Liverpool Banter Archive January 30 2018

30 Jan 2018 21:30:43
The Swans are actually doing us a favour too tonight so far, long may that continue.
Let's pray our lads stay tight to the end now, no need to go gung-ho.
Take the 2 nil, 3 point and get out of there asap.
Big game at the weekend then.

30 Jan 2018 21:36:39
Don't feel so bad about the Swansea result seeing how arsenal are getting buried. from 1 nil ahead.

30 Jan 2018 21:36:41
Or 3 nil :)

30 Jan 2018 21:49:52
Could say Swansea took a liberty with arsenal. pun intended.

29 Jan 2018 11:56:47
Hope it was a great weekend for Ed333 with him getting married and all, you poor bugger mate, I'll be in the same boat this year, god help me. :)

{Ed0333's Note - thanks salah for your best wishes. Congratulations to you and your beloved for your big day. I just am recovering now from the weekends celebrations but I have to say she’s been a better wife than she was a girlfriend but it’s only day 3 lol.

30 Jan 2018 21:01:38
Congrats to the two of you guys!

Hope you have many happy years with your significant others ahead.

Watch the joint account drain like the colour on your faces :)

Only kidding, enjoy fellas!

{Ed0333's Note - thanks Kev. I really appreciate your best wishes enjoy the second half mate.

30 Jan 2018 21:05:03
My pleasure mate!

30 Jan 2018 21:05:13
You too!

30 Jan 2018 21:05:24
My condolences lads 😂😂.

{Ed0333's Note - that was funny Naby I’m chuckling out loud.

30 Jan 2018 21:11:45
Cheers Ed333 and OIrish :) hahaha Nabys, brilliant lol.

30 Jan 2018 21:12:24
Ed0333 you really should have talked to me first mate😁.

{Ed0333's Note - she hid my cell phone mate so I couldn’t. She heard about your legendary powers of persuasion

30 Jan 2018 21:15:18
Sorry Ed, I'll get my coat.

30 Jan 2018 21:39:23
Ah congrats Ed - many happy years of being ignored and not getting any....

{Ed0333's Note - friggin hilarious Kdfirst. I’m sorry I had to censor the last word of your post as I’d have to explain it to Ed’s 001 because no ones taught him about the birds and bees yet.

30 Jan 2018 22:21:33
Myself and herself were fighting over who’ll do the hoovering. I lost and she did it (great husband me) .

Anyways. She said that the hoover wasn’t sucking anymore.

I said there thinking to myself, it must have gotten married while we were out.

30 Jan 2018 22:17:41
@ed0333 🤣🤣👍.

30 Jan 2018 22:31:35
A wedding ring the best contraceptive ever 🤣.

30 Jan 2018 22:27:24
Ed333 welcome to the beginning of the end. Il say a prayer for you, unless my wife sees me and puts me back in my kennel.

{Ed0333's Note - I’m sure the doghouse is gonna be in my destiny in the real near future mate.

30 Jan 2018 19:09:10
Can someone help me understand FIFA financial fair play rules I'm struggling to understand how man city can keep signing all these players this season and not break these rules.

{Ed002's Note - If you don’t understand the finances best forget about them. And it is nothing to do with Liverpool.}

30 Jan 2018 21:02:51
Take a closer look at the Aaron mooy signing, that will give you a better idea of what man city do. Redknapp hinted at it on lfc TV and even mourinho has hinted at it. Buy for pennies from sister clubs, loan out then sell for millions. They do it a lot.

30 Jan 2018 21:14:03
Oh and if you doubt that, just watch what happens with this guy they just brought in from New York City. Diskeurd or something like that.

30 Jan 2018 17:57:42
Hands up.

How many support this club for what the club is.

Hands down, go count your pubic hairs. Might be more fun pissing and moaning on here all day long?

30 Jan 2018 18:06:28
Brilliant!

30 Jan 2018 18:23:48
You see, there is nothing wrong with showing negativity but constant receptive negativity surely is a sickness?

Man, even I have a dig at Klopp for still selecting Mignolet but does not mean I am going to make post after post after post after post of how shite the club is, including the players, the manager and the owners and the transfer windows.

Liverpool is not a play thing. It is a football club in a far better position than what we found ourselves in the past.

Get a bloody grip :-)

30 Jan 2018 18:30:38
2 hands down so far 😄.

30 Jan 2018 18:33:41
It's likely a reflection of their real lives mate, like a troll - sad!

30 Jan 2018 18:36:56
I agree, Max. Migs should never have been put back in after being dropped and him mouthing off in the media and being a spoiled brat about it. Having said that, the constant bleating on and on and on about the how the club is crap, players and manager are just cos they are not doing what these "fans" want. LFC is an institution and as Max said, we are WAY better than where Klopp found us and if cos he has not won a trophy fast enuff for you, you want him gone then go ahead and force him out and see where that gets you.

30 Jan 2018 19:11:49
I believe that fans are getting very frustrated at what is happening at present with the team and Klopp, and they, me included blow off a bit of steam here on this site,
remember this site when we beat Man City, talk about being over the moon,
it seems to be the Liverpool way to make a mess of things, while the grass seems so much greener else where,
we need to re group, and get a couple of good wins under our belt, and all will be well again .
next season, yes next season, we will be so much better,
but Klopp needs to get an elite Keeper .

