Liverpool Banter Archive August 31 2016

 

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31 Aug 2016 23:40:10
I'm really going to miss Mario 😳.

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31 Aug 2016 23:04:52
My honest takings on the transfer window.

Sure, there's a couple of players I'd rather we hadn't got. But I'm happy to see we've actually gone in the right direction with offloading some players and getting some sort of fee back, obviously leaving Balotelli and Markovic out.

I'm not particularly trusting in Klopp's eye for a player but I am trusting in his coaching ability, so it's a bit of a who knows situation for this season, but I'm going to enjoy the ride, as I know that's what it will be.

Cheers.

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01 Sep 2016 00:26:54
Mane looks class so far, wijnaldum is a strange buy, Karius will be the new number 1, as will matip with lovren, klavan as cover. Didn't see no left back happening at the start, but that aside, I don't think there's much lacking in the team in weeks to come.


01 Sep 2016 00:36:55
not buying a left back is a disaster, we will concede goal after goal, how Klopp didn't make that obvious weakness his first signing is a mystery, no chance on top four, lots of teams will hit us for 2/ 3 goals, as it is now we have let in six goals in 3 games, that tells you that we have a serious problem .


01 Sep 2016 01:48:12
Agree that LB is a position that would have liked to have seen sorted, it was one of the 2 priority positions in my opinion to sort (GK the other obvious one) . However, don't think it is a disaster or that it will result in 2/ 3 goals conceded per game, maybe with a bit of support and training Millie will prove to be an improvement on the position, too early to say, give him time to learn it better.

Own take on the window is that its been mixed, like most not understanding Wijnaldum, Mane looking good and hoping to see Grujic get a chance unlike recent years with some of our transfers. At least there was some strategy to the window after recent years of mismanagement and wasting money, a balancing of the books had to come.


01 Sep 2016 02:16:38
Grujic IMO will prove to be one of the best purchases in the league long term.


31 Aug 2016 22:45:16
slightly concerned with incoming transfers, can't believe we will be starting the season with glaring weaknesses. but klopp must have a plan. time to trust!

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{Ed002's Note - It is indeed a pity that Liverpool didn't just buy for the sake of it as you want. Spend a lot more money - doesn't matter who on - just spend.}

31 Aug 2016 23:14:07
I agree that there's no need to spend for the sake of it, but Ed you can't say that the LB position is something that didn't need to be addressed.


01 Sep 2016 00:03:37
It probably did need addressing but why buy if there isn't a suitable player available at a suitable price. Maybe we could/ should have gone higher on chilwell, only time will tell. Personally overall I'm happy with our business this window. The ins look very promising. Mane I think we can all agree has hit the ground running, the defenders look decent enough so far and fingers grujic will get the game he needs. Wijnaldum was a strange one, not one one I would have bought as I would have liked to see grujic and Stewart get the game time but he adds strength in depth i guess. We've kept hold of coutinho and firmino, not sure whether there was any interest still but there certainly was at one point.
I think we've done some very good business with our outs though. We seem to have got some great prices. Alberto, skrtel and benteke are the notable ones and we've got shot of balotelli. You could say that we that there were others that should have gone and we've farmed a load out on loan again but of those on loan it's less off the wage bill and I assume we couldn't get the fees we were after for sale so it is what it is.
Overall lads it's pretty positive, you can't build a team in one window. And no need to give me post of the night edd002 it's the thought that counts!


01 Sep 2016 02:22:16
Even 'above average' left backs come at a price are not easy to buy. £23m for Xabi bro, come on wtf that all about.


31 Aug 2016 22:42:16
slightly concerned with incoming transfers, can't believe we will be starting the season with glaring weaknesses. but klopp must have a plan. time to trust!

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have had a bunch of incoming transfers. You would be massaging the love truncheon if the all happened today rather than weeks ago. I feel very sorry for the club.}

31 Aug 2016 22:54:55
I feel sorry for his love truncheon lol.


31 Aug 2016 22:55:26
I reckon we made the best purchase of all the teams during this transfer window. Sadio Mane
When you look at some of the fees paid by other clubs for bang average players. he's got to be the best value for money signing.


31 Aug 2016 23:59:08
mane looks to be top class to be fair, but can't see much more improvement in our first 11 then that, if klopps bought the players he wanted i suppose we have to trust him.


01 Sep 2016 00:15:14
Have to agree with you toe poke, this transfer window was as strange as its been before, but hopefully we can build on what we brought it. The outgoings where superb though, I must admit.


01 Sep 2016 02:29:36
I think Kante right now looks insanely good value. If he sustains another season at the same level he played during the last he could really make the difference.

Mane has to be up there though. If he is managed right and Klopp gets him performing consistently he is a game winner too. The best thing about it is he is exactly what we need, we didn't mess about, no square pegs. does what it says on the tin.

I just hope that if Klopp really does take us to the next level he has enough draw to keep our big names after the season ends. Coutinho staying could prove a masterstroke this season.


31 Aug 2016 22:31:01
Remember Mario Balotelli played for us. What was that all about!?

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31 Aug 2016 21:56:26
Ed002 - I note your not a great fan of Klopp. Whilst I've noted some glaring flaws in the way he sets us out and have disagreed with some of his substitutions, I've held back from passing judgement due to mixed feelings. However, with the exception of Mane, this transfer window, in my opinion, has been completely shambolic. A centre half in Matip who can't head the ball, an attacking midfielder who wasn't needed after bringing in Gruic yet the left back debacle and holding midfield positions completely over looked. The insult however is Klopps declaration that one bad game doesn't make Moreno a bad player and that the left back position isn't an issue.

Jurgen:- "how many points did Moreno cost us last season ball watching and if there isn't an issue with left back, why the Chilwell pursuit? ". I'm not sure whether this is fundamentally an FSG issue in not backing the manager with Klopp having no option but to put media spin on a dire situation because of their obsession with money ball and hedging to ensure gilt edged punts, (the £7 mill econometric principle including additional decision making variables as I highlighted at the start of their tenure, 'Alberto' for example to illustrate the point) or just a defensive blind spot in Klopps football philosophy. It strikes me that if project Klopp goes wrong (and it will, we'll finish 7th-8th this season, losing to the same teams for the same reasons), FSG will find it difficult to recruit another manager if still in ownership, as who the hell would want to come and manage under such a shower for owners.

Any chance of elaborating as to why Klopp annoys you Ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with liking him or not Ozone, it is to do with honesty about where he is and where he is going. Klopp is an infectious manager that had some success a few years ago. He is not the messiah everbody thinks and has done pretty poorly in terms of results (a win percentage midway between Hodgson and Rodgers to date) and in terms of realtionships with the playing staff - a decent number pushed aside. I have no objection to him as a person - he is OK. He has flaws I have explained before and I don't see him as taking the club forward too far. The econometric is one of convenience and there is no driving force from the management. The owners have taken some advice over the summer and are probably back to considering the 2017 options as I know the guy who concluded by saying no League win this year - largely naivety on behalf of FSG. Realistically, he has done the same as Rodgers with the buys - screwed the next guy in charge. He has a penchant for opening his mouth and digging a hole. The club have had to deal with a couple of embarrassing issues related to him. There were better choices for the long term. Buy hey.

And it is good to see you back, I have been stuck with Waro as the only real fan for months now.}

31 Aug 2016 22:59:55
Thanks for the reply Ed002 - I have to say my instincts are very much akin with your summary above. It's been eating away at me feeling negative yet again about an LFC manager but the facts can't be circumnavigated. I can see this season being a complete wash out and feel that Klopps starting to believe his own hype.


{Ed002's Note - I hope not Ozone but I am fearful of a finish just outside of the European places and a League Cup final loss type finish. I am not convinced he can make significant changes involving his need to adapt but there was a while that he had the team performing very well. It is a balance that does not need issues with players so there needs work there still. Fill it full of youngsters and it will hit the buffers. We would welcome more of your input.}

31 Aug 2016 23:25:03
Cheers Ed002 - we seem to have 20 minute spells in games where we either finish teams off or we don't capitalise and then pay the price because of fundamental flaws. Ball watching full backs, no defensive cohesion, no defensive protection (neither can or hendo are holding mids), poor goalkeeper, square pegs round holes sketch that has hindered us for years. For me, the defence is worse than ever - I don't think we won a defensive set piece on Saturday, Utd will likely bag at least 3 against us solely from set pieces. I can see a few 3-4 nil thrashings from the usual bunch this season.


{Ed002's Note - A good point Ozone, and that is maybe the lesson he has to learn. Get on top and then adjust. I don't see bad players, I see players running and running who are asked to do so. Other sides don't run 12km per player per game because the players get the ball to do that. I agree that the defence has not been fixed at all. The incoming players are mid range. The left back issue was an easy fix but the club screwed around. I am far from convinvced about Clyne. There are some great forwards but Firmino could be better used. Coutinho can split a defence but is not being used that way. I am yet to get a feeling how the season will pan out but I don't see a championship. It would be useful if Waro could give his opinion on this.}

31 Aug 2016 23:27:19
Agree with Ed002 on Klopp, it's like closet atheists, you want to believe. But deep down u know . 😉.


31 Aug 2016 23:46:07
Ozone has nailed it for the above reasons I called 6th at best this season. From the opening games I've seen no progression our flaws are systemic off the field as much as on.


{Ed002's Note - There will be a balance - part of the problem is folks publishing tables before 8 or 9 games have been played.}

01 Sep 2016 00:09:06
Opinions on forums have no bearing on the the problems/ quality of Liverpool FC first team squad.


01 Sep 2016 00:11:12
Ah well welcome back Ozone. I see that your self-imposed exile from the site has certainly not changed your mood at all! I think you will find that your buddy Waro is way more positive about the season than you, but regardless, I agree with some of the points, particularly about the defending AND the defenders.

It seems to me that Klopp doesn't rate defending as an important part of the game, hence him being happy with 3 senior CBs, 1 specialist LB and RB apiece. To him, defending more than the defenders seem to be the major driving factor; and with the way he wants LFC to play, the defending starts from the front (and hence the preference for Firmino over others in certain type of games) .

Ed002 raises an excellent point about the use of Coutinho; I was rather puzzled the assists had dried up for Coutinho and I thought it was more down the player deciding he wants to shoot more often than pass (perhaps he sees himself as one to take the responsibility? ), but I think more often than not, Firmino being played up top means the chances of threading in through balls etc will be limited, as that is not Firmino's game to run in behind the defence.

