nothing if they don't start playing more games. Further more, if Pacheco only gets his chance playing out on the right hand side it will be pointless. Stick him up beside Torres & play Kelly at CB instead of Carra for the next few months.

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03 Dec 2010 18:16:41
Liverpool Rumours
03 Dec 2010 10:25:44
According to sources in spain, Xabi Alonso is unhappy at Real Madrid. Tomato source beleives he will move to another country preferably Italy or back to england to possibly link up again with Liverpool according to Hoisen
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No thank you. We have Meireles, Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey, we don't need him. He will only hold back the young players. We could sign him and trade him in for Llorente, Alonso is Basque.
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Sometimes it is best to move on. But with Alonso I would love to have him back. He knits everything together. I also see him as a possible future Liverpool Manager in 10 -15 years time.

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03 Dec 2010 18:00:27
03 Dec 2010 17:02:13
Ed and anyone else, do you really, deep down feel shelvey is very good? because I really havn't seen him play outstandingly well yet. Just my opinion.

{Editor's Note: He is young and really only starting his career. Needs some time.}
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Napoli away was his stand out performance for me. That match showed me he had all the qualities to be a midfield general. posible replacement for gerrard. but obviously he will have to impress in every game to be a regular!

also for england hes played extremely well.

Harry5:)

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03 Dec 2010 17:58:51
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Do you reckon we should loan Pachecho out to a lesser Premier league team for the rest of the season? Look how well it has worked for the mancs and Welbeck and Wilshere at Bolton last season.

Ed thoughts? {ed's note - if he is not going to get games for us then he should be loaned out, he is just wasting his time in the reserves.}

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03 Dec 2010 17:43:10
Liverpool Rumours
Is it worth going to the steau return trip at anfield we all know what Roy will do?

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03 Dec 2010 17:41:37
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Skytl is our weakest link in defence ive analysed all our games and the amount of fck ups he makes are unexcusable. Kelly should be given a chance just like Manure give there young lads a chance.

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03 Dec 2010 17:20:43
Liverpool Rumours
Ed,
Just seen Pacheo and Kelly have signed new contracts.
Great news is it not ed?

hopefully they start to get games in 1st team soon too

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03 Dec 2010 17:16:13
Poulson is not a good player. If he was that good we would not have got him for £4.5m even at his age. He is pedestrian pace wise and only gives very simple balls. I rate Lucas more than Poulson easily. Mascherano was immense for us, a battler in the middle of the park that allowed others to play. He formed a solid base to work from. He and Poulson just can't be compared at all. Carragher praises Masch in his book an I could only do the same when he played in our shirt. Poulson is the ideal of what we should avoid in the transfer market. Such as Carlton Cole - who we wouldn't be able to get rid of. These are used car footballers.

Spriggo

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03 Dec 2010 17:14:39
Pacheco signed a new contract what happened to the recent post saying he wasnt happy and was going back to spain, proving yet again that people talk s*eep on here give us facts please
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He did want to leave, so he's obviously been told now that he'll get his chance in the first-team and decided to stay.

So you go and check the facts.

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03 Dec 2010 17:13:26
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03 Dec 2010 17:02:28
Hi

I've just read the complete artical (part below) , it makes complete sense that if you compare Mascherano to Poulsen, only 1 difference between the two players. The fans always supported Mascherano because he was an expensive signing. Had Poulsen been younger and cost a packet it would have been ala Mascherano. In my opinion I think brilliant article and Poulsen performs the exact job as Mascherano and brilliantly.
What are your comments to this article eds. Have'nt seen any comments from you guys and why.

03 Dec 2010 08:13:35
Source Liverpool kop

ANALYSIS

When Poulsen plays, Liverpool:

* Are unbeaten in 86% of games
* Concede fewer goals (11 with Poulsen; 14 without)
* Only concede a goal every 92 minutes
* Lose fewer games (2 with Poulsen; 5 without)
* Achieve more clean sheets (7 with Poulsen; 3 without)

Without Poulsen, Liverpool:

* Lose more games (45% of games compared to 14% with Poulsen)
* Concede more goals more often (1 every 72 minutes)
* Are unbeaten in only 54% of games
* Score fewer goals
* Achieve fewer clean sheets

I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT. Refute the evidence that proves he is doing well for Liverpool.

have u checked out other players who play same times as he does cos for alls u know it might be them who r performing better when he plays doesn't mean hes playing good jus cos we win more when hes on everytime we see him play he plays poorly those unbeaten games could be down to other players not poulsen he seriously does play badly

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03 Dec 2010 17:12:08
Liverpool Rumours
Pacheco signed a new contract what happened to the recent post saying he wasnt happy and was going back to spain, proving yet again that people talk s*eep on here give us facts please

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03 Dec 2010 17:02:28
Hi

I've just read the complete artical (part below) , it makes complete sense that if you compare Mascherano to Poulsen, only 1 difference between the two players. The fans always supported Mascherano because he was an expensive signing. Had Poulsen been younger and cost a packet it would have been ala Mascherano. In my opinion I think brilliant article and Poulsen performs the exact job as Mascherano and brilliantly.
What are your comments to this article eds. Have'nt seen any comments from you guys and why.

03 Dec 2010 08:13:35
Source Liverpool kop

ANALYSIS

When Poulsen plays, Liverpool:

* Are unbeaten in 86% of games
* Concede fewer goals (11 with Poulsen; 14 without)
* Only concede a goal every 92 minutes
* Lose fewer games (2 with Poulsen; 5 without)
* Achieve more clean sheets (7 with Poulsen; 3 without)

Without Poulsen, Liverpool:

* Lose more games (45% of games compared to 14% with Poulsen)
* Concede more goals more often (1 every 72 minutes)
* Are unbeaten in only 54% of games
* Score fewer goals
* Achieve fewer clean sheets

I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT. Refute the evidence that proves he is doing well for Liverpool.

{Editor's Note: There were comments on it earlier - look down the page and you will see some discussion from this morning.}

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03 Dec 2010 17:02:13
Ed and anyone else, do you really, deep down feel shelvey is very good? because I really havn't seen him play outstandingly well yet. Just my opinion.

{Editor's Note: He is young and really only starting his career. Needs some time.}

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03 Dec 2010 16:59:07
NEWS JUST IN! !

Pacheco played for the first team.

can you believe it? after eveything that has been said on this site he plays, in addition to this (not make sure your sitting down) he has signed a new contract till 2014. .so anyone who said he was off go take a glong hard look at yourself before you post on this site and make up stupid comments. .

YNWA89
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Actually, his agent and that man Balague said he was looking to leave because of lack of first-team action. So no-one made up anything at all, Pacheco wanted to leave and now obviously he has spoken to Roy and he'll be getting games now.

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03 Dec 2010 16:57:31
Liverpool Rumours
Evening ed everyone .alot of speculation on players on here today, but I'm cocerned because there is still no talk of a top striker something we've needed for three seasons. cheers psvelnino

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03 Dec 2010 16:39:01
Liverpool Rumours
NEWS JUST IN! !

Pacheco played for the first team.

can you believe it? after eveything that has been said on this site he plays, in addition to this (not make sure your sitting down) he has signed a new contract till 2014. .so anyone who said he was off go take a glong hard look at yourself before you post on this site and make up stupid comments. .

YNWA89

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03 Dec 2010 16:33:43
Liverpool Rumours
Pacheco and Kelly have both signed new contracts until 2014

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03 Dec 2010 16:32:00
In all honesty from the youth we have the only one I can honestly say I want to see nurtured is eccleston what do you all think of our youth players because I don't see any world beaters with us at the min I do like Kelly though and as said I would like to see Nathan get a chance. Kelly at right back with Johnson on wing should happen and Sanchez should be bought asap.

