Liverpool Banter Archive May 31 2014

 

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31 May 2014 22:51:25
Just like to ask anyone who's around wht they make of
RICKIE LAMBERT'S interview on tv. shady to say the least.kept saying I can say more on Monday, didn't look like a man thrilled to be joinin us. any views EDD'S .
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{Ed007's Note - Lambert's probably has been told not to say anything, very few players will say anything before a deal is completed, something could still go wrong and the deal doesn't happen. Would you like Suarez to come out and say how much he is looking forward to playing in Spain next season when there's nothing been finalised yet? I thought Lambert was struggling to keep his delight in check.}

You kidding, lambert looked like he was on cloud nine and couldn't believe what was happening, I am sure he would have said he was "over the moon" as the old footy cliche says if all was finalised.

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01 Jun 2014 00:22:47
Bloody hell wembley he could hardly keep it in,he's being professional thoughtfull about Southampton.

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I just watched it.

As Alanhuyton said, he looked happy, but clearly didn't want to say too much.

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Don't worry, Wembley, all will become clear soon m8!

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Wembley78, no offence but you're really dense aren't you? you could tell Lambert was ecstatic.

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01 Jun 2014 09:41:32
Why do you mean "us"? You are not a LFC fan, why pretend to be one?

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31 May 2014 23:02:31
Edd001 or eds030 i'd use can comment thanks
Why do we send out loan players such as.borini, suso and.lori who have had excellent seasons yet it seems they where.never going to get the chance here? Bundles.of quailty though lack of faith fom BR who dissapointingly has not got to one game to watch their progress specifically.

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{Ed030's Note - BR may not have gone to watch every player in depth but I can assure you he will receive detailed reports on all loan players after most matches, They certainly don't go unnoticed. Also Rodgers has given the youngsters a shot, Look at Wisdom, Sterling and Flanagan for example. }

31 May 2014 22:35:05
Fabregas instead of lallana if possible

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31 May 2014 21:47:19
What's the latest on Moreno and Emre Can Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed.}

31 May 2014 21:44:37
Not football related but related to our great club. Has anyone heard Budapest by George Ezra? Came across it. Real catchy tune. Love it. Watch the video. LFC scarf with Pride of Merseyside prominently on show. Love the song even more now.
Ickenham Red

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31 May 2014 21:29:17
Apparently Seville want 20mill for Alberto Moreno

Ian Ayre has started the bidding at a tenner.

Only joking reds

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Can I hear 20 .

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31 May 2014 21:10:18
There are a lot of talk about players coming in and out.BR said he wants to ADD 5/6 players so I can only see Aspas, Coates and Suso leaving.remember we are in four competitions this year a lot of midweek games to play.

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It's actually only 6 extra games unless will come out the group or finish 3rd!

We are buying depth again.

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31 May 2014 21:01:12
A few people down the page both for and against Joe Allen, let me ask you all this.

If we had taken Allen from Swansea on a loan to buy option with the fee set at the £15-18million that we paid, how many of you would want the club to exercise the buy out clause? No skirting around the question just straight answers please, I'll get the ball rolling, not a snowball in hells chance that I would.

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31 May 2014 21:14:47
hah. lols. I would have gone for Sinclair at 3-5 mill. Pacy winger.

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I agree waro for that money i'd have said no.

But just to ask you, What if it was 5-8 mill instead, Would you have taken that leaving more money for other areas or said promote from within and wait till a better 5-8 mill player becomes available.

id personally still say no at that price as I think the player himself would have better opportunity to fullfill his potential away from the pressure of LFC.

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31 May 2014 21:16:38
But it wasn't that, was it? But for the sake of this exercise, I would also say no.

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Honestly, no. I wouldn't have. He's not a bad player, in fact I really rate him. However he was only really worth £8-10m. However he is now a very good member of the squad and I wouldn't sell him. He didn't choose his price tag. That was between Rodgers and Swansea.

So short answer is no. However there is no animosity or grudge towards Allen. He's a good young player and he is very professional. We just paid a about £5-8m too much.

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31 May 2014 21:28:49
I think there's more to come from allen

Perhaps on the scale of hendo. Who cost more

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No puzzled red it wasn't that but it seems that very very reluctantly you agree with me that he wasn't worth anything like that money, that must have killed you to post that, but fair play to you you had the balls to post and be honest like a man, I notice some of the usual suspects haven't replied, the posters who are normally first in line to jump on anybody who dares say they don't rate Allen ( as Daveybootle might say ) you know who you are! Armchair, I wouldn't have taken him at £5-8mill but I'd take that for him now.

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Man up Frankly Mr Shankly, would you pay that size fee for him now based on what he's done at Liverpool? Judging by your post it's a resounding NO!

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31 May 2014 21:52:13
YNWAdam

Thats a nice reply, So are we repeating the same mistake with Lallana?. 26 mill is one hell of a price

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The same people here were probably criticising the likes of Henderson in his first couple of years. Honestly we have to give players time, who would thought that Henderson would be become such a privotal part of our squad infact we struggled without him in the last three games leading up to the title. Young Players need 2 or 3 years to adjust especially to club like Liverpool with high expectations; Allen will be amazing eventually and if there's anyone that I would trust to improve our players into world beaters then it will be Brenden Rodgers.

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At the end of his first season Rush had played 9 games and scored 0, so if we had him on the same hypothetical contract you would have sent him back to Chester then?

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Joe has been unlucky since he came to us started of really well then got injured when fit henderson had started to play well an we had coutinho an danny s in the team then the season just gone the game plan changed slightly it wasnt all about possesion it was about penatration but to be fair when he came in and played he did the job games away at man u the saints he was top class. its players like joe allen that we need in the squad not gona complain when there on the bench but will work there ass off to get back in it. think it was 15 16 mill we spent on him i'd pay it .

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Stupid question because it eludes that we would not get our money back, so how much is he worth in the market today? also what is a quality Liverpool player worth today?also you could ask the same question about Jordan Henderson what would we have to pay for him today.
We need a squad.

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Please put it into perspective Waro.

When we signed Allen we over paid, no question. But why-

1. We were on our 4th manager within 3 seasons.
2. Finished 7th 6th 8th (i believe.)
3. City & Spurs were on the rise, CL seemed impossible for LFC.

This left us with many fewer players who would pick us over other offers, and selling clubs knew this to be the case.

I think the question we should ask when looking at a player is would we prefer they were in the squad or not and leave it at that. No point playing fantasy football and giving random figures and players that we COULD have signed for the same money.

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A pointless question that wreaks of malice and a hidden agenda (well, not so hidden because some of us already snuffed it out). Waro cannot slate BR directly because he`ll look stupid and bitter so he uses some of his signings like Allen (who has been globally decent) as a foil for his childish antics. Just so you know, I actually like Allen who was arguably our best player when we lost to chelsea and had another good game when we played Palace (he in fact, scored) and when fit and on his game, had several good games especially in the last christmas period when we thumped Cardiff and Spurs as well as the narrow losses to Chelsea and City but your narrow mindedness can`t allow you to see that. What you conveniently fail to say in your intellectually and morally bankrupt posts, is that all English players are over-priced and its the nature of the English market so it doesn`t matter if anyone is worth it. Was Rooney worth 200m when Utd bought him or was Hendo worth 16m when we bought him? Give it a rest dude, you`re sounding very bitter and pathetic right now.

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What a desperate way to discuss the merits of a player. lol.

I like Allen. I'm quite happy we signed him for £15m and I'm glad he's at the club.

He suits our game and he provides great backup across a range of central midfield positions, he adjusts well to differing tactical set-ups.

He has two good feet, passes the ball well, has intelligence and he has also grown more confident in his own ability over the past season.

Whereas when he first signed he was somewhat daunted by the pressure of playing for LFC, he now shows well for the ball and has started to express himself better in games.

Either by making good runs forward, looking to be more creative and adventurous with his passing, or by his willingness to press the opposition and to provide an outlet for his team-mates, he has shown a willingness to improve in all areas of his game.

He is a true professional, his behaviour is exemplary and he is happy to fight for his place without complaint and he always gives his best.

Imo Allen plays a vital role in adding depth and variety to the squad and I feel that if he continues to improve, that he can carve out a role as a regular in the side in the years ahead.

Money well spent imo.

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31 May 2014 22:24:30
So by the same logic, you wouldn't have kept Hendo if that same scenario was in place? My point being, as some have pointed out, when you buy someone under 24-25 for that money usually it will take a couple years to make a judgment on the transfer. Most on here wanted Hendo gone after his first two seasons, now some are saying if he didn't pick up the red we may have won the title. Oh how things change in a few years time, eh?

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The last 4 reply's show you just can't admit he was not worth that kind of money judged by your evasiveness, I take it you 4 were part of the group of posters who excused Allens poor performances on the birth of his child, THE most pathetic excuse for not playing well I've ever heard, you give rival fans more than enough ammunition to slag us off with posts like those.

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31 May 2014 22:42:13
We've clashed Waro but you ask a just question and your answer is a resounding no.
The only point I would make, is Allen seems to have a similar attitude to Henderson and is fully capable of improving ala Henderson.
Worth what we paid? No.
Was a percentage of what we paid for potential? Possibly. I wouldn't sell him, but I wouldn't buy him at £15 million either.

He was from a town about 20 miles from me though, so I do have a slight bias!

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I think we over- paid, but he's a good player. Great at winning the ball back and keeping possession, positionally and tactically sound, but perhaps not extravagant enough for some (who only seem to judge a player on that sort of thing - no crunching tackles or 40 yard passes). He could do with weighing in with a few more goals though.

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I don't think anyone then or now said he was worth £15M, Waro. We overpaid, simple as. Rodgers wanted him, Swansea didn't want to let him go, so over the odds it was. Same is true of Borini, really.

Does that make him a bad player? No.

Does it mean he'll never be worth £15M? No.

Does that mean he deserves to get flogged by you or others despite having done absolutely nothing wrong? No.

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Forgot to add to that last reply I gave redohio, I'm a man and if I wanted to slag off BR then I would and I'd give the reasons why I was slagging him off, but unlike yourself I don't skirt around the issues, I tell it like it is whether any of you like it or not, and unlike you I'm not trying to make friends and put my name in the frame for Liverpool's number 1 fan.

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He's yet to justify the price tag, but he's yet to play here long enough to be judged. Stop being a bell Waro.

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Looking down the pantheon of top and I mean top midfielders over the years for LFC joe Allan would not get a mention.

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In answer to your 1st point - No.

I think Brendan has done well with the younger players (in developing them) and the transfer window (Jan 2013) was very good.

Overall (IMO) Brendan's transfers haven't been great (although I do feel we should allow younger players from abroad to settle for a year).

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I agree wholeheartedly that Allen was not and is not worth £18m but if we're looking at it like that then we wouldn't have hendo now who had a poor first season, but then there are opposites such as Torres who was brilliant in the beginning and was not worth £50m when we sold him. Swings and roundabouts.

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Waro, straight answer re fee is No, however I reckon you are too heavy with the criticism.
I think Allen started well for us until he got injured and then admittedly looked nothing like a £15 m player.
I also think if he gets games he will improve and do very well for us as I do rate him.
Regarding the Henderson comparisons, I would have gladly let Henderson go last season and thought his fee was far far too much(wether it was £16 m or £20 m, still not sure what we paid), however give the lad his due, he has improved dramatically.
Now, this might cause a few raised eyebrows, while I can see Hendersons merits I think he falls short in a few areas, for a box to box midfielder he lacks any real confidence and composure when approaching the opposition box and I don't rate his shooting ability. Maybe this opinion is based on witnessing some truly world class centre mids over the years, sourness, Gerrard, Alonso, Salif Diao( only messing).
Anyway boys, it's a game of opinions, let's not get too heavy with each other hey.

