Liverpool Banter Archive April 30 2016

30 Apr 2016 18:43:48
Touched by Everton minute applause today very heart walming and showed there class! With brendan getting sacked by us and Martinez possibly on his way out of Everton why do u think eds at Swansea they both had such successful defences and then both have been poor at best in the defensive game with us and Everton. Only our poor defence cost us the league season before last and Everton defence seems terrible. Is it caused by the tica tica style formation?

{Ed001's Note - because at Swansea they were playing in a lower league. They are both out of their depth in the top flight.}

30 Apr 2016 19:10:04
But how did both of them talk so good? I mean seriously they are genius at football talk especially Brendan. Which football coaching school did they graduate from? Terms like "Death by football", its not something a normal coach or manager can conjure up. U got to give credits where it is due.

{Ed001's Note - they talk crap, it is not good at all. They just come across as meaningless platitudes by people who don't actually have any knowledge so they spout jargon instead.}

30 Apr 2016 20:51:21
Is it that they both fell on their feet at a sound foundation that Swansea had already created under previous managers. I think definitely the case for brendan not so sure about Martinez I still think he will succeed as a manager just not at Everton - maybe in Spain.

30 Apr 2016 22:52:16
with the players he has got everton should be a lot higher, the youngsters are going backwards under him as well, very poor tatically and has never been able to organise a defence which will always come back to haunt you, as we saw with Brendan Rodgers. He has no plan b and I would question the majority of his signings although ed 0025 is the one to ask about that, top gesture by the people's club today though, no question about that.

01 May 2016 00:41:27
They are both cut from the same cloth as in, talking a whole bunch of crap with nothing to back it up on the field of play. And when all else fails, blame everything on everyone else but yourself and make sure the media loves you. Simple, really.

01 May 2016 02:16:49
Empty tin cans make the most noise.

30 Apr 2016 18:18:35
any chance of pedro chirivella getting a game tomorrow ed001? or do you expect the line up to be like the one that played against Bournemouth, I would like to see stewart and ojo get a game and I am delighted that danny ward looks to be in line for another appearance I thought he played well last time out, ps make sure you get your brother in law round for Thursday's match, cheers pal.

{Ed001's Note - I expect it to be similar to Bournemouth, but I do expect Chirivella to come in. My brother in law will be here, don't worry.}

30 Apr 2016 20:56:48
Lol. Looks like we've got this in the bag then, Ed1.

I should place a bet for a win for us . :)

30 Apr 2016 19:47:35
Kidnapp him Ed it's the only way.

{Ed001's Note - just to point out, he was here last Thursday as well, so I think his luck must have run out.}

01 May 2016 03:52:19
With your brother in law being there, I'm confident we will get a win for sure!

30 Apr 2016 17:19:47
Pleased Everton won today after there fantastic reception pre match. Well played blues.

30 Apr 2016 20:26:14
So am I. Bobby to stay now.

30 Apr 2016 17:14:30
Wonderful responses from our neighbours and Newcastle fans, amongst others today, in response to the emotional events of this week. Interesting response, or lack of, at Sheffield Wednesday, however.

Wouldn't it be great if ALL fans, up and down the country, began to behave with basic decency, so let's start with us and let us never again hear the revolting chants about Munich. If there are any individuals out there, who still struggle to refrain from doing so on the grounds of decency, then do so on the basis that Sir Matt Busby was one of our own.

My faith was restored today. A new beginning? Let's hope so and for those of us directly affected by events of twenty-seven years ago, YNWA.

30 Apr 2016 17:44:07
Would love our fans to pack in the sick Munich chants, anyone who thinks its funny or smart needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
Let's take the lead on this now lfc!

{Ed025's Note - your spot on mate..

30 Apr 2016 18:04:23
I think that the club could easily nip this in the bud by educating the fans and marking the anniversaries of Munich by specifically referencing Sir Matt and his association with LFC. He was also Bob Paisley's closest friend and close to Shanks too, I believe.

Hard to believe these days but after the crash, the big Northern clubs all helped United out by loaning them players, to help them end the season. Coming only thirteen years after the end of the Second World War, I guess that people had different values then.

Ultimately, however, I think that most people are very decent and that shone through today.

30 Apr 2016 16:43:17
Hi ed01 your informed opinion on what you think likely will happen in the summer regarding centre backs. For me the bankers to be here are matip and lovren. Will skrtel and toure leave. Surely illori will finally go. Wisdom? . Gomez and Lucas as cover and what about sakho surely he will be banned and if he is do you go out and replace him now and sell him in a later window as has happened with other players caught doping . Unconfirmed reports that kolo May get an extension.