I made the same point earlier this week and was slaughtered for mentioning I didn't think Pacheco and Suso were built for the Prem. Not that they aren't good players, but their style does not fit in England. By the way, most skilled young Barca players would probably struggle at Liverpool. Their strength is the system which they play from a very young age all the way through the first team. They pass you to death and give you few hances of lining them up for tackles. Our players take possession of the ball and then start running with it. They usually have one passing option before looking for Gerrard or Torres. In short, Pacheco and Suso would have more chances to shine at the Nou Camp than at Anfield.

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03 Dec 2010 16:29:01
Liverpool Rumours
Why on earth does it say on lfc transfer column that liverpool can't make 2 major signings, cos they have limited funds, , , nesv or john henry has never said how much funds will be available they basically said find a target come to us and we will decide if hes worth the money lol papers talk absolutley sh* e. am i right ED

{Editor's Note: I don't know what you are talking about I am afraid.}

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03 Dec 2010 16:25:49
Just a couple of points on players, does anybody know much about this young lad Conor Coady and is he a decent prospect?
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I heard he was nominated for Young Sports Personailty Of The Year? If that's true, then he must be doing something right like.

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03 Dec 2010 16:23:31
Ed, a quick question.
Do you think Roy is aware that the club is actively seeking to replace him? There were acerbic comments from Roy after the Stoke game (when Kenny's name was chanted) along the lines of: 'I'll do my job until told otherwise'. And then it went quiet until the recent Rikjaard rumours resurfaced.

The reason I ask is because if Roy and the players are aware that the owners are looking for a replacement, then how is that good for morale and motivation?

Roy always seems to be miffed and seems obsessed with sticking with his 'do it my way or the highway' approach. Our best players seem fed up with the negative tactics and training from the dark ages and I just think the longer he stays (even if it is only until the end of the season) then the rot is just going to set in and have a knock-on effect.

{Editor's Note: If the club are actively looking to replace the manager he will be aware of it. I suspect that they are not actively looking but perhaps considering their options for the end of the season.}

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03 Dec 2010 16:23:10
Liverpool Rumours
Dani pacheco and Martin Kelly have signed new deals at the club to keep them until 2014, looks like anyone who said pacheco would go in jan was wrong

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03 Dec 2010 16:21:27
Liverpool Rumours
Good news about both kelly and pacheco-signing deals to kepp them here to 2014

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03 Dec 2010 16:20:10
Just a couple of points on players, does anybody know much about this young lad Conor Coady and is he a decent prospect? With the likes of Wilson, Kelly, Pacheco and this lad we could have a decent platorm there in a few years. Not to mention Shelvey if it clicks for him.

As for this Honda move, I'm extremely optimistic about it. We need something different an the Ed seems to love the idea of him coming in which is good enough for me.

We need the signings to make some kind of impact as really only Meireles is decent coming in from the summer.

Need a win on Monday, backing Torres to score.

Spriggo

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03 Dec 2010 16:19:28
Liverpool Rumours
Lets stop thinking of the carlton cole's and other players at west ham who want to jump ship, before they sink, and any other garbage that other teams want to offload! remember folks, hodgson will not be allowed to spread his idea of transfer mediocre madness come next window!( remember the mighty poulsen and co last window! ) why on earth do you think comolli was appointed? to oversee hodgson make our team worse than it already is? to transform us from liverpool fc , the mighty reds, into hodgson's bloody red stocking's !
no, get real, comolli is there to ensure we buy the right tallent for the right price! would you trust hodgson to invest your money?

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03 Dec 2010 16:17:47
Dani Pacheco and Martin Kelly sign new deals.

Great news :) Although I feel Pacheco won't become what he could become unless Hodgson uses him as he's meant to be used, or we get a new attack-minded coach.

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03 Dec 2010 16:17:25
Liverpool Rumours
Just wondering if people have seen Lawro's predictions on BBC this week with David Cameron. Cameron believes that the Villains will beat us 6-0. Just made me laugh, wonder how many people agree him?

CumbrianScouse

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03 Dec 2010 16:15:27
03 Dec 2010 15:45:41
Quick question to the ed. Not sure which ed it is but I was looking acroos the other rumour sites that have expanded from the origonal and there was a conversation on Alonso. People were saying that he and Jose are not getting on with one ed saying that he and jose don't see eye to eye. Is this true and if so is Alonso on they way out and where do you expect him to go. Would love to see him back at LFC but can't see it as he dosent really match NESV criteria in terms of age and sell on value.

Bob Loblaw. {ed's note - Jose has asked for Schweinsteiger to replace him, whether they will get him or not is a different matter.}
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Doubt we'll go for Alonso if he becomes available though. I think a move to AC Milan or something could be possible. If we did get him back, it'd be massive, and it would be a massive morale booster for the fans and players in my opinion.

Man Utd are apparently looking for a CM, I hope he doesn't go there!
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I agree mate, I was gutted when he left. I doubt hed go to united, reading his twitter account he posts allot of lfc based messages and follows allot of liverpool related things like liverpool fan sites and John W henry. I know this dosen't really mean anything as we know alot of footballers will go anywhere but I think Alonso has too much class and I genuinley think he likes liverpool and certainly has a great relatinship with the fans. I know he still has freinds that work at the club. I have a couple of mates that are physios and one of there mates works at liverpool, and he still speaks to alonso quite reguarly. Unfortunately he never really has any info on transfers or passes very little on if he does, which you can understand as it could cause players problems and he almost certainly would get in trouble with the club. It dosent stop me asking anyway. Anyway I think Alonso would be a great addition to the club he has a better chance of hiiting the ground running than anyone as he has prem and lfc experience and like you said it would give, the talented players we have, a massive lift. Just a pipe dream though, I think, as im sure somone who can get grnuine info would have posted this on here by now.

Bob Loblaw.

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03 Dec 2010 16:13:27
Who would sell Fernando Torres, and with the money buy Rademal Falcao, Hulk, Coentrao and Schweinsteiger?

Anyone with brain would jump on that (im)possibility.
You sacrifice one to solve all of your problems. It's a no-brainer, mate. I'd even drive him to the airport myself.

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03 Dec 2010 16:11:02
Ssn reports
pacheco and skertl contracts extended

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03 Dec 2010 16:05:31
Liverpool Rumours
Who would sell Fernando Torres, and with the money buy Rademal Falcao, Hulk, Coentrao and Schweinsteiger?

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03 Dec 2010 15:45:41
Quick question to the ed. Not sure which ed it is but I was looking acroos the other rumour sites that have expanded from the origonal and there was a conversation on Alonso. People were saying that he and Jose are not getting on with one ed saying that he and jose don't see eye to eye. Is this true and if so is Alonso on they way out and where do you expect him to go. Would love to see him back at LFC but can't see it as he dosent really match NESV criteria in terms of age and sell on value.

Bob Loblaw. {ed's note - Jose has asked for Schweinsteiger to replace him, whether they will get him or not is a different matter.}
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Doubt we'll go for Alonso if he becomes available though. I think a move to AC Milan or something could be possible. If we did get him back, it'd be massive, and it would be a massive morale booster for the fans and players in my opinion.

Man Utd are apparently looking for a CM, I hope he doesn't go there!