30 Jan 2018 19:23:57
Dont play the martyr, its the nature of football to complain when its not right, but don't worry yourselves, you superfans are way more important than the rest of us.
Ive supported this club 40 years and for half of that we've been run poorly, don't tell me after the last two games you all went hey that was ok we are an institution after all, of course not, none of us stop supporting but some of us don't act all superior when it comes to opinions, people are entitled to gripe, i still can't believe people are convincing themselves our best player hasn't just left, its truly laughable, ill await all the match winning 30 yarders going in now shall i? Probably not then.
Weve been dire more times than exciting this season, we still can't defend and we still unbelievably need a keeper.
I personally support through thick and thin and the wind and the rain and now my 13 year old daughter is the same, but seriously, we're not blind, we need the 3 points tonight not just numerically but to regain some momentum
YNWA ya precious lot.

30 Jan 2018 21:17:03
This club has given me some of the best moments of my life. Some people are just ignorant to how lucky they are to support a club that gives you Champions League finals and wins, cup wins, great games against top opposition year in year out. I was born in ‘77 so have seen us win leagues, doubles, trebles. We’ve celebrated together, we’ve cried and unfortunately mourned together.
But hey, we sold Couts (when he forced a move) and haven’t replaced him so apparently we are the worst team in the world to support.
These people need to get a grip or better still go and support the Mancs.

30 Jan 2018 21:19:46
People asking should klopp go imo is laughable but it's their opinion and is typical of the modern day fan, the fan created by clubs greed, sky's greed and footballers greed. I would of been raging ten years ago with anti klopp posts, but these people now are products of their environment so it goes over my head.

30 Jan 2018 23:46:11
Brilliantly done, Waro.

30 Jan 2018 17:45:49
Too many fake fans on this site.
Wanting klopp out, or doubting his ability to take Liverpool forward. He has taken them forward and we have a proper squad now opposed to being a 1-2 man team as we have been for many many years before.

Some people on here should just buy a Man City shirt then every window you can wonder with amazement all the millions your club has spent and how great it Is.

Truth is you'd still find a reason to moan.

30 Jan 2018 18:42:13
Agree Mag, they don't understand the club at all.

I honestly find myself asking why "fans" support a club, when all they do is moan about everything that happens around it?

Even if we finish 6th, I still want Klopp to be manager next season, we have a lot of competition in the division and you can't expect things to go right all the time.

Even back in the old days, we'd finish 6th one season and 1st the next, we'd lose nearly every game 4 or 5 nil in pre-season but yet still dominate in the main season.

A famous, great and wise (not Yoda) football man once said "You never always get what you want" in football or in life, it's how you respond to not getting it that makes you what you are - a moaner or a fighter.

30 Jan 2018 18:45:45
Magic, Comparing us to City is like comparing the Minnesota Vikings to the New England Patriots with the Vikings fans complaining why they are not as good and as the Patriots. Complete nonsense and non argument, really.

Also, Poch has won nothing in his career and nothing at Spurs while being longer at Spurs than Klopp at LFC. They are 5th BUT I don't see their fans panicking. Could that be that they know what they have and tho frustrated, they don't wanna go overboard? And don't give me the "We are LFC" nonsense cos that is just complete trash, laced with unfounded petulance and self entitlement cos no one owes us a damn thing and if we wanna win, we're going to have to earn it.

As I have said before, if you want Klopp out cos he has not won the PL or a trophy fast enough for you then GO RIGHT AHEAD. When he is gone and you have Marco Silva (who one poster shamelessly wanted to replace Klopp with after the Spurs game) in and he starts struggling, fire him again and let me know after 100 years if LFC have won the PL yet doing that nonsense.

30 Jan 2018 21:18:37
Well that's how most of you on here started supporting Liverpool!

The famous Mrs Merton line comes to mind, "Debbie what first attracted you to the millionaire magician Paul Daniels", Istanbul happened and we suddenly became very attractive to some people.

The way football fans are treated, they would be better off abandoning one team for another, because your a customer now not a fan.

31 Jan 2018 00:41:11
Waro, nobody is holding you hostage as a LFC fan to my knowledge.

30 Jan 2018 16:48:45
Just had quick look on Skyscanner and there are no direct flights from Rome to John Lennon tonight. However, there is a direct flight tomorrow landing at 13.45 for £46. Looks like we want have to watch the yellow band on Sky tonight for on Mr Alisson unless he hires the Babelcopter.
Come on guys, where have all the old school rumours gone, especially in the build up to tomorrows deadline?

30 Jan 2018 19:22:04
Ha Cornish, I will have a man at John Lennon airport tommorow, tho, I don't really think we will get anyone in on the last day .

30 Jan 2018 21:21:23
Ken Aguero is still in a taxi buzzing round liverpool somewhere.

30 Jan 2018 15:42:37
What surprised me about the West Brom match was the defence changes.
We're bedding in our main man (VVD) . It makes sense for him to be on the pitch with our first choice keeper as much as possible, to continue that build up of understanding. Yet for some reason old smoke arms was put in goal. Not only that, but to also change bother fullbacks. A player returning from injury in Moreno and a player that hadn't played for what seemed like 2-3 months in TAA. At least give the team a steady back 5 to build on. Migs promotes panic, does not command his 6 yard area, doesn't seem to organise his defence, hesitates and flaps in most situations and has poor distribution. Our defence has a disease that needs curing before it spreads to VVD. Surely if Karius is promoted to 1st choice keeper, then it makes no sense to now give My Migs the cups. Dies this mean that Migs will be the CL keeper? I really hope not.

