Liverpool Banter Archive July 31 2017

31 Jul 2017 23:19:19
We have exactly a month left till the transfer window, finally, closes its doors. On the whole I think Liverpool have done a satisfactory job. no more and no less.

We have strengthened our left side, i. e. left back, and now have a natural left footed player who can get up and down the flank and whip in some great balls to our pacy wingers and strikers. Andrew Robertson has all the attributes to be a very capable left back, all he needs is to improve the mental side of the game. I. e. concentration, reading the passage of play, positioning etc and I think he could be a steal at 8 million.

We have also acquired a quality player in Mohamed Salah. When Mane was injured we really struggled to break down teams, we played in front of them rather than stretched them. With Mane and Salah, the back line will have to confront two incredibly fast players who like to play on their last man. I honestly believe Liverpool has one of the best offensive players in England, potentially even Europe. Then again, only time will tell whether this is true or not.

We also brought in Solanke from Chelsea. Yes, we may have to play extra because of the tribunal fee but this kid has something about him. Solanke really has an eye for goal, can work for the team and compliment the teams style with great runs in behind as well as hold up play. I think, in a year or two, Solanke could very well force himself into the first team and provide quality in the final third. A great signing in my eyes, there are concerns. I wonder how long he will wait for his chance, or what Klopp had told him (After all, Klopp has been known to lie to his players over game time. ) in regards to playing time. Either way, good signing, but Ings time is numbered now.

Now, don't get me wrong. This transfer window has been a utter disaster on some fronts. Particularly are reputation. Being caught tapping up Van Dijk, the apology and now Van Dijk's non-compliance with Southampton's orders. We hold a lot of the blame, not all, because Van Dijk is a grown up who can make decisions for himself. But, we are far more culpable than any other party.

Not to mention, Klopp talking to the press about his preferred targets in order to cause unease and rile both the player, and his club, up.

So, in summary, the transfer window has been a really mixed bag, no less because the sides around us have strengthened considerably. But, the thing that really gets me is the stories and news coming out from Liverpool and related tabloids.

Jonathon Pearce, who worked for the Liverpool Echo, told his readers that Liverpool would break their transfer record twice. TWICE. That has not happened and it is one of the many reasons fans are so upset.

The media has raised our hopes, promised and gossiped about things that were never going to happen. Now, the penny has dropped and people are realising. Oh crap, they lied to us.

It just makes me sick, that people writes this garbage and. what's more. people actually read it. Why say stupid crap like that when you know your going to look really stupid at the end of it!? Yeah, you get an increased viewership count in the short term but the damage done to your reputation will be affected in the long term. It really makes no sense to me.

Apologies if all of this appears really scrambled but that is how my thoughts are at this point. Still, fingers crossed we sign one or two more quality players who can fight for a first 11 spot, especially centre back. And, that we keep Coutinho. Because, if, by the end of the transfer window, the only record we have broken is selling Coutinho for a new record. I fear that all hell will break loose in the streets of Liverpool.

01 Aug 2017 00:05:11
Im not being funny, Mango, but the media have done this for years. Have you only just realisd this transfer window that they are full of the brown stuff?

01 Aug 2017 02:05:35
Just as sex sells, so do big transfer stories. They get a whiff of what is on the air and the bloodhounds start barking. We feed into it by falling for the clickbait. the countless stories about VVD and Keita. and it is no wonder that the cycle continues. Just accept that people are interested in what goes on behind the scenes at liverpool as well as on the field and mass media will always take advantage of that. Fortunately this website exists to siphon through the mudslinging and bring the golden nuggets to light but even the Ed's can't be inside FSG and Klopps heads. they have to react to their actions. We have made bids that break our transfer records that were not accepted and we may be forced to look at alternatives if their clubs don't want to sell. It is an unavoidable fact of life that people make mistakes, there are consequences and objectively Liverpool have handled their business poorly this window. That said, they have made very good moves in the market at least where the personnel are concerned. certainly no headscratchers with VVD and Keita and Robinson felt like a no brainer too. Salah I think will be a revelation this season.

01 Aug 2017 08:41:29
We could have quite easily bloke our transfer record twice in Van dijk and keita. a lot of people thought/ still think they will happen.

01 Aug 2017 11:01:53
We'd probably have both these deals done had Klopp and the club not acted inappropriately towards them and their clubs, so we only have ourselves to blame if nether come. That's not the medias fault, it's Liverpools.

31 Jul 2017 22:55:25
i know it isn't really transfer news but seen a few people ask the question about where harry wilson has been! i was good mates with harry in school and was speaking to him yesterday he's injured with an Achilles injury and is due back in a week or so :)

01 Aug 2017 07:08:05
What has he been told about the clubs plans for him.

01 Aug 2017 23:43:22
i don't know mate haven't spoke to him about that! from what i know from last time i spoke to him its just like any of the young lads we rate you so stay and fight for a chance.