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03 Dec 2010 15:07:23
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Honestly ed, I wouldn't lie to you on this.
My mate knows someone who was in a car that was driving past Melwood last week and as he passed by the main gate, he overheard a bloke saying that he was in a pub with some geezer who had met a mate of Ryan Babel's who was in Amsterdam at the time but had got an email from some bloke he met in a cafe who knew someone who was never at Melwood but was connected to a bloke at the local fish shop who was saying that he thought he heard that Lionel Messi was keen to leave and come to us.
Now I think this is going to happen.
What do you think of this ed?
By the way, this is my starting eleven for next season once we get the $245,000,000,000,000,000,000 that NESV have never mentioned, nor promised or offered to us.
What do you think of this ed?
Reina
Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio
Dzeko Beckham Gerrard Messi
Cameron Torres {ed's note - not so sure about Dzeko on the wing mate......}

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03 Dec 2010 14:59:00
In all honesty from the youth we have the only one I can honestly say I want to see nurtured is eccleston what do you all think of our youth players because I don't see any world beaters with us at the min I do like Kelly though and as said I would like to see Nathan get a chance. Kelly at right back with Johnson on wing should happen and Sanchez should be bought asap.

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03 Dec 2010 14:54:27
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Quick question to the ed. Not sure which ed it is but I was looking acroos the other rumour sites that have expanded from the origonal and there was a conversation on Alonso. People were saying that he and Jose are not getting on with one ed saying that he and jose don't see eye to eye. Is this true and if so is Alonso on they way out and where do you expect him to go. Would love to see him back at LFC but can't see it as he dosent really match NESV criteria in terms of age and sell on value.

Bob Loblaw. {ed's note - Jose has asked for Schweinsteiger to replace him, whether they will get him or not is a different matter.}

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03 Dec 2010 14:18:58
Every player we're linked to now is either French or plays in France.

Granted, their are some good players and some top young players in the French league but I hope we don't spend all of our time looking there, and spend all of our money there.

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03 Dec 2010 14:03:08
Liverpool Rumours
Toulouse striker Andre-Pierre Gignac could be on his way, The Sport 10 network in France has said that Gignac's agent is trying to push through a move to Anfield
They say the 24-year-old is a tall, strong striker with great finishing abilities. He has great control and can beat defenders with his skill in tight situations. He also takes dangerous free-kicks.apparently?
The LFC site is also saying that Carlton Cole looks to have priced himself out of a move to Liverpool (Yippeeeee!) and he could well cost more than £10million. Well now that is good news! !
China Red.
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Sorry China Red, but that is old news from the summer transfer window. . A.P Gignac now plays for marseille
South African YNWA

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03 Dec 2010 13:54:38
LOL, just seeing Roy talk about his delight because of Ryan Babel's great performance.

He is definatly taking the micky now aint he?

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03 Dec 2010 13:35:46
Always a red {ed's note - I thought Babel was awful, his movement was terrible and he gave nothing to the team apart from the one cross. Kelly was the only one who performed well I thought.}

for me i could'nt decide if it was cole's passing or babels movement. i know your not keen on either but atleast cole was unhappy to come off wich to me means to me he does care that he is playing badly. i've still got alittle hope for babel but i know many have people have given up.

always a red

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03 Dec 2010 13:07:33
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Not sure if my computer is working properly. I've justy logged on and seen at least 3 comments from the Ed, without a following ar@e licking comment from the nuisance that is Mushroom.

By the way Ed, your brilliant. I agree with absolutely everything you say.

Onion

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03 Dec 2010 13:05:41
But man city are already there in terms of having the foundations in place to dominate english and european football for a long time, there is only barca , r.madrid and inter who have sronger squads on paper maybe even chelsea.
where nowhere near that level, also they already have a larger stadium with permission to extend to 60,000?? so how are we going to be better off when the new spending rules come into play.
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Financially, yes they have everything in terms of spending.

But they're losing hundreds of millions per season. Mainly because they're simply a small club with no global fanbase which means little commercial income. And they pay massive annual wages to players which doesn't help, but even aside from that, they still lose money anyway and even before the Thai PM and the Arabs came in they weren't profitable.

When the financial fair play rules come to the fort, they'll have to find a way of getting past it because they would be excluded from Europe and I don't think they'd be allowed to spend.

As for us, we are debt free, and Purslow said we are extremly profitable. Add £36m to that profit each year, which was released from interest payments on debt.

We are in a far bigger position than them. We are one of the biggest clubs in world football, and we want to build to be the biggest, or close to it. Man City have a lot of building to do before they even reach our current status in football.

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03 Dec 2010 13:02:35
Well from what i remember of the game last night, we played well until we scored and then sat back and invited them to attack, as usual under roy.
but a draw was good enough to qualify, now liverpool didn't qualify aswell as cska moscow or zenit but we're through and that's what matters.

i thought babel played well good cross for the goal.
also wilson and kelly played like seasoned pro's.
plus good goal by jova hopefully the start of many.
overall i was please with roys team selection, but he needs to lets the team attack even when there are winning.

joe cole looked like some1 getting back to full fitness (wich he is).
dani pacheco got lost in the game but hopefully get a chance at home against utrecht, with abit of luck as a striker.
very unlucky goal to let a goal in like that but atleast pepe was man enough to hold his hands up.

ed did any1 stand out for you

always a red {ed's note - I thought Babel was awful, his movement was terrible and he gave nothing to the team apart from the one cross. Kelly was the only one who performed well I thought.}

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03 Dec 2010 12:54:32
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EX CHAIRMAN broughton
we are yet to see if his well paid work for liverpool fc has been a job well done or if we are still treading water, after his latest comments on ground sharing with our nutty neighbours i worry that he isn't as informed as we all thought,
he spent months delving through our finances and mixing with everything to do with the club, its obvious he has walked around with his ears closed, lets tell spurs to share with arsenal, and the two birmingham clubs to share, and lets throw in celtic and rangers, we are bigger than all of them and could end up with lodgers we detest, broughton your jobs done please get back to the airplanes mate, bob paisleys skids

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03 Dec 2010 12:46:45
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A JOHNSON IS ON A 100 GRAND A WEEK NO WAY WE WILL PAY THAT SO DONT THINK HE WILL COME BUT LETS SEE IF HE WANT TO PLAY FIRST TEAM FOOTY UR JUST WANTS THE MONEY COME TO LIVERPOOL AN BE A STAR - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
at least make up a calculated guess when you talk about numbers. when he first came to city his salary was £25,000 a week. Mancini is planning to extend his contract by offering £65,000. that's the latest news i heard about him

miccmak

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03 Dec 2010 12:39:52
Does Sky Sports habe an agenda against LFC?, allways seems to come up with story about our players not being happy or wanting to leave.
Today their head line "Reina coy on Reds future"

I don't know anyone else notice last week about how happy were martin and andy when Spurs equlised and when they hit the winner as well

I am getting sick and tired of this!
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Same here buddy. Reina has given no indication whatsoever that he'll leave Liverpool and the media just made it all up, and now we'll have to put up with it until the end of the Summer. It's rediculous.

It was the same with Torres last Summer, he didn't say he was leaving or anything and he didn't say he was considering his future and Sky Sports hyped up all of this stuff about "the big decision".

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03 Dec 2010 12:33:28
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Does Sky Sports habe an agenda against LFC?, allways seems to come up with story about our players not being happy or wanting to leave.
Today their head line "Reina coy on Reds future"

I don't know anyone else notice last week about how happy were martin and andy when Spurs equlised and when they hit the winner as well

I am getting sick and tired of this!