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Mikey, just like redohio your an opinionless nugget, either answer my original post or don't reply. But just like redohio your deflective reply means NO you wouldn't pay that for allen, especially now his wife is expecting again, more sleepless nights and crap performances then

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Hi Waro.

Could you state the names of these '4 posters', the site is in flux so it is difficult to know who you are talking about.

I made it pretty clear that I'm a fan of Allen, I always believed he has potential and I still do. I enjoy watching him play.

All that aside, your post is kind of crazy tbh. It's as if you sit around dreaming up ways to have a go at players, and to dredge up old animosities.

If Allen was doing very poorly and/or acted unprofessionally and/or lacked effort, then I might kind of understand it, I'm not averse to constructive criticism of players at all.

But why bother with this type of hypothetical revisionism?

Many of the posts are very reasonable, particularly considering the rather absurd premise of the hypothetical question you posed.

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Waro, it looks like I have started something here, but I think many posters are missing the point.

There is no denying that Allen is a decent squad player and as you said the issue is the amount of money spent on him. Is he worth £15m+? No.

Take Rickie Lambert for instance. When the rumoured price was £9m+ people were kicking off, but when the price revealed was £4m then there was no problem. We know he is a squad player and the correct price was paid for a squad player.

If Allen cost £5m I wouldn't be complaining, because as a decent squad player he slots in and does a decent job. It is wasting money on players like Aspas, Alberto, Ilori, Borini, Assaidi etc that were never going to make an instant impact and in most cases contributing nothing to the team.

I would much rather buy one or two top players who will immediately strengthen the first team and have youth players on the bench rather than waste money on players who bring nothing to the table.

Red Rum

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WARNING!
Do not in any circumstance try to have a reasoned articulate debate with Waro
He will only resort. To abuse which thankfully the eds will kindly edit!

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You've asked a "cake or death?" question waro.

Of course the answer is no.

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@lyndon.

Very good advice. lol.

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Joe allen 22 15m
rickie lambert 32 4m
both good deals if you take into account longevity and resale value why does everyone assume they know more than a well run professional club setup we are all passionate fans but sometimes a little step back to look at the bigger picture is needed. the average age of the squad has been lowered over the past few transfer windows so quality experienced players added to the abundant youthful exuberance can only be a good thing
sorry for the rant the vinos talking again

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It's an irrelevant question Waro and one just to invite arguments or some kind of justification for your dislike of him. He is a member of the squad and certainly helped the team in games towards the end of the season. I will always support your right to view your opinion even though mine differs to yours. But you are an articulate and intelligent supporter who can come up with a more relevant statement that would warrant a good discussion or debate. We bought him for that price and it is time to move on.

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Very witty and not for the first time noshbag

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Dont know why Waro posts such antagonistic posts all the time. It reeks of a hidden agenda. Why stir up your fellow fans by pretending you're a straight-talking realist? Waro asks for a straight yes or no answer but it's not that simple. No I wouldn't have paid that for Joe Allen in retrospect, but next season that answer may well be a yes. If you posed the same question about Hendo last season most people would say he was way over-priced, whereas this season he's starting to look like a bargain. Support shouldn't be blind but it should allow a long length of rope.

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Big deal if he is worth £15 million, it nothing near at the cost of carroll and downing and what we have lost on them. Allen had the best passing rate than anyone else in Europe when we bought him. Higher than Xavi, Gerrard and Alonso.

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Ps. For the record I wouldn't sell Joe Allen for less than 12m and would prefer we kept hold of him

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01 Jun 2014 01:41:37
I agree blocked
Waro is needlessly antagonistic
Id put money on him being an opposition fan
ReAd his posts
Hes no Liverpool fan that's for sure.

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Waro, your name calling and being antagonistic makes my point for me and shows how intellectually bankrupt you are. I have no intention of arguing with you over a question that you very well know CANNOT be answered by a simple yes or no. This does not mean that I am deflecting. It simply means I`m not interested in playing your childish and stupid games because I can see thru your hidden agenda. As I said, your question is not worth my time and I`m not the only one on here to have that opinion because others have said the same thing which is why they doubt you`re an LFC fan to begin with. To each his/her own opinion BUT you have shown yourself to be a fraud whose idea of "giving his opinion" is to predominatly spout your drivel and critisize BR, the owners and his players regardless of all the credit they have deserved. You spent the hole of last season being wrong on everything LFC but you still spout your mindless criticism towards the above-mentioned despite the credit they are getting from other LFC fans and those from oter clubs. Your hatred of BR, the owners and Joe Allen will only serve us well because it will serve as fuel for our fire because w/ friends like you, who needs haters.

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01 Jun 2014 09:38:43
Yes. I would have bought Allen. The money doesn't matter as there are clearly people at the club who thought he was worth spending that much on him.

You cannot have it both ways, why don't you post this same question regarding Suarez, Henderson, Coutinho or Strurrdge then.

You are quite the hypocrite too; you bleat about that the owners are here to make quick cash and won't spend on players, etc and then criticize players transfer fee for being excessive. Make your mind up.

Also there is no need to be dis-respective to other posters calling the nuggets or whatever, and implying that some have not posted because they find your views to be full-proof. I didn't post sooner because I was in bed as I live in another part of the World.

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AG, you have made the points I`ve made too. Waro`s a hypocrite who likes to have it both ways. He spends his time antagonizing others and asking questions that cannot be answered by a simple yes or no because he has a hidden agenda that some of us are now calling him out on. Like you rightly pointed out, he criticizes BR for not winning games and how we wouldn`t make top 4 BUT then bitches about how BR and the owners cost us the league. He whines that the owners don`t spend money on players but then slates them when they (in his own opinion) over spend on players. I have said it before. Waro is a blow-hard and a FRAUD who wants to have it both ways and resorts to name calling when he gets called out. Intellectual and moral bankruptcy at its finest. Pathetic!

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31 May 2014 20:59:34
Hi Ed's,

I see a few fans don't fancy Moreno. I'm just keen to see if any of the eds can weigh in with their views on him as a signing?

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{Ed002's Note - Definitely a wait and see.}

Hi Waro.

Could you state the names of these '4 posters', the site is in flux so it is difficult to know who you are talking about.

I made it pretty clear that I'm a fan of Allen, I always believed he has potential and I still do. I enjoy watching him play.

All that aside, your post is kind of crazy tbh. It's as if you sit around dreaming up ways to have a go at players, and to dredge up old animosities.

If Allen was doing very poorly and/or acted unprofessionally and/or lacked effort, then I might kind of understand it, I'm not averse to constructive criticism of players at all.

But why bother with this type of hypothetical revisionism?

Many of the posts are very reasonable, particularly considering the rather absurd premise of the hypothetical question you posed.

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This was meant to be in the discussion about Allen. Sorry.

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01 Jun 2014 01:14:10
Waro I don't think you understAnd simple economics
Thats what we had to pay for him at the time to get him
I still think he will prove downbeat negative types like you wrong

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31 May 2014 20:52:42
Hi Eds. I have used the search function and noticed you said that Suso is included in the deal for Moreno. However, I could not find if it is a loan or permanent transfer? Sorry if my old eyes have missed the answer.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know.}

Thanks for the answer.

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31 May 2014 20:36:46
How many here actually wants us to save a few quids for the Jan window?

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Im with you harry.
There are excellent players out there we could get at very.good prices instead of some very dear.possible' purchases.
The.ukranian is a fantastic player, 24 available at around 15 million. i'd take him over lalanna just because of.price.
Moreno at 20million euro(16million sterling) is excellent imo. I've seen a few posters hes.not.good enough? he's one of the best leftback prospects.in the world. he's technically.superior.to shaw though as all young.defenders needs some work. Chelsea and real madrid were looking at this.kid so support him! he's a great' possible.buy.
Emre can at 10million possiblly is a steal. This boy was destined for first team football at bayern munich in two Years time and look at the midfielders they have at the.club.
Lambert, i'm not soo sure, i.prefer not to comment on this one.
Lovren fanastuc defender but will be pricey and what abouy.lori who is younger faster and looks potentially worldclass?
I worry about our loan system. We have loaned.ot some terrific players in suso, Lori, borini buy yet it seems after there excellent seasons they will not have a shotwthin the squad. Extremely dissapointing especially suso who IMO, will be sought after in two years time by barca, real madrid. The boy has it all to be a worldclass midfielder.

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01 Jun 2014 09:22:56
Not me. If we have a very good window, I see no reason to buy anyone it January.

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01 Jun 2014 10:04:45
January transfers are often out of desperation due to injury, misjudgment, etc.

So if we have a good Summer window, we shouldn't need to buy anyone in January.

And clubs don't 'save' money for the winter window.

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31 May 2014 20:35:39
Could it be true that Lallana offer (including a player) is about to be accepted?

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31 May 2014 20:22:05
Dear Eds002 if I gave you some of my moonshine and got you rip-roaringly inebriated then introduced you to a couple of attractive sisters with self esteem issues would you tell me the reason why Lakaku fell out with Chelsea and why Moreno isn't going to sign for Chelsea? I never usually pander to gossip but I need to know! lol

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01 Jun 2014 05:20:49
Yes Mari, I would like to know why chelsea never completed the Moreno deal, anything else you would like putting your way for the answer Ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to discuss it Alan.}

31 May 2014 20:18:54
Hey eds, do you know if we have set a deadline on our latest offer for Lallana? Say they have to accept, counter offer or decline our offer before Lallana leaves for the WC?

Would really appreciate an answer. Love the site!

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not in a position to do that.}

31 May 2014 21:48:31
The deadline is set at September 1st

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31 May 2014 16:13:55
Ed002, considering the fairly hefty fees involved, can you see us signing ALL of the following: Emre Can, Dejan Lovren, Adam Lallana, Alberto Moreno?

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{Ed002's Note - There is interest in all of them.}

31 May 2014 14:37:27
Eds
You said there's been no intrest from us in regards to konoplayanka since Jan, i'm assuming we then been looking at Lallana since so if the Lallana final "take it or leave it offer" was rejected do you expect us to go back in for the Konoplayanka?

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{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it.}

31 May 2014 20:49:27
Edd030, glad.to see you on the page dude' edd002 was taking too manu hot flushes and well edd001, he's living it up in dubai ;)

Edd Just a question, lallana 25million if'it gets accepted is a lot of money. I think the ukrainian who we.didn't get in january is a far better option. Younger and far cheaper. Lallana I rate very highly, but sometimes players are way overinflated.

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31 May 2014 20:55:08
I wouldn't have even improved the original Bid.

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Me niether harry

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31 May 2014 20:35:14
Think we are making a big mistake with Alberto Moreno. He is not worth 20 million euros. He is a good attacking defender but his defensive positioning is very very bad.

He goes walkabout most of the time. We have somebody like that in Jose Enrique who is better defensively than Moreno. even Carragher said he gave up trying to organize Enrique because he does what he wants. Our defence is already rather fragile and Moreno is not going to Improve it over Flannagan. flan no is a much better defender and a decent attacker. he has experience of the premier league. Brendan just do not throw 20 million down the plug hole

Orriin

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31 May 2014 20:49:31
I agree.

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01 Jun 2014 09:21:05
I agree with Orrin. Moreno is a good young LB but he is at the same level as Brad Smith when it comes to defending. I think Smith could actually be a better player going forward too. We are clearly looking at an attacking LB, but if it was me, I would go for Rodriguez who is probably the best attacking LB in Europe along with Marcelo.

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31 May 2014 20:10:34
According to Ben Smith of BBC Sport Lambert has passed his medical at Liverpool and the clubs have agreed a fee of about £4m plus add-ons.

Now let's hope Lallana will soon follow!

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31 May 2014 20:37:18
Good luck to Lambert.

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31 May 2014 20:10:42
My god if we get Lallana are strike force
will be a right Ballsss up.

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31 May 2014 17:01:51
Hi Eds,
the owners and the manager are said to be looking for young players in the market. It`s been the story in recent years. Has anything changed in that policy? We see names such as Keita, Lambert (and Lallana?) rumoured to be on the radar, players not really in their teens or early 20s. thanks.

