Liverpool Banter Archive September 02 2012

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02 Sep 2012 22:07:39
Bellamy, Kuyt, Rodrigez, Carroll, Eccleston all out, now BR is saying we have no strikers? Is this the owners fault, he knew where the squad was short, if my wife goes shopping and we need eggs, she wouldn't buy butter!! {Ed062's Note - All them players are not good enough anyway except for carroll who doesnt suit the system}

Bellamy wasn't good enough?

Ed maybe but better than whats left!!

Kuyt would have certainly done a better job than Borini today. We lacked leadership and big fame players and that's exactly what Dirk was!

Papa G

Im sorry Ed062 but Bellamy has proven he could still do a job even if its every 2 weeks its better having one option that is woeful then having no option.

What ed? Bellamy not good enough your having a laugh aren't you!!

Neilp

All them players are not good enough??? so what do we have now?

Bellamy was and is good emough!

Bellamy wanted to go regardless of the manager

02 Sep 2012 22:06:14
Ok weve had an indifferent start against WBA we were expected to at least draw and lost. We battered the champs and they were lucky to leave with a point.

Today we looked poor. I think if we are going to sign a free it has to be Luvas Barrios. He's talented and younger than the likes Owen, Anelka, Drogba, Del Piero or Gudjohnsen. He would offer an extra threat, he could provide cover for injury and suspensions, and he's still a younger than the above and free.

We also need to remember one of our youngsters may break through such as Morgan, Ngoo, Yesil or Ibe. There's still a long way to go and we have already had two of our tough games. At present WBA are doing great so I can accept that result, plus it was our first game of season with a new manager and system plus new players.

Let's just be patient and hope after the break we will come flying out the blocks.

Jonesred

Lucas Barrios would ask for ridiculous wage demands and huge signing on fee he is so greedy. {Ed002's Note - What makes anyone think Barrios is available as a free agent? Twitter I guess.}

02 Sep 2012 22:05:49
ye know what for the 1st time ever i am fed up with our owners there more interested in spending big money on batsmen and pitchers at the red sox just dont c them taking the club forward bad times and i nvr b negative about the club it really pains me to say it thoughts please ed. {Ed062's Note - If youvwant my thought i think your wrong and these owners have tried nothing but their best for the club and if not mistaken the red sox are doing poorly at the moment}

Good again Ben ...

dd

02 Sep 2012 22:05:34
Dave whelan got slated but i'ld agree somethings wrong at boardroom level at LFc

02 Sep 2012 22:00:58
I've bitten my tongue for the last couple of days, and let the persons vent their infantile fury. Now it's time to bring a little perspective: Ed052 seems to be a true red, and really Tries to give a fans view of our great club. Ed002 gives an impartial view without the 'rose tinted glasses'. Listen well boys and girls, because for all the 'failings' of FSG/ayre/players etc, it strikes me that the twelfth man has also let our club down. That's me and you, and the schoolboys that think everything is solved by oil barons.
We've got a young talented manager, owners who've put in a lot more money than persons can understand, and a better, hungrier squad than we've had for a while. Time for the twelfth man to step up too.

Bigbadben

Damn right. When i used to go to Anfield the fans would be with the players through thick and thin, the atmosphere would intimidate opposition players and you would hardly hear away fans.

I have lived in Canada for almost 6 years now and can no longer make games, but i have to say the crowd seems so quiet, the Hearts fans were the only one's i heard on Thursday's televised game.

Now a player loses the ball, they get jeered. What happened to encouraging them? And as for the abuse on here and twitter, people need to get real, our club was on the brink of being a Rangers FC. FSG are trying to build the club right from the foundations up, its going to take time. KK was a huge mistake, i said it to my dad at the time, i remember his last purchases as a Liverpool manager first time round, Jimmy Carter and David Speedie! FFS, everyone get behind BR, make Anfield a daunting place for teams to come and play, bring back that famous atmosphere.

Lastly, i criticised Shelvey in my last post after the first Hearts game. I thought he worked bloody hard when he came on today and agree with many that he has a good shout for taking Stevie's starting place.

YNWA

ChrisE

Well put BIGBADBEN u hit the nail on the head there.

ACHILLES.

02 Sep 2012 22:44:30
The start to the season has not been great to say the least I for one am very disappointed, we should've beaten west brom on paper maybe lost to man city and drawn with Arsenal. It has not gone our way, weve played good stuff at times but as alot of fans have said weve not got the cutting edge in the final third. Now signing Dempsey on the last day would not have fixed that in the slightest, he probably wouldn't have even made the bench given his lack of game time. Fans are saying where was assaidi...... Well he obviously wasn't ready.From what iv seen so far Brendan Rodgers has his head screwed on tightly when it comes to the choice of players, just look at his decision to start Sterling in the last two games, 17 but excellent. Allen has been awesome since he arrived, the guy does not give the ball away cheaply at all and is excellent technically, he's not going to score goals although he may, he wool however keep the midfield ticking over, great addition in my eyes. Sahib is a quality player we all know that, didn't do anything special today but jeez give the lad time to settle in. Gerrard was poor today as against West Brom but come on he's getting older and has done so much for the team over the years, lets not get on his back because of what he cannot physically do anymore. Shelvey over the last months has been brilliant he was a breath of fresh air when he came into the midfield today, got forward created chances and tested the keeper a few times, I believe Shelvey was the missing link between midfield and attack today, he provided a link which was missing for alot of the game and to be honest I can only see him getting better. Suarez was also poor today, I don't believe he is a natural finisher, he does try to do the spectacular on most occasions instead of going for the "clinical" finish. There is no doubting he is a classy player, however he cannot be expected to create and score chances especially when Borini does not seem to be up to the task. Maybe he's being played out of position I don't know but don't see him as the answer.

Brendan Rodgers im very impressed with, he knows bringing Liverpool back to their best is a very steep steep climb, it has been mismanaged for years so it is no surprise we find ourselves in the current position. People calling for Brendans head obviously have not got a clue, I know that sounds harsh but he is blatantly a superb manager who knows what he wants to do and will give his all to achieve it. If we replaced him we would not find anyone better and again fans would calling for their heads after a few losses, it does not make sense to get rid of a manager after only 3 games and I only hope FSG see this.

As for FSG I am undecided, they have stabilised the club and for that I and most intelligent fans are eternally gratefull. They have bought players but under what pretence.. If you read reports they operate according to statistics which is why they probably bought Downing , Henderson,Adam and Carrol.

Yes Kenny didn't buy well but what constraints was he under? It maybe that he was not fit to spend countless millions but you do have to look at FSG,s policy in baseball, which to be fair worked. Baseball and football are worlds apart, I think they realised that last season and have now handed the reigns to BR. Its not baseball is what I've thought from the beginning of their reign, which they have found out to be TRUE.

Having said that I do believe the club is in good hands. Death threats to John Henrys wife over twitter is both disgusting and cowardly. For one I bett she's got nothing to do with LFC and why we didn't sign a forward, two: fans who do this are not fans their lunatics. we all care about the club, in my case maybe a bit too much but threatening someones life over a bad few years is just absurd.
A field was quiet by its exceptional standards today, which is sad to experience, especially when what the team and manager need these days is the support if our amazing fans

I'm probably ranting now so I don't want to bore you all. This negativity has to stop its not doing us or the club any good. Were in a bad position but we need the support of the fans now more than ever, we need stability which is what the owners are providing, we need a manager who understands what this club means, which we've got but most of all we need time, time to build time to improve, time to progress. I hope Brendan and the owners are given this, its the only way!

In complete agreement. Well put!

Kenny was under no constraints he was spending like he was having a midlife crisis beside being over midlife.

Jesus man. ever heard of brevity? i'm not reading all that

02 Sep 2012 22:39:11
next summer we need a new GK a new striker a Right Winger and maybe a CM to replace Gerrard. {Ed062's Note - I think Shelvey if he continues his development can be the replcement for Gerrard}

Shelvey may come good but he aint or wont be a Stevie-quality required

Agree ed. I actually think it may of been a slightly different game with him starting today. He is very creative and got the right attitude and skills. When he came on we looked alot more dangerous.

Raffa still looking out for us lol.

imagine he cost us £1.7m

Henderson 2 years older three years more EPL experience cost us £16m+ and jonjo is preferred.

02 Sep 2012 22:38:01
Everyone is freaking out, I thought we played quite well vs City and today vs Arsenal, If it wasn't for a backpass by skrtel vs city and 2 poor save attempts by Pepe today we wouldn't be seeing all this negative BS....We all need to chill and realize that these are correctable mistakes and the goals will come...Have a little patience for christs sake...I love all of you reds lol

phillyred

Where the goals gonna come from mate?

02 Sep 2012 22:35:14
UEFA president Platini revealed he has given 27 European clubs a deadline to put their house in order. "They were told to sort their finances out before June 30. Then they had until July 15 to discuss any problems," he said.

"The next check on September 30 will be vital. For clubs who can't follow the rules of the Financial Fair Play system, it is over and out of Europe.

eds,do you know what english clubs were on this list.

red jay {Ed062's Note - { i read that man city was one}

Yeah Man City had to be careful this summer with signings there favoured targets were Thiago Silva, Javi Martinez and Robin Van Persie but couldn't go in for them due to the FFP.... The safest club surprisingly is Manchester United as they operate at a profit unlike most teams around the world and at a huge one at that (I think I am right)......

02 Sep 2012 22:32:22
Ed

These numbers were posted 3rd of May 2012. There is no way a company would be posting there numbers nearly a year after they happened. It would not be allowed under tax law. Those numbers would be for the year up to the 31st March 2012. The signings under Dalglish would need to be included within them. the players would need to be kept on the balance sheets and what ever costs asscociated with buy them would have been paid including down payments etc.

yes there maybe costs of payments broken down over a certain period of time, but Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Suarez, etc would all have been included on the balance

02 Sep 2012 22:32:17
FFs why didnt we even get ricky Lambert?

02 Sep 2012 22:34:15
Brendan Rodgers doesn't deserve this awful treatment he gets. He is a fantastic manager and if he was actually backed we would kick on.

BthekingB {Ed062's Note - agreed Brendan has probably had a very tough week yet he shows passion and honour he deserves a chance}

Brendan rodgers will be a legend get behind the team fellow reds

Anyone giving BR a hard time displays pathetically little about the size of the job he took on. He took over a top 8 club with a fantastic record for winning but those glory days are nearly a quarter of a century ago. Wake up and smell the coffee - this is going to take years so give BR some support.

His statements are too calculated, too populist. he thinks he can play us by learning a bit of lfc history. the mans a fake

02 Sep 2012 22:28:44
Yes it was poor in the second half today but there is no way we will be relegated. I believe we will finish higher than we did last season but these things take time. We are short n striking options so why not give Adam Morgan a go from the bench? I support the owners and wht they are trying to do. I would much rather be like arsenal and relatively self sufficient than like chelsea or city. If either of those twos sugar daddy's walked away they would be in big trouble, not being able to pay the huge wages etc.

02 Sep 2012 22:26:45
Come on lads, in our first 3 games we've played Arsenal and Man City. The season is 3 weeks old. We are all disappointed that we didn't sign a striker or two, but no matter how much moaning we do, it won't change that fact. FSG are not bad people, they are business men trying to make LFC sustainable, which is not a bad thing. Sugar daddies are great but they are very few and far between. Arsenal deserved 3 points today, but we desereved 3 points against Man City. We all love LFC and when our team loses anger and dismay takes over so I think we can put alot of the tirades on here down to that anger but some of the posts go beyond ridiculous. After a loss I try not to post because I feel so down that my posts are too negative, maybe we should all employ that idea.
Anyway, Once again Joe Allen was superb as was Sterling. Gerrard (not for the 1st time of late) and Suarez were poor. Lets move on (together).

You'll Never Walk Alone

Tommy Walsh {Ed062's Note - Great post}

02 Sep 2012 22:25:42
A very dissapointing day but I think those who are calling for FSG to go should maybe calm down and consider the facts and also the realities of the modern day football world.

Firstly, most club owners are not mega rich oil barons willing to lose hundreds of millions on a hobby.
FSG bought LFC with the intention of increasing the value of the club. They are business people - no problem with that.

Secondly, FSG did not choose the players that KD wanted to spend 100 odd million on. The error that they made was to give KD the job in the first place. Each and every one of those players has massively under-performed so at the end of last season we had a very average squad, with some massively over paid and had our worst PL campaign ever. Add to that 2 of our previous world class players are now even struggling to justify their starting places so poor is their form. (thats a pretty difficult starting place for a new manager of LFC whose fans expect so much)

Thirdly, they were brave enough to fire a club legend and install a young manager rather than another 'big name'.

In summary I dont think FSG are doing a bad job. Yes they have made mistakes but with BR at the helm I think the future is now bright. However, this is not going to be turned around in one or two windows. It could take 3 or 4 or 5 for BR to have the squad he wants. Yes the 'Dempsey' deal was a mess and we came out of it looking stupid but its not going to make or break our season.

It looks like it will be a long haul before we are able to challenge at the top again but thats not really largely the fault of FSG. For that look at David Moores, Hicks & Gillett and others.

Jan

FSG are shocking owners

{Ed062's Note - I think a lot of us as liverpool fans are extremeley frustrated and rightly so, but just imagine how Brendan is feeling he has one of the thinnest teams in the league, was stiched up on deadline day, has had a very hard couple of fixtures and lost a key player in lucas. He must be feeling very frustrated and extremely tired yet, he gives his all to this team and most of all is honoured to have his job! So please lets get behind the manager and get behind the team!!}

Agreed ed. I don't believe BR is to blame for today. He must be as fed up as the fans about Friday. Just need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and dig in for a result against Sunderland.
Adrian

If BR was stiched up he should resign and bring the stitcher to book

02 Sep 2012 22:17:21
Hi ed's, can you think of any free agents off the top of your head? Dont have to be interested in them? Just curious to know what is out there!

Cheers

Big T {Ed019's Note - Owen? Klasnic? Heskey? }

Heskey any time

02 Sep 2012 22:03:56
I'm inclined to think Rogers has to start Shelvey, and I'm inclined to think he should play in what is currently Gerrards position. Given our current paucity of attacking options playing Gerrard as the rightmost of the front three might bring some dividends, his best ever season goalwise was on the right wing.

02 Sep 2012 22:02:58
Free Agents - Klasnic has to be a better bet than owen? Not so injury prone.

No sooner have emile heskey

02 Sep 2012 22:20:21
We actually were not that terrible today...more possession, more chances, more corners, better pass completion.....dodgy goal keeping and iffy finishing. neither is terminal i dont think

Joe allen harldy put a foot wrong, sterling was excellent, shelvey had 2 good shots well saved and looks to have a real eye for goal. Give this kid games and i am convinced he will chip in with goals providing he is played in a more advanced position.

We definitely miss a holding midfielder, got caught cold on the break with no protection which lead to the first goal. Perhaps agger could fill in for lucus with coates filling centre back?

Rogers has us playing the right way, was pleasing on the eye at times but individual errors and poor finishing has let us down.

patients is key here, it may take some time but I can certainly see BR's ideas developing amongst the team. I believe that if everyone starts performing to there potential level, the points will start rolling in. I believe that this is the right way to play football. At the moment i still believe in BR

02 Sep 2012 22:02:58
Free Agents - Klasnic has to be a better bet than owen? Not so injury prone.

02 Sep 2012 22:17:13
Personally I think that Gerrard should play in the front 3. Fantastic a player as he is his pass completion rate is quite low in comparison to other players, which just doesn't suit how we aspire to play. I wouldn't mind seeing borini and Suarez swapping roles, I just see fabio as more of a finisher but what do I know, BR knows his stuff and I'm sure he'll turn it round.

Green red

Gerrard does the magic pass and when you pass the ball 40 or 50 yeards frequently you are going to have a less than 100 % pass completion rate

Its gerrards inability to play a simple ball that makes me wanna slap him. has he learned nothing from hollywood adam?

02 Sep 2012 22:15:45
Worse thing about that game is that we played arguably our best eleven

cozinoz {Ed019's Note - Lucas}

Sagna, Schez, Wilshere, Koselieny, Rosicky. I mean anytime you see Arsenal play Jenkinson and Mannone you know they are struggling for players

But where would Lucas fit if we are playing 4-3-3
I cant see Rogers starting him instead of allen, sahin or gerrard, only way is if gerrard moves to right wing n lucas slips in

Lucas should play infront of Sahin

02 Sep 2012 22:15:37
Genuinely worried about Gerrard, who looks like his patience has run out and his frustration has boiled over. Not that that's acceptable from the club captain. Suarez will find form, and things will look better. When that will be I can't tell you. Borini? I have no idea. He can't be totally helpless if he made it into the squad of a European Finalist, but then again it's been awhile since Italy produced a truly ruthless strike

02 Sep 2012 22:15:22
A lot of us are slating Stevie, and yes he did have a poor game, however, what about this for a scenario. He a big lad, 6' plus, he can head goals, he can score goals from anywhere in the box, he can put himself about, he can hold the ball up why not stuck him up front. He isn't as fast as he used to be so midfield is a bit too much for him now. Let Stirling and Luis do all the wing work and he can pop them in?

Over and Out

02 Sep 2012 22:15:20
In all honesty, my brain is fried. The doom mongers are getting to me, I am starting to feel very depressed about it all. No game this weekend to win and make me feel better either. Let's hope I wake up feeling a bit more positive about it all, cus I don't want to feel like this for 2 bloody weeks!

Nick

Come on mate you need to get into the gloom of things

Justa s well m8, if there was a game coming up, u really think we'd win it?

02 Sep 2012 22:13:58
Great post by Keith EFC. Hope every red reads it!

KrishnaYNWA

02 Sep 2012 22:11:25
Eds how are the Red Sox placed in America any issues? Does antone know?

Does anyone care ?? B

Ask Antone.

On the feet

02 Sep 2012 22:09:43
Any Ed's

What is your prediction on where Liverpool will finish in the League table this season

THANKS

GAM {Ed019's Note - Too early to say in my opinion }

Bottom half of the table

Somewhere between 8th - 12th in my opinion.

No chance whatsoever of finishing in the top 4 with this squad.

11th if were lucky!

02 Sep 2012 21:57:32
You eternal optimists wake up.Fenway saved loads offloading yet set unrealistic targets.Stevies past best, Reinas hearts elsewhere. you dont offload when just got two strikers and no ones signed WAKE UP were a mess

Yes, we're a mess, but there are loads of positives still. You must have a poor quality of life.

02 Sep 2012 21:57:26
Eds as BR is building a team for the future and moving on the dead wood out of the squad I think you should be doing the same with some of the fans who post utter ridiculous rubbishe, any way you can farm them off to Tottenhams page?

02 Sep 2012 21:54:38
guess we are where we are so what about john carew,
plenty of prem experience and still only 32 and a free agent.
agree = john carew.
disagree = red jay has no clue.

RED JAY

02 Sep 2012 21:54:01
Had time now to reflect on today.
I know were all pi**ed off but the 3 results we have had are the same as last year:-

West Brom lost 2-0 away
Man City drew 1-1 home
Hammers lost 1-2 home.

So nothing has really changed from last year 1 point is all we had in these games too.

We now have nearly 2 weeks to practice are set up and bed in the new guys. Thats a lot of training sessions.

The next 3 games:- Sunderland away we lost last year 1-0 (0 points)
Man U at home we drew 1-1 (1 point) and Norwich away we won 3-0. (3 points)

So dont be too upset. We are work in progress as they say.
I too share your desire to be back up with the so called "big boys" and I am sure we will. BUT ITS GOING TO TAKE TIME!!...............Stick with the team and the Manager cos we are LFC, the best Fans in the world.
YNWA
Razor

Hammers WTF! we neva played them last year or this year yet

A couple of things: we beat WBA 2-0 away and Arsenal are not the Hammers.
Rigsby.

Why nit pick - you know what he meant! It's a rumours/banter page not a football knowledge test!

I agree with what you've said, I think given our situation with lack of strikers it's good that we are keeping up with last season currently. We have a new manager, new tactics, new players, which as we all know takes time. We have been dealt some tough opposition to kick start the season as well. Plus at some point BR is bound ro try switching Borini and Suarez and notice that it works better. My only concern, as I'm sure everyone's is, is how our very thin squad will compete in four competitions this season. Surely something has to give?

In all fairness though we can't do any worse than last season surely? Arsenal had a dismal start last year and still finished 3rd so there's hope yet. Other teams are having their issues too, City changing formation, utd lack of midfield, Chelsea lack of strikers, like us, spurs summer hasn't looked quite so shiny without moutinho signing, arsenal lose the player who carried them last season.

Don't get me wrong I'm as bummed as everyone else that we loaned Andy Carroll without replacing him, but it's not as doom and gloom as it seems. If we can do even slightly better than last season with a reduced wage bill and thinner squad then surely that's a good thing?

Trust in BR, he is dedicated and genuine, I believe he will fight for us and make us a force again. And the owners may not be popular with us at the moment, but they are businessmen, they don't want to see the club fail.

02 Sep 2012 21:52:08
STRIKERS! we could of bought for less than what we offered for dempsey!
SPORTING LISBON GAMES GOALS ASSISTS
19 ricardo esgaio 5 3 1
19 betinho 4 2 0
CLUB UNIVERSIDAD DE CHILE
22 seb ubilla 17 11 2
NACIONAL MONTEVIDEO
19 gonzalo bueno 1 1 0
ATLETICO TIGRE
20 diego ftacla 3 2 1
BK HACKEN
20 abdul majeed waris 21 17 4
AALBORG BK
21 nicklas helenius 4 2 1
HEERENVEEN
alfred finnbogason 24 15 8

you telling me if we couldnt get dempsey we wasnt going for anyone? load of crap theres players out there that can do a job for us jus we was short sighted once again. and before everyone says ive seen a couple of these players play not all of them but im jus going of stats thats it.

Is this some sort of cleverly disguised sarcasm or parody?

I'm sure Aalborg BK is a comparable club to Liverpool in a comparable league to the English Premier Division... NOT.

By that logic, why didn't we just go ahead and sign Gary Twigg? Scores like a boss in Ireland.

- Something Red -

Can't wait to get back on football manager?!?! I heard there was a player in conference who scored 50 goals, he has to be prem quality. The stats say so!!!

JD

02 Sep 2012 21:50:13
Hey Eds, do you see us signing a free agent striker or not? Also, does Rodgers rate Pacheco very highly? He always seemed like a bright striker who could finish but I don't know if he will be given the chance now? Hoping you can respond to these. Thanks Eds! {Ed001's Note - no I don't and no he hasn't proven himself.}

02 Sep 2012 21:44:15
Eds i know not many people want him, but what are the chances of LFC getting Owen on a free for the coming season as a plan B, but at the same time what do you think the odds of getting Del Piero are ? Thanks in advance {Ed019's Note - Low}

02 Sep 2012 21:48:15
Shocking performance today. Not good enough. International break has come at a good time for us. Luckily we play Sunderland to try and get some points on board and first win before united {Ed062's Note - Wouldn't necessarily say 'luckily' Sunderland are our bogey team haha}

02 Sep 2012 21:34:57
Thanks for initial saviour of LFC Fenway. Now tell us truth about state of club or f off

02 Sep 2012 21:34:27
can you add this to my post.
You could sense the disappointment from the transfer deadline day activety at the game today, the players, manager and supporters were all feeling a bit down. We now have a welcome international break to give brendan time to get his head around what he has to work with and get the best out of the players he has to work with. If you look at the squad its really good. Best of luck for the season from a west ham fan.
HRF

02 Sep 2012 21:23:16
I had the privilege of a corporate invite today and I must say was not impressed- my assessment for what its worth
Reina - another error today- time to drop him for a match to get his head right
We are meant to be playing tiki taka type possession football but Arteta and Diaby bossed the midfield and we allowed their playmaker Cazorla to receive the ball too often in the final third.
We gave away possession unnecessarily and when not under any kind of pressure all throughout the game.
the decison making by our forward line was poor; Suarez running into 4 or 5 defenders instead of holding the ball up, also him and Borini attacking the bye-line when they could have got their head up and picked out a pass (in the first half especially). Borini looked like a rabbit in the headlights when he got the ball- where do we get such expensive signings from - the other clubs must see us coming. One major worry was we kept playing it high into the box when our forward line is short and their defenders are giants.
Cos we loaned Carroll out there was also no plan B when plan A was not working.
Turning to the defending, when they were breaking instead of our players clattering the attacker with the ball and taking one for the team (in the same way the Arsenal defender did with Sterling early on ) we backed off and allowed them onto us.
Verdict- great deal of improvement- top four definitely out of the question this year and squad not equipped to challenge on all 4 fronts (europa, FA, Carling cup and the league- the manager will have to prioritise one or two.
I hope BR can get it right but as a supporter of 40 years I am not very optimistic about the short trem future of the club both on and off the pitch

Agree on tournament prioritisation, though I don't know how well it will go down with the powers at be if LFC are seen to be throwing in very weak side in the league cup with no striker for example! esp as it may be again the best route to European football. Kenny wasn't daft last season. Europa will bring in a few million in tv money and gates this season to shore up the creaking finances. and might entice a good striker to join im January if not euro cup tied.
The real question is does BR know how to prioritise...signing midfielders when every fan and his dog knew it was a striker that was needed. And loaned out the only international striker bar Suarez the day before the window closed..why why didn't they wait until the Friday to see what the state of play was. It was amateurish stuff.

We do not have the quality and depth of squad to sustain challenges on 4 fronts

You went so speak sense most on here blind armchairs

Lol. armchairs. u can see better on the telly u nugget

02 Sep 2012 21:22:39
Hi ed(s).

While direct abuse to the owners is totally uncalled for, I can understand the frustrations of the fans and I believe it is down to 2 things. First they see that the squad is very bare and we have no striking options especially when we were struggling for goals anyway. Seecondly people are concerned we wont get into the top 6 or 7 looking at the quality we have up front. Potentially having an untried 18 year old as back up is a awful situtation.

Do you think there are any other players within the reserves and youth teams who could step up if needed?

Thanks, Andy

02 Sep 2012 21:21:05
Eds

I have a few difficulties in understanding the fact the main claim is we have no money:

Bear with me:

In May this year the numbers show that we made a loss of 49.4 million. However, within that number we had 59 million of exceptional costs (the new stadium and payoffs to Purslow and Hodgson). Therefore in fact as a business we made a profit of 10 million quid on the actual revenues and costs we generated. These costs would include the price of buying and selling players.

(Now these numbers do not include the extra revenue from Warrior, Chevrolet or the increase in TV money. They also do include monies gained in the champions league becuase were not in it.)

So, on a 10 million profit we have significantly reduced our wages and also generated increased commercial revenues, why are we so strapped for cash? It is not because we have no Champions league football and it is not anything to do with the spending under dalglish (net spend was not so high) as these numbers will be taken into account in those accounts.

I think FSG are looking to sell the club at a large profit and to take off large dividends from the company while they own it.

Why do i say that?

Well they have done the 2 things that would expect them to do to make the value of Liverpool go up. They have increased revenues and lowered costs making the company more profitable. hence more attractive.

Now some will cry that they made huge investment under King Kenny. Well actually the net spend was about 30-35 million and the company did not lose money as the accounts have shown. Remember the big spend of Carroll and suarez was offset by Babel and Torres.

What they did was trying to speculate to accumulate, i.e. the invested to try and get us into the Champions league, but they did it in a way that reduced costs (buying younger cheaper salaried players).

The investment they made would have been easily covered by the added revenue from the Champions league so there was no real loss if we had made it. Therefore, they would then have had a club that was generating more money with a smaller cost base. making it more attractive.

Now that did not work, so they went the other way which was to still generate new commercial revenues but they seriously reduced the costs to the company. therefore the final profit would be the same as in the champions league but with smaller revenues and smaller costs.

They have taken nearly 30 million off the salary this year alone and put little back on for the long term. We have added Allen, Assaidi and Borini. All players on less than what the ones we have shipped out were on (Maxi, Kuyt, Adam, Carroll, etc.). Sahin is a one year loan and his salary will come off this year only.

Thomas Di Bennetto (a FSG investor) has done the same thing at Roma. Invest for the Champions league and when it fails start to slash costs.

By doing this and keeping up a pretence of still investing FSG can try and sell a team that is pretty strong but which needs significant investment.

In the next couple of years we will need:
a replacement for carragher
A replacement for gerrard
2 new strikers
a replacement for sahin
a replacement for Henderson
Back-up wingers

It is a band aid in fact.

Now the ideal thing for FSG is to sell for a good profit before the assets need replacing an hope the buyers are not fully aware of this problem.

Best regards

Orrin {Ed002's Note - Those figures relate to the previous year. The following year saw significant spending on players post June 30. There is another loss to be declare next spring - about £50M again.}

What significant spend Ed? Orrin has summarised the Maths, FSG's business model is as clear as the days long. Get American venture capitalists not only out of our club but out of football full stop. They are a poison. American business is a global poison designed to exploit.

Orrin's spot on, it's classic business flipping practice. Enhance revenue streams and reduce costs. They bought the club at a snippet, £30 mill net spend to date. I'm quite sure once they've tinkered with the accounts and applied th industry multiplier, the capital value of th club will exceed he £300 mill they paid.

They are not investing for the future. They are full of Yankee Doole good old us of a big mouth crap. LFC is nothing more than a hedge fund.

Werner has spouted off how we're not living up to our side of the rivalry with man utd. Rooney, van persie, welbeck and Hernandez. We need £100 mill plus and a decent wage carrot to match that sort of quality. It's not going to happen.

As Orrin's has said, no doubt the basketball player and the other hedge fund investors Henry's looking after enjoy a decent premium whilst LFC continues to cascade into what could be a relegation battle.

Ozone

Ed002,

Remember these numbers were released in May 2012. My guess is from a tax point of view cover everything for the year 2011/2012 up to 31st march 2012.

Therefore, purchases in June/July/August 2011 (under Dalglish reign must be included as they belonged to club) must be in them. The players would be kept as assets on the balance sheet and any payment be it up front or full amount will be included in the profit and loss account.

Yes if the payments are staged then they would carry over to other years but any asset must be presented within those accounts.

Orrin {Ed002's Note - No. As I said the accounts relate to the previous year. Liverpool's tax year ends at the end of the season - June 30. Your guesses, figures, and most else you said etc. are incorrect. Perhaps reading the accounts would be more appropriate than making ridiculous and erroneous guesses that misinform.}

Thank god for Ozone but the blind dont let the facts get in way of their stupidity

02 Sep 2012 21:20:40
Ask yourself this..... Did u really think we would be at the top of table? Maybe a goal difference of 10? It's gonna take a while to install the system and we all knew that. Yes I am gutted someone really messed up with the transfers. But look at arsenal, they reach the top 4 after losing so many great players. They bring people in and sell them for profit. They have played the best football for seasons without all the expensive signings. I feel the owners are looking at this as an example. But unfortunately pretty football and breeding footballers doesn't get you any trophies! I also feel we are not going to be with the elite of football without spending. Yes you can win things with tiki taka football but that's with the likes of iniesta and xavi ect. Suarez needs a rest as do pepe and gerrard! Bang on the kids BR. These and Joe Allen are the future, before we start selling them too.

02 Sep 2012 21:19:35
Like most fans i was dissapointed by todays result and a bit cheesed of by the way the transfer window ended. But i have to say that is nothing to how i feel reading some of the drivel mouthed on this great site.(sack the owners,get brendon out,bring in owen)...for god sake.
I hope that the majority of you dont get to games else its no wonder the famous atmosphere is missing.
EDs is there any chance you can not post anything not signed.?fair play to you for responding to so many because if it was me id of lost the plot by now..

Jeffsy

02 Sep 2012 21:45:58
Drogba looks the most likely emergency signing {Ed062's Note - He's not on a free.}

Heskey is on a free he did well for us

Lad above WHAT???

02 Sep 2012 21:40:38
Any Liverpool 'Fan' sending death threats to FSG, Ayre and Mrs Henry GET OUT OF MY CLUB!!

we dont want you supporting us and never will!!

They are the owners, yeah they made a mistake but so far backed Kenny and BR and it's their fault if the tactics they use are wrong!

The passing game looked exactly that today.. All passing and no movement! I worry Rogers came to this club hell bent on getting some players out more than bringing some players in... it seems a niave approach not to have a plan B but he will learn I hope!

We are a goalscorer away from top 6 and remember we have played 2 of last seasons top 3!! Yeah we should have won the first match, and I remember saying in June we need a new goalkeeper as Renia just doesn't want to be here.

But our shambolic defending and lack of attacking threat will pass and the players will get used to this total upheaval in style! Most new managers take a few months to settle... I am so disheartened seeing fellow 'fans' chanting to get the manager and board out after only 3 games!!

You should be totally ashamed!! We play better when the fans are behind the team not against it! One more Anfield trip like that, with so much abuse hurled at our boys and manager and I could never take my children again! I want them to see what supporting a team is all about, Its only a game for god sake!!

Red-David-26

02 Sep 2012 20:44:58
Ed002?

Do you think that FSG will be looking or at least exploring the option of selling Liverpool due to the disgraceful actions of a lot of our "fans"? I don't know too much about them (personality-wise) and whether they will stand for too much of this crap.

I am genuinely ashamed of some of the fans.

Ash {Ed002's Note - I would hope not in the short term.}

02 Sep 2012 21:37:26
I probably won't be the first to say it, but with all this Reina criticism, how can we go from third strongest defence last season, to leaking like a Bolton. Check the facts. Third best goals against record last season.

Could it be the midfield is actually weaker? Leaving a defence without Lucas with too much to do.

Looking at Facts again-We all knew we didn't have a striker option so why change the midfield, spending £28m to do so. Instead, the priority should have been a striker. A striker. Not opening the door and washing them down the road to Cardiff and London. If we kept what we had it would have been a fraction of the cost of the £28m on two midfielders, with the actual possibility of scoring being a bonus.

And maybe the midfield which protected the defence wouldn't have become so damaged.

Who decided a striker wasn't worth prioritising? Answer that and we may be closer to understanding why the team is not capable of winning anything this season. Winning, remember what it was like to win trophies? Oh yes. Did a bit of that last season, when the defence was strong. {Ed062's Note - I think rodgers would have been told to get the strikers when they are available and their team had replacements}

Ed062, I appreciate the post. But prioritising strikers should have been task number one. Not signing new midfielders making the task of integrating a new method even more difficult. The defensive quality of the team last season can't be faulted looking at goals conceded. It was Goals For that were missing. There were plenty strikers looking to move before the window closed esp after the Euros. I hear there is a good striker at West Ham, who will be rested during the upcoming international fixtures !

02 Sep 2012 21:37:06
Fsg are just as bad as Hicks and gillet typical Americans mad for money time for Henry ta head back to America won't spend {Ed062's Note -we're in a much better position because of the give it time}

02 Sep 2012 21:36:49
Hello reds, not a good day today! reina for 1 should be dropped for a bit and let someone else have the light. suarez, what are you playing at? you do know that there are 9 other team mates on the pitch too! pass to them, please!
the only thing i would say regarding suarez is that he plays better on the wings and not in the center so him and borini should swap! my squad would be:

gulasci
glen,skrtz,agger,enrique
jonjo,sahin/gerrard,allen
suarez,borini,sterling

fingers crossed whe take our feet out of our arses and start playing as a team. maybe give yesil, morgan and assaidi a shot. probably couldnt do any worse!
next stop, sunderland!

02 Sep 2012 21:32:24
Im sorry but if Brendan Rodgers could transform our team in 3 prem games we would never have been able to afford him as a manager! Everyone needs calm down, support the lads and the manager and give it a season. Give it half a season. But dont start crying after 3 games, 2 being the current champions and Arsenal!! I wished for 9 points but I expected us to get 4 points in reality from these 3 games. We will improve as Rodgers said after the game. All you doom merchants are a joke give the guy a chance...we have had a good clear out and yes it will give the youth players a chance and also make the january window very interesting. Sahin, Allen, Borini, Sterling and Assaidi will get better every game they play. We have had a bad start but we not been playing against relagation fodder. West Brom beat a strong Everton side! City almost got done over by us and today we could have done a bit better with the goals we let in. It will come in time. Lets be patient...boo boys please go cheer for another team

02 Sep 2012 21:32:07
First time post on here..

Can't believe the amount of people suggesting ludicrous free agents. Especially when we have players like Michael Ngoo and Adam Morgan in the academy who are just as capable of taking a spot on the bench.

Cheers

lfcreserve

02 Sep 2012 21:28:09
Would be very grateful if one of the eds could answer this for me why are we losing so much money at the club every year and each week?? If it has already been answered can they tell me where so I can read it please. Also is there any chance we might bring a free agent in?? Thanks LMC {Ed001's Note - because we had a very amateur operation under Moores, that is still being brought up to the kind of level that the likes of United have. We don't have that kind of income coming into the club. Then there is the stadium issue, we lose out there, especially in the area of executive boxes, which is where the main income comes from. We also have a large wage bill.}

02 Sep 2012 21:17:32
Bad team you lot at the minute. Especially when Gerrard ain't himself. What's next for lfc?

To your first two points, I agree, but the Buddha say "nothing is permanent". Sunderland away next, for your third. What about yourself?
Rigsby.

02 Sep 2012 21:17:28
The only positive I can give is that we won't be playing a top 4 - 6 side every week. Suarez will play better with team, against teams that are less organised at the back. Sterling will rip some full backs apart. Allen and Sahin will pass some teams to death and our defence can surely only get better, as lets face it; it couldn't get any worse with time.

Papa G

Apart from Villa,there are no easy games any more

Yeah so, going on your logic we should be ok for the 7th-12th position no problem then.

02 Sep 2012 21:12:06
I dont know the stats.

But if someone could look at our win percentage with and without Gerrard over the last 2 years, i could put my house on it being higher without him in the team.

We was fantastic early last season, when SG was injured, then it was a role reversal with lucas and the slide began.....

Yes he is mr liverpool, yes hes my child hood icon. But maybe now questions need to be asked...

Carra went on in the starting line up far after he was past it and is only recently dropped...just feel we either need to put a rocket up his arse or drop him. Allen Sahin Shelvey is a very good lineup in the middle for now.

Also can someone please tell me suarez didnt try to chip the ball over keeper in the 86th minute? Thats when i changed channel....

