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30 Jun 2017 21:56:04
Edds can you see sako heading to the saints. crystal palace seemed to have walked away because of his price. Just a thought if their new manager once was a reds centre half he might think sako is a good buy.
{Ed002's Note - No.}
30 Jun 2017 22:01:50
Thanks.
30 Jun 2017 22:25:49
Is there any teams showing interest at the money we want eds?
{Ed002's Note - No.}
30 Jun 2017 19:46:20
With VVD looking very difficult, maybe a move for Athletico Madrid Centre Back Jose Gimenez, would definitely be available for less, and seen a bit of Naby Keita last year and it will be the most exciting transfer I've seen in a while if we pull it off!
30 Jun 2017 22:26:41
They have a transfer ban and I dou t they'd sell when they couldn't replace him.
01 Jul 2017 00:41:25
Relax VVD will sign, I'm really confident. Player power always wins.
01 Jul 2017 08:20:39
Not always, Sahko and Saints are known for digging their heels in. Just ask Schneiderlein, Wanyama and a certain Sadio Mane. They were kept against their wishes but eventually moved the season after.
01 Jul 2017 09:13:29
Fair point but let's just say I would be stunned if we don't get him this Summer.
30 Jun 2017 19:35:44
Hello all, first time poster here. Have been reading though some of the discussion points on these forums, a very interesting read I must say!
30 Jun 2017 19:50:27
Welcome.
30 Jun 2017 18:35:13
So our biggest problem last season was CB and fullbacks and our answer is to offer 60 or 70 million for another midfield and 6.5 million for a defender. Shouldn't the 60 or 70 million be used to a CB or fullback and address the real problem in the team?
30 Jun 2017 18:49:29
With on on the lb issue but have faith in vvd becoming one of us.
30 Jun 2017 18:52:42
For me, defending is a dying art. Nobody can do it properly anymore.
Dean Saunders was quoted as saying this morning "you can organise a defence" and he is right. If Pulis and Allardyce are able to get average players to keep our world class players like Sanchez end Aguero that says it all really.
The best centre backs in Europe are Bonucci and Chiellini. The best keeper is Buffon. The best full backs were Alves and Sandro. Yet somehow Real Madrid still absolutely ripped them to pieces simply through being too good going forward to stop.
The beat defence in Europe was still no match for the best attack on the day.
I guess that is why attackers are worth so much more. Because in the last 30 years, attacking has been perfect. Meanwhile, defenders have become ball playing centre backs and full backs have become wing backs. Even the keepers are now sweepers! Midfield destroyer? No, deep lying playmaker.
You see the trend? Defending is now about not giving the ball away in the first place. That is why attackers cost more, and rightly so. Because good defenders are a rarity.
30 Jun 2017 19:05:49
Based on that Scouser a player like VVD should be horribly expensive. as he is arguably one of the rarest finds in modern football.
30 Jun 2017 19:11:03
Was our biggest problemistake cb and left back though? Or was it the players in front not protecting them enough. I can not remember James milner doing anything wrong defensively and it was more a case of how badly organised our defence was made it improved towards the end of the season but honestly buy all the world's best defenders and we are are still going to concede goals. It's hope klopps teams plays. Attacking and high pressing.
30 Jun 2017 19:20:18
Saunders was an awful manager, I would ignore most of what he says.
30 Jun 2017 20:30:02
Can people not just wait till the end of the transfer win before they moan about stuff jeez.
30 Jun 2017 20:33:57
There is nothing rare about VVD even tho he is very talented. His flaws are there and well documented. There are other CB's out there like Jose Jimenez of Athleti we could get who is much better, more proven internationally and in the PL and cheaper than VVD.
30 Jun 2017 20:35:04
I agree with kopdog on this I'm not sure our problem was at cb at all or defensively at fb. Our problem has been set pieces and getting caught on the break. The full backs are not good enough offensively so push high up and do nothing. Then we get broken on with the centre backs hopelessly exposed. Just my take on things.
30 Jun 2017 22:56:14
Exactly lallanas banana. Matip and even lovren, who seems to have now settled in after a poor 1st season, are top quality cbs and better than most in the league. Look at United for one. They had are great defensive record and bar Bailly I wouldn't let any of their cb options in my local reserve team.
{Ed025's Note - take the red tinted ones off kopdog, lovren is crap and matip average...lay off the drugs mate..
30 Jun 2017 23:17:54
Brussels how is Jose Giminez more tested in the premier league? Besides, Atletico have a transfer ban, so then selling is unlikely.
01 Jul 2017 08:22:12
Sorry, I meant to say more tested in Europe and internaltionally, Hansen. And you are right, they are under a ban right now. My mistake, bro.
30 Jun 2017 18:32:33
We need to make a massive statement and spend big on Keita. Not only does this show that we're wearing big boy pants it sends a message to players that we're not wallowing in past successes. We have a modern forward thinking coach, a breathtaking style of play and want to add to past successes. We aren't some backwater club in the North West of England wearing cloth hats and walking to the match on cobbled streets. We are Liverpool FC damn it and when we sign Keita and the big Dutch guy watch us soar to unsaparsed heights!
30 Jun 2017 20:36:59
I'm not interested in making statements of intent, personally. I am interested in getting the right players and not getting mugged by a club for a player who deep down, is not interested in us.
30 Jun 2017 18:04:06
If we do sign Keita. where does he play? Hendo is captain and best in that role, if couts is moved to midfield and you assume mane and salah start. would that mean benching lallana and wiki!? Like know we have games but still means they'd start the vast majority of them.
30 Jun 2017 18:36:13
Having a few different options is a great 'problem' to have, especially with increased games and injury concerns.
We missed Hendo for large portions of last season, and it cost us. Also, losing Mane and Couts to injuries at different times.
Add Keita and Salah into the 3-3 of our 4-3-3 and suddenly you have great options, both to cover absences and also to breakdown the less expansive teams as we did last season.
Its not like we have a dozen players competing for 2 roles, I believe Salah and Keita (if/ when he joins) strengthen both our squad and our first team, therefore I am happy.
30 Jun 2017 19:04:38
In my eyes Hendo v can will be the tough call. Coutinho and kieta will be first choice. With Wijnaldum and Lallana in and out backup. Seriously exciting options. Must keep philippe though. He will still be our maestro talisman.
30 Jun 2017 17:32:11
Eds quick questions if you don't mind. Last year there was all the talk of our loanees having to play 75% of games (if I remember correctly) . With those players who didn't play that amount, is there any financial (or otherwise) penalties if the loaning club didn't fulfill their end of the deal. Just curious to be honest! Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - No, if the don't play the club would take them back and loan them elsewhere if they wanted to.}
30 Jun 2017 16:49:14
With our defensive frailties hopefully being addressed with a cb and again hopefully a lb coming in I can't help feeling that the issue of a commanding gk has been put on the back burner.