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{Ed030's Note - I shouldn't think so. It's ok bringing in players for the future an all but you have to have the right blend between youth and experience. As long as the players coming in improve the team I'm happy. }

Ed030, You a Liverpool fan?

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{Ed030's Note - Yes mate. }

31 May 2014 20:28:34
Tom

You still want us sign the next Aspas and Alberto?

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{Ed030's Note - Are you referring to Lambert and Lallana as the next Apsas and Alberto? }

Don't run away from the site. We hardly see any eds, apart from 01/02.
Myself Harry. I am a big hit here. you would come to know. lols.

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{Ed030's Note - I was editing last year but took a break. }

Ed003,

No Eds, But the OP wants us to sign many more yougsters.

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31 May 2014 19:22:50
Always puzzled with our transfer policy when it comes to english players. Any quality player outside england we seem to offer way less then the asking price and usually sulk then walk away if rejected but when it comes to english players we seem to pay way over the odds.Thats fine if they are world class but not many we have bought have been world class lately. Take the case of Lallana, good player but is he really worth £30m or even £25m?

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Personally I would take kono if he were available, we were looking and he was for £15million or less, but Lallana is quality and probably worth £20million IMo

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31 May 2014 18:56:46
hi reds

we have bid 25 mill for lallana which soton may knock back, I think if they want another couple of mill we should walk away and bid for fabregas, just seen that he is not in barca's plans and will be sold, he has a buy out clause of 30 mill so we have to ask ourselves who would we rather have lallana or fabregas, I know I would rather have fabregas instead of lallana, so for a couple of million more than what soton want for lallana we could have fabregas, he would fit into our squad and he plays the same style of football BR wants the players to play plus he has more prem experience than lallana, he would make our team one of the top teams in europe,

so who would you reds rather have

lallana

fabregas

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Alexis Sanchez or Shaquiri.

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Fabregas

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Lallana would be on about £60k a week whereas Fabregas would want £150k+ as well as a £5M+ signing on fee I'd imagine.

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Fabregas every day of the week, I think he would be a brilliant signing for us

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{Ed030's Note - Fabregas is not for me mate, He lacks the intensity we need in midfield. As much as Henderson runs I doubt he could make up for Fabregas and Gerrard in midfield. Decent player on the ball mind but for me, Lallana is the better suited for us imo . }

Fabregas is lazy and can only play behind the striker. He is weak in the tackle and very limited in terms of how he plays. He can't really run with the ball and his passing and movement are essentially the only places he is better than Lallana. He's never played in an average team though and good passers like like great passers when you have players like Messi and Iniesta alongside you.

Lallana has far more to his game, costs less and has lower wages. He is versatile, hard working, more skillful, faster, two footed, excellent at crossing and more creative in general. Fabregas is probably also a slightly better finisher. He is not the right player for us though and there is a reason Barcelona want rid.

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{Ed030's Note - Exactly my thoughts. }

Dont worry mate, City would get him. UTD will be counting stars.

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Look Rogers want Lallana that's why we bid let him get the player he wants not is fans who want player due to big names and prices and youtube cilps I think Lallana is a grate player

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Anybody looks good playing for Arsenal because they are the most tactically indisciplined team in the top 4 which is why they get roasted by other top 4 teams with some tactical awareness. When these players go elsewhere (Cesc, Song, Clichy etc), they get found out for how useless they are tactically.

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EMS completely agree, I will be gutted if we pay £30million for Fabregas, needs the team built round him to excel

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31 May 2014 18:17:16
Southampton have knocked back our bid for lallana, hopefully the club moves on to someone better now and doesn't get held to ransom.

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31 May 2014 18:59:15
They are clearly delude, No club would pay 30 mill on him apart from PSG or Man City.
Good, 26 mill straight back in our bank. There are brilliant players out there for that money.
We should both Shaquiri and a decent LB for 30 mill+

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How do you know that?

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Well, if that is indeed the case (and confirmed), then the club should move on now, and bring in alternatives. Off course, Lallana could hand in a transfer request

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31 May 2014 17:02:36
What's the crack with Sanchez and Luis Muriel? Would prefer either of them to Shaqiri.
Moreno and Lalanna would be excellent signings and lovren if we can get him. Haven't seen much of Can but I have seen M'Vila in action and he looked like a player we needed anymore interest with him? Cheers! Keeping my fingers crossed we can hold on to Suarez despite what he's said. Looking forward to next season more than World Cup!

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What do you mean despite what he's said? I've not seen anything about him leaving.

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31 May 2014 18:25:50
M'Vila is nothing special. He is probably at the same level as Emre Can.

What is this obsession with Luis Muriel and Cristian Tello! Muriel has been very average last season at Udinese. He has suffered with injuries, weight issues and form issues and is extremely inconsistent.

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31 May 2014 17:02:35
I made a post earlier today and as predicted there were mixed responses.

Basically, it was an assessment of all signings under Rodgers, but let me put it another way.

If we didn't sign Borini, Allen, Assaidi, Alberto, Aspas, Mignolet, Sakho, Ilori for over £70m what would we be missing?

Red Rum

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31 May 2014 17:21:04
A 1st choice goalkeeper, a 1st choice CB that can tackle without fouling, CM cover that has BPL experience & 3 highly rated youngsters with bags of potential. Aspas was unlucky due to the consistency of our other forwards but I agree about Assaidi.

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Nice reply Scouse_Pride. I like it.

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31 May 2014 17:47:43
Just a goal keeper that's it

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31 May 2014 18:27:49
We would be missing 8 players. The club didn't have the power of hindsight. It is unfortunate some of them haven't worked out but I see no reason to include Allen, Borini, Sakho, MIgnolet in that group.

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We always needed a GK, As Reina was departing. Sakho should come good next season. Llori was bought thinking Skertel might leave.
Rest could have saved us some money.

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We would be missing half a squad, plus the other half would either be injured due to having no back up, or not pulling their weight, again due to no back up.
Plus we would have conceded a lot more goals due to having no keeper.

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Borini and allen were immature signings of brendan rodgers, his first mistake at the club. He decided in his bountiful wisdom that players were good enough for Liverpool because he had previously seen them succeed under him, rather than whether they were what we needed. It was a lesson learnt but actually borini and allen are good enough for Liverpool and will be valuable squad players, the kind every team needs.

Alberto hasn't been given a chance imo and I still believe shows promise, so just because brendan hasn't played him it doesn't mean he's a flop. Same goes for assaidi but after a year playing regularly in england we can see where is place lies, that being a central figure for a midtable side (think agbonlahor, delph, weimann or odemwingie), so assaidi can be considered a flop, but he will likely make us money so that's great.

Aspas was a very silly signing in hindsight, probably the only one which can be justifiably called a flop. How a player after having an average season in shocking league, without having any prior reputation is suddenly worth 7 million I do not know. We all got caught up in the hype without stepping back and realising he probably wouldn't suit england. He is also not good enough to push suarez and sturridge, only used as cover. Its not his fault at all, its just the way it is, and I actually feel sorry for him having been put in this position.

I have expressed my views on mignolet before and he is certainly not a flop. He just needs time and support, he'll be great in the end.

Sakho has had a very good season but has failed to stand out due to his lunatic defensive partner getting all the plaudits for gladiator esque slide tackles while displaying very little defensive intelligence. Sakho will just get better and better and will be great in the end too. Ilori looks very good and cannot be considered a flop because like alberto he hasn't been given a chance yet, it just takes time.

Wish people would stop and think without throwing the toys out the pram because ilori hasn't immediately turned into thiago silva at the age of 20.

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{Ed030's Note - Sakho never had a 'very good' season imo. Aspas had a better then average season. He scored 12 goals I think it was in a side that was only saved from relegation on the final day. }

Yes ed it was better than average but it was in the spanish league and had all the makings of a one season wonder, it would be a bit like us signing delph if he scored 8 goals or something.

Sakho barely put a foot wrong imo and I believe would have had the plaudits if the defence hadnt been so leaky overall.

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{Ed030's Note - Sakho weren't bad but he wasn't great imo.}

31 May 2014 20:33:27
Wasn't Sakho a Beast here, Same as the Greek Papa?.

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Ok so we seem to forget every club has these players, manu for example, bebe, young, smalling, Jones, fellaini. We can't know how every signing is going to turn out and every Liverpool manager is the same just look at benitez and houllier. Just realise that with those players we came 2nd this year far and away above our wildest dreams

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Sahko can obviously do better BUT he had an ok season where he was out for 12 games. He will need to improve BUT he needs our support and better defenders around him.

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31 May 2014 16:36:11
Looking at the lambert interview ok ssn, it's brilliant! He can't hold back his smiles, he's delighted to be in this situation with the reds. I hope I was wrong about him and he is a success, seems like a nice lad

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Players that fully want to play for the club is what we have, and the more we get like that, the better!

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REDHEAD, are you for real, he looked shady and very evasive. " something doesn't sit right.

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31 May 2014 15:52:07
I believe that Southampton are desperate to keep hold of the squad they have until new manager is in place, whoever takes over will surely be asking for assurances the likes of Lallana shaw etc will stay, this is why it's difficult to get a deal done before the World Cup lallana wants out before the tournament starts so there are conflicting issues to be addressed. I feel for them their team could get absolutely butchered, so seems less attractive to a new manager. I think lambert, Lallana, Can, Moreno, a new CB if Agger leaves, and one of konoyaplanka or Shaqiri would be an excellent window.

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Would be a dream window. Although have to admit I've seen very little of can

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Heisenberg he's a very good player for his age typical box to box midfielder with defensive attributes, also very comfortable on the ball.

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31 May 2014 18:29:10
If we get Lallana, I am not sure we will go for Shaqiri/Konoplyanka.

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If we get Lallana at the price mentioned, Then No LW.

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31 May 2014 15:45:43
if a £9m+ bid came in for Borini would you take it?

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No. Boring has loads of potential. He is still young and will keep developing.

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Personally I would take anything above 10 million pounds for Fabio's sake. With Lambert comin in, he will struggle a lot for sufficient game time which he would want to break into the national team. But if he is keen to stay, then he should be given a fair shot, not forced out.

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31 May 2014 17:10:36
yes, I think he did well this year but I'd prefer to see someone a bit more dynamic coming off the bench

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Sad to say as I do support anyone in our shirt but yes.

I think Jack Dunn is a far better prospect and saves us a few squid. Can't beat the buzz of a local lad banging one in at the kop end either.

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31 May 2014 18:30:20
Yes. If a bid close to what we paid for him is received, I think it best fro all parties if he moved on.

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The Real AG

Cant believe you just said that. Did you say, Borini deserves a chance to prove his worth just 3 days back.

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01 Jun 2014 09:14:39
No, I said Borini doesn't deserve the abuse he is getting from you, 3 days back.

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31 May 2014 14:27:40
hi eds

with all these reports about lallana and that we have bid 25 mill, and with a lot of people saying southampton won't accept the 25 mill, then as I have said earlier that they will want between 25 to 30 mill for him, now eds I know other clubs might be interested but have any made contact with confirmed offers, if not it means that we are the only ones to have made a serious offer, to me I think that southampton will let this go all the way to the wire if no one else bids, so it got me thinking as good as lallana is, there must be other players out there who are younger and better that will cost about the same amount of money, I think 25 mill is a very good offer for lallana and I think that southampton will do what newcastle did to us with andy carrol, so I really hope we have made one last offer with a take it or leave it at the end of the offer, because we paid well over the odds for carrol because newcastle knew we had the torres money, nowwe have the money for finishing 2nd and what the owners are giving us then southampton will want us to pay over the odds because they know we have so much money to spend,

we should move on to some one else if southampton say no to our latest offer and bid for some one else, i'm sure they are not that rich they can afford to throw away 25 mill

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Suso? .