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03 Dec 2010 12:31:30
Will never happen but i'd like to see an experimental side for the last Europa group game of

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Johnson Kelly Wilson Aurelio

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- Suso- - -Nando- -Pacheco


Lets take a look at the Barca 4-3-3 system, that team would be fantastic in alll areas

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03 Dec 2010 12:26:58
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Harry5:) you post alot on here recently but how do you think any one will take you seriously when you use wiki as a source? How do people still not understand wikipedias content is made by the public. .
Why don't you just sit back and see how things unfold instead of trying to feel important and in the no when you clearly are not?
RedRodge

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03 Dec 2010 11:56:19
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According to sources in spain, Xabi Alonso is unhappy at Real Madrid. Tomato source beleives he will move to another country preferably Italy or back to england to possibly link up again with Liverpool according to Hoisen

No thank you. We have Meireles, Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey, we don't need him. He will only hold back the young players. We could sign him and trade him in for Llorente, Alonso is Basque.

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Wow dude , you must be so clueless? have you watched liverpool in the last 2 years? rubbish . .
When xabi was here we created chances , His long balls and through passes are spectacular. . He was the best midfielder we ever had last 5 years imo. .
When he left everything went downhill. .

Gerrard and xabi = best midfield ever =x

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03 Dec 2010 11:49:13
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Just shows how the level ov players at liverpool have dropped and how desperate fans are. us fans are treating and hoping the club feel same as, we looking to the winter tran window like a summer 1. u don't get the good players with match winning influence being sold in the winter window as we need, clubs tend to wait till summer window once more players are available to be replace, as fans, were desperate to see new blood in now that isn't going to take and need time to settle. i know its not easy but i think we are going to just have to bite the bullet and give up on this season and just hope that this squad try and keep us some kind ov self respect, and hope and prey owners do something in summer to give torres/ reina/ gerrard/ cole, joe cole that is, not the charlton player. sorry did i say charlton player, sorry meant carlton fella. ive heard cpl people saying it on here before saying we have to give up on this season and let it go, wen ive read this iv said to my self " no it will come good from next game" but i am realising it now that we have to give up look forwards to the start of next season to start believing in the team/ squad again. a little side ov me thinks we could go maybe to final in europa league, imagin it if we did? i could see owners seeing that as a successfull season regardless of league play and possition

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03 Dec 2010 11:45:47
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Ed! Looking on the official LFC website, the Senior Club Personnel page has a message "This page will be updated shortly." Are we expecting any announcement soon?

{Editor's Note: I expect it is simply site maintenance.}

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03 Dec 2010 11:42:17
Just been thinking about the stadium issues. And I hope we don't build a new stadium tbh, would it not involve going into debt again? Even though it could be structured and managable I really don't want us in any debt for the future.

Obviously there is the possibility of expanding Anfield but we'd be limited apparantly, and a mate told me the biggest we could make Anfield would be 55,000. I'd be happy with that and an upgrade because revenue would be increased, and the stadium would be upgraded. And we'd get to stay at our famous home forever!

And some clowns even say that without a new stadium, we'll be in decline which I don't buy at all. For the time being, lets just try and enter the Asian and American markets, and make money that way. The stadium isn't the only way.

Upgrade/ Expand Anfield - Agree
New Stadium - Disagree

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03 Dec 2010 11:40:02
All of which I find a bit ridiculous coming from two scallies from South Wales and Leeds. They're hardly hotbeds of wealth prosperity and social nirvana are they? Cardiff is quite possibly the most awful place I've been to
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what t*t wrote this then? no name? ive lived in cardiff all my life and see nothing wrong with it. over the last ten years there have been millions of pounds spent in cardiff, making it a city to be proud of.
social nirvana? i know for a fact that cardiff doesn't have the racial tension, anti-social behavior, crime or homelesness of most big cities in britian.
wealth and prosperity? like all cities, cardiff has some rough areas, but again, nowhere near as bad as some cities ive been to. where do you live my friend? unless you live in cheshire, surrey etc., im sure you have parts of youre city that are pretty dire.
i know alot of liverpool fans from cardiff and we don't share the same views as bale. in fact i think he is a peck, just like you.
big steve177

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03 Dec 2010 11:39:54
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Why would johnson want to go to Liverpool he might as well go back to boro same level of football.

But at least it's a big step up from where he is now, and when the new spending rules come into place Man City are going to go back to where they belong, bottom half, maybe Johnson has the sense to see this.

But man city are already there in terms of having the foundations in place to dominate english and european football for a long time, there is only barca , r.madrid and inter who have sronger squads on paper maybe even chelsea.
where nowhere near that level, also they already have a larger stadium with permission to extend to 60,000? ? so how are we going to be better off when the new spending rules come into play.

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03 Dec 2010 11:34:47
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Broughton has raised the possibility of a groundshare again.

"If (a new stadium) is not possible, then in my personal opinion, groundsharing should be seriously considered, " he told an audience of business leaders.

"Fans are understandably emotional about this issue, but this has to be addressed.

"It's not the case of being red or blue. You can be red one week, and blue the next.

"It's up to people like Kenny Dalglish to communicate the business sense of all this.

"It would mean open minds on all sides."It is noticeable that he has only mentioned this after leaving the club, but it is something Kenny himself spoke about in the summer.I wonder if this is the path NESV have chosen. Maybe if they promised significant transfer spending to compensate the fans it is something they could accept.

Harry J

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03 Dec 2010 11:32:01
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Will people stop linking Janonovic away in january. You cannot play for more than two teams in a 12 month period, so unless he goes back to Standard he is staying put. pLAY HIM ALONGSIDE tORRES! He is better than Ngog.

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03 Dec 2010 11:31:22
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I watched the game last night and failed to notice that Pacheco was playing. Did he do anything to suggest he is a rising star? No.

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03 Dec 2010 10:25:44
According to sources in spain, Xabi Alonso is unhappy at Real Madrid. .

No thank you. We have Meireles, Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey, we don't need him. He will only hold back the young players. .

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Have you been away in the jungle with Gillian McKeith for the past few weeks?

You wouldn't take Alonso back because we have Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey! !

You would probably turn down Ken Aguero in favour of Ngog!

* * *I MET STEVIE G ONCE* * *

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03 Dec 2010 11:30:23
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03 Dec 2010 08:13:35
Source Liverpool kop

ANALYSIS

When Poulsen plays, Liverpool:

* Are unbeaten in 86% of games
* Concede fewer goals (11 with Poulsen; 14 without)
* Only concede a goal every 92 minutes
* Lose fewer games (2 with Poulsen; 5 without)
* Achieve more clean sheets (7 with Poulsen; 3 without)

Without Poulsen, Liverpool:

* Lose more games (45% of games compared to 14% with Poulsen)
* Concede more goals more often (1 every 72 minutes)
* Are unbeaten in only 54% of games
* Score fewer goals
* Achieve fewer clean sheets

I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT. Refute the evidence that proves he is doing well for Liverpool.
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Yeah, but he always plays against lesser opposition, and your abound to concede less goals against lesser quality teams. we don't need a defensive midfielder. its virtually like having another derfender.

Also hes not even a good squad player because hes 30 years old and on high wages.

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You say lesser teams-but lets not forget we are liverpool, most teams in the premiership should be classed as lesser teams. it doesn't matter who you are playing against not losing is extremely important poulsen helps tht cause.

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Lets face it most teams aren't a lot lesser any more im talking about top 6/ 7/ 8 ish.
If you look in the article at the teams it was who he played aginst:
Trabzonspor x2; Napoli x2; Utrecht; WBA; Birmingham; Blackpool; Sunderland; Bolton(SUB); Westham; Wigan(SUB); Bucharest; Man Utd
Theres only one good team there and its (cough) mancs. and we conceded what was it, oh yes 3 goals.