30 Jan 2018 16:13:44
I think your perception of Trent has been altered slightly by how thick and fast games come in late december/ early Jan - he played 90mins for us against Burnley on New Years Day and a big of the Everton match the following weekend.

30 Jan 2018 16:14:59
Hi Red I agree with some of your post but we play a game in 3 hours maybe the biggest game of the season so far. Let's hope the players are not still going over the West Brom game. Park the West Brom game for now and support the team in a very important match.

I for one hope Milner plays tonight because we can rely on him to give 100%, not back out of any challenges and cover the full backs. Tonight is a game for our players to stand up and be counted.

30 Jan 2018 16:24:49
To be honest its decisions like this that are making the fans question klopps ability as a manager. Im beginning to think that while he is a better coach than rodgers he may be just as stubborn and illogical in the players he chooses to keep in the team.

30 Jan 2018 16:39:12
I agree regarding Mignolet. Why he is still starting matches is beyond me!

The only man who can give the answers is Klopp. Maybe Klopp does not trust any of Karius or Mignolet hence the reason why we are after another keeper.

All will become clear this coming summer. One thing is for sure, I highly doubt Mignolet is going to want to be 3rd choice come next season.

30 Jan 2018 16:47:47
@Woolback

Don't all managers make strange decisions? Under Brendan we saw Ings playing as a LWB. Markovic as a RWB. Firmino did not know where he was playing under Brendan.

I love Lucas, but Rafa knew he was an attacking midfielder and decided to turn him into the clubs scapegoat. He still did a good job covering for our defence but bless the guy, he would have scored more goals for us if he was actually deployed as an attacking mid from the start when he joined us.

I can list 100's of of things regarding ineptness of previous managers we have had and the decisions they made. That is life for you with every manager.

Klopp might not be winning things but we are starting to break into the top 4 again.

We have finished top 4 how many times recently?

30 Jan 2018 17:18:08
MarkP08, Milner is shocking in centre midfield. I could list countless games where his positioning and reading of the game has been terrible. Full back is the only position that I would play him, not in the middle, he simply isn’t a centre midfielder.

30 Jan 2018 17:18:19
I look at Citeh and how much their manager rotates. He does not make that many changes and they are fighting on all 4 fronts. I believe we need to play our best 11 consistently if fitness allows.

30 Jan 2018 17:29:34
Mr Dennis in this game it is about getting back to basics. He doesn't need to do anything flash just give 100%. As I can't trust at least 2 of the other contenders he gets my support.

He plays in the center with Henderson. The others had a chance agains't Swansea and then a final chance agains't West Brom. As they failed and were gutless they are out.

30 Jan 2018 18:13:57
Milner can’t get the basics right either. He’s utterly woeful in centre midfield. Of all the poor performances he’s put in when playing there, the Man City game stands out (when his lack of ability in that position almost let them get a draw), as does his performance against Sevilla in the UEFA Cup final, in fact that was one of the worst centre midfield performances I’d seen since Christian Poulsen. There’s a reason he didn’t get games in centre midfield for Man City. Because he’s terrible in that position, anyone who watches the game can see he’s not capable of playing there. The only way he should be a starter is as a fullback. The fact is that we have the worst starting centre midfielders of any of the top six, it’s only the performances of Mane, Salah and Firmino that have disguised those failures. The laughable thing is that you genuinely believe that Milner or Henderson could have made a blind bit of difference if they started either game against Swansea or West Brom. That has left me in hysterics. None of our centre midfield players would start for any of our top six rivals.

30 Jan 2018 18:15:44
But markp with Milner on the pitch, the gaps man. Oh god the gaps. Even Gini or can playing mares leave less space in the middle. His endeavor is great but his positioning is just appalling. I’d prefer a kid from the youth team in instead. At least they’d only get better as the games went on.

30 Jan 2018 18:36:14
Rafa was our best tactician of recent years by a long chalk.
He didn’t make many bizarre decisions. Won the champions league and had us ranked #1 in Europe. We’ve not won much since.
Legendary manager, huge amount of respect for the job he did 🏆.

30 Jan 2018 18:43:42
lets wait and see.

30 Jan 2018 18:50:07
Aoe read the post It is only for this one game I would play him.

30 Jan 2018 18:52:46
Mark, I love your optimism and I'm with you on that. Having said that, Milner is a disaster in CM. The guy was brought on vs City and he was everywhere and nowhere at the same time and did NOTHING to protect the back four and you wonder why City scored two goals after Can left the pitch. Also, Milner had the chance to wack the ball out of the pitch in that game. What does he do? He whacks Aguero that leads to the last minute free kick that had us shaking in our boots. Milner is not the answer and never will be in CM.

30 Jan 2018 19:11:39
Milner just can’t read the game well enough to play in centre midfield, compare him with someone like Lucas Leiva who actually read the game fantastically and did the defensive stuff brilliantly. Milner lacks the intelligence, the organisation and ability to play in the middle like that, he’s a complete liability.