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Awh like 25 plus add on's wouldn't be so bad or a player on loan or something

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I'd get either Manuel Lanzini or Otavio, who would cost a 3rd of Lallana's required fee. Or Quintero who would cost more than the previous two.

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31 May 2014 14:47:10
you should never give up on your dreams look at Lambert happy for him waiting for the phone call now for my self what's is the chances off me signing eds? iam 39 years old ferly fit bit of a beer belly slower than a snail but have a great toe on me have it style ian ayre get your finger out iam ready to go

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{Ed007's Note - If LFC wanted a player like that they would have just kept Charlie Adam.}

Ha ha verry good bond

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31 May 2014 11:12:43
ed001 your opinion on lallana as a player if I may?

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{Ed001's Note - he is an excellent player, mainly left footed, which would give us a bit more balance in forward areas, but is comfortable using his right to a degree. Good balance, technically excellent, but not lightning fast. I think he would be a good addition, not sure he is the right addition myself though. I would prefer Konoplyanka myself, but I wouldn't be disappointed by Lallana at all, in fact very pleased.}

Couldn't agree more Ed. Although I'd like Lallana and Konoplyanka!

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Although I would love lallana me thinks we need amore ddirect and pacey player ala Shaqiri Konoplyanka etc
what you think ed?
p.s would it be too greedy to want lallana and Shaqiri both?

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{Ed001's Note - if only mate.}

Erm Ed I of course might be wrong but I'm 90% sure Lallana is right footed.

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{Ed001's Note - not according to him. He can use either foot but he was considered left footed in the youth teams.}

31 May 2014 14:02:12
Lallana is a superb player, A very good skillful footballer, who would improve any team. He could be valued at 30 mill for clubs, who could afford that kinda money, Liverpool unfortunately needs to pay some debts and have to balance the books perfectly. I wouldn't want us to spend anywhere near 26 mill for him.
We still have two important positions to fill, LB and LW. And I genuinely don't think we would raise money from sales. We are struggling to offload our players dues to poor form, big wages and age.
We are also linked with Moreno, Another expensive player.
Both the players are real quality, But at 26 mill and 20 mill, We simply shouldn't afford.

If we bring all those above players, No doubt we would be doing brilliant next season, But we would also fail in FFP (something apart from Eds, very few are bothered)

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31 May 2014 14:04:02
Reet

I agree, Kono would have been an excellent buy given the age, skill and price. I have no clue we moved on from him.

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Ed, if Lallana and Lambert come, it looks like BR is making a concerted effort to calm the 100 mph style of play down?
We'd still need a pacey wideman though to cover Sterling. I can't see fsg releasing another £20m to get one, can you.?
Ibe in the squad me thinks.

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Edd001, i'm concerned at excellent young players going out on loan and not given a chance. Lallana though an excellent player, we have suso who is excellent technically and left footed, still very young yet rodgers isn't for giving him a.crack the same as lori.
25million in lallana, when we have suso who I rate higher. Lallana is superior atm but suso has. It all to play a big part in this team

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In regards of FFP I agree we need to work to try and comply with it but signing players this summer isn't going to affect the next set of financial statements subjected to the FFP rules meaning we're probably going to fail any way. And repayment of loans shouldn't really affect it, other than the interest we're being charged which considering they're mainly related party loans I assume to be low, although that's not to say thd owners don't want their money back.

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Harry, the owners know how much we can spend, they wouldn't want to receive a £50M fine, so please just give it a rest thinking you're an accountant.

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Home_fan don't worry about FFP for now because I'm sure the club are fully aware of the situation and the fines and issues mcfc and psg are having. As for us struggling to offload our players when did Brendan tell you that because there's plenty of time to offload players as the windows hasn't opened yet and I don't think we'll have too many problems. Of course we don't want the club to fail FFP but if we were looking at signing players for around £10m I'm sure plenty would be moaning now.

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31 May 2014 15:25:49
Although he plays mainly on the left for Southampton, would you keep him out wide or move him more central?

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{Ed001's Note - I would stick with the way we play, give him freedom to roam along with Sterling.}

31 May 2014 16:13:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnQcM9ztvyk

I appreciate what he said Ed, but in this link he takes two set pieces in the first 45 seconds and both are with his right foot. Puzzling- let's just presume he's equally good with either foot.

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{Ed001's Note - Pavel Nedved used to take setpieces with either foot, I don't see the relevance. You can learn to use either foot but I was referring to his natural one.}

31 May 2014 16:14:16
Big Al

I agree. But Mate how many here actually care the money we spend. All those wants high flying stars.
And they mock Chelsea and City of buying the league. We have been buying small fishes left, right and center.
Ed002 have given an honest opinion, We need to pay debts and balance the books.

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Ed001 if we sign llana does that put an end to shaquiri?cheers

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{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}

31 May 2014 18:12:50
If it comes down to the two of them then sorry Shaqiri is the better option and is alo cheaper and younger too.

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Ibe's got pace and someone like Tello for under £10m would be a good move I think.

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Plymouth

I wish, You would have had a small interest in knowing our debts.

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I agree with ed001. (see ed!)

I'd prefer Konoplyanka too. But Lallana would be a good addition too.

If he signs I hope he does well.

Actually. I hope he does amazing!

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31 May 2014 13:05:34
Ed002 in a football clubs financial statements are player puchase fees included in cost of sales?

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{Ed002's Note - The are dealt with as the cost of and disposal of player registrations. Clubs can deal with them in the year of acquisition or spread over the length of the contract - different clubs do it different ways.}

31 May 2014 13:01:52
Hi Ed002,
I don`t get it. It's said that Rodgers is interested in Lambert. Why isn't Borini given a chance instead of spending money on Rickie?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know but Lambert is a very different player to Borini.}

How many seasons does it take to give Borini a chance?
Borini is gone, if Liverpool get a decent offer, imo.

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I really don't see how Borini is gone. If Suarez or Sturridge are rested then it's most likely either Lambert or Borini would come in and that leaves the other one as our striker on the bench for that match. It's not like we have huge options up front or anything. This adds to our options. Moses and Aspas on the bench last season and Rodgers obviously didn't rate them too highly or else he would have used them more. We're so much stronger with Borini + Lambert instead of Moses + Aspas. Massive improvement, imo.

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31 May 2014 14:05:54
The Juicer

I would personally keep him, As he has proved something or the other. what's Allen doing with Liverpool FC squad to keep for next season.
If Lallana and Can is coming in, Someone will have to move out. Lucas and Allen are in real danger.

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Liverpool play one through the middle, so he's effectively fourth choice for that spot now. Wasted out wide.
So its £8-10m in the hand or another player on the bench.

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He's had one injury hit season with us hardly a fair crack at the whip.unless we receive a decent offer for him I'd be pretty upset if we sold him

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31 May 2014 14:42:48
There is no way that the manager will sell Borini.

He's young and was bought for the long-term.

We need a full depth squad with versatile players.

We need two teams in this squad as we need to challenge and compete in all competitions.

Borini will definitely stay.

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I think we will keep borini it will give us 4 strikers all with something different to offer its aspas who will leave

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I highly doubt Allen will leave, Lucas maybe, but even if can comes in that leaves gerrard, hendo, Allen and Lucas for the 2 central roles. Plus coutinho/lallana (or similar) for the attacking central roles if that system is in place. Then we have 4 strikers in ssa, sterling, and lambert, wingers in sterling, ibe plus coutinho/lallana cover, or sturridge as a wide forward. Then 8 defenders atm, for 4 spots, I'm guessing any changes bar Moreno will be one in one out, which eventually leaves 2 players for every spot. Competition, cover, rotation whatever you call it, it makes sense.

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I hope we keep Borini too.

A top club that wants to compete on all fronts can afford to have 4 strikers imo. Especially if want to field a strong XI and to progress in all competitions.

Suarez, Sturridge, Lambert and Borini sounds good to me.

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Yeah I will look forward to seeing Lamborini when the SAS is resting up!

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Very clever Haych. lol.

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31 May 2014 10:54:43
Edd001 while your about mate, what do you think of lambert as a player? Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - I like him myself, he lacks pace, he is not the best in the air, but he is very good technically. Clinical goal scorer, dead ball specialist, and creative. Not perfect, but an improvement for the squad over our current options.}

31 May 2014 12:19:05
Banter please Ed. If Real offer Di Maria, Varane, Alonso and Benzema for Suarez would it be a good deal for us?

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Yeah
Spurs tried that format last year but with the luxury that they picked their own and look where that got them!

No, no and thrice no!

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I wouldn't complain.

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31 May 2014 13:09:11
I like Verane as a player.
Xabi is too old to adapt to the premier league and our style of play.
Di Maria - too lazy, does no defensive work.
Benzema - lazy fool.

If Real want him they have to start talking big money or really big players. We'll swap them for Bale and Verane.

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Are you kidding? di maria is not lazy - his whole game is based around his energy and skill.

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31 May 2014 13:42:54
I wouldn't want that deal. None of the players replace Suarez's work ethic or style of play. Xabi is my favorite player, but I'm happy with the way Gerrard is taking over that position now. Verane would make our defense better, but I think Iorri will excel soon. The other two, nah.

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Add ronaldo and bale and then we are talking

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I'd accept that, but they wouldn't offer that anyway. Ken, you realise Xabi played for us for 4 years, how would he need to adapt?.

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I would only take cash inside, Not a single player from Real.
Benzema?. what would he do?.
Alonso?. where would then Lallana and Allen go?
Varane wouldn't come,

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Fair Q seeing as u said banter. Wouldn't happen but in banter, imo that would be a very good deal for us. And Ken Aguero must not have seen Di Maria play this season, sensational work rate and he had a wonderful season. I used to think he was poor but he's been excellent so must give him credit and he works his socks off just as much as Suarez.

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Gotta agree with Sean on this one. I too thought he was poor but after watching him this season totally changed my mind he can put in a wonderful delivery into the box. And he's regularly picked for real can't be too bad of a player

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Di Maria, Varane, Coentrao and £25 million will be perfect. Not going to happen though.

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It`s hard cash or they can get gone. If they really want LS, then pay up or shut up.

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Di Maria has been very good this season. I would love him and Jese.

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I'd ask for Ronaldo and £25m.

That's how I roll.

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Then if Real offered it, I'd turn it down.

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31 May 2014 21:52:35
To be honest, I've not watched Real this season.

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31 May 2014 12:13:55
i think last season at times we lacked a plan b especially when teams " parked the bus" maybe when going through isn't working going over will, lambert might fit the bill well so let's give him a chance.

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31 May 2014 10:58:23
Problem with my mob at the end of my post just then, I was saying try to look at things from all angles and don't let not being close to the club cloud your judgement, it never harms to question the status quo lads and lasses, someone once said " TO SIN BY SILENCE WHEN WE SHOULD PROTEST MAKES COWARDS OUT OF MEN ", Ed002 your a scholar you should remember who said that.

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{Ed002's Note - I had to look it up Waro - I perhaps should have known.}

Questioning things is normal. It's in a humans nature to question things, what you didn't explain is why you'd go as far as to say you despise the owners?

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Another famous quote, see if any of you can remember who said it " THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH DEFEET".

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Thats what my chiropodist said after my recent visit Waro.

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Cantona maybe, after kicking that guy in the crowd.

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31 May 2014 13:11:55
Either someone poor at spelling or perhaps someone of Caribbean origin with nice feet.

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Ken was closer alan, it was Nelson Mandela's chiropidist. The old ones are still the best

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Mahatma Gandhi

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After my effort yesterday, you're having your own Cantona day today Waro mate.

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There is another famous quotes once said from a great man whom every Liverpool fans have heard of. "Liverpool was made for me and I was made for Liverpool."

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After beating Everton in the '71 cup semi:

Bill Shankly - "Sickness would not have kept me away from this one.
If I'd been dead, I would have had them bring the casket to the ground,
prop it up in the stands and cut a hole in the lid." This quote was just hilarious and just gave you an idea how great the man was for our club.

