Liverpool Banter Archive October 30 2016

30 Oct 2016 21:40:11
Along the lines of the best liverpool team since the 96 Evans class. I am too young to remember the team of the 70s and early 80s, so my favourite was under Benitez.

Alonso, Masch, gerrard and Torres in his pomp. A great defense, just missing width.

If Benitez had not pissed off Alonso and sold him I think we would have won the title.

What do you all think?

30 Oct 2016 22:02:59
It was a great team, but I sincerely believe the team we have riggght now is even better.

30 Oct 2016 22:43:30
Also believe if Benitez had got the targets he was after, then we would have got close. I don't mean Gareth Barry btw.

31 Oct 2016 00:14:01
That squad just lacked the right depth tbh, i agree with bobby, if rafa was able to get some of his targets i think we may have went on to win it. I don't however agree that our squad right now is better. We may be more of a threat going forward but that was a solid team all over the park front to back. The GK was the best we had in years and we still haven't replaced him, we have never had a settled back four like we had in that team which was miles better than what we have now let's be honest. That midfield, well there's no debate, anyone that thinks our midfield now even comes close to that is deluded. Torres alone was a bigger threat than anyone we have now individually, but as a whole, our offence is greater now than it was then. What i will say is that its a very different team that focuses on a different style of play. The quality of football has delclined in the premier league therefore teams that can't defend to save their life can challange, but not win the league. The quality was far greater then but not as entertaining, premier league is by far the most entertaining legue in the world bar none.

30 Oct 2016 22:52:59
Raffa had no choice but to sell the clubs prize assets as Gillette and Hicks put all the debt they used to buy the club back on the club.
So all our transfer kittys were spent paying off the interest on their loans
A proper pair of c@#$ s
Promises were made to Raffa that were never kept.
Thsts why Alonso and Machrrano moved on.
I'm happy now with Klopp but I reckon Raffa would now do s great job as
well.
Good luck to him at Newcastle.
And it'll be great to see him back next year.

30 Oct 2016 23:44:59
Can one of the eds let me know the truth about an old rumour. TO do with Alonso not wanting to go to play in a game away v Barcelona as his wife was about to give birth. I hear Benitez made him go and they fell out which (added to the fact Benitez tried to sell him to fund buying Barry (utter madness) ) led to Alonso wanting out. Ed Pls can you elaborate?

{Ed001's Note - Xabi never went, that was why they fell out. He went to his child's birth instead. I can't remember which game it was though.}

31 Oct 2016 00:34:45
I don't think this team is close to the one Rafa assembled with Torres, Alonso etc but saying that i don't think this team needs to be anywhere near that level to win the league. Chelsea, United Arsenal etc where far better teams then than they are now.

31 Oct 2016 04:14:15
Rafa's team was the most complete team we had in past 20 years. Alonso-Masch-Gerrard the best midfield ever.

31 Oct 2016 07:04:27
Alonso skipped the Inter game i think Ed001. To be fair to him, we already had the tie wrapped up in the first leg from what i remember.

{Ed001's Note - it was the birth of his child. To be fair to him, family is the most important thing in life and Rafa knows that now and has admitted since he got it wrong.}

31 Oct 2016 08:01:15
Precisely what i said Ed001. We were going through against Inter irrespective of whether Xabi played or not so Rafa definitely messed that up. Good to know that Rafa acknowledged his mistake on that. Don't know what was worse; getting rid of Xabi or trying to replace him with frigging Gareth Barry!

{Ed001's Note - losing Xabi was the big problem. He was a class above anyone else in the world at that time, in his role in the team.}

31 Oct 2016 08:12:19
You are wrong Ed001. Losing Xabi was THE ONLY PROBLEM in our squad back then. Gerrard and Mascherano completely fell apart after Xabi left and it cost our team 2 and a half world class players. Even worse, there was not even a half decent replacement available in the market back then. There is Verrati now, but even he is ordinary compared to what Xabi could do.

{Ed001's Note - Mash was never that good anyway, Alonso made him look good as he was always there covering for his headless chicken runs.}

31 Oct 2016 08:23:38
Imagine that team with a present-day Klopp at the helm. Nothing against Rafa but Jurgen seems to get an extra 10% out of his players.

