Liverpool Banter Archive September 30 2017

 

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30 Sep 2017 23:35:31
Watching De Bruyne he reminds me a little of Gerrard.

Brilliant attacking midfielder and again today he was the difference between the two sides.

Haven't seen much of Keita but does anyone who has think he is as good?

Would love to think we have picked up a player of the same calibre.

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01 Oct 2017 02:01:55
Keita in my opinion is better.


01 Oct 2017 02:43:00
Keita is a different kind of player to De Bruyne.
Corleone, Keita has had one good season in a competitive league, De Bruyne's being doing it for years. How is Keita better?


01 Oct 2017 04:39:55
De Bruyne's final ball, whether it be a shot, pass or cross, is just mesmerising. He can be a lazy liability, occasionally, but when he's on it he's a monstrous player. Keita is totally different.


01 Oct 2017 08:12:01
I love Keita BUT he is NO KDB. KDB is oozes class and is breathe-taking at times in his play and the worst thing is, he's no yet reached his prime and will only get better.


03 Oct 2017 15:16:53
I agree that kdb is class. He is. I also agree that he reminds you of Gerrard a little. But I would take keita over him. Maybe, I dunno? Keita is sensational though. Imagine having both of them. What a midfield that would be. Anyway, I hate swooning over other teams players. You have to admit a player like kdb. They're what make football such a good game to watch.


30 Sep 2017 20:30:59
I can't believe it, Just 1 more sleep and i can talk about a proper holding midfielder.

IF YOU NO ME you no im thinking about KOVA KOVA KOVACIC to be the playmaker and i'd love to partner him with NABY KEITA DING DONG to help protect the defence because you no WE CAN'T DEFEND.

SCARRY HOUSER.

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30 Sep 2017 20:45:29
Haven't you had a few more names than in the post Harry? Haha.


30 Sep 2017 20:45:37
Good one!


30 Sep 2017 20:54:12
Don’t worry, I assure you I’ll keep myself away from any posts tomorrow! Enjoy your day and time!


30 Sep 2017 21:19:04
Wait are you talking to yourself on 2 accounts or is OP genuinely not you? 😓.


30 Sep 2017 21:12:25
Oh, great. Another username.


30 Sep 2017 21:12:54
A couple more pseudonyms Harry and you could start your own team.


30 Sep 2017 21:36:37
Kovacic is not making the Madrid staring eleven! Well done Harry.


{Ed025's Note - get off harrys case max..i used to be the same with girls when i was very young by pulling their hair pretending that i didn,t fancy them mate..

30 Sep 2017 21:49:21
Just to confirm im not Harry scouser, im Scarry Houser.

Thanks.


30 Sep 2017 21:57:51
Is your brainier brother called Doogie?


30 Sep 2017 22:38:48
Class response ed.


{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

30 Sep 2017 19:35:19
Come on red. 3 points tomorrow and we go into the break in 4th. wouldn't be a bad position bearing in mind our form in recent weeks.

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30 Sep 2017 20:47:24
There has been nothing wrong with our form to be fair, its been the usual rubbish defending and amazing attacking, only difference is we have forgot how to get it into the back of the net lol.


30 Sep 2017 17:58:21
Toby Al, Chiellini, Bonucci and Boateng.

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30 Sep 2017 16:51:07
How is vvd doing? Anyone who watch saints please tell.

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30 Sep 2017 17:39:57
Gave a penalty away today. Saints lost to Stoke 😁.


30 Sep 2017 17:53:27
Shocking penalty as well. Just lazily pulled him down. He might be great on the ball but he couldn't mark a Lamp post. In fact it is worse than that, he couldn't mark Benteke.


30 Sep 2017 19:37:39
VVD does not seem to be arsed about starting for Southampton.

I honestly do not see him being the solution to our problems at the back anyways. Especially not at the price Southampton will hold us ransom for.

Our scouts have some hard work to do to find CB's who can work in Klopp's system.

No doubt, come January, a CB will be signed.


30 Sep 2017 20:33:57
To be honest with an attitude like that I wouldn't want him at Liverpool. Max your right, he has spat out his dummy because he didn't get the move and now he isn't doing his job, we don't need players like that, we are finally for once free of idiots from the team after getting rid of Sakho, we don't need another, we should look elsewhere.


30 Sep 2017 20:41:09
VVD was strolling around the field. Sure he did not get the move he wanted but it is not like Coutinho is waiting for better days. At least we are seeing Coutinho put in the hard graft even with him throwing his toys.

Southampton can keep VVD for all I care.


30 Sep 2017 20:49:31
Even so he is still an improvement over the lot we have which isn’t a high target to aim for like. Definitely not worth the price though.