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31 May 2014 17:32:40
If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, I'd close my curtains.

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31 May 2014 08:44:47
Hey eds,

any info on the supposed deal of Lovren to Spurs?

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{Ed002's Note - You would need the Spurs page for that.}

31 May 2014 13:13:01
A lot of spuds fans mistakenly end up on here. Weird.

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31 May 2014 07:27:38
Seeing as we look like we are going to Spend 30 mil on lallana and lambert plus say 20 mil on Moreno, and anything else if it happens, what do you (Ed002) see as the reprocussions for the financial rules? It's all well and good buying, but people have said we are averaging something like 49 mil losses a year, ignoring the actual transfer sums as you normally say forget them, do you see us getting fined or worse?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool need to start paying off their debts and balancing the books.}

Assaidi Borini Agger Enricue could easily recoupe all the money

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31 May 2014 15:08:53
Yes but that still won't mean we make a profit, and with the sanctions in place for this, do you see us being fined like city and psg?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to the money.}

31 May 2014 04:54:55
G'day eds
Good chance lallana's new bid will be accepted by Soton?
25m seems a bit much.
Cheers.

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31 May 2014 12:16:54
25 million is a bit too steep imo. A very good player no doubt but the price is too much. Atleast the owners are showing ambition and the club is trying to get the deals done ASAP.

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31 May 2014 14:09:07
Indian Buzzer

Atleast?. Owners have been always supportive. BR in 2 years signed 16 players, That's more than whole Bundesleague

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31 May 2014 11:26:12
Right, I could take people calling Lambert a 'lump'. I was quite happy just accepting that you'd clearly never seen him play and wait for him to prove you wrong. However irishlloyd has decided to call me a hipocrite for supporting the signing of Lambert, but not wanting Benteke or Lukaku; thus suggesting he thinks Lambert is even close to being like the two Belgium target men.

You can put this in blogs if you want Ed, but I need to try and get through to the Football Manager Players on here, so here is an actual review on Lambert.

Rickie Lambert is a 32 year old striker, standing at 6ft2inches tall. It is therefore easy to brand him a bog standard target man and assume he has no technical skills. This assumption however is wider than most of Torres' shots! Lambert last season registered 13 goals for a midtable side. That is not a bad tally for a midtable side. He also registered 10 assists making him one of only 4 players in the Premier League (and only 14 in Europe!) to hit double figures for both goals and assists. That means he was involved in 23 of Southamptons 54 league goals, making him easily their most effective player.

Moving on to a more descriptive part of the review, Lambert despite possessing great physical power, does not rely on it unlike players in the mould of Benteke and Lukaku. He uses it well during set piece situations, but his physical power is merely an added bonus and a single aspect of his overall game. He is far more reliant on his incredible control. It is remarkable that he managed to go through his whole career being overlooked with such excellent ability on the ball. He actually has the ability to beat a man with quick feet and close control without even using his imposing physical stature. He can bring the ball under control almost instantaneously and his ability to beat players whilst looking like he's not even trying is not to disimilar to the way Berbatov beats his men. Lambert is not just a lump.

It is also easy to just assume Lambert is just a 'stand and wait for the ball' type of player. Wrong again. His pressing and work rate from the front make him a great team player leading his team mates by example. He is also the sort of player to go looking for the ball. He plays in Southamptons fluent attacking 3 alongside Lallana and Rodriguez. The 3 of them are constantly switching, crossing over or dropping deep to pick up the ball. Lambert actually finds himself out wide or in a number 10 position during a game quite often due to this fluent style. He doesn't for one second struggle with the interchanging though. Some of his assists last season were sublime through balls or pinpoint crosses into the box. He isn't as limited as Carroll who can only claim assists by knocking it down for people. Lambert's advantage is that he can do this as well. He is not a target man though. He is far more like Luis Suarez in the way he runs all day, drops off, pulls wide and looks to create just as often as he looks to score. He doesn't have the flair Suarez has and he's obviously not on the same level, but I'm trying to explain the way he plays with this comparison, not how good he is.

Then you come to his finishing. Left foot, right foot, head; it really doesn't matter. I recall one pundit saying he was like a modern day John Aldridge regarding his finish. He manages to score a tonne of goals without ever really looking that spectacular. It doesn't matter how you score though, it only matters that you do.

However, I'd be doing Lambert a discredit if I said he only scores from 6 yards out. His ability to bend a free kick in from anywhere is world class. In fact, I'd go as far to say his dead ball ability is probably amongst the top players in world football. The fact he has never missed a penalty supports that.

Now this wouldn't be a fair review if I ignored his weaknesses. He does lack pace, but to be fair to him, he makes up for this with the positive aspects of his game. As well as this, a few of his 13 goals were penalties last season, but hopefully surrounded by a better quality of players in a team who tend to get more possession in the final third than Southampton he will start scoring more regularly from open play. His only other glaring weakness is his age. He could quite easily play till he is 36 at the top level because of his lack of reliance on pace, but he is probably coming into his prime right now so we will likely get his best couple of years out of him.

For £4m though you cannot argue with this signing. He is a Scouser at heart and would run through a brick wall for Liverpool FC. This will only benefit him at the club. He also would appear to be willing to be a squad player. He will know his chances of dislodging SAS are low, but he is willing to come and play a squad role not many strikers of his class would be willing to do.

In summary, Lambert is a very good all round forward. He is not world class, but he is a great player who is very effective in terms of scoring and assisting goals, as well as bringing others into the game. You would be foolish to doubt his ability. Whilst there is no guarantee he will step up to the pressure that comes with playing for a top 4 side, his attitude and humble nature suggest he will at least give 100%. Every transfer is a gamble, but this one is about as safe as they come. At least give the guy a chance to show you he is not just a lump who wins headers; because he is so much more than that. If you don't believe me still, go and watch him for yourself.

Thanks Ed.

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31 May 2014 11:53:33
Not just post of the day; post of the year for me so far. A fantastic review of a great player.

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Post of the day
a lot of people expect us to blow 10-20 million on a bony or remy on high wages and whi would be unhappy to sit on the bench
I don't know the exact figures but am pretty sure rickie must have scored the same amount of goals as them
WELCOME HOME RICKIE

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31 May 2014 12:04:06
I wonder if BR has thought about the times we get pressed, often later in games, when the defence phaffs about at the back (angina time) and the numerous goals we conceded from this.
Having Lambert on would give an advanced target to go long to. Ok ok I know its not pretty but sometimes it gets the job done.
And Lambert is good enough to hold play up and get us back up the field.

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31 May 2014 12:06:00
Top post . Very good read.

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31 May 2014 13:25:39
Quite agree EMS, he is a very shrewd signing for us. If anyone had actually watched and took note of how he plays and performs then they would understand what you are talking about. I for one am very happy with him coming to LFC.

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Top, top, top post EMS.
BarryinLouth

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Great post and analysis, thank you. I think he will be great for us.

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Tcotton, if ricky lambert is a great player were does that leave suarez or ronaldo.

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I'm sure you mean well, but you have written a very biased, and at times rather ridiculous review.

Lambert is a good player, but don't exaggerate.

You mention 13 goals, yet never mention that a large proportion of these were penalties.

He has good technique, as demonstated by his link-up play, and he has the ability to create chances for others too, but is in no way on the level of a Berbatov technically. He works harder, but that's all.

Benteke and Lukaku do not 'rely' on their physical power either. Both have excellent movement, can finish, link play and have aerial ability too.

They are more than 'target men', so it is hard to take your views on them too seriously. Both players have performed well against LFC in the past, and you should really have noticed this.

And whoever compared him to John Aldridge is pretty much insane. I feel insulted for Aldridge tbh!

"left foot right foot head; it really doesn't matter" you say. You'd think he scored 30 last season!

By all means, I hope he does well, and agree that he could play at his current level for a few more years yet. For £4m he is good addition to the squad.

But don't exaggerate his abilities.

Ability-wise, he's no Lukaku. Not even close.

Finally, I suspect by your references to being scouser, and comparing him with other scouse strikers, that your views are somewhat influenced by this. That's a little silly tbh.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are over rating Benteke and Lukaku especially. Neither have particularly good movement and Lukaku has the worst first touch I have seen in professional football in years.}

Sorry to you ed001, but I am not over-rating them. Both have achieved great things at a young age.

Benteke has averaged 1 in 2 for an Aston Villa side that barely attacks. That demands very good movement. Whilst Lukaku is a phenomenon.

I am simply explaining that they are more than simply 'target-men'. That is a fact. If you disagree then I honestly don't think you have seen enough of them to judge.

Bear in mind that they are only young too. They have lots of room for improvement in them. Lambert is 32.

I find it interesting that you ignored what I said about Lambert. As if you know it to be true, but won't admit it.

ps: I agree to tone down the 'excellent' movement to 'very good' movement. But these lads are only young and have room to raise their game a little more and develop into players with excellent movement.

Lambert's movement isn't 'excellent' either. So the point remains.

Lukaku and Benteke still have a lot of facets to their game, and the initial post was rather blinkered.

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{Ed001's Note - Benteke does not have to move, in fact it would be detrimental to the style of play Villa adopted under Lambert for him to move too much. It is difficult to hit him with the long balls they use to launch counter attacks if you don't know where the target is going to be. I think you are the one who needs to watch him more.

As for Lukaku, he has many attributes, but his movement is poor and his touch is simply awful. A phenomenon is just ridiculous. He is not top class. Maybe he can be, but right now he is an average striker who has been lucky to be the focal point of two teams who have played to his strengths.

By the way, I think your pathetic little 'you haven't seen enough of them' comment because I disagreed with your comments just shows why we end up with so many arguments from knobbers on here. That is the kind of imbecilic comment that drives people to give abuse. If you can't respect someone else's opinion, then don't bother giving yours because it is not welcome.}

He elbowed vidic in the nose in his last game for united, a reason to sign anyone ;)

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Eh!!

Ed001. Seriously, man, that last paragraph from you was seriously uncalled for.

I think it's fine to have an opinion. I said that mine was an honest view, and even conceded that I would tone down my initial comment about 'excellent' movement, because I respect your comment regarding this.

Everything else I said still stands though.

Simply standing still upfront doesn't get a 1in2 record in a side that doesn't attack. Benteke has run our defence ragged at times in the past, we should know.

Lukaku's record also speaks for itself. Show me a list of players that can rival his achievements at a similar age. It will be a small list.

You also misrepresent me:

I said IF you think that Lukaku and Benteke are no more than simply target-men, that I don't think you have seen enough of them to judge.

I was speaking generally.

At NO POINT did you state that you thought they were simply target-men. So you clearly feel insulted without any justification.

You should really read more carefully in future before wrongly attacking the posters here. I'm not being a smartarse, it's the truth.

The evidence is on the page.

Your description of the comment you misunderstood as being 'pathetic' and implying that such comments (which you misread) are inflammatory is certainly rather ironic.

It is you who is seemingly angry without any justification, as I have explained with evidence to back up my statements.

Whatever your problem is, please don't take it out on me. I'm all for a reasonable discussion on the merits of a player. To say otherwise is a misrepresentation.

You yourself seem unable to have a reasonable discussion.

Think about it. You yourself even state that you think Lukaku can be top-class!! So we agree.

You also have not discussed what I said about Lambert, like I said previously, I expect you agree with me there too!

So why all the anger? Even if you don't rate Benteke, you seemingly agree with the majority of my thoughts.

There is no rational explanation for your abuse tbh.

I have read your views for a long time now ed001, and whilst I don't think you have a great knowledge of the game, your views are always welcome in a discussion. Like anyone else you make good and bad observations.

I have never tried to tell other fans to shut-up. I value everyone's opinions, if we disagree that is fine.

I have explained this in my thoughts on 'uberfans' on this site.

