Liverpool Banter Archive August 30 2014

30 Aug 2014 22:51:31
Not transfer related but just to let you know went to the arena last night and what a faantastic show a concise look at 112 years of reds history and all accompanied by songs and chants from the terraces brilliant performances all around and a rousing rendition of ynwa at the end and then onto the stage belting out fields of anfield road strode barney rubble and phil neal proudly carrying our very own european cup. Emotional.
Also pay tribute to nick ault for thewonderful portrayal of the despair and horror we all felt after heysel and hillsborough
5*
TC77

Totally agree I saw it with my son on Thursday, it made you feel proud to be a Red.
Nice surprise when Ron Yeats & Ronnie Evans came on with our european cup.
All new players should watch this to realise what it means to play for us,

30 Aug 2014 19:35:34
A man's greatness can be measured by his enemies.

I am proud that Everton is our enemy.

What a game.

30 Aug 2014 20:20:23
Agreed mate. They showed CHARACTER. "

30 Aug 2014 17:45:53
Eds can you say what will happen with Assaidi? I know we want him to leave but does it look likely?

{Ed030's Note - Liverpool are trying to ship him out on a permanent but at this stage a loan will be more likely. }

30 Aug 2014 15:39:10
Anything to these Alex McCarthy rumours eds?

{Ed030's Note - He has signed for QPR already. }

30 Aug 2014 17:11:47
So stoke beat city at the etihad and we lost there 3-1, does this mean that both rodgers and mancini should be sacked.
Helmets

I think you mean pellegrini

Mancini was sacked wasn't he??

30 Aug 2014 17:25:02
How can Mancini be sacked when he clearly doesn't have a job?

Why Mancini?

30 Aug 2014 18:32:45
Why always Mancini? lol

30 Aug 2014 16:30:01
With Agger now gone who do people see as our vice captain? I wouldn't mind it going to Henderson myself, I reckon he could become captain one day

Lovren would be a good choice, but not sure how the other players would feel if it was given to a new signing, so I would go with Henderson.

{Ed030's Note - I too would go with Henderson. }

I would give it to hendo as I think he will be our future captain

30 Aug 2014 16:09:39
We have soo much quality up.front. I hope our.defense is rectified this season. We conceded a shocking amount of goals. If strikers aren't firing they get.dropped and it should be the same at the.back. Some of our defending has been criminal and.championship quailty. I would love.skittles to be dropped for sako or toure and Steve clarke back( which won't happen) but we had.a.great.record with him.

Until we realize that the issue is our midfield, specifically Gerrard we will keep leaking goals. We allow too much space between the channels. We can stick at the back the best 2 CBs (eg Hummels and Benatia) and we will still leak goals if the defensive midfield position is not fixed.

Spot on power I seen it happen too many times last season, but we had a player who could make up for it now he has gone the expectation falls on mario, he will help but he won't do the same so we have to stop teams pouring through our midfield, because mingolet does not fill me with confidence the way reina once did, if we had a very good keeper then he would give the defence a boost

30 Aug 2014 16:02:35
I, like many others, want to wish Daniel Agger all the best. My second favourite player of all time and seems like one hell of a guy.

Still a dream of mine to get an LFC tattoo done by him!

YNWA Daniel Agger

From Texas

30 Aug 2014 15:50:44
Big thank you to Danny agger, sad to see you go great player, excellent vice captain .just a shame your injuries took over .still a great survent to our club .best of luck lad YNWA .

30 Aug 2014 15:36:51
This Daniel Sturridge song is the best one i've heard by a long shot. Very catchy and would sound great at Anfield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WonJv-KGiIE

30 Aug 2014 15:03:38
I don't buy into all this RCB and LCB lark, a good centre half can play in both positions. I used to play both and didn't bother me which side I was on. Sakho and Lovren can play together. Sakho does not fill me with confidence though and I would not of gone for him personally. Skrtle is a good defender and gives 100% but makes to many mistakes, can be rash and calamitous too.
In short Lovren should be first in the team sheet and I don't think it matters who you put with him because I wouldn't rate any of them highly playing our system.

30 Aug 2014 16:24:05
Skretel is a poor defender, There is no question about it. Rest of your post is by far ok.

30 Aug 2014 16:25:07
Redwin

I would give you one more, AS not being Biased. Lovern was piss poor against City, And If not Lovern, He would have been dropped like others.