31 Jul 2017 21:18:33
Ed's and Members, Do you feel Michael Edwards job is in Jeopardy if the transfer window ends as is?

{Ed025's Note - i would not think so angus..

31 Jul 2017 22:26:10
I think he will keep his job but there is no questions there has been massive mistakes in this transfer window. The club have a lot to do in the next few weeks to make it somewhat respectable if at all possible. I think the management team as a whole inc Klopp need to look at themselves and make changes how they conduct themselves in the future. If it was my club I would be looking for someone else in Edwards role, with more experience.

It's a key part of the club think it's wrong move to not have someone with well respected experience who is experienced at negotiating. No disrespect to other clubs but when Liverpool come calling like any of the top 6 teams in the Prem we are quoted more for players we needed someone that was experienced to deal with these situations. Edwards simply isn't. Maybe he will prove me wrong in the next few weeks.

31 Jul 2017 22:49:32
would be a novel idea to let the guy figure out how to improve on these mistakes after his first few months in the role wouldn't it?

31 Jul 2017 23:06:35
The way I see it and I know this is not everyone's view.
We wanted serten players lw, lb, and not got them so we moved on to other options and got a few really good players and all good.
We have been after two players the hole transfer window VVD, NK, and not looked at other options for these positions so we know klopp wants to strengthen in these areas. Now I trust klopp and the club if we go into the season with the players we have and no more to join them so be it.
I just don't want to get to jan and hear "it's not a great time to sigh a player"
For me this is the most important few weeks for as long as I can remember going into a champions league qualifying game.
We've got the manager
We've got the ground
We've got the best supporters.
Now let's make a final push and just get a few world class players in please!

31 Jul 2017 23:21:01
What has he done wrong?

01 Aug 2017 01:34:15
THANK YOU ED025 for your always kind replies.

{Ed025's Note - no problem angus..

31 Jul 2017 20:25:41
Hi Eds,

Not a rumour but a question. Should Phil leave this window, do you see us going back for someone like Brandt? Or anyone else for that matter to play his role? Or is it more likely that one of the current squad (Lallana, Gini) may be the replacement?

Thanks.
LF.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know to be honest mate..

31 Jul 2017 21:17:14
I would say Brandt has less chance of playing if he came now and coutinho left than if we signed him before.

31 Jul 2017 20:03:32
With the talks of the safe standing at anfield, what would the estimated max safe capacity become if it were to happen? Or is it unknown yet.

Cheers.

31 Jul 2017 20:13:26
Who really cared what the capacity would be? What an absolute insult to the memories of the 96. I'm truly lost for words.

{Ed025's Note - im with you MK..do we really want to go down that road?..

31 Jul 2017 20:20:57
That's the point. It shouldn't change or it will be stupidly dangerous.

All that should happen is metal rails get put in front of the rows and the seat allocation remains the same, but when the game is on you hav3 someth7ng to lean on So you can stand and not fall and cause any sort of crushing issues.

Absolutely idiotic if they increase stadium capacities.

31 Jul 2017 20:22:28
Why would capacity increase? The proposed safe standing is based on rail standing so seats would just be flipped up. I'm guessing capacity would still be based on the number of seats.

31 Jul 2017 20:36:29
I just cannot understand it Ed025. I don't know how people can forget so easily. I wasn't even born until '94 but I have closely followed the fight for justice and listened to so many different interviews of survivors and families of the victims etc.

I really don't know how to explain what I think and feel about this alleged vote. I'm not even sure I'm angry. It's more like disappointment.

{Ed025's Note - my brother was at the game mate and i remember it vividly, i think its a terrible idea myself MK and im sure it would bring back some horrific memories to supporters who were there or lost loved ones, im very surprised liverpool would even consider it to be honest..

31 Jul 2017 20:55:28
Mk, an insult is the home fans who continue to stand at games.

Many attended Hillsbrough too, but continue to do so.

Times have changed and I see nothing wrong with it, and before you all pass comment, please be mindful none of you know me, and therefore do not know my past or association with people/ places.

Lets get on with it.

31 Jul 2017 21:03:35
There is no argument to support terracing at games.
The "atmosphere" argument is total balony.

Liverpool 4-3 Newcastle was al seater
Liverpool 1-0 Chelsea CL semi was all seater
Attaturk was all seater.
There are many other examples.

Give me one good reason to bring back terracing.

31 Jul 2017 21:19:06
As I said before, if there even is a 1% increase that someone may get hurt or worse, it should not be done. Especially seeing as the only getting hurt will be the fans, who are also the ones they are trying to get more money from.

31 Jul 2017 21:21:33
Standing at a game was banned for the reason of the 96 fans who lost their lives and the families it devastated. Anyone that stands should be banned, all seating is for the safety of fans not just the few.

Baz.

{Ed025's Note - im with you baz..