Benny baller

Bang on, living on reputation mate

02 Sep 2012 21:11:13
It's not fsg who kick, tackle, pass and head the ball. It's the players and today they were poor. It has to be made clear they need to improve especially the senior players as this is the only way we will get results. They should be professional enough to forget their gripes and play to their ability. Is Gerard injured?

Pompey red

Fsg misled and lied-see B.R quote re letting A.C go.Dissappointments spread right through players and fans and thats their fault

02 Sep 2012 21:06:54
Hi edds, just wondering, from the best of my knowledge, Alonso is in the last year of his contract at Madrid, supposedly he has refused to signa new contract according to some reports, indicating he will leave next summer (most likely to us as he has said he wants to finish his career with us and also fits BR's style of play) AND with Sahin signed on for a year, if he has a good season and both LFC and Sahin want to make his stay permanent, would Madrid let both of them go in the same summer? A real conundrum, but they signed Modric and they might sign Essen on a permanent... What's your take eds? Cheers and keep up the hardwork

YoungRedJ {Ed001's Note - Real Madrid told Alonso they wouldn't be offering him a new contract.}

Why this obsession with Alonso. Next season he will be another year older and his legs gone a little more. Dont buy players when they passed their peak. Flippen hell!!

"Was" a great player for us!! {Ed016's Note - Joe Allen is a fantastic player, He has it all. He will be a big for us for a long time. Xabi should come back as a coach perhaps when he is done playing. I know he wants to go into managing eventually.}

Its unlikely xabi will return methinks

02 Sep 2012 21:05:23
hi eds been watching the likes of morgan and coady for a while now both look like decent players do you think any of them are good enough for a run in the 1st team and do you expect them to play a part in the league or just in cups? {Ed001's Note - yes and mostly cups, though I think Morgan will probably get a chance when injuries and tiredness affects the team.}

02 Sep 2012 21:03:02
Is it me are all us LFC fans fools? Is it crying ovedr spilt milk but lets go back. Did David Moores line his pocket with Hicks & Gillett instead of DIC to get a few million more? Has our club been run by inept managers/board? We buy Keane £20 million and a week later sell him for £15 million to the same team!! Then Adam £9 million and sell for £4 million, Carroll £36 million and loan him out and buy overated players for inflated prices Downing £20 million, Henderson £16 million. What is going on? I hope BR does well but its his head on the block now. Please can we stop being from the greatest football club in England to the biggest laughing stop. Enough is enough. Fingers crossed!!

How are Red Sox doing in America and issues

In s it huge fan dissatisfaction, sold best players. Alarm bells are ringing mate {Ed063's Note - What 'best players' were these? Adam who was slated all season for being fat and slow? Spearing who everyone thinks to be rubbish? Please enlighten me?}

02 Sep 2012 21:00:26
on a brighter note, joe allen is boss. anyone who moaned about paying 15m for him are wrong. he will be worth doube that sooner or later. and raheem our other stand out player again, will only get better. i think when sahin adjust to the pl and the team will be a star. give it time. fans blasting he tea after ony 3 games are personic. blaming stevie too. every player has bad games, he can still boss a midfield with his passing there is no way he should be benched. in my opinion there is no need to look on the free tansfer list. promote within. the likes of ngoo. morgan. suso. and throwinf yesil straight in would definitely look better options on the bench than we had today. look at raheem, just shows that these youngster can possibly withstand the pressure and shine. but got to be given the chances. i think suso and yesil should definitely be in with the 1st team. yesil and morgan as our back up attacking options and suso is a david silva in the making. and play them in cup games. anyway to all the fans dissing, get behing the tea win or lose. i still beleive the future is bright. we will come good. YNWA

In all fairness Allen didnt have the best game today. but he will get soo much better with time.

Arsenes got another gem in cazorla, what a player

What allen was class

02 Sep 2012 20:57:41
Tired of reading all the posts slating reina he made 3 or 4 key saves then 1 mistake BANG he's the worst player on the pitch suddenly. Allen made a few mistakes aswell but dosen't show cause skrtel bails him out.

Also would love to see suso get a chance.

Lil Red

1 mistake? what about hearts Thursday night, and the cross he flapped at against city for their 1st equaliser. excellent keeper without question, but has become very complacent due to there being no real competition for his place. there`s nobody chomping at his heels to make him up his game. just an opinion.
The Rev

I think Suso will leave.

Reina brucie bonus?

02 Sep 2012 20:56:20
Hi Edds I know that west ham payed us 3 mil for andy to go on loan but is there any chance we can recall big andy from his loan spell?? YNWA-DAN {Ed001's Note - no, as I have already said about 20 times it is against Prem rules. When a loan fee has been paid no recall is allowed.}

We can recall in Jan 2013

So why is BR saying he can be recalled in January.?

LOL Ed001. Frustration at its fullest!

Its says he can come back in jan

We can in January
Tommy.

So is that a definate no then ed? ;-p
huddz red

02 Sep 2012 20:54:43
Some of you guys don't know the meaning of support !

It means support in good times and bad....constructive criticism yes but not vile vitriol.

The team needs time, so does BR and FSG.

FSG have stumped up a load of money and will get it right at LFC.... If they didn't bail us out we could have ended up like Rangers FC.

Also Stevie G is our best player ever - some of you people have no idea how much he loves and has contributed to LFC.

Ok he didn't have his best game today but he will be back to his best soon....so there is no need to slate him or disrespect him.

MULDER

Stevie g best lfc best player ever ? you havnt got a clue hes not even in the top5

majestic69 {Ed062's Note - Lol}

FSG have not stumped up a lot of cash. This is a fallacy as they managed to buy a club for £240m less than what the previous owners wanted with a business plan for the future of our club involving substantial financial input every year and a stadium development that was due to have started. I like John Henry but he seems a little removed and the people in place don't seem capable of understanding the importance of not treating a traditional institution as a simple asset.

I agree with you on the useless vitriol against some of our players though. I find it disgusting that mistakes are crucified whilst poor fandom is celebrated.

I keep reading how Gerrard is going to get back to his best, this has been going on for a year now! Perhaps you need to accept that Gerrard is not what he use to be and would be best suited to a impact sub role. It's time to let Shelvey take over! PJ

Yawn Stevies sadly past best. If alls well whys Ayres job under pressure?

FSG have already shown they don't have the funds to put Liverpool where they should be. They've undermined the manager this week and now our squad is seriously hindered as a result. I'm grateful for their rescue from hicks and gillette but they have to go now! You need to take your rose tinted specs off, we all care about the club some are realists however. {Ed062's Note - Mate if it wasnt for Ayre who i am sure is to be gone soon we would have spent reasonably high for a team thats not in the champions league}

Nice post. Some persons can't read thoug, so might be a waste of time...

Bigbadben

Best post tonight.

We're all disappointed, but it's early days.

We need to get behind the team and become their twelfth man.

Right on mate! The tiredness of Stevie was actually very clear. He just played a full 90 mins 2 days back. Give him a break people. He's a legend!

KrishnaYNWA

Was a legend-move on time

02 Sep 2012 20:54:02
It was pity Nuri Sahin was a passenger for the hour he was on the pitch , I look forward to seeing him put in a performance after the International break .

TheScarf

It was always going to be tough for him today. diaby arteta and cazorla played very well.

Cos we let them play well never got near

02 Sep 2012 20:53:38
Hey Eds,

How about getting Robbie Fowler to get his boots on and help us out?

Thatracoonstolemybacon {Ed001's Note - if only he was capable of still doing it for us!}

I'd love him to get coaching our strikers.

Not sure what he's like tactically, but he did it and did it f-ing well as a player for us.

He deffo wants too.....

Oh the days! There was no scary thought of drawing a blank in any games as there was God!

KrishnaYNWA

I love your user name lad
Tommy.

02 Sep 2012 20:52:42
Do some of you not remember Arsenal's start to last season? We beat them 2-nil at their place, United put 8 past them and they still made top 4.
It's early days.
Rigsby.

Liverpool will not make top 4. Rogers has stuffed this team. At best we will be in bottom top 5

They had van Persie
We have Borini

Yeah and they've been top 4 consistently for the last how many years we haven't.

Some valid points in the replies, as there was in my original post. Arsenal were written off after those results, prematurely, as it proved. Three games is too few to make judgements on a season. Liverpool might not make top four but you can't discount it yet.
Rigsby.

Arsenal could barely put a squad out this time last year as they where wrecked by injuries,they still have the likes of sagna,willsher,rosicky,frimpong their no1 keeper to come back as well not to mention not even playing wallcott today,although they lost rvp,i think their squad has better depth than last year plus it doesnt look like they are going to loose as many games defensivly this season so that will help them.so if arsenal have a better squad this season? and liverpools is weaker? that means lfc are are more than likely going to finish behind arsenal, so to answer your question,either city,chelsea,utd are going to have to finish below arsenal and lfc finishes above them to qualify for the cl,lol,i hope this makes sense,all hypothetical of course

02 Sep 2012 20:43:10
hi eds, in all honestly i think you should close down the liverpool-rumours site for a while, the amount of abuse you get is unreal, i suggest you take a break for a while and open up when things start to quieten down a bit, you never know it might teach a lesson to the so called fans that come on this great website just to moan and verbally attack you guys. just a thought

thanks :) {Ed001's Note - I like to think of it as a service, saves their family being driven mad with their whining.}

You need to take this site down! It drives me insane with all the whining and the moaning, however it is so addictive! And you eds do a great job also {Ed001's Note - cheers mate, I think.}

And also saves the poor Samaritans workers

Ben

I agree. Close it down for a couple of weeks.
See if it jolts some in to an understanding of "you don't miss your water.."
And it would mean I might get a bit of sleep!

02 Sep 2012 20:18:45
I dont understand what is wrong with lots of people on this side. A few weeks ago you were all excited about tiki taka football, and the man said to you it will take time. For the players to adjust to the new style. Last week you were all saying how good we play. Now because we lost the game you all want to suck Rodgers and the owners. What is the matter with you.

IT WILL TAKE TIMEeeeeeeeeeeeeee

{Ed062's Note - {Ed062's Note - I think a lot of us as liverpool fans are extremeley frustrated and rightly so, but just imagine how Brendan is feeling he has one of the thinnest teams in the league, was stiched up on deadline day, has had a very hard couple of fixtures and lost a key player in lucas. He must be feeling very frustrated and extremely tired yet, he gives his all to this team and most of all is honoured to have his job! So please lets get behind the manager and get behind the team!!}

That is one unfortunate spelling mistake!

We all want to suck rodgers and the owners steady on mate!

02 Sep 2012 20:17:46
That was a bad game but in the18 years I've watched Liverpool I've seen worse. Not blaming the fans today but in the city game everytime sterling got the ball youd swear we scored that gave the whole team a boost. We need more of this support we need to up our game off the field aswell as on it. I'm sick after that today but I'll still spend thousands supporting this team this year, lets just hope Stevie g finds his form again and Luis regains his Uruguay form. Oh and most importantly let's remember that at least we dont support those Manchester *******s and have a bit of personality
Believe
Ynwa
Lucky the red

Stop going on about mancs were s ite end of

Stop going on about mancs were s ite end of {Ed019's Note -

02 Sep 2012 20:17:23
When is assiadi available. Surely he must fit enough to make the bench at least. Realise now how much money kenny wasted

Sure all kennys fault and not the owners for sanctioning these deals. {Ed062's Note - What did you expect they put their faith in peoplw who they fought knew about football}

02 Sep 2012 20:16:12
Hi Eds, I am really dissapointed with "supporters" on this page saying that Rodgers is not the right man and FSG out, when it has been only three games. Remember last year and we where bottom 3 with Everton until November but we still ended up top half of the table.

Yes we have lost good players with experience, but i would much prefer young technical players who dont cause rifts through the team by handing in transfer requests or use us as a stepping stone to end up in La Liga.

If you look at the league this year alot of teams have gone for the Spanish approach having small technical players who hold the ball and high pressing defence. Spurs have addopted it and are they saying spurs will be relegated too, no they are not. A system where you pass alot from the back does cause mistakes which we are doing right now.

I have been an admirer of Rodgers for a number of years and i know exactly what he wants. Yes we have a lack of strikers but once it clicks and the team are fit as a whole then the goals will come from all directions. Andy going has put us backward a touch but if we sign a couple in January it will only get better. I love watching my team and this year i will much more cus we arent playing ridged 442 but an attacking high energy game of football and it makes me smile even if we do have a number of defeats.

I beleive in you Rodgers and so will everyone else
R.E.D 4ever

02 Sep 2012 20:15:51
i have seen a few posts already saying we will be in a relegation
i believe this is completely overreacting, there`s know way we will be,
but we are defo going to have to win the europa cup to qualify for europe next season, and if we are not in europe thats less money coming into the club therefor less to spend on players

wardie

We will be in dogfight at the bottom person

02 Sep 2012 20:15:35
Ed just wondering if you know why Assaidi hasnt been involved with the squad yet?

Thanks {Ed001's Note - I don't mate, I expected him to be involved today.}

02 Sep 2012 20:15:27
Eds & fellow Kopites do you think we should cash in on Suarez next season. He is to inconsistent for my liking as he flaters to deceive on to many occasions. Don't get me wrong, on his day he can be world class and he always gives his all, but I can't help thinking that we need a proper centre forward a fox in the box. I know it's early days but borrini looks weak and I can't see what improvements he brings to the team. Is he an improvement on Kuyt or Maxi? My hope is that Assadie (spelling) will give us what we need which is a bit of pace and a bit of creativity.
For me Berbatov would have been a good option I know he's in his 30's but lets face it he knows where the back of the net is. As things stand we should give Adam Morgan and the new German kid ago. They couldn't do any worse than what we have up front at present. Top 4 is deffo out of the question this season the lack of goal scorer will cost us.

The owners should have taken a risk and gone all out to get a top striker. Lets face it CL qualification would have repaid their outlay and more.

Elmo96

If we were to get 30M+ for Suarez, then I'd sell in a heartbeat on his performances the last few games. He's been doing a fine impersonation of Sturridge lately in my opinion...

Owners are taking the p ss

Great plan. And while you are at it, why doesn't BR tell Suarez he will be sold to make a profit, just to keep him motivated til he goes.
BR would be nuts to sell Suarez......

Why do you say Rogers would be mad to sell Suarez? If the money was invested in another striker whats the problem? Lets face it for a 25 million striker it's not exactley a great goal return.

Elmo96

02 Sep 2012 20:15:25
I would give anything right now to find out what is going on in Suarez's head. He is just complicating things. He is certainly now that 'finisher' we need. Its just so OBVIOUS in plain-sight. I simply love his flair but he's not the one who has to play in the centre. *MOVE HIM OUT WIDE* I am going let Stevie go this time. He dint play well today but he's getting old every one knows and he did play the whole 90 mins two nights back. Sahin should MOST DEFINITELY "NOT" have started. He has to come in adjust to the playing style first. And Shelvey, who has been having a great time, must have been the starter. Allen and Sterling stood out again(no surprises there). They're simply getting better by the day. I think this Assaidi guy is going to be immense. He will provide te same pace and width as Sterling on the other wing. Hope to see him sooner rather than later.
WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR DEFENCE! It has been in shambles since the near end of last season. Our defense is going to be a liability this season! Last season we were defensively very very good till Feb. I think just behind Man City. Somethiing has to be done regarding that for sure.
We create chance after chance. For what reason! Suarez and Borini should just get their heads down and just think about putting the ball into the net. Just get into the bloody box and shoot. I think its simple enough. We just seem to complicate everything in the box. PANIC PANIC PANIC! WHY?
Just hate to say this. But we seriously have not found the replacement we needed after Torres' departure. The last 3 seasons would have panned out differently had he been here or any other player of his attribute.
NEEDED: GOALSCORER. DOT!

KrishnaYNWA

You say dont play Suarez in the center where would you play him then because in another sentence you say play Assaidi on the Right.

Sterling-----?-------Assaidi

So basically you want to drop Suarez for Assaidi and have who in the center.

Kopping a feel

Borini in the centre. Would like to actually see if we score some goals when Suarez is not there. I have a feeling we might.

02 Sep 2012 20:52:31
i think fsg are just asset stripping , they darent do it with talismans of the club , because that would be too blatant , but things will change i think and the yanks are ready to flog the club.

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

The club was in debt when they bought it. The players are overpaid, average and burnt out. What assets are they stripping? Do you think they gonna melt shankly's statue next? Don't be foolish. They need to turn this club into champions if they are going to get anything out of their investment. Even if it is run solely as a business.
YNWA The Pirate

At last someone sees the obvious

02 Sep 2012 20:51:53
I cant believe there have been death threats to the owners forget the not being the liverpool way its not being 'human' way absurd

The owners are good not perfect but the are so much better than H+G and i would rather have someone like our owners than man city's

who are ruining the game for other clubs just wasting money to run the club the amount they have spent could have been put to much better use i.e non football altho nice to see they are restricting spending

Anyway the owners some fans have every right to be unhappy and express their views respectfully for reasons below:

No New on the stadium broken promise
Suarez affair
KK affair
for some not enough investment

On the other hand
Saved the club from admin
Lowering the wage bill without selling our star players getting rid of awful players on awful contracts
They provide satisfactory investment
sponsorships AMAAAZING
increasing global knowledge esp. in usa
err we can see lfc on tv even if it is cringeworthy

ima fan of the owners altho i do think if we couldn't afford a striker we shud have kept Carroll and adam and not loaned sahin simply because of money big fan of sahin

02 Sep 2012 20:51:24
I am saddened by the lack of fire power we seem to have. This appears now to have been a serious issue since the days of Owen and Fowler. No one has come in and replaced them and makes us really struggle on the park. We have the making of a great midfield if we can keep Sahin next year.
Sterling is exciting and when he puts some beef on and does not get knocked of the ball so easy its clear to see that he is a superstar of the future. Allen has come in and looks like he could be our modern day Alonso in that role. I used to love Pepe and hoped he would stay at Anfield for many years but i just get that feeling his heart is not in it and makes stupid mistakes because of it, time for him to consider moving on and bring in Jack Butland to replace him. I would love to see Godin and Llorente come to us in the jan transfer window as its clear to see BR will not fit big AC in his team. I can,t beleive that there was an issue with Clint Dempsey's cost and we lost Ramiez for such a small fee. I know the owners are trying to stablise the club and its great we have got rid of some players on big wages but that 21 odd million saved per year should have been used to bring in much needed players. Just my 2p worth.

Barry

Somethings badly wrong at LFC behind scenes-boardroom level

02 Sep 2012 20:48:46
why all the panic? LFC forwards :-

Luis Suarez
Fabio Borini
Adam Morgan
Dani Pacheco
Jesus Fernandez Saez
Samed Yesil
Oussama Assaidi
Villyan Bijev

If BR is prepared to give Sterling a run in the first team then surely Suso, morgan, Pacheco & Yesil should all get an opportunity to stake a claim? Also can't wait to see Assaidi tearing up the right wing, don't forget Assaidi can play anywhere across the front 3 so in actuality is classed as a forward.

You've missed the best Liverpool striker as of late, Michael Ngoo who just can not stop scoring!

BthekingB

Armchair stato loon

Original poster for real?

02 Sep 2012 20:48:07
Reality is we have got owners who are not rich compare to our rivals and as ed2 sayed they didn't know how expensive is to run football club in highest level so we are stuck with them and they are stuck with us. We need massive investment to take the club foward which FSG can not provide. Is it hurting the club yes are fans hurt looking the state of our club yes but at the end of the day they are our owners which will never change by moaning or negetive and we should except where the club is and start supporting at lest our players our manager and most importan our cllub

a

Fenway lied or someone did-if we unloaded Carroll we were buying a forward-next.....

02 Sep 2012 20:48:05
Begining to think FSG are like someone who's bought a Ferrari but wants to run it on chip fat oil .
It ain't gonna work people !

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

They bought an old rusted ferrari that is ridingon nothing but its name. A new flashy expensive paint job won't do anything as it needs to be stripped and rebuilt. All you fans are just looking at the cosmetics... The damage runs way deeper.
YNWA The Pirate

Yes, that explains why they've pulled off some great sponsorship deals to help run the club! What a stupid comment you made!

Bang on-all fur coat no draws this lot

02 Sep 2012 20:47:54
Ed is there any chance of something like a chat widget where people who use the site could talk during a match just an idea?

Go to the game!

02 Sep 2012 20:47:24
Ed is it true that Lucas Barrios is on a free ? Would be good business if we got him don't you think?

Jonesred {Ed002's Note - No.}

02 Sep 2012 20:47:24
Just passing by.
As the away team, Arsenal had a game plan and that planned worked. If it soothes your wounds, you may go on about 'outclassing Arsenal' in the first half. It was part of Arsenal's game plan to allow you more possession and hit you on the break. Most of Liverpool's possession was in areas of little threat. Arsenal's were always a threat going forward. With regards to your team, well, you are lightweight in midfield - none of your midfielders are comparable to Arsenal's. You may go on about Allen being class, but he is not Liverpool quality in my opinion- for less than Joe Allen's fee, Arsenal bought Carzola. Sterling is the one outstanding talent you have. Suarez is less consistent and i wish he would cut on complaints and tantrums, otherwise he is a talent. Martin Kelly is another great player you have. When i saw Shelvey come on as a substitute i thought about how the mighty have fallen. You are moaning about the lack of a striker from FSG - well isnt Borini a striker? Wasn't a good sum paid for him at the request of your manager? Sleep over the defeat and move on. In all honesty, in recent years you have not won at Anfield against Arsenal.

Man who

Yeap we are lightweight in middle clowns on here wont accept your constructive criticism mate

02 Sep 2012 20:47:16
It seems to me when our best players have an off day always seems to they all have an off day at the same time can't work it out least If it's only 1 or 2 we still av enough to quality to cope but not when 5 /6 players don't turn up

02 Sep 2012 20:46:40
You eds are taking this far to personally with some of your comments, they are a tad extreme. It is not a good start to the season thats for certain but Brendan just needs to sit down with the guys and sort out the best squad and system for each game. gerrard and suarez are world class, they have not become donkeys in two weeks. please be patient as liverpool are the neutral fans most respected and envied football club in british football history. You have one of the most loyal and honest fans in the country, this will not change overnight.

west ham fan in peace.ps thanks for carroll he will be the difference for us this season.
HRF

02 Sep 2012 20:46:15
I am an Australian.
I have been a Liverpool fan for nigh on 40 years - but in Australia it is difficult to watch a lot of their matches.
I have been living in Europe for 10 years, which has given me the opportunity to watch a lot of matches.
I think this season, Liverpool are playing the best football I have ever seen them play,
I adore what Brendan Rodgers is doing and think FSG are the right owners to make it come to fuition.

I think this year is going to be the most exciting Premier League campaign EVER!
There is some fabulous talent in the league and it is nicely distributed over a lot of teams.
I dont think anyone is guaranteed a top 4 finish (except perhaps Chelsea).
Form varies and circumstance can change fortunes (to take todays hot topic, imagine a drop in form from Van Persie, or an injury) - a lot will happen over the season.

I am as frustrated as the next guy about our lack of a strike force, but mistakes happen - there is nothing we can do now, and I expect it will be dealt with by the club.
But the most frustrating thing is to hear the moaning of the Liverpool fans.
If you want to do something for the club - please support it!
If you watched the Southampton - Manchester United game, you couldn't deny that the supporters were a big part of inspiring the performance level in the players.
Contrast that to Anfield, where the Gooner travelling supporters easily drowned out the megre home support.
We've hit a bit of a rut on an otherwise exciting road. Why not try and do our bit to get us out and back on track?

And for those of you asking for new owners - be careful what you wish for!

Couldn't agree more mate..Great post..

Zero

Just wait for 1 or 2 more seasons with hope that BR remains the manager. We'll be tearing the place apart!

KrishnaYNWA

Hicks and Gillette were new owners at some point.

I think you must have been living in Timbuktu for most of the rest of your life. If the last four games are the best you have ever seen LFC play:
Humped by Steve Clarke's WBA, neutralised by a Scottish team which earns less than Joe Allen does, squandered a lead with a half asleep City, and finally today being shown by Wenger what prioritised transfer signing really is about - finding talent (not vague potential that needs years to fit in a gamble all or nothing system).
You must check the tuning on your tv, you can't have been watching this seasons LFC team, they have neither a solid back four now or a forward line.. But plenty midfielders. Midfield is the new Forward. Check that subs bench today. Jmac

02 Sep 2012 20:40:35
Look to the future, BR is going to have to give Morgan & Yesil & Pacheco a look in, f**k michael own, lets find some future stars from amongst the ranks:D

02 Sep 2012 20:40:22
Fsg thanks for what you have done clearing debt clearing deadwood but you do not understand that unless we employ quality players we are not going to rise .... if you cant get us these type of players well then maybe you should own a team like Wigan... Not LFC we are better than this

Like WIGAN
Is it any wonder were not well liked
In places when you disrespect another
Club like that for no reason what so ever.
Other than you being able to have a pop
at the owners!!

Lyndon

And what makes us 'better than this'? Are man city 'better' and therefore more deserving of the millions? No. This is exactly the problem with LFC right now: fans who are more to passionate than others (which is good) bit delusionally self righteous. FSG took on a monumentous task and are going the right way about business...not taking stupid financial risks and building a base. Hopefully...it will work out.

02 Sep 2012 20:38:00
OK all you moaners and groaners, lets see who you would pick out of the squad we ACTUALLY have, no more fantasy football names, just who we have available :-

GK Reina
RB Johnson
CB Skrtel
CB Agger
LB Enrique
CM Allen
CM Sahin
CAM Suarez
RF Assaidi
LF Sterling
CF Borini

subs:- Jones,Kelly,Coates,Gerrard,Morgan

What do you think? Why didn't BR have any CF on the bench today? Schoolboy error, there was nothing on the bench today, not one single player who could change the game, 3 defenders on the bench for f**ks sake!!

You couldn't make it up. No striker option at all.
It is amateurish to the point of comedy.
Jmac

02 Sep 2012 20:32:35
Its time some sense was talked here. I said a couple of months ago that possession wasn't the problem - scoring goals is. We frequently dominated games last season and drew or lost.

I like Rodgers philosophy in theory - it is very admirable and looks lovely for a team like Swansea to play - and more often than not come up with a result. My issue is that without the technicians that can play this way then we are destined to struggle. I just can't see how the players we have are going to adapt quickly enough to this style for rogers to keep his job. Arsenal have done it for years and they still don't win anything.

Its so predictable to play against - I saw today coming a mile off. I'll wager that Man utd will counter in exactly the same way against us. We simply haven't got the players to do it. Barca struggle to score sometimes with 80 % possession- with the players they have.

Benitez was given terrible stick for his negative tactics at times but the man played the team in front of him and the situation, we now have a team set up to play one way, which is so predictable, unless I'm missing something?

We are going to get picked off all year.
Secondly -
The owners have let us down badly and we need to be wary. We received a lot of money for Torres and he has funded a lot of our business - not to mention the massively reduced price they bought the club for - I think they have massively over-estimated the strength of the playing staff when they took over.

Furthermore- surely its time to come clean about the stadium. If its not going to be possible then just tell us!!

. As it stands it look like FSG just haven't got the stomach for the task ahead.

Can someone give me a figure of how much they have invested of their own money so far? I don't see the point in investing so much but not going the whole hog and invest in the team properly.

Gazman

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

Roughly ~£450M at a guess, £350M initially and £50M each of the last 2 years.

Those figures are simply not true

02 Sep 2012 18:42:00
Eddoo1 I am in agreement with you howver I don't believe br will drop gerrard and reina. I hope I'm wrong but I believe if they were dropped they would cause huge disruption and could ultimately destroy our group. What do you think mate?

Melbourne ' {Ed001's Note - I think that Gerrard has caused enough disruption anyway.}

Gerrards arrogant great player but always arrogant hes past best sad but true

02 Sep 2012 17:44:44
Hey ed001

You mentioned earlier you wouldn't like Owen back due to a few reasons and one of them was he forced or at least had a hand in Fowler leaving the club, could you expand on this please because it isn't anything I has heard before and sounds very Interesting

Cheers vj {Ed001's Note - he would throw his toys out of the pram every time Fowler played, the club had bought Heskey to keep him happy and he seemed to think it should be Owen and Heskey as first choice. It got to the point where it was decided it would be best to move Fowler on, though Houllier and Thompson feared a fans' backlash if they sold God. Hence the quite deliberate and pathetic reason that was cooked up to get rid without losing the fans. That was why Fowler was dropped even after scoring and playing well, Owen hated playing alongside him. In my opinion, it was down to his desire to have all the glory for himself, Heskey would play for Owen's sake, Fowler would steal the limelight and was beloved of the fans. Owen was never able to get in the hearts of the fans the way Fowler did.}

02 Sep 2012 20:27:47
Like so many supporters I was really dissapointed by the performance. We seemed to be so flat and I felt it in the terraces. Clearly the manager is not happy, the players played with the belief we would never score, and the fans felt the same.

Look I get the fact we should run the club properly, we should not over spend on players and leave us in debt. But the fact remain witn each position in the prem u get money. As it stands the only money we will get is the parachute payment (tongue in cheek comment).

The reality we need a striker. From the owners to the manager if it means the free market we need to go for it.

It was flat cosve window cock up mate we all know whats required were embarrassing

02 Sep 2012 20:27:42
Ed's will we have funds to sign walcott?
also sturridge on loan? {Ed002's Note - What? You mean next year?}

Not again ! please no ! don`t start again !

02 Sep 2012 20:27:37
Looks like some mileage in the Owen rumours. May be an announcement by Wednesday next week.

Plenty of discontent all around but FSG have invested in LFC. Why should any Reds fans expect them to continually pump in more and more of their money on an indefinite basis?

Disappointed to see and hear so many Liverpool fans whining and bitching about transfer activity. If there isn't any money, there isn't any money

Lucas Barrios for me mate

Jonesred

Next Wednesday will be too late, he has to sign by tomorrow some time.

I think people just get a bit annoyed when blackburn spend £8m on one striker and we spend nothing.

Isnt the money? well come clean and stop mis leading us like did in this window

02 Sep 2012 20:25:33
All those screaming FSG out don't have a clue on how to get this club winning again... As ed002 has mentioned already sugar daddy owners who buy clubs as a hobby are few and far between. This is a proper football club, and it needs to be self sustainable. What is a new owner gonna do? Buy stars? With who's money? Where's the stars wages gonna come from? Why would he come to a club not in the champions league? Who else is he gonna be playing with that would convince him he's joing a winning team? O, that means u need more stars... More wages.. Where's that gonna come from? Bunch of fools... We'll end up bankrupt and under administration. Docked points and relegated as we do not have the infrastructure and income to spend like a champions league team while not in the champions league. The club needs to be stripped down to the core and restructured. And thats what FSG is doing. We will be a mid table club for a year or two but we will get investment from FsG. If only we get Gerrard, Carra, Reina, and Joe cole off the wage bill... That would really speed up the process. That would be about 500k per week. 24 million a year in wages. We're spending most of that on two substitutes and two players who should be benched... Lets not get sentimental. FSG NEEDS TO DO MORE SPRING CLEANING! Yes they're legends,Name a turnstile after them, name a stand after them. JUST GET THEM OFF THE WAGE BILL!! Do i get an amen eds??
YNWA THE PIRATE

You really have not got a clue. This is probably the most ridiculous post I have read this week. We all know that the club has got to be run in a sustainable way. But that doesn't mean that FSG are doing that or running the club correctly.

If they had any clue about football or they had taken the time to listen to Rogers they would have known how different his style is to Kennys. Most of the players we had will not fit this system. In short the owners had two choices - assuming they were adamant that Kenny had to be sacked . Option 1 was bring in a manager who would get better out of Kennys players. Option 2 was change the system and style completely. But this option was / is dependant upon changing the players to play this new system.

As it turns out, the owners went for neither. They sacked Kenny, went for a new system but won't back the manager to play that system. The fans have been had over, but more so BR who has obviously been lied to.

I'd agree with you completely. Part of the problem is we have a handful of under-performing players on very high wages (Gerrard and Reina), some who are adequate but still on high wages when others provide similar levels of play for cheaper (e.g. Johnson -> Kelly) and some who are not going to play much if at all but taking a pretty decent pay check (Carragher, legend, but needs to retire, and Cole, who, with Aqualani, might qualify worst use of wages ever).

For me, players that are 30+ should never get more than a 1 year contract extension, legend or not. We also need to be much smarter about our acquisitions moving forward (thankfully BR seems better at this than the previous 2 managers) and at some point you'd think we'd get lucky enough to find a player we actually sell for a profit (Torres aside, I don't think this has really happened much in the past 3 or so years?).

Let BR and FSG continue to draw down the wage bill and bring in bright young prospects who will improve in value, and perhaps we'll find ourselves in a much better position. Supporters need to understand we're not going to be buying Falcao anytime soon (if ever) and we're also not likely to be in the hunt for top 4 for a bit, but supporting the team and manager we do have could perhaps jump us up a couple of spots on the league table whereas the abuse of them will likely have the exact opposite effect. No problems with groaning and moaning on here, but please check it at the turnstiles.

I only wish we had perhaps moved on a few others earlier in the summer and maybe the window would have ended differently, but at the moment we have what we have. The owners nor BR are completely to blame for this and the reality is a right-sizing of our wage bill to turnover was badly needed and will likely continue.

On a related note, the past couple of years our turnover has been roughly £180M and wage bill in the £120M range (5th or 6th highest in the PL!) with losses of roughly £40-50M. For Ed002, since you seem to be up on the club's finances more than most, would you say that for 2012-2013 we are much closer to breaking even if not even making a small profit? I'm thinking our turnover should increase a fair bit with Europa play and the Warrior deals and our wage bill surely has to be under £100M now?

Guess I'm just trying to figure out about where we should be wage-wise optimally assuming revenue remains similar for the near future (say in the £180M-200M range). I'd guess ~£100M would be very good?

RDL

Spring cleaning?you want to rip the heart out of the team an club an sit in mid table for a couple years?i call that relagation not spring cleaning!

Utter carp.keep going this way and LFC will sink faster then already are, and you can go with it pirate

02 Sep 2012 20:14:37
I would give anything right now to find out what is going on in Suarez's head. He is just complicating things. He is certainly now that 'finisher' we need. Its just so OBVIOUS in plain-sight. I simply love his flair but he's not the one who has to play in the centre. *MOVE HIM OUT WIDE* I am going let Stevie go this time. He dint play well today but he's getting old every one knows and he did play the whole 90 mins two nights back. Sahin should MOST DEFINITELY "NOT" have started. He has to come in adjust to the playing style first. And Shelvey, who has been having a great time, must have been the starter. Allen and Sterling stood out again(no surprises there). They're simply getting better by the day. I think this Assaidi guy is going to be immense. He will provide te same pace and width as Sterling on the other wing. Hope to see him sooner rather than later.
WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR DEFENCE! It has been in shambles since the near end of last season. Our defense is going to be a liability this season! Last season we were defensively very very good till Feb. I think just behind Man City. Somethiing has to be done regarding that for sure.
We create chance after chance. For what reason! Suarez and Borini should just get their heads down and just think about putting the ball into the net. Just get into the bloody box and shoot. I think its simple enough. We just seem to complicate everything in the box. PANIC PANIC PANIC! WHY?
Just hate to say this. But we seriously have not found the replacement we needed after Torres' departure. The last 3 seasons would have panned out differently had he been here or any other player of his attribute.
NEEDED: GOALSCORER. DOT!

KrishnaYNWA

02 Sep 2012 20:13:36
Toffee in peace.

I just wanted to cast a light on your owners. I see a lot of you are saying they don't get their money out and don't have your club at heart. But back in 2010, I don't fully know the extent of your financial issues before they took over, however I know you was in major trouble and needed new owners ASAP.

Anyway, FSG took over with no knowing of what to expect. Now a lot of people could of just expected them to come in and steady your ship, however they didn't. They came in and almost straight away gave you £130m+ on new players. It just turned out for you that whoever made these transfers (Dalglish or someone else) spent too much on single players who just aren't good enough. I know that you must feel so annoyed now but, as much as I hate myself for giving you hope, you will get through it so long as you give the team, and the board gives BR, time. Any manager can do a job at any team (well, within the same area of league - basically any Prem manager can do a job at any Prem or any lower down team, apart from League 2 managers can't step up to the Prem straight away).

As an Everton fan I've had many moments within the last 10 years where we've made no signings in a window (well, no signings when we needed them for a certain place on the pitch) and our results were as poor as yours - which ended us in wanting Kenwright out and, at really low times, Moyes. However Moyes has been with us for 10 years, he knows the club inside and knows what he is doing - and we all know that Kenwright loves our club. And look at us now - a squad which can give any team in Europe a run for its money on our day, and we have just had our best window in God knows how long. And we are finally on the up again. Now we haven't turned into a club like this overnight, it has taken time (in our case quite a few years).

Just give your club time. Deadline day is over, so stop critisicing your board and keep giving your team a push. Time is of the essence. Look at your team - you've some world class players there. If you ask me, this is your first bad window in terms of spending and you and your board know you need, first off, a new striker who smashes the net 20+ times a season, so wait until January and if your board produces nothing again, then you start to show them that your want them out of your club. But you have to remember that they have given you so much money almost instantly, and they can't continue to do that window-in-window-out.

There is nothing more for me to say apart from give your team time - and I don't mean a few games - I mean a year or more. And can we please stop chatting sh*t on each other's pages, and leave the talk between us two until 27 October If you visit our page, leave a nice post or don't bother, and I'll tell my boys the same.

Thanks for the time.

Keith EFC.

Well done keith, thanks for taking the time to write such a considered post - its a pity some of our own fans don't show the same common sense about their own club. Good luck this year (apart from in the derby games of course!) - I admire your team a lot, it having been built the hard way by finding the right players on a budget and fighting to keep them once you have them. Respect.

Biscanifyoucan

Thanks Keith appreciate your comments! I wish some of the new generation red fans who want instant gratification and are already calling for heads to roll would understand this. Good luck this season except obviously against us!
Boysie-red

You are WRONG WRONG WRONG .
What is it with people - don't you understand they didn't give 100 , 110 or even 130m to spend !
At most by my reckoning they gave around 30 mil of fresh money ...tops ! The rest was just turnover from outgoings .
If only they'd injected anything like the amount you say they have .
Oh and by the way ...STILL no stadium news is there ....2 yrs and counting !

Cheers Keith. Cracking start to the season by the way!
Owen ll

Nice to see a bit of sense and agree the hate is too much in football theses days banter is one thing hate is another.... Paisley's genius

Nice 1 Keith mate.