As for the recruits, I think it is far to early to write off Matip and Karius, who are certainly improvements over Skrtel and Bogdan. I am circumspect as to how they adapt to the PL (and this will be key especially in the first few matches they play), but I suspect they will get the chances to show what they can offer. I think both of them are decent players, but not outstanding as many here hope. Manninger is a stop gap and is only here because of the loan-rule changes; Grujic will have to work on the defensive side of his game, but looks promising, and again is too early to judge. Mane will be fine, which leaves Wijnaldum who is indeed the odd purchase of the window, but Klopp did want Zielinski, which was again very odd, but I would say Wijnaldum is a definite improvement on Zielinski.

Overall, I think Klopp has a very clear idea on how he wants his teams to play, and I would wait a little longer to see how we play before passing opinion on Klopp.


01 Sep 2016 12:40:59
hi everybody

I would just want your view Edd1 on how u would use Firminho and Coutinho?


{Ed001's Note - I would move them both back a spot. Firmino would play behind Origi/Sturridge/Ings (depending on the game fitness etc) and Coutinho would be in midfield for me. I know people talk about Couts lacking physical presence, but I remember a number of games when he had a deeper role and he was throwing himself into tackles etc and really stood out.}

01 Sep 2016 00:48:16
Yes this is what frustrates me Ed002 the fact we're capable of getting on top but then he doesn't adjust to suit. I rate Stewart, I would like to see a midfield of Stewart in front of the defence, Gruic or Can pushing on, mane out right, Firmino left, cout in the hole with Origi up top. I recall the Bournemouth game last season at their place where he played Stewart holding. Ironically that day we dominated but the team was selected by default through injuries. On another day he may have opted for another formation and exposed us.


{Ed002's Note - I suspect there will be many others who support your position Ozone.}

01 Sep 2016 00:52:18
I have been saying this since the transfer window opened and seen our incomings, what ozone has said is not new.

I have also been consistent with seeing us no better than a top six finish but i have been shot to pieces. I guess i'm not real enough of a fan eh.


01 Sep 2016 12:45:58
Hi everyone

I just want your view on how best to use Firminho and Coutinho ED002?


{Ed002's Note - Firminho played effectively on the left of midfield or attack in Germany - there are not extra goals in him playing him centrally with Klopp is keen on. Coutinho works well as a central attacking midfield player.}

31 Aug 2016 22:38:13
Deadline day b@ll@cks on sky, Jim Shyte is embarrassing.
On another note glad to see Everton pulled out of Sissoko deal before getting embarrassed. Oh wait a minute. No they got embarrassed actually.

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31 Aug 2016 22:45:34
They have probably dodged one there mind. They were going to loan out McCarthy and bring in Sissoko for £30 million. That would have made little sense to me.


31 Aug 2016 21:57:38
I've still not given up hope of the Babel copter flying us in a new left back by the end of the window.

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31 Aug 2016 22:09:40
that would be magic, but can't see it happening, and it could end up badly for Klopp, if we don't get top four .


31 Aug 2016 22:15:20
Ha ha ha, it could end badly for Klopp. Another dreamer.


31 Aug 2016 22:23:54
Babelkloppter?


31 Aug 2016 21:44:03
Nice will go down as the only club in football history to get a player on a free transfer and still get ripped off.

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31 Aug 2016 21:49:49
Remember Joe Cole.


31 Aug 2016 21:38:44
It can be argued we needed a left back, however this has to be our best transfer window for quite some time. We have improved the team whilst also managing to offload a lot of players who were surplus and received good fees for the majority. Hopefully now we are in a position where future windows won't see 6-7 signings and we will be able to make the 1 or 2 quality signings which will improve the first 11.

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31 Aug 2016 21:57:17
Are you serious? It's a shambles.


31 Aug 2016 22:05:22
We have wasted money again on a player we didn't need in wijnaldum.

Klaven wasn't needed I'd rather we just kept toure.

All along we haven't bought a LB which was a massive problem area. Why sell smith?

It's been far from brilliant.


31 Aug 2016 22:06:37
Quiet down guys, just wait and see how the season unfolds. Although i was hoping for a LB.


31 Aug 2016 22:14:38
I think Sakho missing from your back four makes you weaker from a defensive point of view. Surprised you didn't buy a top notch keeper, CB and LB.

Not sure you needed Wijnaldum, also it seems Mane has replaced Sturridge from the team albeit not directly position wise, more replaced from starting XI. So are you stronger offensively when all your best players are fit? Not massively if at all IMO. I like Mane, but Sturridge is a top player when fit and firing.

Liverpool will concede crazy amounts of goals this season. But I expect you to score loads too. I think you could see a few 4.3 results this season.


31 Aug 2016 22:17:12
Amassing a bloated squad was a shambles; thinning it out is prudent. We have done some good business in Karius, Matip, Klavan, Grujic and Mane. I'm less sure about Wijnaldum, but hope to be proved wrong. We've bolstered the defense, which was a weak area, though Left Back obviously needs adressing still. I cannot disagree with any of the outgoings; including, if he does leave, Sakho.
Some want to paint this as an excellent window, others as a catastrophe. The truth is in-between.


01 Sep 2016 12:45:34
We need to play gruic. Sp. Don't undrstand why klopp is not playing him? Brilliant in pre season.


31 Aug 2016 21:33:38
I've lost the latest post eds? Waro?

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{Ed041's Note - it got deleted. Usual bollocks.

31 Aug 2016 21:36:16
Fair enough. just debate so not sure why but makes it a good time to call it a day. Night waro lol.


{Ed041's Note - have a good evening mate.

31 Aug 2016 21:39:10
U2 bud . Cheers.


31 Aug 2016 21:42:32
Nothing to do with me, some people just can't handle it, would love to see them face to face but there you go. They just can't converse and play nice, oh well!


31 Aug 2016 21:51:19
Such a shame the way this site has gone sometimes.

Although not massively surprising.

The bile and vitriol from some quarters of our support is unfortunately quite common.

People should remember we are all on the same boat, even if we don't agree on which direction it should take.


31 Aug 2016 21:55:58
It wasn't to do with me either waro. Think eds just got bored of it! I was enjoying our debate.


31 Aug 2016 22:16:34
it is upsetting that sometimes the site becomes tedious and even hostile I fear it drives some interesting people away for example I haven't seen sad Jordan henderson post in a few days and I normally enjoyed him poking fun at people's pessimistic views of our captain and saviour but it seems even the negativity has become too Much for him.


31 Aug 2016 22:18:48
You're right Wassa this has been coming for the last 5 - 10 years mate. No ones good enough la di da in fighting. The press write a piece on one of our players can't do this or that everyone believes it. Even Kennys been slated which is unbelievable! The fans abuse our own players constantly. And we all stand there and sing you'll never walk alone.

Sky bring up zonal marking. Spurs subs bench being better than ours. BS. And yet another onslaught of bollocks we have to put up with.

We have been divided and conquered. The saving grace though is we've got a manager now who can and I believe will bring us all back together and the sooner the better. We are all in this together.


31 Aug 2016 21:21:33
Fairly happy with our outgoings, cut down a very bloated squad with some nice deals too. Hope the transfers works out for everyone who left, my only regret is I wish we didn't sell Brad Smith, not the finished article by any means but deserved a shot at left back I think.

Hoping for a successful season ahead, thanks eds for getting through another transfer window. Well, almost lol. YNWA.

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31 Aug 2016 21:33:12
Im sure Klopp said we have a buy back on him.


31 Aug 2016 21:49:47
Yes, but it won't happen this season, and we could get caught out once again, and concede too many goals because of our weakness at both full backs . if we don't get top four, because we didn't address the most obvious weakness, then Klopp might lose a few fans .


31 Aug 2016 21:02:37
"Balotelli on a free is still paying over the odds by Nice. "

Carragher on twitter / haha.

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31 Aug 2016 21:10:28
Not sure if Carra will ever be our manager, but don't put him in charge of the negotiations, lol!


31 Aug 2016 21:17:44
Most on here thought that he was a good player Kev and was delighted when he signed.

They've obviously had a shot of that new drink blind optimism.

A shocking player and quite simple a pure bobby's helmet.

I don't wish him and luck and feel sorry for his new club and their paying fans.

Still, another club he can rinse to pay for his birds, bifters and Eastern European trackies.


31 Aug 2016 21:41:05
His signing was doomed from day one, even Brendan said there was no-one else to sign that window, that's why we bought him!

We could all see his signing was going to end badly but, Davey, I admit I had a tiny hope that he could do a Maradona and combine being a knob with being really good at footy.


31 Aug 2016 22:07:00
Not many did Kev.

Super Mario this, Super Mario that, even before he had kicked a ball for us.

What's even more shocking is that the player stated categorically that he did not want to return to our club, yet some still wish him luck.

Blind faith by many on this one.


31 Aug 2016 20:41:31
Not so Super Mario finally gone.
It was never going to work out.

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31 Aug 2016 20:47:06
Thanks Mario for all your effort! 😅.


31 Aug 2016 20:48:34
You can't blame Mario for being Mario.

We knew what we where buying.

However, anybody involved in that transfer, and I mean everybody involved in that decision, should have been let go because it was an atrocious decision on every level.


31 Aug 2016 20:52:35
Great stuff. I can't believe someone took him.


31 Aug 2016 20:57:35
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, when we signed him we all knew it was going to be a massive gamble and sadly it hasn't paid off. Hope he finally understands he needs to get his head down, but bet that don't happen!


31 Aug 2016 21:01:39
I said the same thing since day one, we knew it was a massive gamble, and we should not have gone there, I also said that Shane Long would have been a much better fit, a great lad never a problem, always gives 100 per cent, but no, some idiot just cost our club millions .


31 Aug 2016 21:10:36
Shane long would probably have scored the same amount of goals as Maril too. We'd have been better keeping the money in our pockets.


31 Aug 2016 21:14:45
Shane Long is a joke right.


31 Aug 2016 21:33:31
Long would have scored the same amount as Mario - but taken 3x times the amount of games to do it!


31 Aug 2016 21:56:29
Shane Long would still be here scoring goals, only a fool would have signed mario, and there was plenty of strikers that Rodgers could have signed, there was only one fool .


31 Aug 2016 20:41:25
What's the fascination with David Luis.

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31 Aug 2016 20:47:22
He has great hair.


31 Aug 2016 21:01:19
And he uses deodorant (unlike Ryan Shawcross) .


31 Aug 2016 20:33:32
Just reading about a protest outside Melwood tonight, wtf is wrong with these people? FSG saved us from liquidation, built a brand new state of the art stand, they have spent money and i believe this is the only transfer window they have made a profit on transfers albeit a small one. Klopp has stated he is happy with the left back situation.

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31 Aug 2016 20:36:19
pathetic really . what do these people hope to achieve.