31 Oct 2016 08:59:18
I agree Annie, though I liked Rafa and wish him all the best, compared to Klopp he's far behind, to of had that kind of team under Klopp it'd of been a different story. But the exciting thing to me about this, is he's improving the team week in week out, just look at Hendo to me he's just improving and improving he's outstanding at the moment and I beleive he will just keep getting better not to mention the rest of the squad, the team we have today in my eyes is better then the team rafa had or atleast it has more potential, our defence improves we're more or less complete.

31 Oct 2016 09:56:33
Rafa would have won the EL against Sevilla by 1-0 Absolutely no question on it and if people think he is not better than klopp needs a head check. I love klopp but tactically Rafa is some country miles better than rest.

31 Oct 2016 10:29:18
I agree with you Harry 100%.

31 Oct 2016 10:37:17
Harry I couldn't disagree more, another ridiculous post from you. Yes rafa was good there's no doubt about that. But better then Klopp I think you need to give your head a bang mate. How can you say rafa would've won it against them lol stupid statement.

31 Oct 2016 10:47:06
Not sure how is that a ridiculous post LFC16. Its my opinion and fact. Rafa knows how to see out a game at 1-0. You are too young to rememeber Rafa did such against some heavyweights during his tenure. He beat a Barcelona 2-0, Inter 1-0 and Real 1-0. Sevilla is no match.
Once you score a goal and then you realise you are being pressed high up by the oppostiion, You make tactical changes to prevent such.

31 Oct 2016 15:31:50
Too young to remember? Let's not argue about who is older now kidda lol. Tell me how it's fact when it didn't happen?

31 Oct 2016 17:31:19
What did not happen LFC16. Rafa all in his life has won football matches due his tactical brilliance. He wijldcgsvd walked away with EL against Sevilla. There are only very few who could tactically outclass Rafa.

31 Oct 2016 19:10:14
Yes Harry and Klopp is one of them mate.

01 Nov 2016 01:23:58
Harry, you have no idea if Rafa would have beaten Sevilla so your post makes no sense. Very few who can outclass Rafa? I know Carlo outclassed him in the CL final vs Milan and so did Luis Enrique when he got hammered at Real vs Barcelona and many more I can't remember right now. You seem to make a lot of generalizations and blanket statements in your posts which make very little sense. Btw, you opinion cannot at the same time be a fact. No wonder the Ed's and many others give you so much stick for the stuff you post.

01 Nov 2016 19:42:29
I doubt that any of them would be suited to klopps method bar Stevie and Suarez.
I don't think the rest could deal with the tempo of pressing.

30 Oct 2016 19:35:54
Hi eds, would Gomez not be a good option at left back if he comes back from injury, I saw him at anfield august last year before he got injured and looked really good, I would have Alexander Arnold over Moreno in fact I'd have anyone over Moreno.

{Ed001's Note - not for me, Moreno did well yesterday, why so down on him?}

30 Oct 2016 20:12:28
Yeah got to give Moreno credit where it's due, he's not been bad at all.

30 Oct 2016 20:22:15
I still think Moreno's got too much defensive ill-discipline. Left that Spurs player wide open when 2-1 up because he didn't track back, and for Palace's second goal, his closing down of the player who crossed the ball was extremely poor, stood about 3 yards away from him with his hands behind his back. What kind of defending is that? When a ball goes out wide to a winger, he immediately skips over with his hands behind his back and backs off from the opponent. It's so frustrating. I couldn't watch the game, and if he played well then I applaud him, but it's the exception not the rule.

30 Oct 2016 20:25:33
He will flourish in a 3-4-3. Unfortunately he is due to resume his normal service.

30 Oct 2016 20:31:24
Thinking out Of The box here, (Moreno's performance on Sat as a natural left footer made me think of it) but Milner as RB Vs Clyne, I'm sure Milners attacking end product would be better than Clynes. His defensive abilities are similar.
If Moreno reverts to type Miller moves over and Clyne comes on.
Just a thought.

