Liverpool Banter Archive September 30 2015

30 Sep 2015 21:19:55
Looking at draxler play against man united you wonder why we opted to go for Firmino instead.

30 Sep 2015 22:02:59
Give Firmino a chance to prove himself.

01 Oct 2015 00:00:03
Gas. ye were all boiling yer elephants when firmino signed in the summer and now it's why did we buy him. ? I wonder where this club will end up sometimes. Give the lad a fecking chance.

01 Oct 2015 01:52:28
I'll only judge him after a dozen games playing at either no.10 in behind the strikers or upfront alongside Sturridge or Benteke. He looks very useful for me, just needs game time to get used to PL and to be played in his natural position.

01 Oct 2015 09:30:37
Boiling your elephants? Lol
He looks like a good player but also a bit of a white elephant to me, I can't see how he fits in.

01 Oct 2015 11:35:25
Poor comment, Natural. Poor comment.

01 Oct 2015 12:31:13
You mean a young German has settled into a team that plays in the same league he's always played in, where his team mates speak the same language as him, in his home country, without any unfortuante injuries quicker than Firmino has settled into our team?

Who'd have guessed that?!

01 Oct 2015 14:12:17
Draxler is a good player, but what in this universe makes one think he would fair any better under the guidance, leadership and tactical genius called BR?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool did not opt for Firmino instead of Draxler.}

30 Sep 2015 18:06:16
I started reminicing about the swashbuckling style we played a few seasons ago and wondered what my favorite style of play is. While i enjoyed the attack attack style i despaired at the defending and wished we had a decent back line.

But i can also appreciated the balanced approach when you defend well as a team and attack as a unit like atleti a few seasons ago.

Then there is the sublime close control and flair of the barca side under pep.

Then i remember the one touch pass and move of lfc in the late 80s with great defence and awsome attack not unlike the total football played by the dutch at the time.

What are you guys favorite style of play?

30 Sep 2015 19:06:42
I really like the pointless passing we do at the start of the season, I especially like it when skirtel and migs make a few dodgy passes which end up with migs kicking it out for a throw. I also like it when we get near the edge of box and then pass it back all the way to the defence. What is also great about this style is you have next to no efforts at goal and rarely score.

Brendan and fsg like it more than me tho.

30 Sep 2015 19:24:26
I love the direct, pass and move style. That is the way footie should be played. You can never have a perfect balance but teams that always try to have that will acheive some kind of balance even if it isn`t perfect. Teams can play the beutiful game and still be defensively sound for the most part. we have seen teams doing it before. it is the managers who think one has to suffer to accomodate the other that are ruining it for the rest of us.

30 Sep 2015 19:31:04
Have an 'agree' OG. outstanding.

30 Sep 2015 21:05:39
Yes direct one touch football with wingers who will dribble, beat a man and whip a cross in for the striker.

Can't be done with all the faffing about with 6 midfielders occupying 1 metre square of the centre of the pitch tapping it 1 yard back, 1 yard sideways ad infinitum. Yawn!

30 Sep 2015 20:01:06
1. If you don't concede goals, you won't lose. Obvious but organised man marking defence, everything we are not!!
2. Possession with intent to go forward (not side to side, then back).
3. Not the long ball!
4. Get in to or around the 18 yard box and actually shoot.
5. Attack, attack, attack.
6. Entertain the fans.

30 Sep 2015 21:47:58
Haha og i was actually tryn to have a thread that didn't mention our fav manager of the month, oh well. i'm a pass and move with a large dose of individual flair, fast flowing football where generally the ball does most of the work.

I agree ron not a tippy tappy man myself unless its late 90s ronaldinho doing it with 4 stepovers and a nutmeg.

01 Oct 2015 06:10:12
I loved 2013/14 where a high energy press up the pitch, quick turnover ball and breaking forward at pace made for exciting, winning football. Requires pace and energy upfront though with Sterling/Studge/Suarez then making dangerous runs for Coutinho/Hendo to hit.

Unfortunately Rogers hasn't seemed to prioritise this approach since, with the likes of Lambert, Balo, Llalana and Benteke drafted in instead of Suarez/Sterling, clearly not targeting a high press or runs in behind the defence. I do feel we can get back there though with the likes of Sturridge/Firmino/Ings if we just continue to play as we have in the last couple of games.

To play this way however, I do also think we should fix our DM/CB problems first or we risk conceding every time they get in behind, and while Lucas is doing a good job we should probably have a younger talent at DM for the future (like Kongdogbia or Schneiderlin and assuming we're not going to gradually develop Can into that role). We also need stronger CB's who have pace and the ability to deal with counterattacks, something that seems to panic Skrtel and Lovren.

30 Sep 2015 15:34:19
Read with dismay that Sturridge might be called up for Euro England games. This is madness, he should not be anywhere near these games, they are dead rubbers. England do not take care of him, and for once Rogers is correct.