31 Jul 2017 21:45:00
Speaking as someone who didn't have any relatives at hillsborough, and doesn't know anyone who has been affected by Hillsborough, there's obviously certain things I don't fully understand but if anything I think it gives me a more neutral point of view, and i do not mean to upset anyone or offend anyone with what I'm about to say but.

If the Hillsborough stadium was seated, and the police still tried to force everybody into that one stand, I don't understand how the exact same thing wouldn't have happened if there was seats? Surely it was the cage at the front of the stand that was a problem?

31 Jul 2017 22:23:00
If it was seated they wouldn't have sent people into that stand after it got full.

31 Jul 2017 22:28:46
There is abosluteley no reason why standing is more dangerous than sitting. I was attendimg atleast 50 games that were standing and atmosphere created is amazing. it was all safe. some tragedies sometimes can't be avoided and police was reaponsible not standing. Anfield is turning into cinema lately and klopp even critisized it one or two times.

31 Jul 2017 22:56:48
MK you're 23? just finished uni!? I see why you have time for those novels. :p.

31 Jul 2017 23:03:55
It was the fences at Hillsborough people were caged in.

31 Jul 2017 23:23:35
You don't need to stand to create an atmosphere.

It's a myth which has been repeatedly dispelled.

31 Jul 2017 23:32:48
I voted for safe standing. Not for the atmosphere but simply to make it safer for the people currently standing on the kop and the others who have no choice to stand or not see the game. Safe standing is nothing like standing was back in the day, it's ok to say if you stand you should be banned but that simply will never happen and you all know it. Standing should be an option if done safely, and as clubs around Europe have shown us, it is safe. Let's not compare railed seating like at Celtic to the pens of old, they're completely different.

31 Jul 2017 23:49:09
Just wondering if everyone commenting on this thread has seen what safe standing actually is? It's not terracing.

Everyone still has a seat allocated and that is your spot. There is a railing in front of your seat so when the match is on you stand and lean on it. Single rows of people all with allocated spots and railings between each row.

01 Aug 2017 00:32:38
Terracing is a series of concrete steps for people to stand on.
It is terracing.

Seriously, what is the argument for standing. Can anyone actually give a good reason?
Making it safer for fools who choose to stand is not an argument. It is safest not to stand - simple.

01 Aug 2017 04:58:32
Has anyone been in the kop recently? Half of the season ticket holders these days would struggle to stand for more than 5 mins, let alone a whole match.
But that of course is beyond the point, Liverpool FC should never entertain this idea at all, ever, out of respect for the 96. ✊.

01 Aug 2017 05:59:09
Out of interest Mickey, of those season ticket holders who. couldn't stand for 5 mins ( :p ) are they also not contributing to a fervent match day atmosphere? I always wondered if the atmosphere was more about age and energy rather than day trippers etc etc.

01 Aug 2017 07:03:11
Think people who are younger are desensitized if that makes sense, it's a world were horrendous incidents are daily and reported on the news. Nothing shocks people anymore.

As time has gone by the horrific incident of the 96 has become less horrific to the younger generation.

Most who voted probably weren't even born and don't remember how it felt as a fan.

My dad was went and police knocked to inform us he had died. There was slot of confusion and he was home a few hours later. For me safe standing is not wanted or needed it's a recipe for disaster as you always need to plan for human error.

01 Aug 2017 09:16:28
i think tho that like most times following a disaster, the key aspects are what we learn to make it better. perhaps better is to not have "safe" standing? perhaps not.

31 Jul 2017 18:03:10
Eds do you think Klopp wants our final squad together ready for opening game v Watford, or is it unimportant really?

{Ed025's Note - it would be preferred MR but not essential mate..

31 Jul 2017 18:25:32
Mmmm but we need Defenders mate. Bad vibes going into the season that we are not strong enough back there.

31 Jul 2017 16:43:59
Hi eds, one player who I really rate is Hernandez. I seem to recall we were after him a few seasons back but nothing happened. Any reason why we didn't go for him this season after being put up for sale. There's no way we would have missed out to West Ham if we threw in a bid right?

{Ed001's Note - we don't bid for players because you rate them.}

31 Jul 2017 17:48:02
I don't think he'd have suited our style. He's someone who'll 9 times out of 10, put a chance away but offers very little apart from that. I think he'll do well alongside Andy Carroll when fit. Neither of them are ones to do a lot of running though and that could be to the team's detriment.

{Ed025's Note - yeah epic...you dont want anyone who scores 9 out of 10 chances he gets mate..

31 Jul 2017 18:04:15
Heh Heh. I don't get what you're saying Ed. I think he's a decent poacher, but the game has moved on a bit and strikers need a bit more in their game than just be able to convert a chance when it comes to them.

{Ed025's Note - really epic?, a player who scores goals is worth their weight in gold mate, forget about tracking back..

31 Jul 2017 18:39:53
Agree with eds on this. All I would judge my strikers on is scoring goals. Firmino for me is not a striker, I would have Hernandez as striker every day of the week. Bobby is better sat behind a striker. We create chances and the striker scores them. what more can you ask for?