STEVE

RED4LIFE

Thank you for talking sense

Pipe down Keith. All blues only come on this site to watch the RS implode. I can't believe how soon the Kopites turn on their team/club. Liverpool have never been this far away from being league champions in my life time. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they finish in the bottom half of the league.

Nostrawigus40

I'd just add Keith that truth be told you've got a very decent squad over there and I personally am a tad bit jealous. Moyes is a fantastic manager and has assembled a very good group without breaking the bank. Hoping to see the same thing happen over here!

Good luck to you in 33 of the remaining games!

RDL

You are wrong wrong wrong
fsg purchased the club with the players included in the price.the players are assets,fsg sold some of their assets (remember players they already paid for in the initial purchase of the club) to purchase new players.therefore directly or indirectly all the players purchased came out of fsg,s pocket

To Mr Wrong Wrong Wrong. Please shut up, go away, and come back when you understand how accountancy works.

02 Sep 2012 20:13:16
Ok after tonight's game here are my thoughts

Reina Past his best far from a poor keeper but we might want to think about getting a replacement at the end of the season the way hes going.

Suarez needs to play on the wing Borini upfront I hope thats the problem otherwise Borini doesnt look like a good signing.

Time for gerrard to sit on the bench

Johnson had a good game

Sahin looked ok nothing special but was his debut lovely bit of skill near the end

Sterling gr8 potential and a good player but dont think hes good enough yet to be starting agaisnt one our main rivals

Shelvey should def start more games

And i dont think we should panic and pick up a free signing untill we see what yesil and assauidi are capable of otherwise I would love to see Barrios or drogba (sorry eds but hes a gr8 player regardless of his wages)

I dont think we should panic at all 1st half played very well 2nd half not so much

I think the Owners are very good but would like to see Ayre fired tbh and update on stadium.

Agree with almost everything you said except for Sterling. I do think he is good enough to start against top teams and especially so when there is so little by way of alternative.

Sterling was the bright light imo

Sterling's gd no question but its a lot to ask for sterling to be playing regularly no would love to see him play like 10-15 games but playing against city an arsenal I find odd

02 Sep 2012 20:11:05
look,doom merchants,you of little faith,i am a liverpool supporter till i die,ok so they are not the reds of years ago,they are still liverpool and me for one will support them through good and bad,it will take time,so give them time,they lost a match and had a bad day,every team goes through a bad patch,even barca,who's to say this team wont just click,give them a chance

02 Sep 2012 20:10:38
Although I gather from various sources and Ed's that it is unlikely to sign a free agent, any chance anyone could make a list of all the free agent strikers that are available... just so we have something to talk about for the next 3 months....

Smirky. {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

02 Sep 2012 20:08:19
Any chance of del piero?

He's in Sydney FC Australia now

02 Sep 2012 20:06:20
Hi Eds was just checking out the players who are free transfers and spotted that Alessandro Del Piero was a free transfer at the end of the season is he still on the free agent list or has he joined another club yet ? Oh btw fantastic website keep up the good work, checked it everyday and ran smoothly! {Ed002's Note - He is a free agent.}

Out of all the free agents being banded around he would be the least embarrassing

I thought he'd joined Sydney, though I may be wrong! {Ed001's Note - they announced it a bit soon (a bit like Genk with Suso too as it turns out!), he hasn't made up his mind yet.}

02 Sep 2012 20:05:46
I think the fact that we did not sign any strikers the other day left the players a bit flat ie Gerrard and Suarez. Carroll going to west ham made them give 20% extra yesterday but with us there was 20% less.. no excuse but i'm sure that's what happened.
Hopefully the buzz around the place will return in a few weeks. Keep the faith Kopites!

RobJ

I think you are right. The dissapointment of the transfer window was a bit of a kick in the gut and they need to recover their enthusiasm.
Having said that, those 20% could have been recovered through encouragement from the fans rather than this endless moaning we seem to be getting.

02 Sep 2012 20:03:46
hi eds all reds firstly another thank you to the eds for all their hard work during the window. as for today , what a difference a week makes!! the performance today , especially the second half , was no where near that of against man city. whats gone wrong? im sure one thing is that , and for a long time we couldnt say this , the strentgh we had in the squad and in particular the bench , wasnt there , that added security has gone , and more importantly , the challenge for places diminished again!! what on earth were they thinking about , letting a main forward go and not being prepared to go all out for a replacement?!! ive heard sturridge didnt want a loan , we didnt want to buy him , so thats him , dempsey , openly states he wants to come to liverpool , but we wont go to the price , as i understand it , villa was quoted , 7 million i think , yes he went to spurs for 6million , but that was hours later and fulham were in danger of being left with a player who refused to play for them!! and there mustve been others. it boils down to lack of preperation and having things in place in advance!! we arent in the posistion we once were , when the old quote used to be" hed crawl up the m6 to play for lfc!!". as for dempsey , i was calling for him to be signed 12 months ago. as for what we"ve got , why oh why are suarez and borini being played inside out again?!! i said the same last week and the week before! suarez is not a goal poacher and borini is not a wide player!! please br swap them round!! as for gerrard , either he plays deeper in midfield or he plays up top , i really dont think he can hack 90 mins in that posistion anymore. time catches up with all of us , even the best!! finally if we need free agents to give us a bit of extra cover , even m owen , then so be it , whatever is best for our great club. so come on redmen , whatever decsions are made , back them , it all sounded very quiet again today , i couldent get a ticket , but those lucky enough to be there need to make more noise , sorry about the long one , just so desperate for us to suceed!! godbess96 and shanks steviep62.

Cheeky g t make more noise?? Watching that s ite?!

02 Sep 2012 20:00:44
I have backed FSG until last night, and have always been against all the negative posts on here, but after last night I have to say I am very unhappy with how they have conducted themselves, I agree that we have to cut our spending and commend FSG for that, but after the last 24hrs I have to say we have have let BR and the rest of the team down. How inept are FSG, firstly they get DC and KK and throw over 100 million at them, WTF, (I said it at time). I really hope that I am wrong and FSG will pull us out of this S**T, but they let us all down big time last night. How could they let all the strikers leave and not replace them??.........MONEY........they know f**k all!!
DBDako

First of all. Kenny D didn't actually spend anything. Remember all the players he cleaned out !.

Yes an overspend on transfer fees for players who didn't deserve such a price tag, did lead to some higher expectations, but if you can't expect to win a game, what are you doing in football (or any other sport).

Since FSG doesn't look to be directly involved in the running of the club, I think the finger needs to be pointed severly at the lunatics who seems to have taken over the asylum.

02 Sep 2012 19:58:24
Just seen Michael Owen in sports direct in Speke retail trying to buy some new shin guards, was saying he'd left all his old ones at uniteds training ground and needed a pair urgently "for a big day tomorow".

Sharpshooter

Yeath, Owen is going to play Rugby at Stoke.

Amount of time he's injured he'd be better off getting a suit of armor.

02 Sep 2012 19:55:47
Crazy but could it be true?

1. FSG announce plans for re-development of Anfield. Upgrades include a pitch that tilts depending on which goal the team are kicking towards, goalposts that move to make the net bigger when Suarez shoots/heads the ball and recordings of the Stoke crowd doing bad Scouse impressions.

2. John Henry attends the Man Utd game in a beatles wig, tache and shellsuit and takes to the pitch to ask everyone to calm down as his giro clears in January.

3 Borini confesses he is actually a Italian model who used to appear in GQ and is part of a recruitment policy that has seen Spearing, Adam and kuyt leave and him, Sahin and Allen join, all as a ploy to get US housewives watching. He later tweets that Ali Dia put him up to it.

4. Brendan Rodgers is a big Muhammed Ali fan and a chapter in his 180 page dossier describes how he wants to utilise the "rope-a-dope" as a valid football tactic. Having convinced Reina, Skrtel, Agger and Gerrard to adopt this in past 3 games he now tells them to switch back. Sir Alex has to be taken to hospital after swallowing his gum after seeing Stevie cannon a 35 yarder into top corner at Kop End and Reina pull off two penalty saves, the second whilst blindfolded. In the same game Skrtel gives Vidic a chinese burn until he admits Skrtel's the hardest defender around.

Ah well ... if only.

Keep believing, keep supporting your team.

YNWA

D 2308

Ah man thats the best post of the week,nearly fell down laughing with images of skrtel givin vidic the chinese burn,have not heard of them since i was in school,mega!

Thanks mate, needed that.

Lee YNWA

02 Sep 2012 19:51:18
Rodgers will be sacked by xmas. He deserves it too for getting rid of andy so quickly.

Utter cretin ...what are you 9 yrs old or maybe a closet spurs fan ?

02 Sep 2012 19:51:09
The mere utterance of 'FSG' or 'Ian Ayre' may ruffle a few feathers of Liverpool fans after the recent happenings (or lack of) at Anfield, but are they really at fault for Liverpool's lack of purchases as the transfer window drew to a pulsating crescendo on Friday.

On a day when Liverpool's closest challengers strengthened, Liverpool arguably, weakened. The departures of the surplus Charlie Adam, Jay Spearing and Nathan Eccleston on Friday, marginally pleased Reds fans, who, after beginning deadline day in an expectant and optimistic frame of mind, ended with the common bitter taste in the mouth. Clint Dempsey's late and unexpected switch to Tottenham Hotspur compounded yet another miserable deadline day for Liverpool, who failed to secure a craved striker.

Whatever is said from now in this article is neither fact nor fiction; it is from the eyes of a Liverpool supporter who is trying to identify the reason why FSG failed to flex their financial muscle when 'their man' yearned for it the most.

Like many other football club owners, Fenway Sports Group endeavor to not throw away their fortune willy-nilly. John W Henry and his consortium saved Liverpool Football Club from inexplicable administration and potential liquidation. With the clubs immediate future resolved sufficiently, FSG subordinated the debt and now Liverpool are said to have the lowest debt of any side in the Premier League.

At the end of the day, Fenway Sports Group and those who run the company, are businessmen. Liverpool Football Club to them is not the same as it is to fans, players and manager. Liverpool Football Club is a way of life to many, but alas, just a sheer 'business' to them. Despite them having the same ideal as fans and coaches - 'to build the club into a bastion of invincibility' as Bill Shankly once said - though the path to the ideal is not shared by fans and owners. Of course, supporters would love for their club to have fortunes and fortunes to spend on players, Chelsea and Manchester City are just a couple of evident examples, but the fact of the matter is, FSG do not have those resources - Boston Red Sox have the fourth highest wage bill in the MLB, equally FSG have been trying to cut that down too.

Understandably yet frustratingly, they plan on building Liverpool Football Club into the greatest club in the world, via the means of sustainability. The idea that FSG can own the club, yet take a self-assured step back and watch on as Liverpool sustains itself, rather than relying on our American owners, restricted and inadequate funds.

The root cause of Liverpool's financial incapability traces back (dare I say it) to Hicks and Gillett. After riddling the club with an outstanding amount of debt, their humiliating exit from Anfield was not to be without controversy. Then named New England Sports Ventures, took over in Merseyside in 2010 after agreeing, in written undertakings, that they will not saddle the club with debt, much like their fellow American predecessors. So it seems the plan all along, FSG were always intent on making Liverpool Football Club a fruitful yet convincingly sustainable business. The money and financial strings need to be straightened before FSG can settle on making Liverpool great on the pitch once again.

So, what is sustainable, and why?

In footballing terms: the influx and the blooding of young players become paramount. Rodgers has already claimed that "if your good enough, your old enough" - as proved after his bold selection of 17 year old Raheem Sterling against Manchester City. Perceptibly cheaper and perhaps more effective, the inclusion of Liverpool's academy stars is the first step in building a successful team in the future as well as reducing costs on funding expensive and occasionally risky transfers of players from abroad.

Alongside the introduction of homegrown players, sponsorship money can prove to be integral. Quickly quashed murmurs of renaming Anfield flew around when FSG took charge and despite the cynicism about switching from and iconic name such as 'Anfield' to something probably less simple and straightforward like 'The GlaxoSmithKline Arena' - stupid I know, but an example. Arsenal are said to earn a huge £100m for the naming of their ground: Emirates. I know what I'd prefer if we had that money coming in for our ground.

Skepticism at this point in proceedings is more than understandable. Brendan Rodgers compiled a 180 page document, highlighting and identifying the very things that will make Liverpool Football Club successful again. The mark of a determined, positive and indomitable coach; I severely doubt that those 180 pages were a propos that Liverpool needed to spend on Friday or the 'long term project' is a failure - the document entails the keys of success for the next five, ten years, not August 31st 2012.

What evidence is there to support sustainability? German Bundesliga champions Borussia Dortmund are a prime example.

Jurgen Klopp's youthful and exuberant side are born out of administration threats and driven to the brink of bankruptcy in 2005; a chequered recent history shared with Liverpool. By means of exceptional discipline and bustling sustainability, Borussia Dortmund are now one of the best teams in Germany, regular Champions League challengers and enjoy the highest average attendance of any side in Europe (80,478).

How?

By reducing a bloated wage bill, promoting youth from within and a questionable point that I have already alluded to; the renaming of the stadium. Jurgen Klopp's appointment at the helm of Dortmund was questioned, as to, was his young and vibrant roster for the 2011-2012 season; a youthful yet exciting squad born from the clubs academy or bought with minimal fees. Klopp's reign began under a newly appointed management team - intent of reducing the clubs costs and boosting the clubs commercial activity - similar to that of FSG.

Jurgen Klopp made the switch to Dortmund from Mainz after leading the latter into the Bundesliga for the first time (anybody finding comparisons to Brendan Rodgers?). He was considering a rising talent in the world of management; bold, progressive and wise (anything?!). He planned to buy young, hungry players on the cheap (right, surely there must be something?), this is the fundamental idea of sustainability ON the pitch: buy young, blossoming players, improve them and sell on for a resounding profit. The idea that Klopp targeted 'cheap' players could be a cover that Dortmund's owners had little funds at the time, but it wasn't - it was, however, the 'long term project', which begs the question: is Liverpool following the Dortmund blueprint?

After three years at the renamed, Signal Iduna Park, Klopp lead Dortmund from 13th to champions. Following successfully reducing the clubs wavering debts, the side that achieved Klopp's first title in Germany cost a mere £5m to piece together. Germany awoke the idea of sustainability, maybe England and FSG are beginning to comprehend that this is the way forward.

Mario Goetze, Shinji Kagawa, Robert Lewandowski, Lucas Barrios, Mats Hummels and currently Liverpool's Nuri Sahin blossomed in Dortmund, and due to their miraculous sustainable growth, the resultant success was the lure for them to remain there until a major team or a big money offer came coming; then Dortmund's officials would rubs their hands together, chuckle and share a drink as they know their hard work has and is paying off.

Back in 2005 when the club was on the brink of going out of business, I qualm that many Dortmund fans believed that their club would rule the country as well as leading the way in sustainable growth and be a blueprint in self-sufficiency. It means slower, more complete augmentation as opposed to aggressive 'Galactico' projects at Manchester City, Chelsea and the likes. It means not doing what we want, but doing what is right; building and supporting the club for a prosperous future.

Nice piece, thank-you for your time. Ernie.

What a load of crap.

Fair points made there friend it is a shame that Dortmund had to sell some of these players though but maybe they have more young players coming through,sensible post though... Paisley's genius

Very well written piece and actually a great read if a little 'rose tinted'. Having said that with the financial fair play coming in I completely agree. Sustainability is how all clubs will have to go. Let's hope we are stealing a march!

Wow intelligent and articulate. Made me think maybe I've been too impatient and need to get behind the project and give BR some time. However I still think Ayres has to go. Post of the year.

I hope others take time to read this, while what happened on Friday left most including myself down hearted there is a bigger picture to be seen here, and before we point the finger of blame do think who it should be pointed at, Rogers no this wasn't his doing, the owners maybe but it seems strange given the investment made, I'm sure the truth will out but let's do what's important and support the team

Well said, I hope you are right. FSG has followed a similar path with the Red Sox. Building a strong youth farm team (baseball equivalent to academy). then utilizing those young players either on the field or as trade bait for more established stars. It might take a few years but hopefully we are on the right track. Just a shame we didn't get more "bargains" recently with the troubles in Spain Greece and Rangers. would have hoped there were players to pick off.

Ian stop posting on rumour page's mate .

LB

What a load of....

brilliance! Truly marvellous piece, my friend. I completely agree.. with this manager we will definitely kick on in a few years. This kind of youthful system will take years to master and I am certain we will challenge in the coming years..

BthekingB

02 Sep 2012 19:50:03
FSG OUT YOUR NOT WANTED

All caps.

No punctuation.

Incorrect use of "your".

This is the intellectual level of fans who want FSG out.

- Something Red -

Damn right FSG OUT VENKY'S IN!

02 Sep 2012 19:49:17
FSG should have bought another club. They clearly do not have the money for a club like liverpool. Henry is deluded if he thinks this squad will get anywhere near top 4. I think we will finish 11.

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

02 Sep 2012 19:18:26
Eds am I right in saying if we do sign a free agent it has to be before Tuesday in order to register in the 25 man squad?

PD6 {Ed002's Note - No.}

02 Sep 2012 19:37:51
It's not the lack of goals we are scoring ,but the the amount we are shipping!

Last year we finished 8th in the table,scoring only 47 goals. Which was 1 more than Bolton and 1 less than Blackburn,who both went down!

Yet we had the 3rd best defence in the EPL,conceding 40,with only the 2 mank teams with a better record.the fact that our defence has been penetrated 7times in 3games is the big problem,that should be addressed now!

The transfer window is now closed,and it has left us very light up front,but we still have the same back 4,and keeper as we did last year.
Yes LUcas is a massive loss to the defensive structure of the team,but Rodgers needs to focus on this problem untill January,when the transfer window opens again.

Redman

02 Sep 2012 19:37:27
Hi Ed's I've look but can't seem to find any free agent ST?

Deve {Ed002's Note - tinyurl.com/c8vbkqd }

02 Sep 2012 19:35:06
with such a thin squad we have to go out of europe and league cup and focus all efforts on prem this is beyond laughable now we have to get some dignity back into the club via results . 4 competitions is too much and internationals as well . perhaps this season will be the opposite of all recent seasons where we struggle against top teams but beat the minnows .the coming months will find out if br is up to it with big decisions he has to make. the first thing is to stop the rot of getting beat it becomes a habit . we have to beef up by going 3-5-2 this could solve a lot of problems i.e suarez has a partner and full backs can push on and 3 tight in midfield .lets get back to being harder to beat we have to walk first before we run. chelsea were wide open against atletico same for us today also chelsea had 60 percent possesion no good for us at the moment playing 4-3-3 were wide open without lucas.

alan waddle

02 Sep 2012 19:46:31
Eds people on here are actually insane? They think we're going to get relegated because we lost to arsenal? Whaaaat?!? I think we out classed them in the first half if we had a clinical finisher it may hae been different.. That ain't BRs fault either.. I dunno how the eds read through the most ludricous posts I've ever seen! I'll give it to you guys I struggle to read the ones that actually manage to get posted

Madness!

If you think we outclassed Arsenal today then ironically your post is one of the ludicrous posts you complain about.

FT

FT, he never said we outclassed them today just the first half. Now to be fair I don't agree either I thought the first half was pretty even, we had more chances but they had the better chances. They won the game in the second half by being more clinical and being solid in defence. We didn't get battered today, we created more than enough chances to win today, 25 shots on goal. We just need to be more clinical in front of goal ourselves. The season isn't over we are only 3 games in!
Scousekew

02 Sep 2012 19:42:30
Can someone do some sort of report of finances at lfc because sponsor money is astronomical low wages now would be interested in how much money yanks are creaming {Ed002's Note - You are an idiot - they are losing money keeping the club running.}

What an absolute fool!!! It people like you that are 'The joke'.

Well said ed , eh ed is ot possible for liverpool to make a profit without champions league football? if we keep adding to our sponsorship deas? {Ed002's Note - Well if significant sponsorship money came in for naming rights for example, that would obviously help.}

Ed002's Can you put that statement into facts,how the club is running at a loss.

Fsg paid the debt off,in doing so saving approx 35mill a year in interest,reduced the size of squad and players wages.
Now how the best sponsorship deal we have ever had,attendances have not fallen

alan50 {Ed002's Note - Look at the accounts for 10-11 - they show a £50M loss. Income was down again last season and there will be another £50M loss. This is not a secret at all.}

Warrior standard charter Turkish airlines Chevrolet and others they might have been losing money but 24 mill off the wage billThis coming season that's why I asked {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has been losing money to the extent of about £1M per week since FSG took over. This year it should be less.}

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

Does that mean by the end of the season we would only be losing half of that 50 million a year , so 26 million we will be losing this coming season , unless we buy in jan .

LB {Ed002's Note - Much would depend on the spending on transfers and income in January.}

I may be being naive here, but wasn't the 50M loss in the 2010-2011 season related to the HKS project and the paying off of Roy Hodgson. Also, the season 2011-2012 saw FSG spend astronomical fees in the transfers of the players we have (or tried to) get rid of this summer.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the club is running at a loss, and this may be the case for some time. Also I believe, given time (seemingly increasingly unlikely) FSG will turn us into a self-sustaining club.

I guess my question is, given the huge reduction in wages, the less (still a lot by anyones standards) money spent in the transfer market, won't we be a lot closer to breaking even for this financial year?

Cheers in advance

oseans {Ed002's Note - Subject to the spending and income in January, less of a loss, yes.}

02 Sep 2012 19:41:10
I'm 32 years old and was a season ticket holder up untill 3 years ago. I used to be literally nuts with Liverpool, home and away and when I could afford it Europe. I grew up, had a son who is now the be all and end all for me. Football is not everything, threatening people is disgusting.its a game at the end of the day. Grow up, get a life, go get laid, just do something else. I'm as disappointed as anyone but there are other ways of showing displeasure. Threats are not it
Tommy.

02 Sep 2012 19:26:18
Stop having a go at Reina yes he hasn't been at his best but he's probably pisssed off with the lies from each of boards he's been under, what he needs is our support and his confidence will return. He does make mistakes as all keepers do just not having luck and some of our defending hasn't helped. In fact nearly every player is making mistakes which are costing us but let's back them and give them encouragement. The blame lies with the owners. They are business men, they didn't buy Liverpool for the love of it. If we are to get into the top four we have to buy big players as Chelsea and city have done and spurs are doing. Only oil money will restore us to the top now. Mrt

Reina shouldn't be pissed off. He should be doing the job he's being paid very highly to do.........and he's not !

And you I suppose after being told yr gonna get a promotion at work and it was given to someone else would be working your but off

02 Sep 2012 19:23:40
it is actually amazing how ****e downing is! no tactical awareness at all. no urgency to get the ball forward. he just let cazorla drift into space for the second goal. And when he is in a dangerous position, hes that stupid that he would pass instead of shooting at an empty goal.

He wouldnt even get into Wigan's team! What the hell was kenny thinking when going for him, and as for the people who offered 20 million, as opposed to his real worth of 20 quid, I hope they are not at the club anymore!.

Hounsred

02 Sep 2012 19:22:50
Carroll can come back in January according to BR.

02 Sep 2012 19:30:19
3 words for FSG and Ian Ayre... Van Persie, PRICELESS.

A very VERY pissed off Liverpool supporter.

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

02 Sep 2012 19:30:00
i get that on the list of which clubs spent the most this window we are 10th in the world, but our outgoings and saved wages supported most of the costs around 75% surely.

wages saved where around £450k pw
= £21.6m that covers £15m for Allen fee and £2m signing on fee.

leaving £5.6m, which off that £5m covers sahin's move completely; being fee's to Madrid and 70% salary.

600k + Adam £4m = 4.6m

£2.4m paid for Assaidi

leaving £2.2m + £1.5m for carroll loan and about £1.5m for spearing loan + Ecclestone sale = £5.2m

Borini cost £9.5m, plus £2m in signing on fee and agent fees = £12.5m

12.5m - 5.2m = £7.3m

take away kuyt sale which was about 800k

= £6.5m + the salaries of Borini, Allen and Assaidi (110k between them) is all that we spent this summer.

= roughly £12m to £15m

that is around £15m less than what we "reportedly" had to spend this summer.

which is why Rodger's though he had the funds to buy and let Carroll leave to make hoe much he had to spend more.

Oh! No another Business Expert!

I'm surprised the Dole figures are as big as they are!!

Lyndon

02 Sep 2012 19:29:20
hey eds...

quick question...........

did suarez play as a three upfront for ajax and uruguay?/ co if he did.......is there any particular reason he is less potent for liverpool?

red onion

Dirk kuyt was prolific in holland, but the prem was harder for him hence moved to wide right, maybe thats where suarez will end up
wardie

02 Sep 2012 19:22:48
The reality of the situation is that FSG are just not ready to own any football club in the Premiership, never mind a high maintenance club like Liverpool.

They need to accept that this pairing is now incompatible. FSG can't make enough profit from Liverpool and Liverpool can't compete under FSG, and the way things stand now, its only a matter of time before everything turns as nasty as it while H&G we at the club, its nobody's fault this time, but unfortunately there can be no workaround between FSG's investment limitations and Liverpool FC's need to compete.

There only solution is a parting of the ways, and hopefully as amicable as possible because FSG will always have my thanks for saving our club from administration. I would like to see FSG recoup their investment and Liverpool with owners that are rich enough to fund the club's competitive growth. Just praying it doesn't turn nasty though.

Cris {Ed052's Note - This seems a good post to have my rant on;

I am getting reall posse off with so called Liverpool fans at the minute. We have just lost to a team that always gets champions league, and regularly challenge for the title. We only had a bad 45 minute. We controlled the match and they hit us in the counter twice. We have plenty of players and lots I great youth that we can bring through.�

Why would we sack the manager. That I ridiculous. We have played 3 games and would only have expected to win 1. We haven't yet, but we almost did in the game we didn't expect to.�

Are you all forgetting about Europe too? �We have win 3/4 games in Europe and have qualified with ease

If it wasn't de to Rodgers we wouldn't have seen any of the youngsters play. We wouldn't have seen sterling get a chance.�

Why do you all want KD back. He has got us into this situation!! �He wanted money and most of the players he signed have or will e sold as they are not good enough.�

Why do you all want Ansy back. I though you all liked to play football. If you like long ball footie then support Wrst Ham.�

The owners are great, why are you having a go at them? �If it hadn't been for them we would have played Accrobgton Stanley this weekend and not Arsmeal.�

To conclude may rant, if you don't support us when we lose draw, or go through a rough patch, then you can p*ss off when we do well!!}

Spot on ed

Bob

We may lose we may draw but we allways will support lfc , but i would also suggest if you dont like peoples comments and respect their right to voice them perhaps you should pxss off to another site.
everybody has their own right to their views just because you dont agree with them doesnt mean you have to tell us all to pxss off and doesnt mean you are more passionate about the club than us, stop being so arrogant and have somehting decent input for a change instead of all the abnoxious comments you leave!
post this but then again you probably wont because you are like you imply the only true liverpool fan and of course are allways right
andy3151

Here! Here! .. and what many forget is that FSG are trying to turn us into a profitable business. Under the new fair play rules we can only spend what we earn. Can't do much if we aren't earning anything and making a loss. The books have to be balanced somehow if we are to have a future. Short term it will be painful and sadly would be less so if Kenny hadn't blown it. This is our austerity package. I think its not too bad considering the damage inflicted on our club over the years.

Not sure what happened with Dempsey though.. somebody obviously f***ed up or Fulham refused to sell. Doesn't matter now. Upset but moving on.

irishsimson.

Good old ed altho i gotta disagree on saying we qualified europe easily far from it

Terrible timing for the rant Ed, the OP wasn't even having a pop at anyone

About time you let it all out Ed, good on you, you are human after all.

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

Ed 52 I totally agree with you mate. I would like to expand on that as well we don't get any luck at all we could of had one or two pens today on any given day. Also any little mistake we make seems to end in us conceding. We are playing some good stuff but Sunderland is massive to get a result.

Mighty reds {Ed052's Note -People say you make your own luck, but I think, if we had got the pen vs Arsenal, Strtel didnt make that mistake and Suarez score vs West Brom, we could have been top on 9 pooints. We are very close from clicking. I actually think that we could go straight from losing to winning big.}

Very well said Ed052, that has to be the best response i have read on here to one of many many foolish post's lately. I'm just glad to see there's a few poster's left on here with appreciation knowledge and the gift of not throwing a childish tantrum when thing's don't go our way, there will be ups an downs for us this season, keep the faith support the team an manager, and together as the LFC family we WILL get through this blip..

STEVE

RED4LIFE {Ed052's Note - Cheers mate. We will get through it, and it wont even take that long. COme the end of the seaopsn I can see us sitting top 4, quite easily}

02 Sep 2012 19:19:45
God help us!! And I don't mean Robbie Fowler!
Where are our goals going to come from? Suarez needs at least 15 goes to even think about the net! Borini......10 million.....Sorry was just pissing my pants...... Hang on let's sell Carroll, Kuyt and Bellamy and not replace anybody!!! Oh joy what a stroke of genius!!
PLease tell me passing through midfield to .....nobody will work!!
BR slated Downing but looked 10 times the player of Borini!! So Downing worth 60 million!! Good sell on in January!!
HELP!!!!!!!

02 Sep 2012 19:19:39
yet again gerrard was disgraceful

majestic69

Totally agree, he's passed it and was at fault for the first goal even if his pal Redknapp wanted to blame Johnson

02 Sep 2012 19:18:37
A manager once said "I would be nuts to let andy go out on loan" So now this has happened surely he must have been promised a replacement pointing out that the transfer dealings were a cock up at boardroom level

02 Sep 2012 18:57:25
{Ed002's Note - I agree pretty much with all of this. I remain surprised that anyone thinks Martin Broughton put his support of Chelsea ahead of the business with Liverpool. However, the examples of Manchester City and Chelsea are pretty extreme - and owners with the wealth of Manchester City's or the interest in the game of Mr Abramovich are few and far between. Not getting value in the transfer market in terms of fees is a blight of over-paying English clubs. Not getting value in terms of players is the responsibility of those who make the decisions - Benitez, Dalglish, Comolli, Rodgers et al.}

Sorry Ed002, Enlighten me regarding this. Benitez is way before FSG era. Kenny was forced by fans as u say and FSG obliged to it which shows lack of leadership and decision making there. well who appointed Comolli, I am sure none of us wished for it or didn't even expected that. They say DOF is the way forward when no other club followed it. Then they abandoned the idea and hired their own man in Rodgers and now he is at fault too. Well who appointed him. Its not us. If the people u mentioned are proved to be inept in market then one has to question the decision making of owners who appointed them in the first place. I don't understand your support for them except that u r from US. Its been nearly 2 years since they took over and 4 transfer windows have come and gone and dare i say we are in exact same position on the field (not off the field) in terms of squad strength and quality. Then there is stadium issue. I remember they told us it to be resolved soon and 2 years of waiting is not "soon". I also remembered these words from Mr.Werner "we have resources to compete against anyone in this world". If that is not money and he is referring to squad, then he must be either the biggest liar or biggest delusional jack ass in this world. If ManU fans with all their recent success and trophies have a case to complain and protest against their owners, then we have every right in this world at the very least question their motivation in making LFC the very best in the world in their own words.

U say its not the owners not to blame, and previous managers and even current managers with their choice of players in market. Well if u give them a strict budget what are they going to choose and why did you hire them if they are not apt enough. Then u even say why not support managers and players. Then who is really to blame for all this fiasco for 20 years and especially last 4 years.

If the club is really in trouble financially or just out of its depth comparing to other clubs, they can just come out speak the truth and we will slowly try to stomach it. But why give false promises all this best in the world nonsense and get our hopes high. They fired Comilli and Kenny because fans are not happy with the results, then we are certainly not happy with the way owners are doing their business and Ed002 U said they don't deserve fans like us, well we support LFC and strive for its success, not the FSG or anyone associated to it. Fellow fans stop saying they saved us when the club is on its knees. Many parties bid to buy us and they are the winning bid. That is it, stop this saving nonsense, they would not have bought us if we went to administration which suggested they played safe and their intention is not to save us.

AJ

{Ed002's Note - What came before (H&G, Benitez, Hodson) all had an aggect on the new owners. Who paid uo the last year of El Zhar's £60k per week contract? How paid up Degen's £65k per week contract? Who paid Poulsen's wages util this summer? Who is contributing 1.7M euros for each of the next two seasons to boost Aquilan's wages? Who paid most of Joe Cole's wages at Lille?

As for support, who has made up the £50M losses for the past two years. Who funded the nine highest world-wide spending this season?

You need to understand that FSG are an investment company. You may desire a Manchester City style sugar-daddy but that option is not available. Their efforts to put things right and make the club self-sufficient is fast being destroyed by the fans. Comolli took a hit because of the results. The events of December 21 last year did for Dalglish as much as the results.}

Good post you are so right football is no longer a passion its just a question as to who spends the most. Man City have shown how much it costs to win the league .Man Utd to win in Europe along with Chelski. The losers are the fans .Its all about money but at least Liverpool can say thay won all their trophies fairly.

Fast being destroyed by the fans? Get real. It's the supporters who make the club. It's not the fans fault that FSG have made a pretty big pigs ear of a lot of things. Maybe they did have good intentions, or maybe they have been putting a good PR face on asset stripping, I don't know, but they have made a lot of stupid mistakes that fall below acceptable. In no way is Liverpool currently being 'well run', no matter how rose tinted your glasses are. {Ed002's Note - "Asset stripping"? You truly have no idea at all.}

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

02 Sep 2012 19:15:48
C'mon guys it is not like we have just been murdered 4-0 by Southend! Arsenal are a very good side with a system they have been playing now for as long as I can remember. Never any shame losing to them.

We are going to be very hit and miss at times this season while we try to implement our new brand of football and I for one expect a few more afternoons like this.

I didn't think we were that bad but again simple errors have cost us dear. Gerrard again was poor and his misplaced 2 yard pass put us in trouble from a promising position and we concede a goal. I have no idea what has happened to Reina but he has been so poor for the last year or so it is untrue!

Obviously I would have loved a proper striker in the window but it was not to be but hopefully this can be put right in Jan. This is a long term project so we need to be patient guys. We will look much better up top with each passing game (pardon the pun) as the players get more comfortable with the system, their movement and get more confident with each other.

Thanks

Davey

What a load of rubbish you are no relation to brenda r u by january we will be bottom of the league who will want to go to liverpool then we will not be able to sell players what will the asset strippers do then sell what they can and run thats what type of people FSG are but people like you can,t see it

02 Sep 2012 19:15:07
Arsenal fan with a liverpool fan as a gf. awkard day i feel for you guys man rubbishty last week man u coming up. poor transfer window. carroll could of change the game if was still with you today. but you only have one game plan with a very weak bench

And a even weaker forward line with the weakest manager in Enlish league

02 Sep 2012 19:14:35
not rumour sorry edds just a thought. Not the best of starts in the last 50 years haha. But we need to be sensible and stand by br. I dont think he has any other choice but to bring back owen. Bench today had no attacking options in my eyes.

Please forget owen, waste of time,always injured,greedy,burnt too many bridges etc.
time for morgan, throw him in, lets see what he`s got
good enough,old enough

wardie

02 Sep 2012 19:11:34
I said a while back that we as fans need to start blaming the players and after witnessing that I think more than ever I was right, there's nothing wrong with the way Rodgers has the team playing, it's individual errors that are costing us. If we can cut out the mistakes then the rest will take care of it's self. Gerrard and Suarez were both hopeless today and in my opinion were both to blame more than anyone, I lost count the number of times they gave the ball away. Today was a total embarrassment, I can accept getting beat but it's the manner in which we were taken apart by an average Arsenal side who have so far struggled until they met us. If the so-called professional footballers don't get their act together and I mean fast then we're going to have a big shock this season.

"Average" arsenal side?!?!?! so average that they finished 3rd over the course of 38 matches and were actually playing champions league football?!?! how can you call them average in comparison to Liverpool...?? such a confusing statement

Scooby Dooby K

They were 3rd with Van Persie and Song, take away their goals and assists and they would've been average.

02 Sep 2012 19:11:21
I am not going to slate the way brendon wants liverpool to play, and he will get time so no point trying to argue the point. My real concern is our captain has again been poor, can the real STEVEN GERRARD please stand up. Only then can we improve our situation.

Topman dave

There are 10 other players beside gerrard who has carried Liverpool for years know u dont like it u pick on GERRARD nut case

I would like to see you guys if Stevie gets injured all will be moaning like hell is he the only one in the team we can depend on what about the other 15

Steven gerrard has been poor and he is our captain, yes we depend on him so we expect more. He has been our main player for years, but no point lookin at the past otherwise we might get kenny to manage and give him 100 million to blow, dont want to be an inmate at ur asylym

02 Sep 2012 19:10:46
I like everyone else agree that Stevie G has been below par so far this season, i know it is early doors yet but I dont think he can play BRs system. Stevie loves to pick up the ball and ping 30 to 40 yard passes instead of quick 1 or 2 touch football and we can all see that it will take him time to adapt. I think he should be dropped for a few games and see how Shelvey does, maybe even bring him on as a forward, he was awesome when he played there with Torres a few seasons ago and i think he could do a job til January. Lucas, Allen and Sahin will eventually be the 3 midfielders with Shelvey as cover. Does anyone know why Morgan or Assaidi were not named on the bench? Naming 4 defenders was a bit stupid imo

Ratty888

The reason why BR put a bench load of defenders was to make a statement to Ian Ayre and FSG that they messed up big time on Friday. Left us with a weaker squad than before. {Ed002's Note - That would make him entirely unprofesssional - which he isn't.}

Did you say gerrard cant play brendens way or WONT play brendens way he doesnt like being told what to do thats his problem

Because thats the way rodgers wants to play his game

02 Sep 2012 19:09:24
Amid all the gloom Joe Allen and Raheem Sterling were excellent {Ed052's Note - why the doom and gloom. A bad 45 mjnutes doesnt mean we've been relegated!!}

You're right Ed, a bad 45 minutes doesn't warrant all this doom and gloom...problem is...it ain't just been a bad 45 minutes...it's been a bad 45 minutes tacked onto a bad two games to kick off this season ('bad' defined as not getting results)...tacked onto a pathetic second half of last season...tacked onto a horrible last season overall...tacked onto a very sub-par bunch of seasons in succession over the last few years

...you're right though, other than that everything is fine and there's no cause for doom and gloom.