30 Oct 2016 21:08:17
Spot on, Nick. Moreno may be a work in progress but his his defensive indiscipline ans a chronic inability to wanna get stuck in and take a cross in the body or face is a prob. Clyne and many other FB players have this knack or hands behind your back to avoid a penalty yet by doing that, they can't close a player down properly and that has cost us goals in the past and still does. But he and Clyne had decent games but need improvement.

30 Oct 2016 21:09:26
Moreno has all the attributes for a full back. The only thing is he dives in with unnecessary rushed tackles that give away frees and penalties.

Rob Jones gave an interview a few weeks back about being a full back.
He said all the full back has to do is make his attacker pass backwards,
Job done
No need to dive in at all its all about positioning yourself.

By the way Rob Jones was top top drawer.

30 Oct 2016 21:27:23
Spot on, Dermot. But fullbacks don't or simply can't do that anymore because of the way they are now being coached.

30 Oct 2016 21:51:03
Moreno was excellent on Saturday and he played well against Spurs. He's only young and still learning. Going forward I don't there's anyone better than him. His defending is showing signs of improvement. Let's get behind the lad.

30 Oct 2016 22:07:21
There is a top defender in Moreno if he can just remain disciplined and i'm sure he has spent the past month or so working on just that as well as watching how Milner has played. let's get behind the lad - he's been pretty solid on his two games back so far. He even looks like he's bulked up a bit.

30 Oct 2016 22:28:21
One positive was the pass to Can for the goal
I am not sure if he meant it or even saw Can coming into the box or was just a hopefully ball into the danger area as there were several palace defenders near the ball but just showed more desire to get there

Negatives, at 2-1 in the last 5 mins was left stranded upfield and out of position
Last ditch flying tackles with the wrong leg trying to hook the ball, these types of tackles are reckless and can easily result in penalties or red cards
Not closing down and preventing crosses
Turning his back on attackers
The most annoying part of his play is the flinging himself to the ground once he has been caught fannying about on the ball and is about to lose possession and then tries to buy a free kick from the lightest of touches

I am not sure he has improved enough to warrant a place in the team
He is not really a youngster either 23-24.

31 Oct 2016 01:45:12
Moreno does not have mental attributes to be a fullback. I don't mean to call him dumb, but he just doesn't get how to be a proper fullback. His tackling style is absolutely wild and his sense of positioning is poor. You would think it would be drummed into him by now that when you're marking and jockeying a wide man, you're supposed to force him as far to the sideline as possible. and get as close to him as possible? For Palace's second, he just gives the guy a free cross by standing yards away like an idiot with his hands behind his back! He's been doing it ever since he arrived, and you'd think he learned by now.

I don't agree that you keep Moreno in just because of this 'don't change a winning team' general rule of thumb. Milner, who is first-choice and has been doing a very solid job, doesn't deserve to be dropped just because he was ill for one game.

31 Oct 2016 11:07:52
I've got t be honest, I wasn't impressed with Moreno on the weekend, caught goal side once and his attempted clearance went straight to a Palace player in a dangerous area, covered well by his teammates on that occasion but he didn't show me his spell on the sidelines have taught him much.
Don't get me wrong, he was a world away from the horror showing at Arsenal but I wouldn't keep him in the side based on this performance.

31 Oct 2016 11:24:10
I would imagine Milner will be back in as soon as he recovers. We don't actually know what was up with him do we? He has been doing a brilliant job and brings his attacking skills to back up his defensive ability. He is a very much better player than some on here would give him credit for.

30 Oct 2016 22:46:31
Moreno did better than many expected him to. Wasn't perfect but it's an improvement. Klopp says he's knuckling down and working hard in training so there's obviously no attitude problem, just some defensive frailties. If he keeps trying, keeps a good attitude and Keeps improving, then that's fine with me. I'd rather have that than someone with ability but a poor attitude.

