Liverpool Banter Archive October 31 2015

31 Oct 2015 23:13:10
Well i think can and lucas have been brilliant glad to see can finally showing glimpses of what he can do altho now hea being played IN position it helps as for lucas so glad he stayed both have proved how wrong brendan was all along let's be glad we still have these two players aftr his reign! Milner what can i say other than having a mare leta hope he takes the hint and gets it together going forward or as klopps said if u don't want to be my friend there will be a problem! Looks like bodgers liked him as he is acting as clueless as he was!

01 Nov 2015 03:21:34
How time have changed. This page were over the moon when we signed Milner.
Big shout to Ed01,Red Rum, Myself, Big Al and the very few minorities who never wanted this signing.

01 Nov 2015 05:43:39
You are unbelievable!

01 Nov 2015 06:02:56
Really Harry? Should we also credit you for wanting to sell Lucas?

01 Nov 2015 06:34:54
AG

I never wanted to rid Lucas. But I always claimed and believed we need a better player in that position and there are quite a lot out there. And I would love klopp to bring a top class Matic type player in the summer.

Lucas is good but then if you press him he buckles and make late challenges resulting free kicks. Lucas is slow and if you add CAN alongside him ( who is not a fine passer ) it makes his life more miserable.

Oscar was poor as well Hazzard. Liverpool got time on the ball after they scored.

{Ed001's Note - you spent the summer saying we should get rid of Lucas!}

01 Nov 2015 06:50:34
Well I would have, Had we shown any intention on buying a top class DM. BR never wanted a true DM instead more like a deep playmaker which made it clear not looking out for a DM.
He then thought nonsense in deploying Henderson in the deeper role ( did not work ) Milner in the deeper role ( did not work ) . Couldn't pull Kovacic in.

What would happen if Lucas gets an injury?

One word Screwed.

01 Nov 2015 08:59:52
So you would have got rid of Lucas-, what would have happened if his replacement got an injury? Screwed.

01 Nov 2015 09:48:36
Really? Can u see past the end of your nose? Lucas getting injured at this point in time would be a blow the team dosnt need but if u actually watch the games, listen to what Klopp and the players are saying you would know that we are building a style of play and system/formation that allows players to slot into and know what there roles are. You have claimed many times Lucas was our worst player and should be sold to deny that is pure nonsense, your either very fickle or are not one to stand by their convictions. Our team is now becoming exactly that, a team, yes certain players will give better or more consistent performances in their favoured positions but what is being implemented allows say Joe Allen to come in and play Lucas's role, I'm not saying he will play it better or even play it well but he will know what is required and what is expected of him in that role and that's one of the biggest differences between Brendan and Klopp.

01 Nov 2015 10:59:08
You just see what you want to see, Harry.

01 Nov 2015 11:35:59
Harry, are you BR in disguise as in, trying to have it both ways regarding Lucas?

31 Oct 2015 22:46:35
I've criticised Martin Skrtel as much as anyone but under Jurgen he's been a lot better. And, Sakho, Moreno, Lallana and Mignolet have looked like new signings.

31 Oct 2015 23:08:37
I've always been a skittles fan to be honest. he's not the best in the world by any means but he certainly saved us many times with superb last ditch tackles. He still does many silly things like major holding in the box and giving silly free kicks on edge of the box away. But I still think he's a beast and wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley.

01 Nov 2015 01:55:59
Sakho has impressed me most (apart from the Villa game) ; his passing is spot on; he reads the game well and what a difference having options to pass to.

Skrtel has been better but he's still not what a top centre back should be - there was a reason Rodgers brought Carragher back into the team in his first season!

I give him credit for not reacting to Costa's antics though!

01 Nov 2015 02:04:24
I think just about every player is better under Klopp.

01 Nov 2015 11:39:36
That is the job of a coach as in, make players better. BR seemed to have no idea what that is.

31 Oct 2015 21:22:21
This Lucas lad has got to be one of the most intelligent players in the game right now. his reading of the game is absolutely top notch. Always (or more often than not) at the right place for covering up any 'harrying up' situations and retrieve the ball followed by swift passing. Good tackler and now also putting his body on the line to block shots in the box. I can sense the pre-injury (the one at SB) Lucas rising again.

Klopp getting an arm around him in one of the games seems to have given him immense confidence. I believe a fit Lucas will be pivotal for us in the next couple of seasons. A big thank you for staying when you could have pushed your way to another club! Now it's time to be rewarded with the respect you deserve!

31 Oct 2015 21:43:53
Can't agree more .

31 Oct 2015 21:57:56
Agree, he is playing very well recently though. he was a bit lucky to stay on the pitch after that foul in the second half. I thought it was a sensible decision of the ref. many refs are not as quick to show the second as they show the first, as a red is a huge punishment for the player, the team and the fans. Still some other referees could have been more harsh with him and that would have changed the game.

31 Oct 2015 22:05:39
So intelligent he should have been sent off.

31 Oct 2015 23:02:33
well said.

31 Oct 2015 23:54:42
Because no intelligent player has ever had a red card, Chris?

01 Nov 2015 00:27:01
Lucas made four fouls in the first 6 minutes. Should've been sent off too. Other than that he had a good game as usual his one problem will always be the same though while he's in possession the opposition are never in danger while he has the ball they can get set up. He usually uses the ball quickly so that isn't a major problem but if a chance opens up while he has the ball he will not see it he has no passing range or vision to pick a pass.

