Liverpool Banter Archive April 03 2015
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03 Apr 2015 18:15:11
Ive tried to stay away from the Sterling issue but I thought I'd have my say.
I thought about this as a 'what would I do?' Scenario.
Firstly, remember we are in a sell to buy position this summer.
Secondly, we have 4 players who all play their best football in the same position,
Sterling, Lallana, Coutinho and Markovic(certainly wasn't bought as a RWB)
Of those 4 players, Coutinho is playing excellently and not making waves, Both Lallana and Markovic were only bought last summer and both deserve another season of football with us, they've both played in a few positions without moaning, and they are solid at the moment if unspectacular.
Sterling while probably the best of the 4 players mentioned, is unwilling to sign a new contract, is a very lucrative purchase for another club and is probably worth more scratch than the other 3.
His value will also drop by half if we let him get down to 1 year,
Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to keep him, but we could put whatever we got for Sterling into the Striker that we absolutely need to cover Danny's injuries, while not having to spend a single penny replacing Sterling because of the abundance of options we have in that position.
Basically we have 4 top AMs and 1 top striker. Turning that into 3 top AMs and 2 top strikers is a no brainer. In my opinion.
Again, I'd like to keep him ideally but as long as he's playing silly buggers with the deal, whatever the real motivation behind it, he's a liability and like Suarez, maybe there is a right time to cash out your chips.
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03 Apr 2015 19:15:11
Yeah, he plays in the one position we have plenty of good quality players for the present and for the future. Which is one reason why I would sell him in the summer; the money we get from his deal could be used to improve other positions.
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03 Apr 2015 20:28:22
got to say I would sell to I agree we have just as good replacements if not better I no don't sell people say but once a mercenary always a mercenary. also we need to balance the books and I think a need for a top class striker and cm are more important then raheim sterling.
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03 Apr 2015 20:46:00
One of the more reasoned posts i have read on the Sterling "saga".I see no reason in letting it drag on past the Summer and into another season. Remember also we have a few forwards who may well be moved on in the Summer. So there could be a reasonable pot if need be.
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03 Apr 2015 21:16:35
Did u just say he's the best of the 4 ?? Hahaha that's a good one . They are all better footballers than him . he's just quick with no power or end product . Ibe is miles better . Sterling needs cashing in on . And quick
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03 Apr 2015 21:44:56
Oh my. You all do realise he isn't going anywhere this summer don't you??
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03 Apr 2015 22:19:33
Just read Carraghers take on the Saga,wize words from someone Sterling should listen to
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04 Apr 2015 08:12:35
Can't disagree with that Dave.
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03 Apr 2015 17:48:41
Ojo an unused sub and Sinclair not in the squad again
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03 Apr 2015 19:46:41
Kevin Stewart scored for Burton Albion.
Lloyd Jones scored Accrington Stanley against Danny Ward who was in goal for Morecambe
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03 Apr 2015 17:42:57
Ok fans if Rogers nicks champions league and we win the f.a cup is that enough
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03 Apr 2015 19:18:54
Let him do that first. It's no easy feat.
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03 Apr 2015 19:43:36
IMO, he keeps his job ONLY till december and if he works w/ a DOF. If not, he goes and i`m good with it.
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03 Apr 2015 20:00:28
NO, getting the minimum shouldn't be enough, not if we want to be great again
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03 Apr 2015 20:31:05
We won't win tomorrow and United will so I think top 4 is well gone. We do not travel well to Arsenal.
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03 Apr 2015 22:16:58
Why won't we win hardly impossible now
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03 Apr 2015 22:40:29
You do realise we harly ever win away to arsenal?? No it's not impossible, but not very likely we were awful last time out at home to a team we should of been gunning for but we're woeful, what makes you think we will travel to a team we never win away and win?
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03 Apr 2015 23:18:52
Whatever happens give him another shot. Don't get anywhere sacking a manager every couple years
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04 Apr 2015 03:16:26
He`s had 3 years and 250m to blow with NOTHING to show for it so far so why should we keep him? because you said so or because you`re afraid of taking a punt on another manager? If he goes, he goaes and we will ALL get over it.
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04 Apr 2015 08:14:07
I would still persist with Rodgers for a little while longer.