30 Jan 2018 19:17:17
He is not playing agains't City he is playing tonight. All he has to do is match their work rate and application and give the ball to our better players.


He is in the team so we will soon see who is right.

30 Jan 2018 19:25:34
Regardless, any match he plays he leaves gaps. You just can't trust the lad any time. I appreciate its for a single match but I'd still prefer a kid to get a chance.

30 Jan 2018 15:26:00
Right, so can we all just be positive for the game tonight instead of running player, the club and manager down?

Negativity breads negativity.

The game has not even started and some of you are already talking about mediocrity and our season imploding etc.

Question, why do you support LFC?

30 Jan 2018 15:57:49
People aren't happy unless they are moaning mate. We lose 2 games and suddenly everybody is calling the players/ manager from cat to a dog. It's pathetic.

I support Liverpool because I grew up watching them, granted that was way before money interrupted the game but I saw them win a lot with our true legends, I had no choice, I had to support Lfc it was the only way, my dad would've disowned me if I hadn't lol.

I remember been a child and I had one of them football books and I suddenly told my dad I was going to support blackburn lol because I (somehow) liked their logo, I knew nothing about them but I was very young lol that exact day they lost by a high margin and I then decided to convert back to Liverpool, thank god :)

30 Jan 2018 16:30:51
Losing two games can define a season. In our case, miss the chance to get some space between us and 5th and out of the cup early. again.

30 Jan 2018 16:47:08
looks like all the school kids just got home.

30 Jan 2018 17:15:35
Salah have to agree with your sentiment there!

30 Jan 2018 18:38:15
2 people were talking yesterday about missing the game if certain players started - Can, Wijnaldum and Matip.

What kind of support is that? 🤨.

30 Jan 2018 18:59:11
Spot on, Max and Salah. We have lost 5 measly games in all comps. this season (same as Utd but hey) and after each loss, it is complete armagedon on these boards. I think they were itching to moan during the 18 game streak and when we got a loss or two, they would have the knives out.

30 Jan 2018 21:12:56
I picked LFC as their initials spell out "Life's Fecking Cool".

That's the only reason :)

30 Jan 2018 14:50:29
i have a really bad feeling our season is going to implode without another creative input to replace coutinho. yes we have the pace and shooting but we haven't much creativty. we need someone who can play that killer ball. vvd hasn't impressed whatsoever and i think pep played us a good one by pretending he was interested then getting his main target laporte. im feeling really nervous about spurs on sunday kane will tear lovren to shreds again then all of a sudden its crisis time. we are very vulnerable right now, moura could hit the ground running and we all know how good auba is. they could be enough to put spurs and arsenal above us. we really should have either forced couts to stay til the summer even if it meant putting him in the u23s until he ate humble pie or had a replacement lined up. let's hope im wrong but everything feels like its falling apart. klavan should be playing every game he is our best defender easily, henchoz the second. lovren, matip, moreno and migs need shipping asap, the latter have far outstayed there welcome. moreno was awful again against west brom. returning from i jury or not it was a disgrace. it really is make or break and i hope klopp knows what he's doing. it doesn't seem so though as he has blind faith in mediocre players. he needs to be cut throat, imagine fergie with them clowns we have as defenders? would, t have lasted a season. my support will never waiver and i hope im dead wrong but with these deadweights around our ankles and a midfield of headless chickens who run a lot not much more i fear the worst, 6th place and euro league football. klopp off to bayern and a new rebuild. please no.

30 Jan 2018 15:34:24
Aubameyang is a good player, but he's also 29 and 100% reliant on pace. Without his speed he won't even be average. So they better hope he can avoid injury and at least then they'll get a couple of years out of him. He is also really disruptive though and has a shocking attitude. That signing could go either way to be honest.

Moura? Seriously? I'd rather sign Aaron Lennon. He has a better end product. Can add him to the list with Sissoko and Nkoudou of top class pacey players Spurs have signed in the last 2 seasons!

The only one of our rivals who i feel has strengthened, is Man United. Sanchez is awesome when he's up for it, and that salary will sure as hell motivate him! He only has 1 or 2 seasons left at his current level though and United have committed to paying him that wage for a long time beyond his peak years.

Arsenal are purely gambling on Auba getting his act together and even if he and Mkhitaryan both do just that, they will only just be as good combined as Sanchez was alone. They certainly won't have the same kind of inspirational attitude to the game that Sanchez had prior to this season. They'll coast as much as the rest of the squad do.

Chelsea have merely signed player to add excess depth. Barkley isn't good enough and Emerson is a good player, but won't take Alonso's place.

Spurs are set to sign a sprinter.

We on the other hand have sold Coutinho and replaced him with Mane who's missed most of the last year and is the superior left winger anyway. We've sold Sturridge and brought Ings back into the fold who is just as good. And we've added Van Dijk. If we can sign a midfielder or a goalkeeper before tomorrow evening I'll be delighted. I also won't throw in the towel if we don't!

Two bad results and everyone has lost their heads. Be mad about the results, sure. But don't write the bloody season off on January 30th for god's sake.

30 Jan 2018 16:17:11
MK - interesting comment on Moura, on another site I just described him as Brazil's answer to Theo Walcott! Glad to know I'm not alone in this.