Red (Not Blue) Lenses

But it will not stop us from getting reagated were do u get your bad 45 mins from more like 87 mins donky

Ed you were poor today against a arsenal team stuggling to find goals but did against u so what does that say stop defending the indefencefull you are awfull up the gunners {Ed002's Note - I didn't play today.}

No but that bad 45 minutes meant another loss.

I would'nt be too sure about that Ed0052. Where can you see us getting points this year. There simply isn't enough goals in this team, period {Ed052's Note - there are plenty of goals in the team. I can see Allen getting a couple, you are talking 10 from sahin, Shelvey and Gerrard, then the same from the wide players, and 15 or so from Suarez. There are plenty of goals in the team}

02 Sep 2012 19:07:58
Hi All
poor display today ,Gerrard was woeful today gave it away constantly,we posed no threat to there defence,if we were still playing we would still be scoreless,going to be a long few months and suddenly top four looks more like top half,the whole club seems deflated {Ed052's Note - No it doesn't. One effin lose and people are saying relegation. Ridiculous. What happens I our fans. The majority of you allow seem total (any word) nowadays}

What game did you watch? we had more shots on goal than they did. We had chances. What does everybody expect miracles overnight. Wish people would stop with this negativity. So what it's not been an ideal transfer window. We were on the verge of going bust. Get behind the team and be a real reds supporter.

Al

What game did the first reply to this post watch, their keeper had 2 saves to make, a 40 yarder from agger and a 20 yarder from shelvey
they had 4 shots on target 2 goals

02 Sep 2012 19:06:26
I am not a Carroll fan from the 1st day. he is not a £35m and a £80k week man. but his football is coming better then when we buy him. watching Liverpool last 4/5 match so many cross been there I just hope Carroll there . when Carroll with us the team never paly this kind of football, now he gone and so many ball croos in the air.

r-r

Story of last season my friend. Carroll couldn't convert then and wouldn't now.

When will people realise AC had nothing to do with his price tag, everyone knows he`s not a 35m player even himself, can`t hold it against him, he didn`t even want to leave newcastle,he was forced out

02 Sep 2012 19:04:54
Liverpool has to win 13 games ie get 39 points to stay in the premier league , and tbh i cant see this team winning that many games , we cant score goals !! we are in a relegation fight , the sooner u admit this the better , if u dont win games and score goals u get relegated !! i fear for our future !! lets hope we buy strikers in january ? or we will be in danger of relegation ,
FSG have no experience in managing a football team and it shows !! {Ed052's Note - Utter rubbish}

At least you saved yourself from the Full
shame you should feel. By not putting your
Name!

I guess one of Gonzo or Beaker!!

Lyndon

Talk about over the top... Last week we battered man city, just gave away 2 stupid goals. Today was terrible but we are not in a relegation fight... what a load of rubbish

G BOX

There is no way a Liverpool wrote that!

I agree with him Ed, we are an averge side now

NEWS FLASH
we also lose 1st game of the season
a draw agaisnt man city is a good result
Arsenal solid team we aint gonna win all our matches happy to lose to a good team like arsenal than say no disrepect someone like wigan

Way too many non-kopites here,why are they so interested in our club anyway?
Fudge off back to your own sites,saddos.

Eds052 your just mouth pieces for FSG, THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE MANAGING A FOOTBALL CLUB ! i agree with this posting , i also fear we will not win enough games and we are in danger of relegation , why do all the eds support FSG when all us fans dont ? {Ed052's Note - No offence mate, but those people critiising the owners dont really seem to understand the situaqtion we were in, and are in now. Perhaps if you look at the bare fact sof the things they have done for the club, you would be more appreciative. We wouldn't find owners anywhere as good as these for a very, very long time. They provide huge financial backing, without being OTT. The club is now a healthy club, and not extremely ill like it was when they took over. And we wont be relegated. We have taken one poiint from 9, yes, but we have played 2 top 4 teams, we havent' even played a rubbish team yet - and when we do, we will thrash them.}

Why is it rubbish ed, can you not see what is happening at the club, i bet you have your typical red goggles on like most of are fans, we need to wake up because this season is a relagation fight. ASHY {Ed052's Note - There is no chance of a relegation battle. we have played 2 of the top teams in the country, and we have played well. Granted we havent got the points that we deserved, but we are not that far off. Once it clicks, which will be soon, top 4 will be a possibility. And if you are so against these owners, show us all how amazing you are by starting up a trust for fans to buy the club. The owners are terrific, and if you understood the facts, you would understand that too}

I don't know, Ed052, I'd say it was rubbish too, but the last 3 have shown we've got a pretty big issue on our hand.

We don't seem to be able to score in open play at all and in fact our shots on target count is pretty dreadful. If we lose the next 2 (which I think is entirely possible), this could get really, really ugly. {Ed052's Note - If we lose the next 2 then so be it. It doesnt really matter. at the end of the day, the club is still alive and beating. All clubs go through sticky patches in their seasons. We may just have a really bad start, but our fixtures get easier and eaiser, until Decmeber, when we could win 6/6. We are only a few points of 4th now!! We can easily catch it up. It'll be fine. And yes, it's a little worring that we havent scored from open play, but we have come close, and played the top 2 defences in the league!!}

02 Sep 2012 19:03:12
Why dont the owners just splash out and pay higj wages and get real quality players that will take us in to the Champions League, then sell them and continue with their current plan? We would then be able to attract better players for less once we qualify.

Hounsred {Ed002's Note - And how would they finance this clearly unsustainable model?}

Leeds utd

Lyndon

Using their money that they promised they have

If FSG cant afford to invest in LFC , they should sell up to some owners who have the money and want to ! {Ed002's Note - I rather think the ease out option for FSG might not be something you would wish for.}

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

02 Sep 2012 18:58:34
Can't believe all the persons calling for Assadi and Yemsil to step up. Has anyone seen them play? Have the played in the Prem before....no. If we are pinning all our hopes on them then we really are in trouble!

Abuse of owners and especially their families is sickening, people who do this are not Liverpool fans and should stick to their play stations and a web site.

I dont agree with abusing the owners , but i dont support them and i want them out !

We don't have anyone else to ask to step up, unfortunately. Suarez appears to be well off-form, Gerrard can't play more than once a week, Borini is a kid with a massive burden on his back, and Sterling is far too young to be under this kind of pressure.

Think we're just hoping one of Assaidi or Yemsil will turn out to be some sort of Messi-like player from nowhere. It's unlikely, admittedly, but what other hope do we have?

Don't see a problem with assaidi stepping up he's 23, not exactly a youngster like yesil. he just isn't match fit yet

02 Sep 2012 18:57:51
really poor today, have 2 agree that gerrard
wasn't great and may be time he dropped back in midfield to control the pace and tempo of a game rather than feel he has to drive the team on further forward. As for suarez, terrific player but his touch was awful today and when in position to score trys to be far to cute and clever hence our need for a clinical finisher. Borini looks a bit lost on the right of a 3 man front line and maybe worth swapping with suarez. Once again football was pretty enough at times with plenty of passing but little or no end product with a distinct lack of players in the box. This was probably our strongest 11 today but apart from a few players many were a let down. Today liverpool strung 10 or 20 passes together and it looked good but there was a lack of penetration or direction and the ball all to often ended up back where it started wheras arsenal gave us a lesson in counter attacking football with 4 or 5 passes going from their own box right into liverpools, disecting our midfield. Due to rodgers lack of options on the bench that gives no plan B there may be a chance we become a bit one diminsionable and predictable thus easier to defend against. I know its early days but things can only improve as this was never a quick fix. cheers
davy

Thats the problem! Gerrard needs to take control of the attacks..he's useless in the holding role..we have other players to do that! Gerrard is possibly the best finisher we have, he needs to play centre forward, with suarez on the right.. Not ideal but what choice do we have left?

Gerrard is probably the only player who can play the holding role besides lucas, someone who can tackle and pass. gerrard is now 32 and cant keep attacking forever.

02 Sep 2012 18:57:21
FSG OUT !! the sooner they leave the better , lets get owners in that will fund this great club , FSG are not investing enough money , and we are going to have a relegation fight on our hands {Ed052's Note - The club is in the situation it's finds itself because of "fans" like you. }

Why is it so bad to want the owners out eds ? all this fan is doing is saying he isnt happy with these american owners , he is allowed his own opinion , its called free speech mate !

You wont post this i know but ed052 he has a point if there not going to back the manager whats the point their outlay this window is somethin like £17 million when all is said and done that is not going to get us back in the top 4 , whether you like it or not we are all fans just because you dont like what is said doesnt mean you can blame whats happening on us, you might like to think you are but you are not allways ,right learn to respect other piople point of view argue the point sensibly and stop being an utter person blaming fans for something they dont control!
Rogers has been let down by both AYRE AND FSG and that is a point you cannot argue!
andy3151 {Ed002's Note - It is circa £28M net.}

Why is it the fans fault ? {Ed052's Note - The fans have gone from being supporters to critics and abusive people. That's why we're in a mess. Our 12th man has gone and been replaced by a gang of horrible abusive people who are only offensive about the player, club owners and players.�}

I agree we need new owners , why do all the eds support FSG so much ? funny that ? i want new owners who will put cash into our club

Why is he not happy with the owners
is it because their not Splashing
100s of millions of their own money.

Would you give up all your pocket
Money and give to the club.

Then have no Sweeties for the rest of
the week!

Lyndon

Sorry mate it hasnt just more and more fans are expressing negatively on this site no offence but this website is not a fair representation of lfc fans u hear the crowd today brilliant

Disagree totaly Ed The fans just pay the money , Moores selling the club to Hicks is why we are in this state terrible Answer for an Ed ! K.O.B {Ed052's Note - Hicks and Gillete caused a lot of problems which are being repared. However, the fans are there to suppoirt the club, and recently, that seems to have gone missing. Re - building the club could have been far easier with fans support - instead of them just critising any changes}

Why is it so bad to want the owners out eds ? all this fan is doing is saying he isnt happy with these american owners , he is allowed his own opinion , its called free speech mate ! {Ed052's Note - Mate, you can have your opinion, but what I am saying that if you want these owners out that you are incredibly stupid to want that}

02 Sep 2012 18:57:21
Have to say I'm a bit concerned at some of the posts since the window closed. I am not convinced Dempsey would have added much more than a body to the squad. My main problem with the deadline day thing was the failed brinkmanship over Dempsey which has caused the club more PR hassle by trying to wait for the best price. At the end of the day Spurs have signed a player who openly said he wanted to play for another team - they can't be delighted with that.

I'm sure everyone from Rodgers upwards would have wanted a different outcome on Fri but it didn't work out. All in all £30M spent and team is much stronger as a result. Rodgers style will work but will take time to develop and when it does players around the world will want to come to us because we play that way. It will take 3 windows to fully overhaul the squad and I don't expect many of the players from previous managers reigns will remain including Gerrard and Reina. It will get better but lets not expect too much too soon. And abusing the owners etc will only tarnish the club and it's fans further. Changing owners and managers only harms the club in every way. Let's support and pull together to stabilise the club as then any players who are unhappy will see that the club support backs the manager and they need to join in or leave.

Simon

Very sensible.

irishsimon.

Poor Eds, you guys need reinforcements nevermind Lfc.

To Simon and Irishsimon. I am glad you have nothing to do with managing lfc. You say the team is stronger and BR needs time.... KDs management gave Two cup finals, winning one and gifting BR European football alongside spurs and Newcastle. Then BR tosses out the only other striking option he had with Carroll. Admitting as much this evening- he is possibly nuts as he himself said he would be to let Carroll go. What an amateur BR has turned out to be. How dare he gamble his little 'system' on the heritage built by far greater men than he. worse, a financial services group thought they could gamble it. We all know how clever these financiers are. At Gambling. And who picks up the pieces when it fails.

we would be 'nuts' to say it looks like there will be two cup finals and European football next season.

02 Sep 2012 18:56:52
I think that Borini was bought as a back up to Saurez, as in playing in the middle of a front 3. He is only playing wide cos we are so short of forwards.
RedRich

02 Sep 2012 18:54:27
I have a funny feeling that Owen will sign on free. I can only acceptit if he is on amlow salaey with good bonuses for performance. He can still get in a few goals if he stays injuri free.

02 Sep 2012 18:27:50
United weren't afraid to pay asking price for a 29 years old want away striker in the last year of his contract as they knew his value on the pith.
Liam Tomkins
Totally agree.. Did you guys see Utd's match..

Musicnation

True......and by the looks of it pay big wages to Rooney and he looks like hes been on the pith too...

Untill he gets injured van perise will cost city around 10m+ a season on top of his 20m transfer fee and has what maybe 3 years left in him would a be a stupid signing for lfc gr8 business by arsenal in my view

City ! what have they got to do with it !

02 Sep 2012 18:27:07
Watched todays game... 2 players NEED dropping
Gerrard and reina...! Reina has been shocking he dosent even seem to try anymore... If i see him shaking his
Head one more time my tv may get it... Gerrard just runs round like a loon now an pulls the team shape all over the place he struggled to pass the ball 4 yards today and didnt track back...
But on the plus... Again allen and sterling stand out players
I also thought downing looked ok when he came on today.... Opions plz eds and fellow lfc fans?
Rickblfc....

02 Sep 2012 18:26:16
Eds fellow reds , just read BR interview and he said he only has 19 players training yesterday and some of them are very young .can we concede games before we play them I.e carling cup fa cup euro because we can't efford to lose those players. Through injury {Ed002's Note - No. The squad is much larger than that. I suspect some were getting treatment and perhaps there was a reserve game on.}

02 Sep 2012 18:26:11
Hi eds.
A serious question here, which I would really appreciate an answer to. Where is Assaidi ? He's not on the bench for any of the premier league games ??
Harry from Notingham. {Ed002's Note - He only arrived two weeks ago. His time will come.}

Sorry, Ed002, that makes little sense. Tons of players move around in the window and slot straight in. Dembele moved and played one day later, Michu moved and became and instant hit, RvP seems to be doing just fine, etc, etc.

I'm guessing he's not maybe as good as was expected, otherwise why leave him out? {Ed002's Note - This is simply a squad player - who told you he would be starting every week? Or do you want Sterling dropped?}

Sahin only arrived 1 week ago! Don't understand it myself! He's a footballer that in the medical tests shocked the staff with how good his results were! Now having played football at a decent level myself the only way to gain match fitness is playing! If he can't be on a bench ready to play 10-15 mins then there must be some problem!

02 Sep 2012 18:25:20
The mancs showing you get what you pay for ! . hope we give the young lads a go ie Morgan yesil Suso ngoo

02 Sep 2012 18:50:36
Ed - how do I tell Rodgers, nay, beg him to shift Borini as a centre forward, not on the right, or left? Singred {Ed002's Note - Write to him C/O LFC.}

02 Sep 2012 18:46:09
To all negative posters:
"If you can't support us when we lose or draw Don't support us when we are winning".
Our time will come.
st
YNWA
IN BR WE TRUST

Post of the day.

Im sure i heard this when kenny was in charge...

phil

They still suport the club my friend, but i guess its painfull to watch what once was big greatness fall appart becouse of stupid transfer market and some wierd ownership mentality...99.9% still love the club like always my fellow red :-)

Were you saying that 22 years ago as well

I do support my club for 40 years , but im open minded enough , and brave enough to see whats wrong with this club , and therefore put forward our views ,

And when may Iask when will that be who says we are going to win with the NAPPIE man Rodgers

02 Sep 2012 18:44:12
I'm not doubting Gerrards talent, but if any other people did as little defensive work as him they would be dropped! I can get over players making mistakes but no running and playing for the shirt is unacceptable

K-man

What about the defensive tackle on Vermailan where he sent him 5 yards into the air after running back at a sprint.

Totally agree with you, BR shouldve taken him of instead of Sahin. {Ed052's Note -

Ironic you bring that one up. He totally missed the ball on that and was lucky not to concede a foul.

Gerrard was worn out, no two ways about it. But it's not surprising as it's asking a lot of him to play 3 games in 7 days.

02 Sep 2012 18:42:13
is klose still on a free?? {Ed002's Note - He joined Lazio in June.}

02 Sep 2012 18:38:39
2 goals down and we are forced to bring on shelvey and downing!!

Shelvey is class and was one of our better performers. Did you even watch it?
Sick of clueless supporters commenting.
Davey Liver

Shelvey is a decent player but def not class. I was commenting on the lack of strikers at our disposal. Good luck to you my son

Did downing play left back or did Rodgers change his mind again

02 Sep 2012 18:48:39
will ngoo get a chance eds ?

LTP {Ed052's Note - I should think so yes}

Give them all a chance but he can only play 25 sqad players

02 Sep 2012 18:47:53
I do think Owen has to be considered he will get some goals. He won't start everygame but he's a good plan B and will help morgans progression. Just my opinion.

02 Sep 2012 18:36:24
Good evening my scouse friends. Oh dear what happened today an Arsenal team that couldn't score in a brothel took the 3 points.
A big mistake letting Clint go to the Spuds me thinks,but then again if you only offer 3M,hilarious!!.
Please don't get on the back of my old friend Brendan as I think he may get you to the Europa qualifiers next season through the fair play league,a wonderful achievement.
Good luck at Sunderland where no doubt you will hit the post 10 times,be unlucky and the ref will be awful or there will be a balloon on the pitch.
See you in a few weeks when Mr Van Persie will drill you a new hole, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Sir Alex x

Well it shows that we have true fsupporters.
I recon united will lose half of its fanbase when they hit the slump we're in.
derryred

And I will laugh again when Man City take the Premiershiptitle from under your noses again on goal difference this season on the last day...........

Brendan Rogers ....... :-)

Hopefully he doesn't get injured picking up that drill because then you will be paying 220k a week for a bag of jello.
AnfieldUSA

02 Sep 2012 18:35:45
It isn't going to be Owen or Drogba. I understand it will be Heskey.

Nostrawigus

02 Sep 2012 18:34:44
ever since we sold alonso the ass fell out the whole thing , few of our players need dropping but the sqaud that thin if we were to rotate we relyin on youth and inexperience shockin what happened in transfer window we gamblin with premiership existence scary rubbish . red in pain

Let's get it clear...WE didn't sell him, Rafa did after an personic argument.

02 Sep 2012 18:31:08
Owners need to give us 40m pounds in January. That's all I'm asking. Get cole off the wage bill. The. Sign dzegoev and lewandwoski. We would easily challenge for the title for years to come.
AnfieldUSA

It won't happen...

Dzegoev has just signed a new contract

02 Sep 2012 18:31:05
is dj campbell available from qpr. {Ed002's Note - No, he plays for QPR.}

02 Sep 2012 18:23:32
Anyone know the situation with Suso?
Is he happy? Does he want to leave?
Has been offered a new contract yet?

We might as well bed in as many youngsters as we can and to be fair a few of them would have done better that what was on show in the 1st team today.

Only Allen, Sterling and Shelvey really performed.
Morgan for Borini
Suso for Gerrard
Ngoo on the bench?
Wisdom for Johnson?

02 Sep 2012 18:20:42
why dosent liverpool make a move for fabio grosso at left back and del piero up front. fair enough they are past there best but with the size of our tiny squad we need numbers. surely these experienced players could tick us over till jan when hopefully we sign some quality(wouldnt hold my breath). the way we have conducted our business is nothing short of amateurish and embarrassing heads should roll for these mistakes imho.what must top players think about our professionalism when they see us conducting business like this. letting carroll out thinking someone is lined up to come in its just pathetic. Sorry for the rant im just so disenchanted by what has gone on.

02 Sep 2012 18:20:37
Why do Liverpool fans keep saying FSG need to spend more money etc.... They have spent way over par since there arrival and they keep paying the costs of running the football club which makes losses all the time... If Liverpool was a profiting club you would be able to spend more but unfortunately you are not and the owners have got more sensible than too spend willy nilly like they let Dalglish.

02 Sep 2012 18:19:11
i dont normally do this but this is what i saw from the team today..

reina: made me nervous everytime he was involved, im a huge fan but his form has hit an all time low in the last few months..

johnson: partially at fault for the 1st goal, and generally poor in defence. tried to make things happen in the final 3rd but nothing doing.

skrtel & agger: had no support whatsoever from the midfield, were forced to stand off for arsenals 1st.

enrique: very average, i liked him a lot for about 20 games last season but hes gone off the boil.

Gerrard: up there with his worst performances in the red shirt, looks heavy legged, wont chase back, and in my opinion is not half the player he used to be.

allen: played as well as we could expect, very good on the ball, never gave it away, just looked to be doing it on his own in the middle.

sahin: shouldnt have started, was virtually non existant in the game.

sterling: excellent from the young lad again, an awful pity we dont have more players with his enthusiasm, was involved in most of our best moments.

suarez: love the player but he was awful, touch wasnt there, didnt want to pass the ball, and looked very tired.

borini: worked very hard but offered nothing in attack, decision making was poor in the final third.

shelvey: decent when he came on, but hard to change things when we are chasing the game. should have started.

downing: couple of good moments but again wasnt enough of a threat.
...

arsenal absoloutlely ran the midfield today and we couldnt cope with cazorla and diaby.
very few positives to take from the game.

LFC-IRE

The biggest worry was Gerrard today as he looked hacked off about something. Maybe he's finding it hard to hide his disappointment following the transfer window closure and knows the writing is on the wall this season. He's not getting any younger and desperately wants to see the club fighting for top honours. I know he's a pro and shouldn't show it, but you can hardly blame him considering what he's given to the club over his career.

02 Sep 2012 18:16:17
Hello Eds,
whats your take on the game today ?
I feel we lacked Quality in the final 3rd otherwise we were decent. My only 2 criticism of the Manager are :
1. Why doesn't he play Borini up top &
2. Why not have either Morgan or Ngoo on the bench instead of Carra.
Anyways just hope we don't waste our time with freebies like Owen and the manager has some strong words with the Owners to provide some cash for Jan window to buy 2 attackers (Walcott and Sturridge(loan)) and A GOOD BACK-UP GK to keep Reina on his toes.
Still hoping for the Best.

02 Sep 2012 18:15:14
Pepe reina time to drop him give gulacsi a chance because reina has been poir for a long times now as phil mcnulty said time for rodgers to stand up and show whos boss

Were are ALL those red fans of yours gone who gave us crap on are page yesturday, gone quite havent you ha ha ha ha

A poor side that beats an even worse one probably shouldn't be bragging. As you can tell on here, most thing we played very poorly yet you won from a defensive mistake and crap goal keeping and are bigging it up?

02 Sep 2012 18:14:56
Stick gerrard up front, his legs are gone and he can't dictate the play like he used to

I think Gerrard needs to be dropped full stop! I've been saying it for a couple of seasons now. No doubt he's been a quality player for Liverpool but his time is up! Allen for me is the Gerrard of old but better IMO! I defo think BR is the man to bring us back the glory days but he needs the support from above. He will give the young players a chance I'm sure of that and I think they will do really well and challenge for first team places!

02 Sep 2012 18:14:11
FSG have bitten off more than hey can chew, and if LFC don't get Top 4 (Where the money is) They will sell the club next year.

Who, in gods name, would buy a club that is losing £1m a week?

I believe the fans want it sold to one of the mythical queue of billionaire playboys lined up outside Anfield.

02 Sep 2012 18:13:44
Funny to hear rodgers saying "the finances had to be changed here" and "from a businnes side theve done great"
Take 2 things from this...

1- from a business side thev done great thats clearly away to say he is not happy and owners have took money first clearly not happy rightly so.

2- the finances had to be changed here? What dies he mean by that doesent sound too exciting for liverpool fans days of buying big players torres etc are over. And reality is yeah we have to manage finances but the owners say we are going to get us to the top but reality is footballs a billionaires playground not a millionaires anymore sad reality but these days u need money.

So fsg need to work out wither they can provide this or sell to someone able to if possible.
Oh and give brendan a chance hes a great greatcoach but even pep guardolia could t do miracles with 19 players in training including youngsters.

Thoughts pleasebecause im sure im not the only one feeling a littledownhearted because at end of day transfers marquee signing gets everyone excited.

02 Sep 2012 18:13:25
I'm starting to think this website is ran by FSG or a subsidiary . . . and Lyndon is actually Linda Pizzuti (aka Mrs. John W. Henry) . . . {Ed002's Note - Is this because I won't join the campaign of hate that the fans are spewing over the owners and their families. That I won't use Twitter to make vile threats to them?}

If you think it's ok to abuse and threaten people over a game of football you are
a sad Man/boy and need to be transported
back to The 80s where you belong

Lyndon

Is ed002 a liverpool fan ??? {Ed002's Note - More so than most here today it seems.}

The eds want to keep it light and bright as its less hassle for them.

Threats should not be made to anyone under any circumstances.

Oh my god, get a grip you lot, The Ed's do a great job on here, just because they don't see your point of view all the time. We are three games in, Threatening the families on Twitter is an absolute disgrace. ITS A GAME OF FOOTBALL FOR F**K SAKE. You do a great job ed's long may you go on.

Sooty

02 Sep 2012 18:10:56
Rodgers definitely weighing up his options... Free agents are on the agenda...

02 Sep 2012 18:10:51
we needed Assaidi on the bench

We needed Pele and Maradona on the bench

02 Sep 2012 18:09:38
eds are the scouting team at the club searching for a striker on free? {Ed002's Note - Where would they look? By the very nature of it they are not playing for anyone.}

Pub leagues? Playgrounds? Recently retired lists? Pretty sure Vennegor of Hesselink is available and could be our big name free agent signing...

I have checked with my agent and i am available on a free.

02 Sep 2012 18:07:57
Just one question, why is borini being played out wide? Surely he should be played through the centre! He doesn't look good on the wing because he's not a winger! He says himself he's a player like inzaghi!

02 Sep 2012 18:06:48
I've seen a lot of others post on here similar things and I agree- Borini should be playing centrally with Suarez wide.

Does anyone have a rational explanation/thought why Borini is playing as a winger and Suarez centrally instead? I really can't wrap my head around this as it's clearly not working and makes very little sense.

My only conclusion therefore is either BR is badly mistaken setting things up this way or everyone that thinks this (including me) is?

RDL

02 Sep 2012 18:06:36
Put pacheco on the bench for the sunderland game i beg of u rodgers!

02 Sep 2012 18:03:45
Werner said that we had money to spend and they offered 4M for Dempsey with no plan B!! I hope you enjoyed the game today Tom. IOM Red

Plan B was apparently go home and eat dinner instead of spending all night looking for someone to help fill out the squad. Clearly Dempsey was the only available footballer in the entire world for ~5M...

The offer was as little as £3m for Dempsey !!if we are given players away,we should buy before we sell!

02 Sep 2012 18:03:24
does anyone have the FSG or the chaimans email Lets ALL email him or them together

Leave it out "Comrade"
grow up

Lyndon

Oh grow up or go on your own teams page

02 Sep 2012 18:02:41
Hello Eds, a poor day but thought Sahin showed a few glimpses of quality and Sterling has been a shining light so far along with Allen. Looking fwd to seeing Assiadi and think Singred is spot with his team selection below.
Dh23

02 Sep 2012 17:30:05
With the squad Rodgers has, he should drop the wider 4-3-3 and go for 4-2-3-1 with Allen and Sahin as holding midfield and a trio of Assaidi - Suarez - Sterling to support Borini. Gerrard, bless his heart, has the determination but he should step aside and recognise that he is better as an impact player from the bench, much like Raul. Singred

Hate to say it but you may be right

Sooty

02 Sep 2012 18:02:01
Thoguht Allen and Sterling were immense again today by the way...

Gerrard and Reina were poor when you think how much they are getting paid!

02 Sep 2012 18:01:11
Firstly - give BR time.

Secondly, buy him 2 proper strikers in January.

With those 2 things, we will be ok, but this season is going to be hard. I hope that the owners have some money to spend in January.

Nick

The strikers should be there know,as we where short even with Carroll !!

To repeat myself, as many will agree..

January.. will.. be.. too.. late!

20 odd years and counting right? I wasn't expecting a league challenge this year, but to think 3 years ago we were challenging for the league and Dominant at home(along with a crowd that makes noise)

Lee YNWA

02 Sep 2012 18:01:01
Liverpool FC are one of the greatest sporting institutions in Britain and Europe and through poor ownership in the last 20 years (I'd include David Moores - heart in the right place but again clueless) we've been relegated to I do not know what... What I do know is that the teams I've watched over the last few seasons have not got 'it', whatever 'it' might be...

02 Sep 2012 18:00:37
Sorry ed002 do not agree with u on dempsy.he scored 23 goals last season in all compititions more then any liverpool forward.
Goals win matches and at even 8M he was bargain just look at RVP carrying united.

We are in bottom 3. Without a goalscorer.times are not good.

Red indian {Ed002's Note - As I said I was surprised the deal for Dempsey did not happen. But he is not an out and out striker and he was at a club where he would score a larger proportion of goals.}

It isn't just Dempsey, though, Ed002- he's just an easily identifiable target of frustration.

Why with hours to go in the window still did we (supposedly) shut down shop and go home? Surely we could have maybe attempted to get one or two youngsters in with that time? What was the plan if Dempsey didn't work out or did we just not have one? Why didn't the Damiao loan work out- just a matter of wages? How much could he have possibly been asking for?

Just a lot more questions than answers forthcoming and results today (and I expect for the next several games) are only going to make the unpleasant noise grow louder... {Ed002's Note - That would be no more than a knee jerk reaction to spend money for the sake of it. It realy is not how business works. I have no doubts after the events of this weekend that the fans will get what they want with FSG at least now looking at exit options.}

Woah fsg want out reli? thats not good {Ed002's Note - Exit options have been looked at before.}

02 Sep 2012 17:59:35
Bottom 3 then boys ,we will have to get use to this thanks FSG and BR .great job

Dont blame BR he was let down as well as us supporters

Has BR not made the team play his way and his players ,we all blamed rafa ,Roy,kenny

I don't blame BR for the Dempsey saga.

I do blame him for playing a knackered Gerrard 3 days after his last 90', continuing with Suarez central and Borini wide, and having Carragher on the bench rather than someone attack minded (Morgan, Suso, etc.).

02 Sep 2012 17:59:10
Raheem and Joe were very good today, the rest i wouldnt pay their wages. The Owners and boardroom are responsible for this debacle. Sell them all and start again.Sell the club to someone who knows whats needed to make us succeed again. Carragher, Gerrard, Johnson, Enrique, Reina, Downing, Suarez, are overpaid shiite.

Gerard is getting hard time from fans on here, the guy is literally working with 2 inexperienced kids (Allen & Stirling) so is having to hold back a bit. BR should play Stirling up front and downing on wing then SG can control midfield while keeping an eye on Allen

Gerrards getting a hard time cos hes been playing rubbishe sterling and allen have been our best two players they dont need babysitting

Is this a joke? Allen looks at least twice the player as Gerrard.

02 Sep 2012 17:58:46
Let's face it - this game includes a lot of luck - MU 2-2 87mins MU win 3-2 92 mins. It never happens to us!
DM2012

Pfft..nothing to do with luck...Van Persie is worth is weight in gold...that's why he costs so much

Bazingaa

Its called winning mentality Liverpool used to have it not anymore

U make ur own luck

02 Sep 2012 17:57:32
Not that the player would have entertained the idea of coming to us, and not that the owners would have paid the fee or the wages, but in most cases you get what you pay for - RVP!

02 Sep 2012 17:57:22
BR comments when asked about transfer day...

"We all know we needed reinforcements and the players needed help, but the window is shut, we can't do anything about it now."

In other words, the board and owners did not pull through and support...

In terms of players who normally score goals we've lost Kuyt, Bellamy and Carroll and brought in Borini.... speaks volumes. The bench looked poor on options.

I feel for Brenden...

BR is also responsible as he's signed Assaidi, Allen and Sahin. The latter 2 are good players, but his priority was to bring in 2 top quality strikers (replacing the 3 International strikers that have left) and then concentrate on the other positions once he'd address the main issue.

02 Sep 2012 17:57:09
And that's why if you pay top dollar you get top dollar players.Jammy t***s.

02 Sep 2012 17:54:51
i am proud to be LFC fan for 27 years. but i feel ashame LFC is own by americans.

The British ones didn't do much better.....i.e. Moores.

Sooty

... im amazed this stuff gets posted suppose eds gets abuse if they dont cant win but still

02 Sep 2012 17:54:01
liverpool need to pick Craig Gordon up,as well as a new striker,pepe's gone,his form has been dropping the last 2 seasons...

02 Sep 2012 17:53:26
poor decisions to blame-BR
startin to sound like a lfc manager now
well done today lads (sarc)

02 Sep 2012 17:51:34
If fans feel Stevie G deserves Leniency for carrying the club for long then it's not fair.
Stevie G deserves Premier League medal for carrying the club through thick and thins.
And he should be ready to accept the medal from the bench.
It's about time he should start from bench as Super Sub.
What may happen that he'll again rescue us from defeat in some other game this season and we'll be like oh Gerrard! .. he's the man! .. he should start the games .. and we'll let it happen for other 10 games that could've been won if he could've started from bench.
Guys Like the player but Love the Club.

Indian Kopite

Why not play Stevie G as a striker - got to be worth a go, AND lets get behind the players we have got and the manager - lets encourage them to do their best.

I'd rather see our £11M striker from Italy played as a striker...

02 Sep 2012 17:50:23
where did i put those magic beans

02 Sep 2012 17:49:38
Hey eds, great site, Keep up the great work. I watched the site religiously on deadline day, sadly we could not bring in anyone. Do you think there is any chance the club will look at any Free Agent and bring them in? We desperately need another striker, today just proves it. Even with Morgan we still need another striker I feel.

02 Sep 2012 17:47:40
Maybe we just got beat by a good Arsenal
Side who can defend again now aswell
as attack. who could have a chance of
The title this year

Lyndon

The Arsenal side is not good and they didn't really play well today at all. One goal from a defensive screw up, the other purely down to Reina being closer to the worst keeper in the PL rather than the best.

We lost because they were slightly better than us and and we were crap and never looked like scoring (two legit saves from their keeper maybe- one on Suarez and one on Shelvey?).

We wasnt just beat, we were battered... i can take losing but the players attitudes were quite poor... no fight in half of them

We never looked like scoring because
They played well in midfield and defence,

Maybe if you could give the other team
Credit it would take up some of your time
Away from Slagging off your own team

Lyndon

Lyndon you clearly haven't got a clue my friend if you think Arsenal can win the league. Go and have a lie down in a dark room son.

02 Sep 2012 17:40:43
could B R ask the owners to swap whole squad with swansea's?

Wage bill would go down by 2/3s... I don't think Swansea would go for it though- who would want the 5 or 6th highest wage bill performing at a 19th position level?

02 Sep 2012 17:23:29
Hi Eds.

First time poster so please be gentle...

On todays game i really think we need to stop carrying Stevie. I know he has carried us for the past god knows how long, but he simply isn't up to it any more, and IMO would be better as an impact player with 20 minutes to go if we are struggling. There comes a time if we want to move on and take steps forward where we need to ruthless. In the past three premier league matches he has given away simple passes that have led to us conceding 3 goals. Again just my opinion but Jonjo has shown more desire and attacking intent coming off the bench, which i think in Brendans system the need for the midfielders to support the front line is imperative. Surely now is the time to let Jonjo step up to the mark??

On a brighter more positive note Joe Allen has been immense, and the qualities he provides for 15m is a steel. At the Man City game which i attended last week i can't recall him giving the ball away, and his reactions when under pressure...well...simply class.

Also nice to see Sterling been given a run in the team. Along with Allen two bright shining stars in the last 2-3 games.

Anway onto my quick two questions:
1. I don't really want to dwell, but what the hell happened on Friday night? Is Ayre to blame or should Brendan foot some responsibility in letting Carroll go before signing an adequate replacement? And by the way has Ayre ever been involved in transfer dealing before? Seems we have massively miffed a few clubs over the summer, and do FSG need to take some responsibility for giving Ayre such an important position within the club.
2. Where is Assaidi? Not match fit? Seems odd he didn't even make the bench again today. Especially as we are struggling for options up front?

Thanks for all of your time and the effort you put into this site. It has been a pleasure to read all of the banter and rumours over the last few years, and watch the site grow.

Thanks again,
Aggers Left Boot

02 Sep 2012 17:21:52
We were in the game until Gerrard happened. No excuses he is to blame. There were no one pressuring him making him pass the ball. and throughout the game he was missing when we were trying to retrieve balls or when defending. he made sahin and allen do all the work off the ball and on the ball kept loosing it or spraying useless long passes about.

02 Sep 2012 17:21:23
Hi eds any websites with a list of free agents? And what is this about Lucas Barrios. Thank you in advance!

James Mc {Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

Does that acrynome mean 'read the fine print' or 'read the f*cking post'? I do apologise I read the original comment and that is put to bed. I have trawled through some earlier post to no avail. But never mind, especially if you acrynome means the latter!

James Mc {Ed002's Note - tinyurl.com/c8vbkqd }

Thank you Ed, very much appreciated.

James Mc

02 Sep 2012 17:20:34
Stevenge. {Ed002's Note - If you don't think the death threats to the owners and the abuse of Mrs Henry are an over-reaction by the Liverpool "fans" then I feel particularly sorry for you. I am sure there is some hate filled mob that would welcome you as a member.}

Well said ed! This is only a game after all!

What is this about Ed I hope that no stupid fans have done anything you have mentioned! Write frankly fans like that are not welcome at Liverpool football club! Absolute disgrace. {Ed002's Note - There have been some very significant problems this weekend.}

We need to let the owners know how upset we are , they are over in america , so its hard for us to speak to them , i suggest they get on a plane , and meet with the fans , to see how upset we all are over this !! FSG OUT {Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure the point has been made by now.}

I think Mrs Henry is lovely!

02 Sep 2012 17:20:15
Ok opinions wanted, about how the club is being run,
Is it Ian Ayre who seems to make the big decisions on day to day business?
If he is here's a few.
Playing Roulette on deadline day and losing big style, selling players before replacements are signed and sealed.

The Suarez incident, badly handled could have been nipped in the bud by a guilty plea and an apology but sighting cultural differences and asking for leniancy. I even believe he wasn't even represented by a proper Lawyer. The statements on the website he gave were ridiculous and why weren't the T shirts stopped.

Even little things like calling another chairman a 'comedian' makes me cringe, surely its better to be the bigger man and say nothing on these matters.