He'll never cross a ball or chip a pass over a player never use the outside of his boot to spread the play. This is going to seem like a negative Lucas hate post which it genuinely isn't we play better with him and look more solid with him without question he's vital and we need him but if he could do the things I mentioned too then wow he'd be world class.

01 Nov 2015 01:17:03
He's a cdm, so if hefinds himself in a position often where he should need to thread a pass with his outer boot or whip a cross in, I for one would be slightly concerned he's gone "on an adventure" and I'm quite confident Klopp would not be amused either!
Sometimes I think people just post negative tripe for a kick.
Lucas has been and will continue to be integral to Liverpool. Quality player.
Your post just contracts itself.
🙈.

01 Nov 2015 01:07:13
I rate lucas but think sam is pretty much right, lucas does the easy things easy which is great but doesn't do that much to wow me. good player with a great attitude but i think i would prefer a great player with a good attitude.

01 Nov 2015 03:28:29
Lucas is a decent player who shines given time on the ball by the opposition. Chelsea after the goal went to the sleep mode Adding to the poor form of Hazzard.
I was stunned when Jose paired Mikel with Ramirez at home.

01 Nov 2015 05:06:31
He is not in the team to "wow" anyone, but to do the simple things, and keep it moving.

A good player with a great attitude is needed in any team and that is Lucas, who never complains, gets on with it and works hard and covers his teams' mistakes. Nobody is saying he is world class either, so I am disappointed, but not surprised with the criticism he gets.

{Ed001's Note - I think Chris needs to watch the game again, Lucas was excellent, as he has been all season.}

01 Nov 2015 05:21:49
Sam have you never seen Lucas spread balls and put in a killer pass only for our attackers to not be on par with his passes? he is most often the player who sets the team off in attack and the player that provides a coaster before things get messy.

In your opinion is Busquets then also not a world class player. with zero goals and zero assists this season is he also one of those good players/ great attitude?

01 Nov 2015 06:39:54
Hyach

Don't think Sam had any such claim. Lucas or any other defensive minded midfielder is not judged on their passing abilities. But then Can / Milner ain't great passer of the ball makes Lucas work more harder.

Problem was Liverpool not bringing a good passing midfielder in the summer.

Busquets always play alongside Xavi.

{Ed001's Note - Xavi is not even at Barca any more, and has only been an irregular player for years now, firstly through injury and lately through being over the hill, so how does Busquets (who is average anyway) 'always play alongside Xavi'? This is typical of you Harry, you never let the facts get in the way of your sweeping nonsense statements.}

01 Nov 2015 06:59:38
Seriously Ed01, so early to jump. How many years did they paired at Barca? Can I just put in a more simple line. A top class DM play alongside a Fantastic CM.

{Ed001's Note - Xavi had ankle problems for most of Busquets career, so he was very in and out of the side Harry. Makelele was a top class DM, probably the best ever, and he very rarely had anyone alongside him.}

01 Nov 2015 07:09:08
I agree Lucas was very good today as he often can be however the OP stated he was intelligent which he wasn't today with his tackles, that's all I was saying.

{Ed001's Note - you might want to watch it again, he tried to pull out and only caught the man because he was falling over already. He was stumbling and that was why he fell into Lucas. Not in the Willian way, where every time a player gets near him he throws himself at them in an attempt to win a foul, but just literally lost his feet. Personally I think that it was because Lucas was trying to pull out, obviously realising he was on a yellow and couldn't afford to make the challenge, that saved him, rather than because the ref saw the stumble. Either way it was lucky for us, though it just shows how lenient the ref was prepared to be as he clearly saw Costa kick out at Skrtel and did nothing, not even book him, for that. So he was obviously trying hard not to send anyone off.}

01 Nov 2015 07:36:36
Makelele was the best ever and I agree. He did play alongside Zidane at Real before moving.
Midfielders who aren't good on the ball to carry forward or measure a pass always need a top notch playmaker CM alongside.
The pair at Roma is a typical example.

{Ed001's Note - when did he play 'alongside' Zidane? Zidane was way in front of him. He was sat deep on his own, just in front of the centre backs. I sometimes wonder if you even understand what it is you are saying.}

01 Nov 2015 09:20:50
Haha, my personal conclusion on Lucas being an intelligent footballer was not solely based on yesterday's match guys. It was more of a cumulative analysis (albeit an amateur one) of past several seasons now. The position he plays in is not the most fashionable. Sometimes a split second late tackle makes you look clumsy as a dm. There's bound to be moments and games when you need that bit of luck on your side. Agreed, that on another day he might have been off. But I'd encourage you all to really observe his play next time closely. The way he is a couple of seconds ahead of players around him to retrieve the ball and find the right player to play a consequent Hollywood pass. He's been a bit vocal too now on the pitch. Clapping his hands and motivating players around him. I'm no expert though, and would love to know what side of his game can he improve upon to be really regarded as one of the gems in his position. Maybe God willing, comparable to the likes of mekelele one day!

01 Nov 2015 09:33:12
while you are all saying how good lucas is not one of you point out how he gives lots of free kicks away around the box, or when he got the ball taken off him and our goalie nearly getting chipped from the halfway line, if your going to point out his good points please point out his bad points then that way its more of a balanced view, he passes side ways, and he gives the ball away a lot, i know i will get loads saying i don't know football and all that tripe but someone who puts the team in danger of conceding a goal because he always gives fouls away around the box is not that good imo, he never learns because he keeps doing it.