30 Aug 2014 18:05:58
Boom, partially true but I believe we just hot beat by a better side.

30 Aug 2014 18:18:55
Skrtel is not a poor defender Harry. He's a good defender. Just not really for our style of play.

{Ed030's Note - I agree, Just not as comfortable on The ball as say Agger or Lovren. }

He`s a good defender for a team that defends deep, not for a team that plays a high line where positioning, pace and communication is required just like the Costa Rican defence at the WC who played w/ a high line and had bar Neuer, the best GK at the WC in K. Navas. Now that is a well-drilled defence.

Skerttal would be good for big sam alladyce, he his perfect type of defender

30 Aug 2014 14:47:32
It's actually impressive how bad united is.

30 Aug 2014 14:20:58
Daniel Agger was my favourite LFC defender until the addition of Dejan Lovren. The one thing everyone should respect is that this guy told the club last year that he'll not join any other PL club. That's called loyalty.Too bad he was too injury prone, but he was one of the best CBs in the world.

Goodbye Daniel; we'll never forget you and wish you all the best for the future.
Hopefully we'll meet one day in the CL.
You'll Never Walk Alone

30 Aug 2014 14:05:11
That day-tripper poll is so true.

There are too many of you who just love to be associated to your big clubs like a trend.

Look at City now, Chelsea, Utd and Liverpool.

All great clubs with an identity which has been smothered by a fickle bandwagon mentality of cling-ons.

Harsh but true.

It's not everyone of course, but how many of you have sat there and cringed at some of the persons sat beside you?

Shameful at times, isn't it?

Yes, we all pay our inflated ticket prices (brought on of course by the insatiable demand of your day-trippers), and, yes, we're all entitled to act in which way we deem appropriate, but come on, stay at home and leave it to the true football fans.

I'm sure the club shop, hotels and bars think differently though.

Stupid point to be honest I lived an hour or so from Liverpool and visited a fair amounts of games although living with just a mum and sister who weren't into football and being young at the time I sometimes struggled to get to as many games as i'd want I now live in Scotland and will still try and get down to Atleast a couple games a year but you're making out that the fact not everyone can visit every game somehow makes them less of a fan which is actually a rather childish way to look at it.

{Ed001's Note - he hasn't said anything of the sort. He is talking about day trippers, those that just sit and take photos or record the games on their phone, rather than joining in with the songs and going to watch the game. It doesn't matter how many games you get to see, it is how you act when there that matters.}

And from under his stone he returns.

So would I be one of your "day trippers"? Brought up on the south coast. Mum an ardent LFC fan, dad not interested in football. Closest team to watch matches was Brighton at the old Goldstone ground. Supported Liverpool since I could walk and was indoctrinated into the LFC ways during the mid 80's. after 15 years of a few 500 mile round trips a season to see my team I bit the bullet and actually moved to Liverpool to try to get to more games but still could barely get any more tickets apart from walk ups and touts so ended up watching most down in Concert Square or local pubs. Most tickets I could ever get hold of were in quieter sections, never been able tot get on the Kop but still sing my heart out.

I spent 7 days crossing europe through Turkey, sleeping on the docks in Kos to get to the '07 Final and then turning round and doing the opposite to get home again because you couldn't get a flight into Athens for less than 3 months wages, but was still buzzing by the time I got back to England.

But because I'm not a scouser or a season ticket holder I'm the reason there's no atmosphere!?


Whether the fans are new because we're doing well, live in singapore, malaysia or Kenya they're still our fans and every one of them should be welcome. I'm sure there's a few thousand new additions in Boston alone and I'm very glad of it because every piece of merchandise and every ticket or online subscription sold helps the club to attract the best players. If those same fans aren't supporting in ten years so be it you can't choose who supports your club anymore than you can choose who likes your favourite band. The nature of "fandom" is fickle and the nature of fans is everyone wants to be the first and the biggest and anyone who discovers your love after you is regarded as inferior. There was an 18 year old on here last night raving because this was the best team he'd seen play "in his lifetime" yet he got shot down by some old fellas because his lifetime was too short for him to be a proper fan or know anything in their eyes. Pathetic!

if YOU don't like the atmosphere at games then change it! I never know anyone who I sit with or travel with but I damn well get them singing by the time I leave and have made some great friends too. Not everyone can do that, It's intimidating enough for most people walking into a pub crowded with locals on their own let alone a football ground for the first time with 45,000 strangers!

