Liverpool Banter Archive December 31 2017

31 Dec 2017 23:28:27
Best wishes for a Happy and peaceful New Year to all the Eds and to everyone else in the LFC family

Let's get some silverware this year

Hope 2018 brings justice for the families of the 96.

31 Dec 2017 23:20:29
Happy new year to all from Malta, whether you're red, blue or anything in between, hope you and your loved ones have a good 'un.

31 Dec 2017 20:40:54
Happy New Year Eds and the entire Liverpool fam. The previous year has been a joy reading each post and the friendly banter / heated debates :D

Thanks for keeping us updated with authentic details Eds, i don't know where we would be without you guys really :p

Ed002, could you ever do an article on the financial side of the game, as we have always been advised to steer clear of monies involved in transfer etc, just curious.

Thanks again for all the efforts Eds and here's to another great year!
Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - How about we set aside a day when I will try and answer money questions?}

31 Dec 2017 21:02:09
I'd love to know more about the financial side of things because to be quite frank I haven't the slightest about it.

31 Dec 2017 21:55:07
I will be honest, like Salah I don't have clue about the financial side of the game so if you were to set aside a day I would be grateful.

31 Dec 2017 22:26:29
Brilliant Ed I like the rest of us lesser mortals haven't a dog's about the money end of thing's.

31 Dec 2017 22:45:12
How about Wednesdays ed? ;)

01 Jan 2018 12:37:44
Thanks for the reply Ed002, that would be great indeed :D.

31 Dec 2017 20:19:36
"Take a leap of faith and begin this wondrous new year by believing"

One for Liverpool fans!

Happy New Years guys! Stay safe.

31 Dec 2017 19:35:53
Best wishes to all you reds and Eds for 2018

Keep up the good work

Scutty.

31 Dec 2017 18:58:51
thanks for all the info in 2017 ed002 you are mve make sure you get a pay rise haha happy new year mate.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks Danny, keep it greasy.}

31 Dec 2017 18:52:49
Ed am I right in thinking goretzka cannot sign a pre contract with Bayern under the bosman as he is playing in the same country?
Maybe there's ways around if by a gentlemans agreement i don't know.

{Ed002's Note - He can sign a pre-contract if the clubs both agree. The same as Diego Costa, Sandro Wagner etc.. All signed pre contract agreements. It is nothing to do with the Bowman ruling. Lucas Lima falls into the same category.}

31 Dec 2017 18:59:52
Thanks gaffer.

31 Dec 2017 17:40:45
..................rubbish deleted.............

{Ed002's Note - Let me deal with your last sentence first. I spend most of my time explaining things over and over to the less fortunate in the world who are unable to read what has been written or to assimilate anything at all. Those who are not bright enough to understand the posts or who are unable to use the search function. People like you. Your questions were easy to answer and have been dealt with repeatedly on here which you would have known if you had made an effort. I would be more than happy to have answered them again, but no - you want to show yourself as a little johnny jerkoff. And being nasty little stain you are, you decide it better to go after me.}

31 Dec 2017 18:09:29
Looks like vegetable soup is back on the menu.

31 Dec 2017 18:22:13
Ed002's put downs are always so delightfully eloquent.

31 Dec 2017 18:45:32
No nonsense approach from the gaffer. It's why our team will prevail over ed001s :)

31 Dec 2017 19:52:02
I do enjoy the schadenfreude of reading Ed002’s putdowns. Lovely stuff.

31 Dec 2017 20:26:18
Gotta love them comebacks from Ed2 hahaha 'a little johnny jerkoff' - Your a legend Ed2 mate.

31 Dec 2017 20:58:23
Little Jonny jerk off just made brandy come out my nose. Brilliant Ed02.

31 Dec 2017 21:05:28
And the award for the your mum should of swollowed you post in 2017 goes to Ed02.

31 Dec 2017 16:14:35
Seems to me that coutinho will go in the summer and it also seems to me from the players bought keita chamberlain and those linked goretzka draxler et am, he is looking to create a box to box midfield with a bit of size. Think Chelsea last year. Would seem to me that winaljdum, can, even henderson don't quite fit with an ultra flexible midfield like that. Any thoughts on this?