30 Oct 2016 18:19:52
Ed its 10 games over. Its time for review of wijnaldum?

{Ed002's Note - He is a decent player that Liverpool paid well over the odds for to satisfy some needs of Klipperty.}

30 Oct 2016 19:24:23
Ha ha ha. That would shut plenty of lips here. Ed02 at her usual best.

30 Oct 2016 20:22:27
Wij willl prove to be a really good signing far better than one season wonder Kante.

{Ed001's Note - Kante one season wonder? Clearly have no knowledge of football if you think that! He has been top class for 3 or 4 seasons now. Thought we were supposed to be knowledgeable fans??}

30 Oct 2016 20:33:08
Ed001s thought you you of all eds would spot a wind up 😜.

{Ed001's Note - apologies, I just read that on site after site from people talking about Kante after Chelsea bought him. It amazes me that no one knew who he was before he signed for Leicester, when just about every top team in Europe had tracked him but only dismissed him due to his height.}

30 Oct 2016 20:39:20
A midfield of Henderson and Kante would win the title by Feb. hHe is the best in his position by some mile. I would have tripled his salary and offered a £5mi more than Chelsea, tapped the calls, move heaven and earth to get him. He is a million mile better than Wijnaldum.

30 Oct 2016 20:42:54
I know ed I. Just wish we had bought him then 😟.

{Ed001's Note - if we had decent scouts we could have done.}

30 Oct 2016 21:14:15
Acer, I watched a French documentary on the French channel L'Equipe about the rise of Ngolo Kante and believe me, Ed is right. Your scouts don't have to be outstanding. They literally have to be out of this world to have found a player like him by watching said documentary.

30 Oct 2016 21:54:38
Kante is excellent probs one of the best if not the best in the leagggue but Wijnaldum i like the look off, yes he's nowhere near Kante's level but he's not doing too bad imo.

30 Oct 2016 22:07:55
Don't know why Chinny is so down on Wijnaldum.
Are you scared of being proven a doubter?

30 Oct 2016 23:25:10
oh, careful! sounds like support!

31 Oct 2016 01:25:10
Wijjy can play Am or winger well enough when called upon. Can kante? I rest my case.

31 Oct 2016 11:56:13
---abuse deleted---

{Ed002's Note - It is a great pity that Liverpool still has brain dead rubbish like you as so called supporters. Don't come back.}

30 Oct 2016 15:44:44
Entertaining game, great result and a lot of positives (with a few negatives) to take from it.

Positives:

- deadly attack
- coutinho and firmino's excellence
- strong midfield performance
- big improvements in Moreno
- Matip looking like one of the signings of the summer
- actually killing a game off!


Negatives:

- should/ could of scored 3 or 4 easily
- Lovren showing many of the weaknesses in his game and contributing to both their goals
- didn't bury the game before half-time
- fans absolutely savaging Karius after 5 games: embarrassing.


It's been an incredible art to the season - i'm loving watching us play. So exciting and creative, we really do look excellent this season. Title-challenge? Difficult to say, lot of teams with a lot of quality looking good (and consistent) this season. One game at a time and see were that takes us I guess.

30 Oct 2016 16:12:20
We did score 4 though?

30 Oct 2016 21:21:30
Seano, those savaging Karius should keep embarrassing themselves. Didn't hear them savaging Migs or Pepe after five games but suddenly, they think they know more than Koop wo like us saw enough of Migs to know that he's been awful. Karius is his choice and that's that. And if he doesn't come good, no prob. He will give Ward his shot because he's not going back to Migs again, IMO as Ward is already better than Migs.

31 Oct 2016 00:05:53
From my point of view we did not buy "DDG". Karius is still raw potential, he was always far from the finished article. He needs time and support to improve, he has the potential but he still has a long way to go.
Unbeaten for 11 games now yet people still have a pop at our players including Karius, Lovren and Wijnaldum? Shocking.

31 Oct 2016 10:37:53
@ Zespecialone - yes, you're right! That was a typo, meant to say we could of scored 3 or 4 MORE goals than we did.

30 Oct 2016 13:32:16
Ed001. That's two pretty good performances from Moreno in a row. I thought he was really good yesterday. You could perhaps be critical that he didn't get tight and stop the 2nd goal from ever being crossed in. Anyways,

You think we should stick with him for a bit? Or back to Milner? Or perhaps make that change when we need a goal?

{Ed001's Note - you don't change a winning team unless you have to, imo. Stick with Moreno for now, reward him for playing well. If he has a stinker in the future, then drop him.}

30 Oct 2016 14:00:22
milner playing lb raised morenos game. he has to keep improving to keep his place. the benefits of having proper competition for places.