30 Jan 2018 16:23:52
Walcott scores more goals 😂 Moura is that bad!

30 Jan 2018 16:43:31
For Moura, read Chadli and Lamela.

30 Jan 2018 13:26:29
Hello Redmen,

Hope all is well,

As promised here is the return of the loan update.

One to add just incase people had not seen the news, Sturridge has joined West Brom on loan for the remainder of the season.

Toni Gomes missed out through injury as Forest Green lost 1-0 to Carlisle.

Allan came on in the 73rd minute as Apollon comfortably beat APOEL 4-0 in a top of the table clash. The win moves Apollon top of the table!

Origi missed out through injury as Wolfsburg won 1-0 away to Hannover.

Chirivella played the full 90 and got a booking for his troubles as Willem II lost 2-0 to AZ Alkmaar. The defeat leaves Willem just 1 point above the drop zone.

Connor Randall came off the bench for a 5 minute run out as Hearts drew 1-1 at home to Motherwell.

Ojo missed out through injury as Fulham won 3-1 away to Barnham.
In his absence Sessegnon debuted in his place in attack and scored twice. It appears Ojo now has a fight to win his place back.

Keita started on the bench but came on aftr an hour as RBL drew 1-1 at home to Hamburg. Reports suggest his appearance has little impact.

Whelan was an unused sub for Yeovil as they lost 4-0 to Man U in the cup.

Virtue was not in the squad as Notts Country drew 1-1 with Swansea in the cup.

Ryan Kent made his debut for Bristol at the weekend, he played for 70mins and got an assist on the stroke of half time to set up the matches opening goal.
Bristol went on to win 2-0.
He has already made more of an impact in 70 mins at Bristol than half a season at Freiburg.

Grujic played for Cardiff at the weekend against Man City in the FA Cup.
Reports on his performance were mixed but its hard to judge any of the Cardiff players on this game!

And that's your lot redmen.

30 Jan 2018 13:37:16
Ojo seems to have been having a good time on loan, very dissapointed that Fulham have bought someone now that will reduce his game time.

30 Jan 2018 13:55:50
Virtue was suspended because he picked up two yellow cards in the last league game for Notts.

Great update Carra. Keep it up mate.

30 Jan 2018 14:06:14
Toni Gomes is back from loan.

30 Jan 2018 14:20:46
Nice one many thanks. A bit worrying about injury and lack of time actually being played by our loaned players.

30 Jan 2018 14:38:44
Carra, you are a great lad doing fantastic work but if you think Naby Keita is on loan you had better get on the 'phone to Leipzig ( and UEFA) .

30 Jan 2018 15:15:26
Ritters you silly billy. Carra explained ages ago he knew Keita wasn't on loan but would include him anyway.

30 Jan 2018 16:22:03
Sorry to all, missed it!

30 Jan 2018 12:18:55
I'm wondering if reports are true.
That Real betis wanted to take Adam on loan? but we declined?

30 Jan 2018 13:44:21
Adam Bogdan? Adam Lallana? Adam Levine? Adam Sandler? Adam Goldberg? Adam West?

30 Jan 2018 13:47:07
Charlie Adam doesn't play for us any more.

30 Jan 2018 13:58:19
I just don't want to take a pay cut. Football is a peasants game.

30 Jan 2018 14:42:16
Adam West, bit of a flyer .

30 Jan 2018 15:16:25
Adam West is a great short term fix. He tends to hit top form straight off the bat.

30 Jan 2018 16:07:45
Adam West isn't quite as mobile as he used to be sadly, stuck in the box now.

30 Jan 2018 21:11:34
Brilliant RedDawn🤣.

30 Jan 2018 21:13:55
He may struggle with movement off the ball (and on the ball for that matter) given he sadly passed away 8 months ago.

Even if he was alive, his filming commitments for Family Guy would've compromised his availability for training and matches.

30 Jan 2018 11:40:07
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Tuesday 30th January 2018

30 Jan 2018 13:23:38
good read, thanks ed. interesting that you have named Van Djik as the most important player. i think the man klopp picks next to him is just as important. a lot of players need to be dropped sfter recent performances (Matip, Can, Mignolet and Moreno) wouldn't mind seeing a back 3 if im honest. maybe gomez, van djik and klavan. don't usually like a back 3 but think it might suit our players better.

quit shout to Roy Hogdson who gets a lot of stick on social media and these pages, but he has done a fantastic job with palace, considering a lot of it was giving them a kick up the backside, he must have shown a lot of enthusiasm for someone who has been in the game so long. great for a mmid table or lower ppremier league club.

{Ed001's Note - forget the important player.}

30 Jan 2018 11:10:33
{Eds Note: If you didn't read it, Noshbag wrote an excellent article - LFC Senior Squad Regulars - A Statistical Analysis: Part 1: Goalkeepers and Defenders

30 Jan 2018 11:45:58
Nice article that thanks. Agree with most of it although generous with your C for Moreno. Highlights how mediocre our back 5 are. Just think what we could achieve with a solid defence and no.1.

30 Jan 2018 12:12:22
I really enjoyed it. As you'd expect with such a long post, their are a few parts i disagreed on. However it was brilliantly articulated and kept me fully engaged throughout.

