Liverpool Banter Archive July 30 2013

30 Jul 2013 22:47:30
Most people seem to forget that Liverpool have two very young and talented players in Raheem Sterling and Jordon Ibe. No doubt they'll both be competing for first team places this coming season. Not only are they very good squad players but I find them capable of being regulars in the first team. Sterling was already a very good player and seems to have improved a lot whilst Ibe is a good, strong player comfortable on the ball with some skills up his sleeve. Without a doubt they're top quality players.

k_g

Not all of us mate. Can't wait to see them both smashing up defences this year. Great players and there are more to follow

Alfie

30 Jul 2013 21:51:38
dissapointed as hell if Sterling is going on loan! Could be a key player for this season! And the thing that worriies me so much about this deal is how on earth a 80k week useless downing is kept at the club and club loaning out one of coutries exciting young talent. Ok sterling goes but if it means downing is staying its crap decision by the club. Sterling is a better winger than downing atm

Bs if this happens

Kick downing out! And our xavi jay Spearing is he still at the club counting his pennies!


Bosco

Sez who? Sterling will be here.

Spearing is just greedy in my opinion he'd rather waste away in reserves an pick up his money than actually play football.

A bit much that. I think Spearing is a fine player although perhaps not of the standard required. If we could only bottle his enthusiasm for LFC and give it to certain others.

Sterling to stay and rip teams up with Ibe next season. I don't really care what happens with Spearing he's tosh, good luck to him though nice guy

I think RS could do with a season of 1st team football somewhere else while he develops his game. Not at a hoof it club though.

I don't get why supporting one player means slating another. Sterling started well last season (personally) but with him in the team we were below half way. Downing came in (still gets dogs abuse) and we end the season with top 4 form. Please see that Downing provides balance in our TEAM. Sterling and Suso have promise but neither were experienced enough to influence games at this level. Downings got 2 years on his contract and should Sterling continue to develop we won't need to spend on a replacement for Stewie as Raheem or Jordan Ibe will be ready.

Kidder

Bosco, Spearing counting his pennies? Really? The lad has earned every penny he's been paid it's disgraceful to lump him into the category of those who won't leave due to wages happy to collect, etc.

And for everyone bashing him I have one question - who is currently ahead of him as backup DM? We have Lucas and then nobody else so if we don't sign some backup for Lucas then we may be damn glad of Spearing and his efforts and commitment.

Agreed Kidder. I don't get the problem with Downing with some fans. He is a seasoned pro that can only help with Sterling and the likes progress while putting in a good shift. Again he don't score the goals but he works hard. I like him. Took the kids to Melwood and he stopped and had a good chat with everyone. Nice guy

Alfie

30 Jul 2013 21:35:12
Eds
There are newspaper rumours today that Arsenal will not up their latest bid for Suarez as they believe it is enough to trigger a clause in his contract so that Liverpool HAVE to accept the bid.
What is your understanding of the contract? Is a bid of over £40m only enough for Liverpool to consider the offer or is it enough that they must accept it?
Sounds like Suarez might fight the meaning of terms if it is only enough to consider it.
Cheers
AB {Ed002's Note - I have spent the past 11 months explaining this.}

The clause in his contract was to inform the player of an offer and to enter good faith negotiations There is no obligation to sell at that price.Suarez will not take the matter to Arbitration, as he will not win.

There is no buy out clause, from what I've seen not that many players have one. It seems a media hype type thing. Is this close edds

billynwa

Great reply ed . Constantly that question is asked and answered xy

Just heard suarez contract clause means they do not have sell only listern to offers over 40m. Liverpool had it confirmed watertight Liverpool want 55m for suarez from arsenal .Even suarez agrees that Liverpool do not have to sell, Unlucky wenger.

30 Jul 2013 21:24:04
Cant we swear at anfield anymore? {Ed002's Note - No, and it would be prefererred if you could stop shouting as well. A firm shake of the hand with the person to your left should suffice.}

Not too firm, mind. We must all consider our personal responsibilities with regard to health and safety protocol whilst on the premises. Thank you for your continued cooperation.

-Nibbits

Stand by for operation Anfield excersize

Maybe we should look to do a deal with Purell and get a hand sanitisers stream of income?

30 Jul 2013 20:59:58
U-17 played in the Milk Cup in their first pre-season game against Co. Armagh and were defeated 3-2 but the talent of the youths is clear to see.
That lad from Valencia, Chirivella came on and changed the game. Polger(or Holger) really impressed me as he just kept the possession ticking over. Unfortunately they did play like it was the first pre-season game but the result doesn't matter.
I could see O'Hanlon, Canos and Ojo have something about them despite not playing the best but there is a winger, whose name escapes me who was really impressive. I really hope I just witnessed some future stars.

Probably Harry Wilson you're thinking of. Started the season in ridiculously briliant form. Heard little of him before now really so just shows how quickly you can make your name with a few good performances. Think Chirivella cost us about £2m so BR must rate him. U21 before too long it seems.

-Nibbits

I bet it was young Harry Wilson!

31 Jul 2013 00:13:59
Harry Wilson? Yeah I agree he's been superb

GuvTOB

30 Jul 2013 20:39:46
1) Till the day I die I will never accept that Bale is twice the price of Suarez. that's like saying Paul Ince was twice the price of Zidane, what a joke!

2) Yevhen Konoplyanka. Really? If so watch this guy dismantle defences week in week out, reminds me a lot of the Ukrainian left winger Manchester United had Kanchelskis. I just hope this one is true. Not going to hold my breath tho.

3) I really hope Rafa gets Jackson Martinez and if so they will win the scudetto and be heavily fancied in the Champions League. I really think at Napoli we will see the renaissance of Mr Benitez and he will show the world what a brilliant manager/coach/tactician he is

Or he'll bomb like Inter.

30 Jul 2013 21:33:53
Ben Rose

Since him, Inter had 5 manager and all they could manage was 9th place finish.

Because he wrecked them and us seriously

If Suarez didn't act like he does etc he would be worth more.

For me Suarez talent wise is miles better than bale but has bad image i.e not many companies would sponsor him, bale on the other hand is talented and has a good image so Real are prepared to pay that much for him and will recover most of the money through image rights 50% of the income I think.
If Real failed to get bale with this bid they will come with a bid for Suarez so in other words Suarez is a second option, in my opinion Suarez should stay where he is and try to get to CL with Liverpool.

abbs

Mourinho won the champions league, Reina replaced him.

No major changes at all but Rafa ruined Inter.

No arguments against that.

How did Rafa wreck Inter if he wasn't allowed to make any changes to a squad full of Mourinho players that didn't want to play for him?

Kanchelskis played down the right.

30 Jul 2013 20:37:02
Load of rumours regarding Konoplyanka from Dnipro, if L'pool managed to sign him it would be a fantastic signing this guy is an amazing player and would certainly make our starting 11 so much stronger.

Richiered

I agree, he has ridiculous pace and skill, reminds me a bit of Shaquiri

30 Jul 2013 19:37:47
Hi eds
Just wondering regarding skrtel and the possible loan to Napoli, I agree with you that it could be a good loan as if he plays well his value increases and so will interest in him and it is better to have fairly high wages not sitting on the bench and decreasing in value. However I have also read that papa, alderweid etc would be replacements for skrtel but that we have deemed them to expensive. So my question is if skrtel was to leave on loan and therefore with no real fee would we be able to afford a replacement, especially one previously deemed too expensive? Thanks
Alex YNWA {Ed002's Note - We would really rather avoid the questions about finances Alex - it causes far too much confusion.}

30 Jul 2013 19:26:59
ssn Germany have reported that Liverpool have reportedly agreed a £13.9m (�16m) fee with Schalke 04 for Greek international defender Kyriakos Papadopoulos.

