Liverpool Banter Archive December 30 2013

30 Dec 2013 23:45:42
Last season at home, you boys won 8 out of 19, pretty poor if you don't mind me saying.

This season, so far, you have won 8 out of 9.

Why the change in fortunes gents?

31 Dec 2013 00:11:33
It's an interesting one mate. I think it was belief at the start of the season as we were poor towards the end of 11/12 at home under Kenny in the league as we'll. Getting used to Rodgers style could be seen as a factor as well, as shown as we we're much better at home in the 2nd half of last season.

I think we have all but eliminated these negative factors from playing at home, as sides are starting to fear coming to Anfield again, which hasn't been the case since 08/09, and we are playing well and on out day we can beat anybody, especially at home, and I think the players are finally starting to believe that again.

Its down to no European football for the first season for me it affects the fans mentality when you don't feel like challengers. When we haven't looked like challengers Anfield feels different. The crowd has always played a big part in our success, (I won't mention Michael Thomas who my sons named after :) This season the mood is different in the stands and I think it affects the players on the field. Or it could be we are getting better all the time.

Chiefscout, there's nothing wrong with mentioning Michael Thomas lol.

DG as you may have noticed other poseters say. we've played all but one of the top 8 away. Still got them to come at home. Hopefully we can grab a few wins against them[including your boys :) ]
Last year defensively we weren't great either skrtel was quite frankly terrible and was replaced by a 35 year old, Agger was bullied. Jamie on MNF also mentioned there were sometimes cohesion issues with Enrique etc. Coutinho and Sturridge were also great buys that had a positive impact on us last year, or it could have been worse.

Id say its the fact we hit the woodwork more than anyone else

Thats a fair point Bobatron, thank you.

30 Dec 2013 22:54:40
Hi Reds an Eds,


Happy New Year to All from NZ(new years eve here). Two things i'd like to mention. I'm pleased with how the team are going this season, and as stated by most, hopefully the second half of the season has more points for us than the first half has.

The second point is, I'm really interested in this tranfer window, without trying t hoo doo anthing, finishing top4 means BR has one eye on CL, he has two windows to inprove the squad for 4 comps and not all youth will step up at the same time. Interesting times ahead. I have said all along, I'm pleased with the direction BR and the club are going, and still feel the same, but with more confidence.
Again Happy New Year All.

30 Dec 2013 22:11:49
Eds am I blocked?

{Ed001's Note - nope.}

30 Dec 2013 22:01:04
BR needs to play Alberto for the hull game and allow Coutinho to play in the middle.

Suarez
Alberto, Coutinho, Sterling

Would of really liked to see him coming in for Allen yesterday. I'm sure BR has his reasons, but I thought it would have been a great opportunity for him to show he can step it up.

BR needed someone to play wide left and stay high up the pitch to bring Azpilicueta out wide to leave space in between for Suarez and Sterling, it almost worked. I was surprised he never switched to a 3-5-2.

30 Dec 2013 21:35:07
Arsenal away
Spurs away
Everton away
Newcastle away
Man city away
Chelsea away

All done with over half a season to play!

It's plain sailing for here on in isn't it?

Quite right Rushy,
Our last 6 games 12 points

Arsenal 11 points
Man City 16 points
Chelsea 13 points
Everton 10 points
Man Utd 12 points
Tottenham 12 points.

Even with 2 defeats by arguably the best 2 teams in the prem we haven't done that bad overall. teams will go ahead and be pegged back for the rest of the season, we are only 6 points from the top. In my opinion top 4 is very attainable.
Bobbinred

Also, Swansea away!

And to come away 6 points off the top isn't bad at all!

After the Mancs away it will read W2 D2 L3.

30 Dec 2013 20:57:18
The Glen Johnson criticism is getting really old. Now matter how often we say how bad he is, BR is not going to read this. At this time he is the only fit senior right back so he has to play, we already know that Kelly is going to be eased in and perhaps towards the end of the season he will establish himself, but until then Johnson's place is guaranteed so can we please find new things to talk about other than Glen Johnson. I think it is already obvious that he will be gone by the Summer, that is why we were tying to get Montoya who is a right back and not a left back. Why is it obvious that he will leave? Hopefully the rest of you can spot the trend. Joe Cole, Downing and Reina left, why? Because their contract needed a renewing and we have no desire to renew it, why? Because they were not playing well enough to justify their 80k wages and because they were replaceable. This applies to Johnson also as his contract needs renewing. At this time I assure you we are working to find and secure a right back for the summer. Brendan has already in summer said that it will take 2 or 3 more windows to get the squad where he wants it, that includes in-comings and out-goings. By the start of next Summer we will have "2 players for every position with young players backing that up". He and the recruitment are thinking about the summer right now as BR is very confident of securing CL football because he knows we now have a size-able run of very winnable fixtures. I know he says one game at a time but his mind will certainly be on the next chunk of games.

I would also like to say about FSG, I often see people here moaning about their lack of money and investment which is ridiculous. They have a very large amount of money and they willing to invest it as long as they are assured that their investments are worthwhile. As we all know there is a recruitment committee at this time, if this committee proposes a player to FSG they would happily give the money as BR has said he feels very fortunate of his support from the owners.

Hopefully this post has not come across as negative because I am a very positive, passionate, and enthusiastic red and I am very confident that we will secure a place in the top 4. Probably even the top 3.

30 Dec 2013 21:38:43
Glen Johnson will never be dropped.
1. he is an England International. and this is a world cup year
2. If dropped Kyle walker would take his place in National team
3. heard he has a clause in his contract, of his playing time
4. he is brilliant in training.
5. BR doesn't Read our post.