31 Aug 2016 20:46:02
It appears to be the Fenway We Come Not to Pay group. Whoever they are.

Their main gripe appears to be playing squad not being good enough and just generally FSG being bad news. Which is assuming considering John Henry doesn't pick the players we buy. What a complete melt.

Anyone who even thinks of attending needs to have a word with themselves.


31 Aug 2016 20:50:24
danray35 and grajac or anyone forget LB situation and answer this please

if Clyne is injured for England and is out for the season who plays in his position all season. or who is your understudy right back.

Just a simple question.


31 Aug 2016 20:46:35
What small profit are you talking about? What about the 260Million spent on the new main stand that everyone is gushing about? When does this amount get factored into peoples' minds and thinking about FSG's profit/ loss at LFC?


31 Aug 2016 20:54:50
The owners saved us from the previous Americans, have ploughed millions into the squad, some may say on the wrong players but they don't choose them all they do is make the money available. They got us the manager we all craved and the small matter of stopping us going into liquidation.

Some people just complain for complainings sake!


31 Aug 2016 20:55:30
So they shouldn't have expanded Anfield?


31 Aug 2016 20:58:20
Stupid. The only fault FSG have ever made is putting money and trust into the hands of the people scouting and picking the players. Other than that they are incredible owners. New stand, money for players and obviously Jurgan Klopp. I like FSG.


31 Aug 2016 20:58:55
If Clyne gets injured, Milner right back Moreno left.


31 Aug 2016 21:05:59
Klopp is keeping Randall from going on loan so that in can be back up for Clyne. Also Clyne does not have a history of injuries. He was ever present last season.


31 Aug 2016 21:09:52
you mean the man who has never played left back in his career now goes to right back who also has never played their in his career.


31 Aug 2016 21:12:57
Clyne missed a game pre-season with a tight hamstring, but your right, he doesn't miss many games, Randall should be able to cover if needed .


31 Aug 2016 21:13:32
danray, these idiots got you a price freeze for two seasons that's if you have a season ticket.

Why they got you a price freeze? they stood up to the yanks you never had the guts too.


31 Aug 2016 21:21:47
Randall wouldn't get a game for Tranmere ye better cross everything Clyne doesn't get hurt or suspended.

Be good Hazard versus Randall wouldn't it.

OH by the way how do you know Clyne going to be an ever present this year read it in the tea leaves have we!

R. Sole.


31 Aug 2016 21:19:57
Commentators curse right there danray!


31 Aug 2016 21:22:12
I must admit I wasn't happy Flanagan was let go on loan. I think he's our best right back .


31 Aug 2016 21:26:12
danray, oh I forgot who covers for MANE when he goes the African cup of nations for 4 weeks in January.

didn't hear Klopp mentioning that when he signed for us!


31 Aug 2016 21:35:21
007. Klopp also has Trent Alexander Arnold lined up to play right back if needed. He has said so on numerous occasions. He looked pretty good in pre-season, a lot of potential.


31 Aug 2016 21:39:49
007 if you knew about the player's Liverpool were signing you would have known that. Anyway what does it matter to you what happens when he is gone in January. You have already written the season off after 3 games. In fact the way you are talking he might as well go now.


31 Aug 2016 21:46:57
You haven't answered the price freeze for two seasons send it to charity did we?

Oh by the way MANE never played against Burnley what score was it!


31 Aug 2016 22:06:15
at the end of the day, if we want top four, we need a top four team, we don't have that, too many problems, its going to take another one or two transfer windows to get us there .


31 Aug 2016 22:26:34
James Bond is known for always being able to hit the mark with the first shot. 007; your comments are so far off target, you need to change your name.


31 Aug 2016 20:28:59
Sakho to PSG makes sense to me! I'll be gutted because he showed real leadership last season and seemed to be looking top draw, but I have faith in klopp and if he wants to ship him out I'll not question it in the end of it none of us know what really goes on behind the scenes! Same goes for sturidge! Suarez made him look good.

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31 Aug 2016 20:27:52
Rest of the squad salaries are listed below and the data is taken from trusted sources like Guardian, BBC, Premierleague. com etc.

Daniel Sturridge and James Milner are the two highest paid players in Liverpool ranks with both taking home £120,000 a week salary. Captain Henderson and Coutinho who signed new financially improved deals last year earn £100,000 a week.
Liverpool Player Wages and Contracts 2016-17.

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31 Aug 2016 20:27:14
A huge thank you to all of the eds on what has to be 1 if your busiest days. great job fair play.

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{Ed041's Note - u wouldn't believe lol.

31 Aug 2016 21:15:42
Well done to all the Eds, yes a big thank you, you kept us all well informed and up to date .


31 Aug 2016 20:25:21
Balotelli deal done. Free transfer to Nice.

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31 Aug 2016 21:09:10
That's nice!


31 Aug 2016 20:25:18
Ballo free transfer.

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31 Aug 2016 20:18:50
Balotelli has signed for nice on a permanent deal, free transfer!

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31 Aug 2016 20:23:02
Best deal for both clubs, hope he fits in over there .


{Ed041's Note - a nice deal.

31 Aug 2016 20:45:03
Excellent pun there ed.


{Ed041's Note - poor at best.

31 Aug 2016 20:17:03
Just a couple of hours left until "Get Balotelli out deadline" any confirmation yet?

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31 Aug 2016 20:21:45
Signed for nice on a free transfer, perm deal no loan.


31 Aug 2016 20:15:06
Late bid for French left back who plays in sandals - Phillipe Felop

BOILED ONIONS.

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31 Aug 2016 20:24:10
Try south Korean left back WHY MEE and his brother NOT HIM!


31 Aug 2016 20:25:05
still think we will make a late bid for the Leeds left back charlie taylor, at least he is a proper left back .


31 Aug 2016 20:12:42
maybe klopp will pull a signing out of the bag and catch everyone off guard, i hope so any way i'm sure the club is looking for a left back.

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31 Aug 2016 20:20:43
give your head a shake.


31 Aug 2016 20:25:39
for sure we will bag a late one .


31 Aug 2016 20:11:34
At least Balotelli has gone, free transfer.

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31 Aug 2016 21:06:10
there is nothing free about it, but I hope it works out for him .


31 Aug 2016 20:10:57
Another window about to close. many thanks to edd1 and edd2 an all the other Edds for this site. they keep the transfer window year in year out a pleasure to follow without all the lies and crap that the press like to spout. that's what makes this site the best for me. thanks again.

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{Ed041's Note - thank you.

31 Aug 2016 20:15:46
hear hear.


31 Aug 2016 20:08:46
Just want to say thank for all Ed for taking their time reply on this site, especially ed001 and ed002 cheer!

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{Ed041's Note - top man.

31 Aug 2016 20:15:36
Seconded and thirded and much much more. Thanks, Eds - all of you.


31 Aug 2016 20:04:59
Balo allowed to leave on a free.

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31 Aug 2016 20:15:42
Worst signing ever.

I hope someone gives him a massive kick up the backside and makes him stop wasting his talent, but I doubt it.


31 Aug 2016 20:28:41
The cherry on top will be when he talks negatively to the Press about his treatment at Liverpool, and how much happier he is, now where he is. Standard operating procedure for a jerk like him. Of course, top marks go to the jerk that bought this jerk in the first place. (Sorry for the cursing but selling him off on a free is infuriating, amateurish, bad business. But i fully support the decision to get rid of) .


31 Aug 2016 20:04:28
Im very excited by Matip. Reminds me of a dominant Ferdinand years ago for Utd. I think we will do well this season fellow reds. We will be up there somewhere around 4th come May I reckon.

Just a quick one on Sakho. I like the lad, all heart, but it looks like Klopp wants steady eddies at the back. I'd love to see Gomez come through this season.

Have a good season redmen.

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31 Aug 2016 19:59:49
Hey Edds is there any news of any more transfers coming in by the end of play tonight?

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{Ed041's Note - loads.

31 Aug 2016 20:08:46
Ha ha ha, well played Ed.


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31 Aug 2016 19:51:50
for people who think we have had a bad transfer window, explain why, did we need to buy 10 players or more, or is the team there but klopp just needs to sort it out, we have matip and the new goalie, everyone wanted a new goalie and we did need a new defender, we bought mane and he is scoring and playing very well, in my eyes he could easy replace sturridge in the team, our new keeper will come in and replace mingolet, matip played once and got loads of praise, so what's the problem with this window, just because we got our players early people think we are not doing any buissness in the transfer window maybe next window klopp should leave it till the last minute then when we miss out on players the fans will be happy because we tried to buy players in the last hour,

im happy with the players we have at the club and i'm glad we have got rid of the fringe players it means the wages are down, there's still a few to leave as well.

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31 Aug 2016 20:00:59
We do need a LB though.


31 Aug 2016 19:47:38
I'm actually quite disappointed at how some of our fans have been so negative and abuse recently. I mean what's the problem?

The team and the club deserves our support. Stop being such dickheads and just moaning for the sake of moaning. It's pathetic and I don't think I've seen this page so negative like this in a while, especially since I don't understand what is actually so awful?

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31 Aug 2016 19:52:22
Great post. Swear though, my posts get taken down for excessive banter and you get away with 'penis'heads! Ed002 must hate me man : (


{Ed002's Note - I suspect they are on the "Other" page.}

31 Aug 2016 21:43:02
Was only jesting Ed002. I know you love me mate :)


{Ed002's Note - I would be happy to love you but suspect you don't have the money. All of the other Eds are a lot cheaper. Ed007 can be a lot of fun if you comb the hair on his back and feet in to alignment.}

31 Aug 2016 19:44:32
Eds can you do all of us proper Liverpool supporters a favour and not post any of these incredibly ridiculous posts, regarding getting rid of FSG because they are bad owners. And the Klopp should resign posts.

They are highly highly embarrassing.

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{Ed041's Note - sadly everyone need a voice, even if it's not what you want to hear or see. As long as it's clean it's all gravy.

31 Aug 2016 20:04:35
let them post idiotic posts it shows what type of fans they are.


31 Aug 2016 20:09:13
Try this for embarrassing Jonesred.

guardiola first 3 games in prem 3 wins.

conte first 3 games in prem 3 wins

mourinho first 3 games in prem 3 wins

klopp first 3 games win, lose draw and if you didn't know he has now been in charge for 64 competitive games as Liverpool manager.

And Sissoko just signed for everton we should of got him instead of wijnaldum, Klopp has his work cut out to finish top in the city. will he succeed only time will tell.