30 Jul 2013 19:20:20
I'd be happy with anyone who didn't keep passing to the opposition and who wanted to stay beyond the Next transfer window

30 Jul 2013 19:09:45
papa looks like a done deal. 16 million euros.eds. I know you are going to laugh but a couple of sites saying we are looking at bringing torres back to replace suarez. your thoughts? can't see it myself but I have to admit it. I would love him back. so would stevie g! likely rubbish but hey. cheers

30 Jul 2013 18:52:34
Real Madrid will have to wait another year for Bale.

Last minute bid for Suarez.�35 million + player.

A lot going on behind the scenes.

Two surprise signings for Liverpool.

Something happening in Brasil. FSG want the boys from Brasil.

Liverpool will have an interesting team. They will take six weeks to begin to gel.

Tudo bem.

I hope your right Mate


Muggitzo

Fella I do respect everyone's opinion and this sounded mysteriously exciting but where on earth do you get the six weeks to gel from?

Could they gel in 4?

Barneswasbest

30 Jul 2013 18:13:19
21 May 2013 09:14:35
Hai Ed. great mng. and super kool work ethic.

Arsenal are closing on Huguain for 19 mill which is an excellent business. he is a proper CF and very very good finsiher. they are also on the verge of getting jovetic 23 mill. two world lcass players for 40 odd millions.
Arsene wenegr is aware, this is his last seaosn and he will go all out to win the title.
Utd will probably sign another high line striker or an winger if rooney is being sold.
chelsea we all are aware with jose back he might even bring ronaldo back to chelsea or falcao and other 2-3 high profile strikers.
Spurs will sell adebeyor and dempsey and probably will bring diamio and villa to white hart lane.
City are closing on cavani and Isco and also with some good players arriving.
We have serious issues to sort out, after spending enormous money. we still are short of 5 players.

Harry Scousser

Harry I wouldn't play the lottery if I were you. or at least with your predictions above, don't give me any top tips of lottery numbers.

That is superb, should keep Harry away for a while

30 Jul 2013 20:21:28
Outstanding. Simply Outstanding work.

But buddy. what about all those people who said. Mickyy is done and dusted in sand.?

But I sincerly appreciate this. and am taking this in a very good spirit.

Harry scousser

I want more from Harry! All that excitement was only a couple of weeks ago - seems like a lifetime.
What is a transfer window without speculation - well its very much like my marriage.

30 Jul 2013 18:00:21
What's all this Torres nonsense again. 20million 5 year deal, it's ridiculous. Surely it's bull. {Ed002's Note - Teitter I assume. He is en route to the United States this afternoon - so it seems unlikely.}

30 Jul 2013 18:11:14
Just out of curiosity would fans prefer Zouma or Papa for CB to replace skrtel and/or Coates?

And I have to say if I see one more person say we need soldado to replace Suarez I'm going to go crazy. Soldado is not a wide forward who can play with sturridge he would have to play instead of sturridge and therefore not what we need!

Puzzled Red

Papa just because I've actually watched him play allot and like what I see! Plus he looks slightly crazy which suits the premier league

So who would play when sturridge is injured? Borini? We're still light up front and soldado is a top class striker

My question would be are they our only choices for CB? Because I'd rather have somebody better than both of them.
As for Soldado of course you are right but only if you think Sturridge is going to stay fit and on form all season. If we don't buy another top striker we could end up short of goals again

I would stick with what we have, possibly let Coates go.

But hey the owners are clearing out the big earners so they will leave.

Well have a budget squad soon, which the owners will be expecting BR to get top 4.

How far we have fallen, once a club at the top, now possibly about to become a thing of the past. So so sad.

"So who would play when sturridge is injured? Borini? We're still light up front and soldado is a top class striker"

Uh, perhaps Aspas? I see Borini as probably 3rd choice, Yesil as 4th if we get desperate.

I agree RDL and Chris do you really think sold ado will sit on the bench until Sturridge gets injured? He won't and neither will sturridge.

Puzzled Red

Id like alderweireld and papadopoulos, both in price range, bring the extra quality to get top four, young and we need them to sort out the defence once and for all so we can get back to the goalscoring.

Anonymous woolback

Good post Puzzled Red, I would prefer Papa as I have seen more of him but would be happy with either. Chris, really man? Who is better than these for CB who are currently available and would be interested in joining us? And Soldado is exactly what we don't need - we need someone more flexible who can cover a number of positions and ideally he would be at his best on the wing.

30 Jul 2013 17:13:51
skrtel to napoli on loan? what a joker? he's good!

suarez to arsenal will not happen, it can't! fingers crossed napoli or PSG or even barcelona (after selling fabregas, thiago) come in for him. i'd take sanchez plus £25 mill which we could invest in eriksen and papa.

Or Real may be interested in swapping benzema and alonso for suarez - EPIC deal. then they could have a front 3 of Ronaldo Bale Suarez!

We could have a front 4 on the opening day of the season of coutinho, eriksen, sanchez, aspas.

all in all we need to improve as the players we had last season didn't get us top four.

red said fred

30 Jul 2013 17:33:18
Personally, I don't believe a word I hear from the Media. Even interviews are manipulated to fit the news.

What is interesting is that Mourinho has tried to get the Utd fans to lose faith in Rooney during the Rio Ferdinand testimonial (again, according to the media) in a bid to reduce his value and offer him an escape route.

I wonder if Wenger is trying similar tactics with Suarez with the Gerrard testimonial coming up.
What is everyone's opinion over Suarez: Will Liverpool fans get behind him (given the fact that not all media stories are true!), or will they finally lose faith?

Personally, I think we should get behind any player who stays, regardless of circumstance. Failing to get behind a player never gets the desired results.

Agree if you would get behind the player.

Disagree if you would not.

Wouldn't surprise me to find out Suarez has a 'slight niggle' this Saturday.

30 Jul 2013 17:26:51
Eds fellow reds, if bale is worth £85 million
Suarez has to be £55 million minimum.

Bale is worth what someone is willing to pay. Suarez the same, which means, at the moment, Suarez is worth £40,000, 001.

30 Jul 2013 17:02:35
skrtl proberly on his way to napoli on loan, another player of the wage bill.
why don't we sell the players like reina and skrtl if they have no future with us.?
sell and get some money in and buy.
this does not make sence to me

Diificult to sell if nobodies interested, you'd be selling cheap that way. anyway its s good chance for reina to regain form so we can sell higher next year. I reckon skrtel will be sold anyway to raise funds for papa.

30 Jul 2013 16:33:26
Ed are the rumours TRUE that we are going to loan skrtle to Napoli, wot our the club thinking, next well be loaning out Suarez to free up wages to bring in Carlton cole.

W.b {Ed001's Note - I don't see the problem with loaning out a player who can't get in the team and when he did, struggled badly.}

I doubt it we will loan out Skrtel what's the point when we can sell him and get £10M+ for him.

The problem is if you loan him you get no money to strengthen our squad I want to buy other players out of sale money instead a loaning a player who is 28 god ed you ain't making sense lately loaning a 28 year old is point less he isn't going to improve that much and our money is based on sales

No team will match his fee with high wages big d we would certainly have to give him a payoff which would financially
not suit us a year on loan with say 80%
wages paid regular football and good performances to then get someone to pay the fee

mayhem 1981

30 Jul 2013 16:27:22
Hi ED's

Just a question in relation to our former manager - Mr Benitez.