{Ed001's Note - are you for real? You do realise that his job is to ensure the opposition do not get to break into the box with the ball right? Sometimes that means taking them down before they can get into the box, where any challenge is likely to lead to a red. As for passing sideways, that is absolute lies, his first thought is always to go forward, it is only when there is no option to play it forward that he goes sideways and backwards. Perhaps you are missing the point completely, only he made mistakes but still had an excellent game, which is clearly going over your head. It is not tripe to say someone doesn't have a clue, when they display it as clearly as you just have in your post!}

01 Nov 2015 11:53:41
Do the words Tactical Foul mean anything to you? That's what Lucas is doing, it's his god damn job, no we don't want him getting carded but I'd rather that than have Hazard/Costa/Willian/Oscar/Fabregas etc going in with only 1 defender to beat or 1 on 1 with Mings. Pay serious attention to what the lad is doing out there and I promise you, you will see that he is fast becoming (again) our most important player and is doing a better job than either what we currently have in the squad or who is available and willing to transfer to us at this time. Lucas did all he could to avoid contact when he saw the player already on his way down, I think the only real reason for the ref having words with him was stemming from the pressure the Chelsea players, fans and management were putting on the officials, as they were doing it for every challenge/tackle we put in. He is in our top 3 players every week at this point in time.

31 Oct 2015 20:46:50
that buzz is in the air is back. Klopp has given everyone including the players the belief we can be better and we will be better. Today was "HAVE THAT" we scored more then 1 goal we conceded in the first 5mins and instead of heads dropping we was on it pressing hard and fast. I love the passion being showed by klopp its infectious 😁😁😁.

31 Oct 2015 20:16:01
Sahko is fast becoming my favourite player, also seems like a top lad too and good in the dressing room. How the previous regime didn't seem to rate him baffles me.

31 Oct 2015 20:59:27
Couldn't agree more. He's a fighter, a good footballer and a good personality in the dressing room.

I think him and Lucas look like they're really enjoying playing under Klopp and have been playing with responsibility on the pitch.

01 Nov 2015 11:58:23
The previous regime wreaked of incompetence and had no idea what it was doing. That's why, Squizza.

31 Oct 2015 19:56:52
What pleased me today was the reaction of the substitutes when we scored the equaliser, looks like there is real togetherness in the club.

31 Oct 2015 20:46:13
That's exactly what I said to my son, it seems the liverpool players, staff and management are all on the same page and swing too.

31 Oct 2015 19:36:38
31 Oct 2015 14:46:54
We're playing a cb in the rb position, a rb in the lb position, and have a natural lb sitting on the bench with us having payed 17million for him. That aside we score early, and what did we do, we sit back and let Liverpool pile on the pressure. I love Jose and I do feel the summer was a shambles and we'll probably have to spend in January to get out of this but with the squad we have their is no excuse for what he's doing, I think it's awful to see brilliant attacking players spending 70% of the game defending. I do hope he stays, I find it hard to believe we'll make to the champions league now but before Jose thinks of criticising the ref he should check himself and realise that he isn't winning anyone over.



So it was true that Brendan worked under Jose. The above is off the Chelsea banter page. Sorry to gloat but we got to take these days when we can Ed002.

😂😂😂😂. Jose = ✊💦💦.

31 Oct 2015 19:25:33
Massive strides being made an once the team gets settled think it will be real difficult for Sturridge to get back in. Maybe even be able to flog him whilst he's fit. going to bite him on the ass may have played his last game already.

31 Oct 2015 20:31:42
When Sturridge is fit he shouldn't have any problem to make it to the team. He should be there before Lallana and Firmmino, no disrespect to eithr. Even if we play a lone striker it will not be an easy choice between him and Benteke, although maybe Benteke has the edge at the moment. But let's first have both fit together for more than two minutes.

31 Oct 2015 20:53:33
Aside from today we haven't exactly been banging them in John. If he stays fit long enough he's one of the first names on the team sheet.

31 Oct 2015 21:17:22
Daniel Sturridge is too good to be sold and too fragile to be attractive enough to be bought by a big club.
At the moment he's probably worth the wages just to keep him as a possible threat.
I was hoping that his treatment in America was going to pay off but it seems he's destined to see more of the medical staff than the coaching staff!
However, when fit he's as good as it gets in this country so, on balance, he's better on our books than elsewhere at the moment.

31 Oct 2015 23:08:45
I'm not down on Sturridge more the fact I think Jurgen going to want someone more dependable. Everyone bar Milner upped there game. soon firmino going to be a cornerstone. ( coincidence ) Jurgen knows his game well. Can't just say drop him or lallana who to be fair is getting better too. I think the work rate required will see Dan pull even more muscles. Just a thought.

31 Oct 2015 18:49:37
A guy whose gone a little under the radar is Benteke. I wasn't convinced he was worth the money But he's scored a goal every 140 minutes so far, good enough for 20-25 goals over a full season which is what we hoped for. Want to make sure he gets the praise he deserves.