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04 Apr 2015 09:16:27
Goes or stays, we have to stop him mouthing off. The media was lucky to get more than "Good Morning," off Sir Bob Paisley.
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03 Apr 2015 17:27:45
Konoplyanka is on a free this summer I think
Be a quick winger to replace sterling ???
Yarmolenko also linked to lfc
I wouldn't say no both are quality opinions
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03 Apr 2015 18:17:00
If both are free agents or low transfer fees I'd try for both players.
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03 Apr 2015 19:20:04
I wouldn't buy either. Yearmelenko is just average IMO and Kono is good but he will just block Ibe, who has the potential to become a lot better.
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03 Apr 2015 19:44:14
We don`t need wide players so they will be pointless signings.
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03 Apr 2015 20:15:22
Last jan or this summer was the time to sign either, but unsure if kono on a free is a good option. Lallana would be are only experienced player who can naturally play wide but do have ojo, ibe, coutinho and Markovic. but biased as Kono is a player I like.
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04 Apr 2015 03:33:20
Which one of the two would prefer to play wing back?
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03 Apr 2015 16:56:02
Hey lfc fans.
prediction for tomoro is .
a 3-0 win for arsenal
i think 2 early goals for arsenal and a third late late on as liverpool are trying to attack.
my reasons are lfc don't score enough goals with having just sturridge upfront.
until that changes i can't see anything else but a 5th or 6th place.
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03 Apr 2015 17:51:17
But recent games have also shown that we don't let too many in either.
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03 Apr 2015 18:36:51
Hope your right lobster, for me if we are on it from start to finish and nothing less it will be 2 0 Arsenal but if we're not then you could easily blow the top 4 race wide open again.
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03 Apr 2015 19:20:54
Can you just give it a rest man?! And see a doctor. You are quite a confused individual about who you support. And possibly other things.
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03 Apr 2015 19:46:15
Is Lobster now an Arsenal fan for now?
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03 Apr 2015 20:38:12
He might not be an Arsenal fan but he is certainly a jinx. i'm glad he has given The Gunners his vote of confidence. Arsenal fans should be worried.
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03 Apr 2015 21:48:08
Anything can happen in football. Apart from Mesut Osil winning the ballon d'or
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03 Apr 2015 22:18:36
Sturridge will hit top form now watch
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04 Apr 2015 04:15:30
we will bounce back as we always do against arsenal and give 'em a shock of their lives.
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03 Apr 2015 12:57:37
Hi eds, could you please provide an update on Liverpools transfer targets? Thanks.
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{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed.}
03 Apr 2015 12:53:18
Any truth in today's rumour that SG has stormed out of Melwood saying he won't be back?
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03 Apr 2015 17:42:39
April fools?
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{Ed001's Note - yes it was an April fool's joke.}
03 Apr 2015 17:48:57
You didn't get to the end of the page that said
'This article may be entirely fictional in a feeble attempt at comedy' then?
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03 Apr 2015 11:24:16
Eds reds re sterling, is there any coincidence, that according to a dutch sports journo, lfc have a scout at most games wtching depay, with the players agent in the stands?
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{Ed002's Note - Have you tried searching?}
03 Apr 2015 12:30:28
Or could it be that we want options with Markovic and Ibe are struggling with injuries?
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03 Apr 2015 13:42:06
Depay ain't coming to us, to many other club interested in him and Ed says he is most probably Utd bound.
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03 Apr 2015 15:01:07
We won't sign quality players, soon as we are ever linked with quality we know it's got no truth in it. Injury prone or squad players we are all over that tho.
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03 Apr 2015 10:39:27
Its obvious to me that Sterling thinks he's worth more than he actually is, and he also thinks he is something he, s not, yes the guy has some talent but has a long way to go and having a bad attitude is not going to help him.
If it were me and we were offered £50MILL in the summer I would take it, I know he is only young but when you look at say Fabregas at that age and I know they are entirely different players but from the view of potential, ability and technical ability there is no contest.
Sterling has had 1 very good season for us, but for me has been very disappointing this season and needs to be a lot more consistent and I for one would not give in to his wage demands as he is not worth it.
I think he's waiting to the end of the season to see if we finish top 4, if we don't I think he will be off.