30 Sep 2017 20:56:33
Im with you there Max, they can have him mate.


30 Sep 2017 21:15:08
I know VVD has his flaws and all BUT he will be a step in the right direction, IMO. As for Saints, well they are getting what they knew was coming as in, a player who could not be arsed to do anything for them. Now, that is very worrying to me BUT at the same time, Saints should not be surprised with what they are getting.


30 Sep 2017 21:30:48
Is he an improvement Phil? I am starting to seriously doubt it with how he played today against average opposition. He couldn't cope with Diouf, Crouch and Berahino. Hardly a world class set of strikers.

He was bad enough last season. What he did today is not new. He constantly loses his man and just pulls them down. He did it to Firmino last season and should've been red carded, but he got away with it somehow.

Either his injury had done him no favours, or he isn't trying because he didn't get his own way. Whichever way, do you want him still for in excess of £50m?


30 Sep 2017 21:59:22
I'd rather have Pontus Janssen than VVD.


30 Sep 2017 22:21:18
I agree once again MK, well said mate, he isn't good enough for that price/ for us, anybody who has watched him can see this. Janssen I'd have in a heartbeat over VVD Ron.


30 Sep 2017 23:18:01
To be fair to the lad it was his first league start since January.


01 Oct 2017 08:16:47
MK, I have had my reservations on VVD myself and I think there are better CB's than him around BUT he is who Klopp wants. I hope this perf. is just an aberration as he is coming off a long injury lay off so that may have affected his play and don't forget, he does not wanna play for Saints anymore so that may be affecting him evewn tho, I agree that he does himself no favors with that attitude.

I don't know this Janssen fellow. Is he that good? Are we interested and where is he playing his footie?


03 Oct 2017 15:19:49
Obviously virgil career is football. A massive promotion was waved in front of his face during the summer. It went so far that he had a medical on deadline day but Southampton wouldn't let him go. I would be pissed. Maybe he is hoping for a January move.


03 Oct 2017 21:17:15
Yes MK he is still an improvement over the lot we have, literally any defender in the prem can do a better job than ours, i’d even go as far as saying the championship has better center half a than we have.

Of course he isn’t worth the money, and I did say he isn’t, just he is an improvement over what we have. There is better out there too but not many to fit our way of playing.

Smeg head also made a great point on that it was his first league start since January. Look at how much stick Henderson was getting for his first several games and he wasn’t out as long.


30 Sep 2017 16:32:38
Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer, dead at 53. Over Barcelona today, the famed reindeer was hit by a flock of seagulls and a 747. Eyewitnesses report, that the reindeer in Spain was hit mainly by the plane.

On to the cenre backs then, we need four this time.

I would pick Diego Godin, Leonardo Bonucci, Jerome Boateng and Thiago Silva.

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30 Sep 2017 16:48:08
Godin, Chiellini, Ramos and Kompany.

I know Ramos gets banned a lot, and Kompany is injury prone, but they are insanely good and who cares when you have Godin and Chiellini as first choice 👀

Considered Hummels, Jiminez, Pique, Bonucci, Barzagli, Boateng, Bailly, Glik, Papasthopoulos, Laporte, Manolas and Silva as well. Lots of choice for this position! I expect this to be far more interesting than any of the debates which have gone before it!

This was a tough choice!


30 Sep 2017 16:51:35
1. Alderweireld- best cb in PL, toughest league in the world
2. Godin - best cb in world currently
3. Ramos - leader
4. Chiellini - so consistent.


30 Sep 2017 17:25:08
Good shout on Alderweireld Ninja. I completely forgot about him. I'd probably swap him for Kompany actually purely because he has a better injury record. Kompany is marginally better for me but as you say, Alderweireld does it every week in the best league in the world.

Agree with all 4 of your picks mate. You've swayed me. I revoke my original picks and go with Alderweireld, Godin, Chiellini and Ramos.


30 Sep 2017 17:45:44
Alderwield, Bonnuci, Boeteng, and Azpiliceuta who can play anywhere!


30 Sep 2017 17:57:59
Mk, Alderweireld is my favorite cb. I so wish we signed him.


30 Sep 2017 18:11:37
Alderweireld, Verthongen (partnership), Cheillini and Godin.


30 Sep 2017 18:11:57
Toby Alderweireld, Diego Godin, Sergio Ramos and Georgia Chiellini for me!


30 Sep 2017 18:13:21
Choosing CBs is a lot harder than choosing FBs. With CBs, you have to consider them as a unit (either 2 or 3) and you also have to consider what system would the manager want to play. A high line with ball playing CBs or a deeper line with giant CBs who would throw themselves in front of a rocket launcher if needed?