In his time here at LFC, Rafa made some shocking transfers bringing in the likes of joesemi, nunez, kromkamp et al. and has rightfully taken the blame for wasting serious amounts of cash on frankly rubbish players. (I know he did have a couple of good signings - Alonso, Masherano, Agger). Yet sice being installed as Napoli head coach, Napoli have done some great business, getting the likes of Higuain, Callejon, Reina, Albiol and Jackson Martinez looking increasingly likely.

What I was wondering is this - Why did Benitez spend over £200 million at LFC buying such utter rubbish, while he has spent the Cavani money at Napoli very/relatively wisely? Were the bad transfers at LFC all his own choices or were some of them forced upon him? And are the current Napoli reinforcements his choices or are they the owner/chairman's choices?

Basically, why the huge difference in the quality of players Benitez brought in at LFC and is bringing in at Napoli?

Was just something that has been growing more and more irritating to me, since his move to Naples. Thanks in advance.

Paul {Ed001's Note - how do you know those players will work out? But he has a much higher budget to work with at Napoli, so it is easier.}

Not to forget Dries Mertens.

(I know he did have a couple of good signings - Alonso, Masherano, Agger).

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And Torres, Kuyt, Skrtel, Lucas, Aurelio .
Crouch did n't do too bad, Johnson like it or not is also a decent player .
I am not saying he did n't buy a lot of rubbish as well, but if you look at the bad buys, most of them were on the cheap (expect aqua boy) .
Lets be grateful for Rafa, we may never see the nights he brought to Anfield again .

Roy

Plus some players adapt to the Premier league, where as others don't.
I would say it is much easier to play and adapt to Serie A then it is to the Premier league.

Plus as Ed said they may not all work out yet.

Rafa did sign us gems such as Agger, Reina, Torres, Alonso and Arbeloa to name a few.

Jonesred

No mate, they are the high profile transfers he has brought to napoli. Last time I checked he had bought a few 1 mil players and 20 no name free transfers, so no, nothing has changed.

Anonymous woolback

Roy I agree with you on the great euro nights. Miss them as I feel we are years away from them at the moment ta rafa. AndyO

30 Jul 2013 16:09:28
Hi Eds - any reason why we seem to be loaning players out to Napoli? Reports suggest Skrtel is on his way there too, surely they have the funds to buy outright? - Seems soft to me, yeah it gets them off our wage bill but won't it decrease their value next season? {Ed001's Note - better to send them out on loan where they will play, then if they play well their value increases. It will only decrease if they are sat on the sidelines.}

Just try sell now he is 28 for crying out loud

I'd say length of contract is a factor too Ed. how long is left on his contract at present?

Jonesred {Ed002's Note - Three years.}

30 Jul 2013 16:14:28
just watched Bernard on youtube (i know!) Wow! he looks as good as Suarez, maybe better, any opinions lads?

Good if your a FC Porto fan cause that's where he's heading!

30 Jul 2013 20:18:57
Big D, you're wrong. He is off to Shaktar.

He's going to the highest bidder. if we want him we have to be the highest bidder. simples

30 Jul 2013 16:07:47
Is there any chance of Luis Muriel joining Liverpool?

30 Jul 2013 16:02:57
Not LFC related but its nice to see Rafa 'happy' again at a club which values him, really hopes he wins a few trophies for Napoli this season. YNWA Rafa

After going to Chelsea do you really think we should be supporting Rafa? YNWA is cool for people who don't shaft us. Sick of it this is why we get walked over. Toughen up for god sake.

He could have gone anywhere else and yeah support the dude. Not one of our rivals. Would Kenny manage them? No chance. He is a legend who you all want to slag off. Get it right boys

Alfie

Are you for real Alfie? Rafa had lost his job at Inter and had been out of work for about 2 years. Along come Champions league winners and Premier League contenders Chelsea with an 'Interim' role for Rafa to fulfill. Do you really think any manager in the world would refuse an opportunity to repair his damaged reputation? Rafa did what was best for him and I for one wasn't upset that he went to Chelsea. It showed he had balls, knowing the fans would be against him from day one and i'm glad he won a trophy there too. I could understand if it was Utd or Everton, that would have been a 'shafting' but any other team for me shouldn't be a problem for anyone

RAFA is one of us you clown, get off his back. Any man deserves the chance to ply his trade with anyone, and no he most certainly didn't and wouldnt, shaft us

YNWA RAFA

Tel 1949

Yeah boys yeah. He went to manage Chelsea and we all cheer him on. Genius.

Like I say he could have gone anywhere. And any manager would want to manage Chelsea BS. Nearly as funny as Soldado saying it was his dream to play for City! Course mate when they went down 2 divisions not so long ago he'd of dreamt to turn out at Maine Rd. Probably not even heard of it.

We are Liverpool FC boys and it just shouldn't happen. They didn't even want him.

I'll stick to supporting real legends thanks. Like Kenny.

Ta Da

Alfie

30 Jul 2013 15:45:29
My thoughts on transfers is Liverpool should stay away from italian front men I seriously can't think of 1 were they have came over here and banged in loads of goals might be just me am sure someone will open my eyes on here if they know any.

Not a striker as such but Zola was amazing!

gareth

Vialli, di cannio, ravenelli, Zola?

Well in gareth mate spot on just thought of another one because of zola what about ravenelli apart from them 2 mate can't think of anymore anyone else???

Fabrizio Ravanelli = goal machine for M'bro in premier league

I am sure Ravenelli was leading scorer in his first season and that was in a very poor Middlesborough team. Vialli also knew where the net was and as pointed out, Zola was one of the best players ever to have played in premier league, albeit not an out and out goalscorer.

So there's 4 players that we can think of to grace our league in 20 plus years so my point is not so many come here an do well am I right to say this?

30 Jul 2013 15:10:56
Arsenal are reported to up their Bid to 45 mill for suarez, with take it or leave it option.
BR and Ayre would sit and discuss this and would evnetually accept the Offer,
He would join Arsenal by end of next week on a reported 150 k per week.
Liverpool don't see Real coming with any offer more than 30 mill, And we simply cannot afford to loose more money.
That would put an end to this saga.

Yeah right, because 45m is completely different from 42.5m, it is a MUST accept offer.

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Nope, can't see us caving in for £45m with or without a take it or leave it option.

That won't be happening Hazza.

Sorry harry but not convinced this will happen. the arse don't pay that sort of wage and the transfer fee is nearly three times their previous highest. I honestly see him heading to a european team

I would hope that they would tell arsenal where to stick the money.

After that 40m and 1 offer we should turn down anything from them unless its their full transfer budget.

Harry, how would you know what br will do. You live in a dream world. Stop making things up, youve never been right with anything

Don't believe it for a minute - 2 reasons - 1) Wenger is playing games and will not offer enough that Liverpool will accept.
2) Liverpool do not need to sell, so have set a realistic price, and if that is not offered they will not sell.

30 Jul 2013 20:27:59
they have already bid 40 mill, so the next bid if comes should be more than 40. which is already their record bid.

As you just said "the next bid when it comes. " which means your making this all up and guessing!

I think in reality you need to add at least 5 million to what you wrote and then admit you are just guessing! We will only lower the price for a foreign team and even then it will exceed 45m

30 Jul 2013 13:49:53
If ed001 is hear today, I would love to hear what he thinks of borini. Do you think he will make it? It looks like he has the talent and attitude, but will he reach his potential with Liverpool.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Daveevad {Ed001's Note - not sure, it depends on how much patience the club will have with him, right now he is trying too hard to impress. If he is given the time to settle in properly, I think he can be a very good option for us. I don't see him ever having the ability on the ball Sturridge has, but he creates a lot of space with his movement and workrate, which he and his teammates can exploit. Given a good injury free run up top, in his favoured position, I think he can make it. He reminds me of Kuyt, he will never be the greatest player in the world, but what he brings to the team can be invaluable over the course of a season.}

Was going to say the same Ed. he is never going to be a world beater but his work rate is amazing and he is very young. If he could chill a bit and do the simple things. With maybe a run of goals like Kuyt used to get he may find his feet. Well I hope so anyway. You don't want anyone to fail in the red shirt.