I look forward to the next instalments, Noshbag.

30 Jan 2018 12:57:00
Really good post and looking forward to the next installment, although something that interests me is the 'errors leading to goals' category. How is that defined? Because I can think of dozen's of times opposition has scored because Mings made a basic error with a fairly loose definition like inexplicably going to ground, or forgoing an easy clearance with his boot to try and catch it etc. But then if there is a might tighter definition like dropping the ball in front of a striker, I'm surprised he's had 6. Can anyone clarify what this figure actually refers to?

30 Jan 2018 14:50:02
Noshbag that is a very informative read. I agree with every grade. last year Moreno would be an E but he deserves his C he has been better than most this year.

De Gea stats are incredible.

01 Feb 2018 14:37:46
Thank you guys, I'm hoping the next instalment will take less than 2 months but there is only so much I can do whilst sat at my desk trying to make it look like I'm actually working!

To answer your post hjickle, I believe they are considered "severe" errors rather than "soft" errors. Those particular figures came directly from the premier league website.

I would have thought if they were including "soft" errors as well then Lovren would have hit the 10 - 20 mark and I dread to think of what mignolets would be. I'm not 100% sure on this though sorry.

30 Jan 2018 10:51:12
Ed001, What is your opinion on the Christian Purslow comments? I don't know enough about him to trust his opinion or not. Thank you.

{Ed001's Note - I have not seen them but I would ignore anything he had to say as the guy is clueless. Getting rid of him was a big step forward for the club.}

30 Jan 2018 11:30:39
Thank you for the response. It seemed like he was just trying to make headlines, but wasn't sure.

{Ed001's Note - he will have been. That sounds very like him.}

30 Jan 2018 12:26:28
His only use was helping to get rid of Hicks and Gillett.

{Ed001's Note - agreed 100%.}

30 Jan 2018 12:58:14
Don't know what Purslow said BUT I watched him on The Debate on Sly and he was spouting out complete nonsense, feeding the pathetic rhetoric that FSG are stingy and don't wanna allow Klopp to spend the Cou money hence, feeding a false narrative to the ignorant or those who are willing to believe it. And he had Danny Murphy (yeah, that guy) concurring with him. I would not pay attention to anything he has to say as he knows either NOTHING about what goes on at LFC or does know and is being dishonest. Either way, not bothered.

30 Jan 2018 10:15:23
Hello all,

First time poster, long time reader.

The reason I have decided to post is that in my opinion current matters at the club are getting really ridiculous.

I have just read that Coutinho was allowed back to Melwood to say his goodbyes to the players. By who and why? His transfer request in the summer truly indicated that he is not happy being a vital part of the squad and tired to force his "dream move" to Barcelona making headlines all around the world and disrupting the team with his attitude, faking injuries. It's not a question of if the club was right to keep hold of him until January, he has no right or reason being there anymore fooling around taking pictures causing disturbance again. What message does it send to the teammates? Whoever authorized this should be sacked with immediate effect.

What message does it send to the current players and future signings that Emre Can is wearing the armband being not committed to club captaining our prestigious club? For how longer he is unable to make up his mind about signing a contract or leaving? He should have been given an ultimatum that he either signs by December 31 or he will be put on the market for sale and sent home. I don't even see reason allowing him training with the reserves.

These are just two current affairs that are totally unacceptable in my opinion. It is free pass for Salah to force his move out in the summer, for Firmino to not sign a new contract and for Mane to leave just because no decent players left around him. A new transition period. I don't even want to get into that.

I love Klopp, I wouldn't want to have him sacked even if we miss out on top 4 this season but the way our club is being run is unacceptable in my opinion.

Thanks Eds for the great work, I truly enjoy reading the articles, opinions and banter daily.

{Ed001's Note - it makes sure that Coutinho will remember his time fondly with us and so, when asked by someone else who is considering a move to join, he would say 'go for it' rather than telling them to avoid them as they are bitter and spiteful. That is a good thing to do. There is a reason we get players to choose us over City etc right now, and that is because they know they will enjoy being a part of the club. If we started being dickish when someone goes, then we stop people remembering their time as a good one, they will just remember being treated badly at the end.

I do agree on Can, should never be anywhere near the armband. However, by doing that it has shown him that Klopp will treat him with respect and dignity and again make sure he looks back on his time with us in the right way.}

30 Jan 2018 10:56:42
Thats a great response ed, and perhaps a reminder of the values the club held many a generation ago.

{Ed001's Note - we used to have a reputation for being the greatest place to play football. The club treated players with respect, when they moved on they were found good moves that suited them and we never looked to charge ridiculous prices to ensure the buying club could give them a decent reward for their services with us. Whenever they returned to face us again, the club and the fans gave them a favourable welcome.

How times have changed!}

30 Jan 2018 11:37:59
I think Ed is spot on, yeah the way he left wasn't great, but there is no point being dickish about it.

30 Jan 2018 11:39:54
Brilliant response Ed.

{Ed001's Note - thank you.}

30 Jan 2018 12:12:46
Wow niteswim you spent all that time on pip returning to say goodbye?

30 Jan 2018 12:16:24
And how you haven't changed with the times. You are not suggesting we should of took slot lower price for continho are you so he could make his dream move?