In the summer he needs to be replaced along with skrtel his set pieces annoy the heck out of me and his defending while facing an oncoming opponent is non-existent as he just backs off and hopes the shot isn't good.

At what point do you guys think Glen Johnson will improve by us picking on him and slagging him off every week?!

We know his quality and we know he's England's no 1 when he's on form. What he needs now is our support - do you recognise that word - forms part of the word supporter, funnily enough!

His confidence is low and he needs reminded that he's one of ours. Not singled out and made to walk alone! Behave lads!

{Ed001's Note - he is far from low in confidence, that is something he has never had a problem with.}

Harry, Glenn will be dropped if he continues to play **** and BR feels he has better options. 1, 2, 3 and 4 is nonsense. He is sulking because he has been offered a new contract for less money than his current contract, he has got totally the wrong attitude for a professional footballer. he's supposed to be one of the leaders in the team. Two years ago he was arguably the best RB in the prem, i'd happily sell for a decent price. i'd take a tenner and be made up he's off the wage bill.

Ok ill give you No1 but that Hodgsons fault not mine.

31 Dec 2013 01:02:10
Here's a more practical reason why Jonno won't be dropped:

We don't have anyone to drop him for.

BR doesn't trust Kelly's fitness. Flanagan is injured, and even if he wasn't, he's needed at left back because Enrique is injured and Cissokho's worse than Jonno. Toure's a centre half. And McLaughlin is too young.

I can only see Jonno's place being seriously threatened if Enrique and Flanagan are both fit and in form. And to be perfectly honest, BR doesn't seem to rate Enrique anyway.

30 Dec 2013 19:19:42
Only away games LFC have against teams currently in top 10: Man United and Southampton. Played the rest away already.

A big plus that a lot of experts seem to have missed

I just look it in another way. We are going to have a lot of away games against teams fighting for staying in premier league. I am just afraid there might be more surprises like Hull city

Great point. We must go on a run now

I certainly think we can get more points in the 2nd half of the season!

Yup a nice run, Maximum points in January is a must.

I can see both LFC and EFC in top 5 minimum, depending on injuries and cup run. European football will be a major factor for premier league games as the season progresses.

30 Dec 2013 19:05:30
Ivan Ractic would prove the best signing of LFC in 3 yeras. The lad would walk straight into our team. he is what Suarez and co are missing.
With Mohammed salah and Ractic, we would be untouchable.

I agree with the Rakitic opinion Harry. Don't think it will happen though as anything over £10 mill and FSG go into cold sweats.

This has to be the most ridiculous thing you've said on here Ozone, and that's saying something. Pfft some people.

Sahko, Sturridge, Suarez, Carroll, Hendo, Downing. More nonsense Ozone.

30 Dec 2013 19:51:58
If he is there to take. we would bid him. I wouldn't mind selling Allen and replacing him with Ractic and Medal. two brilliant players would do exceptional in our midfield.

I usually enjoy your posts Ozone, or most of them.
But you've been ultra harsh on the team this past week.
Just edged out in both games, and a little unlucky too.
Theyve been a joy to watch mate. I thought you'd see that, especially the midfield. Both opponents are CL contenders don't forget.
I have some sympathy with your point about the bench though.

I don't know that I'd rate Salah much beyond Sterling to be honest. Seems a bit like swapping a 19 year old prospect we have for a 21 year old prospect we don't. Not seen much of Rakitic, but from what I have seen I don't see how he would make us unstoppable. If I had my druthers I might prefer one more established player at the price those two would cost, personally.

30 Dec 2013 20:41:26
Xabi alonoso is the only established player who would come to us.
pastore. hamsik. Mata. or anyone wouldn't come to us in the Jan window.
Trust me.Ivan Ractic is an excellent player. Infact brilliant.

RDL, I rather think signing Salah means the end of Moses at LFC.

Unlike others, I am not sure Rakitic would be a good buy.

Harry, you just couldn't stop slagging off Allen could you, you wool!

I agree with RDL. Sterling will become a better player than Salah. Rakitic? Is he needed? Never going to be Steven Gerrard replacement,, I'd go for Draxler. He's got the lot, slightly reminds me of a young Stevie

Entirely possible, AG. Just seems to me like a bit of a knock on Sterling/Ibe and even to an extent Borini/Suso and their aspirations with us. That's not to say I don't like Salah, as I do rate him, just not sure he's a huge improvement over what we have already.

30 Dec 2013 21:33:14
The Real AG.

Joe Allen has been with us from past 2 years. out of which he was injured for half of the time. he did played for about 35+ games for Liverpool?
What has he done that you keep defending him?
I can show you 15 good players better than him at his age. and at his given price.
The first guy to be dropped If Gerrard or any other CM comes in would be Allen.
I don't have any personal grudges against Allen, But If we need to Improve any position, Its his.

30 Dec 2013 21:33:57
Daxler would cost you close to 50 mill. and there are more than 5 top clubs after him.

Salah, Rakitic & Montoya + Tello on loan at the expense of Moses.

Tcotton:- Borini, Aspas, Illori, Assiadi, Sturridge, Cotinhiou. All under £10mill. Anything over £10 mill would seem to attract an element of self funding.

For example, Torres out, Suarez and Carroll in. Carroll out Sakho in.

It's not rocket science TCotton and it's why we have a load of crap on the bench.

Harry, I have no inclination to argue with you, simply because you don't understand anything.

Your posts continue to baffling and clueless as usual.

I understand where you are coming from RDL and DBol. I think Ibe and Suso (again) will be going on loan next summer and Moses will be shipped back to Chelsea soon.

I am not sure what will happen to Borini or Aspas but if these things happen, then we will be left with very little to rely on and I think Salah would be a good competent upgrade on Moses, maybe not a huge improvement, but a good one. He is also a very hardworking player.