31 Dec 2017 16:37:25
Goretzka is off to Bayern apparently.

31 Dec 2017 16:41:38
Goretzka to Bayern is pretty much a done deal.

31 Dec 2017 16:58:58
Like VVD was to City you mean Dennis?

I’m not saying Goretzka is coming to us but perhaps some caution from your side wouldn’t go amiss. You were so adamant about VVD stating it was “obvious” which left you looking a bit daft.

31 Dec 2017 16:56:54
I agree Can doesn't fit in.

However Henderson does. He is the most flexible midfielder we have currently. Capable of playing literally anywhere in midfield. Holding, box to box, attacking, or even out wide. Wijnaldum is a back up player at best in my opinion, but he is also very flexible. The trouble is he's just not that good.

I agree aside from that though. Chambo, Hendo and Keita all seem very flexible and capable of playing a more traditional midfielder role where they are expected to contribute offensively and defensively. It definitely looks as though that is what Klopp wants.

I fear that Henderson's injuries have finished him though. I think this hamstring injury might by the beginning of the end. Lallana is the same. They both miss half the season every year, and you can't build around players like that. I would keep them both around for experience and depth, but in terms of the first XI it's time to move on for me. Not because of lack of quality, but due to reliability. Sturridge has been available more often in the last 12 months than they have. Daniel Sturridge!

31 Dec 2017 17:20:26
If Henderson’s done as much as his attitude is admirable we’re best moving him in. I think we’d struggle to find takers though regardless of his fitness. Our midfield is full but not quite what Klopp seems to want so will change it up I think.

01 Jan 2018 11:40:44
Our centre midfield lacks quality we may well be packed with midfielders but how many are genuine top class?

87Red, there was very good reason to believe that we weren’t in the hunt for van Dijk, given that City had apparently made an offer and he was being offered to PSG and Barcelona (apparently? ) as well as our appalling actions in the summer.

01 Jan 2018 11:41:04
Hmm if I was Mr Hendo and read that MK it's like a red flag waved to a bull I would not write anyone off so easily especially someone deemed worthy of captaincy. It's purely speculation on your part there.

31 Dec 2017 15:36:16
Do you believe we will sign Goretzka?
I really hope we do. 🤞.

31 Dec 2017 15:40:54
Eds have said he was our keita back up. That being said if we have interest and couts goes in Jan certainly we could make a move imho.

{Ed002's Note - Use the search engine or read the posts.}}

31 Dec 2017 15:57:11
German Media: Goretzka agreed to move to Munich. That should end this topic as well. ^^.

31 Dec 2017 17:22:09
German media, like the Spanish media, feed the masses with crap like the scummy papers here do. I don’t understand how they aren’t controlled (news papers) when the bulk of what they post are farces and fallacies.

31 Dec 2017 14:48:40
Alright Eds bit premature but happy New year to you and all my fellow posters keep up the great work lads terrific imformative and factual site. Anyways expect pip to go in the summer deal to be agreed this window expect world class keeper, full back and attacking midfielder to be addressed in the summer don't think we will do much else in Jan unless pip goes and we can replace him with top player although with hendo injured till February we might push for the naby deal to be done sooner think there will some outgoings sales and loan deals for our fringe players expect studge or ings or both to be sold or loaned out . Team steadly improving don't think VVD will sort everything out in the backline single handed but will vastly improve things as i believe he has the leadership qualities needed to organise and add some steel to our leaky defence think gomez and TAA will benifite enormously from him as a result .
Anyway happy New year to you all
Keep the faith
Come on the super reds.

{Ed002's Note - Happy new year - and as Liverpool supporters you are all premature I here.}

31 Dec 2017 19:36:12
People in glass houses and all that ed2 ha ha happy New year bud.

{Ed002's Note - Enjoy your evening NSZ.}

31 Dec 2017 13:36:08
Klopp confirms Mignolet will start against Burnley.

31 Dec 2017 13:55:40
Wonderful.

31 Dec 2017 14:12:25
Happy new year guys!

31 Dec 2017 14:21:36
What a joke this whole goalkeeper situation is turning out to be. I really don’t get Klopp’s thinking with this one. Why even bother starting Karius if you are going to drop him after one game?