Therefore, I'm not choosing the best individual CBs although they will be some of the best. Taking into account the ways a team could play against an intergalactic team, I've chosen the four that have skillsets which complement each other as best as possible.

My first pick has to be Godin. Best CB in the world, no nonsense and hard as nails. Personally think he's best in a deeper line, and the player who I would pick to play alongside him would be Giorgio Chiellini. A similarly no nonsense CB who also plays best in a deeper line.

My next two picks are a bit more complicated. I've looked at CBs who like to get on the ball and is used to a high line. If Kompany could keep fit, he would definitely be in, but in such a high stakes match, I don't want one of my CBs limping off after twenty minutes. Boateng is a similar case. I wouldn't trust him to be fully fit and so have chosen to exclude him. The third CB I considered for this is Bonucci. I know people like Bonucci (I quite like him too) but he doesn't seem to do well whenever he plays in a more expansive team. Also, he's got a lot of baggage and I don't like to include such players (one of the reasons I did not want Alves as RB) .

Now we get to Alderweireld. He's the best CB in the PL, is comfortable on the ball, and plays a high line with Spurs. No brainer. I was tempted to go with Vertonghen next to him because they already have such a great partnership. However, in the case that Alderweireld doesn't make the match, I wouldn't trust Vertonghen to keep his head. He looks half the player without Alderweireld beside him, and so I decided to go for another player, Mats Hummels. Is there a CB who's better on the ball than Hummels? Perhaps Kompany, Alderweireld, Bonucci and Luiz. But with Kompany and Bonucci out, Alderweireld already one of the four, a choice between Hummels and Luiz is simple. Luiz looks lost and rash when playing in a back four as he does not have the same amount of cover he gets when he plays with two other centrebacks. Hummels, on the other hand, can play in a back three or four. He's played a high line with Dortmund under Klopp and Tuchel, with Germany under Loew and with Bayern under Ancelotti.

I know Ed002 chose Thiago Silva but I think he's overrated. He's not a real leader despite the armband he wears for PSG and wore for Brazil, his defending is average, and his passing is not too great either for someone who's lauded for it.

Ramos, I suspect, would be a popular pick too. I think he's a fantastic defender, but it was an easy decision not to pick him. He gets wound up so easily, he's been sent off nearly twenty times in La Liga alone, and that is playing for Real Madrid who mostly get decisions their way. Against an intergalactic team, who knows what underhanded tactics they might deploy to get an advantage? As admirable a defender, ballplayer and leader Ramos is, I am going to go for the safer options if I want my first eleven to stay on the pitch.

TL;DR - My four CB picks are Godin, Chiellini, Alderweireld and Hummels. Four defenders who can (actually) defend well, who are leaders and who have a complementary skillset which allows them to play as a unit of two or three CBs.


{Ed002's Note - Thanks for such a well thought out response.}

30 Sep 2017 18:34:17
Bonucci, Godin, Boateng.

Alderweireld or Chiellini?

I'll go with Alderweireld for age and the fact I've got a player from the other top leagues.


30 Sep 2017 18:59:45
Alderwerield
Bonucci
Chiellini
Godin.


30 Sep 2017 19:30:52
Godin, Vertonghen, Alderwerield and Kompany.


30 Sep 2017 19:35:02
Tough one; there is still an abundance of world class CBs, but some of them have started to head towards their twilight years and some underperformances may have been overlooked; on the other hand, the newer crop tends to be. less assured than desired.
In no particular order:

Diego Godin - a great player, slowly heading to the twilight zone; I have been curious for a long time how he would do outside of Atletiko's great defensive set-up.
Giorgio Chiellini - not much to say.
Laurent Koscielny - another one headed to the twilight zone, but I grew to admire him, because other than him I have NO other logical explanation what is holding a deplorable Arsenal defense together.
Toby Alderwield - the top defender in the premier league.

Some great players overlooked, like Bonucci (hasn't looked the same in Milan), Ramos (cheating c***), Kompany, Martin Skrtel and others.


30 Sep 2017 19:56:06
Alderweireld
Godin
Chiellini
Bonucci.


30 Sep 2017 20:22:22
alderweireld
varane
bonucci
godin.


30 Sep 2017 20:43:55
Zpecialone with the reply of the century, well thought out and many valid points (strengths, weaknesses, partnerships, playing style)

But, am I the only one who started reading the OP as the song, thinking the whole sentence would be in rhythm somehow but getting very confused? XD damn you ed2 haha :P.