{Ed002's Note - Actually one way we support the site is through our online store where you can purchase effigies of Liverpool owners, management, players and prospective players. You can then make the pilgrimage to Anfield where there will be ritual burnings at half time. We are selling some very high-end voodoo dolls with a set of silver-plated pins thrown in for good measure. If you buy the doll with the humongous ass and giant nose, you know you have a Brendan Rodgers doll (we still have several boxes of them to sell) If you buy the doll with the glasses, red nose, fag in the mouth, bad breath and hugging a smooth Brazilian boy called Pipco then you have the Klipperty doll.

You also need to start one of those good old fashioned hate campaigns that Liverpool fans start against all of their past, present and potential future players. Facebook works; daubing abuse on the stadium has worked well in the past; sky writing and signs towed by light aircraft is becoming more popular.}

31 Aug 2016 20:34:13
OMG, Ed's need sainthoods putting up with this c#@p.


{Ed041's Note - ed02 has one.

31 Aug 2016 20:42:23
Ed 002, do you do a range of 'doomsayer' dolls which can be supplied with gags?


{Ed041's Note - why can't u use your own gag and doll.

31 Aug 2016 20:51:17
You're right 007, that post was embarrassing. I am looking forward to seeing us play exciting football, even if it means frustration at times with our inconsistency. We can't compete, financially, with city, United and Chelsea so we need to trust Klopp with his methods and transfer activity. Remember, this was effectively his first window to bring in his players, it will take time. I could also make mention of the fact that United, city and Chelsea haven't faced any of the 'top' teams, but forgot that United have faced Southampton, city have played West Ham and Chelsea beat Burnley😉 Come on, seriously, do we have to thrash everyone 4-0 each week and spend money we don't have for people to be happy? Support the bloody team - glad for the end of the window, so people can onlymoan about results for a few months.


31 Aug 2016 19:38:34
Ed002 - every time I almost think that you are perhaps a bit harsh on some people, I then remember the sh*t you guys have to put up with and then come across one of your hilarious responses cutting people down to size and saying it how it is - brilliant!

Thanks for entertaining us (and more importantly for continuously updating us even though people send you abuse) - genuinely have me laughing out loud sometimes - good work kind sir!

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31 Aug 2016 19:34:16
i just can't believe a pro club who needs a left back would go for so long not getting one considering how much it would improve the team,

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31 Aug 2016 20:37:45
I think it is safe to assume we missed out on our targets, and there is no one currently available that would improve us without being held to ransom.


31 Aug 2016 19:24:28
Isnt djimi traore available? Haha.

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31 Aug 2016 19:10:04
Its quite obvious now that Klopp has been told by FSG to run the club like Wenger does at Arsenal spend the least money you can, get the wage bill down just keep the club around top 6,and have a bit of a run in the cups that will keep them quiet, so they eventually walk away with as big a profit as Klopp can accrue them.

The only hope I see for LFC fans is the yanks go with their big profit which is why they bought the club in the first place and Klopp goes with them.

We then have to hope that Chinese investors are here for the fans and not to use the club like the yanks have i. e, as a " CASH COW " .

The Chinese have to invest at least a Billion in the team and the manager has to be Simeone the man who broke the stranglehold of Real Madrid and Barcelona and just taken Atletico Madrid to two European Cup Finals on a shoestring and a man who the current crop of top Premiership Managers fear the most.

While the yanks are here and Klopp then this club might as well be called Arsenal" MARK TWO " i. e. run the club on a SHOESTRING and no ambition. Just keep the fans happy with a good cup run now and then.

This club is going no where while the yanks are here.

Go now with ye big profits and clean someone else out.

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp doesn't run the club nor does he have any responsibility for any financial issues. Perhaps before posting palpable nonsense like this you might want to try and understand the absolute basics about the running of the club that you are a fan (not a supporter of). You might also take note that it is embarrassing that you think Mr Henry and the others running FSG are Yanks - so perhaps a little history and geography would not go amiss. The rest is for filing under "complete bollocks". If you cannot make it along to the protest tonight perhaps you could at least show them the Liverpool way by abusing the owners and their families on social media.}

31 Aug 2016 19:27:37
007, your post is so void of actual knowledge of the goings on at a big club and how it`s run that I don`t even know where to begin. Good thing the Ed was able to make some sense of it because all I read was blah, blah, blah, blah.


31 Aug 2016 19:31:48
ed002 we shall see whose view is correct after the last game of the season won't we? SEE YE THEN can't wait.


{Ed041's Note - here we go. You lot don't realise how lucky you are that ed02 gives you any info considering the abuse recently.

31 Aug 2016 19:42:29
this is such a sad display of faceless fact less comments that we get throughout all forms of social media, makes me feel so sad for the world today.


31 Aug 2016 19:43:05
Hamilton Red, I am not interested in how a club is run, I am only interested in where the the club finishes in the league and if you're a supporter then that should be your aim also, unless you're an accountant.


31 Aug 2016 19:43:28
007

what a dope, I've seen some bad posts on here giving the owners and manager loads but yours is nonsense, FSG and klopp have brought a smile back on my face, you bang on about simeone he only had to beat 2 teams , look at rafa he done the same by playing counter attacking, our owners have done good for our club and the area around the ground as some one who lives by the ground i can say the new stand looks so impressive and the area around it is coming along, no other owners would have done the same, and as for klopp he is the best manager in the prem you have to remember he took us to the finals last season also we never had sturridge for most of the season, why don't you wait for him to have a bad season before giving him stick as the season as only just started and your come out with this tripe, you need to learn about football before coming out with such crap.


31 Aug 2016 19:44:05
007 please go away and never come back u fool.


31 Aug 2016 19:45:02
This is hilarious. What an idiot.


31 Aug 2016 19:54:27
mbrock99 did ye have a smile on your face after sevilla, man city League Cup, and many other embarrassments oh and I forgot the mighty Burnley was ye smiling after that also.

I think your a dope if ye smile after a defeat.


{Ed041's Note - were u miserable when u beat city and Chelsea away?

31 Aug 2016 19:59:19
007

Did you use to be a united fan but then changed when ferguson retired and are now trying to find the means to justify the switch back to United because they have mourinho?

Whether that is the case or not


Shut up!


{Ed041's Note - why would he of changed to Liverpool? Isn't a glory hunter ment to hunt glory?

31 Aug 2016 20:02:10
Let it be. He's in his own little world, a world of his own making. Ignorance is bliss they say. Even if it's mindless drivel to the rest of us.


31 Aug 2016 20:03:31
007

have we ended up below burnley this season, oh i forgot its only just started, get a grip you fool at least we were in the finals, i was smiling when we beat arsenal u never mentioned that, how come you never mentioned any game we won or are you just a one sided person, come back to me at the end of the season, or when we play at home, many other clubs would have liked to be in the finals to have at least a chance of winning one, if your not in a final then you have not got a chance of winning one but maybe with the chinese owners the results would have been the same, klopp has got the team scoring and if the defence gets in order then we will win things but as a fan i will take the good with the bad, you want to try it some time being a fan.


31 Aug 2016 20:04:08
We have played 3 matches so far, there´s like 35 left, I´m quite sure that we´re not stuck in this current position for the rest of the season. Perhaps that our position is dependant on how we play for the remaining 35 matches?

3 games, come on. Klopp has been here for less than a year and has given us 2 finals, if you had a bit of patience, while not spouting all of your nonsense, then perhaps he would be able to win something?


31 Aug 2016 20:13:27
Yeah, FSG are sure able to skim loads of money of our club that was running at a loss of £1m a week for years after they bought it, has had more senior players go in and out of it that any club of comparable size and stature in the last 5 years, has consequently paid out more in agents fees than any other club in Europe and made huge losses on several players in that time, has sacked and compensated 3 managers, and is in the process of having it's stadium redeveloped.

But hey, that's all irrelevant and clearly FSG are picking the club's pocket and it's being run on a shoestring because they sold Suarez for £70m (let's ignore the fact that we still spent more than we got in transfer fees that summer), am I right?

The made two poor decisions on the management front and appointed a poor DoF. But to say they're taking money out of the club is plain out incorrect.


31 Aug 2016 20:18:11
ed041, I only deal in facts not fiction.

Rodgers win rate in prem 48%

Klopp win rate in prem 42%

Courtesy of Liverpool echo.

Oh and tit for tat Newcastle away and Watford away do you want anymore. I've got a couple of home games if ye want.


{Ed041's Note - fact is u beat the top teams last season and lost to the weak ones due to being again in transition. So your answer is to startle transition over again? Smart 👍.

31 Aug 2016 20:32:33
"The Chinese need to invest at least 1 billion into the club" "I'm not interested in how the club is run. " You sir are a tool 007. Why the eds even bother with your posts I'll never know.


31 Aug 2016 20:47:15
007: The normal procedure for someone who has dug themselves into a hole, is to stop digging. "Even a fool may be thought of as wise if he keeps silence". Do yourself a favour.


31 Aug 2016 21:40:39
How can you not care how the club is run, as surely at the end of the day, you want the club to stay solvent and be able to field a team week in week out, no matter what league it's in? We all want titles and cups, but we also want our club to be around in decades to come! As for the Chinese, no thanks, not with the issues their country has in human and animal abuse! Read up about Klopp, he makes teams, rather than buys them!


31 Aug 2016 19:04:55
Anything going to materialise with Sakho eds?

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31 Aug 2016 19:04:40
I seriously don't get the FSG hate, the have plugged the club's a million a week losses, invested in players, listened to the fans opinion on owners, expanded the stadium instead of moving to stanley park and avoided a name change. Don't get me wrong they are by no means white knights and have their faults; their initial sign young players to sell on policy was unsuccessful in terms of trophy success; their choices of Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rodgers as manager were poor ones and the latter wasted a lot of money; the have overseen a period where our relations with other clubs have deterioted rapidly, with the tough businessman approach not fit for football and the selling old Anfield seats issue was embarrassing at best. All in all FSG are by no means perfect but they are good owners trying to do what it takes to be successful. They can be accused of hiring the wrong people, naivety, lacking football knowledge and then taking bad advice and making mistakes but they can't be accused of not listening to the fans; lack of investment; not backing their managers' or not caring.

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31 Aug 2016 19:30:27
Magician, somebody always has to take the blame for our failures (owners, fans, Chelsea, climate change, my dog etc. ), to the point that people start making up funny conspiracy theories about the owners. You should read some of them. It is simply ridiculous.


31 Aug 2016 18:53:32
I've been a regular reader but don't post all that often. First of all, thank you to all the eds for their continous effort. Now I have a question with the eds or any of the posters here. Just read on facebook, people there are commenting that this is the worst transfer window ever, FSG are bad owners, Klopp must resign. We only sign poor players etc. Is it just me or are these comments just plain dumb. I've been happy with FSG as our owners, And I love Klopp as a manager. I think we've had a very good transfer window barring the signing of GW and not getting a LB. We have managed to sign Mane who's been excellent for us, Matip looks good, Karius and Grujic are highly rated. Got the new main stand built. All in all, I'm pretty happy. Is there something I'm not seeing?
Would like other peoples views on this.