31 Dec 2017 14:24:26
Nothing like giving Burnley a late Christmas present.

31 Dec 2017 14:48:03
We have all had that one friend that should leave their partner who is just not good for them, we can all see it but no matter what they never do. They have better options out there staring them in the face but for reasons beyond you and everyone close to them they always run back to that one person. This is Klopp with Mignolet and Karius, sad thing is if we are all being honest, deep down we all knew Klopp would start Mignolet for our next game.

31 Dec 2017 15:23:04
Red Sandman - Exactly mate, I just don't understand it. wrote out a paragraph but deleted it I'm fedup of saying the same thing regarding the GK situation, it winds me up and I'm trying to have a chilled day lol.

31 Dec 2017 15:25:02
It is stupid. But unbeaten in what 17 games? Everyone knows where I stand on migs, but what Klopp as done he's created competition in every position on the pitch and his has worked. He's trying to do so with gk, in which unfortunately it hasn't worked with migs making countless errors.

31 Dec 2017 15:46:25
Benny - it’s hardly rotation or competition for places if Migs is guaranteed his starting position regardless of the errors and points drops that he has caused.

Karius didn’t have the best game, but didn’t have a stinker either. Yet he was still dropped after just one game. How is that useful in any way for the team? Most of the criticism of Karius’ performance were in relation to his kicking which could have been down to nerves. Give the lad a wee run on games to get his confidence up and see how he gets on. Don’t just play him for a single game at home.

Honestly this goal keeper situation is just so effing frustrating.

I get that you don’t want to change a winning team - but Migs was single handily losing us points. When is enough enough?

Red Sandman.

31 Dec 2017 16:26:19
Cheers for the thumbs down guys. I assure you though it's not me picking him 😂.

{Ed025's Note - i always say....shoot the messenger.. :)

31 Dec 2017 17:22:17
I don't think the keeper situ will be resolved in this transfer window but I hope an pray that come the summer it's taxi for migs an I'll drive him if you want.

31 Dec 2017 21:15:51
Don't know about a taxi. Someone needs to show Klopp old yella. Sometimes you've got to do things you don't like for the good of the dog.

31 Dec 2017 11:57:22
My personal review on the game.

Karius - Didn't really have anything to do. But his kicking at times was a worry, But i think that was nerves so it is something that can be improved.

Gomez - Had a good game. Made some great tackles but didn't seem to want to get forward too much because he seemed to want to cover Matip.

Matip - Horrible pass out from the back that lead to there goal early on. And even though he had little to do seemed to make it look like Leicester had chances to get back into the game.

Lovren - Looks half the player when paired with matip. Doesn't seem to know if he can push out or drop of because he has no understanding with matip like he does Klavan.

Robertson - At times made some good tackles but other times was easily beaten. Only delivered 1 good cross which was for Mane's ruled offside goal. Also had the feeling that 100% of the time he had the ball he just wanted to give it to coutinho.

Can - Did ok in the game, Nothing really of note to say. Worked hard, Tried to get the ball forward.

Milner - Spent a lot of time on the left hand side. Either by instruction or his own accord didn't trust Robertson and was doing his job.

Coutinho - Same old this season, Tried to do too much with the ball, Did very little to help out defensively. Made some good passes but nothing that made me think we'd fall away without him.

Mane - Still not his typical best performance wise but was getting in good positions and had 2 goals disallowed. He looks like he is going to hit form in time for the second half of this season.

Salah - 2 well taken goals and could have had a few more too. Some will give him man of the match but not for me this time. But he was very good.

Firmino - My man of the match. I genuinely love this guy. Forget getting his name on the back of my shirt, Ill tattoo his name on my back haha. Seriously though had an off day and was still the best player on the pitch in my opinion. Just an absolute genius of a player.

Just one quick thought i had, our attack reminds me of another attack,

Salah - Henry
Firmino - Bergkamp.

{Ed025's Note - they are very good players SH, but lets not compare them to henry and bergkamp just yet, they are for me the best 2 premiership players ever, get a bloody grip man!.. :)

31 Dec 2017 12:17:44
haha ed025, Ireally do think they are up there. Salahs goal threat is up there with henrys and firmino is just as much of a genius as bergkamp, if we had a defence and keeper as good as arsenal had then i think we would be 15 points clear with city also.