31 Oct 2015 18:59:04
He changed the game when he came on today. It was an excellent substitution at the right time, just as we started to pick up pace, and Benteke's introduction just gave us that little bit extra. Terry and Cahill never even got close to him in the air or on the ground, and he scored a good goal too. Now it's 4 goals in 8 PL appearances for him.

31 Oct 2015 19:36:55
Ag what did you think of the game mate? And team selection, credit where it's due, you called it right my friend.

31 Oct 2015 19:43:21
Agree lads. That header down for Couts second was pure pure class.

31 Oct 2015 23:10:32
I agree about Benteke and he gave our attack a focal point; I'd also say well done to the team today - after the first half finished we had 65% posession away from home against the current champions and who we had not beat in 8 league games.

We're not the finished article but we are looking more solid and the players look really happy - I do think we were lucky when one or two decisions could've gone against us - but you take the hand you are dealt with and this will be a massive confidence boost for everyone at the club!

01 Nov 2015 00:58:30
I thought Firmino did his job up front but the end result of the substitution was the best set up we have had in some time.

31 Oct 2015 18:32:07
Thank you Coutinho for making me look a right bell and finally pulling a performance out of your magic hat.

Still hoping he will start playing like that more consistently but humble pie's never tasted so good. Someone pass the custard please!

31 Oct 2015 18:49:22
Good to see a fan admit they were wrong for a change EMS.

I'm hoping you do this with a player before every game now and they score a brace.

31 Oct 2015 18:57:54
Bound to happen . I took pip out of my fantasy team this week and Harry Kane last week.
Urghhhh.

31 Oct 2015 19:50:22
*bell
look Adam?
happy Halloween folks, way to party conservativly adult style.

31 Oct 2015 17:17:13
Lucas and skytel have really stepped it up a notch since klopps arrival. I was critical of skytel but clearly klopps had an affect.
Think Milners days will be numbered with hendo coming back, Ibe seemingly returning to form and teixera now in the fold. His main strength was running and harrying but klopps going to demand that of everyone anyway.
3 pl games against Spurs and Chelsea away and saints at home and 5 points is a really great start for any manager at any club.
We've now played most of the top 10 and majority of them away from home. Very very positive as long as we match the intensity against the lower teams top 4 should be achievable!

31 Oct 2015 17:21:50
honestly i think Can is more at risk of losing his place to henderson than milner. Can is suspect, and has a lot to learn before he gets in ahead of milner, who has the expereince that klopp will rate. Only way i see Can ahead of milner is the german connection. No dig at can, i just don't think he offers much.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? Can actually makes things happen, Milner offers nothing but turnovers in possession and a lack of effort. He looks like a player just running around for the sake of it, rather than with any purpose. Can is at least showing purpose. Milner just looks like he has a cob on over being shifted out wide. That attempt at a tackle was pure laziness, which is something you don't normally associate with Milner.}

31 Oct 2015 17:36:52
I would swap Can for hendo when fit but Milner shouldn't be playing, would rather see Ibe play there.

31 Oct 2015 17:45:54
Kman92 i really have to disagree my friend. Milner cannot measure a pass. Watch his through balls when he plays in the centre. Outwide he's past it. i'd rather give Ibe the gametime than Milner out wide. Can yes does make mistakes sometimes but he's very young and makes things happen, will drive forward and look to make things happen. I like Lucas/can/hendo for CM maybe have to be limited to 2 of them though! with all the attacking options we have.

31 Oct 2015 17:53:16
Have to agree with Ed001's comment there -- the slide tackle which had NO prayer of being successful or helping in any way allowed the cross in for the goal. As much as Moreno was ball-watching to allow Ramires to head home (though Ramires should have been picked up from the midfield prior also) it wouldnt' have been a real opportunity if Milner had kept his feet, worked, jockeyed and kept the ball outside. Brutal play.

31 Oct 2015 18:39:33
A good performance is one where you can't think who played better and who didn't.
Just a team, playing as one.

31 Oct 2015 18:43:20
Seriously! Emre Can gave the ball away too often by playing ball too far in front and gave several stupid free kicks away n potentially could have been off if ref had wanted to.
Milner, Hendo and Lucas for me in midfield.
Once side gets settled to Klopps tactics you'll see a different Milner.

{Ed001's Note - you want Milner in midfield instead of Can? He has already shown in the previous games that he is simply not suited to playing central and today he has shown he is not up to the job in wide areas either.}

31 Oct 2015 19:05:55
Is jacksgt really James milner? He sure is fighting for his spot! Surely milner must be dropped. He brings nothing to the team.

31 Oct 2015 19:25:47
A matter of opinion Ed, a lot of the team have not played well up until this past few games and improvement will happen in all players from here on in. I, m not saying Milner was great or better than Emre Can BUT he will get better in settled team IMO.
Can will be a good player under Klopp .
The one thing we all want is ALL players playing well and more importantly supporting all Our team players.
Lets hope its a great start to a manger made for us and the glory that awaits us.

YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - have to agree to disagree, he has never been good enough and never will be imo.}

31 Oct 2015 19:33:06
Ed001 I agree that Milner has struggled but to accuse him of no effort is ridiculous.

{Ed001's Note - how is it ridiculous? What has he done that shows desire? The way he chased back and harried the attack instead of making a pathetic lazy attempt at a slide tackle which allowed their player to break through right at the start of the match? Oh wait, no he made the laziest attempt at a challenge of the game, well until Benteke's half arsed one that saw him booked because he couldn't be bothered to chase back. Milner just runs around a lot with no real purpose. I just don't see him doing anything like as much work as he did with City. There he would have chased the whole length of the pitch if needed to make a challenge. That is my biggest worry, Milner's only attribute is hard work and an ability to hit a decent cross sometimes. If he is not working harder than everyone else, then he is really just a liability, because he has a terrible touch and his crossing has been poor apart from the cross for Benteke's goal. I am not even going to get into his passing, which is scarily bad this season.}

31 Oct 2015 19:42:41
Jacksgt
Looking at Can reminds me of Gerrard. The drive, willingness to create things, the needless tackles and cards. How is he supposed to develop as a player if he is not given the playing time. Come on guys. Enjoy the win. Even teams like Barcelona have poor players or else they would have won everything everytime.
Give players time to play, make mistakes and time to address those mistakes then you get a good/complete player.
Thanks
Kit.

31 Oct 2015 16:34:30
Eds fellow reds, big well done today lads, starting to play as a team again slowly but surely. Need to get strikers fit pretty quick though.

31 Oct 2015 17:07:27
What I saw in Klopp celebrating and passion today made me realise we've missed that passion this season and last season. His passion will add an extra that we missed since the season we nearly won league. It was not there last season.

31 Oct 2015 17:43:27
Don't think we would have started with a striker even if one fit.
Play for space, then bring a striker on when you have the game-classic Rafa!

31 Oct 2015 16:16:07
One thing I'm a bit annoyed with is everyone on cans back. He's young and I know that's not an excuse, but klopps giving him time in midfield which we all called for last season. He has power and pace and his game doesn't lack anything, as in he's not useless at tackling, shooting, passing etc. He's not great at them I know, but he gives a bit of everything, and will only get better, I imagine his confidence is shot after last season. He does give the ball away a little too much and made fouls, but he's making tackles and trying things, we shouldn't moan at that. If he's not tackling and not carrying the ball that's the problems.

31 Oct 2015 16:34:01
lucas was a lot worse when he first came to liverpool.

31 Oct 2015 16:39:42
Totally agree, people tend to forget that the likes of Gerrard weren't the finished article at 21. Also Lucas is always a yellow card waiting to happen yet he gets cut far more slack than Can. The lad is good now and given time will turn out very good for us when he hits his prime.

31 Oct 2015 16:48:01
All the things you said about Can are true. I think people (including myself) are critical of Can because we know if he is paired with Lucas, he has to be the one responsible with the ball and capable of generating offense from the CM position. It is just not in Lucas's comfort zone to be that guy. Lucas is great at being a shutdown CDM and Can can best compliment him by being good on the ball and by spreading the field with his deep runs and passes. If he can't improve in those areas than Hendo might be the better option since he has proven to be adapt in both of these areas in the past.

31 Oct 2015 16:51:18
Maybe it's an old style footballing philosophy, but I think every team needs a holding midfielder who'll put the fear of God or injury in every opposing attacking midfielder. Enough to mistime a pass, hesitate a moment or pass it backwards. A brute. And Can can be that brute. He has the tools. Yes, Lucas is the better player, the better tactician, the better technician. But he hardly scares anyone, the guy is always smiling on the field. Give Can some time. He's raw now but will improve over time.

31 Oct 2015 17:33:57
Lets put it this way, when henderson comes back, he will be in ahead of Can, no question about it. I am critical of can, because he doesn't offer anything in midfield. Maybe if he gains more and more expereince, we'll find out exactly what his strength is in there but that weakens our midfield quite considerably. Just watch the games and anaylyse them logically, youll find that he has little tactical knowledge of the game, doesn't track his runners, constantly out of position. When he does run forward, very rarely does he have an end product, and he slows down counter attacking football. These are all the things he lacks, and if henderson is fit, he will be in ahead of him. Can should be a squad player for a while, making the most out of the chances he gets, because he offers one thing extra to allen, and that is strenth/power, other than that he's just as good as allen, who has far better tactical awareness but less ability. Lucas does the defensive work in midfield, and everyone else in midfield just pass the ball, let me get paid thousands of pounds to do that then. He needs to do more. At 21 he's had a lot of oppertunities so, he needs to know his role.

I think people really put the blinds on towards him at times last season, and thought he was the bees knees after he did little in midfield last season. he's been far more effective in defence.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are not watching him if you think he doesn't offer anything. He is twice the player Allen has been for us. His main problem is a tendency to put his head down and just power forward, rather than keeping his head up and looking for a pass. He works damn hard to harry and close passing lanes, rather than tracking runners, as that is what we are looking for him to do. Lucas is there to provide the cover so he can do that and allow us to press.}

31 Oct 2015 17:38:44
Every team needs a quiet man. I remember Ronnie whealen in the 80's, McMahon on the 90's. lucas is the quiet man. on a seperately note firmino is class, good touch, lightning quick on the turn, expect more too come. overall with a formation to surpress there attack, then create spaces great performance.

31 Oct 2015 17:57:14
I wouldn't have put McMahon down as the quiet type. Great player all the same.

31 Oct 2015 17:58:39
I think a midfield 3 of Lucas, Can, Henderson, will be a good option, Hendo and Can providing plenty of energy and pressing, Lucas KeepIng things tight behind them. To be fair I thinK Milner Will end up playing the same role he played for city. Utility maN used Where and when needed. No he shouldn't be vice captain, Lucas should be captain and henderson vice captain, but there again I always thought Carra should've been captain over Gerrard.