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{Ed002's Note - It is the modern day fan and easy access to social media that is largely to blame. FSG have made mistakes but have kept the club buoyant but they have ammased a lot of debt - often in a quest to appease the fans. Klopp is the manager and for a while last season had the team playing well - he is generally infectious but has numerous faults and a dumb streak - but he deserves the support of the supporters and the fans. The players also deserve support whilt they are putting their all for the club. If they become difficult they need to be thanked and moved on. Keep up the high spirits Shayan.}

31 Aug 2016 19:33:47
Are FSG bad owners? No. Not at all. Have the made mistakes, yes, but well intentioned ones. Has this been the worst transfer windo ever? No, that'll be the window we brought in Konchesky and Cole under the actual crooks. Yeah, I'm not chuffed we paid all that money for Wijnaldum and yeah we probably should have bought a left back, but none of those make FSG the evil empire.


31 Aug 2016 19:36:47
Spot on, ED. Klopp is no saint and I agree he has some faults that he needs to change even tho, I`m a huge fan. And he did have us playing well (we made it to a European final, something many other clubs would kill for, especially the way we did it) tho, I must admit that he has lost his last 4 finals. That is something that needs to change and to do that, he too, has to acknowledge his mistakes that led to those losses and learn from them. No man is an island to himself hence, he is not immune to constructive criticism. let`s support him and the owners who have moved heaven and earth to get him here as they all deserves it. Also, stop with the FSG bashing as frankly, it`s getting old and stale. Keep the faith, my fellow reds!


{Ed002's Note - He needs to show an ability to change now - he has not won anything for years and should have noted that he himself needs to improve.}

31 Aug 2016 19:59:52
all of have to say is thank you ed.


31 Aug 2016 20:13:59
Speculative thinking on my part, ED002, but do you think Klopp's "resistance" to change could be from the fact that in a 14 year managing career he has only been with two teams until now? His contemporaries (Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti and others) on the other hand, have been changing teams every 3 years on average, and therefore, constantly being forced to not only learn new footballing environments but also "re-invent" themselves and their football management skills, to maintain their success levels? Just thinking out loud.


{Ed002's Note - He is not the smartest but he is smarter than that. He has self-belief (but he is a big bugger and it is easy to do). He can be particularly stupid but does have the same virtues as Rodgers of not knowing when to speak and when to listen. If you can think out loud that is really cool.}

31 Aug 2016 20:36:53
Thanks Ed. Well, yeah it took years and years to learn how to think out loud. Do I detect a hint of jealousy? (Best practice is in crowded buses and trains with everyone else thinking out loud too, trust me) .


31 Aug 2016 20:48:02
Will always keep my spirits high ed, there is nothing more we as fans can do than trust the owners, the manager and the players. Also a massive thank you to you and all the other eds for all the insights and informations and most importantly for putting up with us.


31 Aug 2016 18:44:43
Hi Eds

Just a quick question on transfers using Ilori as an example.

You mention that he may end up staying purely as we cannot find a buyer etc and it got me wondering how a club let's other clubs know about a player being available for transfer?

Is it just a case of calling every club/ agent individually and seeing if they can do something or speaking to the player's agent to get hime/ her to speak to clubs? Or is it a case of use the media to help spread the word subtley?

I'm guessing a mixture of the above, plus clubs generally approaching players they have been scouting anyway?

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{Ed002's Note - Via the agents of the player who are briefed to look for a new club and given a broad idea about expectations for a transfer or a loan. It is nothing to do with the media except when Liverpool place an advert in the small ads of the Echo: "Donkeys for sale".}

31 Aug 2016 19:40:35
ok great - thanks for the response.


31 Aug 2016 18:30:25
Welcome to Anfield Cavani.

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31 Aug 2016 18:56:28
What?


31 Aug 2016 18:58:47
Looks like sidney/ disney is back. Trying a wind up.


{Ed002's Note - I suspect Twttier this morning.}

31 Aug 2016 19:03:10
yes great signing, wonder how he will like being our new left back .


31 Aug 2016 18:22:57
I have a question for Ed002, it isn't LFC related but I thought I'd ask anyway with you being a Chelsea man!

With the news that Juan Cuadrado is moving to Juventus on a three-year loan deal, I seem to recall you saying that loans were limited to four transfer windows, or in other words, two years.

Have I got something mixed up here or is this loan deal impossible to be as long as 3 whole years?

Thanks, and keep up the top work Eds! Just a few hours of this hectic day left now!

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{Ed002's Note - It is a one year deal with an option to buy and an option to extend for two further years - not a straight three year deal. That is similar to the Christensen and Salah deals (although one was one year and one year extension - which they are trying to buy out today, and the other a one year plus option to buy plus option to extend one year deal). Salah has gone - the other won't play for Chelsea again. Juventus will look to buy Cuadrado next summer. In England it is a maximum of four windows.}

31 Aug 2016 14:36:16
Hi ED02 thank you for all your hard work. Just a quick question its clear to see that you don't think Kloop the right man for the job. with that said who would of you liked to took he's place . I would of liked Ronald Koeman just saying .

Thanks again ED02 have a great day .

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{Ed002's Note - As I have explained before Liverpool missed an opportunity with Jorge Jesus being available last summer summer. And as I explained at the time, Liverpool take advice from third party advisors and I am aware of one name being suggested to MG as an option to BR but again I explained he was never going to be a viable option - Jorge Sampaoli. I was also aware of the efforts of a "super agent" to try and foist someone else on the club, but by then Rodgers was clearly secure in his job - Julen Lopetegui. The club approached Ancelotti but he was to take a year off. Bob Bradley and Olivier Echouafni were considered. Certainly Carlo Ancelotti and Jorge Jesus would have been good options. Sampaoli would be a great option but his English would need a lot of work.}

31 Aug 2016 18:58:52
Klopp best option. End of! Let's try and support out manager for once mate.


{Ed002's Note - Klopp was not the best option and was not considered at that time. But given he is the incumbant he deserves support.}

31 Aug 2016 17:59:19
Hey Eds,

With deadline day slowly but surely nearing its end, Mamadou Sakho looks increasingly likely to be staying!

It's no secret that he and Klopp haven't seen eye to eye of late, but do you think that with him staying he will get game time or will he be left out to dry so to speak until January at least?

Thanks in advance!

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{Ed001's Note - I don't expect him to get any game time. Unless he decides to grow up and act his age. He just needs to work hard at his game.}

31 Aug 2016 18:19:13
Fair enough Ed! I am of the opinion that he is our best defender so I'm so disappointed it's ended up this way with him!


31 Aug 2016 19:09:12
looks like chelsea are going to sign David Luiz from PSG, I wonder would then Sakho then go to PSG, it makes sense .


{Ed002's Note - Not to PSG.}

31 Aug 2016 16:54:30
Are we not far far better off with sakho at LB? . if he stays like.

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31 Aug 2016 16:57:05
IMO no.


31 Aug 2016 18:06:35
No. He`s a CB like Gomez and Klavan, and should play there and nowhere else except to cover for injuries or in the very short term.


31 Aug 2016 18:45:14
He'd be no better than Milner, possibly worse as he'd be another square peg in a round hole.


31 Aug 2016 19:43:36
Exactly, magician. BR got hammered for playing square pegs in rectangular holes YET many want Klopp to do the same thing. Make up your minds.


31 Aug 2016 16:47:58
Thought Can was already injured, reading reports that he has got another injury on International duty, if so why did we not stop him from going, just like Utd have been doing for the past 20 years.

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{Ed001's Note - he was already injured, they just wanted proof of his injury so had him looked at to check it was real before sending him home.}

31 Aug 2016 17:02:38
Jesus does that really happen ed? So he wasnt injured on international duty as reported?


{Ed001's Note - no and yes it happens all the time that international teams have injuries checked out before they release them from the team.}

31 Aug 2016 17:11:51
So did can meet up with squad and then sent home? Or do they just need the relevant medical documents sent over?


{Ed001's Note - he went over for a check up, then was sent home according to the German FA. I am going to have to trust what they say in this, and assume the statement was not mistranslated or an error.}

31 Aug 2016 18:08:40
He was already injured at the Burton game hence, he was not fit for the Spurs game. It is part of the rules I think, to have an injured player evaluated before being sent home by the country. Happens all the time.


31 Aug 2016 19:14:09
Seems a bit ridiculous flying over to be sent back again.


31 Aug 2016 19:44:20
Part of the rules, men.


31 Aug 2016 16:10:23
Arbeloa to West Ham, surely he would have did a job for us at left back!

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31 Aug 2016 16:54:43
If we just wanted someone to do "a job", then Milner is doing it for us.


31 Aug 2016 18:09:48
Do a job and nothing more hence, wasn`t needed and by the way, we already have players who can "do a job" there but of course, just "doing a job" is not the solution.


31 Aug 2016 23:43:04
Nearly 34 years old! Only going to be a mentor to Sam byron!


31 Aug 2016 15:33:30
So am I right Wisdom and Alberto are the only confirmed departures so far today?

It's one thing being stuck with decent players like Sakho and Markovic but if Balotelli is not off the books by midnight it's a big cockup. Just tie a ribbon around him and say thank you!

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31 Aug 2016 15:53:38
Balo has completed his medical at Nice, and will sign for them in the next few hours .


31 Aug 2016 16:00:05
Wisdom, Balotelli and Luis Alberto will all leave today. Markovic, Sakho and Ilori however will probably stay.


31 Aug 2016 16:07:36
Can markovic play lb!


31 Aug 2016 16:11:37
I'm happy for Sakho to stay as I think he's probably our best CB. Hopefully if he does stick around he can win Klopp over and get his place back!


31 Aug 2016 16:55:53
If Sakho can't discipline himself and be professional after all this time, I suspect it won't be any different this time too.


31 Aug 2016 17:13:42
If lovren or matip injured then you only have joe and klavan as back up so surely sakho could play some part if he stays.


31 Aug 2016 18:00:47
I'm ok with Sakho and Markovic staying. I wouldn't mind Markovic being given a chance in cup games to see how he does on the wing, so Long as doesn't prevent Ojo from getting his fair share of opportunities. Also happy if Sakho stays because a couple of injuries at CB and we'll be Glad to have him around.