There's plenty of griping and moaning old timers at Anfield who love nothing more than a whinge. If you're one of the pompous little blinkered whingers (trying hard there EDs!) sitting there moaning about how things used to be better under Parry and Rafa or quietly wishing Kenny was still in charge and sitting scowling at the bloke cheering in a non scouse accent annoyed that success means he has to pay more for your tickets these days so your old mate Fred that you used to sit next to can't afford to come anymore so you have to sit next to that noisy "glory chasing southern day tripper" then maybe you need to stop being such a judgemental tool and start welcoming people that love the same thing you do and make Anfield a great place to be for ANY red rather than an intimidating and unwelcoming place with a silent atmosphere. We make the place what it is from 8 years old to 80, no matter what the team is doing Anfield should always rock, that's our responsibility as the 12th man so the next time you moan at a player for not putting in the effort or everyone else for it being too quiet think if you've done your bit too.

Well said FatJanMolby.

Red Rum

30 Aug 2014 21:29:21
If it matters or not in this context, watched saints game on the telly. The boos for the new lad lovren could be heard more clear than our fans chants. There must be some way our fans can get together n organise a more collaborative strategy to raise the roof at Anfield. Our reputation as the best supporters is at stake :)

30 Aug 2014 13:53:56
Good luck Danny Agger, a true pro who served Liverpool superbly. If some of the other players we signed where as committed and loyal as you we would have won the leauge years ago. You always gave 100% and that's what Liverpool fans love best! YNWA in my eyes a Liverpool great!

30 Aug 2014 14:21:35
Forever etched in my memory is Agger's goal against Chelsea, 2007 Champions League semi 2nd leg at Anfield. Brilliant free-kick move, great finish, the whole of L4 shook!! Good luck Daniel, thanks for your service to LFC, you'll always be thought of with great affection. YNWA.

He was loyal to us as we were to him. True pro and true gentleman. Good luck, Dagger! YNWA!

30 Aug 2014 13:43:48
Danny Agger top bloke club in his heart and he is going home . Good luck mate ynwa

30 Aug 2014 13:33:43
I would like to add my thanks to Danny Agger's contribution to our club, the guy is a true red, and will always be thought of as a special Liverpool player.

30 Aug 2014 12:56:37
With Micah Richards told to find a new club before Monday, would he be worth a punt? A quick strong right back IMO, maybe Brendan can get him back to his best, any thoughts?

#ynwa #96angels

30 Aug 2014 13:34:58
too late for him now I suspect.

Yeah with Wisdom, Flanno, Johnson, Manquillio and McLaughlin I agree another RB with high wages is needed

High wages?

When fit, he's better than all the players you named EmreCanDo.

Players are prepared to lower wages you know mate, Liverpool of all teams know that with some of our signings.

Please no more defenders!

Red Rum

Davey, u`re joking right? Richards is God aweful and even the u10 RB`s at the club would b better than him. There`s a reason NOBODY is in or him.

30 Aug 2014 12:53:11
Just read the agger statement their the lad is a red true and true I'm gutted for him if all players had heart like him football would be a btr place wish him all the success in the world at brondby!
As his knuckles say YNWA!

30 Aug 2014 12:41:30
Why is everybody complaining about the Agger deal? Yes he was worth more than what he was sold for, but he wasn't playing for us and he's happy at home now. We could have got more than 3m, but then again so could United with Vidic, who went for even less, nothing in fact. 3m for an injury prone player not playing regularly has to be expected. Gutted to see him leave as he was my favourite player behind Stevie, but that's football. He has been a great servant to the club and deserves the utmost respect from the club and us fans. YNWA Daniel!
Cheers

30 Aug 2014 13:50:05
vidic was out of contract.

Yes I know that but that's my point. Agger was a backup player for us and we got 3m for him, Vidic and Ferdinand who have been United's main centre back pairing for years left for nothing. Without Agger (little game time) we achieved 2nd in the Premier league, without Ferdinand and Vidic United haven't won a premier league game since they left. I'm just pointing out the importance of the players, we got 3m for a backup player, whereas United got nothing for key part of there first team. So its not all doom and gloom!

30 Aug 2014 12:13:34
Good luck to Agger.

Absolutely gutted. One of my favourite players of all time.