Draxler, no chance I think and I am, like I said before, unsure about Rakitic. He is at a similar level to Cabaye, but not as effective defensively and my biggest concern is that he will be a light-weight like Aquilani.

I can see your point as well, AG. I guess my concern is we seem to have a dearth of young players who are all good, but perhaps not quite good enough yet- Suso, Borini, Sterling, Coady, Kelly, Ibe, Ilori, Alberto, Texeira, Coutinho, Flanagan, Wisdom, etc. The above need to play to improve further, but I don't know that most have the patience to wait for them and I do think at some point we need to either start letting some of them play more or let them move on for the sake of their careers. Loans are feasible I suppose but for me it makes little sense to continue buying youngsters to replace loaned out current ones (e.g. Alberto and Ilori as good examples- both whom I like, but I can't completely understand loaning say Suso and Wisdom then bringing in Alberto and Ilori).

I do wonder whether you have actually seen the players you sometimes rave about, Harry, or whether you just wait for one of the eds to praise or link a player and spew out 'player x will walk into any team etc.'

30 Dec 2013 18:48:22
Ed001- I asked about Turan and Allen, hasn't been answered just wondering why?

{Ed001's Note - I haven't seen any posts regarding them, sorry.}

30 Dec 2013 19:20:15
What was our question?. They aren't Siblings. they have a same rhyme.

30 Dec 2013 18:31:36
We Might be at 5th. But we Sit top of the Table for the Most no of goals scored in ENGLAND.
84 Goals. Mansfield with 83 and City with 83 in 2013.

30 Dec 2013 17:34:03
Hi Ed001, as we are interested in Rakitic, would you be able to give your view on him as a player and where he'd fit into the team (in your opinion) please? I haven't seen him play before and would love to know what his strengths and weaknesses etc are if you have the time. I'm aware you're very busy so no worries if you don't have the time to answer this.

Cheers,

{Ed001's Note - he is a very good player, in my opinion, scores and creates goals, which we are badly missing. I believe he would be a very good long term replacement for Gerrard, not the Gerrard we once had, admittedly, but the Gerrard we have now. He doesn't have the bite that I feel we are missing, he is more the kind of player who will turn up in the box and get on the end of things. Cabaye is a good comparison (thanks to whoever suggested that, as I forget who it was now), as he does seem to have that creative spark Cabaye possesses. He needs to be in and around the opposition box to be at his best.}

Once you said bite goals ect I was thinking cabaye straight away would love cabaye so would be happy with rakitic if comparisons are right

30 Dec 2013 18:30:37
Ivan Ractic have a 32 mill Release clause, I believe, Are we going to spend that?

{Ed001's Note - the clause is irrelevant, Sevilla need money.}

Cheers Ed, you're a star! Excited for the window to open now.

I saw that you mentioned the positions we are looking for are full backs, a midfielder (in the Rakitic mold) and a forward. I would love to see Salah and Rakitic (based on what I've heard from you guys). In regards to the full back positions I think a left back like Coentrão would be ideal. What would upset me is if we buy a right back though, we just need to drop Johnson, promote Kelly and use McLaughlin and Johnson as back up in my opinion.

I assume there's nothing in the Pedro rumours that seem to be doing the rounds?

Anyhow, thanks again Ed!

{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware, Pedro is not interested in a move anywhere, before the summer anyway. He knows he almost guarantees a world cup place by being at Barca. That came from an excellent source who knows the lad very well, so I have no reason to doubt it.}

Thanks again Ed, much appreciated! Have a good NYE.

{Ed001's Note - you're welcome mate, have a great NYE yourself, and the same to all the posters and lurkers.}

30 Dec 2013 18:57:21
ED01, which are the clubs interested in Ractic. Firm and concrete Interest?

{Ed001's Note - other than us, Man Utd have shown recent interest, one of the Milan clubs (not sure which) are the only ones I know of.}

30 Dec 2013 19:22:54
Man UTD doesn't need a No.10 player. Rooney plays in that position. what they need is a CM and DM.
Both Milan clubs doesn't have money to buy. with AC Milan sitting at 11th and Inter at 5th. No ways they going to make it to CL in another 5 years.

Common BR sign him up. should have bought Medal and him in the summer.

30 Dec 2013 16:37:30
Hi guys, this is meant as friendly banter from a Blue across the park. I have read lots of posts below and have watched your team a few times this season. Firstly I am impressed with your progress and think you have improved no end. Secondly I think Suarez is at last showing some real form and playing like he wants to be with you. That aside, during the last transfer window, I posted on here that I was surprised at just how many players you were signing in the 5 - 20 million range that I considered not as good or not better than players you already had. (an honest assessment. not meant to be a wind up). I asked if it would not have been better to spend say 25 million x 2 on 2 well known established players and concentrate on youth for back up. I got a bit of a slating. I see some posts on here now suggesting you sign quite a few other new players. Do you not think now would be better to let your squad settle and develop? Let Brendan maybe sign one or two top quality players in positions you are weaker? And of course hold on to Suarez. I would think Real Madrid might come knocking soon. Just a few thoughts.

Hi degsy, glad to have you over for a sensible post.
I for one am pleasantly surprised at everton this year and they have improved a lot this season and wish you all the best ( hopefully below us though this season )
Although I do agree that BR has bough a few cheap, average players I think it was mostly to fill in some depth in the team which we still seem to be lacking, especially going forwards and midfield. I'm sure however that if BR was interested in a 25mil player as you are saying we would have tried to sign them as we did with mhkitaryan, d.costa and willian who opted for other teams, which is fine. However this meant that its better to not go spend the money just for the sake of it on 25 players BR didn't feel they were what we needed, and I agree with that.