SO he only plays in matches when the OPPOSITION ARE LESSER TEAMS. SO in theory we are less likely to concede goals, than if we were to concede goals agaist better teams. which is obviously more likely

So also your another Hodgson fan then, in that I mean, 'I would rather not lose than go out to win'.
That should not be our phillosophy. Our pohilosophy should be to go out and win. WE ARE LIVERPOOL.
All Roy seems to want to do is defend and counter attack teams, were doing it in almost every match now. It is what mid table teams do. And guess what, we are at midtable [10th], he couldn't get us any more midtable than if he tried. He is making us a midtable team. Am i the only person who sees this?

God, we're almost half way through our fixtures and we only have 19 points in 15 games. Isn't it 40 points to survive relagation? i know we won't get relagated, but that's not the point. We have played almost everyone bar 4, and were still mid table. If your happy with it then good luck. But i am certainly not. The sooner he leaves the better for the club, fans and the players!

Harry5:)

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03 Dec 2010 11:29:53
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No thank you. We have Meireles, Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey, we don't need him. He will only hold back the young players. We could sign him and trade him in for Llorente, Alonso is Basque.

if ur holding it against his cos he basque, why?
he donst feel so much of it otherwise be at barca not real wouldn't he?

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03 Dec 2010 11:29:47
To who eva said no to alonso.are u nuts he is class , i would love it if we cpuld get him back but i don't think real are as stupid as rafa was. . rafa let the fans down big time on that

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03 Dec 2010 11:25:59
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20 mins to go, but regardless of whether we win our not, we need to sack roy, drop joe cole, babel. Do not blame pacheco for his poor performance, it's roy's fault. His passing range isn't like stevie's, not used to hoofing. He is also not a full back not used to defending all day long. Kelly man of the match. Ed do you agree? {ed's note - yes mate, this is a game that only a defender is going to be able to play well in, for us anyway. Pacheco has no hope and Kelly is the MOTM for me too.}
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Total bull shee* lads. . Pacheco is nowhere near ready can't blame the manager for this.Is it his fault that Reina lets one thru his legs. no, {ed's note - it is his fault that the team is sent out to defend though.}
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You do realise its a youngish team playing away in europe? ?a point takes us through.Pacheco is to week if you can't see that somethings up.Your so obssesed with Hodgson now your opinion is biased {ed's note - or perhaps you can't see that being big and strong has won absolutely nothing for England in years? It is technique and skill that is the most important thing and Pacheco has those.}
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Watching your discussion with interest. In recent weeks on this site Pacheco has been built up and up into something he is not, yet. He is a promising player and may develop into a really good one, or he may not. But lets keep a bit of perspective here. I'm from Ireland and the same thing happened when Andy Reid wasn't playing for the Republic, suddenly he was Maradona even though he couldn't get into the Sunderland 1st team regularly.
Fitzy {ed's note - I agree he is not the finished article, but he needs matches to grow into the side. The ridiculous reasoning about his size and strength is incredibly crass, Rush was half the strength of Pacheco when he first broke into the team.}

It was a poor team display. Everyone put a foot wrong(with the exception of a certain Martin Kelly). Pacheco wasn't helped by poor distribution from Poulsen, Kygriakos, Wilson and Shelvey. Nor was he helped by a selfish Babel or a Joe Cole who can't even hit a first time ball from 12 yards. His off the ball movements were very good if you ask me, much improved than his Northampton performance where he left Kelly exposed.

P.S. Why can't Johnson tackle like Kelly?
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Can't agree with last poster. Whilst I do rate Pacheco as a future star and agree he needs more support I cannot agree that Shelveys distribution was poor. His passes found more white shirts than anyone else's and he broke up a lot of attacks with good interceptions. I think his performance was particularly creditable as he had Poulsen alongside him who is certainly playing very poorly at the moment.
It is a bit harsh to expect cb's to pass the ball out of defence all the time as often, particularly last night , they just have to clear there lines quickly and do not get the time and space that midfield players do.
Kelly did of course do well and looks like being an asset to the club for many years.

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03 Dec 2010 11:23:01
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{ed's note - nope, but you have to remember the choice was between that and Australia, USA was never in the running. Australia is too far out of the Euro timezones for television, that would have destroyed the money FIFA earnt, Qatar was always going to get it.}
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Another thing I like about Qatar is that they're not being wasteful. Time and time again we see a country host a World Cup, and the stadiums are rarely used again and if they are they all are half empty. Like S.Africa has about 10 top stadiums going to waste.

Qatar have set aside $50billion and plan on building stadiums which can be dismantled. And they will donate the materials to third-world countries for their use, or for them to build the same stadium again. And they plan on doing that will as many materials as possible that will be used to build other things. I think that's great, atleast the stadiums won't sit empty and the materials will be used.

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03 Dec 2010 11:16:30
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A JOHNSON IS ON A 100 GRAND A WEEK NO WAY WE WILL PAY THAT SO DONT THINK HE WILL COME BUT LETS SEE IF HE WANT TO PLAY FIRST TEAM FOOTY UR JUST WANTS THE MONEY COME TO LIVERPOOL AN BE A STAR
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Bollox not even man city would pay 100k a week for a young uncapped winger from boro, its not like there was a bidding war for him, 100k my arse

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03 Dec 2010 11:09:38
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To the post 10:25

plz do respect alonso, we reds DO LOVE ALONSO ALOTTT. .HIS A GRETEST PLAYER EVA. .IT JUST BECAUSE OF RAFA HE WENT OFF. .N IF HE PREFER TO JOIN US BACK. .NOT A PROBLEM 4 US TO SELL POULSON, LUCAS, SHELVEY. .TO BRING XABI BACK HERE. .

MEIRELES * ALONSO GREAT FORM AGAIN. .

PLZ RESPECT XABI, ORELSE OUT PLZ~

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03 Dec 2010 11:09:19
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{Editor's Note: I think Qatar will do a great job for the whole region. I also think it was nailed on that the 2022 World Cup would go to Qatar.}

Ed, is you're name Sepp (Slap in the face) Blatter? {ed's note - nope, but you have to remember the choice was between that and Australia, USA was never in the running. Australia is too far out of the Euro timezones for television, that would have destroyed the money FIFA earnt, Qatar was always going to get it.}

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03 Dec 2010 11:04:41
Hey ed, I'm curious to know who these players in our team are that you are friendly with who you claim have given you information in the past. We know from previous comments it can't be Gerrard and Carra. The way you have slagged off Joe Cole must rule him out. It doesn't sound as if you are the biggest Glen Johnson fan either so who does that leave? I wouldn't have thought it would have been a foreign player but then again maybe you are known as EL EDDO or even PachEDo!

Harry J {ed's note - I can't say as that would get them into trouble, but I will say my feelings about someone as a player doesn't necessarily follow with my knowledge of what kind of person he is off the field.}

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03 Dec 2010 11:02:27
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A question for you ed? Being realistic if you had the chance to sign three players who would it be and y?

Keep up the good work

PS Suso and sterling will be something special :) :) {ed's note - Honda, because he is excellent in all the positions we are weakest in, would really improve the team and bring in money if marketed correctly. Oh and he is a dead ball specialist, something else we are lacking in, Gerrard is too good in the air to be outside the box taking them. Llorente to be the partner to Torres, he is big, strong, quick, good in the air and has good quality with the ball at his feet. He can score and create goals, I think he would be the best partner for Torres we could possibly buy. Plus his name being Fernando Llorente Torres, it would be great having two Fernando Torres' up front, imagine how scary it would be for defenders! The last one would be a pacy tricky winger in Alexis Sanchez, he offers so much pace and the ability to ghost past defenders with the ball at his feet, I really don't see anyone in our team with that skill any more. What about you?}

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03 Dec 2010 10:55:49
All of which I find a bit ridiculous coming from two scallies from South Wales and Leeds. They're hardly hotbeds of wealth prosperity and social nirvana are they? Cardiff is quite possibly the most awful place I've been to
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You've obviously never been to Hull then?

