Liverpool Banter Archive December 31 2016

 

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31 Dec 2016 23:00:58
Great result to end 2016 and hopefully we can continue our great form into 2017.
Loving the positivity gents, Klopp is turning us all into believers:)

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01 Jan 2017 07:27:43
Sorry mate. I hit dislike in error while scrolling. I hit like aswell now.


31 Dec 2016 22:52:58
Brilliant win for us today. A really good team performance. We were compact and defensively we showed huge resilience that we haven't seen before. Finally wijnaldum is getting the praise he deserves, he had a very good game. Emre can also had a very good game and settled well into the midfield. Special mention to Klavan who I thought was brilliant, especially when he got the yellow so early on, he had to be extremely careful, showed great composure and inspired confidence across the back 4.

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{Ed025's Note - milner was class for me SIB..

31 Dec 2016 23:34:45
Ya fair point, I'm not his biggest fan but Milner also played very well. Happy new year to you mate. I'll assume your hoping for the Ev to be extremely busy in January.


01 Jan 2017 00:14:17
Thought all the back 5 had a great game. Excellent concentration and teamwork. Well done lads.


01 Jan 2017 01:54:48
Miller and Sterling.
Great contest.
Only one winner.
Well done James.


01 Jan 2017 03:55:33
Milner had him in his pocket most of the game and great credit to Klavsn and lovers how they handled aguero but mostly what about Mingus doing what he did outside the box I pissed myself laughing πŸ˜‚.


01 Jan 2017 11:11:34
I wasn't laughing, screaming from behind the sofa sums my reaction to that moment.


31 Dec 2016 22:52:13
630am kick-off here in New Zealand on Jan 1st! Pub quiz question for first goal scorer or 2017 you could offer Gini as a cheeky answer!
Happy new year eds and everyonw else :)

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{Ed025's Note - and you and your family mate..

31 Dec 2016 22:27:39
A bit early but Happy New Year to all the Eds and fellow reds.

Here's to a great 2017.

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{Ed007's Note - Happy New Year to you.}

31 Dec 2016 22:27:39
A bit early but Happy New Year to all the Eds and fellow reds.

Here's to a great 2017.

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{Ed007's Note - Happy New Year to you.}

31 Dec 2016 21:58:37
Tonight was my favourite game under klopp to date. Fantastic atmosphere, great performance for so many reasons and big lessons learnt. Happy new year all.

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31 Dec 2016 22:32:12
I didn't think the atmosphere was that good for much of the game if im honest. The fans were really only vocal in the last 20 minutes or so when Liverpool came under constant pressure. I thought the players seen the gamr out really well tho and if you look at it, even under pressure, not too many good efforts for City. A great way to finish 2016. Hope Hendo's heel injury isn't too bad, maybe a wee break for him next week.


{Ed025's Note - that can only help irish.. :)

31 Dec 2016 23:03:29
I was there tonight, and the atmosphere was electric for most of it, must be the TV audio or something.


01 Jan 2017 00:36:33
You really can't judge the atmosphere by watching something on tv, you can't have the noise of 60k fans over commentary and I guess it depends where they place the mics as to who you hear.


{Ed007's Note - Have you never watched a CL game at Celtic Park?}

31 Dec 2016 21:04:40
Happy new year eds and fellow reds.

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{Ed001's Note - HNY kk7, all the best for 2017.}

31 Dec 2016 20:50:12
James Milner got 50m richer today. If you don't believe me check his pockets.

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31 Dec 2016 21:06:33
Good one benny. Loved every minute of that.


31 Dec 2016 21:07:17
Relished the fact that Stirling didn't get a look in today. Ok, I know I shouldn't but I did ;-) 😜.


31 Dec 2016 21:14:41
Happy New Year Benny.


31 Dec 2016 21:58:27
And to you Harry my friend. I'm personally hoping for a better 2017, podcasts will start season 2 in January. And to fellow posters, let the hard times make you stronger this year. One thing that helps, if you're a die hard lfc fan is winning games, it really has a psychological effect on us and let's ride that wave boys into positive actions.
Happy new year.