{Ed025's Note - firmino as good as bergkamp?????...wash your mouth out with soap mate..

31 Dec 2017 12:12:24
Plus they won't stay around long enough too establish themselves as legends, we all know wat happens when the very big boys e. g Barcelona, real Madrid, an psg too a certain extent come calling an if we ain't in champions league or winning cups wat can we expect these guys are real quality.

31 Dec 2017 12:22:46
Ed25 I think its you that needs to get a grip, every man and his dog knows that Bruno Cheyrou the magician and Andriy Voronin the long hair deadly assassin were the best players to grace the premiership.

{Ed025's Note - i forgot about them two alonso, the morcambe and wise of skillful football, they did for football what hattie jaques did for weightwatchers mate..

31 Dec 2017 12:41:59
Matip did play an awful pass yes, but should can have made a move for him and try and make an angel. Not defending matip, if nothing was on don't force it, get rid - but still think can could have helped by being where the pass was on.

{Ed025's Note - if he was not in a good place then why pass to him firmane?, matip made a pigs ear of it and is solely the one to blame..

31 Dec 2017 13:09:54
firmane what do you mean could have been were the pass was on, he wasn't so matip shouldn't have played it. Can was in a position to recieve a pass yet matip played it into the wilderness.

31 Dec 2017 13:24:32
I'm probably going to get slated but as bad as matips pass was, I think Robertson could have been in a better position. I'm not saying he could have stopped the goal, I just think he took himself out of the equation. I think it's great bombing up the pitch when we're in a decent position to attack but with vardy floating around, delay the run until the ball is away from your box. Adding to that, while I like the attacking intent, I can't help but feel he took up a lot of space that mane could have used. The last few games I thought Robertson had improved but yesterday I thought he had taken a few backward steps.

31 Dec 2017 13:39:55
Firmane makes an excellent point. Whilst Matip should have used his brain and just cleared it if there was no option, Can is so lazy at times.

Can and Gini both do this actually. They almost never move to find space and give people options. Gini is the worst though. Watch him next time he plays and he literally hides behind opposition players. Against Swansea i clocked him nearly every time seemingly deliberately trying to stay behind a Swansea player.

Gini and Can are both hiding. Neither player wants the ball in midfield areas right now and it makes it so hard for us to play out from the back at times. We are really going to miss Henderson in January. I really hope we can sign Keita or Goretzka so we have someone in the middle if the park who wants the ball, and has a bit more quality than Milner!

31 Dec 2017 18:13:26
Totally agree MK about Wini especially. So frustrating to see him taking up positions where he literally has no chance of receiving the ball, especially when he has the touch, skill and drive to receive, move around players and drive towards goal. He’s at his best when he does this and he is capable but hasn’t been doing it enough this year I’m afraid.

31 Dec 2017 11:29:13
I have a question for ed2 if he will. If Nike have leaked the transfer or are further unsettling the player on barcas behalf. Will they or have they broken any laws and could they be punished.

{Ed002's Note - In terms of the laws of the game they would not have made any direct approach for the player so strictly speaking no. In terms of professionalism, if they did actually deliberately put out a press release, it is entirely unacceptable. If anything did actually happen it would not have been deliberate on behalf on Nike.}

31 Dec 2017 11:45:47
With the actual link being dead, and it happening Apri midnight/ the early hours, I believe they were just getting it prepared/ tested and wasn't expecting anyone to see it. However news travels fast, gossip travels at the speed of light.

31 Dec 2017 12:12:28
I can’t believe there was an accident at all. It went out, it was removed but the message is clear. It certainly looked like Coutinho may hav3 been holding his back when he was substituted.

{Ed002's Note - Some sort of conspiracy against Liverpool maybe? Laughable, you really are the most naive fans in the world.}

31 Dec 2017 12:25:38
It was on the official Barcelona website, buy Barcelona had no knowledge? Pull the other one.

{Ed002's Note - What do you think was on the Barcelona web site?}

31 Dec 2017 12:43:43
Benny, you can test without going live on sites, they have test sites for that. Plus it was just a little wording, I doubt they would need to do a full on site test. Not saying it's right or wrong, just i heavily doubt it was a test gone wrong.