31 Aug 2016 18:10:54
Sahko has to sort his head out first, if not, he will be with the U23`s till season`s end.


31 Aug 2016 18:42:28
Markovic going to play in Portugal, just heard,


31 Aug 2016 19:23:45
Good for him, if it`s true. he needs to be playing because he won`t get a game here.


31 Aug 2016 15:18:28
Here's a fun question: Our best 2 teams of the premier league era is clearly rafa benitez's 08/ 09 and Brendan Rodgers 13/ 14

My question is, if they were to play each other (obviously in their primes), who would win?

Completely different styles. I think it could go either way. Brendan's team could smash them from the off and go 3-0 up by halftime but we all know what rafa can do then ;)

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31 Aug 2016 15:31:57
Rafa had defenders and a keeper, Rodgers as Suarez.

I think Rafa's team would win because Carra and Sami would keep Suarez quiet whilst Torres would run riot against Migs and Skrtel 😄.


31 Aug 2016 15:41:59
Rafa's side, as we saw with the still very sore fatal Chelsea match, Rodgers' side had no answer if a team set out to defend well, plus with a prime Gerrard and Torres, our 2013 defence would stand no chance, I'm sure the SAS would get at least 1 goal though due to how prolific they were, Suarez scoring it assisted by Sturridge, Gerrard scoring 1 and Torres scoring 2 for Rafa's side, Carra will also make a goaline clearance from a Suarez shot who bites sustitute Aly Cissoko in frustration.


31 Aug 2016 15:51:52
3-0 to rafa.


31 Aug 2016 16:06:27
Rafa had the best team Reins Carraghter Agger Alonso Jm Gerrard Torres . BR migs skutel sakho Gerrard sterling Suarez Sturridge . Hands down Rafa.


31 Aug 2016 16:13:57
Rafa's team all day long. Far superior in midfield and better balanced.


31 Aug 2016 16:25:04
No comparison whatsoever. The 08/ 09 team was more complete and more cohesive. Better players in most positions. Despite Suarez and his molars, the 13/ 14 team wouldn't get past midfield with Alonso and Mascherano blocking everything.


31 Aug 2016 16:37:58
Mix Rafas defence and midfield with BRs attack then that would be a side
Reina
Arbeloa, carra, hyypia, auerlio
Mascherano, alonso
Gerrard
Suarez, Sturridge, coutinho.


31 Aug 2016 17:12:45
Rafa is a better tactician and had the better team, 3-1 to Rafa imo.


31 Aug 2016 18:04:36
Sparra, Suarez was bought to play its Torres. Now THAT would've been a front line.


31 Aug 2016 18:36:23
Rafa's team.


31 Aug 2016 18:39:33
*with, not its. Suarez was bought to play WITH Torres.


31 Aug 2016 21:31:09
Wouldn't it just Zeddicus, who would you drop Sturridge or coutinho to fit, I would drop studge as coutinho would give us better balance.


31 Aug 2016 14:58:57
Are Liverpool considering implementing a DoF? Especially as Klopp worked under Zorc I think at BvB? I think it would benefit as Mike Gordon isn't very good at the footballing side of things nors Ayre.

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31 Aug 2016 16:27:39
We're not back to this again are we?


31 Aug 2016 18:12:11
the DOF issue is old news and the club have learnt from the Commoli disaster. Move on, please.


31 Aug 2016 14:44:20
Apparently there's a FSG protest at melwood tonight.

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{Ed002's Note - Get down there and burn them out.}

31 Aug 2016 14:53:10
Really? Why? Are they guilty of not putting any money in to rescue the club from liquidation, not funding any players and not arranging the ground improvements?

There are some stupid fans in the world.


31 Aug 2016 14:55:30
That reply cracked me up!


31 Aug 2016 15:03:09
*Morons act stupidly outside Melwood.


31 Aug 2016 15:03:59
What are FSG protesting about?


31 Aug 2016 15:06:19
Don't see how there can be a protest against the owners.

They bailed us out and have put plenty of cash put up for transfers over the years.

The simple fact is the money has been wasted year after year.


31 Aug 2016 15:10:01
That's disappointing to hear.


31 Aug 2016 15:10:12
What are they protesting? It makes no sense.


31 Aug 2016 15:21:30
FSG protestesting against ungrateful fans!


31 Aug 2016 15:27:48
Not sure why my post didn't make it through. this makes me so angry though.


31 Aug 2016 15:34:22
and what would this protest be about. after they just finished upgrading the stadium?


31 Aug 2016 15:48:44
Price of donuts has risen too high after our deal with dunkin.


31 Aug 2016 15:48:44
Joke mate. these ain't fans. . they are not even worth talking about. WOB jobs. waste of breath.


31 Aug 2016 15:58:32
There really are some gullible people around, settle down it's a wind up! Although it did flush out some lemmings peddling F$G propaganda. Quick boys and girls look outside the window there's some flying 🐷.


31 Aug 2016 16:06:16
Which bit of FSG basically saving the club, lavishing pots of money on players and building a new stand is actually propaganda Waro?

My only disappointment with FSG is that the approach to buying players seems a little bit bonkers, they need to do something about the advice the receive on that issue but other than that I think they're doing OK.


31 Aug 2016 16:09:59
I knew you wouldn't be to far away waro. sad really that people want to wind people up. What it flushed out is people who respect what fsg have done for the club which u do not seem to have a clue about and most of all you have zero respect. I am sure this won't get posted as you seem to escape critism for some reason.


31 Aug 2016 16:36:26
Thank u eds. Appreciated.


31 Aug 2016 16:56:09
Lfcdiamond, in what way do I escape criticism? I'm calling you all out on your F$G BS, there you go feel free to criticise. F$G have set this club back years, to the point were we are now considered a top 6 team or worse, (hopefully this is slowly going to change under klopp) terrible appointments terrible transfer policy terrible funding of player recruitment, the only things they've done correctly is appoint klopp and improve revenue streams through sponsorship, but we don't see the money with regard to the latter!

They've been here nearly 6 years and the club (on the pitch) have gone backwards FACT, but you all feel free to believe the propaganda and then regurgitate it for them, myself I'd rather see what's going on with my own eyes and form my own opinion rather than just listen to the rhetoric of others with ulterior motives.


31 Aug 2016 17:08:18
Come on waro. where ru now? Plant your little seed and then go silent. What is your objective with all this hate and propaganda about fsg? I'm really intrigued to know.


31 Aug 2016 17:13:50
Which bit of rescued from near bankruptcy do you not understand? You do realise that we'd have ended up like Portsmouth or Leeds if FSG hadn't stepped up. No club owner is perfect and these guys aren't but please get real.


31 Aug 2016 17:44:02
Johnnyr1970, that is a lie that people like you continue to peddle, there were plenty of other people wanting to invest, F$g bought us on the cheap and when they sell will walk away with a fantastic profit and people like you will thank them as there sipping cocktails on a yacht somewhere in the Caribbean high fiving each other. Your in a long line of gullible fools so at least your not alone.


31 Aug 2016 17:47:03
Well that post made you look really stupid Lfcdiamond didn't it😉

Take your pick to which one I'm referring to.


31 Aug 2016 17:49:22
Oh waro. u will never be happy whoever we have as owners will you? Let me guess you want the fans to own the club? So. tell me what your vision is? Let's hear it shall we. I'm waiting. I think you are very wrong about this but I'm all for hearing the reasons behind your hate, so the stage is yours. I'm waiting.


31 Aug 2016 18:04:34
I have to say I don't recall there being a long list of potential buyers at the time we almost went out if business. But perhaps I've been brainwashed by something in the pies I eat at the match. Oh well.


31 Aug 2016 14:51:54
lol. Bit extreme ed.


31 Aug 2016 15:15:28
Are u kidding me?! A protest about what? These are the sort of fans who are a disgrace. There is nothing to protest about. They are bloody good owners. People have real short memories and this makes me sick. Joke fans. actually I won't call them fans I'll call them scum.


31 Aug 2016 15:24:16
Ed02 any thoughts on why people are unhappy with FSG

they have steadied the ship after last owners, they can't be accused of not spending money, just completed a part of the stadium redevelopment. I saw Mcallister doing a walk round of it on a little clip it looked wicked

I read an article on just how bad things got under the last owners, so surely wanting the new ones out is crazy

Just interested on your opinion and what others think.


{Ed002's Note - It is the fans Red-Mist. Liverpool sold their marquee signing from last summer and have not replaced him with a marquee signing.}

31 Aug 2016 18:24:26
I do respect the money FSG have spent but some of you are so blind. FSG are great at advertising what good they have done but don't tell everyone how they purchased LFC almost illegally. Which of their promises have materialised? New stadium becomes new stand (partly fans objecting), structured club? Club with no structure and cannot purchase players unless they're paying way over the odds for players we don't need and never learn their lesson. Team us still unbalanced. Where is top four, where are the quality players? We've got none. All the same issues are still there to see on the pitch. The.


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool was not purchased illegally.}

31 Aug 2016 18:28:18
Yeah I feel really stupid waro. Now be a gent and post a reply so everyone can see the reasons for your hate. Maybe u should stop going to the games or posting on this site as a protest. You are living in the dark ages still. The club don't want or need people like you supporting them and I say support very loosely. I'm waiting for your reply.


31 Aug 2016 19:31:20
Lfcdiamond there are many long and exhaustive posts I've put up in the past about my opinions of our owners so fell free to look for them because I'm not doing it again because believe it or not your not the first high and mighty poster to ask this question, tell you what, why don't you tell me what there successes are and what in essence makes them such fantastic owners!

You do realise that the thing your posting on and getting so irate about isn't actually happening don't you? Nobody is protesting tonight!

But I am interested in your scum comments though, did you think we were scum when we protested against hicks and Gillette? I'll bet you did but changed your tune when you found out what they were doing!

I take it you thought we were scum when we protested ticket price rises? but (and this is the crucial part) you hide behind your computer screen, why didn't you come to the game and tell us we were scum and not real Liverpool supporters? You seem really really upset by this so why didn't you pop along to the game and show us what true fans are? I no the answer so that question is rhetorical really. There's an expression "all talk and no balls", fits you well kid😉.


31 Aug 2016 19:52:16
Waro. I am talking solely about you and not the protest. A lot of people on here are sick of your negative views and are most likely wishing you didn't bother posting on here any more.

I go to games don't you worry about that son. I go to most games in fact and you are confusing protesting about things that warrant a protest with pure drivel which you spout about fsg. Your views are based on small minded biased rubbish.

So do us a favour and take a break from posting here because it's boring everyone to death. unless u are going to post something intelligent.

I think you are the one sat behind your computer screen spouting bs and thinking your brave. I never called you scum I called people who want to protest against fsg scum. that's what they are. not wanted at the club and if the hat fits then you can wear it son.