30 Sep 2017 21:10:22
I would pick Diego Godin, Leonardo Bonucci, Jerome Boateng and Toby Alderwerield. Similar reasons as all the other comments on these players.
It would be hard to pick the 2 that start though.


30 Sep 2017 21:11:53
Kompany, Alderweireld, Godin and Varane.


30 Sep 2017 21:52:07
Alderwereild, Hummels, Tah and Varane.


30 Sep 2017 21:57:11
Pontus Janssen
Alderweireld
Kompany
Boateng.


30 Sep 2017 22:28:38
I can't see beyond the four that Ed2 chose initially. I do think that if this choice was being made a couple of seasons ago Kompany would occupy one of the spots and I also think that many moons ago Hyypia would have too.

For originality I'd throw Gimenez into the mix too.


30 Sep 2017 22:35:35
Chiellini, Alderweireld, Hummels and former comedy defender David Luis.


30 Sep 2017 22:37:24
Mine are Balanta, Aldeirweild, Hummels and Gimenez.


30 Sep 2017 22:42:16
Alderweireld, Godin, Van Dyke and Varane with special mentions for Bailly, Koulibaly.


30 Sep 2017 22:43:40
Sorry ED002, I understand you have a dislike to Liverpool and Klopp but to not include Lovren and Klavan in your top four is rather disappointing to say the least 😜😜.


01 Oct 2017 00:24:22
Godin
Bonucci
Chiellieni
Alderweireld.


01 Oct 2017 00:34:11
Silva, godin, kompany and bonucci for me.


01 Oct 2017 00:55:06
Might get a lfc player tomorrow👍.


30 Sep 2017 23:52:19
For me i would go with 2 experienced and 2 relatively younger centre backs- Godin and Bonucci as the experinced guys with Bailly (i know he plays for united but he is going to be gr8 player) and Marquinhos (PSG) .


30 Sep 2017 23:53:22
A lot of options here for the centre back slots. Kompany should be a no brainer but missed out due to being injured for 90% of games. Alderweireld and Vertonghen have such a fantastic understanding together it would be difficult to split them up- they would be my backup pair. First choice goes to Godin who can tackle hard, cut out pretty much eevery ariel ball Andy a threat from set pieces. Boateng would be alongside him as he too is strong and composed whilst in possession, can read the game and adds versatility.


01 Oct 2017 06:23:39
Alderweireld for being a top quality defender in the toughest league to defend in.

Godin because it is Godin and he is everything you would want in a defender.

Hummels because he is so technically good on the ball as well as being excellent defensively.

Last one was a coin flip between Chilleni and Varane - I went for Varane based on age and the fact that he is a very quick for a central defender, something that could be useful if playing a high line.


01 Oct 2017 08:07:25
Godin, hard as nails no nosense CB

Eric Bailey, has rarely put a foot wrong at United, young, atletic, very underated in my opinion.

Vvd. My luxury CB, great footballer, brings the ball out well, glides across the pitch, scores goals at the other end. A bit of a rare talent still but in this team he could be a real superstar.

Last but not least Alderweirald. Top top defender, playing in a league where you need to be switched on every minute. Does he ever make a mistake?

Luis might have made it instead of VVD but he is a bit rash, great footballer tho, can also score a free kick and good in the opposing box but its time for VVD to step up in this team of superstars to see what he is made of before Liverpool buy him next season 😆.


01 Oct 2017 10:18:23
I'm just to sad to post after hearing Rudolph is dead.


{Ed025's Note - im sad about the weather max...it looks like rain dear..

01 Oct 2017 11:34:53
Picking 4 CBs seems easy and a little bit difficult.

First is Diego Godin, who I think is the best centre back in the world. Tough as nails, good leader, good at set pieces, makes whoever his centre back partner is look good. The total package.

Second is Leonardo Bonucci. The one I wish Liverpool could've gotten - even if he had his mind set on Milan. Good reading of the game, very composed.

The next two for me come as apart of a unit - Toby Alderweireld and Jan Vertonghen. The best centre back pairing in the premiership since they started playing together. I saw Toby at Sotton and I felt he would be a solid centre back for any team - especially Liverpool. Wonder why we never signed him (thought he was linked with us) .
I think Toby is the best centre back in the premiership. And while I could've gone for Hummels or Boateng who are very good at playing from the back and actually defending, I'll go for Vertonghen because the centre backs should be a pair/ team. and there's none better than Toby/ Jan.

So:

Diego Godin
Leonardo Bonucci
Toby Alderweireld
Jan Vertonghen.