31 Dec 2017 12:43:25
What’s Coutinhos new number out of interest?

{Ed025's Note - iscariat 40..

31 Dec 2017 14:47:28
Will New balance or dunkin donuts be announcing our transfers from now on Then?

31 Dec 2017 15:53:56
Not a conspiracy at all ed2 and as a pool supporter in certainly not going to criticise another club's behaviour in getting players. I was just disagreeing with benny about it being a test. I can't see a mistake like that happening. I was however suggesting that cout might take the opportunity to act up as he did. Personally, it's just another move in an embarrassing saga. Let the player leave as it is likely causing quite a fair bit of disharmony in the dressing room.

{Ed002's Note - What other club is this?}

31 Dec 2017 16:10:41
Oh no. I shouldn't have said anything. I'm about to get owned by ed2. I meant whatever happened with coutinho and shirt numbers and websites and whatnot was unlikely to be a test or an error. But I'm not going to criticise Barcelona if they were aware of it happening as it would be hypocritical as Liverpool's behaviour in attaining players or unsettling players has been dreadful.

{Ed002's Note - How is it anything to do with Barcelona. If Bic (Liverpool’s Ball Point Pen Partner) were to drop its electric raspberry colour (the same colour used in Young Boys fourth European away kit), would it be the fault of Liverpool?

31 Dec 2017 16:41:40
I see your point. I just thought it strange it was linked on the Barcelona website according to the (admittedly dubious) telegraph. I just can't see them having the site linked to their page and being unaware that couts number was put up without Nike informing them. I also can't see Nike making such an error like that but who knows. If you think there was nothing in it, there was probably nothing in it.

31 Dec 2017 21:19:02
I believe coutinios new number is 708 7080. TAXI.

01 Jan 2018 11:35:28
The Nike advertisement for Barcelona - coutinho jerseys and the link to buy them were on the official Barcelona website, I highly doubt Nike have the power to post links on their website without their knowledge, if this was Liverpool they'd have strips tore off them,

31 Dec 2017 10:14:26
Eds, obviously Coutinho is desperate to move to Barcelona asap, what I don't understand is why we'd be willing to let him leave in January when we're almost certainly going to be unable to register his replacement in the Champions League this season? Surely we wouldn't go into the knockout stages without our best player, or any kind of quality replacement?

{Ed001's Note - what has Salah to do with this?}

31 Dec 2017 10:53:18
What does Bobby Firms have to do with any of this?

31 Dec 2017 10:50:34
I like what you did there Ed1 :)

{Ed001's Note - cheers ;-)

31 Dec 2017 10:55:49
lovely ed001 ha.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate.}

31 Dec 2017 14:22:18
Fair enough lol but point still stands no?

31 Dec 2017 21:27:46
Why are people desperate to hold on to Coutinio till the summer. Yes he's quality but I'd rather play Llanna or the Ox and let him go. It's like clinging on to your bird when you know she's smashing your best mate.

31 Dec 2017 09:54:44
Hey eds and fellow reds,
Now that coutinho departure is almost certain, who do you all think is the ideal replacement? Someone who is adept both as a forward and a midfielder, great shooting and passing, delightful ball control, and etc etc. Sorry if I sound like a fanboy, but his coming in to the team coincided with my first proper tryst with this great club, and unquestionably he has been my favourite player ever since. Would really be gutted when he leaves.
Hope that someone else can step in to fill that void. Would love to hear all of your opinions.

31 Dec 2017 10:07:51
I really hope we do not sell Coutinho in this window and at least hold onto him until the summer. However I'm a realist and once we bought VVD for 75 mill then deep down i knew that could be the end of him. If he goes then it's how he is replaced that could define our season. Lemar at 90 mill is being linked who most people want and then there is also players like Pulsic who again would not be cheap. However media are reporting again today that we will move for Lanzini (cheaper option) as his replacement.

31 Dec 2017 10:09:41
Mane is already there to fill the void at left wing. as part of the central midfield group, coutinho is fully replacable. Lallana is here, as is Ox, keita is coming. I'd like to see us bring in quality depth to play in the front 3. Firmino, mane and salah are quality. if Can really goes then would love goretzka.