When your at the top ed there's a lot more stuff you can do. Have you ever had a lot of money in your pocket? Say 100/ 200 quid for some reason but you only actually need a fiver for lunch. How easy is it to give someone a tenner, give a tip to a waiter, buy someone there lunch. Be generous i mean.

Now you only have 10 pound in your pocket. Your not very generous are you.

When your winning the league, selling players and still have the likes of daglish, ruzhy etc up top. You can do a lot more.

I partly agree with why klopp gives them the captaincy but to me it just seems desperate, a late attempt to keep someone AND then it looks even worse when they still rubbish on us and leave. Like even with the captaincy we still couldn't keep them.

30 Jan 2018 12:24:08
Or maybe, just maybe, Coutinho is a pretty likeable guy and the whole media circus making him out to be a super villain was actually a load of nonsense? You think selling him in January came 'out-of-the-blue'? Come one. I'm pretty sure there's no-one at the club that dislikes the guy, just a bunch of angry fans do, LOL.

30 Jan 2018 13:00:47
That's not what he's suggesting at all Put. We charged a world class fee for a world class player. What he's suggesting is that when we have someone who we're not willing to even have on the bench of train with the senior players, we shouldn't be holding out for what would be a club record fee for most teams we should let them get on with their career.

30 Jan 2018 13:07:42
Great response, Ed. Players in general do not hold grudges against fellow players esp. those they have had a great relationship with. Klopp as well, bears no grudges and understands the life of a footballer even tho, he may not agree, as Ralph Honigstien always says. Remember the story of he and Gotze crying when he decided to join Bayern? Klopp is a top bloke and if he saw Cou today, they would both hug it out. As Ed said, it is some of the spoiled, self entitled fans who spit their bile out like petulant children that are ruining this club every passing day.

30 Jan 2018 13:26:19
Thanks for the response Ed01, I agree with your reasoning although I don't think the club treated Coutinho wrongly at any time for him to have anything bad to say about us. As I have mentioned it's not a question of if he should have been sold in August rather than 5 months later. It's the way the club is handling this issue by being nice and sensitive about Coutinho's personal request. We were beaten by the 2 bottom placed teams in the league and I think the last thing needed was him being around the training ground yesterday after the whole saga. The players should be focused on getting back to winning matches. Being nice have never won any club any trophies and it certainly won't be the case with us. The club's dealing with Coutinho/ Can issue is setting a bad example in my opinion and it could have negative consequences for years to come.

{Ed001's Note - surely having him there giving them a bit of stick for losing without him should be a spur to drive them on?}

30 Jan 2018 14:41:26
If the players need a support of an ex-teammate who was not committed for most part of the past 5-6 months, reported fit for Brazil, yet not being able to play for us on several occasions there is even a bigger problem than I previously thought. Surely PC is Vasco da Gama and Barcelona supporter first, perhaps LFC is his third team, I'm not sure. He could have organized a personal farewell barbecue party in Jurgen's backyard for all I care, he has no reason being associated with Liverpool anymore in my opinion and his returning being leaked to the media is embarrassing to the club.

30 Jan 2018 16:04:10
Nites, let it go, man. It ain't that serious. It's just football and the world goes on.

30 Jan 2018 17:20:07
I'm pretty sure many people in all walks of life organise a leaving do when they get a better job, nothing to see here move on.

30 Jan 2018 09:48:04
Hi eds, I was wondering who has the final
Say on tranfser is it Klopp or FSG, because this month has become a joke, unless we get someone in over the next 2 days (which I can’t see happening) . It’s so disheartening to see that we left PC go and there wasn’t a replacement lined up we have known since the summer he wanted to go, and DS going too is weakening the squad. do FSG have to sanction the deal or is it Klopp that gives the go ahead? Thanks in advance.

{Ed001's Note - Klopp.}

30 Jan 2018 10:54:53
Hows it been a joke? we just spent a huge amount of money on VVD, a position what before January, we'd of all agreed on was #1 priority so what you talking about? everybody wanted a top CB in, we got it, nobody seems to be happy unless we're buying new players, I understand we need some reinforcements but we can't go daft we need to be careful with who we buy. DS going isn't weakening the squad at all, he didn't play so wtf? Ings and Solanke was ahead of him anyway so what's the big deal?

30 Jan 2018 11:13:47
Did you watch the game Saturday evening Salah?

30 Jan 2018 11:55:59
Yeah chum i did, what's your point mate?

30 Jan 2018 12:10:04
he played and scored in it chum.

30 Jan 2018 15:24:48
maybe Chum is refering to the fact that in this transfer window, certain areas should have been addressed, for example, we have the worst Keepers in the premiership, our midfield looks so un balanced its a joke,
when we play teams like Man City, we should play one way with certain players,
then playing swansea and west brom, a different team and a different game plan,
Klopp doesn't get this, and just hopes that our fantastic forward play bails us out .

30 Jan 2018 16:10:58
The way everyone is saying Chum makes this entire thread sound exceptionally passive aggressive.

30 Jan 2018 07:26:16
I saw a post yesterday about someone asking for Mahrez and saying it might not be popular on here but they would “SETTLE” for him. Settling is exactly why we’ve bought some poor players over the last decade.