31 Aug 2016 20:01:36
Last post on this. Waro is the kind of fan that Ed002 often rants about - small-minded and petty with a sense of entitlement about the club's divine right to win things. No, these owners don't get everything right - none do, just ask Arsenal or Man Utd fans - but would you rather we'd been bought by DIC who also almost went bust and are based in a country were human rights aren't much of a consideration? Or I suppose you'd welcome Chinese ownership? Another country with dubious ethics. You stick with your potest fella, you and your 20 angry pals. Let the rest of us try and enjoy the coming season without your whining.


31 Aug 2016 20:08:19
Well said johnny1970. Good to hear someone else voicing the same opinion as me and quite a few others. So. waro do us a favour and stay away from this site because you and your views are not wanted here. bye bye son.


31 Aug 2016 14:11:20
Reading Markovic will probably stay for now. Is that so Eds? I know there are some pretty cheap flights from Belgrade to Milan.

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{Ed002's Note - Asking price is too high - a loan might be possible. Another complete cock up.}

31 Aug 2016 16:02:42
It will be an exciting U23 side this season Ed002; Markovic, Ilori, Sakho!


{Ed002's Note - It will indeed.}

31 Aug 2016 19:18:20
I don`t know why we want top money for players every man and his dog knows we want rid of? It is pointless. it`s like selling an over-used card for the price of a new one. Just awful business management.


31 Aug 2016 13:48:06
Ed 002. You mentioned in your reply you to my statement that LFC not addressing its left back and defensive midfielder positions cannot be compared with Chelsea's success in the transfer market. I agree with you but LFC's success or otherwise this season will surely be gauged by its position in the league and let's face it, it beggars belief that a club like LFC can't address something as basic as this. My question to you is whether the failure to address two key positions is a tactical decision by Klopp who I agree hasn't impressed or is it because there are no funds available? Thank Ed002. Brillant insight as usual.

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp is primarily responsible for decisions over the players with advice coming from others. He tried to get Chilwell and looked at Amarvi so there was some iinterest - but neither of these would necessarily have been first picks for the first team. In defensive midfield he knows he can use Grujic and others looked at were kids for the future such as Regan Charles-Cook who can also play in defence, but were never going to be first team players this season. He has Lucas and others so it is not something that he is concerned about.}

31 Aug 2016 14:19:19
We have a defensive midfielder in Lucas and it's very clear klopp will not be playing with one so I don't see how this ' beggars belief' that we haven't bought one.


31 Aug 2016 15:06:05
Too many people equate transfer market activity with success. The most important thing is to back the manager's decisions and stop whinging because it doesn't fit your perception of ideal. 😎.


31 Aug 2016 16:16:21
Have to say that your knowledge of the youngsters is pretty impressive Ed.


{Ed002's Note - These are the players Liverpool scouts identified and Klopp (and/or his staff) agreed they were worth a shot. None of it came off.}

31 Aug 2016 13:11:23
Hi ed's and reds

Just wonder if anyone has seen the pic of Erik Lamela eye gouging Lovren. I know a pic captures one moment and not the full story. Looks bad though. Thought the press would say something, only seen stuff in regards to Agueros elbow

At least it's a different question away from LB ed's haha.

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{Ed001's Note - not seen it sorry.}

31 Aug 2016 13:49:30
Red-Mist

I saw those photos of Lamela's gouging on Lovren. They look shocking. How the FA can look at the Aguero incident and not Lamela's is hard to comprehend!


31 Aug 2016 14:10:03
Yeah I agree it really didn't look good. None of us spotted it during the game. Guess Lovren didn't make much of a fuss about it. Really thought the FA would of looked into it.


31 Aug 2016 14:11:06
I believe that any Liverpool incident through the FAs eyes, also Sly sports, also that ex ref Dermot, hardly ever works out in our favour, some might not agree with that, but I have been following football for over 50 years, mainly Liverpool, where I was born, but I am also a big football fan, and watch lots of footy in other countries too . so I think I can were there are some teams that are hit more than others, and some teams who seem to get away with a lot .


31 Aug 2016 14:47:04
The only pics i could find made it look like he was honking Lovrens nose.


31 Aug 2016 16:21:31
Unrelated, but I was in a pub in Oxford and saw Dermot Gallagher blind drunk and having to be carried out of the pub after being sick and asking the barmaid about her unfeasibly large breasts. True story. He was with Graham Poll and one of the senior management staff from Christchurch college. I asked Grahan if he could repeat his three card trick from the World Cup to which he jokingly told me to eff off and showed a red card! So if Dermot Gallaghers judgment is clouded it could just be down to ten pints.


31 Aug 2016 12:58:27
Jerome Sinclair has been made available for loan. That went well.

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31 Aug 2016 13:48:01
We could get him in on loan 😎.


31 Aug 2016 13:51:13
As the saying goes - "be careful what you ask for, because sometimes you'll get it".


31 Aug 2016 14:13:05
Ha Jurgen, the grass is not always greener, if only he had put his heart into our club .


31 Aug 2016 12:51:08
Can I ask what is the thinking behind Sinclair moving to Watford only to go on loan to championship. He could have done that whilst remaining an LFC player. Seems odd for him personally, unless he has issue with the club or vice versa.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool didn't want to keep him and he certainly didn't want to stay. He needs game time which Watford have discovered.}

31 Aug 2016 13:18:32
He may be hunting money. I believe I'm right in saying that a player receives 5% of the transfer fee unless they hand in a transfer request, which would usually waive their claim to that fee.

5% of £4m is a pretty significant £200k. Literally just for moving.

This is all purely speculative though as I'm not certain the player gets 5%, and even if they do there is nothing to suggest that is the primary reason Sinclair left the club.


{Ed002's Note - He left the club for the reasons I gave - nothing to do with money. He wanted to play.}

31 Aug 2016 13:45:15
He could have stayed and went on loan. Watford discovered he needed games? . Everyone knew he needed games.


{Ed001's Note - the club wanted rid, he wanted to go. I fail to see what is so difficult to grasp about this?}

31 Aug 2016 14:08:04
You mean the club wanted rid after he rejected the new contract offer? Because if he had accepted that he could have just got on with his development and gone on loan sooner. Instead, he's set his own development back and will end up going on loan anyway. Compare him to Brannagan and many of his young teammates and it's hard to not get the whiff of a big-time Charlie off the lad.


{Ed002's Note - It wasn't just the contract.}

31 Aug 2016 15:41:53
He's a quality footballer.


31 Aug 2016 12:41:23
Ed002,

I was reading down the page how you said the club is a bit of a joke in terms of conduct. Transfer wise we seem unprofessional and ignorant. The problems with the decision making and running of our club seem so obvious and there are surely a number of people at fault.

My question is do Liverpool know that they are seen as a joke by other clubs and are they continuing to try and fix their problems? I know there were some changes recently but we seem to have the same issues.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are well aware that they have lost the respect of the "elite" sides, that they have upset a number of sides due to their tapping up of players and they know that clubs are generally not interested in their players at the prices being asked - hence many of the transfers as the chaos continues.}

31 Aug 2016 13:16:32
Instead of constantly finding excuses for our failings as well as blaming others for them, maybe the club and us fans start conducting ourselves in a better manner, hopefully then we will be able to move forward.


31 Aug 2016 13:19:40
If we've sunk that low the only way is up.


31 Aug 2016 14:09:12
Gutted we seemingly didn't show any interest in Steve Walsh. seems bizarre when Ian Ayre is off.


{Ed002's Note - Ridiculous - IA is the CEO; SW has zero experience of suc h a position.}

31 Aug 2016 15:08:10
😂😂 I sympathise with Ed002.


31 Aug 2016 16:18:27
ahha. fair play, ed, I've got that dead wrong.
still think we need a proper (quality) DOF to guide recruitment, though.


31 Aug 2016 16:20:34
Does a DOF have nothing to do with completing transfers, Ed?


{Ed002's Note - It depends what he or she is tasked with doing. In many cases they are part of the process of considering players but tend not to be involved in negotiations.}

31 Aug 2016 12:16:44
In work, someone has just shown me a Sky Sports article saying we have agreed a fee for Cavani. Can't find it on any media outlets myself, anyone heard anything?

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31 Aug 2016 12:48:13
Wow.


31 Aug 2016 12:53:15
Just watched sky news and nothing of it. He's pulling your leg.


31 Aug 2016 13:20:33
There is a BBC article about it.
Says we are pushing a deal before the window shuts.

Is cavani really needed?
Certsinly not more than a LB surely.


31 Aug 2016 13:58:10
It's a social media joke. Apparently you click on a link and it shows Stevie slipping when we lost 2-0 to Chelsea.


31 Aug 2016 14:05:04
Can he play as an attacking midfielder?


31 Aug 2016 11:32:15
Heard for a friend who's got stuff right bout other clubs that Balotelli is off to Nice. any truth in it Ed's?

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{Ed002's Note - If Liverpool stop acting the ass.}

31 Aug 2016 12:51:23
Yep Ed, you'd think by the way we're acting the club want to keep him!


{Ed002's Note - Maybe they will get that chance.}

31 Aug 2016 13:49:41
No chance of a move then 😄.


31 Aug 2016 10:22:17
Hi Eds,

Was just looking at a few posts that ED2 was commenting on how badly we conduct ourselves with transfers and treatment of players etc.

With Ian Ayre leaving (I am not solely blaming him), who do you think would be a good replacement to start to get back some of the respect and good practices required? Somebody who would be well respected both within the club and outside.

I only ask this because if this doesn't change I presume that this could haev a damaging effect on our long term future success?

Would any of the Eds be up for it?

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{Ed002's Note - It will not be a one-for-one replacement - it will be tied in with other changes.}

31 Aug 2016 11:08:11
Ed, if say Everbright did takeover and then look to change the way we operate and treat other clubs when we negotiate etc. How long would it take to change the views and reputation of LFC.

Assume they do things the correct way and instantly. Are clubs, chairmen, owners etc quite easily forgiving? Would they just get a clean slate and any previous distaste just be classed as the previous regime? Or would you expect it to take years to rebuild a good name?


{Ed002's Note - I cannot sensibly be expected to answer questions like that.}

31 Aug 2016 10:30:04
Can't wait for the window to shut. Why do clubs wait until the last minutes to get deals done? It's a media circus act on sly with the countdown and all that crap. For me the window should be shut once the season kicks off. On top of this it's bloody internationals which I couldn't give a toss about. Fingers crossed that there's no injuries. Roll on the Leicester game. Can't wait to see the new stand in full flow.

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31 Aug 2016 11:58:44
I do come on Wales!


31 Aug 2016 13:33:55
Never really understood the point of having an international break just 3 games into the season, its disjointed for international teams with players involved in potential moves and do not see any benefit to clubs either. It looks like an inconvenience not really necessary all round, surely it would make more sense to move the international break back a few weeks.