30 Oct 2016 14:04:33
Back to Milner. It puts pressure on Milner but milners been fantastic for Klopp. Morenos susceptible to madness on the pitch. Good for one game isn't the same as what milners offered all season.
One player I personally would change or be opened to changing is Lallana in the next few games if he reverts back to holding up the ball and move. Sturridge and origi are ready to perform .

30 Oct 2016 15:08:44
Agree with the Lallana shout, my midfield 3 would ideally be hendo, Emre and Wijnaldum.

30 Oct 2016 15:30:37
Henderson and can midfield. Coutinho ahead, then mane, Firminho. Sturridge/ origi.

30 Oct 2016 15:33:06
He's played well enough to keep his spot IMO. Credit were credit is due the lad was dropped and replaced - some would have sulked, some would have given up - and he's worked hard and comeback with a couple of good performances. His positioning and, most notably, his desire to get back were noticeable yesterday as he rarely, if ever, got caught too high up the pitch. He needs to keep working hard on his game but if he does improve and put in consistently good performances it will improve us - as others have mentioned he can offer a lot going forward, if he can start to defend and position himself properly he can do well.

30 Oct 2016 16:06:33
Normally i would agree 100% with not changing a winning team but Moreno does give me nightmares. Interesting choice Klopp will have in the next PL game and i think he will chose Milner.

30 Oct 2016 12:31:05
Hello everyone

Just want to hear your thoughts on Firmino picking up a yellow for the shirt off celebration. He's absolutely a beast and my favorite Liverpool player, but he has this tendency to "want to" take his shirt off after every goal he scores and finally did yesterday. I don't want the lad missing any game, least because of accumulating stupid yellow cards.

30 Oct 2016 12:36:15
I thought that goal killed the game beyond Palace reach and hence took the shirt off. Moreover that finish was just world class.

30 Oct 2016 12:46:16
it was unnecessary imo.

im not talking about the rules on taking your shirt off, bt the action of doing something while being fully aware that youll get booked.

whether it should be a yellow or not is another topic.

probably the only thing i don't like to see from my favourite player tbf.

30 Oct 2016 12:55:36
The vision and weighted pass from Hendo was just as class.

30 Oct 2016 12:58:46
SCM not at all related to OP.
Silly way to pick up a yellow. could come back to bite us!

30 Oct 2016 13:39:04
Indeed it was a great goal, and settled some nerves, but he has the knack of wanting to do it every time he scores. To be fair he has controlled himself on more than one occasion, but picking up a yellow card for that is a bit stupid considering he's usually the brightest and sharpest player on the pitch. Hope klopp gets it sorted.

30 Oct 2016 14:00:59
Probably he got lost in the moment.

30 Oct 2016 14:16:42
I like it to be honest. Knows it will get him a yellow card but does it anyway, because he's in the moment and wants to celebrate.

If Firmino got five yellow cards for taking his shirt off and missed a game it would just highlight how ridiculous a rule this is and that it clearly needs rethinking.

30 Oct 2016 14:57:09
It wouldn't though Joe, it would just highlight the complete stupidity of some footballers not being able to follow simple rules. As. Someone else above said, whether it should be a yellow or not is irrelevant, it's the rules right now and any player should get fined by his club for that. There'll always be mistimed challenges and even the occasional "taking one for the team. " We need him in as many games as possible and getting paid that highly to be a professional should mean just that, you act like a pro. If / when he misses a game for accumulated yellows I just hope it doesn't cost us.

30 Oct 2016 15:30:19
It's the rules and if you intentionally break it your only helping the opposition.

30 Oct 2016 15:36:15
I don't really care asking he don't get a red card.

30 Oct 2016 15:37:58
@Lfc hopeful - this isn't like working in Starbucks though this is scoring an important, result-clinching goal. The game is emotional and the players, though professional, are not immune to those emotions. If the club wants to piss off one of its best players for getting emotional about scoring for the club then a fine would be a great way of doing that.

30 Oct 2016 16:16:46
And when he can't play in a game because of that the club should just accept that? I know it's emotional but you don't have to take your shirt off! If it wouldn't get him punished he could take his whole kit off for all I care, but let's say he misses the city game in a few weeks cause he picks up a few more yellow, how stupid would that be!?