Now the upcoming documantary, anyone else worried about the content and having our dirty linen aired in public, ok no worries with the manger 'dressing down' a player on a training session but what good does it do to the player having millions of people see it, i read there is even going to be footage of Dalglish getting sacked, come on this is the clubs biggest legend, what happened to the 'Liverpool Way' and having any business done behind closed doors.

Ok Im not laying all the blame at one man's it door im sure theres a few at fault, but someone has to be accountable for this negligence.

Dunno if you all think i'm being harsh or over the top, I am just tired of seeing our clubs name being dragged through the mud and made a laughing stock of by pure unproffesionalism at the top.

Feel free to pull me up if you thinkI'im out of order. look forward to reading any responses.

Andy the Red

Yes, the documentary seems a bad idea. The aim is to raise the profile in the USA and increase the scope for marketing revenue. But showing the sacking of KK and the aftermath is just not on.

I agree. In normal business terms these guys (fsg) appear to be not at the match!

I can sat nothing other than I completely agree

02 Sep 2012 17:19:51
It hurts. It really really hurts. I believe we will only get better as the season progresses.

amar

Not until we start scoring goals and they are not there at the moment. Also, since we are leaking goals (7 in 3 games), we need even more capacity to score. its simple maths, we concede more than we score and it doesn't look good. Th eonly good thing is that we will have played most of the top teams by the end of Sept, so then we can start working out way out of the bottom. But Southampton we unlicky to lose to today; if they ahd won we'd be in the bottom three.

You right mate but it's not the big team we usually struggle with its the stoke ,Sunderland ,Wigan ,qprs so I fear the worst

02 Sep 2012 17:46:55
Was at the game today not pretty but to all those who dismissed joe Allen he along with sterling were the shining lights,Allen did not put a pass wrong today & was sublime at times,Rodgers needs our support a few more ups & downs along the way but I still think he is the right man & needs time & backing for the players he needs... Paisley's genius

I think give him time with what he has got more to come

I agree totally pal rodgers is the right man but he needs bring in likes of morgan and yesil to give us that striking options and ur bang on the money bwt joe allen and raheem sterling the was untouchable.

ACHILLES.

02 Sep 2012 17:45:10
Ed just give a try but can u think of any reason why there were 3 defenders on bench today.
Y not morgan I am just so angry.kenny used to do it and now BR..it gets my blood pressure up.
Red indian

02 Sep 2012 17:44:42
Anyone got any details on free agents, to last till jan and compete in all competitions we will not be able to play sterling borini suarez every game.
Ive found BALLACK, OWEN,INZAGHI not saying I wud like them just getting an idea whos out there that cud atleast feature in europe.

Gingerviking {Ed002's Note - I provided a list via a link - search on "tinyurl".}

Could you post the link again {Ed002's Note - It is much easier for you to search on "tinyurl" on the Liverpool site than me.}

02 Sep 2012 17:44:24
Can't fkin believe it a so called team of world class football players and we're sat second from bottom in the prem.
i know it's early doors but these are games we should be winning, don't think i can face going in to work in the morning..bad times.

paulfc

02 Sep 2012 17:44:14
Stevie G's had it, he's looked shocking so far this season. Word is Man U were sniffing round him before the transfer window closed, does anyone else think he should have been 2kallowed to go? Cash in while the opportunity was there?

Ive had arguments with liverpool fans for the last two years saying gerrard was finished ive supported liverpool for 40 years now and ive seen his standards drop he doesnt encourage players around him as a captain should he slaughters players if they make a mistake ( anyone can make a mistake) this puts other players on their toes then for the rest of the game panicking incase they cock up again time to go iam afraid i think we should have took the 40 million on offer from chelsea cos thats when his game started on the slippery slope

Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but I agree- should have taken the money.

02 sep 2012 17:42:42
its simple drop
gerrard, reina, enrique
and see the improvement

02 Sep 2012 17:42:39
Ok I've done some research on some possible strikers we could snap up for free:
Michael Owen
Robbie Fowler
Lucas Barrios
Florent Sinema Pongolle
Emile Heskey
Alessandro Del Piero
James McFadden

Barrios and Owen are the stand out names here
Irishdom15 {Ed002's Note - Barrios is not available for free. And to be fair the reason Owen is out of a job is because of his injury record and lack of form.}

Personally, I'll take Klasnic - always had a eye for goals. Singred

I go for Del Piero, David Suazo or Pongolle

Owen woudl score goals, even at Man Utd he proved that. It is the fact he is injury prone that is the issue. Offer him a pay as you play deal on half the wages he is looking for, as I think we'll have a bargain. he can't terrorise defences like suarez, but he knows how to score. Maybe he could teach suarez a thing or two as well.

Del Pierro worth a shout

02 Sep 2012 17:39:31
I agree Gerrard is not having an impact on any games anymore. I would bench him and Reina. Bring Doni and Shelvey in for a few games.

Mighty reds

02 Sep 2012 17:38:03
What a load of rubbish ive said all along that we play better without Gerrard he was dreadful another player on £120k plus a week. Reina ive said since last year he,s not worth £20-25m if he is sell the man he,s another player who is a liability.
The problem is with Rodgerrs since these players are senior players he is afraid to drop them and cause a war in the camp.
Downing keep at left back, Borini plays well gives his all play central Suarez or just behind.
Play Pacheo, Morgan and the Hungaian young lad.
You see from the youngsters they have more heart drive and will to suceed even if the team doesnt.

02 Sep 2012 16:56:00
Wooow. Liverpool did a mess today as has been the case for the last few seasons.
One thing though, it is better to fail dismally at the beginning of the season than in the middle (around Feb). With the way things have gone in the transfer market, someone's head is on the line (I Ayre). We all know that at least two strikers (one of which must be a goal poacher) has been a requirement since 2010. We had a goal poacher in Torress but no second striker. Now we have an excellent second striker (Suarez). WHAT ABOUT A GOAL POACHER. BIg teams have one. We all used to rely on Gerrard but age is catching up with him. It is high time everybody at liverpool stop buying midfielders. We need strikers. Eds I posted similar posts last year and made noise about it. The result was simple, sack Mr Kenny Dalglish. I can tell you one thing though it was good we lost today as this will not send a false message that we have a perfect team. IF BR was brave, he would take at least four youngsters and thrust them right into the team. I would rather have the youngsters in there for a better future. (Barcelona model). Eds I am disappointed. It is high time we either put youngsters in there or GO AND SPEND BIG.
Fusc

That's the differnce between Liverpool and MU, Alex asked for £20+m for a 28 year old proven striker RVP although the Glaziers have got Utd deep in debt they backed therir manager. Hattrick against Southampton!!!!!!

Bobbinred

02 Sep 2012 16:58:52
Eds, how does the whole free agent thing work? If a player say, Lucas Barrios, buys himself out of his contract is he then a free to go to another club? {Ed002's Note - No. Free agents are players not contracted to a club as their contract expired (Drogba at the end of last season is an example; Michael Owen is another) or they are released from their contract (I think Owen Hargreaves fell into this category at the end of last season). During the season a player can become a free agent if the club he is playing for is in breach of a contract - this is rare but might just happen with Drogba and Anelka. Barrios will not be moving to Liverpool.}

02 Sep 2012 16:57:28
People on this site are actually deluded?! We have a bad game and were gonna get relegated?!? We lost against arsenal unless everyone has forgotten they are a pretty good team.. We out classed them in the first half and we deserved to be up if we could finish.. People are saying Liverpool are an embarrassment people on this site need to take a look in the mirror seriously! Eds and like 5% of people on here talk sense :| 3 games guys! CALM
THE HELL DOWN.

Cheers :)

Top post mate...Arsenal are a good team & liverpool strikers had an off game. But there were positives which hav been overlooked...not looking forward to 2 weeks of negative posts

We are over run in midfield they looked like they had an extra player we want our full backs to play as wing backs and we get caught out several times each game with them up the field the holding midfielder has to drop deeper in front of two center backs . As for reina he does not look like he wants to be here if so lets get shut in jan get butland in . Suarez is trying to do it all on his own this is having an effect on the rest of the team as they stop and watch a few times today it happened and the ball bounced around in the area and our players were a yard short of getting to the ball first so in all mate it was embarrasing at times and you must of been watching a diffrent game to me because in the first half Arsenal played counter attacking football they let us come at them then broke away as they did with both their goals mate A I take no pleasure in saying this it hurts to speak about a club I love but am affraid it is true

Not sure what game you are watching today! We had more possession, but were abject. Arsenal looked far more dangerous and could easily have won 4-0.

02 Sep 2012 16:57:19
I've always been saying that we should have kept Charlie..much better than sahin the ghost..then buy a keeper since Reina is not good anymore. Strikers needed. Borini is nothing good. Gerrard looks tired. It's time for the fans to make the management hear our voice. They've just lied to us and I can't see how Ayre is still in charge. You English people never appreciate the British talent and always search for someone outside who ain't always better (see Adam-sahin).That's a big mistake.
A red from Italy

LOL Adam over Sahin! You clearly don't have a clue about football! Singred

You're joking right?! Sabin the ghost? The guys been out injured for most of last season and never played in EPL before let alone for LFC and you slate him after his first game. Honestly, these type go comments give us fans a bad name. I remember when we was famed for our support and for giving players time. Remember Crouchy didn't score for ages but we all backed him. Get behind the team man!

Person it was his first game

02 Sep 2012 16:57:03
This season was always going to be hard.
New manager.
New system.
New players.

Don't get on their backs, get behind them and give them confidence to try!!

We won't be relegated and as the season progresses we will get better and better.

Well if you can guarantee this mate we have nothing to worry about then ,and well your at it get down the bookies and drop you house on it because you earn a fair bit on that .

Look at Swansea- new manager, somewhat of a new system, losing many 'big' players and replacing with new players and bang! Instant results that are looking very encouraging for them.

Why is it that Michu has no problem slotting in straight away (as just one example) but anytime someone comes to Liverpool they need 6 months (Joe Allen being an exception that rule)?

We have arguably (at least on paper) a decent squad, but we've been bossed by WBA, sloppy against ManCity, and toothless with defensive lapses against Arsenal. We played a pretty strong squad against Hearts at home and got bossed around by an entire team that probably makes less per week than Gerrard.

Why are we so poor? It doesn't seem to matter who comes in, they largely underperform (Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Adam, Borini). The crowds keep getting worse and less supportive, the pessimism stronger and stronger. We've got one of the top 5 or 6 wage bills with a pretty small squad and we'll be lucky to finish top 8.

There is frankly something wrong at the core of Liverpool Football Club. I have no idea what it is, but it needs to be resolved ASAP.

^^^ Again, another clueless poster! the current Swansea team was build by Rodgers over 3 seasons when they were in the Championship, and Laudrup is simply enjoying the fruits of that hard work! Now he's doing it all over again with a less than average squad...the least we can do is to give him the time to get the right players to play the system he favours. He's not an understudy to the masters for nothing!

Rodgers himself said that we will win the Premiership, but he may not be around or may be sacked, but someone else will reap the rewards of his work and take it higher!

Singred (its already past 2am over here, but I'm really having a field day!)

02 Sep 2012 16:56:41
FSG have too much on their plate, we need owners who are dedicated to LFC and want to spend their valuable time (and money) solely on LFC. I just don't see it working out any other way. FSG just have too many other things taking their attention away at a time when LFC needs lots of attention.

02 Sep 2012 16:56:08
Don't think it was all bad. People are too negative. We were the better team apart from up front. Much better football than last season. If we had gotton a lucky early goal we would have got 5. Wins will def come. Any fool can see that.

Daveevad

Ye and if my uncle had a handbag he would be my aunty

How many saves did the goalkeeper make....................

auntie annie......

02 Sep 2012 17:37:29
What a load of rubbish ive said all along that we play better without Gerrard he was dreadful another player on £120k plus a week. Reina ive said since last year he,s not worth £20-25m if he is sell the man he,s another player who is a liability.
The problem is with Rodgerrs since these players are senior players he is afraid to drop them and cause a war in the camp.
Downing keep at left back, Borini plays well gives his all play central Suarez or just behind.
Play Pacheo, Morgan and the Hungaian young lad.
You see from the youngsters they have more heart drive and will to suceed even if the team doesnt.

Borini is awful, scared stiff of a 50/50. no place for pussycats prem league. Pacheco not good enough, Morgan not ready, Downing not great on left wing let alone left back. We are lacking 4 top players simple as

02 Sep 2012 17:36:20
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Gerrard, Suarez, Carragher, and Reina are the 4 highest earners on the wage bill representing something like 20% of it (roughly 20M per year) based on my back of the napkin estimates?

They need to show why they're on the wages they're on!

It's Gerrard, then Glen Johnson then cole who are the highest earners

02 Sep 2012 17:35:14
I've been saying it for a while.. Reina has to go. There's absolutely zero confidence left in him to save a shot.. none left at all.

Must be still seeing beach balls floating around.

02 Sep 2012 17:35:08
Hi Ed's is Del Piero still available? i know he must be 37-38 now but surely would be worth a punt on a twelve month deal?? your opinion would be appreciated.......Cheers... Lee {Ed002's Note - He is 54 now, but he is available. One year would mean perhaps a £10M cost. Seems unlikely.}

A year wouldnt mean a ten million out lay common Ed thats mad talk hes looking for 20,ooo to 25,000 Grand a week. Which is around 1.4 million year and thats including signing on bounses. Your way of with 10 million mate. But I dont think hes the answer

Scottybhoy 1888 {Ed002's Note - He would be looking for a significant signing on fee, a much higher wage than you suggest. There would be agent fees and taxes due plus significant insurance. A lot for a 54 year old.}

54 ? lol..rush is younger we could bring him..haha

02 Sep 2012 17:34:47
same rubbish differant day with liverpool all the time its so predictable we make all the easy things look so hard & all this playing at the back when were losing 2-0 ,its stupid ,,for almost 3seasons now weve needed agoal scorer & we still need 1 ,its geting on my nerves ..for liverpool to finish top 4 we would need to buy 2worldclass wingers& 2worldclass strikers & im sick of hearing there no 1 out there its hard to find the rite player for the team ,,look world class players fit in its simple as that ..weve been made look like fools again in january we need to spend big style ,but im worried well be selling big style ,,just one sick liverpool fan,, every years the same were getting worse not better

02 Sep 2012 17:34:42
It's been said a few times on here recently, but I really feel that Gerrard no longer deserves a starting place now. Many times he gave the ball away today, And not for the first time was a weak link between midfield and attack. Still lots of positives on Allen, spearing etc but a disappointing day. Can anyone explain why Morgan wasn't on the bench? Seems odd to have 3 centre backs there. Ho hum, on to the next game.

The captain.

Said it the other week and got slated for it... his passing is going off as well.

I agree on Gerrard but never mind why Morgan wasn't on the bench why was spearing on the pitch?

Positives on Spearing, did he have a good game for Bolton? Catch up yeah. 1 minute Morgan looks out of his depth against Hearts,next he needs to be our knight in shining armor against Arsenal.
The Rev

02 Sep 2012 17:34:17
Craig Gordon free agent anyone? Short term competition for Pepe? Frees igning who is only 29 and was once a £9m signing for Sunderland but unfortunately has been marred by injuries. On a free, why not? Also if Barrios becomes availible he'll do.

RedKopite {Ed002's Note - Why would Liverpool want another goalkeeper - particularly one who has had injury problems and would require a signing on fee and likely high wages? Barrios is not an option.}

Because our first team goalkeeper is rubbish..

To stop reina droping clanger after clanger ed002 costing us valuable points thats why {Ed002's Note - Sparky will be working with him on his catching this week.}

02 Sep 2012 17:33:16
gutted not only with the result but the lack of passion a player is allowed to make a mistake they are human but for f**ks sake try at least to win it back. thought gerrard was crap once again ive said for two years now hes just not good enough anymore he plays when he wants to play and on his day can be a world beater but them days are few and far between and on another note SOME of the kop should hang their heads in shame there once was a time when the kop used to slaughter the kemlyn road stands for leaving early get behind the team every game not just the champions league games take your scarfs and your colours to the game and show them with pride and if your standing on the kop dont stand there watching everyone around you singing YNWA join in. sometimes celtic put us to shame when they sing OUR anthem

Or you could watch the football

02 Sep 2012 17:30:36
Drop Steven Gerrard and Give Suso the time to shine! It has to be done!

Ciso YNWA

02 Sep 2012 17:30:05
With the squad Rodgers has, he should drop the wider 4-3-3 and go for 4-2-3-1 with Allen and Sahin as holding midfield and a trio of Assaidi - Suarez - Sterling to support Borini. Gerrard, bless his heart, has the determination but he should step aside and recognise that he is better as an impact player from the bench, much like Raul. Singred

Get Del Piero for CF

then play Sterling LFW, Assaidi AM & Suarez RWF.

02 Sep 2012 17:30:00
Eds just want to know Is assaidi injured ? Hasn't even been on the bench yet, he can't be any worse than Borini {Ed002's Note - He has just arrived, his time will come.}

Sahin just arrived Assaidi been there 4 weeks now? {Ed002's Note - He is simply a squad player that will no doubt be trashed by the fans as "not Liverpool quality" in the coming weeks.}

02 Sep 2012 17:29:39
Gerrards on like 140k per week, Reina on about 100k. Thats like 12 million a year in wages with bonuses. Now Istanbul was almost 7 years ago.. Our history of domination 20+ years ago. We've held onto our 'history' for so long. How long are we gonna hold onto Gerrard be we realise he's the weakest link in the team. We cannot afford to go 85 minutes of lackluster recklessness for five minutes of brilliance.... Thats just not right no matter how sentimental we may be... Time to call it as we see it. Even if they leave for free it would cut our wage bill in half. We'd be able to get some fresh talent... Even though some may say Gerrard should be benched. D we really need a 140k a week bench warmer... That money can be put to good use. You're a legend stevie, but no man is bigger than the club... Wen u retire u can vome back as ambassador. Carra too.
YNWA The Pirate

02 Sep 2012 17:24:55
Ok a bad day at the office , but plenty of positives from it.

First things first, i just wanna say we may just as well have one of the best managers in BR in the EPL. He has been very clear and straight forward with us from the very beggining. He has done everything liverpool fans have longes to see, we are playing beautiful football, hes played players on merit, not on price tag. I admire the man very much. And i really hope that my fellow supporters get behind him, it was sad to see anfield in mourning today, it was all doom and gloom . The fact that he hasnt played Assadi means that he isnt ready yet, and that tells me alot about BR confidence , starting Steerling ahead of downing, IF THERE EVER HAS BEEN A MAN THAT NEEDS US THE MOST RYT NOW , ITS BR . Lets get behind him, sure we have been let down by ayre or fsg, we dont know, but one thing is clear. IN BR WE CAN TRUST!

Now lets show him that support we famous for, and show him that in mersey side red You'll NEVER WALK ALONE.

No hes not....be honest and tell us why Carrol has gone Brendan...we dont want a 35 million player on the bench...well every other club in the universe does...tell us why you ousted most of Kennys signings straight away..BE HONEST

Another bad day at the office, it was like watching the cast of 'The Office' today... clueless in the final third. Another season of watching us pass the ball around midfield for 90 minutes!

Everyone on this board slammed Carroll last season as too slow, not in the game, poor shift, not LFC qualit;, so Rodgers loaned him to another team that suits his game and now what happened? everyone is saying he is the best thing since sliced bread... what's the matter with you people?

LFC and Rodgers always play a pass-and-move game which Carroll never got a grasp of, preferring the long-ball tactics. That's why he was sent to West Ham. To borrow a phase from Ed002, suck on it and move on! Singred {Ed002's Note - I think "suck on it" may have a slightly different meaning to "suck it up". But hey, each to his own.}

Because the owners promised him players were coming in and let him down

Lets face it Andy Carrooll was never a £35m player, he didn't set the price tag.At most he is in the16m-20m brac ket. Andy was at the club when Brendon arrived, Brendon should not of judged him on the few appearances he gave him as a £35m player.
He also said he couldn't fit into his system, but with all due respects to him how does Jamie Carragher fit in.

Bobbinred

Bobbinre

He let carol go because he was told he would have a replacement fool

Oh so Rodgers moved him on cos everyone on this board thought he was lazy...well Bren time to stop takin these men on board and make youre own descisions...the club have left themselves that short ..that proberbly Agger is our best option out and out CF at the moment.He said last month that Carrol find a club or youre on the bench all season...you cannot say that about anyone..If friggin Voronin was scoring in training and playing well he would be picked..

02 Sep 2012 17:17:46
Shelvey in for Gerrard? Don't think Gerrard is past it, not at all, just needs to wake up tbh.

Zero

02 Sep 2012 17:16:22
I know we're all miffed about today but we have had a hard start and not even Brendan wont need to be told were light upfront but we need to get over it,its Gunna get worse before it gets better,IMO Enrique needs to be dropped I would of kept Johnson there and Kelly on the other side,Allen looks good borini looks ok maybe a bence player,but shelvey should of started instead of Sahin that boy gets stuck in,IMO we will end the season better and stronger than we start, cheers pk

We need a new keeper thats for sure

Shahin played a different role to Shelvey

02 Sep 2012 17:13:19
Just Saw Brendans interview after the match. His Voice sounded pretty much gone!

Didn't see him screaming to much on the sidelines so I hope he laid into the players into the dressing room!

Gerrard and Carra have ran this club for too long now! Time for a manager to take the lead and I think Brendans the one to do it! The guy just needs time that a lot of fans aren't willing to give.

I hope he gets the time but is 20 years long enough already?

Dex

I got worried when Brenda took charged one of the first things he did was pucker up to Gerragher and tell them how much the sun shone out of their overpaid arses. You knew then, the more things change , the more they stay the same and if the baying hoards run him out of town trust me a new manager will do the same. Rinse and repeat...
The Freewheelin Mark Arm

02 Sep 2012 17:12:12
Lets start a hate campaign and get rodgers ayre and the muppet show that is fsg out.boycott the games and dont buy any merchandise related to lfc.hurt them in their pockets.let them know their not wanted here.

That's ridiculous

How about no

Ridiculous post

Shut up you person

Let's not.

- Something Red -

.....crazy!!

Hi Eds, I'm sure it's not easy but is there any way to stop these type of moranic posts getting on site? It's no wonder this country is in a state! Shocking post and should have the balls to sign it, what an imbecile! Bret {Ed002's Note - It is the standard post match venting. I will let more go after a match where Liverpool fail to win as eventually it just dies down and the "in retrospect" posts kick in.}

Red Socks First, Red Shirts Last.

Get yourself off to Afghanistan if you're in a fighting mood... We lost a football match, that's life!

02 Sep 2012 17:09:38
Owen was at anfield today.

02 Sep 2012 17:08:39
we need to create our team around allen, shelvey, suarez and sterling. Gerrard needs to be dropped to the bench.

Suarez needs to learn that he's one of 10 men on the pitch and quit trying to do everything himself. I'm sure he's feeling the pressure, but if he would just play the game a bit rather than always trying to nutmeg everyone he (and we) would be far better off.

02 Sep 2012 17:08:31
Just to remind everyone that we are meant to be 2 x more competitive games into the season than Arsenal.... So can anyone explain how they looked fitter and sharper. Diaby hasn't played first team football for a year, jenkinson is about 3 rd choice right back, the goalie is 2 nd or 3rd choice and as for mertesacker, I've seen milk turn faster. It doesn't look good for the season. mid table if we're lucky on what I witnessed today.

Half way thru the first half, did u see sahin give up chasing diaby cos he couldnt catch him? jesus wept

Everyone always looks fitter than us- it's been this way for years, particularly against the lower teams. They always seem to have energy, pace, and enthusiasm a plenty while our players look dead by minute 70.

We need a better conditioning coach, I think.

02 Sep 2012 17:08:22
forget drogba we send carroll on loan to safe 5mil a year.and give him playing time so we can sell him next season.
drogba will require 10mil a year fsg wont allow that to happen.
suarez is not a number 9 when we bought we new he wasnt thats why we had carroll.suarez will score goals playing in the borini role with johnson attacking behind him.
you cant blame suarez he needs a striker to link up with.
allen is a world class player what a good buy.
we will have to wait untill januari and hope that we are 6/7 points behind the top 4 and kick on from there.

Allen was superb. i dont know how thats done in a team performance that was that bad.

02 Sep 2012 17:02:18
So heres my match analysis:
First of all, as disappointing as the result may be I would like to start with the positives that are easily over shadowed by the loss.
For me the stand out positive from the match was the promise of an Allen/Sahin partnership those two for me were calm and collect and form a solid base of our midfield which with Lucas sat behind the two only increases the strength of the midfield.
Secondly, the passing before the goal was increasing in fluidity, more dominant and more confidant.
Borini, in the first ten minutes didn't shy away a having a crack at a long range and then a tight angled shot but then seemed to fade off after which was rather disappointing, shows to me he needs to switch roles with Suarez, whom I will come to later.
Defensively (Agger, Skrtel, Johnson and Enrique) showed much of the same as last season, dominanant with a couple of silly personal mistakes but thankfully not as serious as the ones that have dogged our previous matches.
Another stand out positive of the match up their with allen and sahin is young Sterling:
Another energetic performance and well justified selection, I hope we can keep our hands on the starlet.

Now, the flaws of today's match.
Firstly, Reina, this guy need to buck up his ideas, several times his mistakes have cost us. Is it complacency? We can't exactly drop him for jones, can we? Not exactly keeping Reina on his toes.
Next, Gerrard, now being the hero that he is, it pains me to say that he shouldn't be playing every game anymore. Personally speaking I can't remember the last time he really did something special, something that made Gerrard the legend he is.
Today he gave away the ball resulting to the first goal, and didnt look like the player he once was, his spark that ignited the team lights weaker every game.

Suarez, played terrible today, bad first touch, poor passing, the centre backs handled him well today a lack lustre performance.

No bite to our attack, exactly the same as last season under dalglish, positive build up only to be let down by a poor finish without a sting. Obviously messed up by not getting Dempsey, or anybody to replace Carroll.
And the subs bench- dear god. Downing was the best name on the bench, downing, the player that got 0 assists or goal last premier league campaign, was our "game changer"
Couldnt even change maxi Rodriguez's boots. BR has said he wants to give the youngsters chance, so where was suso? Pacheco? Ngoo? Any attack minded youngster with nothing to lose and everything to prove. Seriously annoyed at the lack of options.
Lastly, the point that needs addressing urgently, the way we crumbled after the first goal went in, lost all previous confidence on the ball. Even after the second half began when we could have come out all guns blazing we succumbed to arsenals pressure. Became the dreadfully average team we are too used to seeing.
Ok so arsenal were good today maybe making our performance seem dull but we need to buck up our ideas. Maybe I know nothing but I feel borini should switch with Suarez, and drop Gerrard to the bench,
Sterling on the left, downing on the right, borini playing up front, Suarez playing in the pocket between the MF and ST where he seems to drifts into anyway, then Allen and Sahin being our midfield maestros. 4-2-1-3 formation. Gerrard on the bench with assaidi, shelvey Henderson, Coates, Kelly and jones.
It's not all doom and gloom, a few minor tweaks, building on the solid foundations of defence and centre midfield we can/ need to keep fighting.

Hirst.

I agree with most of what you said, but disagree with Arsenal being good today. They were not at all good- the first goal was a complete defensive failure andvthe second was more of an OG from Reina than anything. That's the disappointing thing- as bad as Arsenal was and as much as they were there for the taking, we were completely unable to capitalize.

02 Sep 2012 17:01:28
haha I thought Borini was gonna score a brace in a 5-1 drubbing lool.
I came on here last year and when i said arsenal had better quality and strength in depth than liverpool and got murdered on here. people sayin that wivout van Persie we would be relegated bla bla bla buh we beat you by playin in 2nd gear. Diaby was godd along wiv arteta buh giroud hasnt settled in and we have Wilshere, Sagna and Szceney tocome back. You can have Sahin we dont need him hahah Up the Gooners Liverpool to get relegated

Islington Gooner

At least we won more trophies in 7 years that you lot! Singred

You were poor. Unfortunately, we were worse.

Borini won't score 5 all season so who ever said he would score today,must be another clubs supporter .or he's in there dream team

Yeah great post, you havent got a 3rd gear. btw, take the er off your name.

Year never a truer word said, BY A BOON!!

02 Sep 2012 23:05:25
Not being funny but webb was on ur side today i really hate that moron, And are time will come pal dont worry bwt that and it will be us laughing at u

ACHILLES

02 Sep 2012 16:55:04
What about anelka ? Where did he end up ?

Johnty {Ed002's Note - In China at Shenhua.}

02 sep 2012 16:54:14
this is sucha huge joke. fsg really need to get their strategies right. clearly they are out of their depth. fsg cannot keep firing and blaming someone comoli, dalglish and now ayre. is brendan next? he's decent but far from what we need. he doesn't even have european managing pedigree. it's one thing to have an idea with a manifesto but another to put it into action. fsg is not "man-ing up and taking responsibility', instead they blame someone to avert the wrath of fans. i dunno how much more patience a fan like me has to have. every season it is work in progress, wait and please believe in the manager. b*******. liverpool lacks consistency and consistency is what bring in the titles esp the coveted epl title. so before we go saying ynwa, think abt the lie that we have been fed that things are better when it cleary is not. stop this buy young policy(for now) and instead buy some decent epl proven players. we seem to have so much potential but it is barelt=y used. i can still rmb us winning 2-0 against arsenal ard the same time last yr. since owen, torres was the only prolific striker we've had. i dun see anything going up from here, a thin squad with little cover in front.

spiftz

02 Sep 2012 16:53:47
When are people going to wake up? We are in the bottom 3 with no strikers who are capable of scoring and we are playing a 17 year old talent because we had a rubbishe transfer policy buying expensive english crap two years ago.

Downing, unbelievably rubbishe, always has been. I was dumbfounded 2 years ago when we paid £20m for him and I still can't believe it. I must be in a nightmare......

Henderson. His value was and is no more than £5m n a good day.

Carroll. HOw on earth can BR allow him to go out when we only have 2 recognised strikers and arguably one of them i't a striker, he is a creator (when he isn't greedy anyway!).

I am furious with people who continue to believe that an unproven manager with a manual has the capability to delivery even survival with the support of owners who simply do not have deep enough pockets.

The owners said we can compete with anyone financially - Really? yeah right! What a load of crap.

They are now tyingt o do everything on the cheap because of the transfer farce of the last two years and quite frankly it isn't going to work, full stop......

BR was the cheap option. What will it take for everyone to realise that he and the plan (is there really one??) isn't the answer? Relegation?

THere are only a handful of managers who have the knowledge and ability to deliver anything with LFC at this time and we couldn't afford them, end of.....

I don't know if they know it, but FSG are on the edge of losing big time. Financially, the support of the people who spend hard earned money, and the manager who has clearly been shafted.......

We have been consistently bad really only showing a glimpse of hope in the City game, if that consistency continues, we will be living a nightmare in the CHampionship next year.

I hear people saying "it's only 3 games", well, I am prepared to bet that we will be in the bottom 6 at Xmas based on current performances because we have no plan B or striking options.

Any takers?

ConnorsLFC

A lot of us have woken up and realised that Kenny, no disrespect to the man, couldn't cut it the second time of asking. The players Comolli bought were poor and overpriced. Rodgers has a heck of job managing the squad he's stuck with; he's not even into 5 games and you're already condemning him...I'm ashamed of fans like you. Singred

I can go and buy a haynes manual from the shop but it wont make me into a mechanic

Connors

Case in point - Carroll, Henderson, Downing, all the players you mentioned in your post were bought by Kenny and Comolli. Even if you brought in Mourinho, what could he do?

Singred

02 Sep 2012 16:45:11
Ed002 regarding your institutionalised comment...

I for one am sickened by the persons that are tarnishing the Liverpool name first of all. It's truly disgusting, but twitter is a realm of attention seekers and stalkers isn't it?

I think it's pretty obvious that the writing is on the wall for LFC this season. By Jan 1st we'll be miles away from Europe and a striker will only help to save face.

Maybe Rodgers is at fault, not FSG - but there hasn't been a statement to clarify this Ed002...

Lee YNWA {Ed002's Note - It was not "institutionalised" I said Lee but "institutional ownership" - the quick exit route if the fans get what they want and force FSG to sell.}

02 Sep 2012 17:07:16
When assaidi come available replace him with stewart downing on the bench and have samed yesil n adam morgan on the bench or playing cos today there was lack of option aswell as other things.

ACHILLES.

02 Sep 2012 17:06:58
we need our players to be seting up chances for suarez and he will put them away , but at the moment he has to do everything himself at the moment , he win the ball dribbles with makes his own opening and makes his own chances and then most fans get on his back becasue he is not scoring , untill he has to stop making the chances himself then he wont score more goals , he is having to think too much about beating a player instead of were he is going to put the ball in the net

mickey b

He's far too greedy in my opinion, he shoots far too often without hitting the target. I'd play play Borini up top and force Suarez to play out wide, because he can take people on where Borini is more a specialist of putting the ball in the net.

How is it that everyone sees this but Rodgers? That is one of my biggest worries. Either BR is just a poor manager or he sees something we all don't? Does anyone agree with BR that Borini should play wide with Suarez as lone striker?

02 Sep 2012 17:06:55
Hi Edd's

I will probably get shot down for this but what is the problem with bringing Michael Owen back on a pay as you play basis. OK he played for our biggest and most hated rivals but does'nt him winning the fa cup for us and the amount of goals he scored for us equal this out.His goals could be the difference between us fiinshing in the top six or facing the embarrasement of finishing around twelfth(or worse).We don't appear to have many other options apart from putting massive pressure on our youngsters and throwing them in the deep end and we have got four competitons to contend with.

JR Red. {Ed001's Note - because he is a complete and utter tool. He held the club to ransom repeatedly in his time here, forcing us to sell Fowler, then forcing his way out when it suited him. The sooner the crock retires to run his stables, the better for all.}

Well that's me told. Thank's edd 01

JR Red.

Totally agree.

we dont want him back!

I pressed agree by accident, I was actually agreeing with Ed 001!

I'm going to take a more simplistic view of Michael Owen than Ed1 did.

Let water under the bridge be water under the bridge for a second. And think:

1) Would Owen be first choice?

No. He wouldn't. Rodgers plays with one striker, and his preference is Suarez. And second choice is to move Borini into the middle.

2) So what would Owen be?

He'd be a back up player. Now I'm sure he'd accept a largely appearance based contract, so that's not the issue. What is an issue is the fact that in order for him to be match fit without being first choice, we'd have to play him in 'less important' matches like League Cup and maybe Europa group games. That's valuable game time we could be giving to Morgan or Yesil instead. Now, arguably that would be worth it to have an experienced back up player available. Except Owen is quite injury prone. So there is a really good chance that he will either be injured or be lacking match fitness because he was injured earlier in the season when we do need him for an important game.

Because of that, in my opinion, it isn't worth whatever his basic wage would be, even if was £5k a week, and blocking Morgan's progress as a player to have Owen around. He is just not dependable enough to be our back-up striker. If his fitness could be depended on, then yes, I'd give it a go. But it can't be.

Florent Sinama-Pongolle (also on a free, I might add) would be better than Owen. Actually scratch that - I'd prefer Heskey, cos at least he's fit.

Should we sign either of those? No. Of course not. So no Owen for me.

- Something Red -

I agree, but i think if he came back and started scoring goals it wouldn't take us long to forget all that.

x

Out of curiosity, how did Owen influence God's departure from the club?

Adam {Ed001's Note - {Ed001's Note - he would throw his toys out of the pram every time Fowler played, the club had bought Heskey to keep him happy and he seemed to think it should be Owen and Heskey as first choice. It got to the point where it was decided it would be best to move Fowler on, though Houllier and Thompson feared a fans' backlash if they sold God. Hence the quite deliberate and pathetic reason that was cooked up to get rid without losing the fans. That was why Fowler was dropped even after scoring and playing well, Owen hated playing alongside him. In my opinion, it was down to his desire to have all the glory for himself, Heskey would play for Owen's sake, Fowler would steal the limelight and was beloved of the fans. Owen was never able to get in the hearts of the fans the way Fowler did.}

Crikey, what a little twerp.

I loved Robbie as a kid and remember the press conference that announced his departure, I think he was nearly crying.

We could do with him back now in a coaching role or even as a scout looking for some young strikers.

Adam

02 Sep 2012 16:51:19
Very poor performance , no determination or spirit , reina another easy mistakes + he could saved the 2 goals + should be dropped , enrique just go forward with the ball and then return it back + can't cross , gerrard too many mistakes not the inspiring stevie anymore , borini can't even find any positives for him simply he isn't good enough to wear liverpool's shirt , downing make good runs but thinks alot when he pasts a defender , suarez needs like 6 chances to score , no attacking options on the bench , i don't know where are assaidi , joe cole , pacheco ? Owners are miserly stingy , Ian Ayre can't even finish a top signing .I Can't find any positives except for Allen and sterling , more to come from sahin when he settles . I can't find us going any forward we're gonna fight relegation this season not top 4 ! Now owners bring in drogba ( although i know he's on very high wages ) or get the hell out .. the eds simple answer is that drogba in on high wages plus signing on fee plus 2 years contract , if you have another answer then i'd like to know it ! YNWA
Esso

02 Sep 2012 16:50:12
Same old Liverpool. No matter what players are bought they remain in consistent.

Suarez is talented, but very predictable now and needs something new. Stop the greed, stop the fancy turns just shoot the ball.

Downing is an absolute drain in wages.

How embarrassing when a 17 year old keeps out shining seasoned premiership footballers.

A 17 year old on probably 10% the wages of our captain. Sometimes I'd rather almost see us sell anyone on over 90k a week and replaced by the reserves/youth.

02 Sep 2012 16:49:09
IMO I think if we went knocking on the door of Mr Owen or Mr Drogba they would hold us to ransom over wages knowing we need a goal scorer, OK so we left the back door open at Fortress Anfield today and maybe Luis Suarez could lift his head a little see what other options are available, but give it them a chance lads I don't want a relagation battle as I'm sure FSG or BR doesn't, so I have to believe we will gather momentum - maybe not 4th - but things will improve. YNWA
KernowRed

02 Sep 2012 16:48:51
Apparently Rodgers was asked in his press conference after the game if he would have let Carroll go knowing that he wouldn't get a replacement, he answered no. When asked if he had been confident of signing a striker by the end of the window he replied yes, very.
Obviously this just confirms that someone upstairs has made quite a large screw up.