I agree to an extent. But, it is very difficult to attract these players who would cost £25 million without CL football and without paying the wages Chelsea or Man City do.

Also, having bought players in the summer, we still find that half-way into the season, the squad is not deep enough. So, in a way, we needed to bring those players, but it is unfortunate that some of them have not hit the ground running.

This is a difficult decesion. Buy quality players and beef up with reserve players? Or buy the £5/15 million players in the hope that some are bargains. Sturridge, Coutinho and Migolet have improved us. Other players have yet to offer much.

What I will say that all teams have players that don't cut it for 1 reason or another but it becomes more obvious with a thinish squad and injuries. It is were we are I guess.

30 Dec 2013 18:34:18
But looking at the half way line and the Table. I think we can convince some good quality players.
19 more games. good 2-3 players. and we would defo be in Top 4.
Ractic, Montoya and salah. done. we would finish in top 3

Your spot on Degsy. To worry mate if you don't worship everything Rodgers does on here, you get slated. Notwithstanding Cissoko, Aspas, Borini, Sahin, Illori and Assiadi have no influence on the first team. £40 mill.

30 Dec 2013 19:58:14
Ozone

Mate I don't agree with your whole point.
Cissoko, Aspas, Borini, Sahin, Illori and Assiadi have no influence on the first team. £40 mill

Cisshokho is poor and would return back.
Aspas is a good player whose just like Ba at Chelsea or Hernandez. No playing time. simple.
Sahin left an year back. Borini might or might not.
llori haven't touched the ball, and would play regular in next season, once we offload a defender.

That's indeed 40 mill. 10 mill less than HOMESICK LAMELA.

30 Dec 2013 22:06:30
Round two with ozone! You don't get slated for not worshipping rodgers ways, we don't like you for knitpicking at the minor details that will eventually be rectified over time and I never hear you mention the good work he's done since taking the job at Liverpool.

30 Dec 2013 15:38:43
Thought I'd throw a conspiracy theory out there, we all know Skrtel was all but gone earlier in the year and has now been pushed back in the first 11. I wonder if this has been done to potentially increase his price with the January window looming so I would not be surprised to see him move back to Russia. This raises some much needed transfer budget whilst not leaving us short in that position

Seriously wise up man. What about all the points he might have cost us while trying to increase his value? Absolute nonsense.

If only we need to get rid of a center half quick and get a left full then flanno to replace Johnson

30 Dec 2013 14:27:10
Okay. Not long now until the window opens so can I be the first to it this time around?

Torres to re-join Liverpool.

Best post I've heard in a while! I'm serious too.

We're signing Ronaldo (Brazilian) too.

At least if we do sign Ronaldo the squad certainly won't be as thin!

Red Rum

30 Dec 2013 18:35:52
Ken Aguero.

Any chance of getting your Brother?.
Suarez-Aguero. Lethal.

30 Dec 2013 13:17:39
we should break the bank to sign mata I think he would be a fantastic addition, just what we are missing
who agrees?
also we are a lot better then recent years, heading the right way well done fsg

Should have Broke the bank to get Micky/costa / willian.
we would have been in a different level by now

{Ed001's Note - all 3 turned us down Harry, wouldn't have mattered how many banks we broke, they chose other options.}

30 Dec 2013 14:47:41
Ed1 I thought willian wanted to come to us we wouldn't match the valuation. No saying we should of because I don't think he's the missing link

{Ed001's Note - Willian wasn't interested and wanted Spurs, until Chelsea jumped in. He wanted to go to London apparently. No idea why, the place is a hole. Nice to visit for a day, but even nicer to leave!}

Haha. I've always thought that about London. Nice one ed001!

Londons a s**t hole

Probably nice to live if you have that money haha

30 Dec 2013 16:49:55
Ed do you think we are capable of attracting players of a higher calibre to improve us and push us on to the next level or must we qualify for the champions league first in your opinion

{Ed001's Note - it is always possible to bring in higher calibre players, it is just more difficult to find them before they have made their name, rather than just picking up high profile players for big fees. I don't see us ever being in a position we can just go for big fee superstars, we will always end up being outbid by richer clubs. Having Champions League will just make it easier to persuade those with a choice to join us over someone else.}

30 Dec 2013 17:11:56
Ok ed I feel a more direct route is required here do you believe we will be able to sign anyone in this window who will be able to strengthen the starting 11 or must we first qualify for the champions league and with whatever information you are aware of who we're interested in do you believe they will indeed push us on thanks

{Ed001's Note - there are clubs out there that need to sell and have better players than we have now, such as Sevilla and Rakitic. I don't think we have a strong enough squad, or team for that matter, that we can't improve it any more without the draw of the Champions League. Salah is another one who could strengthen the first team immediately and would be available. Both are players we are interested in.}

Ed1 is there any chance of negotiating a reasonable price for Rakitic?

{Ed001's Note - yes, Sevilla, in fact the whole of Seville, is penniless. They need to sell someone.}

Anyone else of them.we looked at even in the past

{Ed001's Note - Alberto Moreno was checked out, in the past we also had an interest in Perotti.}

30 Dec 2013 13:09:22
Before the start off the season did people honestly think we would of been top of the league twice in the first half of the season? I didn't so quite happy with the first half of the season anybody agree?

30 Dec 2013 14:48:50
mate I can understand what your trying to say but your forgetting we started the season very well & were doing really well until hull game & had a very good opportunity to cement our place in top4 but now I'm afraid its a battle btween us & united which is really disappointing considering how quickly they cut the gap & how quickly our advantage is gone! Hope we get top 4 or else the season will be massive let down!