30 Oct 2016 18:24:55
Its an emotionl game. you can't have this debate wihout accepting the point that the rule itself is just bollocks. Players yelling obsenities and gesturing like wild animals to the refs and linesman get nothing and then you get a yellow for taking your shirt off in celebration of a goal? Just crazy.

{Ed002's Note - The rule is there because the FA are looking to find more and more ways to penalise LIverpool - you are right, it is a conspiracy.}

30 Oct 2016 19:49:00
I don't think individuals mean it as a conspiracy towards Liverpool ed2. People can vent their feelings at will and be it Liverpool or any other team receiving a yellow, I am against that rule. I think you need to maybe take a break from this site if Liverpool fans stress you out to the point were you throw vile remarks towards them. Or maybe just comment on the team that you support but I'm sure that will put u out of work with not much to do. Cheers. Hope this gets posted as I am sure people have a right to vent their feelings just like the eds.

{Ed002's Note - You may like to see young men topless, and given by you showing what a wanker you are with the rest of you post it is no suprise. I remain astonished at the amount of little Johnny Jerkoffs that support Liverpool and get pissed when anyoneone suggests that they should not be looking at these smooth-skinned young men. I suspect you have a career in waxing men ahead of you - and of course a very large Kleenex bill. I love it when you really embarrass yourselves like this.}

31 Oct 2016 00:21:05
It is ridiculously stupid to take your shirt off.
I know it's an emotional game but outside of St James' Park how many fans take their shirts off when they're emotional? How many other sports do it? Tennis players do it when they're sweaty but that's about all I can think of. I would prefer to see it eradicated from the game to be honest, it's not something I want to see at the match.

31 Oct 2016 01:41:45
of all the things I don't want to see at a football match, in order, it'd be along these lines:

1-any kind of abuse from fans, racial, homophobic, mocking tragedies etc
2-abusing officials
3-diving
4-50/ 50 handballs / fouls that don't get called in the box just because it is in the box - why not call an indirect free kick if you don't think it worthy of a pen!
5-Liverpool players making mistakes. although arguably this could be #1 on me list.

30 Oct 2016 21:19:33
not really sure what your reply has to do with my comment ed002. the rule in general is stupid, it's nothing to do with Liverpool. but we are talking about it because the specific example was in our game.

back to the rule, I just think it's small fry especially when ya think about all the other rubbish that goes on on the pitch and in the stands, I'd hazard a guess that there are far more important things in the game to be stamping out than a dude flexing his muscles to celebrate scoring a goal.

{Ed002's Note - It is a pitiful excuse you are using because a particularly stupid player got himself booked.}

30 Oct 2016 22:54:01
I know what you're saying. But every now and then I like to see the consequences ignored and ridiculous rules contradicted, rather than just blindly abided.

PS. pretty homophobic Ed :s.

{Ed002's Note - I assume you don't know what "homophobic" means. BUt you are right, clubs like Liverpool should not need to have to adhere to the rules like others. Pitiful.}

31 Oct 2016 14:39:36
Normally like Ed2's jokes at our expense and take them in jest, but I really don't think you should be mocking a fan for liking to see "young men topless" and needing Kleenex afterwards.

So what if that was true Ed? In this case I think you're making yourself look foolish.

To the original point, Firmino was stupid to take his top off in my opinion, he knew it was going to be a yellow and it cost me 1 point for my fantasy team! Lovely goal though.

{Ed002's Note - I imagine a great number of Liverpool fans are like that - hardly making myself look foolish.}

31 Oct 2016 14:58:03
I think I was being polite with foolish to be honest. Maybe inappropriate would be another way of putting it. Or possibly something worse, either way, probably best to avoid such topics.

As I said, your usual posts make me laugh, but this one wasn't funny and I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve from it.

{Ed002's Note - One damp patch after another. If you are offended then dont use the site anymore.}

30 Oct 2016 08:42:19
Hi eds, Has there been any talk of liverpool offering any contract extensions to players?


thanks.

{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry, not asked about it.}

30 Oct 2016 11:08:12
I think a few of the youngsters was offered new deals last week, I'm sure I saw something about it somewhere unless I dreamt it.