{Ed001's Note - Hernandez does not score 9 out of 10 chances and Firmino ensures we create a lot more chances, whereas Hernandez would ensure we created less.}

31 Jul 2017 18:42:40
A few years back while my manager was giving me stick for not converting enough chances so I decided to do some research and at the time the striker with the best chance conversion ratio was higuain while he was at madrid and it was roughly 1 in 4. I politely told my manager as one of the better strikers in the league and certainly in the team if he stopped playing defenders in midfield they might create some chances meaning I wouldn't have to take a higher percentage of chances than higuian for us to score a few. Unsurprisingly the defence that season was great the problem was there was no balance.

31 Jul 2017 18:58:30
With Coutinho, Firmino, Salah and Mane with great technical ability and incredible chance creation, surely all we need for a striker at this stage is just to slot 9 out of 10 chances in the back of the net. Not finishing our chances was one of our main issues in the last two seasons!

{Ed025's Note - im with you donnie..

31 Jul 2017 19:41:59
Disagree ed025. When you have a striker like hernendaz who offers very little in buildup play, the team will struggle with creating. Sure Firmino might not score as much but if he's allround play results in nore chances created for others and himself then the team will benefit, which ultimately is the end goal. Think about it this way, last season Everton had a goalscorer in Lukaku but if the opponents stopped Lukaku then they stopped Everton. I'd rather the team not rely on just one goalscorer.

{Ed025's Note - your entitled to your opinion dilakh but there is a reason utd paid a record fee for lukaku..he puts the ball in the net, its the most difficult job in football mate..

31 Jul 2017 20:25:03
Forget Hernandez but are you seriously curving your argument to go into protecting are poor striker firmino by saying tracking back is more important.

Goals are. End of.

25 goal a season striker over any amount of running. Although probably all the top strikers do run. There probably a lot more prolific because they save there energy for when it actually matters rather than of tracked 50 yards back to then not be up top when the opportunity is there.

What's wrong with use.

We have had some of t he best strikers and near all our success with them. Stop justify - frankly - a poor excuse for a striker because he runs a lot.

I could run a lot if that's all the strikers job is.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely SS..

31 Jul 2017 20:42:58
This argument is going nowhere lol if he is scoringb 9 out 10, isn't it completely irrelecant how involved he is elsewhere on the pitch? Why be involved in build-up if 9 other players can do that so he can score a goal? I think you've over-thought klopp's idea of players being inter-changable and able to do various things on the pitch. There's nothing wrong with having a striker who only scores goals.

{Ed025's Note - it works for me faith..

31 Jul 2017 21:48:44
Hernandez might not have the physical build we may need, having Mane, Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana all being quite small built (relative to most CBs) .

From what I have seen, Solanke has very decent finishing as well as quite a physical presence which would also be v. beneficial for our lineup. I would like to see how he turns out.

31 Jul 2017 22:38:18
So if lukaku scored 20plus but everton still scored less than us. he is lazy, doesn't defend properly and in klopp and guardiola system defence starts from the first man. i agree firmino needs to score more goals and he probably will, but i know who i would have in my team beetwen him and lukaku. and ed025 the hardest thing in football is to play it simple and create chances over and over ;) footy is evolving and strikers are slowly dying. new ideas of 5,6 all round good pacey attacking players running in behind and swithing positions is the future, and luckily we have the manager who sees it.

{Ed025's Note - footy is simple mandzo...the team who puts the ball in the net the most wins, the tippy tappy passy passy days are gone mate, its high tempo direct stuff now thats effective...try and keep up mate..

01 Aug 2017 11:46:33
I think we're drawing a very long bow if we're going to lay blame at Lukaku's feet for their deficiencies.

31 Jul 2017 16:01:43
Hiya Ed001 I asked a question yesterday about how what was the verdict on SG since he came back I actually ment as a person sorry for the confusion.

{Ed001's Note - ah ok, still too early to judge really.}

31 Jul 2017 16:53:23
Cheer's Ed. How are you anyway? How's the health? As if all these repetitive questions isn't strenuous enough Ed.

{Ed001's Note - tired mate, it never seems to stop at this time of year. The health is the same as ever, I am still breathing which is enough. How are things with you BiL?}

31 Jul 2017 17:42:22
Family in great health thank God. That little family matter I was telling you about on the site look's like I'm going to have to go down the legal route but I kinda knew that. Anyway I must update my Avatar as the wee man sitting on my knee is now 2 1/ 2 where did time go Ed.

{Ed001's Note - my daughter is 16 in a couple of weeks, time just flies by. Good luck with the legal route, it is never an easy path.}

31 Jul 2017 18:25:52
Didn't know you had a daughter nice one, the other child in the Avatar she's 6.
Cheers Ed.

31 Jul 2017 16:10:59
With Klopp again coming out and saying Coutinho is not for sale. I am of the belief that he will stay at least 1 more season.