31 Dec 2017 10:10:39
there are good players but most of them are cup tied that's the problem.

31 Dec 2017 10:23:42
Sorry Faithinworks but there isn’t the like for like quality in the squad to replace Coutinho if he goes, none of the players you name has even close to similar skills as Coutinho. As things stand he’s probably only second to De Bruyne at Man City in terms of being a creative midfielder. We will clearly have to replace, but the answer isn’t Lanzini because he is neither consistent enough or of high enough quality. It’s either Lemar, Insigne or Malcolm (Bordeaux) as far as I’m concerned.

31 Dec 2017 10:28:58
Not keen on lemar atall. Would pursue pulisic in the summer if he'd would the potential move to us. Think he'll be light years ahead of lemar within 3 years. Not convinced by lemar atall.

31 Dec 2017 11:06:43
Agree lanzini is not good enough. Coutinho is a world class player so needs to be replaced with a world class player. Dele ali would be my first choice but that's never going to happen unfortunately. Imagine a midfield 2 of goretkza and keita then mane LW salah row and dele playing behind firmino.

Enough dreaming my second choice would be insigne off napoli. Has everything but that would be a tough deal to do also

Lemar or draxler? I'm torn between the two. Both fantastic players who will only get better. Either of those two would also be great signings.

I'm still baffled as to why we would sell coutinho in jan. I accept he wants to go which isn't a problem but why not do a deal now for the summer. We are in last 16 in the champions league and all those options I suggested are cup tied and losing coutinho is losing one of our best players for the most important trophy in club football. Do people honestly think if he stays that he wouldn't wanna win the champions league? 2nd place in the league is also up for grabs and the player we get to replace him might not hit the ground running straight away so we need to think long term. Secure champions league and hopefully trophy and sell the lil magician in the summer.

31 Dec 2017 11:29:15
Pulisic would be a fantastic signing, 2 years with and we'll be talking about coutinwho?

31 Dec 2017 11:29:38
I have said it before and will say it again Julian Brandt, he is a very good footballer already, well thought of and is only 21 years old. He was Klopps number 1 target in the summer and I believe this guy can become world class, he can operate in that deeper role that Coutinho currently occupies and can also play on the flanks in the front 3, which Coutinho is sometimes asked to do. I will make a statement similar to what Ian Wright said about Salah on MOTD last night, in that Salah reminds him of Messi, which he obviously meant is not on that level just the way he plays, close control etc. Julian Brandt has something that reminds me of Kevin De Bruyne but again obviously not at that level yet and might never reach it but all in all would be my choice.

31 Dec 2017 11:33:36
All the above players mentioned are primarily wingers IMO. We need an central attacking creative force to replace Couts and I’m not sure any of the above fit the bill. Maybe I’m wrong but I think if he could persuade Madrid to sell us one of Isco, Asensio or Kovacic, any would be a good replacement.

{Ed002's Note - There has been a discussion about Asensio with another side but he certainly won't be joining Liverpool. Real Madrid has a lengthy list of players they are willing to move on that includes the likes of Mateo Kovacic but it is Dani Ceballos who Liverpool were approached about. A loan is likely before a decision is made whether to sell or not - so that might be a reasonable place to look in the short-term at least.}

31 Dec 2017 09:12:22
Hi ed01 I think it was you who mentioned a good few years back who mentioned that mourinhos persona was completely different in private than the grump we see through the media and in particular it was mentioned how he would go out of his way to pull opposition players and give them feedback on improving there games. Just wondering if this was something he still does or has he changed over time. Seems to be very miserable at present not that am complaining mind.

{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told, he is still excellent at charity work etc but he is not the same with players. He seems to be very fed up with life in general to me.}

31 Dec 2017 09:25:05
Not trying to stick the knife in, but I said this when he lost the Chelsea job second time. He seems genuinely depressed and his mental state doesn't seem healthy at all.

31 Dec 2017 09:29:07
he needs to take a break from the game imo.

31 Dec 2017 10:17:46
Still the same guy who verbally attacked ambulance services, criticised and defamed a physio and caused a referee to resign after the abuse he meated out.
He won’t get on my Christmas card list 🤝.

{Ed025's Note - mine neither ron..despicable person..