01 Oct 2017 11:45:11
Surprised David Luiz hasn't been given a shout he was great last year, I'd have to take him in mine given he will have world class dm to protect him. Chiellini is the rock solid head he needs beside him. I'd happily have Ramos and bonucci as back up to these two.


01 Oct 2017 12:57:57
Oh dear ed.


{Ed025's Note - sorry max..

01 Oct 2017 14:36:57
Mat hummels

VVD

Ramos

Alderweireld.


01 Oct 2017 16:10:27
why not sign a gk too on the way?


01 Oct 2017 16:11:39
I'd go for: Godin, bonucci, alderweireld as the experienced ones and and baily as the Young face.


01 Oct 2017 16:20:01
Alderweireld, Bonucci, Chiellini and Thiago Silva. Hummels came close but when I see him for Germany he sometimes looks like an articulated lorry trying to turn. Still a cracking player tho. Special shout out to James Collins too just because.


01 Oct 2017 16:24:49
Varane
Chiellini
Bailly
Godin.


01 Oct 2017 17:01:04
Aldeweireld, Godin, Bonucci, Thiago Silva.


01 Oct 2017 19:25:36
Godin and chillini as the 2 old heads and bailly and varane are the 2 that i believe will be the best cbs in world football over next 5 years.
Alderwield and kompany are also outstanding imo.


01 Oct 2017 20:38:45
Bonucci, hummels, thiago silva and Ramos.
All the very best at what they do (most Of The time) and good mixture of qualities.


02 Oct 2017 06:03:46
Definitely Bonucci but the other three.? Difficult choice. Personally, if I’m a football manager right now, I’d pick Luiz, Alderweireld, and . wait for it. Joel Matip.


02 Oct 2017 10:36:17
Matip? Seriously?


02 Oct 2017 11:02:13
Godin, Chiellini, Bonucci, Alderweireld. The 4 centre backs with the best defensive ability and playing in teams with the best defensive records in the world. The likes of ramos and silva shouldn't even get close imo.


02 Oct 2017 11:26:54
Surprising none picked Albiol and Koulibaly. Two CB who play high line and has most of the grounds to cover also get exposed to danger than any other defenders in Europe!
Albiol and Koulibaly for me! Purely based on what liverpool play and intends to play. One of the riskiest system in football!


02 Oct 2017 11:53:40
Rudolph was hit by a Flock of Seagulls? Did they run? Run so far away?


02 Oct 2017 13:09:14
Not sure if this is still open but here's my 4

Chiellini
Kompany
Hummells
Godin

Loving this at the moment Eds, nice one!


02 Oct 2017 13:48:48
Maybe Rudolph was wishing!


02 Oct 2017 14:14:48
Ed, we should do the WORST possible intergalactic team after this. With the rule that players must play for a team in the top leagues in their respective countries.


{Ed002's Note - I am sure we can come up with an idea or two.}

02 Oct 2017 16:57:17
Varane, Manolas, Sarr and Boateng for me. 2 in their mid twenties, Boateng as the experienced leader we need and Sarr for the future. All 4 also have decent pace so should be able to play a high line defence.


02 Oct 2017 18:35:05
Here is my pick luiz chelini or pique boateng.


02 Oct 2017 19:24:44
The winners are Godin, Alderweireld, Bonucci and Chiellini. The defensive midfield is next - three required. New thread soon.


30 Sep 2017 16:22:49
Sandro and Alaba are selected as the left backs. Next up will eb the four centre backs. A new thread will appear soon.

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30 Sep 2017 16:05:24
I know he takes his fair share of stick on here but it is saddening to read about the health issues Lovren is having.

He isn't training at all and has to take painkillers just to get on the pitch for us due to a back injury he has been carrying all season.

I feel a little bit guilty for calling out his performances knowing this now. The blokes in agony, not fit to play, but is playing through the pain barrier for us when required. He may not be the best player in the world, but respect to him for doing that in an age where most players would happily pull out with a cold and still pick up their pay check.

I hope he doesn't have to retire early like Agger did. Nobody deserves to have their livelihood robbed. Easy to forget these guys are still human and whilst it isn't anything to shout about, he is still our best senior centre back in my opinion.

Get well soon Dejan.

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30 Sep 2017 16:25:30
Well said.


30 Sep 2017 17:28:34
Cheers smplfc. We don't always agree, but we can easily forgot that guys like Lovren care just as much as us fans.

Forgot to add about Firmino as well; he apparently cried after he missed the penalty against Sevilla. Absolutely gutted for him. It's easy to shout and swear about him for missing, but we forget that he wanted it to go in even more than we did and he has to take responsibility to go with the heart break.

They're well paid for what they do, but some of them really do care.