31 Oct 2015 16:04:24
Continued. (Sorry)
More of what he did wrong. In regards to Lallana, I like him as a player, and think he is very well suited to the high press under Klopp. He won the ball back a lot, and was good at reaching the 2nd ball. Although occasionally wasteful.

31 Oct 2015 18:15:32
Said it before though, lallana has great touch and skill but is two yards off the pace.

31 Oct 2015 15:54:34
I wonder if Harry Redknapp will now concede that Klopp has had an effect.

31 Oct 2015 16:13:31
Don't know what it got to do with Redknapp.

I thought that Harry was playing down the hysteria of his appointment, which to be honest, is a wise judgement which we can all use to our advantage.

The new manager should be allowed to get on with his game without all the crap that goes with it.

31 Oct 2015 15:45:05
Not seen everyone on here this happy from a result in quite a while. Great to see hopefully it continues.

31 Oct 2015 15:56:56
I know Chelsea are struggling but it doesn't alter the fact that I can't stop smiling lol.

31 Oct 2015 16:20:42
Tbf though we went away at chelsea and went 1-0. We haven't been playing great fotty either. So i think its a well earned win!

31 Oct 2015 15:39:45
A great THANK YOU TO THE OWNERS TOO.

31 Oct 2015 15:28:53
The best thing to see was for us to go a goal down but be able to turn it around.

Great mental strength!

Well done Countinho, roll on Kazan.

31 Oct 2015 15:39:47
The best thing is mourinhos interview I'm enjoying that far more than the result haha.

31 Oct 2015 15:46:29
Life lesson mikey
Enjoy your own success more than others failure.

31 Oct 2015 16:17:34
Spot on Big Al (had an interesting typo initially my post read "Spit on Big Al"! bit harsh ha ha! )

31 Oct 2015 16:17:38
U should tell that to mourinho to big al! Isn't karma a bitch haha 😁.

31 Oct 2015 17:52:30
Yes, in some cases that is true. But against a foe like mourinho who has done so much gloating in victory, said so much smack about us, I think you can be excused to s 'revenge is sweet'. Gloat, and let all those plastic fans know about it. Be a gentlemen to a person that will be a gentlemen towards you, and that is not jose mourinho. so i'm with you mikey.

31 Oct 2015 15:24:23
Good win.
Was looking for 1-1 but have to accept the first goal was 1 min late and well after extra time.

We got really lucky.

Ppl here were bashing Couts saying he is miles away for Barcelona or RM.

If that is true just imagine how far are the others.

1000 miles behind Couts?

Anyway have a good week end folks.

31 Oct 2015 15:34:44
It wasn't well after extra time. It was 30 seconds over time. It's not unusual to let referees to let the play continue if one team has a chance at scoring.

{Ed001's Note - the time they put on the board is a minimum.}

31 Oct 2015 15:58:47
you play to the whistle if they chelsea players stopped dead on 47 minutes (which they did not) its their faults all kids from knee high to grasshopper are taught to play to the whistle.

31 Oct 2015 15:06:28
Great result there lads.

Love the replay of jose's interview on bt. "Heres what jose had to say once again". he didn't say anything the first time!

31 Oct 2015 15:33:00
Nice to get three points.

31 Oct 2015 15:03:37
Great win. no words to describe it.
To all the people who keep on bashing players, here's a lesson. Couts is back, and others can also do the same if you offer encouragement instead of constant criticism.
YNWA.

31 Oct 2015 15:15:24
well said.

31 Oct 2015 14:59:12
It's my birthday and we got the three points at Stamford Bridge and helped turn the kiln up on Mourinho to full blast. Couldn't have asked for any more.

Genuinely a happy red today. Well done lads,

31 Oct 2015 15:39:48
Now what type person disagrees with the above post, your a naughty naughty boy who deserves to be a miserable git by doing this.

Happy Birthday Mate, it will be 1 I hope now you will never forgot, every year on this day when u blow your candles out u can bring forth this happiest of memory's, as far as presents go lad today was one the best u could have ever been given, enjoy your day mate.

31 Oct 2015 17:07:33
Cheers JaxMan, kind words.

31 Oct 2015 14:49:00
Great to get the win, not a bad first win for Jurgen. Played some great stuff after we went 1-0 down, although didn't look like scoring till the little magician popped up an changed the game. Would have been a crime if we didn't get something from the game was the perfect time to face Chelsea, but thought was going to be a very long day after we went 1-0 down. Big Ben is looking like a great buy, very composed in front of goal, if we can get a few players fully fit, then top 4 is by no means impossible. Great win for the lads, be great to pull a string of results together now. Still unbeaten under Jurgen. YNWA.

31 Oct 2015 14:57:14
I was actually quite happy to settle for a 1-1 draw until Coutinho waved his magic wand for the 2nd time. Great game to watch, Sahko was a monumental beast again.

31 Oct 2015 15:17:38
Sakho and skrtel were both immense I felt.

31 Oct 2015 14:45:34
Cue the coutiniho world beater posts after last week's go at his.

31 Oct 2015 17:59:22
Nothing to go at him for. He has been poor but showed up today in a big game which is what he is very good at. Consistency is what i was asking for, not that he should be sold. Credit tk him for stepping up.