30 Sep 2015 17:09:40
Thing is though, the player will want to go to the euros and if you're not in the team someone else will be.
Difficult one

01 Oct 2015 07:49:33
He is still returning to fitness, and as ND says these are pointless games. Use it to give high performing but relatively unproved players like Ings and Vardy a chance, and get players like Sturridge in closer to the time

30 Sep 2015 13:24:15
Does anyone have any info as to the result of our meeting with CA?

{Ed002's Note - Unless Macca can enlighten us then no, I can't help at all. Ancelotti will be in England later this week to deal with a couple of matters unrelated to Liverpool.}

30 Sep 2015 14:22:40
So, officially on other business. Perhaps a coffee at our London office?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean by "officially".}

30 Sep 2015 14:53:11
Let's just leave it at that :) Thanks for getting back to me! You guys are awesome.

30 Sep 2015 16:50:04
Dwarfonaboat, it's been said many times by Ed002 that Carlo Ancelotti has a side project or something along those lines. It's probably to do with that if anything.

{Ed002's Note - It is to do with that and a visit to a match.}

30 Sep 2015 17:33:11
Ed is his side project trolling liverpool fans? :)

Joking lads :)

30 Sep 2015 18:06:52
He'll be going to see the Chelsea board.

30 Sep 2015 19:32:04
What is Ancelotti's side project, I'm intrigued?

{Ed002's Note - Unimportant to Liverpool and I am not sure if it is common knowledge.}

01 Oct 2015 19:52:33
"What is Ancelotti's side project, I'm intrigued?"

Laminating his conservatory and digging a pond.

30 Sep 2015 13:11:15
Does RTFP stand for 'read the f***ing posts'?

{Ed007's Note -

30 Sep 2015 14:46:44
lol!

So, Ed007, is that the expected reaction to the live podcast that Ed001 and Benny will be doing later on this week? Or have you got the canned applause/laughter already tee'd up?!

{Ed007's Note - It would need to be canned laughter listening to those two.}

30 Sep 2015 17:17:09
Filmed In front of a live studio (hotel lobby) audience :)

30 Sep 2015 17:28:08
Not many of that audience will still be alive

01 Oct 2015 07:50:06
Robbush, I would think not. They probably died of exhaustion and/or arm fatigue soon after this video was taken!

Benny, have you put aside the budget to pay them to watch? Make sure you have enough left over after Ed01 has paid for his make up ;-)

{Ed001's Note - both pounds were used up by Benny to pay for a woman to accompany him and pretend to be his gf.....}

01 Oct 2015 13:56:52
Blimey, TWO quid?! I see that Benny has raised his standards.

30 Sep 2015 11:30:21
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Is the English Premier League overhyped?

30 Sep 2015 12:09:39
Interesting article Ed1, do the Eds write these or are they outside contributors?

I would argue that most of the points he makes were just as applicable when we were the most successful league in Europe a decade ago and I'm not sure it's just that we've lost the fear factor.

We often think the lower teams in the PL are improving and that's why we have so many upsets in the PL but just as easily it could be that the top teams are getting worse. How many genuinely class stars does the PL boast? Hazard, Aguero and Silva? A lot of our other stars are cast offs from Barca and Madrid.

{Ed002's Note - These are written by certain Eds - not me.}

30 Sep 2015 08:07:06
Hi reds,

Midweek loan update.

Ojo came off the bench in the 56th minute and got a goal and an assist as wolves beat fulham 3-0.

Lloyd jones played the full 90 and helped keep a clean sheet as Blackpool picked up a much needed 2-0 win against chesterfield to raise them off the foot of the table.

Williams played the full 90 as Swindon drew 2-2 with Doncaster

Maguire was not in the squad as Leyton orient lost 2-1 to Carlisle.

Harry Wilson came on as a 77th minute sub as crewe lost 2-1 to Southend. Crewe are now bottom of league 1.

Canos came on as a 70th minute sub as Brentford lost 2-0 to Birmingham.

Allan played the full 90 as senajoen lost 1-0 to HIFK.
Senajoen now sit second in the table.

30 Sep 2015 10:00:31
Great stuff Carra

Just to Add:
Ojo had a mom performance changed the game for wolves when he came on.
And Williams is getting a welsh under 21 call up

Keep up the good work

30 Sep 2015 10:18:21
Ahoy - Carra(excellent update).

As a mid-week loan expert can you find out when Pikey Kev will be returning my chainsaw.

He didn't return it on Monday and sent a Bookface message saying he might as well buy it.

Do you think he has sold it on ?

30 Sep 2015 10:50:46
Carra , Joe Maguire played the full 90 minutes for Liverpool U21's against Leicester on Monday, the first half at RB and the second at LB when Jose Enrique went off at half time as arranged. Maguire's short loan has finished.

Great work by the way!

30 Sep 2015 11:24:07
Thanks Ritters, after I posted I wondered if his loan had came to an end. I will make a note of that now

Bolied I think Pikey Kev has pulled a fast one and sold it quicker than a Brendan Rogers blaming a defeat on others

30 Sep 2015 11:41:14
Thanks for the update, great to hear ojo is doing so well, just hope he gets his chance in our first team next season

30 Sep 2015 11:42:41
Carra – I think you could be onto something

It is a Stihl MS250 – so in keeping with BR policy overpriced, 3 year guarantee, loaned out and never to be seen nor heard of again

If I had two heads I’d be twice as gullible.