YNWA

30 Aug 2014 12:26:50
Absolutely. Great servant of the club and will be missed as a player and a character. Speaks volumes that he's going back to Bronby - they love him too. Good luck and thank you. YNWA

Can't echo that enough, best of luck to a fantastic servant

Really sad and depressing to see him go. I hope the club has a testimonial lined up for him in the near future, he has earned it. The worst part is he was sacrificed and the likes of Toure and Skrtel are still here in spite of so many poor performances.

Couldn't agree more - a fantastic servant to the club, as loyal as they come and, in his pomp, a world class defender. A great pity that he suffered with injuries as much as he did - he will be remembered fondly at Anfield and he should always receive a heroes welcome anytime he returns. YNWA Daniel.

30 Aug 2014 11:31:37
A song for Dan Sturridge.

Oh Danny boy
The kop, the kop is calling
Oh Danny boy
He just won't stop scoring.

Reddo tha jinja ninja

It's better than recycling the Patrik Berger song.

30 Aug 2014 10:17:16
Ed 001, what's your opinion on di Maria and sakho?

Could you give an in depth answer on both individual players if you have time, thanks!

Well di maria is a Virgo, likes walks on the beach and quiet nights reading Tolstoy, dislikes techno and people who jump queues. .who doesn't eh?! Personally I find him intriguing but disagree with his aversion to the classics

sakho is more a free mind, not constricted by the "24 hour community", he walks a mindful path, fave TV programme. . Button moon. He's alright he is

Why do you care about Di Maria? He's just another over rated attacker who was made to look good by his team mates in 2 very defensively weak leagues. Barely worth £20m let alone £60m. He'll flop just like Ozil did. I still expect him to have good games (like Ozil) but he won't even be half as effective and his wages are a joke. A good player, but nowhere close to world class. He's just a hard worker who gets a cross perfect once in every 10 attempts. He won't have Ronaldo and Benzema to aim at this season though.

Sakho needs to play alongside Lovren or he should leave. He is way to good to be on the bench behind Skrtel. I'm absolutely astonished by Rodgers lack of defensive understanding. It's like he genuinely thinks Skrtel and Johnson are good players.

Maria isn't that overrated. Yes he gives the ball away a lot but that's becaise he takes the game to the opposition, he'll run at players at any opportunity, and okay, maybe he'll give it away 2/3 times but the third he'll create a chance for himself or others. Liverpool fans are so quick to dismiss other teams players. Sanchez for example, 5 games for arsenal and I read someone say 'we've dodged a bullet there.'
Ems wait ten games, then if you're right, I will apologise, and I hope I am wrong. But you can't write off a player like that straight away. I don't think he'll single handedly change united, but he is a quality player.

30 Aug 2014 11:04:39
A song for Sturridge:

Let's all have a disco
When Sturridge scores his next goal
La laa laa la
La laa laa la

Simplez

Force that rhyme buddy!

30 Aug 2014 10:41:54
This isn't a conscious attempt to get a mauling off the eds but Agger for £3m

Obviously I'm not privy to the factors that make up that value but Agger. . £3m. . my head hurts

Who are these eds that you speak of? Are they a pack of pitbulls?

30 Aug 2014 11:10:44
I don't wanna know the price. All I want from some one here or the Eds, Is he Forced out?

{Ed002's Note - Done to death - the club want to move him on and he wants to leave.}

The reason he's going to Brondby - it's his decision as he doesn't feel he's up to it in the premier or la liga because of his injury record and the physical element of a more competitive league and Brondby can only afford a few million.The club wanted to sell him for a lot more ie Barca etc.Fenway aren't happy as they felt they could have got more.

I said take the money when the big money offer came in last year and got mauled for it.
I wish him all the best.

It looks to me the club have let Agger go back to Brondby for £3 million as a thank you for his loyalty and love for our club, we all know his history with injury but they were suffered playing for Liverpool, and money isn't the be all and end all.

30 Aug 2014 10:24:33
I'm curious to know which football stars made it from the Liverpool acadamy/youth setup?

I can think of Gerrard, Owen, Fowler, Carager, Sterling?

while Kegan, Dalglish, Rush, Barnes, Beardsles, Torres were all baught?

Point being just how good is our youth set-up? I Would have really loved us to find another Owen or Fowler than rather than buy Mario. But there does not seem to be anything coming through.

I think part of the problem is based around people's high expectations and low patience thresholds. The game doesn't seem to allow natural progression anymore, players need to be "shamazing" before a risk is taken or get in through injury/suspension. Managers have a gun to their heads due to media, fickle fans on social media screaming for blood if they pick someone to play that doesn't score a "Barnsie" on their debut!