I know Klopp has been fairly supportive of our goalkeepers but still feel this is still an area of concern
I like a keeper to be good with crosses and barking instructions to the defense and we don't have that.
There are some good keepers particularly in Spain (Jan Oblak at Atletico (23yrs old), Ruffier at St Etienne (older at 30yrs old) )
Thoughts?
30 Jun 2017 17:15:06
Don't think we need one. Migs, Karius and Ward should have enough in the to keep each other on their toes.
30 Jun 2017 17:18:21
Oblak isn't going to happen. Madrid won't sell a top keeper while they can't buy and the price would be astronomical, Rufier isn't better than either of our current keepers. Plus Mignolet appears to have turned a corner and pulled out some really good performances last season, improved his overall game as well as being consistent. So I don't see the point?
30 Jun 2017 18:36:48
I'll throw my two cents in with My Two Cents.
30 Jun 2017 20:39:03
Oblak ain't coming and even if he came, we don't have the defence that he has at AM, which is one of the stingiest in Europe.
30 Jun 2017 16:17:49
BBC reporting that we're 'willing to pay a club record fee for Keita. ' We all knew it would take a club record fee to get him but will we pay £60-70m is the question.
30 Jun 2017 16:33:23
If we were willing to pay £50 mill for VDV, I do expect a similar figure for Kieta. We will try to recoup as much possible from sales, somewhere in the region of £60-70 mill.
30 Jun 2017 16:38:38
I wonder if Klopp and FSG will pay that kind of money for a player. He might appear to be a critical part of the equation for Klopp, but that's a huge fee, up there with what the Machester clubs and Chelsea would pay for a player. We have generally not been active in that area of the transfer market.
30 Jun 2017 18:14:38
And look at the success the Manchester clubs and Chelsea have had iconic paying huge transfer fees. Chelsea and City have won premiership titles and United a European title that got them into the Champions League. We need to be active not reactive. As Harry Sykes says' this is a sign of the times'
30 Jun 2017 14:59:53
Afternoon Eds hope you are well, the abundance of knowledge that you collectively offer in terms of insight into the clubs dealings in how is it possible that these other users offer information from "sources" that at least one of the collective has not picked up on.
This is not a dig, its to highlight the inevitable as over the last few days we have seen a few user who supposedly are "in the know" basically announcing the usual media sweethearts i. e. Keita, VVD, and to a lesser Robertson.
I assume if there was any contracts agreed etc. this again constitutes tapping up without the parent clubs consent. Furthermore as I've said I trust your input on these dealing so to clarify to the collective if one of you has no info on these deals I assume we can disregard them.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - van Dyke and Keita are players the club wanted. Robertson was mentioned a while back but was not first choice. Again Salah was not first choice.}
30 Jun 2017 15:06:41
Thanks Ed2 in terms of what is being suggested though via others on here VVD and Keita are all set to hold up the shirt to the media. If this where the case I'm sure one of you would have been able to detail before anyone else from there "sources".
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any offer being made for Keita just yet and his club has made it clear they wish to keep him. After the humiliating statement the club made about VvD could they embarrass themselves further by a change of mind?}
30 Jun 2017 15:16:27
Cheers Ed2 as I thought hopefully makes your jobs a little easier, I doubt it though. Enjoy the weekend!
30 Jun 2017 15:36:37
Do you expect a bid to follow for Keita ed? Surely the club will have been made aware he is not for sale.
{Ed002's Note - If they want to make anything happen they do indeed need to make an offer that would be acceptable.}
30 Jun 2017 16:51:15
To answer your question BobbyJJones some posters may know ex players, coaching staff or journalists. I personally don't know anyone in Prem but I have at a few Italian clubs and at Real. I also know a few journalists but I'm always more sceptical of their info.
30 Jun 2017 20:35:26
Edo2 see wat your saying bout vvd but if it materialize that they are willing to sell (to us more money then pay the extra) thus not leaving the player in the cack and also paying over the odds to sort of make a mense.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has issued at statement saying they have withdrawn from interest in the player. It will be more embarrassment for the club and owners to go back on that.}
30 Jun 2017 14:54:16
Is anybody worried about the bluenoses across the park spending🤔 They going about they business quietly. maybe we should take a leaf out of their book and start dealing properly with other clubs instead of dragging the name of the club through the mud . it's getting embarrassing 👍.
30 Jun 2017 15:03:54
Not in the slightest. No top talent to speak of arrived there yet and let's be honest they needed a huge shakeup of that squad.
Pickford some will argue but even he has a long way to go before he is considered a top keeper he is potential for now.
30 Jun 2017 15:08:14
I'm jealous of the way they are doing things ie. Within the rules and nice and early.
Not sure I'm worried by them though. Pickford is a great signing who will improve them instantly but all the others they have signed and are looking to sign have a lot to prove before I will be worried! I suspect they will finish about 8th or 9th next season. I think they will struggle to finish ahead of Southampton and Newcastle who I envisage having very strong seasons under Rafa and Pellegrino.
30 Jun 2017 15:19:18
Its not too difficult to improve on last season's Everton squad. The players they have signed are decent but would not get into our first team at all. Plus they have Europe to contend with next season so their fortunes in the league are unlikely to change too much. Expect a 7th place finish from the Toffees next season.
30 Jun 2017 15:39:29
Not worried and not so sure their business is being done quietly either. Every deal agreed has been in the media prior to the agreement.
I get that we made a mistake with VVD however going on about our clubs name being dragged through the mud is a bit much. We handled the Salah deal rather well and Solanke didn't we?
30 Jun 2017 16:37:11
Let's not judge their players. The important point is they are signing their first choice players.
30 Jun 2017 17:56:31
Their first choice players are at a considerably lower level than ours though and are as such easier to sign. I'm not concerned by anyone they've signed so far it seems to me they are changing their squad rather than improving it by signing players at a similar level than the ones they already have. I will watch with interest.
30 Jun 2017 20:43:14
Harry, how do you know they are their first choice players? Did they tell you that or do you have inside info? Really don't care what our rivals do (Everton is no rival of ours in any way) cos overpaying for players who are inferior to ours, is what they have been doing for years. I would not want ANY of their players old or new.
{Ed025's Note - you lot make me bleedin laugh, just because the cretins that run your club could not organize a piss up in brewery you feel it fair game to have a pop at us!, a bit of jealousy me thinks, and as for none of our side getting in yours well now you are having a giraffe, all our defence is miles better than yours and gana walks in as well for the least talented brazillian that has ever lived, you lot need to get a grip and stop living in the past...NEWSFLASH...you are not a big club anymore and are not likely to be in the near future...so deal with it..