Hopeful that we will still get Van Dijk. For me he would be an ideal CB signing, due to him having the physical and leadership attributes we lack, as well as suiting Klopp's style of play.

If we keep Coutinho, sign VVD and can get sell the likes of Markovich, Moreno and Sakho, it will have been a good transfer window and we will definitely be a stronger team than last year.

31 Jul 2017 16:23:34
Can't argue with anything you have said JJ.

If we keep Coutinho, I believe it will only be us and Spurs who have kept our first team from last season together, out of the top 6?

That can only be a good thing, with Salah, Robertson and hopefully VVD to improve upon it.

31 Jul 2017 16:56:09
You know what JJ and Zeddicus they are the two most positive post's that I've read on here in a while.
Fair play.

31 Jul 2017 15:18:42
With Clyne likely out for the start of the season, who is most likely to step in? Milner, TAA or Flanno?

I would love to give TAA a try for a few games to see if he can secure the position, but I think its more likely Milner will play there due to reliability. A close run thing though.

I haven't watched all of the pre-season games in full, has Milner had a run out at RB?

31 Jul 2017 15:35:04
gomez?

{Ed002's Note - Not Gomez. I would think Flanagan.}

31 Jul 2017 15:46:32
How has Flanno looked in pre-season? Back to his 2014 best or still working his way back?

31 Jul 2017 15:54:58
Gomez is out injured for the Audi cup aswell. I Agree with Ed02 with comments Klopps made which are pretty much bang on TAA is offensively ready but defensively still needs work this is where Flanagan can work his way back in he has experience in premier league not the best going forward but was always a solid defender.

31 Jul 2017 14:57:49
Just been watching the highlights on sly of the 4-1 drumming we gave United at old trafford. what game with Stevie and Torres causing havoc.

{Ed025's Note - you love your history you lot..

31 Jul 2017 15:08:56
even that overweight German left back scored, three easy points .

31 Jul 2017 15:07:33
at least we have that to love and a future to be excited about ed!

{Ed025's Note - thats fair enough waqas..

31 Jul 2017 15:20:27
if you mean Dossena, I think he's italian.

31 Jul 2017 15:20:59
If you're on about dossena, he was Italian right?

31 Jul 2017 15:29:04
4 against Real Madrid earlier that week capped probably one of the most impressive weeks for our fine club!

31 Jul 2017 15:50:43
Don't the forget the 1-0 at the Bernabeau, the week before, Yossi Benayoun header

I was at that game, in the Madrid end, someone threw a can of tango at me when I was waving my scarf about after the goal.

31 Jul 2017 15:57:02
Ed25 EFC always singing and going on about if they know their history so we're not the only fans 😉🤣.

{Ed025's Note - your right mate, in fact its enough to make your heart go wohooooo.... :)

31 Jul 2017 16:40:52
That song is a first for me.

In all my life following football, I have never once heard the blues sing that one.

{Ed025's Note - have you never visited the school of science then davey?...the best supporters in england at the peoples club sing it on a regular basis mate..

31 Jul 2017 21:24:26
Ha, my mistake, he is Italian, but he was overweight, so I was half right .

31 Jul 2017 21:26:13
must have been all that Pasta .

31 Jul 2017 14:23:20
Rumours Klopp interested in Sanches of Bayern, nothing in it?

31 Jul 2017 13:18:11
Ed001 in particular, be interested to hear your views on the recent vote in which Liverpool fans voted in favour of safe standing, is it a generation forgetting about the dangers or are the proposals really the beginning of seeing safe standing again?

{Ed001's Note - there is no such thing as safe standing - 2 died just yesterday in South Africa in a crush. It is more than just a generation of people who are looking back with misty eyes and thinking it will bring back the atmosphere. It is also a bunch of kids who have never experienced it and have heard their elders talk about it forgetting about the crushes etc that used to happen every week. People somehow are stupid enough to think standing will bring back the atmosphere, despite there being no chance of the atmosphere returning while there is 90% of people busy filming it on their phone. That is a bigger problem than sitting.}

31 Jul 2017 14:30:57
Totally agree ed people on bloody phones a real pain
Up the pool.

31 Jul 2017 14:19:19
Thanks ed001, I must admit people using phones is my biggest bugbear, photos are fine but how often to people re-watch these videos, wish they just use their own eyes and appreciating what they saw. Rather than share it for a like! Plus there is the phones getting in other peoples way. (Sorry that turned into a bit of a rant)

I have only been to one game where it was standing but I wouldn’t want it back at Anfield out of respect more than anything else.

Atmosphere does need fixing but I don’t believe this is the way to do it.

{Ed001's Note - I hate the selfie fascination as well. Watch the game if you are lucky enough to be there. Be a part of it, not watching it through a screen.}

31 Jul 2017 14:23:53
Ed in reference to the crush at the Johannesburg stadium, the deaths occurred outside the actual stadium at one of the entrance gates in, via a stampede, that's the info im getting here. What im trying to get at is, is it dangerous as in the standing seats will allow more people to fill the stadium so will cause these stampedes and with standing seats is it generally first come first serve in England like it is here is S. A?