Time will tell but that is a good summary of the lad. let's all give him some time and see how he goes

Alfie

You are doing kuyt a diservice ed, kuyt is a miles better footballer than borini

30 Jul 2013 14:38:50
BR recently said that we were done buying squad players and that for the next few weeks we were concentrating on buying for the first eleven. We seriously need to start bringing some real quality players in quickly because the current first eleven isn't good enough to win big games. Who knows, if we sign some top quality players Suarez may be more content to stay. At the moment I can absolutely see his point in thinking we are going nowhere. Fingers crossed eh

Jamie

2 top class wngers like bernard and konoplyanka and papa

then left back and dm cover and we re sorted for the season

I am pretty certain that Aspas and mignolet are for the first team, and would guess Toure is also 70% first teamer.
So I very much doubt that BR have said what you posted . but then again you never know what is to come

Roy

Don't agree. Look at the way we played January onwards with the additions of Sturridge and Coutinho and some of the football and results were outstanding.
Added to that I think Mignolet will be a great addition. Carragher has retired and Toure will be a great experienced replacement.
Aspas and Alberto add to an attack that, even without Suarez, was playing fantastic football and at times scoring goals for fun. Carroll and Shelvey won't be missed. Ibe and Sterling will certainly add something to the squad this season, even if they are young, two fast tricky players to come off the bench.
Yes we can still do with 2 or 3 more additions (which I think will still come) but it ain't doom and gloom as you put it, far from it.
I still think there will be a couple of strong additions to come, regardless of whether Suarez stays or not.

I agree with the first no name response. 2 top class wingers, LB cover and DM cover.

Totally agree with the unnamed poster. Leave your name son nice to know who the positive guys are on here. Will look out for you. I think if we can add the 2 or 3 we talk about all will be fine. If Suarez stays even better. Defo top 4.

Alfie

30 Jul 2013 19:26:44
BR did say that Roy.

I said we need top class players to go straight into the starting eleven. You can't disagree with that but agree with the anonymous poster, he/she agreed with what I said?!?!

If we don't sign some top class players we won't compete at the top. That's not doom and gloom I'm very optimistic, but I'm also realistic and you can't expect a couple of players to do it all. At present our squad is full of awesome potential but lacks real quality for the now. I'd say two or three quality additions and we'll be ok.

Jamie

30 Jul 2013 14:31:17
Hi

Does anybody else feel the same about this transfer window, it is a bit slow for the teams that were above besides Man City but the teams below are very actively involved.

Think this year there will be a lot more competition in every game. Seems like a very very exciting season ahead. No teams can just be written off.

Can't wait for Aug 17.

YNWA-SA

Norwich have signed some decent players in fer wolfswinkel and hooper and saints in wanyama

30 Jul 2013 15:45:34
So far excluding Mignolet, BR has added squad players by his own admission. If there is no further transfer activity, are we any better than our last position of 7th? I'm not so sure and hope we see some more positive additions by LFC/FSG.


Jag

3 of the 4 signings so far are for the first team.

Jag you got remember son mistakes cost us loads of points last year. If we can strengthen the defence and midfield and score as many goals. Do the maths mate we'll be right up there.

Mignolet is far hungrier than Reina which also another positive. Just need to hit the ground running.

Alfie

Again, I would stop reading so much into what Rodger's says to the press. I like the guy, but I think he tries to be overly clever in what he says and many of you seem to take everything he says far too literally.

Spot on Jags I couldn't agree more.

RDL what benefit would BR get from publicly declaring our four signings so far as squad players? If they weren't he wouldn't say so would he?

We haven't strengthened yet just replaced an experienced keeper for a hopefully very competent keeper and an experienced CB for another. Aspas and Alberto are squad players, nothing more so we still have issues in defence, def/mid and on the wings. Until they are addressed we are no better than we were last season aside from some of the youngsters improving. All teams above and around us are actively strengthening so don't be so foolish as to think we're ok because we're not.

Hopefully we have some good players arriving but until then we are treading water.

Jamie

I don't think he did declare that at all to be honest. But for the sake of argument, it would be so he didn't have to listen to supporters moaning for the time being.

Also, Aspas is not what I would classify as a squad player at all. I would be very surprised if Downing starts over him.

RDL: BR definitely did say that, google it and you'll see!

I would be surprised if Aspas OR Downing start ahead of anyone, this is exactly my point. Aspas looks decent but not the type of quality we should be looking for. We need another two players of similar quality to Suarez, Sturridge, Gerrard, Coutinho

Then hopefully Papa and cover for CDM and we'll have a team

Jamie

30 Jul 2013 13:51:26
Eds,

Could you please tell me.

Do we have any money to actually spend or do we need to generate sales. I'm curious to know your thoughts!


At the moment I'm kopenbadly in the suspense.

Do you also expect a marquee signing

Kopper {Ed002's Note - I have explained that Liverpool need to move toward being financially better placed than relying on the owners to put more money in - this is true of all clubs. However money has already been spent this summer but there is no point going in to detail as it clearly continues to confuse all but a few supporters. I have no idea by what you perceive to be a "marquee signing".}

Marquee signing

one that will excite the fans, a genuine winner, likely a matchwinner

How can we say money has already been spent this summer? Surely carroll going for 16m and Shelvey for 6m should be taken into account - this would leave a couple of million spent
Being financially better placed? that's a kopout for not spending money.
I am not saying we should spend 100s of millions but we should at least be competing.

There is a certain section of supporters who believe that the owners can only show real intent by making a marquee signing. (In-tent, marquee, geddit?!)
MartinR
Been done before?

Arsenal have spent nothing and they finished 4th.

Spurs have bought Paulinho who is a minor improvement but still have just 2 strikers and Bale looking like leaving.

Everton have signed players from relegated Wigan and have a new manager who is clueless.

Liverpool have got rid of the irrational Shelvey, the human lump that is Carroll and Reina who has been replaced by a better keeper.

Not to mention we will have a full season with Coutinho and Sturridge and also a much more established system. {Ed001's Note - Spurs bought Chadli as well.}

We've added 5 likely first 11 players to the squad this calendar year and the 6th (Alberto) is likely to get decent playing time as well. How many players should we change in 2 windows? All 11?

One of the Eds put it very well before (s)he said the money is there for the right players and good deals - i.e. we won't be held to ransom but if we want someone and the prices & wages are deemed to be fair then we'll go and try to sign them.

30 Jul 2013 13:33:14
Stop the doom and gloom merchants please!
We all want the best for our team but the window does not shut for another month!
Rodgers is building a team and great teams do not always have the most expensive players! The way we are going to play will be more crucial in where we will end up. I am as pessimistic as the next fan, I too worry and want marquee signings but let's give Rodgers a chance first! Last season top4 was achievable! Too many silly draws and losses where we totally dominated! Come on guys, Rodgers wants us to stand up to the big spenders and we will!
The way some fans, our own fans, write our players off makes my blood boil! We have very very good players: Sturridge is the fastest striker in the PL and one against two, he will skin the defenders, Agger, Coutinho, Lucas are all very very good players and in Stevie Gerrard we have a fantastic general conducting his troops. Look at Pirlo, Gerrard is a much more dynamic player than Pirlo, so there is another 4 years left to our captain. Sterling and Ibe will scare the life out of defenders! Borinin will come good and surprise everyone! Suarez whether he goes or stays either way we will benefit!
We are Liverpool, my friends, the greatest team with the greatest fans, so let us stop moaning and instead to look forward. There will be other signings that will surprise us, just have faith.
BR and his team don't just sit around and have chats. they work 24/7 to make Liverpool a force and they will!
P.S. I will love it if Rafa wins the Serie A or CL just to burn Mourinho's bum!
YNWA

Good post, until borini will come good!