30 Sep 2015 17:22:02
Thanks for the updates 23carragold. Jordan williams has been called up to the full welsh squad in the last five or six matches I think, but can't remember him featuring in any of the games up til now

30 Sep 2015 05:08:18
So the kid paid his fine in Pennies. The loan club should have accepted it, then paid his next wage in Pennies as well.

{Ed013's Note - Money is money what ever the form Andy, funny, but cost him his loan}

30 Sep 2015 08:54:19
Ed there is a difference between funny and taking the p**s. He showed total lack of respect to that club

30 Sep 2015 09:54:35
He's a grown man he should have known better that's a play ground prank now who's laughing

30 Sep 2015 10:14:18
Gotta be honest, i really don't see the big deal.
It was a completely harmless prank, chances are he had £50 in notes on him ready to hand over.
I think he probably regrets his actions but I doubt he thought for one moment it would come to this. I at least wouldn't have seen this coming!
He is young and he will learn. Stevie G and Carra were far from angels.

30 Sep 2015 10:44:01
I think a bit of reading between the lines is required, Swindon were obviously disappointed with his attitude, that's why he was fined. They would have wanted him to say sorry, pay the fine and promise not to do it again.

Instead they got a petulant response from him showing disrespect for their discipline process, pretty much the opposite of what they expected. I am not remotely surprised they cancelled his loan.

I hope he learns a lesson from this and doesn't walk away thinking he's the victim.

{Ed002's Note - Exactly.}

30 Sep 2015 11:08:38
he is resuming his loan. Weird he's only got 1 clean sheet in 9 thought it was more from the updates

30 Sep 2015 11:28:13
If an 18 year old kid turned up late for work in most other jobs, was rightly reprimanded, and then made it publicly clear that he treated the whole issue as a joke, that would set alarm bells ringing about his whole attitude.

Who the hell does this lad think he is, that he can disrespect a club who have agreed to make him part of their league campaign, by treating their disciplinary measures as a joke? He has done nothing, achieved nothing, and he acts like a big time charlie because he earns more money than the local club's own players?

It also reflects badly on lfc, but my guess is that it may be a more widespread issue among highly paid under 21s these days.

I'm annoyed that we have a lad with such a poor attitude still on the books to be honest, those are the kinds of players who can cause friction and unrest among the squad.

30 Sep 2015 13:05:10
Actually, £50 worth of pennies is not legal tender and does not have to be accepted.

5p - for any amount not exceeding £5

2p - for any amount not exceeding 20p

1p - for any amount not exceeding 20p

according to royal mint

30 Sep 2015 14:00:39
You don`t make up for messing up by messing up again. That`s just stupid and childish. Hopefully for him he`s learnt his lesson

29 Sep 2015 18:08:51
This is for ed 1, Getting away from BR for a sec.
Has there ever been a choirmaster for the Kop ?
It saddens me that the atmosphere in Anfiled is not what it used to be. you know, when things are not going well, we sing louder, a la minute 45 at the ataturk 2005.
My personal feeling is that the fans still want to sing, but they don't know what to sing, they have nobody to lead them ! I know some will say well they're not real fans if they don't know the songs, but we are where we are. We should be singing from minute 1 to minute 95 ! What a difference that would make !

{Ed001's Note - I don't remember there ever being a choirmaster, but it has changed as it is difficult to sit with your mates these days. Much harder getting a song going if you aren't sat together.}

30 Sep 2015 02:50:38
Hope I don't get slated here but, maybe better than a choirmaster, perhaps due to the change in fans not being all local etc. it could be an idea to print and hand out the songs before matches or have a place where one could print there own copy to bring .Those who know them etc wouldn't need them but those who do could and would have no reason not to sing. It's my dream to go to Anfield soon but financial constraints make it impossible. I know some of the songs but not all. It doesn't make me less of a supporter just one who regrettably hasn't been able to be there.

30 Sep 2015 03:37:13
There's never been a choirmaster, you'd just get one random guy in the crowd get up and sing something and everyone would happily join in. They're too scared these days. Like ed001 said, difficult to muster the courage when you're just sitting by yourself around people who you think may be judging you.

30 Sep 2015 04:37:16
Choirmaster would just be another person Rodgers could blame for a bad season!

30 Sep 2015 05:57:56
I remember as a young lad, on the Kop with my dad, and one of his mates, Frank Kinder, would always start the songs. He'd only get 4 or 5 words out and it would start up. It's not the same with all seater stadiums either I'd guess, though have lived away from the UK for years so can't really comment.

30 Sep 2015 10:20:19
I think Edd & Nick have a point.
It is quite hard for a good group of you to be able to get tickets week after weeks next to each other. The guys from RAWK have been discussing the atmospher issue as well, they are suggesting a singing section. The club won't do anything to help with allocating tickets. So they have done their research and the easiest place with the least season ticket holders is the Annie Rd end blocks 127 - 129
So if you want a sing song with a load of other like minded lads get your ticket in these blocks.
Let's make a bit of noise and have some fun 😉