31 Dec 2016 22:51:17
Great Benny. God luck with the podcast. I had a memorable one with you both.


01 Jan 2017 01:58:47
Is that 50 million in Sterling?

Cos tonight he was devalued big time.

Happy new year to all eds and reds.


31 Dec 2016 20:44:47
Well done lads. at times tonight our midfield was ragged, but they dug in, worked and battled. Klavan and Lovren were solid, clyne and Milner stayed controlled and sat back a bit to double up in defence. gini, excellent when I saw him at Newcastle 18 months ago I liked him and I still think he is a great ball mover and carrying player just hope as daft as it may sound that mane may get a rest or recharge from the afcon as he seems slightly off and that pip returning will help bobby. love bod.

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31 Dec 2016 21:09:51
Gini reminds me of a previous illustrious wearer of that shirt, and one of my favourite ever reds, Rat Kennedy. I hope he goes on to be something like as successful. Great game today.


31 Dec 2016 21:20:32
Yes, yes, yes!


31 Dec 2016 22:24:05
The best thing about the goal today is that Gini won the ball to start the counter.
Ray Kennedy style.


31 Dec 2016 22:24:05
The best thing about the goal today is that Gini won the ball to start the counter.
Ray Kennedy style.


01 Jan 2017 01:48:32
wijnaldum was excellent today. Klavan or lovren? Matip, Klavan is the way forward for me.


31 Dec 2016 20:35:04
The last game of the year possibly proved to be the one where we had to dig in and be resilient the most. I am over the moon that we put in that type of display, proving we do have the ability to grind out a 1-0 against one of the best attacks in Europe.
However, we can't afford to slip up at Sunderland. Let's get 2017 off and running in a similar way to how 2016 ended.
Happy New Year to every one of you and a special thanks to the Eds for another fantastic year on these pages.
Have a safe one guys and girls. Much love.

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31 Dec 2016 20:34:50
Neither team really played well today. The difference was we were well up for grinding out a result and City just lack that grit. Great win!

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31 Dec 2016 20:28:07
Massive massive win for the reds today. Leading by 1-0 against City and keeping the result till the end, that is a the mark of champions. Hope we get a win against Sunderland also. Today the defence was outstanding and my MOTM is shared between Milner and Klavan. Both were superb today.

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31 Dec 2016 20:23:27
Absolutely epic, this is why i love liverpool, we own drama. Sunderland will top off a great 2016 if we win. Get in.

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31 Dec 2016 21:54:51
Sunderland game is in 2017.


31 Dec 2016 20:04:17
Happy new year folks. same again on Saturday. Sunday. Monday. what the hell day is it? πŸ˜‰

Thanks Eds for all that you do

Crooky.

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{Ed001's Note - Happy New Year Crooky, have a great 2017!}

31 Dec 2016 19:58:15
Great win tonight fellas, love how we are always performing well in the big games. Klopps record against the 'top 6' is fantastic and I hope it continues throughout. Happy new years to eds and my fellow reds, wishing you all a safe and happy 2017!

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31 Dec 2016 19:54:38
Now let's believe. and let's cheer the lads loud through all remaining games.

YNWA.

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31 Dec 2016 19:49:26
meh im not even impressed anymore, I have come to expect wins under klopp lol.

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31 Dec 2016 19:42:55
Couldn't care about the performance today as 3 points are all that matters. Let's get ready for Sunderland now and hopefully narrow the gap down to 3 points. Enjoy your evening everyone.

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31 Dec 2016 19:33:18
Some very underrated players lately. Wiji, Klavan, Lovren, Milner all have been great, we show a real togetherness and im really pleased for Wiji to get the winner, fully deserved.

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31 Dec 2016 19:52:53
Lovren did not have a good game for me, still looked very shakey on the ball, some of his clearances were awful and put us back under pressure.


31 Dec 2016 19:55:18
I thought one thzing I never heard, unless I'm mistaken n, was Wiji sold the dummy first and then made 70yds to get on the end of the cross. Super Mum movement.