MUSHROOM {ed's note - or Doncaster....}

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03 Dec 2010 10:55:10
I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT.
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If you can't see he's carp then you are just stupid. Sit down, and ask yourself, why do all Liverpool fans bar one thicko (YOU) think he is carp? The player himself, including the manager have recently talked about his poor form.

Forget the stats, stats are deceiving. For example, in the 08-09 season Xabi Alonso was our best player by far, absolutly outstanding. Yet he didn't score many goals, and he didn't get many assists. Now people would look at that and suggest he had a carp season if they never watched him wouldn't they? But he didn't, stats deceive. Get the drift?
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Oh my goodness I have wrote "carp" instead of "crap" for the second time this week. How embarassing. . . . . .

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03 Dec 2010 10:50:35
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No thank you. We have Meireles, Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey, we don't need him. He will only hold back the young players. We could sign him and trade him in for Llorente, Alonso is Basque.
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I don't want Alonso anyway as you say there are plenty we have for CM but not Spearing. He did show promise but is not at a level we require. Neither is Poulsen, get rid of him too.

MUSHROOM

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03 Dec 2010 10:44:38
I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT.
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If you can't see he's carp then you are just stupid. Sit down, and ask yourself, why do all Liverpool fans bar one thicko (YOU) think he is carp? The player himself, including the manager have recently talked about his poor form.

Forget the stats, stats are deceiving. For example, in the 08-09 season Xabi Alonso was our best player by far, absolutly outstanding. Yet he didn't score many goals, and he didn't get many assists. Now people would look at that and suggest he had a carp season if they never watched him wouldn't they? But he didn't, stats deceive. Get the drift?

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03 Dec 2010 10:39:31
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Re:
03 Dec 2010 10:25:44
According to sources in spain, Xabi Alonso is unhappy at Real Madrid. Tomato source beleives he will move to another country preferably Italy or back to england to possibly link up again with Liverpool according to Hoisen

Very good Tomatoe and Hoisen lol

Lee73

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03 Dec 2010 10:38:50
I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT.

I'll prove it, when he plays next, stay of Google and just watch him play, forget statistics just open your eyes and watch, and you will see all the proof you need! HE'S CRAP! ! ! ! !

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03 Dec 2010 10:37:43
Adam Johnson can follow money and his name will die with him or he can play for glory and his name will live forever

Exactly what Carlos Tevez was talking about

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03 Dec 2010 10:36:05
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20 mins to go, but regardless of whether we win our not, we need to sack roy, drop joe cole, babel. Do not blame pacheco for his poor performance, it's roy's fault. His passing range isn't like stevie's, not used to hoofing. He is also not a full back not used to defending all day long. Kelly man of the match. Ed do you agree? {ed's note - yes mate, this is a game that only a defender is going to be able to play well in, for us anyway. Pacheco has no hope and Kelly is the MOTM for me too.}
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Total bull sh8t lads. . Pacheco is nowhere near ready can't blame the manager for this.Is it his fault that Reina lets one thru his legs. no, {ed's note - it is his fault that the team is sent out to defend though.}
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You do realise its a youngish team playing away in europe? ?a point takes us through.Pacheco is to week if you can't see that somethings up.Your so obssesed with Hodgson now your opinion is biased {ed's note - or perhaps you can't see that being big and strong has won absolutely nothing for England in years? It is technique and skill that is the most important thing and Pacheco has those.}
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Watching your discussion with interest. In recent weeks on this site Pacheco has been built up and up into something he is not, yet. He is a promising player and may develop into a really good one, or he may not. But lets keep a bit of perspective here. I'm from Ireland and the same thing happened when Andy Reid wasn't playing for the Republic, suddenly he was Maradona even though he couldn't get into the Sunderland 1st team regularly.
Fitzy {ed's note - I agree he is not the finished article, but he needs matches to grow into the side. The ridiculous reasoning about his size and strength is incredibly crass, Rush was half the strength of Pacheco when he first broke into the team.}

It was a poor team display. Everyone put a foot wrong(with the exception of a certain Martin Kelly). Pacheco wasn't helped by poor distribution from Poulsen, Kygriakos, Wilson and Shelvey. Nor was he helped by a selfish Babel or a Joe Cole who can't even hit a first time ball from 12 yards. His off the ball movements were very good if you ask me, much improved than his Northampton performance where he left Kelly exposed.

P.S. Why can't Johnson tackle like Kelly?

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03 Dec 2010 10:35:49
According to sources in spain, Xabi Alonso is unhappy at Real Madrid. Tomato source beleives he will move to another country preferably Italy or back to england to possibly link up again with Liverpool according to Hoisen

No thank you. We have Meireles, Lucas, Spearing and Shelvey, we don't need him. He will only hold back the young players. We could sign him and trade him in for Llorente, Alonso is Basque.
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Spearing is rubbish. Hasn't lived up to the player people said he was going to be. He isn't even Premiership level and tbh the only reason he's here at the moment is because he counts as homegrown and can contribute towards the homegrown numbers in our squad (for PL and European registration).

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03 Dec 2010 10:33:16
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Why would johnson want to go to Liverpool he might as well go back to boro same level of football.

But at least it's a big step up from where he is now, and when the new spending rules come into place Man City are going to go back to where they belong, bottom half, maybe Johnson has the sense to see this.

YNWA

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03 Dec 2010 10:26:58
Adam Johnson can follow money and his name will die with him or he can play for glory and his name will live forever

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03 Dec 2010 10:24:39
Ed why does roy not use milan jovanovic as a striker or dani pacheco because the can both play as forwards

{Editor's Note: I think we may see more of Jovanovic, but Pacheco is really not yet ready.}

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03 Dec 2010 10:22:06
I have heard rumours in the past of Gareth Bale and Aaron Lennon both criticising Liverpool F.C/ City Of Liverpool. Is this true, and what exactly was said? {ed's note - it is true, but the exact words are long gone from my memory, it involved the use of terms like bindippers and hubcap stealers though. They were slagging off United and Manchester itself as well, it was not just restricted to us!}

All of which I find a bit ridiculous coming from two scallies from South Wales and Leeds. They're hardly hotbeds of wealth prosperity and social nirvana are they? Cardiff is quite possibly the most awful place I've been to

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03 Dec 2010 10:10:56
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A JOHNSON IS ON A 100 GRAND A WEEK NO WAY WE WILL PAY THAT SO DONT THINK HE WILL COME BUT LETS SEE IF HE WANT TO PLAY FIRST TEAM FOOTY UR JUST WANTS THE MONEY COME TO LIVERPOOL AN BE A STAR

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03 Dec 2010 10:07:04
03 Dec 2010 09:03:14
03 Dec 2010 08:13:35
Source Liverpool kop

ANALYSIS

When Poulsen plays, Liverpool:

* Are unbeaten in 86% of games
* Concede fewer goals (11 with Poulsen; 14 without)
* Only concede a goal every 92 minutes
* Lose fewer games (2 with Poulsen; 5 without)
* Achieve more clean sheets (7 with Poulsen; 3 without)

Without Poulsen, Liverpool:

* Lose more games (45% of games compared to 14% with Poulsen)
* Concede more goals more often (1 every 72 minutes)
* Are unbeaten in only 54% of games
* Score fewer goals
* Achieve fewer clean sheets

I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT. Refute the evidence that proves he is doing well for Liverpool.
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Yeah, but he always plays against lesser opposition, and your abound to concede less goals against lesser quality teams. we don't need a defensive midfielder. its virtually like having another derfender.