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03 Apr 2015 17:23:11
Fabregas is a footballer sterling isnt. Sterling has pace and nothing more . he's small and weak no power in his shot can't cross or pass always on the floor ir losing the ball. Most over rated player ever. Ibe is clearly better than him .
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{Ed001's Note - Sterling is far from weak.}
03 Apr 2015 19:47:47
because u think he might go does that mean u have to slate him rotten, what happens if he signs a deal will u say the same? how about just leave the lad to play and see what happens in the summer
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03 Apr 2015 19:48:23
Call Sterling what you want BUT physically weak AIN`T one of them. Why? Go ask Mangala and Kompany how sore they were after he ran them ragged for 80 mins in the City game.
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03 Apr 2015 21:30:29
Why is he crawling round on the floor every 2 mins then? he's about 5foot 7 and 10 stone wet . let's count how many times he's on the floor next time he plays i'd bet more than any one else and more than 10times. He maybe strong for his size and weight granted and that shocked a lot of people so people started saying he's strong but when his opponents are 6ft plus and 13 stone strong is something he isn't . Can is strong sahko is strong . Take sterlings pace of him and i doubt he would even be pro.
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03 Apr 2015 22:49:12
What are you on about? half the players in the world are on the floor play-acting half the time. He never gets bad injuries, and he is able to put defenders a foot higher than him on their arses. So how is he weak?
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03 Apr 2015 10:08:28
Any truth in the reports about united agreeing a fee for firmino eds. really think liverpool have missed a trick if true
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03 Apr 2015 09:45:25
Eds
What's happening with Sterling every man and his dog are out to get him and after he's BBC interview it now includes BR
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{Ed002's Note - Why not read the posts? There seems to be something wrong with a disproportionally large number of you.}
03 Apr 2015 06:09:48
Ed's and Reds.
As my previous posts have explained I'm a firm believer that Rodgers will come good for this club if we give him time.
My question to my fellow supporters is what happens if BR does leave in the summer and our new manager/head coach, Klopp, De Boer, Bisla etc. finishes out of the champions league and doesn't win a trophy after 2 years? Do we keeping sacking them?
I still feel BR is young enough to learn from his mistakes and the two most successful clubs in the Premiership's history are the 2 who had their managers for a very long and stable time.
This is not arrogance on my part, as I'll be the first to admit I cried for Hodgson to be sacked after watching us under him in pre-season and refused to give him a chance.
If we do go for someone new in the summer, let's make a promise to stick by them for a long time and stabilise the club and focus on the youth coming through.
Happy Easter Guys!
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03 Apr 2015 08:31:29
How much time? Before if he was appointed I think most would have ageed that 3 years and 250 million should be sufficient but we're only a couple of places higher in the league, zero trophies and were a laughing stock in Europe.
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03 Apr 2015 09:19:03
BR has had nigh 3 years:
- He has wasted vast sums of money, the likes of which will probably never be see again
- He has won nothing
- He shows little development
- His interview/media skills are substantially lacking
- His verbal diarrhea is damaging us and our credibility throughout the sport
It has reached point where I actively avoid BR media because I know it will make my toes curl then angry.
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03 Apr 2015 10:29:16
The major issues I have with our Manager is he talks too much and he's a know it all. I truly believe that FSG have a right to expect at least Champions League qualification this season, after the investment they put in last summer. If we don't make top 4 he should be showed the door.
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03 Apr 2015 10:35:06
So our new manager needs to win things regularly, get top 4 every year, challenge in Europe, develop the youth and play them when they are ready, not too early or too late, speak well to the media, find bargains, and spend big when necessary, but not too much, just enough, play good football, keep our defence tight, keep the moral high, not stumble on contract talks, don't have a name which sounds kind of like a girls name and only whiten his teeth in the off season. You guys don't want much ;)
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03 Apr 2015 10:56:26
How many managers have 3 yrs, a shed load of money to throw at the team, and have owners happy with not being where the big boys play, every season.
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03 Apr 2015 11:24:14
Maybe not every season but didn't he say something about if you spend £100m you should be challenging for the title?
Actually like BR for some reason but he can't stay as manager with what he has been trying. Say he develops youth so far the only youth he has got through were more out of him having to throw them into the deep end. Sterling was our only real option because we had no wingers, flannagan had to play because we didn't have any other lbs and Ibe had to be recalled from loan early due to injuries.