Also Milner needs a special mention. Not the most flair position but in my humble the best left back in the league

Loving it!


31 Dec 2016 20:21:36
Chileanred you been smoking that crack pipe again Lovern did nothing wrong all game.


31 Dec 2016 20:41:19
Proves how the game is all about opinions as I personally thought Lovren was good tonight! Aggressive and dominant in general. Great win redmen. Happy New Year all πŸ‘.


31 Dec 2016 21:31:44
No, sadly not, I just don't wear red tinted specs.


31 Dec 2016 22:35:41
Maybe you need to start wearing glasses that's the problem. Happy new year eds thanks for all your work.


{Ed025's Note - same to you cleggy, i thought lovren was poor myself but milner was exceptional for me mate..

31 Dec 2016 23:51:01
At 5 minutes in Lovren bottles a chip pass to Clyne that goes straight out of play.
At 12 minutes he's far too deep, then suddenly rund 10 yards in front of the line to a city player who's never receiving the pass, leaving a large whole.
at 16 minutes Lovren charges out to ''challenge'' for a header when city counter and doesn't get near it, leaving a huge gape that Klavan thankfully covers with. that's all in the first 15 minutes really that I bothered to re watch. Klavan deserves a lot of praise, but for me I wouldn't really heap that much on Lovren.


31 Dec 2016 19:27:58
Hardly vintage gentlemen but I'll take another 19 of those for sure. Stacking the W's.

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31 Dec 2016 19:21:02
This is what I posted back in August 2016:

"27 Aug 2016 13:06:15
I definitely see what's the Eds mean when they talk about Lallana

The amount of times he's been in a position to pass it to a teammate and he just dithers about having it nicked from him

So frustrating! "

Never been so happy to be proved wrong by how he's developed into one of our most important players :)

YNWA.

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31 Dec 2016 19:47:05
You wasn't proved wrong as such, that's exactly how he was playing back then.
I wouldn't have been sad to see him go in the summer, thankfully Klopp saw what was wrong in his game (ed001 spotted it first though to be fair) and he managed to fix it.


31 Dec 2016 19:51:03
Those passes he is afforded now never used to be one, with Balotelli, Sterling, Benteke up front.
It helps he has workhorses with him and Firmino and Mane, as well as Henderson all making room for his passes. It's more about personnel than anything else for me. Never thought he had a problem moving the ball qickly when the option was availale, the problem was the option wasn't, at times he still takes several touches, he's just coming up against 2 or 3 on ones, because his team mates are moving into space.


31 Dec 2016 18:21:20
"Just can't see what windmilljumanjibum brings to the game. "

Cough cough.

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31 Dec 2016 19:26:37
Big Al, anything to say fella?

I'm kidding. Great goal and well earned win.


31 Dec 2016 19:29:02
A cracking performance by Wijnaldum. He still occasionally loses concentration but on the whole he's become a vital cog in the wheel.


31 Dec 2016 19:29:39
Cometh the hour, cometh the man.


31 Dec 2016 16:12:22
Anyone's sportmania down and how can we fix?

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01 Jan 2017 02:09:30
The cross from Lallana was every bit as good as the header.
Best headed goal I've seen this season.
Unstoppable.


31 Dec 2016
The real time live chat page is open for today's Liverpool match at the below link for you to talk to each other during the match
Liverpool Live Chat page

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31 Dec 2016 14:26:22
Hi Eds how do you think we sort are goal keeping situation and who would you like to see as are number 1.

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{Ed002's Note - Karius is the player Klopp wanted and got. It has already been stated that Karius is first choice.}

31 Dec 2016 10:25:25
Hey eds, quick question i had, in the pre match interview with guardiola he said that liverpool invited him to watch the stoke game at anfield. Is this standard precedure to invite other managers you will be playing to watch the home games? Just found it curious was all.
Hope you all had a lovely christmas and a happy and safe new years to all.
Ynwa.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, it is standard process to facilitate such things.}

31 Dec 2016 18:35:01
Awesome thanks ed2, happy new year! :D.


31 Dec 2016 14:33:13
I can see today being a cricket score in our favour if Klopp and the lads get it right. Pep is stubborn. He will never change his ways no matter the opposition. If City come out to play against us at Anfield they will be taken apart. They struggle passing it out from the back against the worst teams in the division, and we have the most effective press in Europe.