Again. I have shown how you mistakenly thought a/an (innocuous) comment was directed at you as an insult.

Your trying to 'spin' the conversation as if I have done something wrong though. That is simply untrue. May I add that saying that I am not welcome, simply because you (mistakenly) thought I contradicted you is rather small.

I hope we can move on and agree to disagree, but I don't like being misrepresented ed. I'm sure in my position you wouldn't be impressed either.

That last part was nasty and uncalled for. I would gladly accept an apology and move on.

I appreciate your work and I am a fan of your site. Take care.

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{Ed001's Note - seriously? I can't be arsed to read that load of tripe, I have not agreed with you at all, let's leave it there, oh and I have watched both players and Benteke is truly a target man. He is coached to pull out wide, rather than standing in the middle against the main centre back, that is it. Where is the good movement in that? It is not like he makes darting runs into space, he just leans back against a smaller man. You clearly don't understand what a target man is and are simply saying he must be different because he has caused us problems. Which is because we have defenders who simply can't cope against physical attackers.
Oh and give it a rest with the mistaken, you implied anyone who disagreed with you hadn't seen him enough, you were wrong. Man up. Stop trying to wheedle out like a little baby.}

Another extremely ironic reply. On many levels.

I feel your idea of what a target man does is little off too m8. lol. So I'm not surprised that you think you're right.

But if that's your view then fine. Cool.

I allow you to disagree with me. It wasn't me who got angry. Just let it go.

What I said still stands, however. And tailoring your views after the event doesn't change how you (mistakenly) misrepresented my views.

Also, I gave an in-depth response, and certainly didn't 'wheedle out like a baby'. I'll let others decide on that though.

Now you're denying we agree on anything too! Even though there is evidence to the contrary, and you also say you can't be bothered reading all of my post.

That's how this started! As I said, a lot of irony about.

As for putting Benteke's performances v Liverpool down to 'physical attackers', I recall one goal was a long range precision strike, one was scored after a dribble through the defence and he also set up Weimann with a lovely back-heel.

Anyway, let's move on. I was just posting that I agree with your views on Konoplyanka. We can agree on things you know! It's okay!

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SuarezisaGenius, well said indeed, I agree with everything you said, enjoyable read.

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31 May 2014 11:18:36
I wonder if the people who are slagging off Lambert are the same as that was digging at the Sturridge signing. That egg might just be splattered all over your face again.

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31 May 2014 11:52:19
I could name you many people on here who criticised the signing of Sturridge, the arrival of Brendan, the takeover by FSG etc.

These are the people who come on with excuses like, "I was the first to criticise, but feel I must apologise. "

My, how wrong they all were and you know who you are.

These people aren't worth a carrot.

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31 May 2014 11:59:54
Mate they were the same people labeling coutinhosas too small and who play fifa all day

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Just 2 Signings. out of 13 permanent and 3 loan deals. that's it.

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Good post EMS, I haven't studied Lambert in that depth but its clear from what I have seen he is a very good all round footballer and I reckon he will be a very good addition to our squad, and if the £4/£4.5 mill is correct will have every chance of being a bargain.
As for the Benteke/Lukaka comparisons, well there is no comparison in style of play and these two would cost 5 - 6 times more and would, in my opinion deliver more or less the same in goals per game and almost certainly less assists per game.
In conclusion, has the makings of a very good piece of business for us.

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No offense Daveybootle, but you're sounding like McCarthy claiming to have a list of Communists.

Everyone is allowed to have an opinion on whether x or y will be a good player, but once they are at the club as long as you support them in their endeavours to succeed. Fair play to those who admit to being proved wrong.

Its good to differentiate between the absolute persons on this site and those who want to share their opinion (and not shove it down your throat). While I may disagree with Harry or Waro, they are allowed to have their opinion.

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@daveybootle.

'These people aren't worth a carrot'.

It's easy to have no opinion like you.
Why do you bother posting at all if you have none?

A quick read of your previous posts has you telling Suarez to f**k off, claiming Waro is the only person on the site with principles (fairly insulting to everyone else) and slagging Sebastian Coates and the owners, and I only glanced at a few.

You're a hypocrite. A pretender. You're just another uberfan.

People like you are the most divisive on the site, with the worst attitude.

I posted yesterday at 20:00 in reply to 'The Guv' regarding people like you. (uberfans)

I suggest you read it and learn how to treat people with respect.

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31 May 2014 10:49:37
I have it on good authority that after Lambert completes his medical, Liverpool will give him a razor to bring back to the England camp with an instruction to shave off Stevie's rather dodgy looking facial hair. My source was quoted as saying "We will not tolerate any current member of staff trying to replicate the Fat Spanish Waiter look"

Ill keep you all posted on the outcome.

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Mind your history Irish. Why are you disrespecting a great manager? Such a short memory.

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31 May 2014 10:47:36
What is the word on the reported 25mil bid for Lallana? i'm guessing this will be turned down?

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31 May 2014 12:07:08
I hope they do, He isn't worth anywhere near 25 mill. That's the price of Silva or Yaya toure.

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25 million for silva? Excuse me? he's world class.

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31 May 2014 08:27:21
Don't know about everyone else but considering the huge progress of last season I'm gutted at the signings were making and at the prices were seemingly willing to pay. Surely we can attract big players this summer, and were off paying 26 million for lallana who is at best a decent player. Really was starting to believe in BR but I'm very worried that he's another manager who is about to waste millions this summer on average players, thought we were beyond this. Really hope I'm proved wrong and apologies for the negativety

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I am sorry Lallana is not average. He is a very intelligent footballer something we need to add to in our squad. He is left footed and a graceful player who will fill the left flank beautifully. I hope Soton accept.

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Lallana was short listed for player of the year in the toughest league in the world. You don't think going for one of the best half dozen players in the league is ambitious enough then? FFS. He even has a foreign sounding name.

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"He even has a foreign sounding name."

Dude you got me on that one. haha.

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31 May 2014 11:34:22
Welsh let's not judge players before they even sign for us. Rickie Lambert will pass his medical today and will improve our bench, Adam Lallana is a very intelligent player about to hit his prime and Alberto Moreno has more potential than Luke Shaw. 3 players that would improve our squad without a shadow of a doubt.

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31 May 2014 07:59:57
I have great concern about the continued purchase of English players. Now Lambert then Lallana and some even say caulker. With the exception of suarez, Mignolet (which is more or less like an English stopper) and prolly sakho, it almost looks like the English national team. I sincerely hope we don't have the intention of playing the way England plays too! Any opinion on this?

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Yes. You are a poor wind-up merchant.

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What games were you watching last season? I saw no evidence of an English style team. personic comment.

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31 May 2014 11:22:45
So instead of judging players on their individual merits, we should go back on the Lambert deal and drop our interest in Lallana purely because they're English and we don't want to play like England (never mind that Rodgers & Hodgson have completely different footballing philosophies, and the only way any teams managed by them will ever play the same is if Hodgson decides to have his team play like one managed by Rodgers)?

Hmm. I'm not sure that's far enough - I think we'd better release Gerrard, and sell Hendo, Sterling & Sturridge. Just to make sure we don't play like England do.

Aspas should then be our lead forward so we'll play like Spain.

ffs, it not like we're trying to sign Danny Wellbeck.

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Perhaps it will actually improve england

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I don't see the problem. It can only benefit the club having more home-grown players. Aside from that, who cares what their nationality is if they are good enough to play for Liverpool? I think Lambert and Lallana are immense signings. Your last sentence is nonsense as well. It can only be good for England to have players that play cultured football.

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The English national team isn't bad. personally to me, its the manager that is bad. you have a pool of talent in england. style of play is one thing, but seriously, there are so many better players out there that are not getting the chance to play for england.

dont worry about the nationality of the players we buy. We've had Sturridge, Sterling, Gerrard, Henderson, Johnson, Flannagan playing big parts of our season and we managed to finish second.

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31 May 2014 11:51:28
The reason England play like they do is because of Hodgson.

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31 May 2014 09:34:37
Oh by the way plymouth red, I run with ozone not harry, harry to my knowledge has never had a problem with these owners. Where as myself and ozone despise these owners.

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If you had said something along the lines of you question some of the owners previous decisions i'd probably agree with you to some extent but to say you despise them? Why would you despise them?

Aside from save the club from administration, restored peace and stability to the club, brought back the pride of supporting a team that isn't a laughing stock, hired one of the forward thinking brightest managers in Europe, oversaw a season where we very very nearly won our first title in donkeys years, have announced plans for the expansion of anfield to name but a few of the positive things they have done for this club, what have they done wrong?

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Why exactly do you despise them?

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You still didn't answer my question. I didn't ask harry/home fan so not sure why he butted in. Unless waro is home fan as well!

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Waro probably thinks there's an international Capitalist conspiracy and that FSG are central to it. They want to plunder global wealth and disappear in a spaceship to a distant universe leaving us little people to a future of war, poverty and pestolence.

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31 May 2014 12:19:53
I did reply tcp but it looks like it was cut to protect the mild mannered folks sensibility who come on this site.

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31 May 2014 09:13:35
Hi eds just a quick thought, would like to hear what you think too.

£25m on Adam Lallana seems a lot of money, perhaps we could bring in a more established player from abroad, for that sort of money e.g Koke, bidding that much for someone else would certainly give clubs something to think about.

What do you think?

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{Ed001's Note - Koke doesn't want to leave Atletico, so he is likely to cost a lot more.}

Your assessment of players is extremely BLACK & WHITE, you have not considered or used 'instinct' which is extremely important when assessing a player.
Basically, you have stated the bleeding obvious as Basil Faulty would say.
Mate, you do NOT judge a player after one season in which they have not had much game time.
An observation but without any insight. Poor.

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31 May 2014 07:19:00
An honest assessment of Rodgers' signings based on their contribution so far.

Fabio Borini £10.4m - He didn't hit the ground running at Liverpool, but he did have a few injury problems in his first season. He ended up going out on loan last season and he had a good spell at Sunderland. Although he has the potential to become a top player, I don't think he will push Suarez, Sturridge or even Lambert for a starting place any time soon. £10.4m wasted in my opinion.
Verdict: Flop.

Joe Allen £15m - Similar situation to that of Borini. His first season saw him struggle with injuries, but he did manage to feature on 24 occasions last season. He has improved since his arrival, however he hasn't really impressed with his overall performances. For me, he is a decent squad player, but ultimately his performances in regards to his high cost leads me to the following verdict.
Verdict: Flop.

Oussama Assaidi £3m - He never took his chance at Liverpool, and I expect him to move on this summer following his successful loan spell at Stoke.
Verdict: Flop

Nuri Sahin (Loan) - Verdict: Flop.

Daniel Sturridge £12m - 31 goals in 43 premier league games is impressive. He is a natural finisher who is good enough to play for any team in the world. His only downfall is sometimes he can be too selfish, but personally I like that in strikers. His goal scoring record alone warrants him to be that type of player. He will be a big star for us for many years to come.
Verdict: Success.

Philippe Coutinho £8.5m - He has been excellent since his arrival, but he can go missing in games, which is expected of a 21 year old still learning his trade. He is a player who will improve with experience and I believe we have a future star who will become one of the best playmakers in the world.
Verdict: Success.

Luis Alberto £6.8m - He hasn't featured much since his arrival, and looks likely to leave either on loan or permanently next season. There is no doubt that he has the potential to become a top player, but so far he hasn't been involved in our journey to success.
Verdict: Flop

Iago Aspas £7m - He certainly hasn't set the league alight, but to be fair he hasn't really had the chance to due to the form of Suarez and Sturridge. When he has featured, he has shown glimpses of skill, vision and energy. However, he often runs around like a headless chicken and can be careless in possession. I was really hoping that he would make the grade, but unfortunately the premier league looks like a step too high for him and I doubt he will ever make it in this league. A move back to Spain looks likely.
Verdict: Flop.