30 Jul 2013 13:56:51
Great Spirit. I loved it. Quiet frankly Napoli could win the league with the squad they have got another CL would end Mous arrogance for sure

Give up beating the Borini drum.

He's a championship player at best.

30 Jul 2013 13:27:18
Not 100%, but I have been told that Skyrtel is close ton agreeing terms with Napoli, and as per Brendans policy, he will only finalise the deal after a replacement is brought in.

This is looking very much like it will be Papadopolous, which IMO would be a brilliant signing.

Bridgy07

30 Jul 2013 14:21:52
Would be the best buy of summer, would sort our defence problems for ever.

If true then what sort of price we looking at for Skrtel? Has to be above £10M for sure as he's a proven Epl & International player and is still only 28 yrs old. Also Papa is a very good player but I think he will cost more than the £13M that's being reported i'd say around £16M or so.

I think both could achieve between £14-18 million.

Skrtle will leave on loan 100%

I'd love this to be true. £10m for Skrtel would be fair, imo, after a poor season and being out of favour. £15m Papa. Coates could be sold to help fund it and we don't need Coates seeing as BR seems to have little or no faith in him anyway.

30 Jul 2013 13:16:48
I wonder if BR will play Suarez on Saturday?
It'll be like tossing the gladiator into the lions den me thinks.

30 Jul 2013 13:10:24
Hey guys, did anyone else read Reina's letter to Liverpool fans? It was a good read.

Yesterdays news, check posts from then.

30 Jul 2013 12:56:12
what real options do we really have in the suarez saga? keep a player, who will stink the place out with his moods.let him sit on the bench, and see his valuation drop by tens of millions.play hard ball that will go down to the wire, for the extra £5m, leaving us no time or missing out on the likes of soldado.
i think we all know now that he is going, and prob to the gooners.get the deal done asap £40m with 15% sell on, and let's move on.

30 Jul 2013 12:34:40
Hi Eds, with us being back from our tour do you think there could be a few deals to be done now ins and out? Skrtel has been linked with Napoli again and as you have answered we are being linked with Papadopolous but still no bid. Lorenzo Melgarejo another person we have been linked with, but I have also read we could be looking at Paulo Machado do you know of any interest? Suspect we will get to see him close up during the game on Saturday for Gerrard's testimonial. Cheers for any updates {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

I've used the search function for Machado and nothing comes up? {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of interest right now.}

30 Jul 2013 12:26:30
Hi eds don't post that much but I was watching the match review from lfc tv and john Aldridge said something on the lines of if Suarez stays he's out till September Daniel sturridge might not be fit enuf so that leaves aspas and borini up front I know borini hasn't had much luck with injuries and that but I still think there's a lack of fire power up front especially if aspas or borini happens to get injured but me personally don't think borini can cut it
And I've been thinking would Jackson Martinez be a real possability and would he be intrested in a move should Suarez be sold thanks {Ed002's Note - He won't be available by the time Suarez is sold.}

You can't answer questions about time but you can answer a question using time nice

30 Jul 2013 12:20:08
What's happen to the big signings br was on about know wonder Suarez what's to leave

Yeah, 'cause that's why he wants to leave!

Wot a person!

Yeah because the transfer window shuts at the end of this month doesn't it? Oh wait a minute, maybe it's the end of next month.

There only back from the tour with Ayr and the rest relax shall not be long now before we reenter the market

One of the many reasons Suarezs wants to leave is the lack of big name signings as he doesn't think we can make the top 4 with the players we have?

Br did say we mite bring in a couple of big signings and so far we are being linked to a back up left back on loan

30 Jul 2013 11:40:21
Hi Eds and Fellow Reds,
I was just wondering if Chelsea had any interest in our incredible sulk(suarez). I would rather we sold to Chelsea(A team already rich in talent) than Arsenal(Probably the only one out of the top four we may have a chance of catching).

Thanks,
Faizal {Ed002's Note - Not at this time, but they have been approached again.}

30 Jul 2013 12:35:50
I'll be gutted if we get Rooney and not Suarez. Luis is the forward we need to either lead the line and interchange with our mazacar et al or play off Lukaku. This is pretty simple Mourinho and the board shd understand.

JM is arguably the best coach in world football, I don't think it matters who Chelsea bring in. Jose will make them better

30 Jul 2013 11:32:55
you know i'm honestly starting to think Torres showed more loyalty to LFC than Suarez; Torres was at the club when a lot of promises were made and subsequently broken; and he at least had the decency to hand in a transfer request and forfeit his loyalty bonus or his percentage of the fee.

I think we are going to learn a little more about Suaraez in this transfer window. That he is not valued as highly as he thinks he is. Clearly a bidding war is unlikely for his transfer. Real looking at 100m for Bale and we can only get 40m for El Pistolero!

At least Suarez is giving plenty of advanced notice

30 Jul 2013 11:59:52
Ohh. So suddenly out of no where, Torres has become Mr.innocence.

30 Jul 2013 12:47:34
I would sell him to arsenal for 45 mill ( I don't have anoy other options other than to be in the Majority)
I too am not convinced they would turn their attention to suarez. If not this window, they would sure get Bale next summer, and theya ctually don't wanna replace Higuain, since its been years that real actually played with two strikers,
provided they haven't offlaoded Dimaria who could still use the suarez position out wide right

Isnt it more worrying that consequetively our two main men decide to leave due to lack of ambition on the clubs part

i find this more worrying than anything

sarez is leaving for the same reasons that torres left
i m sure of the owners had said look luis we are splashing the cash this summer we want back in the cl next year none of this would be an issue
tom1975

Suarez is 26 and he wants to play at the highest table, CL football.

Possibly in his oppinion he doesn't see Lfc achieving that in the foreseeable future.

Bale is in a slightly different position in that he has no international career. Let's face it Wales are not likely to qualify for any tournament so he wants CL now

30 Jul 2013 11:05:19
Hi Eds

Are the Player profiles still going? I requested one on Ibe a bit ago, not seen anything yet though.

Cheers {Ed002's Note - This is not the place to be making the request.}

I know, I made the request on the player profiles page. My question was more whether they were still doing the profiles.

. you must fill out a pink sheet. This must be posted to ed007. Once ed007 has stamped the sheet you must find a big tree and run around it 3 times at midnight wearing nothing but an old granny's apron. Then, my friend, only then. Can you make the request for a player profile on Jordan Ibe.
Jackzokay

30 Jul 2013 10:54:36
Im writing this post out of interest in others opinions and out of concern for what may or may not be happening in the background at our club,
I think when we were quoted as being interested in Mkhitaryan we were all excited that we 'did' have the funds to compete for quality players for the first eleven, I also think it was something we didn't really expect as most have us have become used to the new system of buying players with promise for certain amounts of money.

In the last couple of weeks we've seen a bid or two for Suarez, a very successful tour and speculation about many many players come and go, that alongside the loan move of Reina to Napoli that apparently he didn't want and the new rumours of a buy out from someone else in the Arab region of which was denied vehemently by FSG.