30 Sep 2017 18:04:33
He won't be robbed of his livelihood, he's probably made for life anyway, but he will be insured as will the club.
Why are we playing someone who's not fit to train? Utterly ridiculous from LFC again.
Shame for Lovren, hope he gets well soon 🤝.


30 Sep 2017 19:13:37
I was thinking last time I watched him someone somewhere must have a lovren voodoo doll, he seemed to be fine most of the time but then has these mad moments where everything goes wrong, like a pin going into his doll when he needs to intercept a ball or clear one.


30 Sep 2017 21:00:29
It is a shame about his back injury, and it makes me regret saying he isn’t fit enough to wear the shirt. He literally isn’t! yet still throws it on and tries which actually shows his passion for the club which was never recognisable in his game.
Whole new level of respect for him, still didn’t rate him even before his injury but he actually wants to play! And he is kinda making Coutinho look bad for his "back injury" which he couldn’t play through 😂

And MK I don’t ever remember seeing anybody shout and rage over Firmino for missing that penalty. The crowd instantly started chanting for him so his head didn’t drop. Maybe not just missing the penalty, but also the love and support the fans showed after is what made him cry? Either way at least we know he won’t be leaving any time soon haha.


30 Sep 2017 23:40:34
The more I think about this story the more it winds me up.
If he's not fit to train, he on earth can he play? It baffles me because Klopp puts so much emphasis on training. I'd rather put a fully fit Gomez in there than an injured Lovren who's not training.
What are our medical team playing at? Surely they can't be recommending that :
1) a player self-medicates
2) a player plays when he's injured.

It just makes me even more mad about the way the club is being run. Have we got any professionals at our club?


30 Sep 2017 23:59:19
Well said Ron.


30 Sep 2017 23:59:04
Completely agree Phil. Very good point regarding Firmino as well. It's easy to confuse the real supporters with the online trolls, but as you say, the people in the stadium were fully behind him.


30 Sep 2017 13:11:35
Harry Kane might not work like Firmink but He scores like Messi and Suarez! No wonder Spurs are doing excellent yet again! Home or away he creates and scores for fun!

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30 Sep 2017 13:51:19
Yeah but he's just another average English player, right?


30 Sep 2017 14:37:57
Take it from me MK! He is one genuine player you have got with you! But when he plays for England he see Sideways Henderson behind him instead of Dembele and Errikson! No wonder he struggles for England lol!


30 Sep 2017 15:24:31
Klopp, Salad and now

"Firmink" 😂.


30 Sep 2017 15:50:23
So i assume you've changed your mind about Dier and Carrick, who you wouldn't shut up about last week?

And you don't rate Sterling who has the best goal to minute ratio in the Premier league, Alli who was the highest scoring midfielder in Europe, or Rashford/ Lewin who are top young talents, or Gomez/ Solanke who were nominated for the golden boy award? Or any of the U19, U20, or U21 England youth internationals who dominated world football the summer just gone? Then there is Rooney, Henderson, and Cahill who captain top 7 premier league teams.

Curse all these average English players!


30 Sep 2017 16:21:42
LOL! Why don’t you take a challenge from me and pass the group stage of the WC! All this overrating and underrating of players would come to an end! Take 10 years and you wouldn’t still win a bloody major in the world!
If I start pulling out the names of France and Germany you would faint!
Lol MK but you are the untouched king of overrating players and the funny part is you put up your post so well that everyone fall into the pit!

My challenge MK! Take 10 years and show me you could actually win one MAJOR TROPHY.

If Jack wheel chair was not injured Henderson wouldn’t have made it to your starting eleven!

Now before you dump everything on Gareth Southgate for not winning a tea cup! I ll give you a free hand to pick a world class manager as well mate! And you will still fail! I am so confident on your players.

Happy weeknd mate! When is England playing San Marino lol! The only team you actually beat 10 times an year!


30 Sep 2017 17:19:53
What do international trophies have to do with the individual ability of players? Argentina have never won a major honour with Messi, Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Mascherano etc. By your logic they are bad players because of that. Really?

I'm not over rating anyone. I'm just not having it that Kane is England's only good player, and pointing out that just last week you suggested Eric Dier was an excellent holding midfielder and now today he is part of the rest of the average English players.

You can't judge all of a nations players based on how many trophies they won.

Gerrard, Owen, Scholes, Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Neville, Seaman, Carragher, Beckham, Campbell, Carrick, Rooney, Shearer, Sherringham, Fowler, Barnes and Hargreaves were all monsters at club level and yet never won an international honour. If you are telling me that makes them all bad players, then to be honest mate your opinion isn't worth reading and nobody will take you seriously ever again.