Alternatively if our lads don't go full throttle, City have the quality to hurt us badly. If both teams play to full capacity though this will be a hammering. YNWA.

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31 Dec 2016 16:57:03
MK Pep has learned from Germany that he has to adjust his game when meeting a Klopp team.
Won't matter as we'll still win.


31 Dec 2016 14:24:43
Given the ridiculous amount of money the players are getting in China, I would advise them to make sure that it isn't fake ( (lol) . Where will this alarming trend stop?

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31 Dec 2016 15:26:05
In the short term I'm not sure we need to worry about them attracting blatantly average players on extortionate contracts. I'm personally of the opinion that China will suffer in the long term because of the type of player you can attract purely for monetary benefit.


31 Dec 2016 15:34:57
Not sure that Ronaldo is average, Fornax.


31 Dec 2016 15:48:43
Has Ronaldo signed for a Chinese team then?


01 Jan 2017 01:40:53
Fair point but it shows they have high intentions.


31 Dec 2016 14:15:45
Just seen Andy Murray and Mo Harrah have been knighted, would like to give them a huge congratulations on this. What they have both done in their sports in exceptional, particularly Murray who in a time of the best tennis players ever has reached number 1 through sheer hard work and determination as don't think he has the natural talent of the others.

Though saw dalglish on tv later and think it's a huge shame he has never been given this honour. Considered one of GBs greatest players of all time and more so has done so much for the JFT 96 campaign that think he definitely deserves it. Regardless he has all of my respect and all of liverpools.

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31 Dec 2016 15:30:16
Being a king is better than a sir.


31 Dec 2016 13:19:22
I've decided that today James Milner is my most unrecognized player of the season so far. He has taken on a position he didn't really want to play, has made it his own, not publically moan or been negative around the role.
Who are your choices for most unrecognized player and why?

Baz.

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31 Dec 2016 13:57:30
I think you are wrong, but not for bad reasons and this is not a negative response to you, I think every player has been given a lot of praise for the efforts this season. not always for the right reasons but still have been recognised.

but for me lallana is very close to playing at world class level, not saying he is just that he is performing to that level.


31 Dec 2016 14:16:40
Henderson has been awesome this year without much recognition. I think he's really grown into the captaincy, which was never going to be easy given the act he was following. Henderson makes the side tick by providing great protection for the back four on top of his excellent passing range and vision.

I also think Clyne and Milner have performed fairly well this season, I don't know if you can say Milner's performances have gone unrecognized though.


31 Dec 2016 14:26:16
Henderson for me. He is in my opinion playing better than any other midfielder in Europe. His stats more than back that up as well. In fact his stats would suggest he is the best by a distance. In reality it is probably much closer. I don't think anyone outside of Kante and Kroos can even wage an argument against Henderson though. He is literally on another level right now. Hopefully he sustains it now throughout his career.


31 Dec 2016 15:11:59
Agree with Adam here - it's got to be Hendo, simply because half of his own clubs fans don't appreciate what he does. I personally don't know a single person who rates him highly. If our own fans can't see whathe does, he's got to win.


31 Dec 2016 16:01:06
If they are unrecognised how come you are mentioning them? Bit of a paradox there! Plus a lot of us sing the praises of all those players you mention. I'm not so sure there is an unrecognised player in the team as we play very much as a cohesive unit I feel they all play their part.


31 Dec 2016 12:14:26
Hi all Ed's and Red's just want to say a very Happy New and Peaceful Year in 2017.But especially a big shout out to Ed1,Ed2,Hamilton, Ron and Sweet chin.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers Barry, HNY to you too, and all the best for 2017.}

31 Dec 2016 12:56:12
You too Barry mate πŸ˜‰ and to all the eds and Reds all the best for the Title winning 2017 πŸ†.


31 Dec 2016 12:56:41
HNY to one and all,
I see STANLEY VICTOR COLLYMORE has been spouting Donald Trump again, says LFC won't win league because of defensive frailties, UNITED will finish 4th and we'll be 5th and the best is he's tipped CITY to win it, who have a worse defence than ours. and people get paid for writing this Donald Trump.