Ali, London

Yep, problem was no one was upstairs, where exactly were they then . . .

02 Sep 2012 16:48:41
what the hell is happening, we never looked like winning today and to be honest havent done so for a while now, we lose out on every 50/50 ball and every clearance drops to the other team, our keeper is prone to simple mistakes, our defenders back off(and they are supposed to be worth over 20 mil apiece?), our strikers cant shoot on target(except sterling) and our midfield is a shambles(except allen) whats gone so wrong and do we have to finally admit we are no longer challengers but mid table also rans? we need a real shake up and the yanks need to stop messing about and either back us or ship out as for ayre i know he did well for us with H&G

02 Sep 2012 16:48:17
Suarez was woefull today one of the m most overrated players ever should have solfataras him and buy someone who knows how to score

02 Sep 2012 16:53:28
the B.R post match interview

The Reds boss felt poor decision making was to blame for the defeat, inflicted by goalscorers Lukas Podolski and Santi Cazorla.

"It's about decision making," said Rodgers. "The goals we conceded, it's got nothing to do with style, nothing to do with systems, nothing to do with the tactical element of the game. We gave the ball away and then we didn't recover well enough to stop the shot.

"For the second goal, we had enough bodies behind the ball to defend the goal.

"And we created enough chances but were not clinical enough. There is a lot of good to come from the game but we lost and we need to improve.

"We'll get better as our season progresses. It was always going to be a difficult start.

"I have an inherent belief in this way of working, and I've had success with it. Over time here, that will be the same. These are the hard yards that you've got to put in early on and take the flak for."

Asked for his thoughts on a transfer deadline day in which Liverpool did not capture the striking reinforcement they had hoped for, Rodgers replied: "It's something that's gone now.

"We all know we needed reinforcements and the players needed help, but the window is shut, we can't do anything about it now.

"My only concentration is with the players that are here, and they've been fantastic. They've given me absolutely everything every day and I couldn't ask for any more from them.

"We've got what we've got. A lot of young players are going to get an opportunity.

"Raheem Sterling, I thought, was terrific today.

"Joe Allen and Cazorla were the two best players on the field, the two little guys, the technicians.

"We've got some other young players and that's where we're at. I'm not here to cry. I can't do anything about it. The reality is we've got the group we've got.

"I am very proud to manage this club and I want to fight to keep us improving and moving forward.

"My fight to keep the supporters proud and keep the great name of Liverpool going forward is something that I've made my life.

"What has happened has happened, we'll reflect on it as a club and hopefully come January and the next window we can transition the group that allows us to compete."

Rodgers was also asked whether he would consider a move for any free agents that were available, and names such as Michael Owen and Didier Drogba were thrown at him.

He said: "Any player I believe can improve the squad I will look at. We've got a very small group, 19 players training yesterday morning, and some very young players in and amongst that. I can't say no, I always have to look and see where we can improve the group."

I will not support any team with judas owen in it

02 Sep 2012 16:53:27
P.S

In my opinion, only ONE of the three players we were strongly linked with MAY have made a difference today. To be honest, that would probably apply to the remainder of the season.

Sturridge.

Later kids

DaveyBootle

Sturridge is over hyped!.

02 Sep 2012 16:53:15
Look, get a grip guys and be supporters!

We didn't win didn't play badly.

Yes we don't have a striker - I'm told major attempts will now take place in January.... Within budgetary constraints...the likes of Walcott and two others will be targetted.

As for Stevie G - he is a legend, so there is no need to slate him. Last week he and the team played really well against Man City.

Let's not have short memories, give the team and manager more time.... The only way BR will be gone is if he resigns.

I'm aware he thinks he's been let down in the transfer market but he also got players in and out. FSG are not looking to let him go - they don't want to pay anymore compensation to managers who have been sacked.... RH pocketed nearly 7 million don't you know!

We ran on a loss last year and resources are tight.... It's belt buckling time until we have shipped out the high earners who are lining the bench.

MULDER

We all know Stevie G is a legend, but age is creeping up on him, and he cant turn a game around like he used to.
Think Shelvey shudda played instead of Sahin who was a bystander for most of the game!

02 Sep 2012 16:52:40
Good first half, very poor second. Think Borini should have been the central player and Suarez out on the flank. Shelvey, Sterling, Allen & Johnson all had a good game. Didn't really see the point of swapping Borini for Downing. We went worse and it was only the introduction of Shelvey that brought us back up again. Reina was very unfortunate. Enrique seems to serve little purpose. RED LENIN

Reina unfortunate?

How many more clangers will he drop this season.

02 Sep 2012 16:52:02
Eds fellow reds . Should think ourselves lucky we have such a big squad ,because we might of ended up with van persie.

02 Sep 2012 16:40:13
Is ed002 a spokesperson for fsg u cant defend that bench today that was a disgrace . Have the redsox got one pitcher for the season our season is over {Ed002's Note - You have clearly misread something - I have not mentioned "the bench".}

Even i am thinking the same! ed 002 u have good grasp of all things footballing business related but...fsg have completely screwed us...get rafa back now i say! nothing will bring us back because he is no-nonsense guy win at any cost...not just keep passing ball philosophy guy...we played some most attractive attacking football under him too because he knew we had those players untill then he kept building the team keeping us in champs league at whatever cost..trying to out do chelsea and man u with jose and alex in charge...arsenal and tottenham were distant 4th and 5th to us! get him back now ! or just wait another 10 games when we will be languishing around 10th-12th place atleast then {Ed002's Note - I have already pontificated on the fans who want Brendan Rodgers out. Also I recognise we are seeing posts about FSG out, Gerrard's career over, Sahin not Liverpool quality etc.. Oh well.}

02 Sep 2012 16:43:44
I think people are going way over the top on the pessimism, overall I thought we played pretty well until we went 2-0 down, some players had an off day for us but we were against Arsenal who we usually do rubbishe against (1 win in last 10 I think) and we are just getting used to a new system. Wait till late October or early November before accessing how we are doing as it will take time.

Ska-oop

P.s. Loving Sterling and Allen (well worth 15M imo)
P.p.s. Stop complaining about FSG not acting like sugar daddy's they are never going to be like that, and remember H+G and Woy in charge and see how we are slowly getting back to were we want to be.

If after that performance you think we are getting back to where we want to be, then you are disilusional

Your an person. Take your rose tinted specs, you probably said the same last year. We will never get any where with these owners if they cant back the manager and sanction a small sum deal like Dempsey. They are a disgrace. Bottom line they cant put us where we want to be.

I think the pessimism comes largely from the fact that many (including me) can't see us getting more than maybe a point from the next two games, which would leave us at 2 points out of 15 and likely bottom of the table. There is no catalyst in site that can change this either, unless maybe Assaidi or by some miracle the 18 year old kid turn out to be Messi-like.

02 Sep 2012 16:43:23
I genuinely think we have had a very unfair pick of games the team are not allowed to gel after a win over a mediocre team, they find themselves in the deep very very quickly.
I don't think we played bad but you get the feeling there are not a lot of options on the bench that could help our strike force. Yes and here it comes the owners and Ayre are to blame for this, they have to take responsibility for this awkward situation they have put the team in.
Since last season and all season the cry all the time was for a striker, which cost us fourth place, and what happened still no STRIKER!
We should all suck it up now, make the best of what we have support everyone and give it a good go in January. It was not a pleasant site today in Anfield hope the owners were watching. Ed what is your take on things? thanks
hisbylfc {Ed001's Note - my take is that we need to grasp the nettle and drop Gerrard, we can't keep carrying him in the hope he will perform one piece of magic to rescue us. Enrique needs to get back to the form he showed last season, right now Downing looks a better option at left back. We need to look at the keeper's situation too, something is not right with Reina, either fix it or replace him, either or, I don't care which so long as it is done and quickly. Other than that, it is not so bad, though I would like to see Borini central and Suarez on the right. Morgan needs to be on the bench instead of Carra, that is pointless, it is a waste of a space there when Coates and Kelly are on it.}

"Hope the owners were watching", this is part of the problem, we need owners who are watching and care whether or not LFC are winning the game . . . maybe FSG should stick to BASEball . . .

Ed001 for manager! Couldn't agree more- Gerrard needs to sit on the bench, Borini is a poacher not a winger, Suarez is a creator not a pure striker (he's also got way too much pressure on him to score, causing him to do stupid things), Shelvey should be starting on merit, Reina has been awful for a while now, and at least one of Morgan, Assaidi, or the new kid should be on the bench.

Could not agree more ed that in a nutshell is what needs to happen. I would start Shelvey ahead of Gerrard at min he shows the drive and hunger that used to be Stevie's trademark, he's shadow of player once was.

I rarely agree with you Ed001, but I fully agree we need to drop Gerrard. How exactly you go about that, I don't know (with him being captain and all) and what affect it would have on the club. I said at the start of Rodger's tenure that what he does with Gerrard will define his Liverpool career.

Ash

Nonsense! Why not drop Borini instead? Play Gerrard right attack and bring another midfielder in? As of right now Borini looks like a 10m lightweight dud. Despite Gerrard hand in the first goal he still put a shift in, won great tackles and put some good balls in the box.

Agree. Why have Carragher on the bench?
Come on Brendan, grow a pair and leave him out. Also drop Gerrard and Reina for a few matches. Give Shelvey more of a chance!

To Ed001, I agree with our comments. Let's hope BR is brave and confident enough to make them calls. Enrique on bench, maybe, Carragher great servant but too much of a liability now and I think Gerrard should still play but maybe the holding role and let Allen play further upfield. I have laughed a lot at those fans slating Joe Allen before he joined, mid-table reject, another Hodgson move etc. who now love him. Also, the slating of Borini, not good enough to wear the shirt comments are ignorant. He is only 21 and needs time to settle and was probably going to be eased in rather than be burdened to deliver as a main striker immediately. Love the site btw

I've said for weeks now reina needs to be replaced (I'd go for Al-Habsi top performer week in week out), you can see he doesn't want to be here anymore his body language and his demeanour says it all to me, betcha somebody puts a decent offer in he'll go - probs back to spain, he's playing for a route out so we should give it to him before he lets us down anymore and gerrard well he needs to get a taste of the bench we'll play better without him now lucas for skipper for me when gerrard plays its all about him, been a great servant for the club admittedly but all good things come to an end.

02 Sep 2012 16:42:57
Hi eds/everyone,

Another bad game today, reina need to be dropped also Gerrard, still very confused getting rid of Carroll, kuyt, maxi and Bellamy with out getting better cover, what happened to our new morroccan winger?

Lfc fan from Cardiff.

02 Sep 2012 16:42:45
2 points i would like to make

1. i don't blame FSG or H&G i blame Moores,i hope he is happy counting his 50 pieces of silver

2. We looked tired after 30mins given that we are goin to be in 4 competitions which equates to playing 2 - 3 games within 10days plus travel the squad will not be able to deal with that & pushing such a small squad will end up with players being injured.

Haha still blaming Hicks and Gillette? They've gone! I thought these new owners were the real deal? Apparently not.

02 Sep 2012 16:41:36
Our midfield is very good of passing and holding the ball but top midfielders score goals and that's what we lack.
It's all good putting the blame on strikers but midfielders are equal to blame.
We have a good midfield but not a world class one.

Totally agree with you mate. Personally I think Steven Gerrard needs a break and someone of the calibre that you're talking about needs to come straight in, Possibly Suso, You never know, Joe Allen, sahin and him could click really well together.

Ciso YNWA

02 Sep 2012 16:46:27
The fact we have to look for free agents after the close of the window is pathetic. The owners aren't scared to spend the cash if its releasing a member of staff but weren't willing to pay up a couple of extra million for Dempsey? They now hold Ian Ayre responsible ? When is it ever FSG's fault. People fail to realise despite BR and KD spending over £100m between them, a large amount of that was funded through player sales, leaving the squad very thin.

Last point..what isit with Liverpool manager's insisting on using strikers as wingers? There is nothing about Borini that tells me he's capable of playing out wide. Hes a poacher with good finishing abilities - better than Suarez's so why play him out of position. Suarez clearly isn't a striker..hes more creative.

Amz

Feel sorry for Borini.
Play him in the right position Brendan!

02 Sep 2012 16:46:09
Hi Eds

Well it looks as if the fans fears were realised today.We never really seemed to get going.We never really looked like we were going to score. Did not create enough clear chances for me.

Major positives of the day were again Sterling .Never gave up.
Allen . !5mill was money well spent his passing was superb all day.

Summary
We have to be patient .Yes I think we all agree that we should have ensured we had a striker lined up before we allowed AC to go on loan . We are playing some decent stuff but once again individual errors keep costing us.
Goals is going to be another issue . I don't know where they are going to come from ?
I know that this is not going to go down well but I would bring back owen until jan .This at least will give us another option.
I still believe we have a really good manager.

REDFORLIFE

02 Sep 2012 16:46:06
well we can't bury our heads in the sand anymore, our so called top players are not so top after all, our attack is the easiest to nullify in the prem, obviously this team and players can play well for long periods, but could someone explain to them it means nothing if its all going to be undone with elementary mistakes.

geton

02 Sep 2012 16:35:02
lets hope the owners know something we dont . Today we had creativity but no execution , we need a goal scorer not a genius but just a player to be in the right place at the right time. We always look for the goal of the season when any goal will do , a player out of contract needed fast or we are in s**t street

02 Sep 2012 16:34:41
eds, as we have to sign a free transfer by tommorrow, is the a web page or a list of players availiable for us fans to browse, to give us some hope. however is still believe we will be ok if no one signs, but just some hard games at the start of the season. thanks {Ed002's Note - Search the site for "tinyurl".}

02 Sep 2012 16:28:24
i`ve got to say that all the people moaning about all the passing back wasn`t justified even after the mistake against city,
but if that is the way BR wants them to play building from the back then so be it
what i couldn`t help but notice, arsenal like to build from the back but not once did they pass back to their goalie, their defenders looked composed and always had an outlet other than the pass back,
our movement was poor, even when we do manage to get into the last third there wasn`t players showing like the arsenal forwards were

02 Sep 2012 16:24:58
Well lads, it's fair to say that we played like a bunch of strangers today! Allen again was the shinning light :) the tika taka football went out the window and we looked like the stretched Liverpool of last season, worryingly Suarez coming deep back to goal showed us how the pattern of play would pan out, Arsenal looked short of ideas until we basically gave up on any type of football, afterwards it was a stroll for them.. Gerrard dosnt look interested, Reina has to be dropped, Sterling again impressive but it's clearly a rebuilding job.. I would like to know what the hell happened on Friday, I think it's owed to the fans to be transparant here! (any ideas Eds)

02 Sep 2012 16:24:25
I got abused for suggesting that this job was above BR, well, 1 in 9 says I was right. FSG don't appear to have the resources to address this, if they had they would have appointed someone like Mourinho and provided the funds to really go for top 4/title. As it is, BR was the cheap option and he has been had over by the owners, as have we the fans.

The reality is that this team and the owners are not capable to delivering top 4 at his time. They do not have the knowledge or the finances, so we will havet o get used to being second best regularly for the foreseable future.

I just hope that we don't end up fighting relegation and paying the ultimate price.

Final word for the owners......wake up and smell t coffee.......

ConnorsLFC.

02 Sep 2012 16:22:10
Hi ed looking at the rumours of Michael Owen returning is there any truth in him coming back? Surely his our only option can still get goals and that's what we need! Please post and reply thanks tommy b {Ed002's Note - I have no idea at this time if there is interest in Mr Owen returning to Liverpool. Clearly he is looking for a new club, but equally he has been out of decent form for some time. What would the backlash be from the fans?}

Pay as u play ( and score) how can we lose

02 Sep 2012 16:15:17
most of liverpool fans on this site since arsenal defeat are complete persons. sack this one and that one, owners out and so on. three game only gone, new manager and new system, takes time, unlike your fifa 12 playstation. br will get it right, hard start to the season, sunderland away next not an easy place to go.
allen is class. if we can add one world class player to our team each season add some exciting young players from our youth system, hold on to our players that we have then we are going in right direction. 70 pts is the target this season, will we get it, probably not but not completly ruling it out.
cant wait for sunderland game.

B O H

You must be mad ,we have a terrible record at the stadium of light ,and that's with team that can play a bit

We're going to get hammered by Sunderland I fear. Johnson and Fletcher will both have points to prove and our squad will likely have 0 confidence.

02 Sep 2012 16:41:17
Im sure we have a striker called yesil who we bought before deadline day and by all accounts hes had rave reviews in germany and we know the germans know a footballer when they see them. But as always he is too young at 18 to throw him in because he isn't ready yet or his body hasnt fully developed and he may pick up an injury here and there. Load of absolute garbage, get them in the team and see what they are all about, never know just might be an absolute gem. Sick of it!

Ian the red

02 Sep 2012 16:40:44
Eds, can you please clarify a couple of points - firstly, do we have to sell Carroll if West Ham decide that they want to keep him? Secondly, is there any chance at all of adding to our squad before January or are all squads fixed with the league now? I'd be grateful for answers as I don't want to add false hope to these feelings of gloom!

{Ed006's Note - On Carroll, I think that if they stay up then he will be signed if they want him still. Yes, we can still pick up free agents (Owen and Drogba have been rumoured).

02 Sep 2012 16:38:12
4-3-3 reina
Jhonson-skertal-agger-enrique
Allen-sahin
Shelvey
Assaidi-suarez-sterling
Alot of energy and 2 players that will make us play in mid allen and sahin i think this should be the new starting line up havent seen assaidi yet but on todays performane you would have to think he will play better than what borrini did today altho i do think he will come good STEMLOCC1

02 Sep 2012 16:38:07
We've had an unlucky start (Fixtures) and we have difficult games coming up too but remember how Arsenal started last season and they still finished in the Top 4. I know they had RVP but i believe if Suarez/Borini can get on a scoring run then they had contribute enough until January when we can sign an 'out-and-out' goalscorer.
Keep believing and supporting and we'll get our rewards

Hans

I'm glad we are playing the big boys now because they are a bit sluggish thereselfs if it was mid season we would have a -30 goal difference

02 Sep 2012 16:37:40
no centre forward = no goals
owen available
probably cheaper than drogba
Go and get him

Sinama available.

Cheaper than Owen and probably not an injury crock.

- Something Red -

02 Sep 2012 16:35:49
In case you are wondering why BR spent most of the 1st half sat on the advertising hoardings. This was because FSG/Ayre sold his seat but did not have a replacement lined up in time;

02 Sep 2012 16:35:34
BR looking down the barrel of a gun after three results, ok we play some nice football but all that really matters is the results.

Whoever allowed our only other senior striker to leave before a replacement was signed needs showing the door, we struggled last season to score goals and we haven't added to our squad in that department, when teams work out how to defend against our style we will have even less chances not that it matters as our current strikers are just not clinical enough, it is early days but forget CL FSG you could just have to think about us being lucky to make a Europa place but on present form I truly think by Xmas we could be in the bottom six and the manager and owners heads being called for, I truly thought we had turned the corner with BR but they have truly screwed him by failing to secure the players. I am a fan through and through but feel very let down by the owners, Steve G and a few others today either had an off day or are feeling the same as many fans and it is showing in their performances.
Lanarth

02 Sep 2012 16:35:32
we havnt been the same since xabi alonso left then mascherano sadtimes head fellas.

02 Sep 2012 16:31:36
Very poor performance , no determination or spirit , reina another easy mistakes + he could saved the 2 goals + should be dropped , enrique just go forward with the ball and then return it back + can't cross , gerrard too many mistakes not the inspiring stevie anymore , borini can't even find any positives for him simply he isn't good enough to wear liverpool's shirt , downing make good runs but thinks alot when he pasts a defender , suarez needs like 6 chances to score , no attacking options on the bench , i don't know where are assaidi , joe cole , pacheco ? Owners are miserly stingy , Ian Ayre can't even finish a top signing .I Can't find any positives except for Allen and sterling , more to come from sahin when he settles . I can't find us going any forward we're gonna fight relegation this season not top 4 ! Now owners bring in drogba ( although i know he's on very high wages ) or get the hell out .. the eds simple answer is that drogba in on high wages plus signing on fee plus 2 years contract , if you have another answer then i'd like to know ! YNWA
Esso {Ed002's Note - Drogba will only become available if he leaves China with agreement that the club were in breach of contract, not if it is by mutual consent. If he leaves by mutual consent I would expect him to re-appear in the United States.}

Couldn't agree more ? Can't see were a win is coming from, next five games we could quite easily lose all of them !

Baz F

Thank you my best ed002 , now we're in a dilemma what do you think could be the relievers till jan?
Esso {Ed002's Note - I am yet to be convinced that free agents are the way forward.}

02 Sep 2012 16:30:49
Eds! Great job, been checking this website 20 times a day in the last 2 months; I would want Liverpool to give BR time even if we finish 10th this season cuz we don't have the kind of money to do quick fixes, so let's accept it we have to be patient and give managers time, I guess Rafa should have been given another season, and so do I think for Kenny... The real culprits are the ones who failed to do critical business. Ayre people say - let's get behind the team; BR's philosophy clicking in, love Allen on the ball, Raheem Sterling has been great throughout; we just need a clinical finisher... Suarez has great feet but he is not a great finisher (need to work on that) and also Borini, not good enough (yet). Eds! I am very upset :( but I'm not the one to give up and I have seen a lot of positives so far) is there any positive that I have missed in terms of money being available for Jan or Ayre being sacked (if it was his fault not to replace AC) or anyone to come in) thanks Eds! Please include this on the sight and enlighten us -
Shehram Red! YNWA {Ed002's Note - January is a distance away right now.}

02 Sep 2012 16:30:31
Sahin should not have started, Jonjo should have. Jose, Stevie and Suarez were well below par.Teams coming here will just sit back because like last year we cannot offer enough in final third. Well done to young Sterling , Allen and Jonjo. Seems more like last week was the once off instead of the other games. I think Kelly should be given a longer run with Johnson switching to the left. Jose not good enough and lacks right attitude.
Rough times still to come but keep the faith.
Well done to all the Ed's, great work.

Irish Red for life, good & bad.

02 Sep 2012 16:29:23
i understand that Reina got a touch on the ball and then the ball went in. do remember that most goalkeepers wouldnt even get a touch from Cazorla's shot. Reina being able to get a touch was already something. the problem was that Cazorla wasnt even supposed to be allowed to shoot. how did he get into the box so easily?

lets just hope we get better.

Kaizer

Got a touch on it ! it went under him and in off his elbow, you probably should have watched it before you posted this !!

wardie

Honestly it may have been an OG even. Hard to tell, but if Reina had missed it completely it may have went well wide. Any of the real top keepers in the league would have likely stopped both goals. Reina's reaction speed is pretty dire.

No he really shouldn't be beaten so easily at his near post

I could have kicked that shot away

02 Sep 2012 16:29:21
Watching Southampton game now and they play better football than us .

Then you'll enjoy every other weekend at St Marys... tatty bye.

02 Sep 2012 16:29:14
Thank God it's two weeks before our next game. Here's hoping that something happens to turn our seemingly droopy morale into a positive. There's always hope boys and girls...always hope ;)

02 Sep 2012 16:28:48
Missing persons report - Steven George Gerrard.
Last seen December 2009.
Please call Liverpool Football Club if you have any information regarding the matter. {Ed063's Note - This is brilliant!}

Disagree ,carried the team for long enough,should be able to have an quite game once in a while he is 31 mate

From what Gerrard's been saying in the papers recently.....seems like he's dwelling on the past too much, and what might have been if he'd moved to another club.

Give Shelvey a chance instead. Young and hungry, just like Stevie used to be !!

Exactly he's 31 and don't we always say no one's bigger than the club

02 Sep 2012 16:28:48
I personally thought Skrtl, Agger, Johnson, Allen, and Sterling played well today and Shelvey looked good when he came on too. Five of these six were bought by Rafa and always play well. I cant help but dream of where we'd be today if he had kept his job and been given the money we've spent in the last three years......shame on you to all the Rafa haters who hounded him out, I blame all of you!

ps FSG have me worried now, beginning to look very similar to H&G's reign

Jamie

Benitez got us into this mess! are you on crack!
hibsylfc

100 per cent right ho for the days when we were scoring 4 against madrid
soul man

He would have stayed and all those players would have left. He lost the dressing room and lost his assistant. Also clicking agree on your own post is a tad sad.

We would still be in the CL if Raffa was still here.

Can see why FSG would not give him the job. As he would sound them out

And the aquilani saga wouldnt have happened

Hibsylfc we were the number 1 seeded team in europe under Rafa, all the good players coming through the ranks now were bought by him too (Sterling, Shelvey, Suso) and he brought in Borrell and Sigura who have completely transformed the Academy.And no my friend i'm not on crack...

Jamie

02 Sep 2012 16:05:55
First of all can some so called"Fan's"please stop with the negitive post's.When BR took over he said it would'nt happen over night that it's a long project.We ALL need to give him and the team time to get used to the new system.We are Liverpool F.C,we have the BEST fan's in the world who always showed patience to any new manger or player but we need to start showing it and not getting on their back's.If the Great Bill or the Great Bob were alive the would be so shocked with the abuse SOME of the fan's are giving the team.I even heard some fan's booing at the end of the game.Now WTF is that about,whoever did that are not fan's.If you are not willing to give the team time then go follow Everton or the Mancs.It will probably be a very ugly season for us but we must ALL stick together because it will come good for the team and for us.So please,please stop withe the negative post's people.Get with BR and the team.Shout their name's till you cant shout anymore.Because when we do click and we WILL click,God help the other team's in the league.But for stick together cause we are Liverpool F.C...Rant over Ed's and Red's....YNWA!!

Even the fans in the stadium were shouting abuse towards fsg

Yeah Hodgson and Kenny both said the same but guess what happened next?

Why do people say go and support the mancs or everton if someone gives their opinions on the team,
you heard the fans booing because they pay their money and they are entitled to voice their opinion
what you need to remember is this is all in danger of falling flat very early on, i`m prepared to give them a chance and come match day i will be willing them on,
but it doesn`t take away the fact that this a very precarious situation, we do not look any better than last season and we are a weaker squad after the transfer window than before it

I agree, but I do think the fans have seen so little patience by any of the owners over the last 10 years or so that it begins to rub off. Who would have thought we would have had 4 managers in the last 3 or so years! I also think this weekend has been difficult and emotions are high. The ONLY way we are going to get back is to back Rodgers and judge him in 3 or 4 seasons time, chopping and changing will not improve things. This will mean we have dark days, weeks or even seasons but we must have consistency at the helm.

The trouble is mate is that brendan got it all wrong today with tactics and the biggest blunder lettin carroll go, its not that he needs time its that we need someone who knows what they are doin and not afraid to take risks

Your all what's, when's and ifs, we had that nonsense for years, its time to face reality son

jarney

Look at the back 5, all decent players but we have to protect them more and without Lucas we looked very suspect.

02 Sep 2012 16:05:36
I think everyone needs to get off Borini's back.

He's a good striker! What he isn't is a winger, side midfielder or second striker.

Liverpool have always had a knack for playing players in different position (which is fine), but with the wrong players.

Maybe we could swap Suarez and Borini?

What's the worst that could happen?

We can't score from open play anyway.

He is about as good as his job as Ian Jamco Ayre.

02 sep 2012 16:04:59
eds and liverpool fans.
why does it feel like we move two steps foward and then 5 steps back.
we sell players and do not replace them.
we that good player go though are fingers ie a johnson dempsey exe.

We have no money to spend! that's whats happened! most of our kitty was spent on Joe Allen! We have to sell to buy and the alarm bells are ringing and noboby of note wants to join us! We can now only attracted the likes of Borini!! enough said!

02 Sep 2012 16:04:44
no goals means relegation , i fear a doomsday senario , which is relegation , all relegated teams dont score goals , i cant see where our goals will come from tbh , we have a far weaker squad than last year , and have no goals in us , i do think we will be in relegation battle ! we need 3 attacking goals scorers in january window , look at swansea they bought michu , £ 2 million player , scored 4 goals already , why didnt we sign him , we are badly managed and its FSG fault !!!

If we'd have signed Michu the complaints from 'fans' would've been immense due to us buying an unknown player. Besides it's one thing scoring for Swansea where there's little pressure in comparison to playing for Liverpool where some people think we should beat every team 4-0.

Hans

Why is it FSG's fault? Money was made available - Ian Ayre didn't spend it. BR decided to send AC out on loan, it was BR's decision to release Kuyt, Bellamy and Maxi, not FSG - blame the players and manager, not the owners.

Rubbish , i agree with this post , michu will score goals all day long for any prem club , hes quality , and its the owners who brought in BR , its the owners who have said we have to sell players , and cut costs , u think, man city , man untd , chelsea , spurs , have these worries or owners that wont spend ? FSG are destroying this club , FSG out !!! {Ed002's Note - This summer Liverpool were the ninth highest spending club world-wide.}

02 Sep 2012 16:25:45
we are in desperate need of a striker maybe micheal owen or at a push heskey could save us this season.
and defoe in need of a new goalie that reina is a liability.

paulfc

Defoe is a keeper?! Singred

In desperate need of goals and you suggest Heskey......dear lord

Defoe as in definitely, a scouse thing you probably wouldn't understand..

paulfc

Wrong, pal! It's 'Defo' - for definitely, for sure. e.g. "Do you like her?" "DEFO!" not "defoe" - and it's not scouse, its slang - check your grammar! 'scouse thing you probably wouldn't understand...' PAH! Singred

02 Sep 2012 16:24:28
Hi eds,

Was just wandering if FSG are aware of all the abuse they are getting. Surely this will make them consider their future. I mean even Henrys wife has got it on twitter.

You should be ashamed of yourself

In what way are you Proud of that!!?

Lyndon

Well luk at malcolm glazier...united fans were singin songs about killin him and his family and he didnt giv in to cash
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{Ed002's Note - FSG are well aware of the abuse and the threats. By sometime tomorrow they will have had an update on the post match feedback from fans on various forums.}

Dont fink he reads this site mate {Ed002's Note - The owners have an agency in Hartford that provides feedback to them on press and fan reaction, reporting etc..}

Sorry, what's your point?

Disgusting sounds like some real persons out there!!

02 Sep 2012 16:23:40
No strikers,no goals,no hope. Mid table looks along way off.

Then get off at the next stop.

02 Sep 2012 16:23:31
Arry?

What good will he be up front ?

02 Sep 2012 16:22:55
Think its time for Gerrard to step back into a holding role now and let Allen and Sahin have free roles up front. Sorry to say but his legs are slowing down.

Sooty

Gerrard should be helping to hold the bench down so it doesn't float away.

02 Sep 2012 16:09:22
Did anyone see a post match interview with brendan rodgers? I would like to know what was said.

In his press conference he stated that if he had known he was not getting a replacement for Carroll, he would have NOT been sent out on loan. But, at the time he was 'very' confident in getting another player in. Rodgers does have the option of recalling Carroll in January. Hope that helps.

02 Sep 2012 16:03:57
where was the team that played city? what a difference a game makes allfc

02 Sep 2012 16:20:49
We were totally outclassed today!! Arsenal have not looked like scoring, but today our wayward defence, are wafer thin midfield and punchless forward line made it easy for them. I will tell you now Rodgers will relegate us!! Useless manager! All those so called big names we were going to get in the transfer window, who did we get? Joe Allan, who Rodgers use to manage and we paid well over the odd's for him! the clueless Italian Borini, who did nothing in his two previous stints in the EPL and a lad who got no were near the first team at Real Madrid! It's going to be along long season!!
KopTed {Ed052's Note - Ok, I am sure you all want my view on the game dont you. We were poor second half, but first half outclassed them. Suarez missed a couple as he usually did, and Borini had an off game - which is unlike him. He has already played a lot this season. Yes he was shocking second half - and we ran out of idea. But please dont be negative - that will get us nowhere. We need to be posiitvie, support the club etc! }

Outclassed them?? Lol what are you on!

We have to be honest with ourselves , the owners have left us with out strikers and goals , relegation fight is coming , i love my club , but fear these yanks are starving us of money , and cant run a football club , cowboys !! get rid

02 Sep 2012 16:18:34
Lets just stop this 4th place nonsense, its embarrassing now and just makes other teams laugh when they come on here. Realistically where mig table at best now. Could change if we get a lot of money invested but lets face it, thats not going to happen.

02 Sep 2012 16:18:15
so are we allowed to sign any player that is out of contract?

James Beattie
James Mcfadden
Michael owen
Emile Heskey
Ivan Klasnic

hell, grim times, what a total bloody shambles!!!

02 Sep 2012 16:17:50
A draw against Southampton and defeat against United would just add pressure on BR and his future.

You mean sunderland !!

We are not even playing Southampton next.

Sunderland next. Good job your keeping up with your team
Tommy.

It certainly would, considering our next game is against Sunderland he'd be sending us to play the wrong team.

Hans

Wrong team but I see your point

02 Sep 2012 16:17:24
i for one feel sorry for the eds great job ,but they take loads of rubbishe when things dont go right from slagging ,grumblin fans. allfc

It's not the eds that are being rubbished, it's the lfc players and management. I don't recall anyone saying we lost because of the editors on this site.

02 Sep 2012 16:17:06
If kenny had decent striker we would have done much much better

02 Sep 2012 16:15:01
We can talk, give opinions, disagree, agree, get angry, smile, troll, give credit, discuss, fantasise, imagine, whatever. The fact remains wether they should or they shouldn't, FSG have not done anything financially that would make a top quality player choose Liverpool. Unless that changes, it will be hit and miss for a long time.

Gazline

02 Sep 2012 16:14:55
-- Reina needs to be dropped. We should start looking for a goalkeeper if Gulacsi can't step in. He's been poor for a year now and his performance is only going downhill.

-- Suarez had one of the worst games as a Liverpool player. Borini too.

-- Sahin looks no-nonsense player. Good.

-- Gerrard needs to be rested and used properly. He played full 90 min on Thursday and wasn't at his best today.

-- Allen: What a player!

-- Our squad is thin without any strikers that we desperately needed. Hopefully Morgan and Yesil will be given chances.

-- If it's true that Ayre was at fault for transfer failures then he needs to be fired as soon as possible.

-- I see the potential and what Rodgers is trying to achieve. We are playing some good, proper football. Things can only improve.

Jack D.

100% agree with every point

Would only add the Jose will struggle under BR and
We can't burnout raheem with too much game time

Leam Red

02 Sep 2012 16:14:28
Why do people want drogba and Owen? For what Brendan wants to do they would be useless, they can't run around the pitch for 45 mins no chance 90. Something's gone very wrong.... Redknapps the man

RAFA, RAFA, RAFA

02 Sep 2012 16:11:58
I worry Reina wont be here next season.He has lost his edge bigtime.Dont be surprised if BR goes after Vorm,i no i would....YNWA!!

I wouldn't worry about Reina being here next season. He has been very poor since good old Woy took over.
He has costs us a lot of goals and how many times is he beaten at his near post?? Too many for a supposed world class keeper.

Im more worried that he will be here, championship keeper at best!! And dont get me started on gerrard and sauraz! Fans need to take of their rose tinted glasses, these player are not near good enough for Liverpool. Gerrard is just a more famous henderson only with a bigger head, sauraz only a few tricks which defenders now know and doesn't pass, at least to a team mate, no end product! Yes he scored a couple of goals but we would score more if he. 1,lifted his head, and 2 stopped falling over! Would love these players to prove me wrong over the course of the season and I'll gladly have egg on my face but I very much doubt it, Ballymac baz

I for one worry Reina will be here next season. He's nowhere near being good enough.

Sell Reina in January while we can still get a decent fee for him. He's totally useless and the defenders don't seem to have any confidence in him!

02 Sep 2012 16:11:14
Second. I dunno who reads my bull on here, but I said at the start of the summer the summer that I thought sacking Kenny would be a mistake, because we were deficient in one area only: sticking it in the net. And keeping Kenny to fix that would be more likely to sort it out than bringing in a new manager with new ideas.

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Are u for real! Same kenny who bought carrol for. 35MM, downing for 20M,henderson for 16M and fat adam for 8M.
Wake up will you! Its beacuse he waisted so much money that is still hurting us.
And have you forgotten the. Whole luis suarez thing and kennys role.
He was a awful manager second time and that's a fact.
Red indian

You can't blame it all on Kenny, there was Ayre who sanctioned the moves and FSG come up with the money. No one complained that we got to much money for Torres.

Bobbinred

Red Indian
KD draw up a list of players and Comolli negotiated the fee's.
Carroll was the hottest property at that time. Big, strong, amazing header of the ball, sweetest left foot & awkward to defend against.
Henderson was England under 21 captain with a great reputation and wanted by united, arsenal amongst others.
Adam was Blackpools best player who had great work rate, an eye for passing and a dead ball expert who was chased by spurs.
Downing you can have.
Anyway it's easy to see why these players was bought and to blame KD solely is unfair.
Liverpool never got cover for Carroll yet that's probably KD's fault to considering st Rodgers won't be at fault.

Indian Red
If the transfers are the managers responsibility then BR got it wrong with Carroll and arguebley Borini.
Our league position and pack of fire power is also BR's responsability too.

Or is it just KD you have the problem with?

Kennys team would have come good. now we have to wait another 2 years for a sniff of a decent side

02 Sep 2012 16:10:46
how many mistakes does Reina have to make before his deputy gets a look-in?

Puzzled

I agree, look at manu, de gea made a mistake against fulham. Result, he's dropped for todays game. This makes him realise that he needs to be at his best every game to keep his place. How many times has reina dropped us in it over the last couple of seasons? Too many to count. How many times has he been dropped? None, Result, he's become complacent. Knowing that whatever he does he will be playing next game, only to drop us in it again. Time to drop him, this will also find out how commited to the cause he really is.

02 Sep 2012 16:09:57
you all claim how fantastic against city but we only scored off 2 set pieces..for what the club has done to Carrol and Henderson and maybe Kuyt.they should hang their
heads..

Couldn't agree more Carroll forced out of club. If he'd have asked for a move he would have been slaughterd. We have become a laughing stock.

Actually lfc were the laughing stock with andy carroll in our squad. 44 league games six goals. Even voronin had a better record than him. 19 league games five goals.6 goals in 27 games in all competitions = 1 goal every 4.5 games. Carroll 11 goals in 58 games in all competitions.= 1 goal every 5.2 games.