It is very difficult to win major international honours. They only come about once every 2 years for European countries, and Europe is the most competitive of all the Confederations. We are competing against Italy, France, Holland, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Croatia and Portugal. Even our so called lesser teams like Wales, Iceland, Greece, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Sweden are decent sides with players like Bale, Sigurdsson, Manolas, Lewandowski, Hamsik, Cech, Ibra etc. All top International teams. You should also watch the two Irish sides mate. They play with more passion than anyone else on the planet which makes them harder to beat than some of the best club teams even. It is very hard to win them and some of the best players in history have retired without ever making an impact at a major international tournament.

Also, in case you are genuinely just being ignorant, England have progressed from the group stages at nearly every major tournament they've qualified for in recent history and are one of an elite few countries to have actually won a world cup. You are talking rubbish mate.

England only take so much stick because of our media. They build us up so much that anything other than reaching the final is perceived as an under achievement. It is sheer arrogance. We have no rights to go past the group stages to be honest. We are a tiny Island with a smaller pool of people to pick from than at least half of the rest of the world, and on top of the countries i listed from Europe we are also competing with Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Columbia, Uruguay, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon etc at the World Cup who are also top international sides. You are having a laugh if you think England have any right to even be competing regularly. That does not mean we have no good players though.


30 Sep 2017 20:00:36
Well said mk
Up the pool.


30 Sep 2017 20:01:51
Harry, even with Kane at Spurs disposal does not mean they will win trophies so you really need to get your head sorted out mate.

You just seem to want to piss and moan just for the sake of it.

Spurs after today have only scored 2 more goals than Liverpool in the League.

What is more, the thrashing we got from City is what is making GA look bad.

Go to bed mate.


30 Sep 2017 20:56:21
Max
Thanks for your advice! This was my thread and a very simple one. In my book Kane is one of the most complete strikers around! You can skip my post and find someone else! Good luck!


30 Sep 2017 21:18:31
Nobody is questioning Kane's ability Harry but as usual you will make comments to stoke up a fire.

Kane scored 4 goals in 6 EPL games before the match vs Huddersfield today. This is the guy you are masturbating about.

Salah, a wide player, has scored 4 goals in six EPL games to date?

Really Harry, get a bloody grip. No hope for you Harry.


30 Sep 2017 21:11:18
MK made the beat point about Argentina, just because players are amazing individually at their own clubs in much different systems, doesn't mean they can work together.

With English players they are all rivals in the prem, and seem to play quite cautious not to pick up injuries and then look average and lazy even when they aren't lol.


30 Sep 2017 21:46:16
He's doing really well Kane.
I think he still has to make another step up if he's to be considered "world class". He needs to win something with a club side or England (😂) .


{Ed025's Note - chance would be a fine thing with england ron..

30 Sep 2017 22:02:39
He may have to leave spuds and do it in another league to make that step up IMO.
If England had a half decent manager they could be a really good team.
They haven't got the manager, they haven't got the priorities right either. If they want to challenge they need to give more priority to England first team training. The problem is money talks and the premier league has all the money.


30 Sep 2017 09:04:05
I seen ed002 saying that a lot of teams were not interested in taking keita for what we signed him for and were not interested even at the reported 48 million buyout clause.

Would like to ask ed002 opinion of naby keita strenghts and weaknesses? What he could add to our current team if you get a chance. Much appreciate ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - He is inconsistent and very expensive. He does run tirelessly and had a good season last year. Off the pitch he has become a real nuisance to Leipzig and he has elevated to be a real diva with an inflated view of own ability and importance.}

30 Sep 2017 14:32:51
Thanks ed002. Yeah I've seen the red suit debacle and I'm sure there is more probably going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

I appreciate your review on keita only reason I asked was because I read loads of teams were interested (I know that newspapers/ certain sites and people just wanna get followers/ likes or so on) was there many teams after him as made out?

Klopp said when he signed him he had loads of people saying what a fantastic signing he was and he was the best player in bundensliga.

Thanks ed002 appreciate all the hard work.


{Ed002's Note - I understood from an Arsenal scout that the club were looking to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer but the lack of Champions League football, the reluctance of RBL to sell and an outrageous asking price if the did decide to sell put a dent in that plan. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions dating back to his time at RB Salzburg. Interest was also being shown by PSG, Chelsea and Dortmund - but not at anything like the price being mentioned. The prior interest of Bayern Munich waned with the "not for sale" flag and the potential asking price - they didn't see the value. Spurs, Inter and Juventus all took a look and Inter did speak with RBL about a deal for next summer. Liverpool of course offered a much higher amount as you know.}

30 Sep 2017 15:13:12
Thanks ed002 appreciate the reply.


{Ed002's Note - You are welcome}

30 Sep 2017 07:48:00
Hi Ed002,

I thought you said Kloop would leave once the Bayern job was available?