{Ed001's Note - yes, exactly, more people, more likelihood of crushes. In seats they have to have a ticket for a specific speck, with stands you don't get that. There is also the fact that you are cramming more people into a smaller area, which increases risk. It only takes one person to trip and there is mayhem.}

31 Jul 2017 14:27:44
ED001, Im sorry but i disagree. The incident that happened yesterday in south Africa had absolutely nothing to do with safe standing, The incident occurred at the gates of the stadium with flocks of people who had been sold fake tickets trying to get into the ground. People need to realise that supporters will stand either way. It is far safer for both people who want to sit and people who want to stand if both are allocated sections in the stadium. Safe standing isn't the terraces of old and is currently working outside of England. Standing in an area designed to be safe if far safer than standing in an area created for sitting. The real question is do people want to stand safely or stand unsafely. Only one answer for me.

{Ed001's Note - it would be safer if the morons who think they should stand got booted out to stop them blocking the view of everyone else, the selfish pricks. They seem to forget that they are not the only ones who have paid.

Look the point is this is ridiculous, people die in crushes, regardless of whether it was standing or not yesterday, the incident was still highlighting the difficulty of large crowds of people entering small areas. It does not matter how 'safe' the standing is, people are still utter morons and they are still selfish aholes who will push others out of the way because they are in a rush and think they are more important. That is going to cause injuries, regardless of whether it is outside or inside, the more people in a smaller area you have, the worse the problems are.

Your whole point was based on just saying idiots should get their way, which is not how it should work. Until people have proved they can behave and treat each other with respect, then you are always going to have problems. That will never happen, so there will never be safe standing.}

31 Jul 2017 14:59:37
100% agree with Edd on this. Nothing worse than a few idiots spoiling things for others.
I really hope the owners do not go through with even one standing area.

31 Jul 2017 15:11:06
Rail seating (the type of standing that was polled) is incredibly similar to normal seating - people are still given a place to stand (with the same amount of spacing as a normal seat), it just allows the lack of a proper seat. Rail seating makes it physically impossible for crushes to occur on the terrace, as there are barriers across every row. As you've said, people die in crushes regardless of standing or seating - these incidents are not happening because of how people choose to digest their football.
Saying that there won't be safe standing because people are idiots doesn't make sense, these idiots are already going to the games and sitting in a seat, so surely these crushes should already be occurring?

31 Jul 2017 15:01:53
Do you actually know what safe standing is?

Your not going back to taking all the seats out of the stand. You are just putting bars in front of each row and keeping it exactly the same but so people can stand.

We need to start learning about things before we start commenting.

The kop won't turn into a 60k stand.

Just when you stand, as already happens, your seat will go back and there will be a big metal rail in front of you so you don't fall forward and into peiple and cause a potential crush. So confused when people think there captain Wikipedia and are just completely wrong.

Also sitting down is relaxing hence why you don't Netflix and stand. It certainly kills the atmosphere because the match becomes more of a movie only getting happy when something good is happening. Standing up keeps you on your toes and more likely to sing and be more involved in every aspect of the game. Why usually the away fans always crush the home fans in singing. They always stand.

31 Jul 2017 15:23:41
If there is a 1% increased chance of someone getting hurt it should not be done. Football is a game end of the day, and the people in charge should be doing everything they can to protect the fans, not risk there health and loves for more money.

31 Jul 2017 15:32:08
I agree with that ED, My point is simply as much as people will say they shouldn't stand they always will. My view is based on my grandad who 4 years ago broke his collar bone at the back of Anfield after he got knocked 3 rows forward after a goal was scored. People will stand, especially at the back of the kop, I just want it made so people who want to stand have their own area and people who want to sit like my grandad can do that without being forced to stand dangerously to watch the game. This for me isn't about the atmosphere its simply about making it safer to watch the game whatever your preference on sitting or standing is.

{Ed001's Note - like I said, you don't give in to morons who refuse to listen. That way anarchy lies.}

31 Jul 2017 16:33:04
I think spirit of shankley had a really good discussion with all views being heard. People in the kop stand, therefore safe standing is much better than seats. For atmosphere its clear than standing singing is much better than sitting down singing. I'm glad the kop is standing. Let's make that as safe as possible.

{Ed001's Note - I really have no interest in discussing this with someone who makes up nonsense in their head. There is nothing 'clear' about it at all, other than people's misty-eyed reminiscences of a past that never actually existed. The atmosphere out in Asia over the last few games has shown that it is nothing to do with sitting that Anfield is crap nowadays.}

31 Jul 2017 16:52:56
Just to touch on the "a hole" ed comments.

I was at the carling cup final against city when we lost on pens.