{Ed001's Note - I expect Toure to get another year now, Skrtel is available but I wonder if there will be anyone willing to match his wage demands. Ilori can go, sadly it is too late for him now. Wisdom was available for transfer and not seen as a centre back anyway. So it will be Lovren, Matip, Gomez, Lucas, Toure and Sakho (when he returns). That should be plenty.}

30 Apr 2016 16:59:31
Sky sports have stated that wisdom has returned back to Liverpool because of an injury for this seasons end.

{Ed001's Note - that is why I said was. Any plans are on hold until he recovers.}

30 Apr 2016 22:02:00
So Ed001 as of this moment (barring any unscrupulous revelations) you expect Sakho to remain at the club?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

30 Apr 2016 16:25:51
Hey Buttercup a. k. a Eds 001. Micheal Owen's international ambassador role, any chance Syria is on the list of places for him to visit, or is that just wishful thinking mate?

{Ed001's Note - wishful thinking I am afraid. Well it is until I get a say in it....}

30 Apr 2016 10:17:00
Why do you think there isn't the fan-love towards Sturridge?

He doesn't have a 'song' even though he has been here long enough.

Is it that some fans feel he let us down by being injured?

Is it the supposed arrogance, which by the way, every top striker has/ needs?

Either way, do you think the comments from a recent interview will change the situation - ie, make it worse?

It reminds me back in the day when God used to play with us and Owen came on the scene. We all know that Owen did not like the adoration we gave to Fowler and that Owen was not held in the same esteem.

Owen scored a lot of goals for us and single-handedly won a lot of games, but there was never that bond with the fans.

To me, with Sturridge, when he scores we all celebrate, but apat from that there isn't the 'fan-love'.

30 Apr 2016 11:03:10
It works both ways.

30 Apr 2016 12:55:58
I love him.

30 Apr 2016 13:36:14
Because Liverpool fans are fickle, and like taking potshots at our own players.

30 Apr 2016 14:43:15
I wouldn't be too fussed if he was replaced.

30 Apr 2016 15:09:46
He's never been the main man he was good with Suarez and since he's spent the whole time injured. He's a very good player when fit no doubt but he's not our best player he's not our most important player his attitude stinks the only credit I'd have given him about his attitude before today would've been "atleast he hasn't said anything in public" but now he has. He's always got a face on him when he comes off even though we all know it's for his own good. Having said all of this he should have a song but so should 4/ 5 other players because we need something to get an atmosphere going. The best songs in recent years were about Rodgers and Suarez.

{Ed001's Note - I don't get this at all. What is the issue with his attitude? Do you want mercenary lazy gets who don't give a toss? Because that is what you are suggesting. If he is happy being subbed then you should worry.}

30 Apr 2016 15:10:09
Probably the best natural finisher in the league, personally love the bloke.

30 Apr 2016 15:19:44
I agree a lot of the best strikers are arrogant about their abilities, but does that mean they don't have to work hard?

Suarez had more ability than anyone up top for us, yet the lad ran everywhere, worked back and cared if the team won not just if he scored. That's why he had a song, that's why he was loved and that's why Sturridge needs to get over himself and knuckle down ore move on.

No one is bigger than the club. I'm excited to see what Klopp can get out of Origi and Ings anyway.

30 Apr 2016 16:00:03
I just don't think he's a team player. doesn't seem to want to bust a gut for us. lazy, never liked him never will think jurgen is of the same opinion? really think the club wants rid now. think he will want out too, now he is not the first name on the team sheet. ( was he still sat on his ass last week after losing the ball an Newcastle ran up the field and scored? ) it would be nice if my opinion is wrong but somehow I doubt it.

30 Apr 2016 16:22:51
Sturridge is a class player and a player we need, also an experience striker like Sturridge would be good for Origi and Ings to learn from.

30 Apr 2016 17:19:06
I can never understand why people don't like Sturridge. He's no more lazy, greedy, or selfish than the vast majority of other strikers in the game. He's on the pitch to score and create opportunities to score, not play as a holding midfielder. As far as selfish, Coutinho has taken 100 shots now in the league this year and scored eight. That, for me, is greedy and selfish and is a poor return with only 8 goals to show for it yet I don't see many complaining about it as he offers a lot to the side. For whatever reason many just don't like Sturridge which given how good he is I just can't understand. Maybe he needs to take a bite out of someone to get a decent song.

30 Apr 2016 17:19:06
I can never understand why people don't like Sturridge. He's no more lazy, greedy, or selfish than the vast majority of other strikers in the game. He's on the pitch to score and create opportunities to score, not play as a holding midfielder. As far as selfish, Coutinho has taken 100 shots now in the league this year and scored eight. That, for me, is greedy and selfish and is a poor return with only 8 goals to show for it yet I don't see many complaining about it as he offers a lot to the side. For whatever reason many just don't like Sturridge which given how good he is I just can't understand. Maybe he needs to take a bite out of someone to get a decent song.