31 Dec 2016 13:37:40
Happy and prosperous new year ahead Barry πŸ‘.


31 Dec 2016 13:59:07
Wembley

collymore is like shearer, all the talent in the world in his feet, empty in the head.


31 Dec 2016 12:12:47
Just a bit of mid season banter - who do we think has been our best player so far this season?

There's been a few real standouts. Some are the usual suspects (Coutinho and Firmino) ; some are surprises (Milner and Lallana) ; some are new signings (Matip and Mane) .

For me, I'd give it to Lallana. Just because of how much he has turned it around and done what we all asked of him - score more goals. Fair play to you Adam, keep it up in the second half of the season please.

Honestly, I could give it to any of them listed above though.

Thoughts?

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31 Dec 2016 12:55:01
Llalana for me too - he's the creative force from midfield that is keeping the front 3 linked, and his clever movement also keeps the teams shape unpredictable and difficult to defend against. He's also starting to score some really important goals.

Besides him it's a very close call between Hendo, Couts, Firmino, Mane, Matip and Milner who have all looked really strong.


31 Dec 2016 12:57:12
This season, probably Firmino but Lallana would have been a shoe-in if he hadn't had an injury which slowed his progress.


31 Dec 2016 13:13:28
Id give it to Milner personally. Playing in an unfamiliar position, he has kept Moreno out the side by pure consistency. Contributed with assists and penalties too and goes about his job with minimum fuss. Last year i was questioning why we had him in the first team, this year he's almost unreplaceable.


{Ed001's Note - Hendo for me.}

31 Dec 2016 14:22:19
Mane for me. He has had some poor matches granted, but we look like a different team when he isn't on the pitch. He's not the only reason, but in my opinion his speed and ability has taken us to a different level.
I think he compliments the rest of the squad really well.


31 Dec 2016 14:28:14
Hendo. Just posted similar above with my reasons.


31 Dec 2016 11:42:22
I think today if we are really at it proper at it hound them all over the pitch like spurs did I can only see the mighty reds winning my only real concern is the lack of pace in central defence but here's to a Liverpool victory and HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all and special thanks to the eds for another great and entertaining year
Up the pool.

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31 Dec 2016 10:49:05
Can't wait for the game today, really pumped for it! I hope the fans in the stadium are as up for it, the atmosphere needs to be at its best and we've seen in the past how important the atmosphere is to the players' performance.

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31 Dec 2016 10:38:45
Happy New Year Eds and fellow Reds!

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{Ed001's Note - HNY to you too Nicky and everyone else on here. May it be a blessed year that brings us all much happiness and joy.}

31 Dec 2016 11:14:46
Cheers to that ed. all the best to everyone for 2017. 2016 has been great to me, got married to my best friend, had an amazing honeymoon and to top it all liverpool have got their act together and are giving us something to believe in. Thanks for all the hard work guys, let's hope we finish it off in style tonight. Happy new year all.


{Ed001's Note - congratulations mate, I hope 2017 is even better for you.}

31 Dec 2016 10:21:48
Do you think any Liverpool players would currently get into the team of the year? Mane's up against KDB, Bobby's against Costa and Sanchez, Couts has Hazard, Hendon against Kante. I could go on.

I think it really shows that we're more a 'greater than the sum of our parts' team and is another great reflection on the work Klopp's done.

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31 Dec 2016 11:05:52
Fair point Pitney. Lallana? Milner? Both outstanding this season.


31 Dec 2016 10:20:21
Hi ed what are the rules re injuries for the African cup say if mane pulled a strain and was likely to miss a couple of weeks would he still have to join up.