31 Dec 2017 08:35:35
Just want to get away from the transfer saga's for a moment.

I thought the officials had a terrible day yesterday, anyone go on here?

The time wasting by Schmeichel at goal kicks was horrendous, with only 1 min added time at the end of the first half. He was repeatedly warned but still got away with it.

And did anyone see Can getting a yellow card when Maguire wouldn't let go of the ball once we'd equalised? There there some nasty challenges by the Leicester players that went un punished yet Can gets a card for trying to get the ball. Shocking

I don't usual get irate at the match but yesterday I certainly did.

31 Dec 2017 09:24:13
Drogie, there are three refs who are consistently useless and incompetent in the PL. Kevin Friend, Craig Paulson, Lee Mason and you guessed it, Neil Swarbrick who reffed our game last night. Whenever we have any of these officials, I just know we will have a crap show from either of them and yesterday, proved it for the upteenth time.

{Ed025's Note - its amazing how referees who dont bend over for liverpool supporters are suddenly poor refs, maybe if they give you a few dodgy penalties or send off the odd opponent they will be top notch..unbelievable..

31 Dec 2017 09:42:09
Leicester were just doing what they thought they had to to slow the game down and knock us out of our stride, Ed025 is probably familiar with these tactics with Big Sam in charge now 😉.

{Ed025's Note - i am very familiar with it unfortunately squizza..

31 Dec 2017 09:44:43
Ed 25 still fuming after last nights horror show. 😂.

{Ed025's Note - more disappointed than fuming eka, it seems like the light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off again mate, but what i wont be doing is blaming the ref, the weather or anyone else for our shortcomings...unlike some..

31 Dec 2017 09:47:27
Unfortunately you can't play a game of football with out a ref. For every decision they make they're pleasing one set of fans and upsetting the other. Thankless task and human error will always make it the impossible.

{Ed025's Note - you do talk a lot of sense jayden....are you sure your not a blue mate?..

31 Dec 2017 10:14:59
Ed 25 😂 No chance mate, I'd rather give up watching football all together than support Everton 😉. As part of my job I had to gain a certain number of officiating qualifications and once ref'd an adults game of football. Hand on heart it was one of the worst experiences of my life. The way I was spoken too throughout was embarrassing and I've never ref'd a football game since.

{Ed025's Note - i done a season reffing junior football many moons ago jayden, bloody nightmare mate..

31 Dec 2017 10:53:59
Thats 4 refs!

31 Dec 2017 11:35:30
Yep Irish, beat me to it!

02 Jan 2018 22:23:53
Ed25, I never asked a ref to bend over to help my team win. I want them to be fair and consistent, that's it. The refs I mentioned are NONE of these and are consistently poor whether it is when they ref our games or other games that don't involve LFC.

{Ed025's Note - however good or bad a ref is depends on decisions he gives for or against you brover thats just the way it is, i remember a certain clive thomas in a very memorable semi final gifting liverpool the game, not many reds were calling for his head then and that was to be expected, we all want better officials mate...... especially when a decision goes against us..

30 Dec 2017 22:43:52
Ed 001, I think you may be on to something with Ndidi. I think he is going to be a top player going forward.

{Ed001's Note - he is a quality ballwinner who is decent enough on the ball to be part of a much better side than Leicester.}

31 Dec 2017 04:57:23
We don’t need a ball winner! No chance after we signed Kieta now. We have enough midfielders who could win the ball!

31 Dec 2017 05:54:32
Keita is a ball carrier who’s good enough to win it too - Ndidi is something different and would play in the deeper role and would be a good fit IMO, adding a bit of defensive steel when required.

31 Dec 2017 05:54:46
Ndidi as a base with any combo of can, gini, lallana, keita, milner playing box to box wpuld be great imo. always thought that we didn't neccessarily need a cdm by title, just one of those 3 to be more natutally inclined to cover defenssive side of the game.

31 Dec 2017 07:41:21
Ball winner. Ball carrier. Ball buster. It's 2018, can't a player tackle and run with a ball?!

31 Dec 2017 08:47:59
we used to call them midfielders when i was growing up.

31 Dec 2017 09:27:35
Same for me, KK7. Don't know what all these new terminologies mean, myself.

31 Dec 2017 10:05:52
Ndidi, Keita and Coutinho would be a great middle 3.dreamland I know but I think he is just what we need.