Also hes not even a good squad player because hes 30 years old and on high wages.

harry5:)

you say lesser teams-but lets not forget we are liverpool, most teams in the premiership should be classed as lesser teams. it doesn't matter who you are playing against not losing is extremely important poulsen helps tht cause.

me14

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03 Dec 2010 10:03:45
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"The Madness of King Roy IV"

This morning the dreamers are back: a few of the "what do you think of us buying (add in any names that are miles wide of the mark/ fanciful/ unbelievable/ amazing) these ed? . . . and . . . "my mate who knows a mate of a mate of a mate who works at LFC told me (before anyone important!) that . . ."
These are the worst posts on this site - drivel from 12 year olds or guys who can't string a sentence together . . anyway . .

The World Cup - glad we lost it. As I said in "The Madness of King Roy III" yesterday - we don't need it, but at least we've put a dent in Sir David's Beckham's chase of that title.

Last night - so poor to watch. Jovanovic's goal was fair, the build up strong and then we went downhill.
Shelvey - disappointing. He seemed nervous but some of his passing is miles ahead of his team mates.
Pachecho - rightly summed up as a boy in a man's game last night. Very second rate and Eccleston should have replaced him earlier.
Kyriagkos - solid as a rock and just as hard. Not everyone's main man, but he does the business most of the time.
Cole - more and more I wonder why he is with us.
Reina - feeling the strain?
Babel - bye bye.
Kelly - nice and controlled.

To finish - back to the first point . .

STOP writing rubbish about how good next year will . . how this signing will push us on . . how we need this player and that player.
We are a work in process and a long one at that.
Not that I know, but I think we will NOT have the megabucks we have wasted in the past for the new manager.
Oh!
Yes!
There will be a new manager.
Roy Hodgson is well past his sell-by date as far as I and I suspect most other fans are concerned.

"An average club with a MASSIVE history!" (I keep saying it because I believe it - even after 48 years as a supporter).

Steve Parker

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03 Dec 2010 10:00:19
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According to sources in spain, Xabi Alonso is unhappy at Real Madrid. Tomato source beleives he will move to another country preferably Italy or back to england to possibly link up again with Liverpool according to Hoisen

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03 Dec 2010 09:59:03
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Another good performance by Porto last night - still unbeaten this season. Believe me, Andre Villas-Boas is the man to take Liverpool forward and hopefully we will get him next summer.
In the meantime right off this season, and cheer yourselves up with a profitable wager on Porto to win the europa league.

Harry J

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03 Dec 2010 09:56:52
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This is a link to pictures of the QUATAR Stadiums to be built. Its gunna look pretty impresive when they pull it off:

www.guardian.co.uk/ football/ gallery/ 2010/ dec/ 02/ world-cup-2022-qatar-stadiums-pictures?CMP=twt_gu#/ ?picture=369311073&index=11

the country is so small you could probably walk from stadium to stadium, lol. its ament to be smaller than wales!

What do ya think of them ed.

harry5:)

{Editor's Note: I think Qatar will do a great job for the whole region. I also think it was nailed on that the 2022 World Cup would go to Qatar.}

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03 Dec 2010 09:49:04
I have no problem with Russia winning the rights to host the 2018 WC, but for FIFA to dismiss England's bid out of hand is stunning. We had the strongest technical bid, the strongest financial bid, and made the best pitch yesterday. For all of that, we win two votes. Those blaming the media miss the point. Despite the English press, FIFA should still give the English bid proper consideration. And as for Qatar, well that just rubs salt into the wounds.

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03 Dec 2010 09:42:52
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Could it be Rijkaard together with Louis Enrique & Frank De Boer as the coaching team to match Borrell & Secure. All Barca affair. Manager not afraid to blood youth, comolli to buy youth, segura, borrell to train youth. Interesting?

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to the poster - i really do hope so as uve sed Rijkaard IS NOT AFRAID AND WILL BLOOD THE YOUNGSTRES, wich is gud 4 us bcus we have a gud bunch -

Def - kell/ darby/ ayala/ wilson/ mavinga/ wisdom/ coady
Mid - amoo/ ince/ suso/ stearling/ spearing/ shelvey/
Att - ngoo/ pacheco/ eccleston

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03 Dec 2010 09:36:45
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Rumours this morning of Lescott being told he can leave City. Now, I agree he's not good enough at centre back, but I would defo take him for left-back. Remember how good he was at Everton there, and we could get him on the cheap (£5-8m).

Thoughts?

TopCat

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03 Dec 2010 09:03:14
03 Dec 2010 08:13:35
Source Liverpool kop

ANALYSIS

When Poulsen plays, Liverpool:

* Are unbeaten in 86% of games
* Concede fewer goals (11 with Poulsen; 14 without)
* Only concede a goal every 92 minutes
* Lose fewer games (2 with Poulsen; 5 without)
* Achieve more clean sheets (7 with Poulsen; 3 without)

Without Poulsen, Liverpool:

* Lose more games (45% of games compared to 14% with Poulsen)
* Concede more goals more often (1 every 72 minutes)
* Are unbeaten in only 54% of games
* Score fewer goals
* Achieve fewer clean sheets

I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT. Refute the evidence that proves he is doing well for Liverpool.
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Yeah, but he always plays against lesser opposition, and your abound to concede less goals against lesser quality teams. we don't need a defensive midfielder. its virtually like having another derfender.

Also hes not even a good squad player because hes 30 years old and on high wages.

harry5:)

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03 Dec 2010 08:52:46
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LAST NIGHT PERFORMANCE WAS POSITIVE FROM THE YOUNGTERS.

TEAM FOR VILLA;
RIENA
JOHNSTON-SOTO-SKERTL-KONCHESKY
COLE-LUCAS-MERLIES-MAXI
KUYT-TORRES

SUBS;
JONES
AURIELO
KELLY
SHELVEY
NGOG
POULSEN
JOVANOIC

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03 Dec 2010 08:23:45
Well surprise surprise no world cup and rumours rife about corruption in FIFA well this is an independent body with no one to police it but fifa the nutters have taken over the assylum. What can we do bugger all this is a self governing body and we are on our own all we can do is keep exposing these people and hope that the people involed become outcasts from normal society
Word for panorama keep going and drag them down to the gutter they deserve to be in Any comments ed

TC

{Editor's Note: The BBC piece was old news rehashed for most of it. It was produced by an obsessive so failed to give a balanced view. However, the structure of the FIFA, and for that matter IOC, processes mean that they will always be open to possible abuse.}

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03 Dec 2010 08:13:35
Source Liverpool kop

ANALYSIS

When Poulsen plays, Liverpool:

* Are unbeaten in 86% of games
* Concede fewer goals (11 with Poulsen; 14 without)
* Only concede a goal every 92 minutes
* Lose fewer games (2 with Poulsen; 5 without)
* Achieve more clean sheets (7 with Poulsen; 3 without)

Without Poulsen, Liverpool:

* Lose more games (45% of games compared to 14% with Poulsen)
* Concede more goals more often (1 every 72 minutes)
* Are unbeaten in only 54% of games
* Score fewer goals
* Achieve fewer clean sheets

I don't see how anyone can credibly maintain the argument that Poulsen is a bad player for Liverpool. If he is, PROVE IT. Refute the evidence that proves he is doing well for Liverpool.

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03 Dec 2010 07:57:35
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Morning ed. Re italian players settling in the prem. I wiil give you di matteo ashe was class from the get go. Zola took a while to settle. But you got to admit there has been more flops than successes. Broad statement but they in general take a while to settle.