Simon Mignolet £9m - I had high hopes for him when he arrived from Sunderland, but unfortunately he hasn't impressed in his first season at Liverpool. His shot stopping is second to none, but there are so many more attributes required to be a top goalkeeper at a top club. His distribution is poor, his communication & organisation is poor, his decision making is poor and his commanding of his area is poor. I don't buy all this nonsense that "he is still young for a goalkeeper and will learn with experience", as his position only means he will be able to physically play on for a few years longer than an outfield player. It does not mean that goalkeepers are slower learners than outfield players. At 26 years of age he should already possess the qualities needed to ply his trade at the top level. He should then be able to build on them and become a top class keeper for many years. Unfortunately, he hasn't cut it.
Verdict: Flop

Kolo Toure (Free) - He is a decent squad player who had a decent first season at Liverpool. He brings experience and leadership, and he was a good choice to replace Jamie Carragher.
Verdict: Success.

Aly Cissokho (Loan) - Verdict: Flop.

Mamadou Sakho £15m - He had an up and down debut season at Liverpool, and failed to show why he cost as much as he did. He is a good defender who can also pass out well from the back, but he can sometimes lose concentration, be unpredictable and too rash. The potential is there and he will improve with experience, but world class defenders have to be alert, organised and smart in making the right decisions. Based on performances so far and in regards to his high cost I have come to the following verdict.
Verdict: Flop

Tiago Ilori £7m - He hasn't yet had the chance at Liverpool and for his price you would expect him to play some part. However, he is still young and has shown a lot of promise whilst on loan at Granada. I would like to see him play a part for Liverpool next season, but in regards to his contribution so far here is my verdict.
Verdict: Flop

Victor Moses (Loan) - Verdict: Flop

My assessment above is purely based on contribution so far. Any player above could step up their game to another level next season, but we can only judge on what we have seen so far and I feel that I have been fair with my evaluation.

Overall, Rodgers has brought in 3 players who have been an instant success. Sturridge (£12m), Coutinho (£8.5m) and Toure (Free). That's around £18.5m out of over £90m spent on players who have made an impact in the team. This indicates that there needs to be a major improvement when using the transfer market to improve the squad.

There are several reasons that money hasn't been spent effectively. One of them being that it has been extremely difficult to attract top players whilst we haven't been involved in the UCL. Therefore, we have had to bring in possibly our 3rd/4th choice transfer targets who as we know can be hit or miss. Also there could be issues with who is in charge of choosing potential signings. I remember when Rodgers signed Ilori, he said he is looking to bring in players who will improve the starting XI, but he has to "honour the club" by building for the future. He then went on to say that Ilori could become an important player for Liverpool years after the Rodgers era. This suggests that Ilori was not in Rodgers' plans and not a Rodgers' signing but in fact a choice of the club. How many players has Rodgers brought in and how many have the "committee" brought in? Who knows.

Whatever the reasons behind previous transfers, this summer is one window that we need to get right. We are all aware that Rodgers has attempted to bring in some top players in previous windows and for whatever reasons we were unable to complete the signings of them:

Diego Costa
Henrik Mkhitaryan
Mohammed Salah
Christian Eriksen
Willian
Yehven Konoplyanka
Fernando

The above names are just a few top players that Rodgers has unsuccessfully attempted to sign in previous transfer windows. This tells me that with financial backing Rodgers is very capable of selecting top players that will improve the squad and I expect some quality players to be brought in this summer as we are now, once again an "attractive" club.

Please leave your thoughts below. We all have different opinions and I would like to know yours.

Thanks for reading.

Red Rum

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Very good post, you're quite ruthless! I'd switch Sakho to a success and I think Ilori should be rated not/applicable so far. We'll make a profit on Assaidi so by your price driven logic you should be calling him a success.

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31 May 2014 10:55:43
The transfer fee you mention is pretty much wrong for almost every player.

Also, what financial backing are you talking about? BR has spend over 100 million pounds since he has been here. That is a significant amount the owners have provided to BR to spend on players.

I understand some of these players haven't been doing as well as a Sturridge or a Coutinho, but I certainly don't think Joe Allen, Simon Mignolet, Mamadou Sakho or Fabio Borini can be classed as flops. They have also contributed to LFC improving from a 8th placed team under KD to finishing 2nd under BR.

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Toure success but Sakho flop? Yeah. Ok.

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Mignolet a flop, stop talking rubbish as if to reinforce your statements. We finished 2nd, 2nd success I would say. person.

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Your assessment is perhaps a little too simplistic. I don't think many of them can be labelled in such black and white categories.

And toure a success? The only thing he succeeded at was putting the ball in his own net which is why he was kept away from the team for the rest of the year.

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31 May 2014 12:04:43
Allen cannot be classified as a flop
if you had watched the rear end of the season
you would have realized he was only one of our inform players along with sterling
sakho cannot be classified as a flop after one season

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If someone believes Allen is a success, Then I am switching off to rugby.
5 games in 2 seasons doesn't make any one success. 17 mill + singing on fees.
If So konchesky and Maxi rodriguez are big hits.

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31 May 2014 12:29:00
reet

If Allen isn't flop, Then surely Cleverly at UTD is a bg hit. there are many. 5 good games in 2 seasons. Get a grip mate. He didn't come at 5 mill, Instead 17 mill. he is just an average player, and would be down to 4th choice once a CM comes in.

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31 May 2014 13:53:06
Is it just me who really objects to our players being labelled 'flops'? Many of the players you've mentioned haven't had the chance to prove themselves. Alberto, Aspas, Borini, Ilori have hardly had a chance in the first team. The only player I've been a little disappointed with is Sakho, but having said that our back four has no leader or consistency this season, so he can hardly be blamed for that. Carra may have had his faults during his last few seasons but he sure did control the defence and boss players when needed. We need a leader in the back four. Allen has done much better this season, hasn't played a huge amount and is still young. If it HAS to be used i'd save the word 'flop' for expensive players who have not replicated previous form at their new club. None of BR's players have individually cost that much. Totally agree regarding Sturridge and Coutinho, those two seem to have slotted in seamlessly.

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Mignolet is not a flop his played every league game and had many amazing saves. Assaidi will make us more than 50% more than what we got him for? Borini was the reason why we finished above chelsea this season so logically they can be branded as success but he should be given a chance

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31 May 2014 15:55:46
Red rum. Flop

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I have deemed Toure a success as he came on a free (yes, I am aware that there are other finances involved) and he put in some very good performances when he was played in his correct position. When Rodgers switched him over to the left side he couldn't cope as it was not his usual position. If he cost £15m+ as Sakho did then he would be deemed a flop. However, he came on a free and when he played in on the right side he bossed it.

AG, the exact figures are irrelevant. You get my point. The financial backing I am talking about is the financial backing that will see Rodgers allowed to bring in one or two top players rather than 7 or 8 average players. Yes there wages may be a little higher, but if you accumulate the wages of Aspas, Allen, Alberto, Ilori, Mignolet, Borini, Assaidi etc who have not made a great deal of an impact, you could have several top players who would make an immediate impact.

Reet, do you think Allen was worth £15m+? As I said, he is a decent squad player, and as Harry said, if he were bought for £5m, he would be deemed a success, however, my assessment is based on the price paid and performances.

I agree that the word "Flop" is a little ruthless and that some players such as Borini, Assaidi, Ilori, Alberto etc haven't been given a chance, but in terms of what they have done so far, they have offered very little. Therefore, Flop maybe a little harsh, but what ever word you want to use (N/A or Untried etc) the players still haven't made an immediate contribution which is the basis of my evaluation.

Red Rum

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Mignolet wasn't a flop

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31 May 2014 17:58:22
Sahko is one of the youngest starting centre backs in the league, he has a lot of time to improve, and personally I don't think he's bad now! he's strong, quick, and although looks clumsy, isn't bad at all on the ball"

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31 May 2014 07:17:03
Hi Ed
Great site mate
I think Ricky deal is a master stroke by Rogers at 4 million.
As we have so Cl, Epl, cups all to play
N SAS can't play each match of league cup.
Nice piece of business n plus he's British

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31 May 2014 06:13:12
At 4m + add ons, there is a good chance Lambert could turn out to be the signing of the summer.

His stats are actually better than one player who is the starting forward for another team that finished in the top four.

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Very excited about how our attack is shaping up. So many more options! I think we will score even more goals this season provided Suarez gets a little bit of rest before it starts. If Lallana signs then we will just be ridiculously dangerous for any team. All I can think of is how he ripped us apart on his own, just couldn't handle his movement.

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31 May 2014 05:07:57
Suarez' agent at it again ffs.
"If Madrid make a huge offer it will be very hard for Suarez to turn down, he's always wanted to play in Spain"

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It was NOT his agent (he has made no comment) it was his lawyer, Alejandro Balbi giving the most bizarre radio interview. BUT it was hardly ground breaking stuff and it was stated that a year ago he would have left but now he loves being at the club and the status he is afforded by the fans.

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I saw that and thought exactly the same.
He must have heard they were cooling there interest in Suarez and feared for his % cut in the deal if nothing happened.

Seem's like the twerp cannot keep his mouth shut.

vrcomp
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You sound surprised

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31 May 2014 07:40:01
That was one of Suarez's lawyers. It may have been last year too.

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He's only saying what suarez wants

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Lawyer and agents talk because they get a big pay out of every transfer

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31 May 2014 00:57:28
Even though Moreno is a good player I still that that Ricardo Rodriguez is a much better option as he has much better stats, cheaper and a full international.

Do we hold any interest in him?

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31 May 2014 07:39:16
If Rodriguez was Spanish, he would have struggled to be a regular.

He is a very good player, but you have no idea if he will be cheaper. We clearly are looking at an attack minded LB, and I think Rodriguez is better than Moreno in attack and hugely better in defense.

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Well I'm happy to go with the Liverpool scouts over you if that's how u judge a player. Better stats. And the full international comment - any regard for him being Spanish and he's only 21, competition for the spot is jordi alba.

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Sorry but stats can be complete rubbish sometimes, watching them both play over a course of a season is a much better guide which although we won't have done i'm sure we would have watched a fair few games. and even then players can have one off good seasons, for example James Beattie when he challenged Henry for the golden boot in 02-03 and never really did anything afterwards.

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30 May 2014 21:50:23
hi eds could one of you tell me what's happening with yesil please? do you expect him to be given a chance to go out on loan? thanks in advance

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{Ed001's Note - last I heard he was injured. I expect him to leave the club.}

So ed 001 back from the dress fitting
looks like we may get your preferred left back
really great time to be a Liverpool supporter
p.s what do you think of Lambert signing
personally think its a master stroke

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{Ed001's Note - I like Lambert, he is a good lad as well as a decent player, it seems a good buy to add some experience as well as cover. He has shown he can play in the same system, and play it very well. I just hope he doesn't get overawed and can just play his game without trying too hard to impress. His age is not so bad, we have plenty of pacy players to surround him with, so he can just slot in and provide some creativity. Hopefully. I would say I am cautiously optimistic about this signing.}

31 May 2014 05:17:08
And your thoughts on Alberto moreno?
Maybe asking too much but great to hear your opinions

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{Ed001's Note - I like him from what I have seen, not the best defensively, but excellent going forward. I would expect the club to be able to coach an improved defensive responsibility into him, with him being young. Most of our young players have been showing marked improvements under Rodgers, so I would be happy to entrust the coaching staff to turn the lad into the player we need.}

I think I read on some list of released players from premier league teams, that Yesil has been released from his contract, can't quite remember where I found this list though. However I do recall it said that teams could still arrange new contracts with the player(s) they have released.