30 Oct 2016 03:06:41
Dear ED'S, What could be done to tighten up in the back other than training and tactics? Do you ever see Klopp playing 4-4-2 ?

{Ed001's Note - no.}

30 Oct 2016 10:04:53
It should tighten up naturally as Karius and matip settle, some of the errors might be cut out then.

30 Oct 2016 10:21:06
Marking your man in the box and not a zone would be a start.

30 Oct 2016 10:41:09
NOghjng to do with Matip. Lovren is the problem. Mario has been brilliant so far.

31 Oct 2016 10:47:06
To be fair most teams don't tend to have loads of chances against us they just seem to convert (or be gifted) the few that do come there way. If we remove the errors and lapses in concentration we'll be grand - I don't actually think it's a tactical issue.

30 Oct 2016 00:04:22
Hi ed001, are you going to do a match review for today please?

{Ed001's Note - yep just done it.}

30 Oct 2016 07:38:02
The Karius hating has got to stop. He's played 5 ****ing games! It will probably take him 1 year to adjust and possibly another until we see his true potential. De gea was far worse at the beginning but people forget about that because of how good he is now.

I don't understand how Karius is taking the flack for their first goal either. Lovren completely shafted him.

30 Oct 2016 07:43:04
We need to stop comparing everyone with DDG. Some might turn out to be Morientes as well. UTD paid close to £23 mill for DDG because the lad was first class. There was no doubt on his quality.

30 Oct 2016 08:54:17
I have to agree with Harry here, of course let's all give our opinions on Karius but this constant rubbish comparing him to De Gea is bordering on the comical. How he has, is and will perform has nothing in the world to do with DevGea or any other keeper. He is his own man and his destiny is in his own hands (and feet lol) . Please give up on the DDG comparisons it makes for very poor reading, just because the Ed said it once doesn't mean everyone else needs to repeat it everytime they see the word Karius.
Stick to stating the facts like Ed did in His very comprehensive match review above.

30 Oct 2016 09:22:28
Don't see that Karius could have stopped either goal, both were a result of brain farts by the defence. Give the lad a chance.

30 Oct 2016 10:12:11
Couldn't agree more 87.

30 Oct 2016 10:14:16
Il tell you what, give me a year playing for a perm side on stupid amounts of money and don't say a word about me until after a year, that's a stupid thing to say . He's not good enough.

30 Oct 2016 10:15:51
Has anyone even commented on his great save at the near post from Benteke?

30 Oct 2016 10:53:12
Ron

Yes that was a great save but He don't look convincing to me. Not sure if it's the new league blah blah is the excuse. He was the same old keeper back in Germany as well.
He is without a doubt better than Migs but then Migs was championship quality.

30 Oct 2016 13:14:31
I'm not for one second comparing his potential to DDG. I'm simply saying it can take time for a young goalkeeper to settle into the BPL. I only think it's fair that he's given much longer than 5 games before judging. How is that not reasonable?

30 Oct 2016 13:16:30
Connectlogic, there is no logic to your thinking hence, your post make no sense. If every club followed your thinking, we would need a transfer window every month because to u, a new player, in a new club, new country etc., needs only a month or five games to adjust and if not, they should be canned. Were u saying tge same thing after five games when Migs was in goal?

29 Oct 2016 21:17:50
Match review ed?
Coutinho is finally finding consistency and he is a terrific player, I'm loving it!

{Ed001's Note - I am just trying to put it together now, I fell asleep last night while going through the match again to actually see it properly. Coutinho is a little gem, a difference maker, we are much better for having him in the team.}

30 Oct 2016 07:45:01
Lol just like Sterling not so long ago some here wanted to drive him personally to PSG for what?
Philippe Coutinho is a naturally gifted player who only improves. You don't buy such.

30 Oct 2016 08:50:39
We did buy such. From Milan, remember?
Plus if we had Sterling again, i would still drive him to PSG or Manchester for 50m.