Kopforever

I can't agree with that Kopforever.
We have lost 2 games against top opposition that's all.
We were 7 pts behind arsenal a few weeks ago and then two weeks later we were top and now we are 6pts off the top and you are saying the season is as good as over.
I think we are in a decent place to be honest.
Obviously we need to win our next game and hopefully go on a little run.
We have picked up 6ts from 12 with 3 of those matches against Spurs, Chelsea and Man City. That is not bad form.
I felt we needed to beat one of those 3 teams and we have. We have also been unlucky not to take further points from the last two games.
Keep the faith with this team.
All I want is for my team to compete and that's what we are doing.
We have all of the top sides still to play at home. 6 out of 7 of the hardest games we have to play are at Anfield.
Let the critics have a go at us. We know we are improving. We are halfway through the season and we are in contention so let's make sure we are still there with 10 games to go. Then we can sing the boys home!

30 Dec 2013 16:17:03
Ye good point dude but I think we will turn it on in the second half of the season like last year the big games will b at home except united hopefully that plays too our advantage

30 Dec 2013 20:12:50
Barnes mate I have full faith in Rodgers & our team but I'm slightly worried about our squad, if you see teams above us or teams below us who have cut the gap have a big squad & have all played top teams same as us, which is worrying because if we don't get our targets in jan or they strengthen their team then its a massive battle for us which we could avoid, if i'm honest I was always worried about united`s squad & very happy with the advantage we had against them but now that advantage is gone, which makes it very difficult for us unless we get our targets in jan & they hit the ground running, from now the pressure will be on for all teams, any lose or gained points will have a massive effect on it!

30 Dec 2013 12:52:56
I have just been on the Everton page, trying to take a leaf out of Daveyboyboy Blue's book and seeing what you actually get from going on another teams site.

Now it all makes sense, when I went on their page there was 2 posts on the banter section all day.
I come onto the Liverpool page and I couldn't even count how many posts have been on the Banter page so far this morning.

It just shows the difference in the clubs. We are an internationally supported team that has some of the most dedicated, loyal fans in the world. We have had two defeats on the bounce yet these pages are not deserted but full of optimism and support for the players, manager and club.
We just want the best for our team and have no concern with any other team or fans because we have enough to talk about between us.

Daveyboyboy Blue has no one to talk to on the Everton pages because they are all part time supporters who would rather see Liverpool lose than Everton win.
Focus on your own club for a change and enjoy watching your team whose best players don't even belong to you.

Bring on the derby.

YNWA

30 Dec 2013 14:32:46
good one.

Everton base there success on how they do in comparison to Liverpool, all they care about is the mersyside cup, mind you no trophies in 18 years I suppose you got to get what you can. I hate them

Indeed bring on the derby, you were lucky to get out of the last one without double figures being conceded. Re best players, I'd say Barkley, Coleman. Baines, McCarthy et al very much belong to Everton

Yes but you do have 40 million worht of talent on loan

how will you replace lukaku at the end of the season

dont get me wrong everton are doing really well.but losing lukaku will be a huge blow at the end of the season.
you ll also lose deulofeu,, you ll prob keep barry

so that a quality winger and striker mising. and that's 35 mill at leat of anyones money

now you might loan in others but will they keep performing to the same standard. I m not so sure, not every loan signing works out well

Its not that we don't post every second of the day we just don't moan like u do

Firstly, DB Cooper and snowbaw1872, thank you for proving my point just by responding to the post. Why are you on the Liverpool page if you are such big Evertonians?

Secondly, the point about Liverpool being lucky in the derby. We were 1-0 up then 2-1 up and if Allen didn't miss that sitter it would have been 3-1.
Its easy to talk about missed chances for your team but it works both ways, I actually thought a draw was a fair result in the end but it was better for us because you were the home team an we were trailing 3-2 with 2 minutes to go.

Thirdly, I think Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry are also your better players and they are on loan so at least be fair with your points.

Lastly, the majority of comments on the Liverpool page are positive, supportive posts. I haven't seen any moaning on this page for months apart from the odd BR hater.
We support our own team, you should try it sometime.

I've proven no point as there was talk on our site about bitching and moaning here and thought I'd have a little look for entertainment purposes.
Re loans Barry is 99% certain to stay, we have an option on Deulofeu for a second season if all goes to plan and finally, Lukaku. Yes, no doubt he will be tricky to replace but with the rise in tv money and profits made on Fellaini and Anichebe I'm optimistic there'll be some cash left for a decent striker, though Bill does have previous with money going missing so I won't hold my breath there.
I'm actually not on here to argue anything but when you see derogatory comments made about your club it is tempting to reply.
For what it's worth I think your lads have done extremely well this season, played some really attractive stuff and, much like ourselves have perhaps exceeded our respective expectations.
May battle commence for the CL places but I think you'll just have the edge on us with your dynamic No7 in the form of his life.
One thing's for certain Roberto has made us a force again and I trust he'll bring in suitable replacements for any players that depart, be it on loan or otherwise as long as it's within the rules and regulations I don't have any issue with it.
You have Moses and Cissokho, we have Deulofeu, Barry and Lukaku, so fans, media, pundits etc are talking out of their rear ends when they claim we have an unfair advantage.

30 Dec 2013 18:42:15
Can someone tell me, why Deulofeu would wanna join Everton from Barca? or Lukaku from chelsea?
Gareth Barry is on the same wage, which you pay for your whole 20 players available.
Mr. Ross Barkley would be off in Jan or Summer.