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Hey Ed01, Do you see Borini leaving? I would be really disappointed to watch him leave.He showed the right attitude, passion, dedication and guts at Sunderland and we could really do with some one like him next year.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a possibility, though it is not him that is in most danger, but Aspas. It depends on what offers we receive though, he is only a back up for us after all, and he probably deserves the chance to be first choice. Sunderland are very keen to bring him back, but I don't know how much they would be prepared to pay.}

30 May 2014 17:56:15
Hi Eds,
I've read your thoughts about Suso but who out of these young players do you see in the 1st team squad for next season - Wisdom, Llori, Ibe, Teixiera, Smith.
Thanks for all your work.

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{Ed001's Note - to be honest, I expect all of them to go out on loan again except for Teixeira.}

31 May 2014 01:22:15
I can't believe we got Ricky Lambert for only 4m, how did we get him so cheaply, he is brilliant and he's a Liverpool fan, I said a little while ago we should get him and the reactions from the posters who replied was mainly positive, so now we have him great, earlier Raoul replied to a poster and said remember Gary mcallister and how well he did and he was an older player, ricky will do just as well, good news lfc:)

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31 May 2014 09:28:12
If anybody doubts his ability just have a look at his performance against utd he never gave their defence any peace at all capped of with a goal brilliant bit of business imo.

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31 May 2014 00:22:36
Really hoping we get Lallana. He was the only one who seemed capable of unlocking Peru's defense. He was positive and looks like he would fit right into BR's philosophy.

Apparently we've made a 'final bid' of 25 mil. Hoping Southampton will accept and he can go to Brazil with his future more or less sorted.

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31 May 2014 02:09:30
One for the eds or reds.

I don't now the ins & outs of the FFP guidelines. I do however agree these restriction are needed to preserve the integrity of the greatest sport in the world.

Am not a football expert but I do understand brokering deals (not football related) and have to apply my trade within a framework set by regulators.

So let's say we buy lallana for £25m. The personal terms are a 5 year contract on £100k a week . that's £26m (for ease of calculation I have ignored all other fees and taxes). Total cost £51m

Now if we were to buy for £25m but agree to pay Lallana £50k per week (that's a £13m saving) but with a clause stating that we give Lallana a 50% share of his sell on fee. So if we sold him for £25m in 3 years he would get £12.5m. In this situation the player is £500k down. If sold for more lallana is better off.

The latter would surely be better for the club. The club will have a lower wage bill, reduces risk and liability on accounts and less likely to fall foul of FFP.

Am I being thick (apologies in advance)

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{Ed007's Note - Without going into too much detail, why would Lallana agree to it when he could just move to another team and get a deal that suits him rather than get messed about with trying to help a club meet FFP. I was going to leave your post for Ed002 but I don't think her answer would be as courteous as mine. The menopause is proving to be tough time for her and her nightime sweats and flatulence are proving tough for me.... YUK!!! Why else am I here at half 3 in the morning, our bedroom smells of boiled eggs and hot cabbage!!!!}

31 May 2014 10:31:36
REALLY. Ed002 has been really courteous with me of late. I have been really impressed with her.
Although the other day she did call a poster, 'some kind of person', which almost had me choking on my cornflakes.

The flatulence your welcome too.agreed "YUK"

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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31 May 2014 10:59:43
Hi Bexit, I agree with ed001. No reason for lallana to accept something like that. I also think that your post is an example of why Ed002 hates discussing the finances so much, you've explained your idea very clearly but I'm sorry I don't think it makes much sense.

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Thanks for the replies. duly noted. The point I was trying to put across is the concept of lower wage plus % of sell on fee. The finer details would be thrashed out through negotiation of contracts through solicitors and other personnel (not sure who exactly is involved). I would hope that during negotiations a specialist in taxation and wealth management are on hand to aid solicitor.

FFP is for the great of the sport. Clubs will have to adapt so in turn the players have too it's how change works in all walks of business. It just takes a bit of time to adjust too. Instead of wait and see what others do and then follow
the herd why not try it first.

In my opinion it would be worth doing on smaller deals say players up to £5m. If this concept works then do it with a 10m buy and so on.

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{Ed001's Note - the players won't adjust that quickly. They will just wait out their contracts more often to get themselves a better deal.}

31 May 2014 00:25:06
I Lived in Germany for 8 years and the football there was superior and they didn't treat their fans like mugs! cash cows waiting to be milked for season tickets, shirts, etc. in fact anything with the clubs Logo, I vowed that they would not get any more money from me and I love my club and will til I leave this life, but the exploitation makes my stomach turn, my kids are not interested in football, while I am sad about that it's also a blessing.

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It's supply and demand though mate.
If fans didn't buy everything with a logo on for inflated prices, the price would come down.

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I think you are the sad one for saying you are happy your children are not interested in football. If something is too dear do not buy it, SIMPLE.

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31 May 2014 00:01:26
Rickie Lambert is not Andy Carrol type and he is not a crouch type. He can play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdiCiqOetc

Follow the link above. Its only one game so better judge than a montage. Show me one game where Crouch and Carrol are making those passes. Lambert is a very different kettle of fish and will suit our style of play. Perfect competition for SAS.

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Completely agree, Carroll wasn't sold because he was a target man, he was sold because he couldn't run with the ball at his feet without falling over or string a pass longer than 5 yards. Lambert, however, is a nearly complete player (minus the pace) and will work excellently in our system.

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I don't need to look at the link, good post and totally agree.

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30 May 2014 21:43:48
Am a lil confused about the sudden drop in interest in Ricardo Rodriguez. IMO he's better than Alberto Moreno and cheaper too. Any opinion or news as regards this?

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31 May 2014 07:34:11
I agree he is better than Moreno, but LFC were never interested in Rodriguez to drop interest in him.

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31 May 2014 00:08:29
I don't understand why we were busting a gut and the bank balance to sign Konoplyanka in January but have reportedly dropped our interest 5 months later when he is available for substantially less. The player was good enough for us in Jan so why isn't he good enough for us now?

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Perhaps we are looking for a better calibre of player now we are playing CL?

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This is just a guess but I watched him versus Spurs and although he's talented on the ball, he puts very little effort in off it, which is required for our high pressing, maybe Rodgers or the scouts saw this as well.

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31 May 2014 05:58:54
Did you happen to see how well Sterling performed since January? He was immense and I imagine that the club see Sterling as good enough to keep Konoplyanka out of the team. They will be going for someone better than,or with an extra dimension to Sterling I reckon.

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Redmist I thought the same but, as Liverpress said, Sterlings form has likely meant us looking towards a new or different option.

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31 May 2014 00:05:29
Liverpool have uped there offer to 25 mil for lallana, maybe they desperate to get the deal done before the world cup or maybe its to get the two medicals for the price of one,,

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30 May 2014 23:59:20
Don't want to jinx anything but. Here's a song if we manage to land Adam Lallana. It's not much but the fans could sing it (tune of pretty woman)

LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa Lallana

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31 May 2014 01:02:37
Mate, that's terrible. The only thing your jinxing is a potential career as a songwriter.

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Next verse of Poetry in Motion:
He plays for Liverpool, Ad-am La-lla-na;
On both wings or in the hole, He's Ad-am La-lla-na;
Magic when he's on the ball, Ad-am La-lla-na;
I tell you this lad was a God-send,
LA-LLA-NA

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31 May 2014 03:56:04
Has to be. La Lallana, to the tune of la bamba. Lalalala lallana.

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I'm sure something to the tune of La La La will fit in.

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I would go for Shakiras latest world cup song chorus. pretty short and easy to follow. maybe give it a cheeky 'its time for lallana!' in the end from waka waka (world cup 2010 song)

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Just hope it doesn't involve boney m's Rasputin!

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Guys, don't you know Southampton already have one for him?

'He plays on the left,
He plays on the right,
Adam Lallana
Makes Messi look sh*te'

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You can't just give a player a song. He has to earn it.

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Square red, who made you Simon Cowell? The rest of them seem to like it, lighten up mate

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30 May 2014 23:42:54
Looks like we have bid 25 million for lallana, wouldn't want to go any higher though

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30 May 2014 23:38:04
ssn reporting we have made an improved bid of £25m for Lallana

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30 May 2014 23:37:08
Question for waro.

As a passionate Liverpool fan what would make you happy this summer re transfers?

Honest question, seems like fsg (f$g) can do nothing right in your eyes. What would it take for them to win you over this summer? Despite Ed002 saying repeatedly that Liverpool would fall foul of ffp you still think we don't spend enough so was just wondering not trying to cause an argument. Thanks

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People like Harry and Waro would moan if Sheikh Mansour was our owner, it's just the way they are.

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Moaners just moan. It`s what they do. If we had won the PL, they would have still not given the owners any credit because they would look stupid by doing that. Cluelss whiners!

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31 May 2014 05:55:09
Tcp.

Who said the owners haven't win over me?. I challenge you and the two below. Search and find out one single post or reply, where I have either slated the owners or even questioned them.

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31 May 2014 08:45:00
We'll get him for £25M, I don't care how much we pay for players it comes out the owners pockets, not mine, thank god!

Plymouth Red.


Look how much my frnd cares for the owner and club.
Eds Pls Post this.

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Tcp, at the end of the season brenda
said now that we are in the champions
league we would be looking for quality. with all due respect i
would not say lambert is quality .
the real problems are at the back and they need addressing first, not stockpiling forwards, also this site is all
about opinions, there like backsides
everyone's got one, i get the impression if lfc signed a chimpanzee tomorrow there would be people on this site telling us what a great signing it is and how well he 'd fit into brenda's system but hey who am i to argue.

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I'm fully aware everyone's got an opinion wembley78 I was just asking waro to explain his. I like that he's so passionate about the club and doesn't let people on here change his mind. I prefer to see things through rose tinted glasses as life's far too short to get so wound up by things we can't control. But I like to listen to people who's point of view differ to mine and have an open mind about things. If waro explained what would make him happy I might turn around and say, do you know what, good point I agree with you on that.

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30 May 2014 23:34:54
I've just read we have bid £25m on Adam Lallana, please tell me this is a joke? He's a good player but that fee seems horribly inflated and this is the summer we need to make it count! There are players like Rakitic & Hamsik, alright perhaps we would have strong competition, but these are the players that you wouldn't be so nervous about spending £25m on!

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I like Lallana, and have no explanation why but feel £16-20m would have been okay . But if as reported its true, personally I would have offered Everton £30m + Joe Allen (going by reports Martinez liked him) for Ross Barkley. Or offered £35m, that boy is going to be a star and looks perfect for LFC, missing out on him in my opinion is like missing out on Michael Laudrup back in 1984. Suarez is 28 soon and if he stays, by end of next season (assuming he is awesome for us again) it may be time to leave . And for us to cash in BIG TIME. But, again it's my wishful thinking, if we were playing 4-2-3-1, it would be nice to have Sturridge. Lallana, Barkley & Sterling as the front four and the backbone to our team, plus whatever other world class we could muster.
Left Back is hardest position to strenghen(pricy too), but Moreno, Cole, R Rodriguez are the calibre we should be targeting, rest of the squad depending on departures would be well enhanced by the likes of Yan M'Vila, Emre Can, Micah Richards, K Papadopolous. All likely to be around £10m mark I would hazard (no pun) a guess.
I personally believe this season some of our players proved how awesome they are, but most were already there so it shows it's the manager who is brilliant (despite all the mediocre signings which he probably didn't influence as much as people think), we have a lot in the squad who contributed nothing or very little, when they are replaced with quality we will once again be TOP of the TREE and can ONCE AGAIN CLAIM TO BE THE GREATEST!

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I would not hold my breath waiting for Ross Barkley's transfer to LFC. Ain't going to happen.

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31 May 2014 08:41:12
Ross Barkley would be my mine transfer target. Everyone has a price.

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'Missing out' on Ross Barkley? Incredible stuff.

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30 May 2014 23:13:41
I don't no what all this negativity with Lambert is remember we have the best stike force in the league maybe all leagues.He is to bolster the squad great signing in my opinion, I'm sure we will spend some ££££ in the areas we desperately need to improve.

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