This morning we have rumours of malgarejo of Benfica on loan and a letter from Pep Reina to the fans that declares his love for all things LFC and his insistence he wanted to stay and fight for his shirt.
Now we all know its silly season and many many twitter rumours and bits of nonsense will appear day to day but which parts of all this are true and which are flaky media journalism at its worst?
My own feeling is that its obvious we're lowering the wage bill and we're trying to find players with potential to guide into the LFC way of playing/thinking and I don't think there's anything wrong with that as such but we do also appear to require 2/3 top quality players that can hit the ground running and push us to that elusive top four spot that we crave.

Reinas letter says he didn't expect to leave and it was done behind his back suggesting to me that either they wanted him off the wage bill after signing Mignolet or Rodgers is a sight more ruthless than we think when it comes to knowing what he wants.

Now I can't make up my mind if the gaffer is telling us what we want to hear knowing damn well we don't have the funds and that FSG are reluctant to spend after all the wasted money up to press or if he genuinely wants the best for us and the players he's eyeing up really do fit the style of play and have the potential to make us a top four side again.
Reinas letter would suggest things have been done underhand and if so I feel sorry for him as he was an outstanding clubman and a candidate for vice captain but is it just a case of sour grapes and Rodgers knowing things we thought were the case when it appeared he wanted out to go to Barcelona?

Reina said he wanted to leave for Barca this summer. BR did the right thing and got an excellent replacement, not his fault that the barca move did not materialise. you don't have to have an MBA to know that makes no sense to have players on a 100k plus weekly salaries sitting on the bench.
I like pepe, however the sniping in his letter was childish. he initiated all this in the first place. The club comes first, not the players.
Paul Mc

Pepe, by his own admission, wanted a move to Barca. We were at the whim of Valdes. If Valdes decided to leave Barca then Pepe was on his way. Is that loyalty? And if this was the case what if some other 'big club' came calling? Brendan wasn't sure if Pepe was truly committed. There were Arsenal rumours. I think Brendan, quite rightly, saw the goalkeeping position as absolutely pivotal and moved to guard it. Given that Pepe had been making noises about a move I think Rodgers did the rig thing. Of course there were other factors. Mig is younger; Pepe was a big earner; a fee gained from Napoli; and likely a decent transfer fee to come when we sell him next summer - considering all these factors together I think Brendan showed his ruthless side - yes, but he also showed that he is capable of putting the interests of the club firmly at the root of his decision-making. Sensible move if you ask me.
Jackzokay

This is not the first time Reina has been looking elswhere.
He has said last 2-3 years in the summer window that he will look into a move if the right club says hello, and that he came to Liverpool to fight for trophys, and it didn't go as he wanted.

It was the right move to let him go, I like him, but he has to understand that his not ireplacable, and the club comes first. Thanks for it all reina!

30 Jul 2013 10:31:22
Would anyone like Gaston Ramirez, quite decent first season, Southampton seem to be going the right way, but surely we could prize him away, we should of brought him last summer. Not sure why we didn't. I think he will be quality this year after a year to get used to the prem.

Maybe Luis wouldn't feel like he wanted to leave with more friends

Luis is only friends with money.

As are most players Mushroom.

The Irish Rover

No thanks. I thought he was only a little better than average last season I don't see him being anywhere near good enough for us in CAM which is his best position.

If it were 'simply' money, I am sure that could be resolved at his present club.

I won't disagree with you Irish.

"If it were 'simply' money, I am sure that could be resolved at his present club."

Above poster is spot on, fans try to convince themselves that its money to avoid the fact that we aren't winning trophies.

Jak

I'm pretty sure if we were to give Suarez a couple of million, pay his loyalty bonus and them give him some more millions along with a huge pay rise, then I'm sure he will stay.

30 Jul 2013 10:19:31
hey eds, any chance of us going in for either sigurdson or dempsey? could get us 10 goals from midfield and would fit in well across 3 behind sturridge.

Because they did so well for Spurs last season didn't they?

Sigurdsson offers nothing other than goals and he didn't get too many last season so what did he contribute? Dempsey's general play is better but he also had a poor season, was borderline too expensive for his age last year (for the owners) and now he's a year older and would likely cost the same (was in his final year of his Fulham contract).

All in all neither of them would improve us, Dempsey would be better as he could cover more positions but we're trying to move away from having older players on big wages sitting on the bench.

As Liverpool fans I find it hard how you know how well they actually did last term? For a start they both turned us down to join spurs and basically be squad players, which is embarrassing in its own right, I know a heck of a lot of spurs fans! They thought when called upon they did very well, considering they wereplayed out of position most of the time they were used! I think they would have improved us had they joined us! Dempsey is for sale i'm told? Siggi isn't! We were linked with gylffi a few weeks ago? He said he would rather stay and fight for a place? Again embarrassing

They "would" have improved us is past tense. These players won't improve us now.

Embarrassing getting turned down by someone we didn't go for? Yawn we "missed out" on him again. Yes he turned us down 12 months ago but not in the last few weeks.

Do you really think he's the quality CAM we want? What's his general link up play like? Shooting was poor last season you don't need to be a spurs fan to see these things.

Embarrassing is your post mate. You need to get your facts straight.
Sigurdsson turned us down as Spurs offered him higher wages and we wouldn't match them. If we had of done, he would have been a Liverpool player, but we deemed him not worth it.
We never agreed to pay the fee for Dempsey so he had no opportunity to turn us down. Spurs were the only team he could have gone too.

If we'd got them we wouldn't have been in for Sturridge & Coutinho. I know which pair I prefer or just a few million more.

Kidder

30 Jul 2013 09:49:31
Ed. mng and great site.

I am sure Arsenal would go as high as 42-45 mill for him and why don't we just negotiate at 45 mill and sell him ASAP.
yes we would loose 2 mill, But that's it, we would suerly get a rough of 42 mil in straight cash, since we are desp in getting rid of him.
What are we waiting?, untill august 31st and real comes with 30 mill and suarez hands in a TR?
Exactly what's going on inside?
Are we expecting Arsenal to come with a 50 mill offer?
or we are waiting till suarez hands in a TR to save 2 mill.?
Y ain't we making a deal with arsenal?

ED Said a couple of week before that he could go at 40 mill.
and what's this selling to you rivals?
If he is supposed to be sold and Arsenal are the only bidder, what's the problem here?

We have a simple issue which has to be sorted weeks before. We need to sell him, Arsenal would never go at 50 mill, why don't we negotiate to a reasonable offer and sell him?

Y are fans botherd here with what arsenal would do with suarez in their team?
If our courrent team isn't ready for Top4, then that's it. we can't stop others buying or selling.

Have you ever thought that the Ed's may be wrong - and BR does actually want to keep him - if that is the case, then why should we negotiate - there is obviously a price to sell - if someone bids it - he goes, if they don't he stays, and don't be fooled by the nonsense that we don't want a player who doesn't want to be here - if he stays he will have a hell of a season, to ensure his stock remians high.

You've changed your tune Harry. I'm pretty sure you said the other day we should not sell him to Arsenal.

Eds, how come you can't search posters names any more? It just keeps saying sorry nothing found. I know you can click on posters names but that just gives their last 5 responses/posts. {Ed002's Note - No idea.}

He's a top player, a self centered, nutter, but a great player.You don't sell your most influential player to your nearest rival, for less than what you think he's worth.Sell him abroad for 40 million.Don't sell to a prem club unless they overpay.It's the way the big boys play.

John B I think this is the definition of blind faith. If a player wants to leave why would BR want to keep him?
Also IF he did stay (I couldn't make the IF any bigger), why would he be concerned about keeping his stock high?

Mushroom,

Harry changes his tune when it suits him.

The real AG

30 Jul 2013 11:45:34
To Real AG and Mushoroom.

No mate, I stand by my opinion, I would personally want to stay him here, probably only me.
But since the majority wants him to be shipped out, and He himself has stated his desire to play in CL.
My points stands correct.