Added to that it takes him half a season to get the team working meaning that these great runs of form he CAN get us to play are wasted. Last season our poor start cost us the title and this season it looks likely to cost us fourth despite their only being 1 team who have played well this season and they are walking the title! Should at least have expected fourth after the money invested, added to that majority of his signings haven't worked out. Have spent a fortune on strikers and have 1 striker we can rely on, spent a fortune on our defence and still dodgey at the back. At the end of the season we have 2 years of terrible dealings to sort out as well as bringing in players in to improve the starting XI, which without CL football will be difficult to do.
If he accepts help defensively and in the transfer market and stops changing rhe style of play at the start of the season think he could do really well. Can argue about saurez being a massive lose but he was banned for 4 months to begin with and knew he wanted out months in advance. So why was arguable our most important buy if the summer (replacing him) not the first buy - instead put it off and ended up with a player the manager clearly doesn't want. Still think if we get it right this summer both in transfer and behind the scenes we can fight for the title, but if we don't qualify for top 4 will be difficult! Arsenal have paid their stadium off and have shown can compete with english teams financially and if they get top 4 United could easily spend a fortune again this summer and buy 3-5 top players
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03 Apr 2015 11:38:37
yeah Fencey, we want Liverpool to be successful. i'm not happy with 2nd, 3rd, 4th. i want to win the league, and BR won't bring us there.
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03 Apr 2015 12:23:19
Roland you cannot be much of a liverpool fan. We were top of the league at Christmas in 13-14. Some poor start eh
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{Ed001's Note - or you might need to go back and realise that we were still poor initially, just like Man Utd have been this season, but managed to pick up points anyway. It depends on how you view a poor start, not on who you support! I hate this kind of idiocy, if you want to be a knob and accuse others of not being fans you will be banned.}
03 Apr 2015 12:41:07
Fencey, if he wins games most of the other ' wants' go away. Given the time and resources he's had to do that I think it's reasonsble that we should be challenging for league, trophies and putting together a half decent run in the CL. BR said it himself last year- spend 100 mil and you should be challenging for the title.
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03 Apr 2015 14:26:38
Not going to argue who I support or not. But we won 11 games in a row (pretty sure that's a record), unbeaten in 16 and had a player who scored 31 goals in 33 games, single handledy winning a large number of games where I was at anfield and we played poorly.and it was overshadowed by the brilliance of one player, Norwich game was a perfect example scored 3 goals from nothing in the first half (scored another in second and left one on a plate for sterling) when the rest of the team was awful!
BR was literally gifted the perfect chance to win the league and still lost it! Can blame stevie all you want but we went all out to win a game we should have drawn against Chelsea then lost a 3-0 lead against crystal palace. United had their worse season in years, arsenal dropped a title winning position, chelsea didn't have a striker who could score, and city won the league by being decent (genuinely were no where near great that season, in fact didn't we do the double over them!?).
One of the few times we had one of the best teams in the league and two strikers on absolutely unplayable form along with sterling, coutinho, henderson and stevie having fantastic seasons. and still lost the league. If you think BR will have an easier chance of winning the league I couldn't agree less (see what United spend this summer)!
We have spent an absolute fortune and had 1 good season in 3, can abuse someone like Mourinho all you want but BR has never beat him and in two seasons is walking the league whilst making a profit in the transfer window, mainly by identifying weakness and fixing it. If he left chelsea end of the season has left a squad in great shape that would need little if any signings to win the league again, even if his opposition actually put up a challenge.
Sorry if it comes across as a bit abusive but love LFC and think people need to be realistic in that if we want to compete are in a worse position than the top 4 clubs and can't have a manager who spends +£100 m on players and performs miles worse than last season.
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03 Apr 2015 15:23:44
How did we go all out attack against Chelsea last season? I don't recall Chelsea creating a chance before Gerrard complacently miscontrolled the ball horrendously and gifted them a goal. NB - the slip came after the appalling miscontrol.
Once we'd lost that one single game, the title was gone. The Palace game was an irrelevance really. If we'd won, it may have put a bit of pressure on City, but nothing more.