I like everton but really its clear your team is our shadow face facts and that's what kills ya, but you would be happier to face facts and embrace it I mean coming on here waffling at christmas is such a silly silly move.your club probably doesn't have a room big enough for all Liverpools trophies. martinez had wigan looking alright at one stage aswell.also at least when we get europe we will give it a good run.always have. class vs form

Because we're a better team than the reds? And have a positive, progressive manager who doesn't whinge, so there's that to factor into consideration. And Barkley will be going nowhere anytime soon. And when you lose sewer rat you'll fall into the obscurity of mid table.

I rate Everton and their manager. Yes, they have some loanees however they are also getting the most out of them. It will be a very interesting battle for the top 4 and the Toffees will be right up there.

30 Dec 2013 12:32:15
Hi eds!

Just hoping the injuries won't get us.
Well what's your thoughts on Salah? and what about Rakitic

thankyou for your wonderful job

aneeshlfc

{Ed002's Note - Please read the posts.}

30 Dec 2013 11:54:04
Hi Ed's.
Could you shed any light on this? Just had a call telling me Liverpool are in talks to bring in a young Spanish player, possibly on loan however he couldn't find out the name. Just wondering if anyone had heard anything or can put a name to this rumour? I can't think of any young spaniards we would loan other than Morata but I think it's highly unlikely to be him?
Cheers and hope everyone has a great new year

{Ed002's Note - No I can't help.}

Tello's name is being mentioned around the net again today Andy
On loan for rest of the season apparently? I don't know where that leaves the Salah deal though

Lot of rumours about tello joining us on loan. would love it if it were true. but I wouldn't get my hopes up, not until he actually signs. till then just a transfer wish

30 Dec 2013 11:51:37
Hi all. Hope everyone is not too downhearted after yesterdays result. We have made huge progress but do need some quality additions. Hope Salah gets done and also a powerful midfielder like Diame perhaps.?
Just seen brendans update that henderson is also carrying an injury. The lad has played a lot of football. I think we should stick kolo in midfield with lucas for the hull game. He has played there earlier in his career and it will allow coutinho to play central with sterling and maybe aspas out wide. Not ideal but I think with 2 defensive minded midfielders it will allow full backs (johnston as lb and maybe kelly as rb) to bomb on and will give coutinho more scope to link with suarez. Injurys are a problem so I reckon this should help us exact eevenge on hull.

Diame is rubbish!

30 Dec 2013 11:43:25
After listening to the after match interviews yesterday, I have lost any respect I had (which was not a lot anyway) in that p. k JM.

He should be hauled in front of a disciplinary commission for his comments about Suarez.

In no way did LS dive at any time during the game, and he got absolutely no protection from another person in Spider's Web.

Both Eto, and the main diving culprit yesterday Oscar, should have been sent off. In fact I am a bit disappointed that the ref only booked Oscar because it means he will get off scott free with his offence. Eto on the other hand will likely be banned retrospectively for 3 games, as should insect Web.

We played OK in parts yesterday, and not so good at times, but we could have got something out of the game.

We keep hoping that we can do it finally this year - top 4 I mean. At the halfway stage however, Everton have done better than us, and have spent virtually nothing.

Should it be allowed to be able to play so many loan players in games?

My main concern is that we do not have the physical presence in midfield, and I think this is because BR seems to like diminutive players in his team, which is great if they are really top notch, but what we have isn't.

I think we are now probably about where we will end up at the end of the season, but obviously hope for higher.

KBL

Diving is bad, but we've all seen Drogba dance the caterpillar on the turf enough.

If you listen to the interview mourinho gave, he actually slips up saying "it should have been a penalty" and then corrects it "sorry a yellow". he knows it withing that it was a penalty. but he can't tell that to the media can he?
but I love LS's attitude these days. he tries to get up quickly even when fouled and doesn't go down that easily. I thought the incident with terry was 50-50 but eto'o clearly fouled him. and twice in 4 days we've been deprived of a point

Maureen is a wind up merchant and an attention whore.

Ignore him and he'll become insignificant.

Never feed the trolls

30 Dec 2013 11:05:00
hi lads I've calmed down a bit after yesterday haha.great game yesterday the football was awesome I think our main down fall was after we scored we got a little scared.stopped moving the ball well and didn't make chelsea chase also if you watch etos goal skrtel defending was insanely bad he stood off eto. cringe cringe cringe.also its not a given we will beat city and chelsea at anfield.itl be just as hard a game.one good thing about buck man is he seems really good at getting the team to bounce back after a loss.keep the faith and enjoy being up there

30 Dec 2013 11:00:59
Interesting game yesterday - on this site, as ever there is much talk about who we need to get in and what positions etc - and no doubt players will be signed in Jan.

the biggest thing for me though, over the last two games in particular is our naivety.

Both games we have gone in front and both times we have been pegged back within minutes then failed to score again. I know that BR wants us to keep the ball on the floor and play from the back and I absolutely love watching it - but I just wish sometimes, especially when we have gone in front then occasionally they should play a little longer if they are under such pressure.

Jonhson yesterday got caught on the ball when we were 1 up - needlessly inviting pressure which helped Chelsea get momentum.

The teams with more experience will make sure that once they have gone in front they will do what is necessary to try and take the sting out of the opposition - we seem to help them get up a head of steam.

This is down to experience and know how - both of which you struggle to buy in Jan.

I am delighted with Liverpool this season - and have confidence we can keep going stongly, but fearful that we will keep dropping points without some opposition having to do too much - like yesterday.

I would like us to sign Alonso - as he has played in the league before, and has a calmness and assurance that at times we lack.

The young guns have improved and are exciting to watch - just need a guiding hand at certain times in the game.

30 Dec 2013 11:42:18
Xabi Alonso would have been the best signing last summer, If we were seriously Interested.
I don't rate Allen and I don't think he is the Lethal in the Midfield.