I was sat upper tier about five rows back. So fairly good view. There was a group of 15/ 20 guys (not kids, youngest would have to be in the 30s - most probably a tad older) sat in the first two rows who refused to sit the entire game. It never directly affected me as they were a good few seats over but there were families and kids behind who couldn't see jack. None of them where one bit bothered. When challenged they told one guy, in full view of the kids around, to feck off and other such wordings.

Just thought I would share in light of the "selfish pricks" comment. Which I throughly agree with.

{Ed001's Note - that's exactly the kind of thing I meant.}

31 Jul 2017 13:26:31
Have we any other alternate targets to Keita, think we still need another CM to play in the three with Hendo and coutinho. Wig and lallana are great but can go missing.

{Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

31 Jul 2017 13:56:42
Who's he?

31 Jul 2017 15:10:40
Klopp needed Kieta so that LFC will play with two CM
Of probably hendo/ Kieta while Couts is allowed to roam freely behind the forward 3.

Since Kieta's deal is all but done, Lfc will stick to to our
Three man midfield.

Except Can/ Couts leave, LFC won't move for any CM.

31 Jul 2017 11:52:26
Eds if VVD was to sign who do you think it will signal the end for Lovren or Klavan? Surely one of them will be sold if he is signed? Thanks in Advance.

{Ed025's Note - yes one will leave Cy..

31 Jul 2017 12:25:46
one of the eds was saying it would be Gomez that left if we signed a centre back. but with the way Klopp has been talking about Gomez do you think he has changed his think during preseason. I really hope so think he has a lot more to offer.

31 Jul 2017 12:08:30
Ed002 has suggested that it would infact be Joe Gomez that would leave should VVD arrive, not Lovren nor Klavan.

Personally I'd be devastated if that were the case. Gomez's versatility across the back line, his young age and his excellent pace and strength make him ideal as the future of our defence to me. I would much rather see Lovren or Klavan leave than him, considering both are significantly older!

31 Jul 2017 13:21:02
Gomez has trained/ played his way into klopps plans. He's not going anywhere.

{Ed002's Note - Failure to recruit van Dijk is the reason he is not going to Brighton.}

31 Jul 2017 13:24:20
Klavan for me all day long.

31 Jul 2017 13:37:26
would love VVD to sign and Klavan to go, but think we would struggle to sell Klavan. can't even see to many teams coming in for him even on a free.

31 Jul 2017 13:45:04
There is no interest in Klavan. It could well be VVD arrives and no one leaves imo.

31 Jul 2017 11:23:08
So how do you think we are doing against our rivals for league / top 4? Chelsea could struggle a little if Morato does not gel but I think he is quality and will do well in the EPL Chelsea should be top 3 at worst. Spurs have yet to buy and with the move away from WHL and CL football could struggle to maintain top 4 - their defense is what makes them top 3 any injuries to Kane, Ali or a CB will hurt them massively as I do not see enough coverage in their squad. Man City have spent big on defense - like LFC attacking is not an issue and I do not see them as title contenders but definitely top 4, how shaky their defense is will define their season. Man U have spent BIG again, not sure about this Swedish CB but De Gea staying is a massive boast. Going forward they have very good options - they still do not look like a team but a bunch of individuals who they would hope perform on different games and not the same. Top 4 is where I see them. Arsenal could be in real trouble with Ox, Sanchez and Ozil all doubts I do not see them as top 6 and the Europa league is an awful comp to be in. Therefore I see Top 3 contenders as Chelsea, Man U and Man City and LFC with Spurs and Arsenal dropping out of this group - your thoughts?

31 Jul 2017 11:44:31
I had a similar conversation with myself the other day and concluded that Spurs along with Arsenal will be two clubs missing out on top 4.

31 Jul 2017 12:18:24
Spurs?

Write them off at your peril!

31 Jul 2017 12:32:10
not to sure about arsenal if they keep Sanchez think they will have a good season. Spurs I think will really struggle playing at Wembley, big pitch for the way they play week in week out and for every small club going there for players that don't get to play there its like a cup final. SO it is not like a home game and don't think they have the best of away form.

31 Jul 2017 12:43:43
I think it will be Man utd, man city and chelsea for the title fight with spurs and arsenal fighting for top 4 and liverpool and everton maybe pushing them for top 4 aswell but more likely fighting for 6th place finish. It is time to be realistic we are falling behind in terms of quality and when coutinho leaves it will have a negative effect on us. Spurs are good enough to challenge for the title its just the wembley home matches that may hinder them this year.

31 Jul 2017 12:52:46
we have added 3 players utd about the same not sure if them players are that good that they now have a better team than us. still think utd will struggle to break teams down.