Let’s have a poll and you can only choose one option, not mame up your own to suit your agenda:

A) we settle and buy a Mahrez type player
B) we wait until the summer when klopps first choice is attainable a la VVD and Keita.

Like it or not that is what we’re facing, So why don’t we stop bitching about it and get on with supporting the club.

To all those who are folding and saying our season is finished, you’re an embarrassment.

30 Jan 2018 07:53:08
Option b all day 87red people are thinking mahrez might get us a couple of points and that might make the diffrence but then we are 50mill + a wage bill further from the player we should be signing we are liverpool fc unfortunatly we need to prove to great players we are worth coming to and that means a good run in champions league and top 4 this season proves it is no fluke when you get there two years running we are still building no i can't completly buy into what klopp is doing i do support him i just wish he would address the defence issue more with a defensive coach than new players.

30 Jan 2018 07:54:06
Have to wait for the summer. Don’t think a thing has changed since Coutinho left. It’s been more about attitude. I’d be incredibly surprised if we somehow managed to place out of top four this season so why pay a premium for players now instead of waiting until the season when all they can do is get us second (which I’m fairly certain we’re going to do regardless)

30 Jan 2018 08:13:58
We’re playing poorly and teams are exposing our weaknesses in midfield, defence and goal, and they’re doing far too easily. Losing to the bottom two teams in the league in quick succession is appalling to say the least and after those performances, it’s hard to see where our next win will come from because I see no creativity or defensive ability in that alleged midfield, so it is reasonavly foreseeabile that fourth place could disappear, and the rate we’re going winning the champions league a mere pipe dream. Simply saying keep the faith and hoping it will all work out isn’t going to work.

30 Jan 2018 08:18:13
I would replace Lallana with Mahrez
We have offloaded Sturridge and unless Lallana can stay fit and available he is not contributing to the team
Rather like having a Ferrari in the garage which won’t start.

30 Jan 2018 08:33:37
I would be option A, simply because in the summer the excuse will be “we can't sign top class players because we are not in champions league”.
You can’t stand still while our direct competitors are adding quality to their weak positions, which then makes them stronger. We are not 10 points clear from 5th so the arrogance in thinking we will just turn up after selling our best player ( so minus at least 7-10 important goals and assists) and still finish 4th is beyond me. It’s too big of a gamble and the sense of defeatism/ loss of selling Coutinho is huge. We need to sign someone that can at least make a difference and ease the pain of losing a talisman.
Just ask yourself this question, would the clubs of Kevin De Bruyne, Pogba, Hazard, Kane or Sanchez sell them in Jan without a replacement been already lined up? I don’t think their fans will allow it!

30 Jan 2018 08:56:49
Wait until the summer when Spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea are looking forward to next season's champions league!

30 Jan 2018 08:59:41
I agree aoe, not a lot has changed without him in the squad, he did barely bugger all this season anyway. I'd also go for option B before panic buying a player who could prove to be a flop.

30 Jan 2018 09:08:54
I actually think Mahrez would be a good addition, I don’t know enough about his off field antics but on the field he seems back to his form:of 2 years ago. I don’t think he’s as creative as couts but he’s a great dribbler and more importantly he’s great with deadballs. I think against teams that park the bus that’s far more important than trying to get someone to open them up up as we know we win enough corners and free kicks to win games twice over- we are frustratingly in effective from set pieces.

30 Jan 2018 09:12:00
C) work on adapting the tactics to counter the opposition when they have worked you out.

30 Jan 2018 10:46:34
87 red it was me who suggested Mahrez but this was not as a cure all issues nor a panick buy i just think with couts gone AL struggling with injuries Can does not want to be there he is better than what we have. Its no use in planninig for next summer that will take care of its self but with the uncertainty regarding MO plus if we don't make top 4 how easy do you think it will be to make top signings we will just be back where we were 3 years ago.

{Ed001's Note - Coutinho played on the left or centre, Can plays central and Lallana usually plays central, in what way would a right winger be a better option?}

30 Jan 2018 10:59:57
B

We have a fantastic squad. VVD, salah, mane, keita are all big time players that we can add to in the summer. If we bring in 4th or 5th choice players just for the sake if it, that may help depth in short term but then we are saddled with their contract for another 3 or so years and probably no takers. I like our patience.

30 Jan 2018 11:15:56
In the Summer when other teams are looking forward to the Champions League.

30 Jan 2018 15:03:01
Eds 1 do you not think Mahrez could play central behind a front three and interchange thus having two siting behind him? I think it would work well. Sadly i can't see this being an option.

{Ed001's Note - he has played there but I would not touch him as he has shown a poor attitude.}

29 Jan 2018 23:52:26
Eds, since the transfer window saga is drawing to a conclusion, would you be able to say who was the French player that Macca said we were after?

{Ed001's Note - no, it is up to Macca.}

30 Jan 2018 06:09:29
Is it really that difficult to work out?

Macca said it was on Twitter, which drops it to two names and he also said it wasn’t one we had mentioned previously which means it wasn’t Lemar.

30 Jan 2018 09:03:57
Enlighten us then Triangle, most of us don't follow the
Twatter brigade.

30 Jan 2018 09:51:23
Was it Bernard diomede?

30 Jan 2018 11:54:06
Griezmann was the player alluded to, this was also posted on this site several times.

Unfortunately seems the player has zero interest.