30 Jun 2017 22:07:59
Eds I agree you have a better defence but we MUCH stronger all over the rest of th park. and we are a big club as is Everton is a big club 👍 Just we are bigger than Everton regarding fan base throughout the world👍.
{Ed025's Note - i will have the last bit hmasson and you have a great history, i just fail to understand why when after all our years of deprivation why you would be so disparaging about our club mate..
30 Jun 2017 23:20:58
You do know Everton conceded more goals in the PL than the worst defence we have ever had? Just saying like!
{Ed025's Note - i will just ask then...would you trade our back 4 for yours?..
01 Jul 2017 00:55:12
No need to rise to the bait of some posters ed25. With Walsh and your new owners and with a bit of luck im sure Everton will be back at the top end of the table. Although i think next season might be a bit too early for top 4 but with the long term planning in place, in future derbys you won't have to resort to kicking us of the park :)
{Ed025's Note - i hope your right dilakh mate..
30 Jun 2017 14:11:58
The Ox was never a keita back up, he was a squad player and if he was happy with being that could come.
30 Jun 2017 14:11:58
The Ox was never a keita back up, he was a squad player and if he was happy with being that could come.
30 Jun 2017 14:37:22
He is happy not being a squad player at Arsenal.
30 Jun 2017 14:49:37
I think he's coming to play a right attacking full back instead of clyne. similar to the position he has played regularly for arsenal this season 👍.
30 Jun 2017 14:55:50
I know, hence why he isn't here 👍.
30 Jun 2017 13:54:55
Ed002 your here. Is there any substance to the keita rumours or are we trully out of negotiations with him.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any agreement with his club at this time.}
30 Jun 2017 14:53:36
If it's true ( and it's only what I've read ) that Keita has a £48 million buy out clause which kicks in next summer. Leipsig would be stupid not to accept a bigger offer for him now.
30 Jun 2017 16:21:32
Liver_La, depends on how high the offer, I would think. I'm guessing here, but, say £60m may not be worth it as they may think that the £12m 'loss' by selling him next year may be compensated by the positive impact he will have on the team and performance in 2017-18.
Also, I don't think English clubs benefit from the clause, so its now or never for us if we want him.
30 Jun 2017 20:45:37
The clause may not apply to English clubs as Firmino had a 14m release clause YET we paid 29m plus add ons for him cos his release clause did not apply to us.
30 Jun 2017 14:20:45
Attack-wise Couts and Firm have been excellent again, Mane was a great buy and Lallana has had the season of his life, but, let's chat about some of the concerns.
Lots of comments about what Klopp could do with this player and how he could improve that player but my query is what has he done to improve our current reserve players that makes so many feel he is a master of improving younger players?
In his two seasons here how many guys has he brought through to become starters or regular subs for the first team.
Also in two years he hasn't improved the defense one jot so maybe buying young defenders for him to improve is not the most clever thing to do as he hasn't improved the ones he's had during his tenure.
In my opinion we need a leader for defense who takes ownership of the gk and defensive unit as our coaching team haven't been able to do this in years. If that means breaking the bank I think it's money well spent, Rio and Terry did it for years very successfully and I'd love us to find our version, not sure if it's VVD but I'd hope we finally sort out the defense that has been our biggest failure during Klopp reign and previous to that.
30 Jun 2017 14:22:20
Totally agree mate. Let the bean counters take care of the money side of things, I just want our team to improve so we can push on up the table.
30 Jun 2017 14:31:33
Disagree on Lallana. He had his best season at LFC, but it still wasn't close to how good he was in his last season at Saints.
Completely agree that we need a leader at the back though. It is why I've primarily put Gibson forward. I know that on paper he is worse than Van Dijk at most things, but in reality he has the two most important traits; leadership and reading of the game. It is annoying though because we need Gibsons brain in Van Dijks body! Van Dijk has all the technical ability and physical attributes to be the best in the world, but he just doesn't know what he is doing.
30 Jun 2017 14:43:26
Defending is not his cup of tea I am afraid. His set up is to score and score more than the opposition. Our CB's are terrible and add it with the style we play and there is only one out come. I am sure even Hyypia would struggle in this set up. Or CB's are very slow and playing a high line with them is always a risk. Klopp is no fool not to understand this. He doesn't give a damn! His idea of football is excitement.
We are looking at offensive full back and there is your answer why we concede and what to look for next season!
However I do except some stability by brining a vey good CB, A LB and a CM / DM.
More than the players our system is not designed to play any pragmatic way of football but then there are players like Lovren who could spoil the entire party in one sec.
30 Jun 2017 15:21:33
Still hoping for Van Dijk but, if you want somebody vocal at the back, Go for Alfie Mawson.
30 Jun 2017 14:04:27
Gabrielle marcotti stated first thing this morning that terms agreed with Keita but not with red bull. if this is true and I have severe doubts about it, is this not construed as tapping up. Maybe I've misunderstood but this major concerns me.
30 Jun 2017 14:11:32
As far as I understand (which is pretty less) it's not tapping up if we have taken permission with his club to talk to the player. Which we did not do in VVD's case.
30 Jun 2017 14:14:11
It could be, if RBL know nothing about the player approach.
However, it could just be that all parties know a negotiation is ongoing, we have agreed with money with the player but have yet to agree the money with the club.
Could there also be a scenario, Eds, where the clubs have yet to engage in any negotiation over the fee, but the buying club has agreed the players remuneration with his agent?
30 Jun 2017 14:14:11
It could be, if RBL know nothing about the player approach.
However, it could just be that all parties know a negotiation is ongoing, we have agreed with money with the player but have yet to agree the money with the club.
Could there also be a scenario, Eds, where the clubs have yet to engage in any negotiation over the fee, but the buying club has agreed the players remuneration with his agent?
30 Jun 2017 14:44:37
You could talk to his agent which is what I guess we had done it now. Theoretically this is all illegal. An agent's mouth is as good as the player's.
30 Jun 2017 15:10:47
I doubt the player's WAG would agree with your last sentence, Harry.
30 Jun 2017 13:48:05
It's being reported on Sky that Crystal Palace have ended their interest in Sahko? Where;s the other interest eds? I'm guessing we're going to have to lower our fee demands.
{Ed002's Note - I would think so Eric.}
30 Jun 2017 13:52:37
Should have sold him for £20 mill which is his true value!
30 Jun 2017 14:20:13
He is more experienced than Nathan Ake who has just sold for £20m.
I'd be disappointed if we didn't sell him before the end of this window as otherwise he is just costing us money. However, happy for us to hold out for the maximum feasible fee, which is what other clubs are doing with our targets and their players in general.