31 Oct 2015 14:44:29
I know many will disagree but this feels better than giving the mancs a spank. We just ripped chelski 3-1, and I Looovvvvee it, yeeeeesssss, cop that chavs. It's a personal thing for myself but my dislike of "The Chels" rivals my distaste of the mancs and this is the greatest feeling, it is just bloody brilliant, get in son get in, love it. To all 3 goals- what a hit son, what a hit, was going through my head. Lol yeeeessss we smashed em.

31 Oct 2015 14:47:56
Jax
you may just become popular on the page.

31 Oct 2015 15:31:01
Cheers mate, but what's really going to be popular are the numbers 3 and 1, The words Jugen Klopp, Big Ben, a lil lad known as Phillipe Worldy Couthino. But seriously to go from utter despair 4 mins into the game to feeling like gods by the end of it is just unreal, it's the stuff dreams are made off, it's days like these you can turn to Mr Jurgen Klopp go down on 1 knee, place your hand on your heart, look at that smiling crazy loveable lunatic and say, Sir Klopp, I BELIEVE!

31 Oct 2015 18:38:02
With you all the way, Jax.

31 Oct 2015 14:42:10
Pint anyone? :)

31 Oct 2015 14:37:24
Brilliant result and hard fought display today.
A few players are biding their time in the first team but what a great win . Coutinho my man of the match. Moreno also had a very good game.
great result!

31 Oct 2015 14:42:08
I am in work watching the faces of the chelsea fans. they are not happy.

Me on the other hand am beaming like a cheshire cat!

Over the moon!

Only listened to it over commentary on LFC website but will be looking forward to MOTD tonight!

31 Oct 2015 14:50:18
Delighted aswell Kenny. Great improvement thus far under klopp.

31 Oct 2015 17:17:14
Oh yeah million miles better, I thought the cup game was the best we had played so far this season, but that blew me away.

If we 'can do better' in the words of klipperty then all the better.

Loved that comment he made after that journalist said about the title and he laughed really loud haha. Class.

31 Oct 2015 14:34:35
Does it get any better😎 note to BRENDAN: that's death by football we just killed your Chelski😎😎.

31 Oct 2015 14:46:45
Note taken 😠.

31 Oct 2015 14:30:29
Bloody superb!

31 Oct 2015 14:21:11
Coutinhoooooooooooooo!
elated!
Our magician pulls it out of the hat! Kills the critics.

31 Oct 2015 14:30:25
3-1! So happy.

31 Oct 2015 14:40:13
Great result Gareth and very good defensively today. It is true. We looked a lot better when Milner was off the field.

31 Oct 2015 14:18:45
great save by mingolet for the chip after lucas lost the ball, maybe he thinks he is brazilian.

31 Oct 2015 14:19:45
Lucas needs subbed soon before he sees red. i'd love texeira on.

31 Oct 2015 13:41:42
Great goal from Coutinho. he had been pretty lack luster before that. Simple passes going stray but that said a lot of the team misplacing passes. Milner been shocking again, i'd rather tex go out but he's not a winger :/ Lallanna hasn't been great. It's getting worrying that we can't play a simple through ball and score goals like that instead of couts hitting worldies. Teams just need to stand on the edge of the box as we seem to not be able to penetrate. I think that said it's the lack of runs being made in behind. None existent partnered with how poor our balls into the box are. That said we are improving long way to go but JK will get it sorted :) YNWA let's score a few more the second half!

31 Oct 2015 13:36:58
Unbelievable goal. The midweek break done couts wonders. Made up for him go lads we the better team it's ours this come on the reds.

31 Oct 2015 13:39:28
We are much better, just a shame individual errors cause us to ship goals game after game.

31 Oct 2015 13:39:32
Im glad he got this one, hope it keeps him some confudence cause its been stray passes from him all half. and milner no comment.

31 Oct 2015 13:41:41
Scouse what did myself and most of the fans say yesterday, he's a brilliant player and the only player in our squad who has delivered consistently big moments in big games. Love the boy. Our only magician.

31 Oct 2015 14:15:00
Hopefully a lot of posters eating there words.

31 Oct 2015 11:26:04
When is henderson back fit?

{Ed002's Note - About a month.}

31 Oct 2015 10:50:41
hey lfc fans.

firstly i think origi could be useful out wide. i think he could use his pace and then in time his finishing and passing would improve. he can't play upfront on his own that's for sure, well not for lfc anyway.

as for today. statistics wise i have to go for a 2-0 chelsea win or at best 1-1 or 0-0.

the coutinho and lallana thing is rubbish and i can't stand lallana at lfc for other teams he's a good player but for liverpool. lightweight and no end product
same as coutinho. he and sturridge should be shipped out.
dont go crazy now but if coutinho was from any other country other than brazil. would he get so much praise an chances. check his stats. yes he scores like 1 out of 10 games but so what. he doesn't do enough for what people praise him for and goes missing in games too.
so i hope ibe and firmino play today instead i'd rather them get gametime and teixera

anyway enjoy the game.

31 Oct 2015 11:11:47
It's not even good banter. You're just a wind-up.

31 Oct 2015 11:19:02
can only agree with the last sentence of this post. Origi I don't think would be any good out wide.

You don't want players holding the ball up when they play outwide and he doesn't have the pace of Ibe, would be pointless and I doubt you would get much more out of him.