What are we waiting?, Say we get 45 mill from arsenal, or probably we can negotiate to a deal of 45 mill for him, why are we not selling him?

You guys want him to be sold ASAP and an amount of 45 mill is a fair price compared to his attitude, blah blha. and all other nonsense he brings.

Y don't you take the money and do what you can to your club?

We cannot simply wait untill Real or any foriegn club comes with an offer and we fail to find a replacemen?

Or you guys still want luis suarez with us and score another 30 goals next seaosn, provoded you have already ripped him here.

Thats simply shame. you wanna sell him. and then do it. goddamm.

Cavani went for 54mill with an excelent atttitude on and off the pitch. 45 mil for a mugg, ugly, person, rubbish suarez is a great bit of business.

You know what yours problem is.
You need his goals, assist, and his footballing genius, But you can't stand him.
You guys also knows Liverpool simply cannot attract some excellent players.
You also fear if he goes to arsenal then we are litreally screwed with the Top 4.

Or If you are so confident that we could do better, then please sell him.

Arsenal have not bid any higher than the £40m + £1 Harry. If we tell them we want to negotiate then they will know that we are desperate and they are likely not to budge a whole lot higher. Referencing sales like Cavani for close to £55m is basically saying come back with a good bit more before we'll even sit down, imo.

I think £45m and they will negotiate with Arsenal. Maybe £40m might be enough for Madrid I don't know how serious they would take selling to a rival.

30 Jul 2013 12:27:54
Sean Ireland.

Thanks amte, Valid Point, A week ago Suarez agent stated a 40 mill would be enough to prize him away, I can see arsenal coming up with a 45 mill offer and not more than it.
Either we should accept it and sell this so called, nutter, mugg ugly idot rubbish suarez to Arsenal and use the fund wisley.
Or wait untill real comes with an offer, might be on August 31st and Suarez Jumps with joy and hands in a TR to join his fav club and we watch the birds in the sky without replacemnt.

To all those
If you believe no player is Big than the club, why on earth are you worried where the player is joining?

Sell him, save the club from Embarassment and use the money to spend it on other players.

PSG wanted Cavani and paid over 50m to get him. Falcao went to Monaco for about 50m. We are not selling Suarez for anything below 50m as that is the price we have placed on him. I don't care that the player has issues or not as there are other top players who have no issues but are injury prone and quite expensive too. So, if Arsenal want him, they should pay what he is worth. If they won't pay the money, then they should to look elsewhere.

It's clear as daylight that Wenger's Arsenal is only interested in returning a profit at the end of every season, and are contented with top 4. So, they must know that they can't eat their cake and still have it. They either break the bank and pay what Suarez is worth, or just stick to smoking their hard stuff.

If I owned the club Harry I would sell him!
We are a far better team without Suarez in it. We don't need his goals as others will score without him. We certainly don't need his attitude and the stuff that spouts from his mouth.
You said the other day that the club would lack ambition if we sold to Arsenal, now all of a sudden we should sell to them and that's great.
Maybe you should read what you have previously put.
By the way, maybe a few English lessons wouldn't go amiss either.

We might desperately want rid of him but it suits the club to get as much money as possible and I'm glad we're forcing him to stay unless an acceptable offer comes in for him. Sick of us suiting him. If we don't get the improved offers then we keep the player and the club may want rid but publicly they've come out saying they want to keep him and they can just make that point again if he was still with us 3rd Sept.

Harry do you ever get tired of posting absolute crap on this website?

Jak

30 Jul 2013 09:32:22
this lorenzo malejaro we are hoping to sign he his absolutely terrible at defending. I watched the euro cup final last season did he not get brought off at half time? the commentators were slating him for being the weak link. it begs the question why are we looking at a left back that can't even get a game with benfica he's not a regular starter.

30 Jul 2013 09:52:22
Its a loan deal. we wouldn't keep him, if he isn't good enough. relaax

I ahve watched for a while now, he was a LW turned into a LB, he has a very good left foot and he's finishing is awesome

Haha brilliant, his finishing is awesome! I haven't seen the lad but awesome finishing isn't usually high on the list of priorities for a LB

30 Jul 2013 13:05:18
Sean Ireland.

You beautyyy mate. h. that was kool.

Maybe he's being brought in for LW and it would allow enrique to over lap better as he has experience as a LB

30 Jul 2013 08:26:00
Hi Eds

I am sad to see Pepe Reina leave as he is a diamond and a legend in my eyes. However, should I be right in thinking these players we have at the club didn't get us 4th spot for the last few seasons so if they say what makes us think they will get us 4th this season.

hope that makes sense?

Red said fred

30 Jul 2013 06:51:00
reina is correct when he says he felt let down.
he asked to go home if the chance came and said if not he would sign a new deal.
he was being very honest and after 8 years we should have not forced him too leave.
business is business but reina stayed longer than anyone and never said a bad thing about the club and the fans.
he lost form the last few seasons but I wish him well.
malta

The thing with this and the way it was played out, the club did the right thing in a business sense.If you run a firm and one of your employees approached you and told you that they were considering leaving.You would take it that they are not happy or want more money.Considering that the player has not been as prolific as he once was the Manager had a decision to make.Rodgers decided that he didn't want him has his no 1, for whatever reason, and replaced him, Forget the we save Pepe's 4 million wage, because we paid 9 million plus wages for Mignolet to replace him.It comes down to the Manager wanting a more consistent hungrier goalkeeper, he doesn't need to lie about bringing in competiton for places.Paisley would have just replaced him, with no explanation.

30 Jul 2013 09:36:55
�When It comes to pepe, its a business, and when it come to others, its pure Emotion and loyalty.
Lets not talk about the hungerness here, there are players in our club who would never fit into these category and should have been replaced with better hunger players.

I love Pepe to bits but he made it clear he wanted the Barcelona position over a year ago?So he shouldn't be whinging about how the loan move was conducted.

Not an ideal scenario but we prepared ourselves to suit HIM - he warned us he wanted to leave if Barca came forward as expected. It's not our fault they didn't - maybe his agent should have checked this with Barca rather than the tabloids before telling Liverpool.

£110k a week possibly on the bench is expensive sentamentality. We simply can't afford to waste large sums of money.

30 Jul 2013 01:21:11
A couple of people are saying we've signed Melgarejo on loan from Benfica, sources being SportsIllustrated (not one I trust, obviously) and the Sunday Times (but it's Duncan Castles not either of the Tonys).

Anything in this? {Ed002's Note - At this time no. Of more interest is why you don't trust Sports Illustrated?}

If none of the " Tony's " of the Times haven't said it then it could be true - because nothing either of them report ever comes to fruition.

30 Jul 2013 05:30:42
If the story can be believed, Arsenal are reluctant to raise the bid for Suarez anymore.

Well I'm shocked to my very core, anyone see this coming? Arsenal bailing before the asking price was in danger of being met?

I'm not sure Arsenal tactics in trying to get the best deal for themselves is the problem, more the fact that it's all being played out in public to try anf force our hand.

Also I'm sorry but if bale is worth 90million + then what's LS real value and please don't give me well he done this and that - you can't get a little bit pregnant, you either buy him or you don't! £60million now for me :-)

RedLee

And who, exactly, is going to pay 60m? In that case, why not ask for 120m?

Transfers don't work that way. Bale is irrelevant to what we may get for Suarez.

True but I don't see many takers at £60m. Then we would be left with a player who clearly doesn't want to be here with his body language and moaning eating into the motivation the rest of the squad has. BTW has anyone seen Suarez's new facial expression for the preseason with big, doleful eyes saying 'please fans, don't hate me, I'm only little Luis'. Hilarious.
The price will be what a club is prepared to pay and we may not get what we feel is full value but we will make a profit and be able to re invest a sizeable amount to improve the squad.