No one wants to miss out, but by the same token, no one wants to undersell their assets. Its just a very high stakes game of poker! I hope we don't blink first, lol.
30 Jun 2017 14:33:49
We'll if Van Dijk is worth £70m then so is Sakho 😂 VVD isn't fit to lace Sakho's boots. I sometimes wish Klopp would just give Sakho a hug and forgive him because he is better than any player available this summer.
30 Jun 2017 16:57:24
I'm with MK. I like Sakho and if both parties could just let go I'm sure he would be an asset.
30 Jun 2017 13:47:47
I would of thought there would of been slot of takers for Sakho but there's no rumours on his sale at all.
Does everyone know he's a pain in the backside eds?
{Ed002's Note - He is expensive.}
30 Jun 2017 13:50:50
Sakho will end up leaving for around 20 million pounds imo. Any interested club know Klopp wants him gone and will wait till late August to get him at a cheap price.
30 Jun 2017 14:15:23
Expensive and a fool. No wonder clubs aren't bothered, anybody who takes him on would be stupid themselves. Though of course I'd love to see him depart, somehow I have my doubts.
30 Jun 2017 14:15:23
Expensive and a fool. No wonder clubs aren't bothered, anybody who takes him on would be stupid themselves. Though of course I'd love to see him depart, somehow I have my doubts.
30 Jun 2017 13:34:29
Afternoon,
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{Ed002's Note - It is of no relevance at all.}
30 Jun 2017 13:58:18
It is most definitely of relevance, Ed002, otherwise morning would flow directly into evening and there'd be no time for a nap!
Old people's homes would be in chaos and Ed007 would be EXTREMELY grouchy.
30 Jun 2017 14:46:06
I do my basket weaving in the afternoon!
30 Jun 2017 13:29:44
I'm working with some saints season ticket holders at the moment, and they are decent and fair judges of players, and they really rate VVD, but for that price I'm not sure. I have been watching Rudiger for Germany and I like him. Quick, clever and composed on the ball, looks a real player and has a presence about him. Nice to see ings back too, hope the lad gets some luck.
30 Jun 2017 14:11:37
Rudiger is indeed a good player. VVD is better but the chances of us getting him are slim to none. There's lots of talk about him joining us but it will not happen, no chance. Agreed regarding ings I would love to see him do well for us and I believe he will given the chance.
30 Jun 2017 20:50:37
You are wrong IMO, if you think VVD is better than Ruddiger, Teabag. I have seen him play for both Germany and for Roma and his is the real deal. VVD is not in Ruddiger's league nor is he better than any German CB in their national team setup. I would take Ruddiger and Nicholas Sule ahead of VVD anyday as they are that good.
30 Jun 2017 13:00:02
Fair play to Steven Caulker for coming out and talking about his battle with depression. Good on the lad and I hope he has a speedy recovery. It's an all too common story these days which some people don't understand. He may have only had 3 appearances for us but he pulled on that red shirt we all love so much. YNWA.
30 Jun 2017 13:19:25
Whats he got to be sad about hea rich. Is the biggest problem within the sport.
Rich or poor mental health doesn't discriminate.
All the best caulker lad.
30 Jun 2017 13:25:05
Couldn't agree with this more.
Also a shout out to Craig King of Luton who has had to retire at 20 due to his battle with depression.
Mental illness pays no attention to what you do or who you are. It is indiscriminate and can affect anyone any time.
Kudos to both players for raising awareness.
30 Jun 2017 13:41:28
former German prodigy Sebastian Deisler too retired young due to a battle with mental illness.
30 Jun 2017 13:45:26
I work with people on a regular basis that suffer from mental health, some genuine cases but plenty not so. What I didn't like about Caulker's comments are his partying lifestyle, constant drinking and fluffering cash about. To me there has to be an element that he enjoyed that lifestyle and was fortunate enough to earn a lot of cash to do so. If he was so depressed as he states surely being a professional, a person in the public eye he should have sought help a lot earlier than being out in pubs and clubs, throwing money around and chatting up lasses. There will be plenty of people week in week out with genuine mental health issues on the terraces who used their hard earned cash in which funded Caulkers lifestyle. There has to be an element that he has to take at how fortunate he has been to be a professional footballers and that his own choices have brought him to the position he finds himself today.
Surely people like Tony Adams, alcoholic, Paul Merson drugs and Michael Owen betting to name a few will now state they had mental health issues. No they had a lifestyle and bank account with people to cater to all their wishes and whimpers.
30 Jun 2017 13:55:43
Couldn't disagree more with all of that Baz.
There is a marked difference between mental illness and being a bit dim with your cash and to trivialise Caulker's struggle just because some days he felt ok to go out to a bar is rather offensive to be honest.
30 Jun 2017 14:11:49
I guess people deal with their mental health issues in different ways Baz. It takes different forms for different people. I come from a working class family, I have a good well paid job and great friends and beautiful girl and lots of lovely toys to play with but it still didn't stop it happening to me. Fortunately I had a brilliant support network who helped me through it. Depression and anxiety are indiscriminate. Peace, love and good mental health and happiness to everyone.
30 Jun 2017 14:11:49
I guess people deal with their mental health issues in different ways Baz. It takes different forms for different people. I come from a working class family, I have a good well paid job and great friends and beautiful girl and lots of lovely toys to play with but it still didn't stop it happening to me. Fortunately I had a brilliant support network who helped me through it. Depression and anxiety are indiscriminate. Peace, love and good mental health and happiness to everyone.
30 Jun 2017 14:28:22
Sorry RD but I see lots of people with allergies MH problems. I would state 60-70% are not genuine cases and trying to buck the system into a payout, not able to work yet can still manage to fund a lifestyle of gym, going out and taking illegal drugs while driving a top of the range lease car.
Caulker has I'm sure many professionals not only in the NHS and the club to have sought help. He though decided drinking and going out was plenty more important. If that's the case shall we wait for the fall out of players like Andy Carroll stating he couldn't play because the pressure of his transfer fee caused him depression so had to drink to over come this. Sorry but I help to fund this club yet Caulker decided to take my cash to find his lifestyle now states he had depression. Possibly if he is genuine maybe he should have rejected our advanced stating his problems to klopp and sought help.
30 Jun 2017 14:33:10
Just for info I have served in numerous war zones around the globe seeing friends killed and other suffer from PTSD. So no I don't suffer fools gladly when I have seen many with real MH. It is all to easy to shout out MH and depression and no one now dare challenge that.
My point is Caulker's story from what I read seems to imply his depression came from people trying to bully him for cash because of his own admission was out drinking all the time.