Lallana does need to produce more but i'm not sure on shipping him out just let. Same with couts.

Come on the red men.

31 Oct 2015 13:51:18
Origi i think would be more effective out wide. He hasn't done much in the centre. Not saying he can't but maybe it would be easier to play him out wide to get settled instead of having the CB right on his back all the time, he's still not settled and getting used to the system. Also it was him from out wide who created the goal the other day.

Origi has plenty of pace but like you said maybe counter productive playing him on the wing when he's a striker.

Couts is fine he's just not in form.

AL needs to go, as does Milner. Not good enough for me i'm afraid. They don't offer anything i feel.

31 Oct 2015 10:26:18
Even with Chelsea's poor form, I can't see Mou not having his side ready for this game. Media trying to hype it like Reds are favorites, but that simply isn't the case. I suspect Hazard will go some ways to proving his critics wrong today, and they will also get a big performance from Matic. Really hope we go with a fluid attack, and drop Origi for Firmino. Origi seems to be used as a target man and he just doesn't have strength or skills to be that guy in the PL (yet anyhow) . Not sure that Firmino could do it in a false 9, but if we can stay in game and bring on Benteke late, we could snatch a win.

31 Oct 2015 11:02:46
Matic been sent off in like 3 of last 4 appearances for club and country I think. get what you're saying about perhaps today being the day but they've been saying that all season.
From the flip side I think klopp will have the players up for it. A win today puts a substantial gap between us and Chelsea which can only aid our top 4 ambitions and also a win today turns klopps start from decent to amazing in my opinion so I can see us being up for it too :)

31 Oct 2015 09:34:51
Question for the ED's.
Whats your take on Coutinho's form for Liverpool this year. For me he doesn't seem to be himself, not having the same impact, trying too hard and playing in a variety of different positions. I don't know whether it is the Barcelona rumours or playing for a new manager with a different system? Just interested in your take?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I just think he lacks the quality of movement in front of him to create space and to play a pass too. Benteke offers very little in terms of movement, Sturridge is injured and Ings was only just getting going when he got injured. Origi is just a kid and still learning.}

31 Oct 2015 08:53:41
Thank you for an excellent site Eds.

Do the Eds think that Bogdan will get a real chance at the No 1 jersey or will we look to bring a new keeper in in the next 2 transfer windows?

Given the tactics that Jurgen prefers where is the most glaring shortfall at the moment in the first team squad?

{Ed001's Note - I doubt Bogdan will get a shot, I think it is more likely we look to buy a keeper, as it is one of the main gaps in the team. The others would be a ball playing defender alongside Sakho and quality width.}

31 Oct 2015 09:07:39
Subutic a real posibility Ed?

{Ed001's Note - no idea right now sorry.}

31 Oct 2015 09:39:44
If we were going to buy a ball playing centre back, wouldn't we be looking to sell two out of Skrtel, Lovren and Toure? I really feel like we are crawling with CBs post Rodgers, most of whom don't even get used.

{Ed001's Note - crawling with them? You have listed 3 of our 4 there, now Gomez is out injured.}

31 Oct 2015 11:03:54
Subotic and Leno in January would be perfect in my opinion.

31 Oct 2015 06:30:26
There has been lot of talk about whois the better brazilian. coutinho / firmino

In my opinion players in neymar, couts, firm, oscar came at same time as youth internationals out of which coutinho was considered the best.

However neymar emerged the best and coutinho struggled at milan. although he showed glimpses of what he is all about. He was never consistent.

In my opinion we should be happy with both players been in the same team. i still believe both players have yet to fulfill their potential, hopefully jk make it happpen.

I am also jappy for.

31 Oct 2015 06:55:13
Neymar was always the best and is head and shoulders above the rest. Neymar is the best player in his position. Willian was a better player than Courinho before his move to Chelsea.

{Ed001's Note - no one remember Kerlon? He was as highly rated as Neymar in the youth teams.}

31 Oct 2015 07:28:20
Agreed, its the other one of the three for me that's the question. Ibe should provide the best balance as he is quick and powerful to compliment their guile and skills. All the nice touches don't amount to much if they are not scoring goals however so a few more shots and looking to make telling runs in behind is required.

31 Oct 2015 07:39:14
We're suffering from BR's obsession with attacking mids. We must have 4/5 players who'd all expect to be in the first team at other clubs.

For me, if we're going to play 4-2-3-1 then we need Firmino in the middle of the 3, Ibe and Coutinho out wide.

And I'd be trying my hardest to buy a proper winger when I got the chance.

31 Oct 2015 08:18:00
Was Kerlon the one that did the head keepy-up dribbling that led to opponents just trying to kick lumps out of him?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - seal dribble it was known as, and yes, that was him.}

31 Oct 2015 09:14:34
Brazilians have dipped in quality. Thoughout the 90s, 80s and 70s they always had some of the best players on the national stage. Now it's just Neymar and he's no Ronaldo.

31 Oct 2015 10:47:40
I can think of a much better Brazilian ;)
And Dbol these brazilians are much better than what you used to get in the 70s trust me. Ha.

31 Oct 2015 11:28:13
They have suddenly started producing decent defenders now, Thiago silva, Miranda, Marcelo, Alves, Dante, Luiz (kind of) Marquinhos, Felipe.