Disposability, ruthlessness, product, franchise all words that didn't mean squat compared to the values I remember in footy. Y'know. when all this was fields by-gum.

30 Aug 2014 10:01:42
Are you surprised to see Remy being in talks with Chelsea? Seems they have a different medical policy. first Ba, now Remy

30 Aug 2014 10:46:50
Y should us be worried, If Remy is in talks with Chelsea?. Is he not playing at QPR now?

30 Aug 2014 09:04:51
Hi eds do you expect plenty of out goings before window shuts? Also if Lucas leaves do you think we will look to replace him?

{Ed002's Note - It rather depends what you consider "plenty". Liverpool already has a replacement for Lucas in Can.}

Thanks for reply ed I mean are we likely to see as many as 3 or 4 going . I hope to see borini and suso stay think they will be good squad players

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool would like to sell players but it is very late to be doing that - so they will be trying to arrange loans.}

30 Aug 2014 08:53:59
This could work, to the time of Tom Jones' Delilah.

My, my, my Balotelli,
Why always me on his belly,
He's now a red, he's sorted his head,
Balotelli!

Please can someone get a song for Sturridge!

To the tune of the Macarena . he's the king of the Kop and he's always on the tele, he gives away his money and his name is Balotelli, we bought with the money when we sold Martin Kelly, aaah Balotelli

Kelly line was class

30 Aug 2014 08:09:49
I really do hope Rodgers goes with Lovren at RCB and Sakho at LCB tomorrow.

I was expecting Sakho to start alongside Lovren from the off as Lovren is naturally right footed but it seems he prefers Skrtel over Sakho which to me is very strange as Sakho in my humble opinion is superior and fits our defensive setup much better.

If Skrtel is not fit for the City match and Rodgers selects Toure instead of Sakho then the message is clear that we wasted a huge amount of cash on Sakho. let's not forget that Sakho can play RCB too as he did at PSG so that is another sign that that Rodgers may not fancy Sakho for some reason or just just not trust him. Sakho is first choice for France ain't he?

Sure we do not see what goes on in training etc but when Johnson who has been our worst defender for quite some time now is selected ahead of Manquillo who had a brilliant debut and not deserving of the drop to the bench then clearly there is a problem.

I am normally not part of the negative brigade but if Rodgers does not start getting his back four selection right then it will be his and LFC's downfall for the 2014/15 season.

I am actually more excited about Sakho and Lovren starting as a centre half pairing than Balo making his debut. If we can keep a clean sheet against Spurs who have been on a goalscoring spree with Sakho putting in a solid performance, then hopefully BR will give our 40 million GBP centre halves a chance to make the position their own on a regular basis.

30 Aug 2014 10:28:35
Indian

I don't see Sakho starting ahead of Skretel, which is a surprise for me.
But then Agger leaving, Toure and skretel staying.

I don't really mind Toure staying. Skrtel though.

30 Aug 2014 06:21:54
To the tune of 'You Are My Sunshine'

Oh, Danny Sturridge
He had the courage
To see that Chelsea's tactics were lame
So he signed for the
Best team in England
And now he's knocking them in every game

30 Aug 2014 03:43:47
hello eds,
though Brendan rodgers is a good manager, still he doesn't have an eye to spot a talent. there is a good possibility to make it into top four but we lack the stability required by a team to win cups.
1.we should buy a DM.
2. Mignolet was supposed to be upgrade on Reina, but he is inconsistent and nervy against good teams. so if not in this then in next transfer window we should buy a goalkeeper. and Can is more like a box-2-box player rather than a player to protect back four.

YNWA

We do not want a dm as this position no longer exists in the Liverpool way of playing that's why lucas is going.
yes agree I would like to see somebody come into the position currently held by gerrard if only to see him move forward more often.
but the player we need should be composed on the ball and be a confident passer more in the role of a deep lying playmaker.
the defensive duties should not be placed in the hands of one player the team starting with the front 3 needs to defend better as a team then and only then will we progress as a team going forward as well

good luck against spurs lads

30 Aug 2014 10:30:15
Mystic Red

Luacs is good going, because He isn't good enough ahead of Can or Gerrard.
We don't want a DM?. Did you watch us against City and Southampton?

30 Aug 2014 00:00:58
Anyone know if the team will be training tomorrow morning? I've been down to Melwood today but going home tomorrow and want a glimpse of Balotelli