30 Jun 2017 15:22:47
I don't think you really get it at all Baz. No one really knows Caulkers story so we shouldn't really judge. But him spending money and drinking could well be because of his mental health problems. People with depression often do detrimental things for their life. It's a way to temporarily escape. Self destruction is a symptom of mental illness. Sometimes it is easier to mess your life up than it is to admit you have a problem and need help. Partying might have been the only time he was ever able to feel any joy and forget the horrible thoughts running over and over in his mind.
30 Jun 2017 17:25:56
Fair play to you Baz but does it matter where or how his depression developed? The fact of the matter is he suffered and he is getting help for it. There are different types of cold and flu, it doesn't matter how you get them the symptoms are pretty much the same. Mental
health should be held in similar regard pal.
30 Jun 2017 20:52:18
Deisler is the one that got away for the German national team as he was supremely talented but just could not overcome his mental illness and had to retire at a very young age.
30 Jun 2017 12:20:56
A question for Ed001, not taking price into consideration, given that we have plenty of midfielders would you like to add Naby Keita?
If yes then would that be in addition to our already existing midfielders or would look to replace someone.
Also would like to know your reasoning behind your answer.
Thank you.
{Ed001's Note - I have never seen him play so no idea.}
30 Jun 2017 12:41:28
Would you love to have a young Mousa Dembele ( spurs ) without chronic injuries? If Yes then that is Naby Kieta for you! He could play any role in our system. He is a proper CM who scores goals and isn't afraid to put in some good precise tackle!
30 Jun 2017 13:05:20
Now Ed001, please try answering the OP's question again, but now include the price and don't take shoe size or collar size into account.
GO!
{Ed001's Note - ah well in that case the answer is Columbus, Ohio.}
30 Jun 2017 13:22:01
I KNEW you'd say that!
Geez, you're SOOOO predictable, Ed001 :rolleyes:
{Ed001's Note - being predictable is just something I am cursed with, along with irresistibility.}
30 Jun 2017 13:27:47
No, no, its spelt I-N-S-E-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y
You're Welcome!
{Ed001's Note - what would I do without you Zed?}
30 Jun 2017 13:32:01
He Ian keeping you engaged ain't it Ed01 😎. He took over from me. I am getting older you know!
{Ed001's Note - now now Harry, I told you about this before, we were never engaged, it was just a fantasy of yours!}
30 Jun 2017 13:32:44
" What would we all do without you Zed? "
Fixed that for you Ed001 😂.
30 Jun 2017 13:33:35
Be able to sleep with both eyes closed?
Oh no, that's not for me, that's for Harry!
30 Jun 2017 13:39:42
I'll tell you what you'll all do without Zed.
Struggle to finish your goddam alphabet is what you'd do!
30 Jun 2017 13:56:46
Zee . there, finished!
30 Jun 2017 12:06:24
Eds, now that we will possibly sign Keita, what do you think if we use Emre can as a CB to partner Matip?
{Ed001's Note - is this a wind up?}
30 Jun 2017 12:11:42
I believe RedEka is related to Purple Aki.
30 Jun 2017 12:13:16
Haha😩.
30 Jun 2017 12:14:07
While we are at it, why not play Sturridge at left back? I remember him tracking back and covering for Cissokho there once.
30 Jun 2017 12:16:20
Possibly yes. Matip is seen as the backup option to Firmino and Sturridge and an injury to either means Matip moves up front and Can plays at CB.
In other news, Migs is converting to LB and Coutinho will be first choice GK because of his distribution prowess while Karius and Ward will be shipped out on loan.
30 Jun 2017 12:50:48
This is what happens when people let their cats write posts for them.
30 Jun 2017 12:59:29
Damn! The OP needs to get that cat an agent!
Spells better than most here!
30 Jun 2017 13:50:09
This world is so cruel! No chance for radical thinkers. 😭.
30 Jun 2017 17:43:42
Looks like your cat Reetred.
30 Jun 2017 12:00:37
For those fans craving a marquee signing, I think we should pull out all the stops and sign Aubameyang.
Its not because of his footballing skills, but his hair, as he has a Big Top.
30 Jun 2017 12:08:15
However, be cautioned by the fact that the last time we went out to buy a player using these criterion, we ended up with Torben Piechnik (TeePee) .
30 Jun 2017 12:08:51
A money-grabber who is off to China to make 27m a year. No thanks but good luck to him.
30 Jun 2017 12:42:23
Brussels
Anyone would grab £27 mill an year without even thinking twice. FACT!
30 Jun 2017 12:58:36
I wouldn't take that much of a pay cut, even if I could have Chinese food everyday!
Of course, in China they just call it "food"
Interesting.
30 Jun 2017 11:43:21
Hi,
Dont know if you ever heard this one ed001. But glenn hysén is very fond of alcohol and tell old jokes, memorys etc. i met him some weeks ago and found this extremly funny
Well he told me about when another swedish player Anders Limpar who had a 5-a-side trial with Liverpool.
He had John Barnes in his team and was told his nickname is digger, but when they started play Anders repeatedly called Nigger instead of Digger after 4 or 5 times John Barnes walks up to him and grab him by the shirt and tells him if you call me nigger one more time i will knock you down.
As you know he didn't get the contract and evidently ended up at Arsenal and Everton.
{Ed001's Note - never heard that one no, but it is not the kind of story that many would want to tell.}
30 Jun 2017 17:10:14
You have to know a little bit about the two swedes involved to see the fun in it. Neither of them are, shall we say, among the sharpest tools in the shed. Limpars coach at his swedish club (I think) said that one instruction per match was the limit for him.
30 Jun 2017 10:30:25
Ed01 if we did sign Keita like Decker reckons. Where do you think he will fit in the team? With Klopp looking to move Coutinho into midfield this season it doesn't leave many places up for grabs with Lallana, Wijnaldum, and Can in that position in team already? Do you think one will leave? can't see players of their caliber wanting to sit on the bench for long,
{Ed001's Note - it really depends on form and fitness. The modern game is a squad game.}
30 Jun 2017 11:03:40
As far as I see it, that'd leave six players in three positions. Can, Hendo, Couts, Keita, Lallana and Gini. And this is assuming Coutinho is shifted into midfield.
I'd say that would give us pretty great squad depth. And with the increased no of games due to Europe,
and Henderson's recurring injuries I'd say all would get equally fair playing time.
30 Jun 2017 11:34:36
Everyone seems to be assuming that henderson is somehow going to walk straight into that holding position again. His heal injury is something he will have to live with and he will more than likely miss plenty of games next year too. Can is the only other option there if/ when lucas leaves. When you play 3 mids it is best to have 5 or 6 options especially when some of those may be needed to play in attack / wider sometimes.
30 Jun 2017 12:20:34
6 players providing we don't also sign the Ox, ReetRed.