31 Jul 2017 12:59:04
I completely agree with u Carlos,
I tip Chelsea and Man City to go all the way


Man City has the strongest squad in the league at the moment, their biggest problem was their defense last
Season and how they wasted time and possession in the final thirds of the pitch. They have addressed that and are still in the process of addressing it. They will challenge for the title

Chelsea was near perfect last season. They are ruthless against the smaller teams
Their biggest problem would be the squad depth especially now that they plan to sell Matic and are in the champions league . they will challenge for the tittle

ManU . Their attack was weak last season but it was almost impossible to outscore them. They have gone further to strengthen. Their biggest challenge was 'no definite game plan'. Top4 is very possible

Liverpool. LfC biggest challenge was squad depth and concentration. The club was doing perfectly till Jan when it lost its key players. They have made some key additions but selling their most creative force, Coutinho would be their biggest undoing.
I don't see them challenging for the crown like this, more signings required. Top4 still very possible

Arsenal. No opinion


Tottenham . Finished the season on extreme high. Not surprised by their silence in the market . Top4 possible.

31 Jul 2017 10:30:59
Hi eds,

Am I the only Liverpool fan feeling let down yet again during a transfer window? Yes we got Salah, yes we got Solanke who is of great potential and of course Robertson, but are they enough to compete to the highest level with our current squad?

I feel that it's going to be another season of nail biting and cardiac arrest match watching weekends.

Is it only me or do other fans feel the same way? We don't need a whole new squad, all I want is see my team sign a couple of marquee signings that would change and perfect our game day in day out. I would like to see our compete and not having the need for a defibrillator next to me when watching a game.

I just hope that before the transfer window shuts the fans can look forward to a great season with a few more new faces. All the negativity is just getting tiring now.

Keep up the great work guys and hope to get some good news regarding our beloved football club.

Y. N. W. A.

31 Jul 2017 10:43:18
Can't help but feel something is on the cards.

I can't see what it will be but it will obviously be late on.

Nothing really goes to plan it's how u react when it goes wrong.

31 Jul 2017 10:44:52
Just you mate.

31 Jul 2017 10:52:03
Op is correct to some degree as the club have been linked with good players but at this moment we seem to have missed out.

31 Jul 2017 10:52:09
Adrien you do know that the transfer window is still open for another month and out of curiosity which two marquee signings would you realistically like us to sign?

31 Jul 2017 10:53:06
Chill man. Still 4 weeks of the window left.

31 Jul 2017 10:55:58
Never healthy to lust after something you don't have. find something to enjoy about the players we do have. There are plenty of positives
Also does any club other than Bayern have seasons without nail biting!?

31 Jul 2017 11:15:53
this window does have a similar feeling of the Clint Dempsey transfer window.

I'd be happy if we kept couts and addressed the CB.
don't get me wrong, I've lowered my expectations of Liverpool drastically, because what we want as a fan base doesn't exactly live up to fans expectations. Easier just to be satisfied with who we get and applaud those who leave, because no matter how much we rant, rave and write messages to the club. They're going to do exactly what they want to do.

If they're going to sell Couts, there's literally nothing we can do about it,

{Ed002's Note - Gaston Ramirez is still available.}

31 Jul 2017 11:40:53
Yeah, your the only one. How about we let the window roll on and then we talk in September?
Exactly what are some people expecting? Why be policing the club on a minute by minute basis?

Am sure LFC officials aren't sat on their hotdog in one hand and playing computer games 24/ 7. Am sure much work is going on. What comes of it is another matter.

So please, can people just chill! The constant bleating here is honestly tedious. Same repetitive drivel mostly about stuff that ain't even happened yet and may not even happen.

Just give the club the space to get with its business of concluding transfers without whinging every 2 seconds there been no new signing since last one yesterday midday.

31 Jul 2017 11:42:44
We will all have a different point of view of course. Klopp has worked wonders with the team he inherited from Rodgers.

It would be nice to see the club being able to attract a couple of big names from time to time not just be linked with them to then be disappointed. We are Liverpool, we have a great manager, and still a lot of time, it would be nice to keep Coutinho and make a few more signings to have the depth to compete in the league as well as the UCL.

It's nice to see that we still have positive fans that unlike me don't overthink too much.

Whatever happens for me Liverpool will always be the club I love.

31 Jul 2017 12:40:05
"Whatever happens for me Liverpool will always be the club I love. "

Agreed. Thank you, my good sir Adrien.

We all would like to see good signings coming in ASAP. sure. But it's not always so simple. I just plead with folk to allow for the club to get on with the transfers.

The some terrific commentators and analyst here. Would be great to read their posts about say, how Robertson could come on, Grujic's role and other technical aspects etc.
Better than reading a bleating post moaning that we not signing players. even though transfer still a long way from closing.

31 Jul 2017 09:22:45
Ed2, is there any wider impact across Europe from England's increased spending power this summer? I. e. Are clubs holding out for big fees from English teams rather than sell to Italy, Germany and Spain?

{Ed002's Note - Yes there are clubs who will look for more money from English sides but it is not stopping sales to elsewhere.}

31 Jul 2017 10:24:06
Cheers Ed.

31 Jul 2017 01:18:44
What's up with wonder dog?