30 Dec 2013 10:43:07
Reading all this tosh on here makes me think that some of our fellow so called fans are being totally unrealistic.
This is a project which will take at least two or three years to build up to what it should be.
Yes, I agree some of the signings are not up to scratch but then which manager can say that every player he bought turned out to be a star.
We have to remember that the squad is probably the thinnest of the challenging group of teams and yet we are within touching distance of two teams with bottomless pits. In fact we came very close to matching them both on their own turf.
Come on guys keep backing the team and we will see with a couple of additions in this window we will be up there till the end.
Btw my picks would be Xabi Alonso, Mo Salah and a striker who can bang in the goals.

No matter where we end up at the end its been a good season.we should be grateful.i agree alonso would be great but I don't know if he could hack the prem.hes no spring chicken. also although he scores sturridge spends more time injured than on the pitch this worries me.

30 Dec 2013 09:26:34
Now 5th. even Bob the Builder had 3 weeks at number one!

At least we hit no.1 at Christmas, and confident that we'll hit it again very soon. You bitters couldn't even smell third! btw we'll be taking back the 4th spot soon

30 Dec 2013 11:47:13
thats something that Liverpool have in common with bob the builder and everton dont.

Wow straight off facebook. has no one theses days minds off there own

30 Dec 2013 08:46:00
Let's face, Chesea played their best game of the season yesterday against a top rival. Hazard, Willian and Oscar atimes where just too good for Lucas and co, plus David Luiz made sure Hendo was hidden leaving Suarez on his own most of the game. On the penalty decision, objectively Suarez wasn't through on goal neither was he even with the ball; Azpilicueta had already dispossessed him brilliantly and had started an attack. The better team won, I would say.

You clearly do not know what constitutes a foul!

Agger got booked in the 1st half for an 'off the ball' block. A foul is a foul, doesn't matter where the ball is.

30 Dec 2013 11:40:52
You a chelsea fan Bas!cs? cause I think it could off easily gone the otherway them decisions we should off got like eto sending off and suarez getting at least one off two penalties would off won it for us or least a draw I for one don't think the better team won.

Bas!cs you are a buffoon, a foul is a foul if it's on the ball or off of it.

Suarez didn't have the ball so it wasn't a foul? Really?

That's good to know.

Next game, Skrtl should just grab their striker by the b#%ls and squeeze hard while the play is at the other end. The striker wouldn't have the ball so obviously a foul can't be called on Skrtl!

Go back to your video game.

Basics supports both Chelsea and Liverpool. I haven't a clue how that exactly works but its what he has informed us of on the Chelsea page

30 Dec 2013 08:21:49
it does really get me cheesed off when leading up to christmas we were title winners now after 2 defeats we are in collapse and rogers and the squad are no good.
try being realistic we are playing probably the best football of any team in the premiership at the moment, and if you had given me this points total and position at start of season i'd have snapped your hand off .
we could have taken points off both man city and chelsea had a couple of decisions gone are way but need to take heart with the man city display in there own back yard where others have been slaughtered.

Mystic red, don't mean to put a dampened on things, but arsenal have been playing the best football in the league for years, but not won a trophy in 8 years .sometimes you have to play ugly .but you need results. And once again with poor refs decisions and weak midfielders we fall short .we need better players before we will get up there .

30 Dec 2013 07:21:59
I think that we need 3 more players in the jan window.A fast good proper winger(salah), cdm as lucas is our only cdm and we need someone to challange his place. If he's injured, there will be some serious trouble.A good experienced cam/cm will also be nice too(rakitic), we can't always depend on coutinho for creativity.even though he has good potential to be world class, his goals and assists are very littler this season. I think with doing some good transfers and with injured players coming like sturridge, gerrard and enrique, it will be good for us in the second half of the season.

30 Dec 2013 03:14:15
gonalons seems to be available for 12-15m and will likely receive bid from napoli? why aren't we interested in him! I think he should be the first player we should be targetting

30 Dec 2013 01:10:27
Very disappointed today but not surprised. Chelsea stepped up today and really applied some intense pressure as well as the usual Mourhino gamesmanship . Some positives however Sterling was good, that was about it. But remember we have a small squad and so without the luxury resting players, we looked mentally tired and a bit overwhelmed at times today.

Maybe a good reality check for FSG and should hopefully spur efforts on in January. We have played some great stuff this year and I have great memories of our matches and for the first time in decades really looked forward to seeing
what we would do next. Keep the faith

30 Dec 2013 08:35:15
Can you Believe, We have already spend more than 120 mill on players.

Yes £120m compared to Everton's -£12m spend and halfway through, carried by one player you're still below us. Oh Dear

30 Dec 2013 00:54:17
Hi eds and reds, I seriously think we should all just move on it is an unwanted result but this is football, with our current squad no one is expecting us to win every game, that would be insane. Plus we have lost to two very good teams.
We will get back up there support the boys that is all. Eds what is your take?
Hbsylfc

{Ed001's Note - to even feel disappointed after losing to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge is a step forward. We are now challenging the top four, that is a huge step forward from the last few seasons.}

Hi ed001, I agree with you fully, let's hope we now can go on a good run and make it to top four and get the reinforcements we need properly in the summer.
I would just like to thank the owners for the bold step with suarez's contract and that shows their honesty towards Lfc, and the fans. It sends a message we are serious about competing with the big guns when needed and if the right deal comes along.
Nice to speak to you again ed001.
Hibsylfc

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, fingers crossed for the rest of the season!}

30 Dec 2013 07:58:28
Hey ed001 you wanna try convincing ozone we are moving forward the only guys on here whos post I've read that thinks we ain't improving in anyway shape or form.

ACHILLES.