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03 Dec 2010 07:05:02
Well I think most of what we agree on is pretty much the status quo. Its just that often after many comments of ed's, theres a little Mushroom in the corner squeaking 'I agree, I agree'.

And what do mushrooms grow best on. Shi@e. ;)

daveevad
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Absolutely. That's why I keep replying to your posts.

MUSHROOM

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03 Dec 2010 06:21:53
Morning guys. Thought i would throw my two penneth in! ! I am one of those people that stick up for the team/ manager/ players no matter what but its very difficult to do so at the minute. The manager just seems to bitten off more than he can chew, the players seem to be lazy and disinterested. We have this great medical team but nothing has changed injury wise. I was that bored last night i was even thinking about switching over to im a celeb! ! Im not sure what the answer is, we could get rid of roy but i don't think that would cure all the issues we have, if we sack roy today and employ a new one does that mean we will win every game with great fooball till the end of the season. . . . i very much doubt it! !

im interested to see what some of you guys think? ? ?

matty b

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03 Dec 2010 04:02:11
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Why do people think were going to make wholsale changes in january? Only one or two signings tops who will probably be honda and maybe n zogbia and only the same leaving, our squad is to weak to let players go with no replacement so expect babel and jovanovic to go in january if we get honda and nzogbia

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03 Dec 2010 01:46:55
I read that liverpool was interested in Teofilo Gutierrez? Do they know how undisciplined he is?

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03 Dec 2010 01:31:30
Hi Ed-

I have heard rumours in the past of Gareth Bale and Aaron Lennon both criticising Liverpool F.C/ City Of Liverpool. Is this true, and what exactly was said? {ed's note - it is true, but the exact words are long gone from my memory, it involved the use of terms like bindippers and hubcap stealers though. They were slagging off United and Manchester itself as well, it was not just restricted to us!}

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03 Dec 2010 01:08:37
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I was on John W.Henry's twitter, and it seems that a former NESV representative called Eric Wilbur is critical of Henry's takeover of Liverpool, describing it as a PR stunt and saying other stuff which I don't understand. Was being abit of a prick about us tbh. John W.Henry called it nonsense on his twitter
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John Henry sat down with the BBC recently for a one-on-one interview regarding his latest toy, the Liverpool Football Club. It appeared on the BBC web site the same day Henry's Lotsa Love Bear, the Boston Red Sox, lost their switch-hitting free agent catcher, Victor Martinez to the Detroit Tigers, with whom he signed a four-year, $50 million deal, or $32.5 million less than Boston was willing to hand over to John Lackey a year ago.

The two aren't connected, for as anyone who works for the Red Sox will tell you, no decisions regarding the soccer team will affect the Red Sox from a financial standpoint. They are completely separate interests.

And yet, in the navigation bar over on NESN.com, immediately after the Celtics link, there is now one for "LFC, " or Liverpool Football Club.

Silly, Boston.com has a soccer link in its nav bar too. For the New England Revolution, who play 3, 100 miles closer to Boston than Liverpool does.

Whether or not they want to believe it, the Red Sox have a serious image problem, and though the soccer team may not affect whether or not the Red Sox are willing to spend big dollars on the free agent market, the perception of New England Sports Ventures (or the more traditional name, The Boston Red Sox) diving into the soccer end of the pool does nothing to help them re-gain the trust of the fans who they had in their back pocket not so long ago.

But the "alternative" hats have moved on after three whole years without a parade, and what is left is the hard-core Red Sox fan base ready to pounce, showing the same angst and desire for accountability that it had leading up to 2004. Ratings are down. Interest has faded. And the Red Sox go and buy a soccer team.

It is the ultimate PR nightmare to misread your customer base. Based on their success and can do no wrong in this town over the better part of the decade, the Red Sox have seriously fallen into that category. Tom Werner is belittling Theo Epstein on the radio, Theo is comfortable with Jed Lowrie's WAR over MVP candidate Adrian Beltre, and Red Sox fans are force-fed soccer and racing news they have little-to-no interest in hearing on a daily basis.

The Red Sox can no longer approach business with the understanding that the public will buy whatever they are selling. More people believe in the Tooth Fairy than that stupid sellout streak, a disingenuous boast that makes you wonder about the front office. You know they're lying to about that. Why should we assume they aren't in other areas as well?

That's why when the Red Sox tell me the soccer team has nothing to do with the baseball team, I don't believe it. They refused to do anything last year at the trading deadline, Theo is rightfully pumping up the kids, and they just lost one of the best offensive catchers in baseball for pennies on the dollar. They're willing to award David Ortiz $12.5 million, but not the guy who carried them for stretches last season. Ortiz did the same, of course. As recently as 2007 even.

Epstein's "bridge" comment gets a lot of unwarranted grief but the theory behind it is sound. The Red Sox have a core of farm players they believe in, and based on the careers we've seen from the likes of Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz, and Dustin Pedroia, they have every right to feel the next crop of players will serve them well for the long term. But you have to feel for Epstein. Here he is, trying to build this team for the long term, and his owners throw him under the bus for him not saying he'd love to throw $140 million at Carl Crawford or Cliff Lee. You can almost smell another gorilla suit adventure, can't you?

But there's Werner on the radio, promising the fans that the team will sign a "significant free agent." With Martinez gone, it's strike one. Beltre is likely to be strike two.

But who else? Does Epstein really want to give Crawford the kind of deal he's looking for? Does Lee even make any sense on a crowded rotation? Jason Werth? Where would you ever play Mike Cameron, who reportedly signed with the team last season?

Then there's the one guy that would make everybody happy. Yes, Derek Jeter.

In Jeter, Epstein would have the perfect "bridge" player, a guy who would draw limitless interest while the kids grew up. The PR department would have utmost glee in stealing the Yankees' franchise player. The owners, who love to needle the Yankees, would have pulled off the ultimate coup, making Johnny Damon's departure look like Willy Loman moving to Kentucky (would anyone notice?)

Best of all, he's a GOLD GLOVE-WINNING SHORTSTOP.

The Yankees have to believe it's an impossibility, telling Jeter to go find a better offer, daring him to leave his legacy in Favre fashion. If you're the Red Sox, and you have ratings and image problems, how can you not pick up the phone? Three years, $60 million, and Daisuke's jet for Minka should get it done, right?

After all, the Red Sox need something to revive interest in the team. Let Epstein do his job, for tossing money around aimlessly does little in the long term. Building a dependable core of players you can depend on - in any market, small or large - is the correct way to approach the game. It's the in-between part you have to worry about. But when he's got owners making promises and kicking around a soccer ball, it makes his job that more difficult and hurts his perception in the minds of the fans.

Jeter makes everybody happy and the Yankees furious.

In other news, Roy Hodgson was recently scouting Gervinho in France. I have no idea what that means, but hey, somebody around . . .

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03 Dec 2010 00:58:43
We was poor tonight, it's upsetting, our 2nd team just was'nt good enough. Woy please just throw your pride in the bin and leave.

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03 Dec 2010 00:55:27
P.s spelling ok for you this time? YOU DONUT
CHRIS

Mate please dear oh dear, No the spelling is not ok you DONUT, its spelt DOUGHNUT YOU DOUGHNUT wat a tool

it's not 'wat' either. .how do you feel now?
PLUS i'm from a place were we do spell donut that way. thank you.

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03 Dec 2010 00:08:06
Liverpool Rumours
Forgot to mention this part in my below post ED, some of the people commenting on that article below reckon Liverpool will be used to benefit the Boston Red Sox in the long-term. Don't know how, but some of the lads are saying it.

Others are saying that Liverpool won't interfere with Boston Red Sox.

Others talking about Henry's hedge fund? Confused about all that's being said

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