30 Jun 2017 12:43:24
Hendo and Can for the DM
WIji and Keita for the CM
Couts and Lallana for the ACM
2 players for each position. Sorted!
30 Jun 2017 18:44:20
If he's fit he should play. On his day Henderson is as good as anyone.
30 Jun 2017 10:20:41
Hi,
Question for ED001 if he is about. The clamour for midfielders this season (in particular CM) makes me wonder if the club has decided that perhaps Hendo will have these injury problems permanently. Recurring heel injuries tend to be problematic for pretty much your entire life.
Do you think the club is looking at Keita and/ or Ox because they are not expecting a full return from Hendo?
Thanks guys.
{Ed001's Note - no mate, it is about adding something different.}
30 Jun 2017 10:40:12
Thanks for the reply ED. Much appreciated.
{Ed001's Note - welcome.}
30 Jun 2017 10:41:46
Defenders who can head a ball - that would be adding something different.
I think we've enough variety in "midfielders who can run around a lot".
30 Jun 2017 11:07:56
How about adding someone who can take a corner? The opposition would never see that tactic coming.
30 Jun 2017 11:56:06
And a goalkeeper that can catch a ball.
30 Jun 2017 12:00:58
Jesus you lot give it a rest. I thought I was bad.
30 Jun 2017 12:05:28
Not a fan but in fairness, migs has shown improvement. That said, would be nice if we had defenders that could defend corners.
30 Jun 2017 10:11:21
When doing my YouTube scouting of Keita (I know lol) one thing I did notice he likes to do and is also very effective at is getting quality balls out to wingers on both sides, really good at starting the attack from deep.
He would make Mane and Salah even more deadly in my opinion, not like they are going to need it but he would be a step up in quality to what we already have both offensively and defensively in the middle of the park.
Seems like he would make a real quality signing if we could pull it off.
30 Jun 2017 10:31:37
I know what you mean. I'd love to see it happen but I just can't see it happening.
30 Jun 2017 10:38:14
You think he's a step up from Hendo and Wijnaldum?
I'm not convinced.
30 Jun 2017 10:56:44
I agree Ron.
30 Jun 2017 11:04:34
A short post from Adam. The guy who asked about that yesterday will certainly be happy.
30 Jun 2017 12:02:41
He seems to be a step up in quality Ron yeah, more importantly though he seems to be something different than what we already have in midfield.
30 Jun 2017 12:17:50
Keita is way better than Gini and Lallana imo but certainly not worth splurging 60 million out on. Replacing Lovren, Milner and Clyne is more important than any of our current midfielders who are all quality players.
30 Jun 2017 12:24:39
He's so different than Gini and Henderson and will definitely make us better. Hendo has missed a lot of games in the past 2 yrs so having a player who can play effectively in all the midfield roles will enhance our performance. The lad can run, tackle, dribble, shoot and has an eye for a forward pass. He's going to be a great player for whoever buys him i hope it's us. I said last yr mane would be worth every penny and i feel the same about Keita.
30 Jun 2017 09:49:56
Hi eds,
Quick question, to help young players in England get game time could the fa allow extra, say 2 more subs named on the bench for young English u20's? Still only use 3 subs but option there.
Or would this have to be a FIFA "for all" rule change?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - They could not make it "English" only - that would discrimination but other countries do allow more subsititues on the bench (but a max of three being used) in local competitions.}
30 Jun 2017 11:29:04
Don't see why they don't just do rolling subs like they do in youth level.
30 Jun 2017 12:10:48
I would imagine it would slow the game up too much, Alfie. We already get 30 seconds per substitution added on. If teams were able to roll in their 'offensive' or 'defensive' players depending on the situation (free kicks, corners etc) like they do in American Football, added time could end up doubling the length of a game!
30 Jun 2017 09:50:29
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Crystal Palace Season Review
30 Jun 2017 12:57:26
these reviews are class.
{Ed001's Note - thank you.}
30 Jun 2017 09:40:48
FSG take a lot of stick on here and other forums for supposedly being tight fisted. It was interesting therefor to see that John Henry is the 4th largest investor in the EPL. He has in fact invested more than Man City´s Sheik who it seems only owns part of the club whos biggest investor is a Chinese consortium.
Maybe people should cut FSG a bit more slack.
30 Jun 2017 10:07:19
No problem with their extravegant funding, they have much more important problems to address with respect to the way the club is run.
They seem a bit complacent and lacking in governance.
30 Jun 2017 10:35:48
No Wonder they get stick. It's not all about how much they invest but also how they run the club and in my eyes they run it poorly.
30 Jun 2017 12:15:24
Exactly. FSG is just a punching bag that their detractors always vent their frustration upon without knowing a thing about them or how much they have invested, also forgetting that LFC was a money pit for the first few years, losing a million quid a month. But hey, that's not their problem, is it? I do agree that there are a lot more they could do better cos the club is endemically poorly run hence, the shananigans we keep seeing re: tapping up of players.
30 Jun 2017 12:35:32
I would agree with Ron. They are amatuerish when it comes to running the club and getting the big decisions right. More often than not they have got it wrong and cost the club a fortune. Its easy blaming a manager or a DoF but who hires these people? Amatuers!
30 Jun 2017 09:12:30
Hey ED001
You must have attended a lot of football matches whilst standing.
Is it true that people would urinate on each other, suffocate to the point of passing out.
How would the kids handle such a thing?
And why wasn't it outlawed long before Hillsborough?
{Ed001's Note - it was before my time, but my grandad, as one of the St Johns that provided medical assistance at the grounds, used to tell me tales about the injuries he had to look after and me ma has quite a few stories of suffocations. It was the introduction of fences that made her stop going to games, as she always said people would die because of them, as she had needed to escape onto the pitch a number of times to avoid a crush.}
30 Jun 2017 09:46:33
I started off in the bozs pen and graduated to standing in the main section of the Kop around 1965.
Occassionally, people who couldn't get out would pee down a rolled up newspaper but not very often.
People regularly passed, especially on hot days, out and would be passed down to the St John's overhead.
The kids handle it fine. Most of them loved it but people would steer them away from the roughest areas.
In the sixties there were always plenty of people with calm heads who would make sure any hotheads didn't get carried away. Overall it was hot, rough and seaty but a huge amount of fun.
In the seventies, crowds got a lot less pleasant and very aggressive. Games between ourselves (or Everton) and Utd, Leeds, or Chelsea were regularly marked by violent clashes. Stabbings weren't uncommon although they are very rarely anywhere near the ground.
I stopped going regularly during the seventies, partly because of work but also because of the hatred and violence.
The all seaters today are certainly not as much fun as the sixties but vastly more pleasant than the seventies and early eighties.
30 Jun 2017 09:08:35
It's like Christmas eve. lmao.