30 Oct 2016 10:33:13
Complete nonsense. Naturally gifted players are bought and sold everyday. It's part of the game. And the Sterling sale stil makes sense today. The money received, and spent, is partialy responsible for the success of today. No guarantee that Sterling would have helped this team in any major way. (I'll take a Sadio Mane over Sterling any day of the week! )

30 Oct 2016 01:36:57
Anyone else notice that firmino seems to have unnaturally white teeth? I wonder if he has an obsession with teeth whitening sessions. I also think coutinho may be following suit as he seems to have extremely white teeth as well now. Take a look at the various training photos on the official club site and you'll see what I mean. Lol!

30 Oct 2016 05:48:30
Lol How did you find enough time during the match to check their teeth? Ha ha.

30 Oct 2016 06:14:24
Funny I was thinking the same thing during the game yesterday.

30 Oct 2016 07:14:50
I've noticed too. Hard to miss when celebrating a goal sweet chin!

30 Oct 2016 08:50:27
Noticed coiple weeks ago. Was liking shining spotlifht from his mouth!

30 Oct 2016 09:22:50
it is a legacy from BR's time!

30 Oct 2016 09:48:29
I thought he was wearing extremely slim mouthguards, his teeth were perfect though not as good as his finish.

30 Oct 2016 10:17:05
Funnily enough I did notice haha
Maybe he found a few of Brendan's old products laying around.

30 Oct 2016 14:59:03
havent you heard? brazil don't allow yellow teeth in their teams.

30 Oct 2016 01:26:26
Coutinho was absolutely magical today, he always seemed to be able to find space in between the lines with his intelligent movement and opened up the Palace defence time and time again with some sumptuous passes. What we saw today and in recent games were the signs of Coutinho maturing as a player: his decision making is getting much better, as shown by the long shots decreasing and attempted through balls increasing, in fact I only remember him shooting inside the box despite the possibility of long shots due to our possession, (these long shot attempt would usually be taken out of frustration), instead he is electing to play a number of delicious through balls, most of which are inch perfect. He is also finding the consistency that separates very good players from world class players. Joel Matip has been a revelation in defence and I still can't believe we got him on a free. Firmino was quality once again, his wonderful dinked finish was Romario esq, his skill and movement is out of this world at times and his work rate is just as good, he is also a great finisher and dribbler, special mention to Jordan Henderson for that sumptuous through ball for the Firmino goal, he is making the No.6 role his own and is proving himself an excellent player to those who did not already believe him to be.

30 Oct 2016 01:49:57
Why are people giving Karius so much flak for the first goal? It looked like Lovren shaped that mis-kick as a back-pass. In such a split second moment, Karius needed to weigh up whether he runs the high risk of conceding a free kick inside the box by using his arms, or tries to get his body in front of the ball to stop a goal. It's always easy for us in hindsight to decide which was the better choice.

If Lovren headed that ball, or the ball got there there via some other means, like a deflection, I have no doubt that Karius would have used his arms.

30 Oct 2016 00:24:13
Just an observation but anybody else wonder why karius didn't come out with arms up for their first goal. i just don't understand a gk doing that.

30 Oct 2016 01:01:08
Couldn't agree more I personally think he has been shocking for us apart from distribution is better than mings.
hopefully he will get better and rival de gea etc in the premiership as best keeper if honest can't see it happening but would love to be proved wrong.

30 Oct 2016 01:51:21
I thought he kept his arms down and attempted to head Lovren's ball away, but MacArthur beat him to it.

Also super random, but Karius has pretty long hair for a keeper. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of another keeper whose hair is that long. I hope it doesn't get in his eyes at an inopportune moment. The boy needs a headband.

30 Oct 2016 02:12:09
So it's Karius' fault that Lovren hung him out to dry. The fact that some are blaming Karius for the first goal shows that many are just negative for no reason. IMO. Karius had a very good game and can build from this.

30 Oct 2016 03:47:32
I think he may have thought that he couldn't handle the ball because it would have been regarded as a back pass? And he thought he was going to get to it before the Palace player.

30 Oct 2016 04:07:21
Wondered what was going on in his head. He is not much of a shot stopper, but impressive with build up play.

30 Oct 2016 21:38:11
Xpertoyin, whose head, Karius or Lovren?

31 Oct 2016 10:06:29
I'm not slating our keeper, I don't slate our players.