30 Apr 2016 20:48:39
we lost 1-0.
we need to better that at home to go through.

have i left anything out? if anyone fancies the managers job, would you post up your current cv.

i need a laugh.

30 Apr 2016 21:22:35
RDL people like Coutinho because the guy will track back and tackle and bust his balls. His game has developed this over last couple of seasons and the fans see it. If DS did the same he'd be irreplaceable. But sadly he doesn't graft for the team and that's why he didn't start Thursday night, because klopp needed workers who would run off the ball, we couldn't afford to carry anyone and when the opposition have the ball sadly it's 11 against 10 when he plays!

01 May 2016 02:36:24
It's not at all like that. With him up top, he's by himself. If he tracked back all the time and we actually won the ball back in midfield, who do we play it to? No one, that's who. Sturridge by himself can't press a keeper and 2 CBs, so why should he bother? That said, a game or two back he was one of the last three in defense after tracking all the way back and made a decent tackle. He doesn't do it regularly as he would be out of position and it's not his job on the pitch.

{Ed001's Note - he is one of the best strikers in the world, he does track back, but right now it is not what we need him to do, so he isn't doing it as much. I really do not understand why people are on his back. We are lucky to have him.}

30 Apr 2016 06:44:46
It's laughable reading Klopp set the team right for a typical European away game playing for a draw and finishing it at home in the return leg. Our biggest strength lies in going forward and not keeping it tight at the back. We have a poor GK, added by a make shift CB, an out of position RB and a brainless LB, Should have set up differently on Thursday. We are notoriously famous for conceding goals at home and it wouldn't be any different in Thursday.

The problem now would be Klopp taking off one CM ( Allen ) and play an attacker at home leaving acres of space near Lucas for Villareal to exploit with their pace on counter.

It's a tactical game and Klopp was beaten hands down by Villareal.

30 Apr 2016 09:22:43
Klopp was beaten hands down? Villarreal weren't the better team.

Atletico and Real lost at Estadio El Madrigal and Barcelona only managed a draw. They took the once chance that mattered due to us falling asleep in the dying minutes of the match.

30 Apr 2016 09:26:22
1. Get over it. He got it wrong but has also got it right many times - see half time against Dortmund.

2. You know Klopp Inherited this team?

3. You ever heard of reverse physchology?

4. I'm sure what ever happens on Thursday the team will be set-up to win.

30 Apr 2016 09:27:00
Kova he didn't get done by tactics he got done my Moreno wanting to be an attacker and neglecting his defending. When it got to that point in the game it should of been a case of keep possession and manage the game.

30 Apr 2016 09:22:43
Klopp was beaten hands down? Villarreal weren't the better team.

Atletico and Real lost at Estadio El Madrigal and Barcelona only managed a draw. They took the once chance that mattered due to us falling asleep in the dying minutes of the match.

30 Apr 2016 09:26:22
1. Get over it. He got it wrong but has also got it right many times - see half time against Dortmund.

2. You know Klopp Inherited this team?

3. You ever heard of reverse physchology?

4. I'm sure what ever happens on Thursday the team will be set-up to win.

30 Apr 2016 09:27:00
Kova he didn't get done by tactics he got done my Moreno wanting to be an attacker and neglecting his defending. When it got to that point in the game it should of been a case of keep possession and manage the game.

30 Apr 2016 09:24:43
I disagree. This is a 2-leg tie. You don't reveal all your cards until you have to. Secondly we all know Villareal are a counter-attack team, so if you go to their ground all guns blazing, they'll nail you 2-3 nil on the counter.

We were undone by a daft mistake in injury time. That's not getting beat "hands down". We won't know if Klopp got it right tactically until the tie is over.

30 Apr 2016 09:34:32
Sack klopp get Rodgers back.

30 Apr 2016 10:39:17
Hem, that's a ridiculous over reaction to this debate. No one wants to sack klopp.

30 Apr 2016 10:41:30
All ill say is if your that tatically astute why aren't you a top manager. didn't even see the game but sounds like we were caught in the final passes if he played attacking and we got hammered he'd be slated.

30 Apr 2016 12:34:03
He has come out and said the defence needs work on. He knows now he needs a change of personnel to get them stronger. Ginja is spot on, Villareal play with 2 banks of 4, counter attacking style football. It would have been suicide to play gung ho in the first leg. Let's see what Thursday brings.