02 Sep 2012 16:09:52
It will take time to rebiuld and put right all the problems that have been building up for years. but liverpool have and can be again the best and most respeted in club in football. to keep spending and turning over loads and loads of players hasnt got any lasting success and it has to be about bringing through youth the more local the better and adding qaulity not qauntity. that was the way of the great liverpool 70 and 80s liverpool

Get your head out of the sand, football has changed since the 70' Most clubs are run as a buisness, agreed we don't want to be loaded with debt. but if a club is run soely with profit in mind forget about winning league and cups, it's a merry go round. We bring on players like Stirling then sell for a profit. We win nothing our fan base declines, merchandising drops so sponsership revenue drops. There's an old saying speculate to accumulate.

Bobbinred

02 Sep 2012 15:58:23
Maybe FSG was in over their heads but had already purchased the club before they found out and this is their way out to keep cutting and pruning until the fans scream FSG OUT, YONKS OUT!!

02 Sep 2012 15:58:21
Don't know why you ed's even bother answering some of the ludicrous post's on here. Don't think there was to much between the 2 sides to be honest. I would've taken stevie off instead of sahin and put downing on instead of jose. I don't think we're far away. A little more patience on the ball ala allen and sahin prob wouldn go amiss but I'm still confident we'll be there or there abouts come may. Roll on sunderland, Simonpw

02 Sep 2012 15:58:01
I think too many of you on here are impatient glory-hunting tarts.

In fact, I think many of you are a joke.

It amazes me that many people pay the ticket prices week-in-week-out yet continue to keep-the faith with the manager/players and the slow process of mouldering the team, yet so many of you keyboard-warriors criticise everything with the power of your finger tips on your fat arses in cheesy little bedrooms.

City are winning things...I suggest you try them.

DaveyBootle

I'll have u know i have a very big bedroom lol

That is the answer is it blind faith, history has shown thats how dictatorships stay so long in power

I actually have a skinny arse

Three cheers for DaveyBootle!!

dd {Ed001's Note - well said Davey, I would much rather see us build with youth brought through from the academy, than go out and spend what we don't have.}

So davey were do you think we are going to get goals from to win games ,and were do you think we will finish this season , if some fans are concerned abouit the team it does not make them any a lesser of a fan than you , maybe they see things you dont , and for the fans who pay their money for the ickets are just putting more money into the yanks pockets , becuase the money from the sponsors and the tv rights have not gone into the team so were as all this money gone , after all they have saved over 20 mil in players wages this season , but you carry on hoping we will finish higher than 10th {Ed002's Note - Seemingly you have no understanding of how a business operates.}

Cheesy FIFA playing bedrooms

02 Sep 2012 15:57:44
Worst start for 50 years (as the media keep saying)was expected with Arsenal and Man City in the first 3 games. We continue to lose games as we have no game changers on the bench and only a couple on the pitch! Gerrard's form is not good enough and it seems like his legs have gone. You can say he has won us so many games in the past but thats exactly where they are in the past if hes not doing it now the drop him. His only saving grace is that we have kids on the bench but thats one of our game changers whos started indifferently. The other is Suarez who continues to blow hot and cold. Today against Arsenal he was trying to walk through players instead of passing and defenders are getting wise to his style. Now at this stage in the season I didn't think we'd be relying on a 17 year old to provide our attacking spark but here we are. We played great passing football against man city and yet today we're given a lesson by an arsenal side who in my opinion will be up there if they can get Podolski scoring on a regular basis. I thought if we'd signed a couple more in the window we would of had a chance of top four but now with Ian Ayres apparent failure in the transfer window to provide at the very least cover for some positions we can now not expect the manager to deliver his plans for this season with such a limited amount of players to choose from. I hope I'm wrong I really do but after watching the window close I'm feeling bewildered as to what we are trying to do as a club.

I'm afraid BR's style of play will win us nothing mid table at the most. When it comes to football he is very narrow minded, will only play one way one system all his bench will be geared up to this system , no one on the bench to change the game, Brendon will not and will not change tactics . Every opposition manager will know exactly how Liverpool will play, and counter it. There's no hidden tactics just Tika Taka, absolute suicide.

Bobbinred

02 Sep 2012 15:57:39
we probably could afford the 200k that drogba wanted mate. but we all know that the owners wouldnt pay it {Ed002's Note - Plus a hefty signing on fee. And a two year contract.}

Ed's, question. What's the cost of relegation because that is where we are heading with performances like today......

Ed002 I understand the point you are trying to convey and it is a good one but unfortunately these owners are in the wrong sport if they are tight on the money. Football is a game where you have to spend big. Just look around you please.
Teams that win are teams that spend .
hibsylfc {Ed002's Note - This summer Liverpool spent more than all but nine clubs world-wide. I am sure things will be very different under institutional ownership.}

Ed002 why do you keep bringing up institutional ownership all the time?
hibsylfc {Ed002's Note - What do you expect to happen if the fans get their way and force them to sell?}

But with the wages we saved would mean that we only spent about £10m

I really do not think the fans genuinely want them out it will be like some one shooting himself in the foot we simply want them to understand how football in this country is done how transfers are done and to learn from their mistakes, why in a turbulent time like now don't they come out and say something to calm evereyone down it would make a hell of a difference.
I appreciate them and what they have done but the blunder they have done can simply cost us, it is not their fault we are playing top sides for the starting games, but the window was messed up.
Last years achilles heel was we needed a striker and that is still the problem!
hisbylfc

02 Sep 2012 15:57:36
Hello eds..! I think we need more work off the pitch than on it.. Deadline day's debacle shows how as a organisation we don't stand anywhere.. We desperately need someone who can guide FSG how to run a football club.. There is no lack of initiative from FSG but the people making decisions at Liverpool have to go. Enough is enough now.. We all know Liverpool needs out and out goal scorer since last transfer window but till date no action has been taken for this.
Arsenal lost two of its best players and their new signings thumped us.. Why do our players for whom we pay stupid money need time to settle.. Good players dont need time to settle. Look at Allen.. Did he need time to settle.
I mean it's good to be optimistic but we don't have anything to be optimistic to. I have no complaints against BR but as a organisation. Where do we stand. This is no way to run a club. Fsg needs to hire professionals and please enough of the liverpool traditions and history. We need results, trophies to be proud history and tradition are in the past. Just let them go.
I don't expect one day wonders but it's going to be two years since fsg took over and where are we standing in terms of building squad and having a giid playing 11..

I know fsg has stabilised us but now we need to go forward.. Please please please appoint a footballing director who has experience and a name that we can be hopeful of.. Bring on the David Deins of modern football..

This is not a rant on nor a motd reaction but a reality check. We were all praying agger doesn't go i dont think we have done anything defensively good till now this season.

Rogers has a very good vision but i seriously don't think this squad can take us forward..

Eds can you tell me where i am wrong.. Specially ed002

Thnxs
Musicnation {Ed002's Note - You see a debacle, I see the club missing out on Dempsey. Other clubs missed out on players, Arsenal on M'Vila, Chelsea on Cavani, Manchester United on Witsel. There are plenty of examples. Bad day at the office today. Suck it up and move on.}

Arsenal pulled out of M'villa deal, Benfica wanted too much for Witsel and Napoli were never going to sell Cavani this year. We could not pay 7 mil for somone who scored more goals than Suarez and Gerrard put together?

I agree with the post except the bit about Rodger's vision. Ed002 if I recall you said much the same thing about a bad day at the office after the WBA match (one of the Eds did - perhaps more than one!). The performance today was abject, the players have the clear look of a group that has no faith in the manager. The number of crosses into the box makes me wonder if they were trying to tell the manager something. And before you disagree players frequently play poorly deliberately when they are unhappy. Rodgers appears a poor man manager slagging off players publically saying they don't fit etc. Once you do that there is no coming back and any buying club has you over a barrel. Rodgers is out of his depth. The Dempsey debacle isn't about the player it is about the club's clear need which has gone unfilled. Rodgers has also wasted money on players that were not needed. Allen is a good player but midfield was ok so he signs two midfielders?!?!? He's a joker and he'll be out of a job by Xmas (at the latest). Rodgers could have said no to the Carroll loan unless a lad was already getting ready to sign and if it was pushed threated to resign. He didn't. {Ed002's Note - If as you say "players frequently play poorly deliberately when they are unhappy" then perhaps they will sign up to the growing campaign to oust the owners and manager. Personally I would have hoped the Liverpool players would be more professional than that. But then again I would have expected the fans to give their support to the club - including the owners, the manager and the players.}

I can hear you saying the same old rhetoric nect year ed002, and the year after that, and the year after that! Support the team and Fsg! How long Ed? Give us your timescale before you syart to agree that they are a disaster?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I have said on numerous occasions they have made one major mistake since they took over the club a couple of years back. That was giving Kenny Dalglish the job full time. They compounded the matter with Comolli and the spending over last summer. Much of what we are seeing now is the result of that. Brendan Rodgers has come in with a clean sheet of paper and some new ideas. He has sold the owners on spending to support his ideas. This they have done (the ninth highest world-wide spending this summer). Putting aside a deal was not done as anticipated for Dempsey (a 29 year old American that many supporters said was not "Liverpool quality") and that the "pony-tailed donkey" (a young English player that many supporters said was not "Liverpool quality" moved on, it seems Rodgers does not have the support of many fans any longer. Personally I would give him a break. He is a nice guy and well respected in the game. As for the owners, clearly any support they had previously is being stripped away hour-by-hour this weekend. Again I think the fans should get behind them and the club. If the fans get their way and force an early exit of club ownership, perhaps then I would be less supportive of the faceless institutional investors (banks and insurance companies) that would likely follow.}

02 Sep 2012 15:56:45
Ed, how about del Piero? Proven poacher who could provide the necessary threat in front of goal?

DevonRed {Ed002's Note - You would not see that as grasping at straws then?}

Think he's gone to Sydney FC

02 Sep 2012 15:55:56
Hi Ed's I would really appreciate if I could get an opinion from one of you. I am from Australia so I am not 100% sure if I understand how things work up there. What on earth goes on in the three months when the window is open and how come they wait until the final hours of deadline day to buy players? Would luv other people's responses aswell to get a better understanding thanks. {Ed002's Note - There is always going to be a little rush toward the end - think of it like "last orders" in a bar.}

02 Sep 2012 15:55:49
We have one of the hardest openings to a season in years with the games we have to play and how do the owners help the team to prepare, by making the squad so thin that everyone is still tired from the thursday night match, what a joke, why didn't we keep Andy Carroll again, ohh that's right, to make way for no one elses wages, FSG are the biggest soccer/football joke currently in WORLD football. Please don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya FSG . . . YONKS OUT!!

Damn right FSG OUT, VENKY's IN!

02 Sep 2012 15:55:33
Suarez was wasteful in possession today, he can't be expected to produce the magic every game. But when he is wasteful with passing and trying the impossible then Liverpool usually struggle, that's the problem with fluid football it takes a while to second guess you fellow players runs.

Borini didn't get enough of the ball for me, he needs to be the out and out striker with Suarez doing the ballet behind him. Borini should be the last man as he has the pace and hassles to no end. Last 15 minutes and we pinged the ball into the box a lot but there was no Carroll to get on the end of it. Assadi, Suarez, Borini and Morgan has to be the shortest set of forwards in Prem history.

Maybe we'll be struggling until we next get a chance to strengthen the forward line, we started well, but had little answer for Arsenal's first goal. Pepe gutted for the man, he's working as hard as he ever and is still a little suspect for the individual error for Santi Carzola's low drive on goal which unfortunately rippled the net, 9 times out of 10 that doesn't happen.

Head up lads, two week break to get our stuff organised, hopefully Rodgers gets them playing well through out the team. We need Borini and Suarez to get a good understanding. Raheem was great and he tracked back heroically. Arsenal grew into the game and finished very strong after the first 30 minutes today and that's the reality.

02 Sep 2012 15:54:31
I think those people slating Suarez need to remember is that you cant expect him to play great every game. I thinks it's harsh to judge him when most of the chances that are created are started by him, so not only is he help create them, he's also expected to finish those moves off cos no one is nearly as good enough to keep up with him. How many time have we seen in where Suarez has had the ball upfront with no support?

Plus he had two in two you expect him to score every single game.

02 Sep 2012 15:53:16
I'm struggling to grasp how much trouble we're actually in! I don't know what the hell has happened to Jose Enrique but he hasn't looked interested since March; We all know Reina normally makes his annual mistake that costs us a goal but this is getting ridiculous, 3 goals in 3 games he's cost us, these mistakes CANNOT continue! Looking at our bench....its actually sickening! We've got Joe Cole and Lucas to come back in and that's it, meaning our biggest threats coming off the bench will be Shelvey (who will NEVER come good), Borini (who is simply put, hurrendous), Henderson (who we should NEVER have bought) and Downing, who doesn't even merit brackets!

Don't know about you Eds, and every other fan on here, but I'm totally terrified! Gerrard and Suarez were woeful today and our only saving grace is that Sterling and Allen are both sensational players, but that is not enough!

I feel sick at this. The board have destroyed our chance of rebuilding this season, it's going to be yet another year when we all have to say "wait till next season". So deflated its sick.

JoshKop {Ed002's Note - You should lay down for a few hours Josh.}

Shelvey will never become good? hes is a fantastic player and will continue to improve u muppet hang ur head in shame.

02 Sep 2012 16:02:23
The worst thing, with the quality of players we have, is that qpr, west brom, norwich, swansea all play better than us

02 Sep 2012 16:02:06
Liverpool are a mid table team at best now with the small squad and lack of quality i never thought id say it but everton much better team and squad. Too many things going wrong so many people to blame owners and board etc but Rodgers needs time to get in players he was promised things will get worse before they get better expect us to get 1 point in next 2 games if that sunderland away utd at home with this team we have no chance.

Craig Trav

02 Sep 2012 16:00:43
where has the real steven gerrard gone... haven't seen him since 2009?

02 Sep 2012 15:52:41
I think brendan rodgers is the right man for the job but without a proven goal scorer I don't think we will do better than last season it dose not matter who is to blame for us not getting a striker on deadline day it will be brendan how will get the sack at the end of the season

I think letting Carroll go without cover could come back to haunt BR

Hope he doesn't last the month out the damage will well and timely done by this clown Brenda Rodgers get shut A S A P if not before he is a general dogs body

Hope we don't have to wait that long hoping he had stepped down by now ,have to get Harry well he is availible

Danny Graham in January. Another piece of the Swansea massive. :)

We need another forward, but we can't get a decent one until January. Look around the squad and the faces you'll see are now known as LFC's ''only hope''. It's not mission impossible, it's just mission hard bloody work, it's just going to take time, the squad is very young.

Rodolfo Borrell is going to get a few conveyor belts installed at the academy to the first team dressing room. LoL It's a little bleak now buddy but we'll be off to our first League win soon enough and fighting for points all the way. The senior squad players know it's on them and the younger ones, Raheem, Jonjo et al, want to become senior members next week.

02 Sep 2012 15:52:29
Ok, At this point I'd love to remain positive and stand by the club I've loved all my life.

Being a supported means you stick with your team through the high's and the lows. It's been so long since we had a genuine High that I fail to remember one! I know we've one a cup last year but we struggled to beat a cardiff side going through their own transition period!

Sterling looks great, but is only 17, can we really put the weight of a whole club on his shoulders!? Does he want that responsibility with his entire career ahead of him if the likes of Man City make an offer ... He'll be mad not to go and win trophies!

I know its going to take time to rebuild this club, but I'm genuinly beginning to see reason in Fernando's decision to leave!

Being a Liverpool fan is genuinly depressing, and I for one am bored with being depressed ...

Dex

Feel the same

02 Sep 2012 15:52:14
There is no doubt something is going on gerard played like in had something on his mind they played like this under hodgson when stuff was happening they all look tired and fed up apart from shelvey and sterling Allan needs to find a good club in jan is wasted in this team I have support this club
Since 1975 never seen this form at home
Very very sad

Conspiracy theory!

02 Sep 2012 15:51:50
what an utter disgrace liverpool in big trouble get ready for championship next year
fsg out iain ayre out

You mean they are still here

02 Sep 2012 15:51:43
The way things are looking we'll be bottom after the United game. God help us.

02 Sep 2012 15:51:31
This is a question for ed002:
Dont u think that FSG's model of buying young players with resale value wrong for the club at this period of time? Shouldnt we be first signing experienced campaigners who can get us into the top4 n then go for the youngsters? Imagine dempsey instead of borini, it would have made a hell of a difference. Imo, this FSG model should kick in when we have established ourselves as a major force, not at the time of rebuilding.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - I am surprised that a deal could not be struck for Dempsey buy at the end of the day he would simply have been another squad player - prhaps not the saviour people expect. Liverpool cannot simply go out and "experienced campaigners" to get them in to the top four - it really isn't as simple as that. Put aside resale value, the club has looked to improve the squad. Aging players who wanted to move on left the club (Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy). Players with no future at the club left (Eccleston, Adam, Aquilani). Young players seen to not fit the future needs of the club moved on (Darby, Amoo). These were replaced by players stepping up from the reserves and by a number of younger players being brought in (Allan, Sahin, Borini, Sterling). Obviously the fans have now very much turned on the owners, the poor Mrs Henry and the directors of the club. Liverpool didn't win so the fans have as ever turned to abusing the manager and the players. A few hours venting and they will no doubt feel better.}

I have to say I agree with you ed...the fans need to vent..especially after such a bad performance and while I don't agree with some of the horrible things that have been said over the last few weeks...its good to have somewhere to let off a little steam(within reason of course).

Upwards and onwards

Bazingaa

All fsg are is asset strippers full stop

Ed002,

You are spot on, but the most frustrating aspect of it all is that Rodgers has been building something interesting and just when it came down to put the finishing touches to it, something went terribly wrong. The squad as we stand is lacking two bodies up front. I'm not talking about Falcao or Damaio or anyone else of that caliber. Just two players who can do a decent job up front to support our main guys. I don't know who is to blame for this. But from a business perspective it just makes no sense. The couple of millions it might have taken to sign Dempsey are nothing compared to the millions we are going to need to spend to fix this situation. If the owners, Ayre watched the game today; they surely must be wishing they could go back in time ,right? As for the abuse online, it is uncalled for. Let's stay positive, though. We have no other choice.

Canadian Fan

Absolute nonsense Ed002. More established players left this summer window and not all where replaced from an already small squad (Rodgers words, not mine). So yes our wage bill is greatly reduced and the owners will be ecstatic. Yet we arefurther away from the CL than ever. Is that not meant to be the target? Seriously, please tell me how? The abuse of Mrs Henry is unacceptable.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The first team squad has 32 players in it including the under 21s (Sterling etc.). Liverpool needed to move on the older players and bring younger players in. Chelsea did the same - Bosingwa, Anelka, Essien, Drogba have have gone and players aged 19-21 have come in. If you would rather not have the likes of Sterling and Joe Allen playing, Malouda and Meireles could be available in January.}

Ed002 you don't get it we were not looking to Dempsey as a saviour, just as a proven goal scorer to add to the sqaud. Look at the players you"ve listed as going out and those coming in. Tell me do you honestly think that makes sense? Iom red {Ed002's Note - The likes of Bellamy and Maxi were bit part players - Sterling and Joe Cole can pretty much provide that cover. Borini has arrived and Kuyt has gone. If you are really that unhappy with teh players then the manager is at fault. If he wants to play a system which packs the midfield then this is what to expect. There is still Pacheco and Morgan to try out.}

I do not understand why anyone is abusing Mrs.Henry that is just silly. But I do think if you are the owner you must take blame I am sorry that is how it is when you buy a club as big as lfc and things don't go well the boss needs to stand up and take the blame if deserved.
I think BR is doing fine just needs time.
hibsylfc

Jos Cole! Lol ed! You expected him to go, if anyone would have him {Ed002's Note - He could be as effective as Maxi was last year.}

02 Sep 2012 15:50:35
I hope to god Glen Johnson never wears the Liverpool shirt ever again! One of the most lazy, inept and heartless players ever to wear our shirt!

Gerrard will get the blame for the first goal and though it was a poor pass from him that lead to the goal just watch Johnson's attempt to get back. He is at least 5 yard ahead of Podolski but decides to jog back whilst the Arsenal players are sprinting forward!

For the second goal Reina will get the blame and yes t was yet again not Reina's finest moment but Johnson just stands there instead of trying to close down Podolski as he plays his one-two with Cazorla!

Going forward he very rarely picks out a pass, 9 out of 10 times its a clueless pass or trick, or a hopeful ball into the box.

He is utter garbage and the sooner Rodgers realises his and ditches him the better for the team!

Enrique isn't much better either. Our fullbacks can't defend and hardly contribute going forward.

I would rather see Flanagan and Robinson play, yes they are young and will make mistakes but at least you will get desire and effort, something quite a few of our 'first choice' players seem to be lacking!

Scarface

The way your going we may as just put the youth team out !

02 Sep 2012 15:56:59
playing all attack good football means nothing u have to defance well and don't Forget Arsenal have good team. thier midfielder ruls in midfield. to many miss pass by gerrard and suarez. Striker will badly miss. when u not confirm no one in why let Carroll go for Loan ?

r-r

02 Sep 2012 15:56:52
There is only one player who has the ability to save our first half of the season, that is ...... Drogba , he's available.
Let's go and get him!

If drogba is available there are a lot of richer clubs out there (like the russians) who will be willing to pay him 2 or 3 times as much as we would, we would never get him

02 Sep 2012 15:56:47
Not a good result but I think it's early days but it's not looking good first of all sack that Ian Ayre. That man is an person. Why is that the team who doesn't perform against any other team can come here and beat us so easily I donot understand
Gr8 1

Early day's will we still be sayin that in december - probably

02 Sep 2012 15:56:38
I think everyone needs to chill out a little and stop blaming everyone from the owners to the manager to the stewards for the start to the season we've had. We should have signed a striker, that's a given, especially after we let Carroll go. But Ian Ayre cocked it up.

We are still paying the price for the poor management under Kenny. We wasted so much money that the owners have had no choice but to adopt a more prudent approach. They have no choice. Brendan still has some deadwood on our books that needs to be shipped out (Downing, Henderson, Carroll). It will take time to turn it around. If we can sell at least two of the above it will free up some cash for a striker that we badly need.

We've had a tough start fixture-wise but give them at least 15 games and then see if there is an improvement.

Ash

Yes money was wasted under kk management ,but alot of it was recouped with the sale of torres, so FSG have not spent that much, getting dempsey for a few million would have been another scoring option that we NEED NOW! ,todays game emphasized that

02 Sep 2012 15:54:19
After todays shambles i'd like to say things can only get better but I don't see how. The chances Suarez had, Owen would have put at least two of them away!

02 Sep 2012 15:53:29
Hi Eds,
I know owen is available but what other options do liverpool have with regards bringing in a goalscoring forward as judging by todays display thats all we're missing as we dominated large parts of the game today but just lack that cutting edge in front of goal.
Also allen looked class once again today. Turning out to be a very shrewd buy.

Will the Red

02 Sep 2012 15:50:55
I can understand you ed's are trying to put a positive spin on things to avoid the vast majority of lfc supporters from slitting their wrists.

But you have to admit, with the toothless squad we have, we will be fighting relegation come january and by that time it may be too late to save our season. Admit that we made a big mistake in this transfer window, I mean we only had two months to find a reliable forward.

With all the faults of the Dalglish regime and the overspending on dross, at least we had the dross in the team to keep us in the league.

It will actually be a blessing to be knocked out of the europa cup because we may be able to save ourselves the hassle of having to fight our way out of the championship if we concentrate on the league alone.

one pissed off slimboy

02 Sep 2012 15:50:23
Hi eds. I appreciate uve been busy doing some excellent work keeping us upto date and don't want to throw yet more work at you BUT what decent players are currently unattached. We know the stories about Owen and drogba but who out there wouldmy bring in. Thanks again for all ur efforts

Danr {Ed002's Note - This has been dealt with - why not read the posts.}

02 Sep 2012 15:50:07
i dont think the best striker in the world would have made a difference today, i thought the days of passing sideways & backwards were a thing of the past! lets hope it was a blip or we are doomed :( at least joe allen & sterling can hold their heads high.

02 Sep 2012 15:48:09
Hi edds

surely with all the correct negative feedback liverpool r getting from their own fans something needs to be done. this is the worst start to a season since 1963 or suming! i could not see where a goal for us was coming from, yes we passed it well. barca and spain pass it well but win as they have a striker, borini is not great, kuyt wipes the floor of him and suarez is great but maybe 1 out of 4 games he plays he will do something special. we are gonna become less confident and continue to get poor results.

this time last year we were playing well under kenny. maybe we should have kept him and the same team and just of gotten a quality striker (and joe allen). or even got rafa back, i was watching some videos when we were out playing united and real madrid under him, we even beat barca.

the whole saga of no striker signing for us was terrible, dempsey would have made a difference today deffo. he is confident and would of shot a lot more.

i think getting in owen is a must as it will give the fans a glitter of hope till jan then its time to actually spend some money as we will be sitting in maybe 12th/13th spot even 17th.

if they are going to get rid of BR then we have to get rafa back and his spanish regime it worked before and it work again.

it pains me to say this after 3 league games.

thoughts edds and reds please.

Red H

02 Sep 2012 15:49:55
the blind leading the blind today

gayred

02 Sep 2012 15:49:45
And I got slated for my earlier prediction...hmmm...remains the same

Bottom 6 after 1st 6 games
Bottom half by Christmas
10th at best by season end.

Be different next year though.

Relegated by next year

Yeah same position different league

02 Sep 2012 15:48:20
What a shocking performance, most of the team did not look like they had the fight in them.
Suarez was as useless as a paper bag in the rain!
Surely time to call it a day before BR drags us into the relegation fight!

02 Sep 2012 15:48:01
Eds, what has happened to Doni and Assaidi!? Doni definitely deserves a chance ahead of Reina.

02 Sep 2012 15:47:40
Gerrard was retired This afternoon by Diaby.

02 Sep 2012 15:47:37
Amazing how the match reflected how many fans feel.. How is Borini worth £10m and Dempsey not worth £5-6m, We've overpaid there again I feel. Allen well worth the £15m, sterling brilliant. Pepe should be dropped would of liked to see friedel back he's been excellent at spurs. And I'd rather have Drogba or Anelka than Owen any day of the week. Hope we've learned a valuable lesson? Roll on January!

Cocko

02 Sep 2012 15:47:23
The Chelsea supporting ass and his gang that sold Liverpool to FSG did so because they didnt want DIC or CIC to have to pump billions into us and make us the best in the world and better thatn their beloved Chelsea. I think this all stinks , the yanks should sell and move on. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea why you think DIC were involved? Abuse topped by ignorance.}

Is that the same DIC that has gone bust, and taken several companies down with them? The DIC that would have led to us going bankrupt? Thought so.

Nick.

Mate, DIC is in big trouble. They are restructuring debt with their lenders. They would have not been able to pump millions let alone billions. Financially FSG is great for the club. IMHO their only mistake so far has been to let KK go just after one season. Any manager needs to be given time to produce results. Hope BR is given time as well.

I think it's simple frustration Ed002, it's more blaming others than coming to the realisation that LFC were on their knee's heading under the boot of the administrators before FSG walked through the door, Martin Broughton (i think it was) being openly a Chelsea fan did lead to some small sets of theorists fans trying to add 1+1 up to = 3, but i see it all born out of frustration.

After the fiasco with the previous owners who were obviously also American (USA) it is a continuing fear for many a fan that Americans aren't in it for the same reasons as the City and Chelsea owners are, who have seemed to throw big money at the clubs and getting some of the very best players on the World stage.

Chelsea have consistently had Champions League since Roman bought the club and last season being the only time Chelsea have looked shaky for qualification, but then won the CL to ensure qualification for this season. Man City however threw massive money at their club and more so the wagers to ensure talent would come and that got Champions League football and they've moved on to win the league as well.

With rumours of DIC wanting to buy us from Moore before Hicks and Gillete did it only adds to the frustration as many feel we should have been bought by the people who bought Man City. But that's just wishful hindsight, many said the same about Chelsea owner.

Liverpool have spent a fair whack but not in the same way and not getting the same value for transfer fees. This has caused the recent mass frustration with the fans, Andy Carroll leaving on loan without being replaced is the straw that has broken some of the supporters fans, not. It's just knee jerk reactions to the stupidity of some personnel at FSG/LFC.

Next time Liverpool sign someone with a bit of quality about them, these same fans will be the loudest and proudest fans about, i guess it's as true in Ancient Rome than it is now. ''The mob are fickle Brother'' and always have been. {Ed002's Note - I agree pretty much with all of this. I remain surprised that anyone thinks Martin Broughton put his support of Chelsea ahead of the business with Liverpool. However, the examples of Manchester City and Chelsea are pretty extreme - and owners with the wealth of Manchester City's or the interest in the game of Mr Abramovich are few and far between. Not getting value in the transfer market in terms of fees is a blight of over-paying English clubs. Not getting value in terms of players is the responsibility of those who make the decisions - Benitez, Dalglish, Comolli, Rodgers et al.}

02 Sep 2012 15:47:09
Positives: Allen, Sterling, and to a slightly lesser extent, Shelvey

Negatives: Everything else.

Really wish we would have sold Suarez and Reina and got in al Habsi and a proper goal scorer.

SOLD!suarez u on crystal meth or something muppet.

If we sold Suarez and got Falcao would you be on "crystal meth"

No, I would have done a swap of Suarez for RVP. Based on last season and the start of this.

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:46:10
Don't blame the manager, he wanted players and people from above failed him and his team did everything well but score today. The blame is on players like Gerrard, Reina and Suarez...key performers on huge salaries not performing. Hats off today to Allen and Sterling, Sahin unfortunately looks a little lost...

gh*lfc

Like KD, RB and RH then

I really thought Sahin looked like a rabbit caught in headlights before the start of the game. Suppose it's only his first game so we'll see how the rest of the season pans out for him.

Cuchulainn's Hounds

Sahin first game after being with the team for less than a week cmon

Suarez week in week out is one of our best players, yet today he, by his standards, has an off game and suddenly he needs to "raise" his game - is Suarez at fault for not having support? the squad is so thin up top that if Suarez doesn't play outstandingly we look pretty mediocre, yes i'll agree the bloke probably should score more goals given the number of chances, even if most of those chances he creates himself, but don't blame Suarez!

Gerrard played poorly no argument, but I honestly don't think he can play Thursday and Sunday, we need to "rest" his legs if we are going to get the best out of him - I really think the Euro Championships "burnt him out", he busted a gut for England and Hodgson's negative style.

Pepe might need glasses? - he is definitely off his game ...but with no real pressure what happens.

If the owners weren't willing to push the boat out in this transfer window, what suggests they will in January? ...will they panic buy?

Owen? this would be mere desperation. The bloke wouldn't be match fit, he may even be carrying an injury, and whilst he found the net in the past does it mean he will now? furthermore where and how would he fit into our current setup and style of play ... would he be any different?

02 sep 2012 15:45:37
we come not to play - mission accomplished.

HAHA ON THIS SAD DAY THAT MADE ME LAUGH

LTP

This is just the start.

02 Sep 2012 15:44:59
We are in trouble! Playing fine. Just can't see where goals will come from. No one can finish.
EVERY team has a goalscorer. Except us!

Like last season hey

02 sep 2012 15:44:16
gerrad & reina
need to be dropped asap
we need a stirker, forget what owen has done, its him or no one

ltp

Remember this chant,,, once a manc never a red,,,,

02 Sep 2012 15:44:05
i never thought i would say it but rodgers should get on his knees and ask owen to come back to save his job. he will score more in half a season than borini will in his anfield career

02 Sep 2012 15:43:29
I love LFC and always will, no matter where what and when they play. But after Fridays fiasco , and what I have just witnessed, being totally outplayed by a relatively average Arsenal team. I will finally put up my hands and admit. Liverpool as a force are finished. We are the laughing stock of the football world due to inadequate people who run our club. Boy do I feel sorry for Brendan Rodgers. He has been let down BIG time, and I mean BIG BIG time.

RedTilIDie {Ed002's Note - Another massive over-reaction to Dempsey not signing.}

We were not the average, side you were.

Clg

Well why is it? Everyone in football can see moral is low because of the owners and it was reflected in the stadium today. Some of you eds response to everything is to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. FSG NEED TO GO BOTTOM LINE!

No eds wake up we are not good anymore we have made to many mistakes once we except it and get off our high horse we can rebuild properly the same with adicts once they admit they have a problem they can sort out the problem until then we can live in denile {Ed002's Note - I thought Denile to be a river in De Middle East?}

{Ed002's Note - To the moaning vegetable - we cannot sift your bleating erroneous rubbish from the rest of the crap that some posters are throwing in as part of the usual post game fickleness when Liverpool fail to win.}

You shud go support the ManCs RedTillIDie if you dont support our owners . Get behind the club .

Ed002, with respect..

The owners have made a big mistake. Forget DEADLINE DAY, we needed to buy a striker if Carroll was being moved on.

Case and point.

Lee YNWA {Ed002's Note - Why not blame the manager? He decides which players he wants. If an out-and-out striker was what was wanted then Dempsey would not have been the answer. Given that practically none of the fans wanted Carroll to be anywhere near the side last season (try searching on "pony-tailed donkey") and he was not wanted by the manager it does not seem to be the greatest example to use. If a buyer could have been found earlier for CArroll (perhaps by accepting Newcastle's offer) then perhaps that money could have been invested in a striker. It now seems that Mr Henry and his poor wife have become targets of a sickening hate campaign. How would you feel about intitutional ownership?)

No we were the poor side, beaten by an average side.

Perhaps its just a realistic reaction to the worst start to a season in 50 years. And everyone who has a logistic brain can pin point the deficiencies in the squad and blaming the management for never filling them out even if they tried to. Just try to be in our shoes ed for the last four seasons. We might be top 10 spenders in the world, but we are no where near top 10 in the world. Also I saw your comments yesterday that Owners don't deserve fans like us. Well ed we are supporters of Liverpool Football Club, not the FSG. Owners come and go, but supporters always stay. Well Mr.Werner said we have resources to compete against anyone this world. If thats not money and he is referring to squad of the club, then he must be biggest liar in the world or the biggest jack ass moran. I know U will give me all kinds of abusing adjectives and names attached to me. But try to be in our shoes and all the kinds of false promises given to us.

AJ

Sorry eds - but I dont think its a massive reaction. FSG have overseen the weakening of our squad by doing nought on Friday. Ian Ayre part is also shocking. They run our club and lets us all down in a huge way. By leaving us with a squad that clearly cannot compete, how will this team score away at Stoke etc.. 19 premier lge managers would not have allowed Carroll to leave FACT!

Phil Belfast {Ed002's Note - I have spent the last year explaining not to expect a sprending spree and everytime I have said it the cretins throw abuse at me. I am surprised a deal was not for Dempsey and Carroll left without cover. The lesson learned was to have accepted the bid for Carroll from Newcastle and re-invested the money. We are where we are now and have to get on with it.}

You can trust Ed2
To dispense some hard medicine
out to the Kneejerk Glory Hunters!!

They just find any excuse win lose or draw
To find a way of slagging a player or board
member or even the owners wife.
For gods sake Grow up and support the
Team

Take your bitbull terrier out for a walk in
Your sports direct. Trackie bottoms and
Baseball cap and calm down

Lyndon

Lyndon, denial is a bitter and twisted sickness..

Get well soon...

Deluded. to the sickness person

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:41:51
if im reading right on here is that ian ayre is to blame , but he must have got his instructions from the owners not to pay over the odds , dempsey for me was a scoring midfielder , and with his age he would be more likely to get injured and be out for longer , but not to bid 6 mill when we had about 5 in sales and loans is criminal . todays bench shows how much trouble we are in , why dod not BR put morgan on the bench just incase something happend to our 2 strikers , as a liverpool fan i want us to win and do well , or at least win , like we all do ,i know it does not happen anymore but for ian ayre to leave the squad so bare it is criminal and he should be sacked , all we can hope for his someone out of contract and a bit bigger and stonger than borini , owner is not bigger , grogba would not be worth it , but i think anelka if he is free would do a job for us , i also dont think we have hit rock bottom yet , and the way we are going no good player will want to come to us , and one final thing is that , could we have got better than borini for the money we paid

mickey b

It's amazing FSC and Ayre could afford and sanctioned £35m for AC but would not sanction £7m foerDempsey

Bobbinred

Its amazing we sold Carroll and Babel that same day so had funds; not to mention we will recoup 20m of the Carroll money so only a 15m loss.

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:36:29
Hi eds, could u tell me why isnt assaidi playing yet? Thank you {Ed002's Note - He has only just arrived at the club as a squad player - his chances will come.}

02 Sep 2012 15:42:51
one word....WOEFULL.... some one needs to wake up and smell the coffee fast. 50 years ive supported the reds and most of the current squad are not worthy of the shirt and badge...Scousered

02 Sep 2012 15:42:47
Right, positives from the match were allen, shelvey, agger and sterling.

Allen: very composed in possession and has hit the ground running.

Shelvey: made the most of his time on the pitch and played really well, should defintely get more chances.

Agger: class act, put in some well time tackles and did everything right

Sterling: you know you have a gem when a 17 year old boy is outperforming the senior players in your team.

All I can say is that we need to sign michael owen. We dont have the depth, as evident by our bench today.

Cheers

Sam

I agree with everything apart from Owen. Sterling and Allen were brilliant. And I'm sorry, but Shelvey should be on in midfield instead of Gerrard. I would say put Gerrard up front on the right, but he's got no one to cross the ball in to. We are going to struggle until we can get in a number 9, simple as.
But Owen? I'd prefer van nistelstroodle! It's going to be a hard 3 months. I guess we will see which players have got that I inner steel. We are missing Lucas (again!).

Nick

02 Sep 2012 15:42:07
Look we had massive problems, endless problems when FSG stepped in.

However they lack the resources or strategy to stop our decline.

Its like me buying a scrapped vintage Ferrari for £70,000 and then thinking I can fix it up for £2000.

All FSG have achieved is to slow the decline.

Stirling and any other promising young player will be snapped up by a big club.

Our biggest problem last season? Lack of goals. We have not adressed the squads fundamental weakness merely made the squad weaker.

FSG what is the point of you owning this club?

Fantastic Post

K.O.B

TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF US WHO PAY GOOD MONEY TO WHATCH

3 of the stupidest fans.