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{Ed002's Note - No, I said that it was due to become available in 2019 and then he would be an option.}

30 Sep 2017 09:22:57
Firmino, Mane, Coutinho and Salah should all start tomorrow.

Mouthwatering attack.

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30 Sep 2017 11:47:26
Hopefully they'll be a bit more clinical that they were in Moscow and that should see us through what could be a very tough match against Rafas Newcastle.


30 Sep 2017 19:50:07
1-1 or 2-6 for sure. Same chance of both results.


30 Sep 2017 07:07:34
Morning all.

ED25 if you're about mate.

Not Liverool related but as you always make good points on this side, thought I'd ask the question.

My local Indian is a bit of a hub for us parents that want to get away for an hour and grab a quick pint or two whilst waiting for our take outs! A real mix of Unted, LFC and Everton fans we often fond ourselves in there around the same time on a Friday night, coincidence? My missus would beg to differ -ha

Anywsy, one of the blokes is a massive blue, has a season ticket, shares and is a little in the know when it comes to EFC.

He was saying that the board at Everton have had enough of Koeman, Monshi amd Kenwright have met and discussed his possible removal. Word has it that he has been caught doing something he shouldn't outside of football.

Heard anything Ed 25? Ancelloti?

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{Ed025's Note - i have not heard anything on that to be honest drogie, but when things are not going well a lot of stories come out and most of them are shall we say less than the truth, i cant deny or substantiate anything on this one but i know a lot of people who will be hoping its true mate..cheers..

30 Sep 2017 08:24:54
Ok, thanks for the reply mate.


{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..

30 Sep 2017 01:38:33
Ed001, I want your opinion about the former Bolton and Nigerian player, J. J Okocha. Do you rate him? and do you feel he was underrated during his playing time? Was very surprise he never won the African player of the year at least once. And if you could have him as a LFC player, would you like him on the team?
Cheers for your time.

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{Ed001's Note - he never won African player of the year? I never knew that, I had assumed he did at some point. He was an excellent player, very skilful and made Bolton under Sam watchable, which took some doing.

As a Liverpool player I am not so sure, during the Hodgson or Souness era yes, but he was not at the level of our best players.}

30 Sep 2017 09:01:44
Ed01 as someone who knew and watched Jay Jay Okocha (So good, they named him twice", Martin Tyler) from beginning to end of his career, I can tell you that he is a living legend in Nigeria as part of the the Golden Generation of the Negerian teams in the 90's. His sheer brilliance, talent and raw skill did not warrant the type of club career (Frankfurt, Fernebache, Bolton) one with such talent deserved. Jay Jay did sign for PSG as the record signing in French league history in 1998.

Also, Okocha played in an era where there was a lot of racism in the way big European clubs recruited African players as they were already considered inferior to their counterparts w/ o sometimes even looking deeper and evaluating them. Ronaldinho who played with Okocha at PSG still revers him till this day as the best player he has ever seen.

George Weah suffered the same issue in France but was able to rise above that by working on his game tirelessly and arguably redefining the CF position (the first CF to drop deep and pick up the ball and run at a defence with pace, power and superb dribbling ability) and sign for the great AC Milan after Marco Van Basten retired (arguably the best CF to ever play the game) . He is revered at Milan till this day.

Had the likes of Jay Jay and and Weah played in this era of overrated dross, they would be ridiculing all these poor defenders alive for fun cos Weah went against legends like Nesta, Carnavaro, Maldini, Baresi and the like.


{Ed001's Note - I know he was good, but I think you overrate him, as he was lacking in the discipline needed to follow the kind of instructions players get nowadays. Allardyce changed the way they play to allow him to just have freedom. Skill is great, but you have to have the mentality to use it to its fullest and he was not top rank in that regard, unlike Weah. A lot of what Okocha did (in a way similar to Ronaldinho in that regards) was ineffective and was more for the sake of it than because it was needed. Reminds me of White Men Can't Jump, that quote about wanting to look good first, win second. Okocha was one of those for me.}

30 Sep 2017 21:21:34
You are correct about his lack of discipline and that may be one of the reasons why he did not have a more fruitful club career. That much, I must admit. He was a crowd pleaser and that does not fly in European football esp. in this area of micro management. Good convo, Ed.


{Ed001's Note - cheers Bing.}

 
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