31 Aug 2016 10:28:45
Hi Eds and reds. Was just wondering the thoughts of all with regards to transfers. This was supposed to be the biggest transfer funded season. With all the tv deal money etc. Now with the window about to close. I am wondering why LFC have managed to buy in just over £61M of players but sold £73M. We all know we have been crying out for particular positional players. We have got rid of some big earners too like Kolo. I know there have been agent fees. But all our spending should be at least break even. Or is it the fact we can not find the right players to fit those position. Any thoughts?

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{Ed001's Note - the money is not in the bank waiting to be spent, large sums have gone on the stadium plus there is a huge debt owed to FSG. Also it is not as simple to sign the players you want.}

31 Aug 2016 12:52:08
We haven't broken even in years, would it be such a bad thing if it happened just once! There are still plenty of players we need off the books. Our one failing is a left back, aside from that the movements have been good.


31 Aug 2016 10:03:55
Morning Ed2, a technical question if you have a moment. Transfer fees often seem to be an 'abstract' quantity, often they're undisclosed or the price is different depending on the source you read. Meanwhile there are a number of websites that track transfers and state the fees paid. What I'm wondering is if these websites are basing their figures on something official (registration documents or annual accounts for example) or if they are best guesses based on media reports and club statements?

As context I remember it was claimed that Sakho cost us £18m but I've seen a website that states the fee was £16.15m and I was wondering about the discrepancy and whether either amount can be considered accurate? I know it's not important, I'm just curious.

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{Ed002's Note - Transfer fees are never not disclosed - they, with all associated costs, are submitted to UEFA who maintain the Transfer Matching System (TMS) which is used throughout the world to record the data (ITMS internationally and DTMS domestically (which feeds in to the ITMS). The disparity in price you note will come from different exchange rates as the sale was not in GB£ but in euros. The correct amounts, terms and other costs are contained in the ITMS. Any "websites" will only be correct if the use the TMS data in the correct currency.}

31 Aug 2016 10:46:17
Thanks Ed2, that's really interesting.


31 Aug 2016 10:46:37
Ok you're just showing off now Ed 😂👍🏻.


31 Aug 2016 13:51:42
Does the IMTS have a publically accessible website?


{Ed002's Note - Not for the public.}

31 Aug 2016 07:22:30
For ed 001,in regard to the full back situation, what are your thoughts on Clyne and milner swapping sides, it would allow milner to adapt more easily and provide a threat going forward, Clyne played a game or two there last season and while that would handicap him, he isn't much of a threat going forward anyway, regards and keep up the great work all eds.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, Clyne was hit and miss at left back. It would still leave us with the same lack of a left footed left back issue, so why not just stick with it and try and develop Milner?}

31 Aug 2016 08:09:33
On the topic of left backs. I remember reading that Crazy Horse used to occasionally fill in at left back for Liverpool.
And Alf Ramsey gave him his debut for England at left back, in a friendly against Netherlands.
Not comparing James Milner with Emelyn Hughes at all. but both very versatile players.
I often wonder if players from another era, would have had the same impact in the Premier League.


31 Aug 2016 09:50:29
I guess the positives about Milner being played there are that he will work his socks off and he will apply himself, he has better positional sense than Moreno and will try and learn his trade. Not ideal, but it is what it is.


31 Aug 2016 03:45:00
the beauty of working nights is checking this site before bedtime, and seeing what has been discussed, I see ed002 has got it in the neck because Chelsea are signing a left back! as we come to the end of a transfer window I thought I would list the Liverpool players who imo have no future with us, in no particular order, fulton, ward, wisdom, Moreno, Flanagan, markovic, sakho, ings, randall, lucas, allan{ will he ever get a work permit? } brannagan, chrivella, will ryan kent get a chance to play for us or will he be sold like canos? especially as klopp is interested in sigining the young lad from Dortmund, speaking of highly rated youngsters, I would love to see ben woodburn get a place in the 1st team squad, that boy is seriously talented, hope to see ojo back soon as well, i'm sure I have missed some players out, think carefully before you dismiss my list out of hand, especially as our loans in recent times basically mean you are free to leave, like ed001 I am not a fan of the loan system, as it gets abused to much for my liking.

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31 Aug 2016 05:09:40
I could see a scenario where Ward stays and Mignolet goes. Other than that I suspect you're probably not far off.


31 Aug 2016 08:36:47
Agree with RDL. Ward will return and replace mignolet in the squad.


31 Aug 2016 09:32:31
I disagree on ward, his days were numbered once we signed karius, after he has spent a full season on loan at Huddersfield being part of the 1st team, why would he want to come back to play 2nd fiddle, also karius is a young man himself its not like he is a veteran, its a nice idea in theory to have 2 young highly rated goalkeepers going head to head, in reality I doubt that will happen, most clubs have a number 1 and a number 2 who knows he unlikely to see much action, I don't see danny ward being happy with that situation, especially if karius turns out to be as good as we have been led to believe he is, he will be the undisputed number 1 for years to come.


31 Aug 2016 09:32:31
I disagree on ward, his days were numbered once we signed karius, after he has spent a full season on loan at Huddersfield being part of the 1st team, why would he want to come back to play 2nd fiddle, also karius is a young man himself its not like he is a veteran, its a nice idea in theory to have 2 young highly rated goalkeepers going head to head, in reality I doubt that will happen, most clubs have a number 1 and a number 2 who knows he unlikely to see much action, I don't see danny ward being happy with that situation, especially if karius turns out to be as good as we have been led to believe he is, he will be the undisputed number 1 for years to come.


30 Aug 2016 23:55:15
Milner will do a lot better then Moreno, which is exactly what we all wanted. Judge after many games played before disregarding and slating.

Maybe Moreno not being the first choice LB will spur on a change in his game, an improvement. Unlikely but while he is a red let's give him and Milner full support.

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31 Aug 2016 04:35:09
Milner is a hard worker and a good professional so he, unlike many, will take any position given and try to do well. The problem is he is simply not a full-back and that he will make mistakes because of this. It's not about his quality as a player, it's about the fact that he is playing out of position. No other club with top 4 aspirations would play a midfielder as a full-back instead of buying a replacement for a player clearly not up to task. It is a strange way to conduct business and a strange way to run the club and, except for Klopp saying he's fine with the situation, I can see no reason why the club have not addressed a situation that was apparent before this transfer window even opened. It is rank incompetence plain and simple and I think it will affect our results this season.


{Ed001's Note - you say that, but Bayern needed a defensive midfielder so they moved Lahm there. It does happen. It is just that we could have bought one and didn't that is the issue.}

31 Aug 2016 05:17:54
That's true what you say about Bayern Ed but, in my opinion, a little different for a number of reasons:

- Lahm is a world-class player making the transition less severe - a change in position, for a less talented player, would have been more damaging/ less successful.

- Bayern are a team with much more quality meaning, even if Lahm was not a perfect choice, he could still play in that position without too much detriment to the team - therefore such a change does not have the same sort of impact. Our defence is weak anyway and, incorporating a player completely out of position to band-aid it weakens it more in my view - changing Lahm to defensive midfield didn't really weaken Bayern (though personally I always preferred him as a full-back) .

- Finally, I think (and you may disagree here Ed! ) that the transition from full-back to defensive midfield is an easier one than from central midfield/ right midfield to left-back. The difference is made even more stark by Milner being pretty one footed and, when getting forward, having to cut back onto his stronger foot.

I'm not saying it is an outright disaster - as the OP says he is still better than Moreno (which is a positive! ) - it just strikes me as odd that the club didn't do more to secure the services of a left-back given how obvious an area of concern it is. I hope Milner transitions quickly and successfully - I suspect that, in reality, teams will look to attack both our flanks as it is our Achilles heel (and has been for seasons now) . Time will tell eh.


{Ed001's Note - first point I agree with, though it was clear Lahm was not a defensive midfielder and never reached the level he did at full back.

Second point I agree, except that Milner is clearly better there than Moreno, so I fail to see how it weakens the defence to play him there instead.

Thirdly almost all full backs are failed wingers, Milner is a winger, so that is nonsense. Sorry but it quite simply is. Many wingers have transitioned to full back later in their career. It is a very common switch. Whereas I honestly can't think of another full back that has moved into central midfield.}

31 Aug 2016 05:55:48
That's true actually Milner is better than Moreno. I suppose what I meant to say was that playing Milner there, rather than signing someone, keeps the position relatively weak. You're correct though he is better than Moreno.

Yeah to be fair I can't think of another full-back who moved to defensive-midfield either - maybe only your favorite Ed Zanetti? But he was a freak and could play everywhere so not really a fair to compare him to any other player. I think the biggest problem for Milner is him being predominantly right-footed and being a left-back. It really limits his ability to be an attacking outlet and will perhaps get him into trouble against some of the better wide players in the league. It will remarkable if he does make the transition and become a solid left-back for us though - and should it happen I will gladly hold my hands up and admit to being wrong.

Bet you'll be happy when this transfer windows over Ed!


{Ed001's Note - that is my biggest issue with Milner at left back, not being left footed is a real weakness. If he was left footed I would be a lot less worried by him being used there. Zanetti literally played anywhere, bit like Stevie Nicol, but yes he was a very good midfielder.

I am always glad when the window is shut! I miss sleep.....}

31 Aug 2016 06:28:01
Agree that Milner will do a better job than Moreno at LB.
The problem being is though will he grow into the position or will it be like Saturday every game.
Milner I thought played well but then one mistake caught out of position and spurs scored.

Also I wouldn't mind seeing Moreno up top then, last 15mins just to run at defenders when there legs are going.


31 Aug 2016 06:55:18
@Lavers - in theory that is not a bad idea - the problem is Moreno just can't take his man on. He has no ability with the ball at his feet and no attacking guile about him - which makes his incessant forays deep into the opposition half an even bigger mystery as they rarely, if ever, produce anything. If he was a good attacking threat and just a shocking defender then using him as you suggest would be good - sadly he just ain't that impressive going forward and I doubt him being brought on with 15 minutes to go would do anything.


31 Aug 2016 08:28:55
Seano

I agree he is crap the ultimate goal has got to be him being sold.

Just thought whilst he is on our books maybe a little cameo at the end running at tired legs you never now.


31 Aug 2016 09:39:16
only if the game is won lavers, he simply cannot be trusted, which is why milner is playing there in the 1st place, the bigger story is why a club of Liverpool's size does not have a left back deemed ready for the 1st team from any of our age group, that in itself is truly shocking.


31 Aug 2016 12:07:06
I can think of an ex full back that's doing quite well up front for Real Madrid!


 
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