30 Jun 2017 09:39:48
I'm going to be tuning in from 00.01 tonight to see the literally thousands of deals being confirmed!
30 Jun 2017 09:06:21
When the cost of replica shirts hits £200, a season ticket exceeds £2000 and your sports TV channels cost £100 a month, I just want everyone to remember this window where they demanded their football clubs become completely unsustainable and pay ridiculous fees and wages on players, because 'it wasn't their money'. Not just LFC fans, but Premier League fans.
I actually worry about football. It's going too far. When the bubble bursts, only the top clubs who get their pan break away league move, and the sensible clubs who spent within their means will survive. We better hope we are in one of those categories when the time comes because we are not right now.
I do not begrudge anyone an opinion, but any of you demanding we spend £70m on this or that player, have no rights to complain when your match day cost goes up. You want Liverpool to spend more, then be prepared to pay more in one way or another. If you fail to understand that blatant correlation, then I fear for you.
30 Jun 2017 09:18:25
Agree. When I saw the length of the post and heard the tone of the message, I knew it was you MK.
30 Jun 2017 09:22:22
I'm not sure what you want from fans MK? Do you want us all to criticise the club for spending money and prefer us to opt out of signing players and slide down the league on principle?
Ideally I'd love a global cap on income and costs in football, because things are ludicrous, but it won't happen. Unless of course the whole thing collapses in on itself and high profile clubs start going under. But considering the biggest football clubs in England and Europe basically demonstrated themselves to be recession proof, I don't think that'll happen either.
30 Jun 2017 09:26:49
Adam, I fear you may have missed the point.
I believe that the majority of the posters here are not "demanding" we pay £70m for a player.
The majority of the posters here, and fans in general, want their team to buy players that will improve the first 11 and the squad.
Whether that player ends up costing £7m or £70m essentially comes down to the two teams negotiating over him.
I, and I believe most fans, would fully trust the administrators and negotiators at the club not to stretch the finances beyond our means. let's not forget that FSG saved us from going into administration in the first place, so I very much doubt they would themselves push us back to the brink by overspending a la Leeds and Portsmouth in the last 10-15 seasons.
Just like you, I do not begrudge anyone an opinion. But my opinion is that those demanding we DO sign a £70m player, and those demanding we DON'T sign a £70m player are both equally wrong.
We should be debating and demanding the RIGHT players to improve our chances of success, irregardless of what they cost. The cost is just an arbitrary (albeit increasingly obscene) number negotiated by two parties (well three parties if you include the agent! ) .
30 Jun 2017 09:35:54
I think MK is pointing out that the fans who actually go to matches and provide the atmosphere are being priced out of the game, these are the true core of a club. When the football manager generation start calling for £70 mill transfers they fundamentally misunderstand the full nature of football and the consequences of a club when it loses touch with its grass roots.
30 Jun 2017 10:35:34
I strongly disagree with your post HBR. I come from a long generation of scousers but I now live in the south. That doesn't mean I am any less of a fan than the tourists who come over and pay extortionate fees for a ticket yet probably couldn't name our previous 5 managers. Anyone who buys a shirt or in some way puts money into lfc has as much right as any fan who buys a ticket.
30 Jun 2017 10:38:39
Maybe a club salary cap similar to what exists in the NHL would help. It would need to be a bit more stringent and also attempt to be a bit more level but since you can't cap players salary then enforcing a cap on how much clubs can spend on salaries would be the next best alternative.
It would also need to avoid the trap of the cap being x% of the club turnover as that simply shifts the problem and doesn't solve it.
30 Jun 2017 10:49:06
Exactly HBR, spot on. I have nothing else to say on the matter. It is the working class fan who will pay the price in the long run though.
30 Jun 2017 11:00:14
Stuie I don't think that is what HBR meant. Fans are the lifeblood though and fans of all kinds are being priced out, but especially the people who provide the atmosphere in the stadium.
30 Jun 2017 11:59:52
If that's the case then fair enough, I may have misunderstood his but that's how I read it.
30 Jun 2017 12:13:34
I suppose I'm an idealist who's out of touch with modern football, for me it was about players, fans and managers all pulling in the same direction, now money and merchandising are separating the clubs and fracturing the identities, its definitely not the same as it was at anfield and in my eyes that is more important to results than Van Dijk or Keita will be.
30 Jun 2017 18:46:55
The money spent on tickets and merchandise would no where near cover the price of one high level player? Seriously how do you think the club earns money just from ticket sales and merchandise? No, it's all commercial revenue ticket sales are what 20m a year?
As for the fact your saying TV prices will go up, Sky are in fact REDUCING the price it costs people to watch Sky Sports by separating the channels by sports and you pay for the sport you want to see. As well there are LESS people paying for sky sports yet the new deal for PL is 4x that of before.
How is that if less people are paying? That's because the money comes from commercial revenue not fans pockets. I assume clubs could make tickets free and it wouldn't really effect revenue, its all about getting fans eyes on advertisements, that's where the money comes from. Just relax, if the club can't afford the 70m they wouldn't pay it.
30 Jun 2017 09:06:00
If we are genuinely going after Robertson, that says to be it's as back up to Milner and Milner is getting another year at left back.
Opinions?
30 Jun 2017 09:29:54
I'd disagree, Clint. I would see Robertson, based on other opinions on the board including Ed001, to be an upgrade on Milner and therefore first choice LB. Milner will, I imagine, provide cover for LB, potentially become first choice RB (especially if Clyne leaves, I can see Milner and TA-A competing for that slot, at least in the ST as I expect TA-A to make it his own sooner rather than later), and also provide cover for midfield.
That's the beauty (and sometimes the drawback) of Milner is that he is Mr Versatile.
30 Jun 2017 12:34:33
Milner reminds me a bit of Stevie Nicol, not in any way in performances as Stevie was class but in the way that he can play most positions and still do a job for the team. Mr Versatile.
30 Jun 2017 18:48:46
I would rather play Moreno.
30 Jun 2017 08:42:09
I don't know who this Decker guy is but I'll only believe negotiations with Leipzip over Keita if Eds confirm this. It may be so however as Keita would be a quality signing and in today's crazy world of excessive fees, probably worth the risk. In any event signing Keita would really show that FSG are now focusing on top players and are desperate for silverware.
30 Jun 2017 09:19:24
Paul Joyce, one of the more knowledgeable reporters re LFC, has said that we will be making an offer this week to test RBs resolve.
30 Jun 2017 18:36:58
He is miles better than spending £30 mill on a player who is not wanted at Arsenal. Keita is exactly what we need in our midfield. Proper old school CM who could defend and attack brilliantly. If anyone yet to figure out the player, Imagine a young Moussa Dembele ( Spurs ) without chronic injuries and consistent goals.