31 Dec 2017 00:52:58
Watched todays game back after reading some posts and was surprised by karius critics didn't do much wrong in the match tbh.

Curious to get ppls views on emre can today, seemed out of place in first half and only really got going when pushed forward. Dunno if he is guilty of yaya toure syndrome but always seems slow to move about the pitch! No doubt the lad has talent but maybe doesn't suit our system hence why klopp is happy for him to move on.

On a side note robertson was very wasteful in posession. enough said about that already.

31 Dec 2017 02:13:01
Can is playing out of position.

31 Dec 2017 06:57:44
Emre seemed to lack desire. In Hendo's absence he has the chance to step up and take control of the midfield; show that he can be a leader, but maybe his heart is away from LFC.

31 Dec 2017 08:05:50
Can has no discipline, plays a pass, chargers forward without thinking if there’s any cover.

31 Dec 2017 09:01:28
Do you think Emre knows he’s on the way out and his head isn’t in it?

31 Dec 2017 09:30:38
OP, Karius, Moreno, Hendo and even Klavan and Lovren, can do absolutely nothing right in the eyes of many not just on this site BUT on other fan sites as well as people can't seem to bring themselves to say this or that player had a good game w/ o some kind of sly dig/ nitpicking to go with it.

31 Dec 2017 10:07:22
Add Mignolet to that list too.

31 Dec 2017 00:47:48
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Nike leaking that he has moved or merely a hack?

it's not just the English site. You really reckon the hackers translated that Coutinho line perfectly to all languages?

30 Dec 2017 23:43:20
Never ever ever thought I’d say this, but we miss Moreno. Robertson is simply not good enough, I thought he was the answer but I fail to see what he’s good at other than the odd good ball in to no one.

And also it’s nearly 2018, how is Milner still playing centre midfield for a top 4 aspiring team?

31 Dec 2017 00:28:20
Its a squad game jord. Guys like milner are priceless.

31 Dec 2017 00:39:40
Moreno and Henderson have long term injuries, so the squad players have a chance to step up. Its called real life so Klopp cannot just draft in Dani Alves or a powered up Pirlo. It’s not FIFA 18, get a grip.

31 Dec 2017 00:58:09
He's a young lad still learning he's doing ok.

31 Dec 2017 01:41:37
He wasted a few good opportunities in attack, yes, but I thought his cover and awareness in defence was pretty top notch IMO. He can do better but not a disaster either, give the lad time.

31 Dec 2017 01:41:46
Have we even lost with Robertson on the pitch? Leicester league cup is all I remember. How many goals have we scored since Moreno has been injured? So why exactly are we missing Moreno? Robertson shades it defensively for me. I still prefer Moreno because he has come on drastically going forward can combines well with the attackers, but it would be extreme to say he is missed right now. Conversely his consecutive defensive errors led to Sevilla getting back into the game we can forgive him for it, but it still happened. Just enjoy our good run brother, we will need both to sustain our form.

31 Dec 2017 03:36:46
Sorry but to say robertson is not very good is one thing, to say the young lad is 'simply not good enough' after a few months with us id just wrong. Liverpool has developed a culture of abusing players for the sake of it.

31 Dec 2017 08:36:29
Robertson is a steady player, who is doing his job.
I just think some fans like to target the next potential scapegoat.
The lad came from low league scottish football, having been released from Celtic as a kid. That proves he has heart and determination to succeed.
I think he will improve and is good enough to be in our squad.

31 Dec 2017 09:38:12
Spot on, AW esp. on your last statement. IMO, some players can't seem to do a darn thing right in the eyes of many as they are still being implicitly punished for whatever errors they may have committed in the past. Some don't believe a player can improve and get better. Moreno, Karius a few others are still being punished for the errors they have made in the past even tho, they have been solid since then and have improved. It's like they are deemed to be irredeemable and incapable of learning from their mistakes. If that was the case, the likes of Lallana, Hendo, Can, Moreno, (all improved under Klopp) would have been gone cos they were not good enough until Klopp arrived. This is what is killing the modern day fan today.