Why make the competition harder to beat by selling them your best player.Arsenal only let Van Persie go for top dollar when he only had a yr left.They held out and got a bloody good deal.We don't have to sell him for peanuts, because he wants to go.We should stand our ground, like Fergie did with Heinze to us. We should tell them don't come back unless you have a 50 million offer, goodbye.

Arsenal are being told by the Suarez camp that they have met the 'release clause' so, to be fair, why would Arsenal bid any more?
Suarez is seeking legal advice and is looking to go to the premier league to sort this out regarding the 'clause'.
Just shows how much Suarez values money over everything as we would find it difficult if Suarez just handed in a transfer request, which he has no intention of doing. {Ed002's Note - It is really best to avoid discussion of these various clauses.}

Let whoever he wants look at the contract and the clause and still tell Arsenal the price is 50 million.Play Hard ball like other teams do we have been far too soft of late.Let him stew till the result of arbitration and court cases.Arsenal fans should look at what they are trying to buy.A self centered, spoilt kid.We can't play him for six games anyway, Sell him in January or next yr, F*** him.

30 Jul 2013 02:52:47
I'm sorry for the long post but feel the need to clarify how much LFC mean to FSG. A TV news person here in the states by the name of Joe Scarborough told this story on his news program when the take over was done. He was never really a fan of soccer but is a lover of baseball and the red sox at that. He has friends in the FSG offices and would visit them often . On one such visit he went into the office lobby and saw a shrine set up dedicated to Istanbul. He asked what it was. His friends couldn't believe what he asked, they explained what it was and made him sit and watch the final. He is now a football fan and a supporter of LFC. The reason, besides what he saw in the final, was the passion they had for LFC. He never experienced anything like it and since that day has been a supporter. He was over the moon when FSG took over for he knew the passion they have for LFC. They want one thing for the club, success. But they know they need to build it from the ground up. Perhaps you don't like some signings, fair enough, feel they haven't spent enough, fair enough. But do not question their commitment to bringing LFC back to the heights where it belongs. A football club can't be about instant gratification, some are but so what, do we want to be? I don't. Would it be great to win the league this year, of course. But, I wouldn't if it meant not building the club back up properly. We'll get there and sooner would be nicer but it needs to be done properly so we can have continued success and be self sufficient and not needing a new multi millionaire owner to buy us glory. That's all folks, rant over. YNWA, BERGENRED

Absolutely spot on. I don't want a suga-daddy bringing in pompous money grabbing prats to my club. I'd like to see the club build in the manner Dortmund have - or at least try. I'd like to watch it unfold with a sound footballing vision and philosophy. Manchester City and Chelsea football clubs repulse me. Football is being destroyed by clubs that engage in such money-based nonsense. The God given talent of footballers themselves is being destroyed by the love of money as they are happy to collect it in exchange for 'rotting' on a bench or in the reserves. I don't want Liverpool Football Club to be associated with such nonsense. let's do it the old fashioned way. Get behind the manager, lads. If it doesn't work well, it doesn't work. We start again.
Jackzokay

Agree. We must try to do it the Dortmund way.

Otherwise we become just like all the other clubs.

Dortmund will ALWAYS be behind bayern because if the money they have and the players they can attract. Same goes with us and arsenal, the only way to get ontop of the league is to have a lot of money to spend otherwise 5/4 is all we will get

30 Jul 2013 02:13:27
Gaston Ramirez, Ryan Bertrand, Loic Remy and Scott Sinclair coming in?

Urgggggggh. That would be a horrid final week to the transfer and an inflated one price wise.

CC

29 Jul 2013 23:54:57
Pepe's honest admission about wanting to go to Barcelona was basically showing a lack of commitment.
I appreciate his past, but we can't have passengers in our journey. If you're not 100% committed then expect to be moved on.

Shankly would not have stood for a lack of commitment.

Shankly. jesus, move on. That was back in the 60's.

Times are completely different now

I agree times are different, but you should never disregard what the great man did for our club.

29 Jul 2013 23:46:29
I am laughing when People Hard Tackling Midfielder. Every player Tackles and Lucas is never a Hard Tackler and he is the top DMF couple of Seasons Ago.

Hard tackling midfielders don't play football anymore. They are a thing of the past.

If you have to make a tackle you have already lost possession of the ball and lost control of your pressing and defensive structure. It should be a last resort to get the ball back. Lucas' talent is in the reading of the game and winning the ball back before a tackle is required.

29 Jul 2013 23:03:28
Eriksen, Sanchez and Papadopoulos needed. no messing about A.S.A.P!

Yes please. RedTurk

Sanchez won't move to a team not playing CL football.

Agree with Eriksen & Sanchez as they alongside Coutinho and behind Sturridge would ease the loss of Suarez and also deliver the goals that we would loose, Papa i'd like but feel with his arrival its going to push Wisdom & Kelly down the pecking line so i'm more than happy to keep Toure, Agger, Skrtel, Wisdom & Kelly as the CB options.

29 Jul 2013 22:45:49
The holy trinity.

A creative, goal scoring midfielder. A wide man who could glide past defenders and a deadly striker.

Through the years, successful Liverpool teams had all three. I'm blessed to have seen McDermott, Heighway and Dalglish thrash Spurs in '78. Then there's arguably LIverpool's best team with Beardsley, Barnes and Aldridge.

Today Liverpool have Coutinho and Sturridge. I still think Liverpool are missing that edge of your seats wide man.

Who is that player? To be honest I couldn't name him. Do any of you or the Eds fancy having a go? {Ed001's Note - I can't think of one, they seem to have vanished from the game these days.}

Downing?

Melbourne CFC

Hazard robben and bale is all I can think of. Realistic for us I'd say Lennon was outstanding last year.

Robben is that kind of player, we need to find a winger like him.
ibe could be that player in 2/3 years time.
we could have ibe and sterling on both wings in time.
sterling for me is on fire in pre season you can really see that he growing he even seems faster than before.
same will happen with ibe.

Gareth Bale, juan Mata, Eden Hazard And Ronaldo but obviously no chance! Not sure what position Messi plays in to be honest!

29 Jul 2013 22:10:04
Do you think we are waiting for the Suarez transfer before we complete further signings, We are continually linked to Eriksen, Alderwierald, Soldado and various full backs but things don't seem to be moving on despite Reports that we have untouched our budget.

Clee red

I think the three players you have mentioned are more likely to go to Spurs, mate.Probably nr deadline day, the way Levy Likes to play the game.He will put in a silly offer for the two Ajax lads, for something like 15million for them both.

We can't spend what we don't have.
What we get for Suarez (and others) determines who we can go out and buy and even then BR may not have all the funds made available to him

29 Jul 2013 21:08:49
Players come and go.

LFC will remain.

No time for self serving players that in reality don't give a stuff about the fans.

Players are paid more than enough -Do your jobs whilst playing for us and stop bleating about how 'let down' you all are when playing Russian Roulette trying to get a move elsewhere.

If you're not committed to club then best to depart.

Adios, to Luis and Pepe . move on and concentrate on players that actually want to play for us.

M

Wow, first post of yours I have ever agreed with. Spot on, M.

cozinoz

29 Jul 2013 21:04:16
I felt Michu tailed off a lot towards the end of the season so in response to Maccas question I think it would be a big gamble of 20m plus for a player with effectively half a season of quality performances (reminds me of big andy). I would like to think we could get someone with perhaps a bit more proven quality rather than take a risk on Michu. Jimbo