30 Apr 2016 13:08:19
Firstly he get more right then wrong secondly if we would have taken our chances it eould be atleast 1-1. We have scored lot of times in the dying minutes to win a game and we will loose some the same way so relax. If it wasnt kloop we would have never got out of the group stages.

30 Apr 2016 16:07:52
Kova, your post as usual, makes no sense. I think you're just here to slate the manager and the players, a manager who contrary to what you believe, did not make a mistake. He was let down by the usual suspects who I hope will be dealt with in the off season. Villareal park the bus and play counter attacking game wherever they play and every man and his dog knew that before the game so attacking them at will would have been suicide and had that happened, you would have come on here belting the manager because that's always the way it goes, everyone's a genius after the fact. You say what Klopp said was laughable. Well, clearly you don't understand tactics and game planning for games so you just let yourself down there.

30 Apr 2016 18:00:47
if allen scores after 5 mins its a different game, if Moreno squares it to ibe we have a crucial goal possibly a win, in a 2 legged semi-final its vital you are still in the tie come the 2nd leg, well we are still in the tie, anfield will be rocking and I for one am confident we will finish the job even if they score, simply because they have pissed klopp off he will rest everyone he requires tomorrow and those players will know what is expected of them, the clock is ticking on this season and I would say that everybody is playing for there futures, he has already shown he don't give a damn for a players price tag or reputation, he will do what he thinks is best for Liverpool fc, of course he won't always get it right, but that's why its going to be a hell of a ride under him.

30 Apr 2016 08:45:32
Reducing the wage bill surely is going to be number one priority this coming summer.

It is quite mind boggling how Benteke is our highest earner and is enjoying life on the bench.

The thought process behind our transfer dealings over seasons gone by has been nothing but 'he is expensive, so let's sign him' mentality.

Think it is fair to say that a deal for Alex Teixeira was always going to be a pipe dream but the fact that LFC stepped away instead of throwing the kitchen sink at it when Shakhtar Donetsk could once again have made LFC look inept in the transfer market is a positive sign going forward.

30 Apr 2016 08:52:24
Milner is the highest paid.

30 Apr 2016 16:08:54
You can thank BR, the genius for those two aweful bits of business.

01 May 2016 08:36:15
Milner has like 7 goals and 15 assists or something like that in all competitions and he came on a free. Cut the man some slack. He's a hard hard worker.

30 Apr 2016 05:21:20
Serious question here.

Why do we all continue to stand at games?

Are the all 'seater' arrangements not appropriate?

Is it convenient to chill at a mediocre game?

Does the arrangement hinder our intensity in portraying our passion for our team?

Does the seating arrangement instill us with a zonal security in which we feel we can express ourselves as fans without the fear of losing our seat?

Do you miss the randomised selection of the Kop?

Do you feel that psychologically a shoulder-to-shoulder experience outweighs the arse-to-arse randomness on the terraces?

Forgive me, as I am attempting to reach a conclusion in the transition of the modern day fan, the modern day sky sports fan and the modern day all out experience stadium Dan.

In other words, do you prefer the day trip expense and comfort of a Lfc chair, or would you sooner become enthralled with the historical intensity?

30 Apr 2016 09:37:05
More than 1 question there Davey.

1) a natural response to excitement. I do it when I'm watching away games on the box.
2) all seater is appropriate
3) Chill?
4) no, it's a convenient excuse. Anyone at either of the Newcastle 4-3's or the CL semi against Chelsea knows this.
5)?
6) No
7) Not sure what psychology is to do with it.

Finally - in my opinion (and it's only my opinion) there is no justification for compromising safety of fans. I'm sure the club's insurance policy will agree with me.
Seating is the safest option. Of course 30 people per square metre can make more noise than 10 people but there are some things that are best left in the past and dangerous overcrowding is best left in the past.

30 Apr 2016 09:51:35
Could of been done in much shorter terms. sitting or standing?! Standing all day long for me.

30 Apr 2016 18:14:02
I'd like to weight in on this being from a small club called hartlepool the standing terraces still occupy about half of the stadium as it does bring atmosphere being so close togther compared to going up the road to watch boro in a all seater stadium (saying that I don't even think they fill 3/ 4 capacity these days) as much as I would like the close atmosphere at top level it just wouldn't be suitable or safe saying that dortmund manage and is in a safe manor but would it be suitable for the young or the elderly? The young could easily get lost and crushed so could a old bloke get pushed about and hurt.

30 Apr 2016 00:42:22
Have there been any updates on Rossiter? I know he was hurt for a while, maybe he still is. But I haven't heard anything about him in many weeks, unless I missed an update. I know there are several players at the club that play the same position, and the formation usually only requires 2 players at that position. Not to mention we have Grujic coming in the summer. Does he still have a future under Klopp?