Lets not forget we played
Spurs away
Cardiff home
City away
Chelsea away
6 points ain't to bad with the injuries we had Still have hull in 2 days must win game when the injuries clear up and we make decent signings well ill be happy be a tough season let's stick together and keep growing

30 Dec 2013 08:38:16
ED01, Spot on ed. We did ok, and we played Chelsea away, we weren't hammered, the only slightest disappointment is we have wasted tonz of money on poor signings.
We need Pace on the wings. Hazzard/Willian.
Salah and another one would be great. Johnosn shouldn't receive his pay cheaque.

So does sterling not give us pace on the wing then? I do agree about Johnson though - awful yesterday. But whilst we lost there were two shocking penalty decisions - had we got these this is a game we could have won, as I thought we were pretty decent in the second half against a Chelsea side who had their game of the season.

Should have, could have, ha ha ha, and still below EFC.

30 Dec 2013 00:33:33
Can not trust Brendon with the transfer kitty, buys 1 half decent and 2.5 rubbish or for the future what about the present. If they are for the future why not have them on the bench.
Coutino plays well on and off but his defending is terrible loses ball far too many times and doesn't like to tackle abit weak in that department and his corners are terrible.
Today 1 st half sterling was poor, Allen couldn't score even if it was laid to him on a plate with no one in goals and the defenders having a cup of tea on the half way line.
Sakho makes far too many mistakes is uneasy with the ball and Agger has no pace so why play him left back.
Mignolet has had a stinker again becoming as bad as Reina with his pathetic simple savable strikes that could of been saved and the results may have seem a lot better. ( truth hurts and i, m hurt)
We need better players to play with Suarez he got no support when he did we looked dangerous.
Thats my rant over but maybe we all got to ahead of ourselves.
I, m glad Brendans love child Allen will not be playing next game he, s a sub at best and what happened to Kelly not being on bench and I would so prefer Suso back in competition for Coutino.
The problem is Brendan sends out most of the so called futures out on loan then says the squad is thin, why send out as you have Man city, Arsenal and Chelsea with bigger squads don't see them sending out 1st team players out apart from lazy useless Moses whose done jack all for us.
We need a quality left back, winger, striker and midfielder.
Also did you see Brendan at the after match interview on match of the day he seem too relaxed and as if Mourinho was still his headmaster.
Ok rant and valid points over.

you wouldn't trust Rodgers with transfers? ever since he was appointed all we've done is progressed, Mignolet and Sakho are both immense players and will serve us well for years to come.

As for thinking Mourinho is his headmaster, the bloke is just humble and dignified and respects what Mourinho did for him, as he said himself if it wasn't for Mourinho he probably wouldn't be where he's at.

There is a committee that is appointed to transfers, it's not solely Rodgers alone. Just for the record.

Plymouth Red, you mention Sakho and Mignolet. Can you provide an opinion on Aspas, Borini, Sahin, Assiadi, Illori, Cissoko, Moses and Alberto?

Martinez takes Delaphayo, Barry and Lukaku on loan to Everton. All regular faces in the FIRST team. He buys Mcarthy after selling the mop and is left with change. He eases Berkley into the first team. All incoming players fit for
purpose. They are a far more balanced team than us with partnerships throughout the team.

Wow that post sucked. Kind of hard to believe we were top of the league the other day with such rubbish players and manager. Hey Singh?

Love the posts from King Singh and Ozone. At last some sense from Liverpool supporters. What would Shanks have said? Bring back Souness, Rafa, King Kenny and Woy!
Methinks the Koppites are revolting.
COYB.

Take away the goals Suarez has created out of nothing and that will give a truer reflection of where we are at & it isn't top 4.

{Ed002's Note - That makes zero sense.}

The post made by Ozone makes sense. I too would like to see someone signing for first team, some more signings like Coutinho and Sturridge.

30 Dec 2013 13:24:08
Transfers are a numbers game. No manager has ever got every single transfer right. What's encouraging is Rodgers won't play them if he doesn't feel they are strong enough, regardless of whether he signed them or n

"Take away the goals Suarez has created out of nothing and that will give a truer reflection of where we are at & it isn't top 4."

Bizarre post.

In that case, let's take away RVP's goals for United last season, and recalculate the points, so that we can identify the real EPL champions.

Oh, and let's do the same with Ronaldo's goals for RM and Messi's goals for Barcelona. We need to see where these clubs really stand.

Ed 002, why does this not make sense? The points gained from goals he scored & created for himself [and others] are significant. Take him out and we are going to struggle.

30 Dec 2013 00:06:23
I just can't understand all the negatives. Yes we lost an away game to Chelsea by 1. Every team losses, so get a grip and stop moaning.

29 Dec 2013 23:54:36
Tough to take that result! Chelsea demolished us in the first half, we improved in the second and were unlucky with the penalty decision but we would have been fortunate with a point in all honesty.

As a team 2 high pressure games in 3 days is a lot and is a factor in the performance I would say, Chelsea had an extra yard in them all game and it showed.

Gutted we didn't get better results and we definetely deserved the win against City but it hasn't worked out so chin up Reds January window to strengthen now and we're still in the mix with Gerrard, Enrique and Sturridge to come back in and with all the top 7/8 bar Utd to play at home.

Fingers crossed Allen and Sakho are not out for long also.

We did not have a big squad unlike others to rotate. Injuries did not help as well. Maybe we could have played Alberto and even Kelly?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a plenty big enough squad.}

We are tired now partly because many of our buys or player loans have not worked out, and Rodgers is being forced to name the same team 72 hours apart.

Our play has improved enormously. Now need to improve the scouting and transfers.

Is it plenty in comparison to the teams above Liverpool or below (excl Manchester United and Spurs)? I think I made my point.