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{Ed001's Note - they would assess his injury and make a decision.}

31 Dec 2016 10:44:02
Cheers ed here's hoping for a successful 2017.


{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed mate.}

31 Dec 2016 14:01:41
I hope he doesn't get injured, hope he wins it and comes back 100% still.


{Ed001's Note - we have Dave Galley going with him to look after him, so fingers crossed.}

31 Dec 2016 07:59:04
Happy new year to you all, thanks to the ed's for all you do. Have a great 2017.

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{Ed001's Note - Happy New Year to you too, and to all who visit the sites. Even Harry and Leek.....}

31 Dec 2016 09:58:03
Cheers ed1 mate have a good one buddy.


{Ed001's Note - cheers Lfc16.}

31 Dec 2016 10:42:03
What are your plans Ed01. Stay calm and relax back home?


{Ed001's Note - yes mate, I am up at 5:30am to edit the sites so I will probably be snoring at midnight!}

31 Dec 2016 10:54:54
Lol. What about other Ed's? All in town? Ed025 must be available though after loosing last night ha ha 😎.


{Ed001's Note - Ed025 will still be sleeping off last night.}

31 Dec 2016 13:15:16
They drew, Harry. (Wheres that facepalm emoji? )


31 Dec 2016 04:05:00
Ed001 - Is inside info for you guys harder to come by these days? Particularly at lfc?

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{Ed001's Note - it really depends on who is involved.}

31 Dec 2016 06:29:47
Sweet as ed001 :)


31 Dec 2016 01:55:39
I'm so happy we got Klopp. Rather then the blue side manger there look the same as last year . I thought top mangers make players better but now it's a modern day thing they have to buy players.

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31 Dec 2016 06:32:18
Klopp has turned rodgers ragged bunch into an efficient machine!


31 Dec 2016 00:33:47
Hi all Reds supporters.

I don't want to seem maudling at all, but my young brother died on New Years Eve 3 years ago tomorrow, and I really miss him like hell. You do get over things like this over time, but every year on New Years Eve my heart bursts for our kid.

Although I would never ever forget his passing, it is impossible to forget at such a time.

I would like to wish everyone who has lost someone at this time or any other time my best wishes and chins up.

Life does go on, no matter how hard, and we will all meet again in the future.

Happy New Year to every one on this site, and let's keep each other going.

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31 Dec 2016 06:32:00
One day at a time, mate, one day at a time.

YNWA.


31 Dec 2016 12:03:45
I couldn't agree more just take it day by day.
YNWA.


31 Dec 2016 00:57:29
Really really hope Lucas see's out the season. for me he is absolutely essential to us. plus he will surely want to be around for the impending celebrations.

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30 Dec 2016 23:19:37
Hi eds, question if I may. With Lucas seemingly poised to join Inter on loan do you know if we have interest in taking any of their players either on loan or to buy?
Some very decent players they have.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

31 Dec 2016 01:49:31
I would love Barnega who absolutely knackered us.


31 Dec 2016 08:41:45
Klopp would hate Banega's attitude.


31 Dec 2016 01:51:47
Cheers ed good to know.


31 Dec 2016 10:43:00
Brozovic or Perisic from lnter would be a great coup.


30 Dec 2016 22:30:55
Ed002

I know you hate these kind of questions but I have to ask.

IF a really good offer came in for Countino would Rodriguez be the preferred option as a replacement or would be be someone else, surely this has been looked at within the club as the kid is making headlines most of the time he plays this season especially. Absolutely love watching him play and would give my right arm and leg to have him stay are they are knack red anyway πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Would love your opinion as it's always interesting to hear your opinion on matters like these.

Also I see a few blasting Lucas recently since there was a mention of him leaving.

Are you guys for real he has been nothing only a shining example to the club and the youngsters coming up and even those watching on TV week in week out over the year. Whatever happens I wish the guy all the best in the future as he deserves all the respect imaginable for his commitment on and off the field since he arrived at Anfield.

A true star in my opinion.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has shown no interest in James R.}

30 Dec 2016 19:40:58
Ed is anyone looking at xxxxxxxxxxxx

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page - try the European pages.}

 
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