29 Jun 2017 22:24:54
Hi eds just wondering with the new wage cap that's come in which I don't really understand am I right in saying that a club can't spend more than 7 million extra on wages a year but you can spend extra if you clear wages off your wage bill and that you can prove you have extra revenue coming in through sponsorship and match day revenue so my question is do you know how Liverpool are fixed in terms of what they can spend on wages.
{Ed002's Note - If players leave their wages no longer count towards the total. It is nothing to do with extra revenue. I really do not wish to discuss player wages.}
30 Jun 2017 09:56:03
Ok cheers ed I know you don't like to talk about the cash side of football I was just trying to get my head around the new rules thanks again for all the great work.
29 Jun 2017 17:08:40
Hi Eds,
Just wondering with all the talks of players coming in would you be able to give us a list of current Liverpool players who are courting interest from other clubs including loans and transfers? I. e. Sakho, Gomez etc. Curious to know which of our players are being looked at by others.
Cheers.
{Ed002's Note - Brighton want Gomez. Newcastle want Ojo - as do Burnley. Watford want Markovic and Celtic could make an offer. Napoli are keen on Moreno.}
30 Jun 2017 17:56:34
Cheers mate,
Anything on Sakho, Lucas, Flanno and Bogdan?
What about the youngsters like Ward, Allan and Kent?
{Ed002's Note - Gremio want Lucas but it is difficult. So nothing new. Bogdan is injured.}
30 Jun 2017 07:46:16
To all you long time posters out there, I've just spotted the first Wesley Sneijder rumour!
Check out the BBC Sport gossip section this morning ;)
30 Jun 2017 07:57:31
But wasn't schnyder (or is it Schneider) on track for United?
30 Jun 2017 08:07:10
You're getting confused with Roy Scheider, Reet, he of Jaws fame.
A common mistake as Jaws was often linked with the club during Brendan Rodgers's time here.
30 Jun 2017 01:05:48
If we manage to get Virgil, Keita, and Mendy this summer I think I will become JW Henry's man slave for the rest of the season.
30 Jun 2017 05:30:54
And, in homage, i will be Linda's man slave for the next decade.
30 Jun 2017 05:32:34
We can barely afford one of those, let alone all 3.
30 Jun 2017 06:13:49
And how did you know we barely can't afford one of those players Buzzer? Are you privy to the LFC bank accounts?
30 Jun 2017 06:24:38
Being able to afford them is one thing. Being willing to pay it is another. From FSG's track record I ain't about to remortgage the house and bet on us buying any of them let alone all of them. That's unless Coutinho goes.
30 Jun 2017 06:58:33
FFP would suggest it will be difficult to afford them.
30 Jun 2017 07:02:18
Mendy is not on the cards. We would have done well to get salah Keita Robertson . Ox/ vvd . Or it will be some combination of them . Maybe 2- all of them . Pending on obv circumstances.
30 Jun 2017 07:42:42
IB, are you talking about affording the players or the men slaves?
{Ed001's Note - I am not sure brenda sold teeth can ever be considered a man.}
30 Jun 2017 07:46:39
Where's the love 001?
{Ed001's Note - you lost it when you started selling teeth....}
30 Jun 2017 07:47:35
The 'men' slaves in question, Ed001, appear to be appendages. Old Teeth and a Left Foot.
Make of that what you will.
{Ed001's Note - it is the best bits of them. Make of that what you will.}
30 Jun 2017 08:08:05
It applies to both the players and man slaves Zeddicus.
30 Jun 2017 18:22:12
I expect us to sign 2 out of those three at a combined £100 mill figure. I also expect the club to recoup at least £50 mill form sales.
29 Jun 2017 22:07:29
Question for ed01 . what would you do with the young players on the fringes keep them at the club training with the first team or send them on loan if you could guarantee game time at a good club . surely good game time is more beneficial to the player? and as a club how much should you take into account the players development opposed to what the club needs.
{Ed001's Note - it really depends. If a good move can be found, then you send them on loan, but only if it is one that is going to benefit the player. Player development should be the priority, but there does need to be a balance there, as you need to give them a chance with you at some point, so you can't buy a squad full of ready made players so you can send them all out on developmental loans. Well you can, but then you end up with the problem Chelsea have of no space to fit them in to the team.}
30 Jun 2017 05:43:55
Ed001, in light of the above, how do you think klopp is fairing with management of the youth? I see he is overly praised for giving them a chance but honestly I don't really see any real opportunity he is giving them apart from TAA who gets the odd minute. I think of Gomez who hardly got play time even when all our central defense was injured at a time, then there is Woodburn and Wilson. Looking at some players we are being linked with I'm sure there are many youth players who feel they will never get a chance.
Thanks for your work and knowledge.
{Ed001's Note - it is far too early to judge him, but I do admit I am a little disappointed, there were a lot of opportunities for him to bring on a youngster towards the end of games but he chose not to make a third subsitution. There are three subs available, he should make use of them to give the kids a run out, if nothing else.}
30 Jun 2017 06:11:08
Tbink klopp wants success then he will do thr youth.
He knows a cuo buys him a season and thr leagye buys him atleast 4 seaaons. Then he can relax into his role like a dortmund.
30 Jun 2017 07:35:13
I agree Ed. Klopp could blood them in slowly as last subs during games we will definitely win but for some reason, does not do it. I hope that changes next season.
{Ed001's Note - it doesn't matter if we will defo win or not, he needs to give them a shot anyway. Poch does it all the time with Spurs, brings on young players to try and win a game or to see it out. That trust he shows them has paid dividends.}
30 Jun 2017 12:18:03
You are right about Poch and Spurs, Ed. Let's hope things change next season.
30 Jun 2017 00:11:54
I'm confused. Are we just itching to blast £70m on one player or have the press plucked this figure from nowhere? Is it just a coincidence that the figure touted in the Keita 'bid' is the same as the supposed VVD bid/ valuation was before the lurd hit the fan?
30 Jun 2017 01:03:11
There are very few players in world football that can command a 70 million transfer fee even in this current climate of absurd price tags. I promise you Liverpool will not pay 70 million outright for anyone, if they do it will be with add ons.
30 Jun 2017 07:38:58
Spot on, Brendasteeth. There are indeed very few players out there that will command that 70m fee and you can say, "Yep, that's about right". VVD nor Keita are any of those players by an ocean. We signed a proven performer in the Serie A and in Europe's CL in Salah for 40m and yet many want us to sign an unproven tho talented midfielder for 70m? How you work that out, I don't know but IMO, it is ridiculous.
30 Jun 2017 18:47:26
£50 mill would do it in my eye. The player will express his desire to move to us!