Arguably Rodgers had performed alchemy to get that squad anywhere near to winning the title. At the start of last season people were saying they'd be happy with finishing in the top four!!!
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03 Apr 2015 16:49:49
We didn't create a chance because Mourinho organised his team to do just that, something he does fairly regularly. We came onto them and even as you said they did t create a chance and we shouldn't have gone for it, just sat off bored both crowds and got a draw.
Alchemy? We had the 1st and 2nd highest goal scorers in the league! They got over 50 goals between them! Will give BR credit for improving the players but had our best chance at winning the league we've had in years.
Was great to watch as games were exciting but got ourself into trouble constantly that season with silly errors (and every season Tbf!) and got bailed out by our attackers. As we've seen this season without those goal our other deficiencies have been exposed along with the fact they've never been addressed.
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03 Apr 2015 02:59:29
Should be asleep but can't! Was talking about it with mate and sorry to carry on with sterling but who do you rate as higher coutinho or sterling?
Think Tbf it is a hard call as think in his natural position and on form coutinho is the more gifted player, but sterling is more consistent and much more diverse. Added to that coutinho has shown the ability to perform in big games but sterling gets more goals and assist in a season. Say what you want can get 5 goals against the top 5 teams but 10 goals against weaker teams still gets you more points.
Think are both great young players and hope we keep both and build a team around them but still undecided who I rate more.
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03 Apr 2015 05:07:19
If only sterling didn't listen to his own hype imo he is setting himself up for a big fall with his behaviour and lack of respect for a lot of people who have worked really hard to get him where he is.I once heard Bob paisley say the club looked into a player's attitude when looking at signings.I know you couldn't do that at the age sterling was at when he came to the club ,but if he was up for grabs with his attitude he has now and it's 1974-75 season would he be even on the great man's thoughts.
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03 Apr 2015 08:31:32
Chelsea, Arsenal, City, United, Real, Barca. They'd all take Raheem Sterling in a heartbeat.
But us fans don't want him because his attitude is poor. And that's why Liverpool aren't sitting on the perch of world football like the golden era.
Both bad attitude,, Balotelli is here yet Absolutely talentless,,, and Sterling is going on to be the best young player in the world and we want rid.
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03 Apr 2015 09:45:51
Dbull the best player in the world?
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03 Apr 2015 10:28:06
I would guess that paisley wouldn't mind a big ego in a player, as long as he had the talent to match it, and was 100% comitted to developing himself and winning.
Problem with Raheem is that he has the talent potentially, but so far he has won nothing. He has made a below average contribution to this season, and done little to earn the CL competition that he thinks he should be playing in.
Does he think he deserves to play CL, and yet he hasn't gotten the goals and assists to win enough games for a CL place?
Also, his end product is no better than half the wingers in the prem. He is a very flashy player and looks great at times, but he still has a long long way to go before he could be anything like the same class as suarez or sanchez for example. Personally I doubt he will reach those levels with his current agent and management, and I have never really seen what the huge hype was about, even lasg season.
I've watched him countless times slow up an attack by pausing on the ball, or make a poor decision or a weak shot.
I'm very much in the 'raheem who?' camp, I'm afraid, and have always been.
I want to see him gone for a decent price and Ibe given a good run of games, because I think he will never live up to the expectations, whether that be at lfc or elsewhere.
I feel like I'm the only one who can see that the emperor is not wearing any clothes, although every else in the world thinks he looks like a superstar.
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03 Apr 2015 12:31:53
Anonymush have to agree with you. imo a good young English player does get over hyped and the English media to quote Alan shearer love to build them up and then knock them down if he leaves for city,Chelsea,arsenal doesn't get on will the dummy be outa the pram again I think so.
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03 Apr 2015 13:27:20
I'm sure it must be me not seeing something, and I'm certainly no expert so that's quite likely.
He's probably a nice young man being misguided by a persuasive agent, but regardless of the current contract situation, I've just never thought he contributed enough in terms of end product.
But as I say, I don't claim to be an expert, so I can only conclude that with my lack of judgement I'm failing to see the great contribution he makes, that is so obvious to almost everyone else who watches him.
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03 Apr 2015 19:51:21
BR has had 3 years and 250m to blow on transfers. if you cannot win the league at that point, YOU NEVER WILL.
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