Over 50m invested transfer wise

Over 50m spent on the losses our club makes

One of the biggest wage bills under Rafa for what was an average squad at best

FSG have made no money from us just lost over 100m; even selling the club they wouldn't recoup that much profit.

SO SHUT UP, SUPPORT THE TEAM AND DON'T BE PRICKS

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:42:06
What a joke.
1 point from 9.
2 goals scored and 7 conceded.
So much for the promise of a great season.
So what is the 'plan B' when 'plan A' fails.
Woeful finishing, no power up front, and worst of all that is the 'best' we have.

02 Sep 2012 15:41:56
the dossier that brendon rodgers compiled as he read it yet ,liverpool played like a sunday pub team garbage

02 Sep 2012 15:41:54
Well gents, let's dissect this.

First and foremost, Clint Demspey wouldn't have won us the match. So we can get that out of the way.

Second. I dunno who reads my bull on here, but I said at the start of the summer the summer that I thought sacking Kenny would be a mistake, because we were deficient in one area only: sticking it in the net. And keeping Kenny to fix that would be more likely to sort it out than bringing in a new manager with new ideas. Obviously, others were too fixated on Carroll and Henderson's transfer fees. We quite clearly have and are going to have the same problem this season, and one of the new manager's new ideas (namely that Carroll isn't a suitable player for him) has contributed to our current lack of strikers. Now that being said, it's only three league games in, and more importantly I have nothing like the feeling of utter dread I had watching us play under Hodgson, even this early in the season. So I do think Rodgers can be a success. There may be some pain in the short term, though.

Third. Reina. I genuinely did not think he was off form last season, he was just unlucky by the nature of his attempts to second guess the striker that made a couple of goals he conceded look really soft. But he's made three bad mistakes in as many games, and I thought he might have saved Podolski's effort too. He needs to sort himself out, or we have to seriously look at playing Brad Jones.

The simple reality is that we've sacked three managers since the end of the 2009-10 season, we now have to stick with Rodgers, give him time and give him support, and make sure the owners know (preferably without abusing them, you classy gents) that's what we want.

It's either that or chant 'Rodgers out' and see what complete git we get in after him (Redknapp anyone?), since the owners probably won't give it to Rafa and others might be too worried about being sacked after half a year.

- Something Red -

Dempsey wouldn't have even been cleared; in fact no deadline day signing would have unless before noon; so stop crying about the stupid transfers we did good business in the whole.

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:41:49
How come tht Assidi isn't gettin on the bench or seeing anythin of him yet he is an attacker hu can beat a man one on one y ain't we seen him!

02 Sep 2012 15:41:40
Deadline day will haunt us for a long time! Not hoping for success straight away, but we've go to better than that! But let's not forget we've been given a very hard start, still keeping faith

RedSpud

02 Sep 2012 15:40:50
Frustrating as it may be, but we actually played quite well. Allen was immense, Sterling lively, Suarez and Gerard were poor. However, still early days. I'm keeping the faith. Webb is still the biggest knob. Singred

02 Sep 2012 15:40:23
Shelvey>Gerrard
Gerrard i feel only adds good crosses to our game at the moment, which is not too useful without having Carrol.

02 Sep 2012 15:39:52
Of course you deserved to win every game.
Of course the officials got it wrong (again)
Of course you played (as always) better football than the opposition.
Of course no matter how many matches you lose, it will be unjust and you should have won.
Football is just not fair is it?

Tree Blue {Ed063's Note - Of course West Brom thumped you yesterday}

You see?! That's the problem! Youse all criticised us for posting on your stupid toffee page, now you come here to spit your dumb remarks! So who's spiting who?! Go away, you tosser! Singred

Try to post something new will you,you posted the same dross on the bitters site last nitewhen somebody remarked on your defeat to west brom

Of course you haven't won a trophy in about 50years.
AnfieldUSA

Haha, WBA hammered your lot worse Ed!

Thumped?? 2-0?

Could of been worse it might of been 3-0!(thicko)

Like the arsenal fans sang... Everton are better than you, everton are better than you :)

Tree Blue

02 Sep 2012 15:39:37
I don't think we deserved to win, but I don't think we were as bad as people make out to be. There were spells where I felt we did well. Yes we were lacking in the attacking third yet again. I remember Suarez had a chance after being put through by Gerrard which he tried to lob it over the keeper, when what he really should have done is smash it home. That for me was the most frustrating part of the whole game. It's still early days. I can't believe people are comparing this team to Hodgson's. The difference being that while we are currently playing well, Hodgson's or even Dalglish's were not. I do feel that the centre backs are quite exposed and the full backs always caught too far upfield. I would advise everyone against overreacting. Of course we are all disappointed that no one came in on Friday but we should keep our heads up.

Keith YNWA

02 Sep 2012 15:39:21
You'll all be on the phone for a Crisis Loan in the morning!

02 Sep 2012 15:36:35
Thing is, their main striker in Giroud had a bad game, had really no influence on the game, yet they score two goals? First goal was down to a mistake, second goal marks Reina's billionth mistake.. :/ dissapointed.

Reina: Shocking
Johnson: Good going forward.
Skrtel: Average
Agger: Average
Enrique: Improvement
Allen: Excellent
Gerrard: Terrible
Sahin: Nervous, not comfortable - will improve though.
Sterling: Brilliant - Only player that looks a threat..
Borini: Awful
Suarez: Awful
Downing: No influence on the game
Shelvey: Solid

02 Sep 2012 15:39:29
Don't know why Shelvey didn't/doesn't start.

He's the only Midfielder we have who looks to and likes to attack and get himself into attacking and shooting positions; Except for Stevie who loos like he's lost his hunger.

Sahin, Allen and Lucas are not this type of player and are defensive and pass minded players - And you can't start a game with 2 DM's...then who do we have to get in to good positions in the final 3rd?

As usual always 1 player in the box. Until Shelvey came on.

Deserved loss.

Disappointed but unsurpried...

StrabaneRed

02 Sep 2012 15:39:28
I think we played well today pissed of with the end result. Its a shame but I think it may be time to slowly limit Gerrard and start using shelvey instead who I believe has been playing better. Hopefully things improve for gerrard and liverpool but we'll have to be patient. Its annoying but its true.

Have you been watching pub team football all your life ,I've been watching Liverpool for 40 years and that is worst I ever seen for the second home game of the season

2nd poster is deluded; we weren't that bad. Alan Smith has polluted so many fans opineon of our performance.

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:39:21
You'll all be on the phone for a Crisis Loan in the morning!

02 Sep 2012 15:38:42
Well after watching the Arsenal game things look grim. I hope Ian Ayre and co are happy with their work.

02 Sep 2012 15:38:36
Oh dear, what more can be said.
Time to go FSG, you lack ambition and focus.
Worry more about the damn wage bill, than the team performance.

If you want to be like Rangers go support QPR, they have an astronomical wage bill and will be relegated then liquidated.

Or we can do what Arsenal have done or Dortmund and build the proper way; through profit and the youth. Not a sugar daddy and debt

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:38:18
Nutcase! What plan B? We don't even have a plan A. We deserve all the abuse from the Arsenal supporters. We're tragic.

Why were you lot so certain that you would beat us when were having a better season?

Clg

02 Sep 2012 15:37:49
Why dont the owners just think to themselves: "Maybe we need a striker. Lets go buy Falcao for 50 odd million. That should guarantee us Champions League" {Ed002's Note - They don't have the money to do that - very few clubs do.}

02 Sep 2012 15:37:40
When did Jamie redknapp become Michael Owens agent? There's a reason he doesn't have a club Jamie, he is s!?t

02 Sep 2012 15:37:40
suarez is useless,what does he offer ? the fact we have to rely on him to score goals really worries me,i also think reina could do with being left on the bench for a while,he is a liability at this stage

pd

Suarez offers trickery around the box ,if you know how to manage your players .but he will never score 25 goals a season as a striker .HE IS NOT A STRIKER .

02 Sep 2012 15:37:30
Look on the bright side, atleast it wasn't bad enough to bring Downing on!

Oh wait...

02 Sep 2012 15:37:23
First of all, well done Arsenal, classic counter-attacking football.

Just back from the game.

Suarez needs to drop deeper as the defence holds a deeper back-line with him on their shoulder which restricts the attack on the flanks.

Borini needs another go in the centre of attack as the lad can get onto crosses and in between the two centre halves. I reckon the lad WILL score goals.

Shelvey should start.

Stevie needs dropping for a kick up the ring-piece.

Later kids.

DaveyBootle

Amen brother.

JitB JFT96
YNWA

02 Sep 2012 15:37:17
Some positives: Stirling and Allen are CLASS. If we had them
last season we could have made CL. Shelvey had a good game too. Problem is still the final third. Downing playing
left back last game and forward right this one - sorry, that's not how to manage a football team BR.

I don't think it's BR's fault with Downing. He hasn't got any other options up front.

He had Assaidi or henderson. i was shocked that i actually wanted gerrard to be repalced by henderson around about 55min mark when borini got subbed.

02 Sep 2012 15:36:59
Hi eds what are the chances of us getting Owen in or drogba? Both are free agents?

Thanks Connor {Ed002's Note - Owen is a free agent. Drogba at this time remains under contract but there are some issues. He is not due back in China for a couple of weeks as far as I know, and as you are aware he has been in Cobham with the Chelsea players this week. There is interest declared with his agents from Manchester City, Anzhi and another Russian side - probably Zenit and the US - probably amongst others.}

Plus his 250k a week which would be £9m over 9 months until next summer.

And we refused to pay 6m for Dempsey

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:36:55
Well i really fear for are season this year we play nice football but cant do the dirty work to get a result the amount of space we gave arsenal in are half is jus not good enough are defence has crumbled since steve clarks departure and lookin at are bench i jus shook my head in disbelief. despite what people think about PACHECO he is dangerous in the box, as is MORGAN yet they was not on now carroll has gone we do not have that plan B brendan rodgers really needs hav alook at the team cos lets face gerrard aint the player he use to be and hes turning into a liability as is enrique and reina.
In the transfer window we needed more than jus a striker we also need a goalkeeper and jack buckland would of been my choice young and hungry the tracking back was so poor i could not believe it gerrard was walking back so was nuri sahin just not good enough.

On the other hand joe allen and raheem sterling was equally the man of the match for me but as things stand i fear for liverpool fc long way go but these problems need to be irradicated.

ACHILLES.

02 Sep 2012 15:40:08
Andy carroll would have fit this game perfectly. Carroll holding up play giving time for the mids to get forward...
Flicking on for Suarez and sterling. He would have caused haverk today. We have a very week squad

Borini sterling downing? Are you havin a laugh Fenway?
Yeah that will compete with van Persie, Rooney, nernandes, welbeck,Valencia,young, nani!

Or hazard mata Torres sturridge Marin
I'm not even gunna bother wrighting city's forward line.

So disappointed more yank owners with false promises. Everyone thinks they have spent money but they havent!
Torres 50mill mereles 15mill babel 8mill sold! 75mill.
So really they have invested 25mill into the club!
This year sold are crappy players got prob 10 mill out of it,
An gave us 25mill again. Then refused to cough up anymore money! 50mill spent in 2years stoke have spent more!

Torres 50m
Meireles 11m
Maxi, Kuyt, and the crew 13m
Babel 8m

= 82m

Carroll 35m
Suarez 23m
Downing 20m
Hendo 16m
Enrique 4m
Adam 8m
Yesil and other youngsters 4m
Allen 15m
Borini 10m

=135m

Just over 50m in cash injected for Transfers.

Obviously covering the 50m of losses we made plus another 50m this year.

Also they secured the biggest sponsorship deals in our history in contribution to fixing us.

FSG are not a Sugar Daddy but are Clever.

Ben {Ed002's Note - H&G were respnsible for Standard Chartered.}

02 Sep 2012 15:40:06
hi guys well this is the worst start we have done in 50 years that's a fact even worse than last season. im so so piss*d off right now let's face it were no longer the team we used to be of the eighties were now a mid table team it hurts me to say it but it's true. i want ian ayre out the door a.s.a.p.

We havent been the team of the 80s for over 20 years; some deluded fans might come crashing down to that sooner rather than later.

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:35:22
What the hell was that? Played ok for first ten minutes and then Arsenal came out of the dressing room. Worst match I have seen Gerrard play. Pepe is clearly wondering why he didn't leave in the window... so am I. Sterling was terrific but he's going to get burnt out if we have to rely on him for any kind of spark this season. The push for 4th place is not over today but will probably be over by the time first 6 matches are done. At least the cricket is going well !!

Watched the match here in Australia, we do not have a goal scorer as everyone is saying, is it BR fault ?? Who knows, we have nothing up front, Borini is not up to the task, he is not a pool player and in my opinion never will be, let AC go with no replacement again is that BR fault or was he fed rubbish by the owners. Again who knows. Got young Joe and he looks the real deal but until Jonjo came on no steel in the the centre of the park. Like the way we play but to be fair no difference from when Kenny in charge, good footbal and nothing up front...... Oh for Ian Rush or Robbie or dare I say Michael Owen in his hay day we miss them. They have NEVER been replaced

Arsenal 2011/12

Shhhhh

02 Sep 2012 15:35:07
There goes liverpool season...no finisher up front, another goal denied by the woodwork, another blunder by reina...same story different day. i do not blame rodgers, but we just dont have the players. suarez is more suitable as a wide player, while borini is just not performing. deadline day s#rew job is really goin to cost us this season...looking foward to more dissapointment in the europa league.

Who do u think orders borini to play wide and suarez at the centre..who selects allen to sit back and play not yet ready sahin to play up at this pace..wrong formation..BR is to be blamed pretty clearly..had it been any other manager who just dont talks so well everyone would be blaming him..so much for youth and his own signing assaidi and he leaves 3 defenders including carra on the bench while none of morgan, pacheco,suso,assaidi gets a chance..its just his tika taka story and smooth pr skills otherwise he would be in real threat..just hope he doesnt overuse young sterling at 17..

Br should take most of the blame for todays game.1 not given carroll a chance.2 borini is his man and is not good enough for a starting place "just yet".3 the lack of a plan b as we could of played all day and not scored.4 like for like subs so no changing the style of play.5 not having morgan on the bench.

redman

who ever is to blame for missing out on gaston, dempsey,and a replacement for carroll should go!! {Ed002's Note - Liverpool did not miss out on Gaston Ramirez.}

Although we never made a bid for GR we did have a long look at him,and somebody decided against the move for him,and that somebody is still at the club!!

If he scores 10 goals with 8 assists at Southampton then you can big him up.

He has done nothing good yet, there is a reason nobody else wanted him

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:36:23
Very tired performance today,the Hearts game didn't help but that's down to having a very poor and small squad,so when we have to play 2 games in a week we are finished.

Never thought I would say this but I we Totally lack up front I would bring back Heskey and Owen

alan50

02 Sep 2012 15:36:11
eds will we go for a director of football ? {Ed063's Note - Doubt it}

02 Sep 2012 15:34:40
Get Yesil in!!

02 Sep 2012 15:34:35
Did everyone watch the same game? We once again out player arsenal but we cannot finish! I'm sorry but if we had dempsey scoring all the chances we created was ridiculous they only got us on the counter attack.. I'm fed up of watching us dominate teams with out actually shooting shelvey came on and looked brilliant btw.. Bet FSG are regretting being stubborn gits now {Ed063's Note - Thankyou! We did everything but score, made two mistakes and got punished. Thats what happens against quality but the posts are way over the top talking about relegation}

Problem is Ed 63 When we keep losing the easy things become hard as the pressure builds up and players don't perform
and there was more than 2 mistakes we can't play BR system we don't have the players

K.O.B

I would disagree about Dempsey scoring 'all the chances'. He's not really a natural striker.

And to be honest, we carved out one really clear one for Suarez at the end. The others were half chances - decent half chances that on balance you should get one of, but not sitters.

Still, we have to give this time.

- Something Red -

Sorry Ed063 but we made a ridiculous number of mistakes. The amazing thing is that only two of them led to goals for our opponents. I support LFC as much as you or any other fan BUT can you honestly hold up your head and say we're better than we were last season? I just think you're trying to keep us on a positive tip but it's getting really hard from match to match AND even when we've played well like against Man City last week we still cannot win due to mistakes. {Ed063's Note - Rodgers has had three league games - he needs time}

'Over the top talking about relegation'??...OH REALLY??...the prospect of relegation should VERY MUCH be at the FOREFRONT of our minds.

Do you need to be reminded that we were on relegation form in the second half of last year. This season is just a continuation of that form...so, why should relegation be such a ridiculous notion Ed? How has our team been bolstered significantly enough to make relegation a needless worry?

People need to understand our proud history and being the great LFC means nothing if we keep getting 1 point every 3 games...yes, even Liverpool is not immune from demotion.

I posted earlier in the year that this season is a CRUCIAL and PIVOTAL season moreso than we have had in many years. With a threadbare, grossly underperforming squad, by the time meaningful reinforcements arrive--January at the earliest--we may be already facing the reality that we have dug ourselves a hole far, far too deep from which to be extricated.

With our form from last year and the beginning of this season, we are closer to playing championship football than we are being champions.

So, be afraid...be very afraid!

Red (Not Blue) Lenses

02 Sep 2012 15:34:34
I Have to Say BR I think is a good Manager
But I think players and system is all being changed way to qucik
K.O.B

02 Sep 2012 15:34:26
there are only two teams on merseyside now everton & tranmere do people still believe we should cont to let the team gel or realist thinking good chance bottom half finish if we lucky

02 Sep 2012 15:34:22
when will sell Reina , Gerrard and Suarez all absolute rubbish today, Reina and Gerrard to go asap , no shots on goal agian , Suarez and Borini both rubbish

02 Sep 2012 15:33:39
Pepe reina wot a joke ! A disaster worst start in 50 years !!

02 Sep 2012 15:33:29
I give it one month before we get the sack BR crap and bring in Harry. {Ed002's Note - Or Super Stevie Nicol.}

Ed Steve Nicol was a super player,Why do you mock him? {Ed063's Note - Because he is a terrible manager}

I heard he did well at new patriots wasn't he there 9yrs.Surely if he was there 9yrs he couldn't be so terrible.I think mocking a great servant to the club in that way is a bit uncalled for.I am happy with Brendan Rodgers,so there is no need for Steve Nicol.

02 Sep 2012 15:33:26
terrible, even the blind faith brigade will have trouble taking positives out of that performance. cant see any improvement on last seasons finish and its only the third game! poor.

02 Sep 2012 15:33:20
Even the ads on this website have got a sense of what is going on: visitmanchester.com, etc.

Piledriver

02 Sep 2012 15:30:48
Will everyone give it a rest on slating our club. We have one of the harderst set of firtst 5 games in years and everyone is giving up already. Yes we got beat today but its against a side thats not conceded yet and looks every bit opf a team, that will compete for the title this year. lets get to ten games in then you can come out with your opinions. We played well today, the only thing missing was a goal and we wasnt too far from getting one.

Mike B

Mate, we are always close to scoring, but thats no good as close isn't good enough!

We played well today.
Do me a favour MIKE B and go and flush your head down the bog for a wake up call.
You are deluded, how can everyone see.
Its time to admit were in the sh1t and get a striker in.

Played well haha did you watch the game, you know we haventplayed well when anfield is as dead as that, it was a disgrace of a performance and players should not pick up this weeks pay packet.

LTP

Played well? what game did you watch? apart from sterling and allen the rest were awful. arsenal are by no means a great team either, face facts.

02 Sep 2012 15:30:47
Embarrasing would be an understatement from players and supporters, only what was expected after the last few days fiasco

02 Sep 2012 15:30:33
All on here slating brendan rodgers.

That is what u call a disaster.

Listen the guy is not to blame at the end of the day we new we are no were near good enough for top 4 arsenalshowed today how far we are away. He has bought joe allen anybody complaining? Point is he has not been backed deep down he will be angry. The money men are the ones to blame we let carrol go to get rod of his wages and not got us anyone else. U seenthe bench today rodgers is in a doomed position. I fell sosorry for him..

Also important to note how bad suarez has been!

Disagree with you mate we weren't that rubbish last year end of .

The one stipulation when BR was appointed was that he had full control and there was to be no DoF etc... This means that he makes all the decisions regarding players and their movement. Therefore he must take all responsibility for what is happening as far as the team is concerned.

FT

02 Sep 2012 15:30:23
I cannot believe what I am watching, this is the worst showing from a Liverpool team for decades. We are a shambles off the park and now a shambles on it - I really, seriously fear for our survival.

I stated at the time that we would regret getting rid of Rafa and I stand by this today - I would honestly have him back in a heart beat. All of this incompetence off and on the pitch would not be happening if he was back.

We should give BR until christmas and if nothing improves (although I don't see how it can get any worse) get rid and appoint Rafa.

FT {Ed063's Note - Great idea, give him 3 more months. Thats not being impatient at all}

Im sick of reading this kind of panic stricken rubbish Rodgers will be fine get behind the team
avoorochie

Blind faith is next to delusion in the list of greatest sins.

Without hope we are all lost, but that is all we have now - Hope

02 Sep 2012 15:30:18
Eds have we got any chance of drogba and or owen ? coz if not were in trouble after that today !!

02 Sep 2012 15:30:11
Stop using Brendan Rodgers as a scape goat! He's been left in the trenches by Ian ayre and co. and can only pick a team from the available players. It's not his fault Suarez cries like a girl when anyone goes within a metre of him. Or, the fact that he can't hit a barn door. He was obviously promised clint Dempsey nd maybe another player for him to even consider loaning Carroll. I don't think he should take the blame when it's certain players and individuals not doing there Job proper!
St. Helen's Red

02 Sep 2012 15:29:48
Who televises championship games...will it be easy to watch lfc next season when we go down?

slimboy

The sound of a fan who doesn't watch us.

Steven Taylor said going down was the best thing to happen to Newcastle: it meant the over expectant fans got a reality check.

If we go down though I will come to your house and become your own personal slave; along with any other muppet who thinks were getting relegated.

PS Go put a bet on our relegation if your so sure.

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:29:08
Our best player by a mile is 17 yrs old, that tells its own story.............. {Ed063's Note - Yes. That he is one hell of a 17 year old}

02 Sep 2012 15:32:32
On the plus side Allen and Stirling.On the negative side you have to question the likes of Borini,Enrique,Johnson Gerrard Reina for their constant mistakes.You also have to question the owners and who ever is advising them as the decision making at a top club like Liverpool is laughable and unprofessional.The knock on affect of the transfer saga has huge implications on the club commercially and financially.The inability of the board has put the team back another 12 months,this will promt FSG to show their cards on whether to ride the storm or to retrieve their investment.
AH

02 Sep 2012 15:32:14
Hey Guys

Another poor display from our forwards. Midfield and defense are playing well. We dominate possession, however do nothing in the final 3rd. Suarez for all his flicks and tricks, creates very little And scores less. Borini is useless. No pase, skill or finishing. Sterling the only playing to cause defenders some problems.

We have no plan B after selling Carrol, it's gonna be a long season, however 3 new forwards, and we could be a force again.

SA Red

02 Sep 2012 15:31:43
Shelvy was excellent wen he came on. Sterling was good, allen was excellent and the rest were poor. Bad result but these comments get br and the owners ot r ridiculous. If we fail to reach the top 4 this seaon I believe the owners cud review the situation and consider selling on the club.

Melbourne'

02 Sep 2012 15:31:36
Blimey,,, we where atrocious today, not surprised though, the players must be wondering what the hell is going on! Do the people that run/own our historic club have any idea how much damage they caused the other night!

I am an eternal optomist and I love my club but I actually fear the worst for the next 9 months.

Red Rob

The players must be wondering what the hells going on?

They should know, they let themselves down. Allen and Sterling did their best but the others should be ashamed.

Reina needs to be dropped; Fergie drops De Gea to give him a reality check that he
isn't the only keeper.

I wonder if BR has the balls that niether Kenny, Hodgson or Rafa to drop Gerrard when he is playing this bad.

I would say drop Suarez but we would not have an accomplished player to replace. He is very selfish, volatile and needs to get his head up.

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:31:33
Bad start bad bench bad performance Wer on the way for a reparation battle 1 point from 9 be 1 from 12 after united game hopefully things pick up I don't blame rodgers I blame ayre for lack of signing as owners said funds wer available :/ he said it's a 4 year plan rome wasn't built in a day & for the folk who want BR out are a disgrace after 3 game how canwe get any wer wen we change manager more times than anything IMO back THE WHOLE OF LFC or STFU I no people going to hate me :/ but oh well

In Rodgers I trust!

YNWA

BIG RED JAYY

It would be 1 from 15 after the united game as you surely know we play Sunderland before United.

I mean Jeez at least get your totally bafoonistic comments factually correct.

PS Arsenal 2011/12 says it all about having a bad start and ending strong, and Everton

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:31:19
Taxi for BR

Get over yourself.
if you speak like that your not a true liverpool fan

02 Sep 2012 15:31:17
Ok a disappointing result but there are positives that we can turn it around. I really liked our midfield. A bit more direction up front and we will be ok.

Mighty reds

Direction up front no good if no one plays up there

Absolute nonsense!

The Irish Rover

02 sep 2012 15:31:17
the 'key' players had an off day , and we were toothless upfront.

02 Sep 2012 15:31:04
Time to swallow our pride and get Drogba or Owen. Right now we're not looking like scoring.

02 Sep 2012 15:30:59
Very mediocre performance. I'll always support the team but I guess we shouldn't expect anything from any game, maybe we'll get a few good surprises this way.
FrenchRed

02 Sep 2012 15:28:54
Dont worry boys, we still have Morgan and Pacheco at the club! Isnt that right Ed!?

The Irish Rover

02 Sep 2012 15:28:52
Before the calls for Owen strike up again, he scored 5 league goals in 31 matches for United.

What makes anyone else think he'll be better than what we have. Today was a tough game from a tough and most importantly a well organised team.

Sahin isn't fully there, Jonjo should have started.

That's five more than LFC

02 Sep 2012 15:28:50
really think we will be lucky to stay in the prem, no squad depth, no idea of what they are doing at all, starting to get the gillet & hicks feeling all over again.

scott derby

Go support United then

Ben

02 Sep 2012 15:28:42
We didn't honestly look like we were gonna score from about 60 minutes. Terrible home display and a bench with no proven goalscorer either.

02 Sep 2012 15:28:38
We pass the ball but just too slowly, lets hope it improves. Top 4 no chance, top 8 would be a good season. Suarez is a good player but has to stop diving as when he does get fouled the ref is so fed up he doesnt give it. Sterling can hold his head high today. I hate the idea of owen but Thommo got it spot on yesterday....needs must! Is Ian Ayre the permanent MD, I thought he was acting? We need someone to run the club.

02 Sep 2012 15:28:37
Just managed to catch the last 20 mins, we were all over them, just couldn't score, Shelvey was awesome, commentators were saying we outplayed Arsenal in every department, must of had a terrible first 70 mins by the way everyone is talking, from what I saw encouraging stuff and the commentators seem to agree.

Tobey

Something must be wrong with your tv mate

No. they sat back cos they had won the game

02 Sep 2012 15:28:09
eds, will today's dreadful performance force liverpool into the signing of a free agent , if so, who are the possibilities? And by the way sterling was awesome.
Akeel {Ed002's Note - You are clutching at straws. Free agents don't have a club for a reason. They are not really the long term answer.}

Im sure we have a striker called yesil who we bought before deadline day and by all accounts hes had rave reviews in germany and we know the germans know a footballer when they see them. But as always he is too young at 18 to throw him in because he isn't ready yet or his body hasnt fully developed and he may pick up an injury here and there. Load of absolute garbage, get them in the team and see what they are all about, never know just might be an absolute gem. Sick of it!

Ian the red

Ian the Red must not have seen Morgan on Thursday or Sterling versus Arsenal or City

Something KK didn't have the balls to do.

Ben

02 sep 2012 15:28:09
please no knee jerk reactions please!!

we've been through this after west nrom and then it was completely different after man city.

please domt male this a boring page for a whole day!

02 Sep 2012 15:28:02
Rubbish Owners who have no ambition buy a smaller club your not wanted at liverpool.

02 Sep 2012 15:27:58
A yes man as manager. I will take rafa anyday over BR.

Football is about scoring goals not just playing 5 yard pases.
Posession does not score goals.
Suarez will not score more then 15 league goals.he is not good enough CF.tricks don't win matches.
We will not finish top 10.

I love a word rafa used to say compact. I could have driven a bus in middle of CM.

Red indian

02 Sep 2012 15:27:55
looks like we are going backwards. and ffs u can hit it up the pitch if ur in trouble . passing it out isnt always best

02 Sep 2012 15:27:25
I have an idea to save time - when Liverpool are awarded a corner or free kick just outside the box let the opposition goalkeeper take a goal-kick - he's going to have to do that anyway within seconds!
Dutchmal
I'm off to Amsterdam again Ed 001 - I'm really going to enjoy myself again!!! {Ed002's Note - Don't speak to girls and steer clear of the devil's parsley and you will be fine.}

Are you jealous again Ed002 - I'm an old (and I do mean old) hand at this game!
Dutchmal {Ed002's Note - I would love to be there with you Dutchmal but I am pretty sure my wives would object.}

Neither would mine - at least they're the opposite sex to me!
Dutchmal

02 Sep 2012 15:27:13
That's it...last time I bothered about LFC and that after 47 years of supporting the reds. Thanks FSG for laying the foundations for the end of the LFC.

Agreed I have supported for 54 years, I have had enough of this rubbish. R.I.P LFC.

Okay, see you next week!

More like sold them out from under us by selling to buy and letting that person Ayre(Parry's lovechild) in charge.

Yeah, blame FSG, and not Kenny Daglish. He's the one that got Liverpool into this mess.

Same here. im going to support a team that is going to win trophys and play champions league football every year.

02 Sep 2012 15:27:10
Micheal owen spotted at melwood today!

02 Sep 2012 15:26:51
Rumour just in, last season we hit the post 36 times, this season we won't score 36 goals.

Toothless.

02 Sep 2012 15:26:16
Quick question to Ed's,do u think we will survive relegation?

I just can't believe this is my beloved LFC I'm watching today,I've said along and I'll say again, the owners wanted a yes man that's why they never hired Rafa Benitez,as he would have challenged them big time and they have falsley promised BR but he'll accept it and say yes and move on,I'll be surprise if we seriously finish above QPR as well

Bring back Rafa benitez
DK london {Ed063's Note - Of course we will. Give Rodgers time for god sake}

Ridiculous post. BR is and has done great so far! only thing i want is borini as the cf and suarez on the wing. but the play is great. br must be fuming at fsg for not getting him the goal scorer he needed. br was lied to and thats why he let big andy go. anyway he is injured again so not much difference to be honest.

02 Sep 2012 15:25:58
That was embarrassing. A total lack of effort and cohesion. We are powder puff up front and no bite in midfield without Lucas. This will be a long hard season I think. Reina has been shocking so far this season and Rodgers signings, Allen apart, look far from convincing. The only bright spark is Raheem Sterling!

02 Sep 2012 15:24:41
please post we are now mid table team thanks breandan

It isn't Brendan Rogers on the field playing like S***

02 Sep 2012 15:24:37
think todays game shows that we do need a player or two at least. I do like the way BR is trying to play but it will take a while for Borinni Sahin even sterling to rise to the level you need in the premier league. All in all weather its Own Drogba who ever, we need a stronger squad. Carrol playing today v the gooner the way he played yesterday we would have been alot more dangerous

disapointed red

The way west ham played yesterday is no where near the way we played today. so big andy might or might not have made a difference.

02 Sep 2012 15:24:24
Wat a load of rubbishe and plse tell me how everyone but the spanks can't see we need a natural finisher

Midland red

02 Sep 2012 15:24:20
The fans were shouting somthing to do with FSG

02 Sep 2012 15:24:11
Laughable really both goals scored by players we were linked with but as usual didn't get!

02 Sep 2012 15:24:00
Hi Eds, what do you think are chances are of signing Owen or drogba? We need a goal scorer desperately. {Ed002's Note - I don't know about owen, but Drogba won't be signing.}

02 Sep 2012 15:23:50
edd plz could you post who are free agents strikers we need one asap.....not owen {Ed002's Note - Read the posts - I dealt with this.}

Erm I can only think of Drogba, Owen and the mighty David Healy !

Owen, Drogba, Anelka, Heskey, Sinama Pongolle, Tuncay and Klasnic are the only ones most on here would've head of.

- Something Red -

02 Sep 2012 15:23:37
come on then Rodgers how brave are you??.....Gerrard AND Reina need dropping,

Too right they do
Gerrard was awful
REINA IS rubbishE

02 Sep 2012 15:23:36
I think it's about time we started playing players based on their ability and form rather than names. Steven Gerrard has been great for us over the years, but he's been woeful for the past few years. Today he was dreadful, a midfielder who didn't put any work into the midfield. Always waiting for an attack and hardly tracking back. Now we were all bad today, with the exception of probably sterling, but gerrard as the captain is supposed to lead by example and he hardly did that.

I think BR will be the manager to do it. But it has to happen soon.

02 Sep 2012 15:23:27
Ed please post, for some reason none of my posts have gone

Redman10 {Ed002's Note - You write things like that and they get cut.}

02 Sep 2012 15:23:21
to say that this is a good arsenal side would be disrespectful to the good and great arsenal sides of the past but we have just made an average arsenal side look good and very comfortable and i for one am sick of making average sides look good (diaby - man of the match at anfield - FFS!). unfortunately after fridays mistakes, although we have quality on the bench, we are struggling to change a game and we do need morgan or yesil on the bench sooner rather than later because if they're not going to get experience now they never will. difficult season ahead but i, as always, will keep the faith.

wolfhound

02 Sep 2012 15:23:05
Right folks these r the facts.
Lfc do not have an out and out striker.
Carrol has gone and I would love to know why
Reina imo shud not be first choice but weres the competition?
Suaurez needs to change his attitude asap or shud be dropped but that's not even an option
Gerrard is well past it and has still too much influence.
And lastly there r problems that need to be sorted upstairs I.e ayre and the owners
Allen is a top class midfielder
Edd001?

Melbourne '

02 sep 2012 15:23:01
liverpool deadline day?? say no more

More like D-Day...

02 Sep 2012 15:22:39
Just feel that BR obsession of playing like Barca will backfire, we trying to walk ball into 6 yd box. Teams have cottoned onto that style, that's why Chelsea won chumps league final.
BR needs to play to teams strengths not try to run before he can walk.

Wrong. Br is trying to turn us into a technically excellent side that can dictate and destroy teams which lfcshud be doing. Did u watch chelsea get destroyed by atletico, technically superior team and a worldclass striker which is the difference cor us unfortunately.

Melbourne'

Cottoned on to it? Probably why Spain struggled so badly at the euros.

Walt White

02 Sep 2012 15:22:39
We can't even beat a third choice keeper.i think Drogba is needed

02 Sep 2012 15:22:02
that was embarrassing. we got hammered.

02 Sep 2012 15:22:00
Another woeful and inept last 3rd performance....we have no forwards that look like scoring. I firmly believe Rodgers is a fool by pushing out Carroll. Suarez is a dalglish type link player not a rushie. Not quite sure what borini is or where he is meant to be playing. Suarez as central striker ain't working, need to try borini there or Morgan. Gerrard should've been hauled off n in my honest opinion we don't pass as well as last season n don't look anywhere near as dangerous...anyone can have 100% success rate going backwards n sideways....may have hit the bar n post a lot last season....tho that means we were getting players in the box....not this season....sterling n shelvey r the bright spots. Final thing....everyone saying we need to sell before we buy....dalglish pulled £70 odd million back so y have got no money?
Robert

02 Sep 2012 15:21:50
We wont beat utd and be lucky to get a draw at sunderland.so out of our first six games we'll have two points.talk your way out of that brendan.he's a worse manager than woy.go down as d worst manger lfc ever had. At least you will be rememberd for something brendan.

Pratt, what a pathetic load of rubbish you talk. I really think people like you should be banned from posting.

02 Sep 2012 15:21:32
Tiki Taka-Barcelona more like Bradford. Long season ahead.

JR Red.

02 Sep 2012 15:21:19
Aaaaa!

I could actually do better then this myself. Doesnt even seem like we are trying.

WikingRedNor

02 Sep 2012 15:20:38
not top 4 but bottom 4 for me. We need 3 new forwards for the squad.

02 Sep 2012 15:19:40
Reina - Just not good enough anymore, Seems un-interested. Sell

Johnson - Good attacking decent defending high wage, But always try's. Keep

Skrtel - Great defender, Needs to learn to have confidence on the ball for BR system. Keep

Agger - Great defender, Good passer, Good attacking. MUST Keep

Enrique - All round good player but can be inconsistant. ?

Lucas - One of are best players. MUST Keep

Allen - The Future of Liverpool FC. MUST Keep

Gerrard - Save him for the big games now 10-15 a season, Plus play him higher up if he loses the ball there's plenty of players behind him to win it back. Keep

Suarez - World Class........On occasion, But would listen to high offers for him. Sell (30-35 mill)

Borini - It will come good for him, Need time and patience. Keep

Sterling - MUST MUST MUST Keep

Jones, Doni, Gulacsi, Wilson, Cole, Downing, Spearing, Carrol, Pacheco Need replacing.

Kelly, Coates, Robbinson, Flanagan, Shelvey, Henderson, Assaidi, Suso - Keep

Wisdom, Morgan, Yesil, to come through next

Long project will take time, Remember when Liverpool were dominating Man Utd and Fergi was buying young players and being mid table and now look at them, we will soon be back on our F**king perch boys.

UCCM

Suarez is crap

02 Sep 2012 15:19:32
I think the problem is BR seems to be accommodating Borini. Gerrard Sterling Suarez must lead the attack. Shelvey should play attacking midfielder down the centre. Sahin & Allen deep. The back 4 remaining the same. I was calling for this team before the game so don't think I'm just saying it cause we lost. SLODGE

Who else will he play squad rubbish

02 Sep 2012 15:19:25
One of the first quotes rodgers said when becoming liverpool manager, "i want to turn anfield into a fortress and make coming to anfield the hardest 90 minutes of your life"! well thanks brendan for making the arsenal match one of the most hardest and painful 90 minutes ever

02 Sep 2012 15:19:24
Liverpool will be known as a confidences team,if another team needs confidence then play us. We got sahin but it looks like it will take him a season to settle,borini maybe 6 months. Allen won't be able to play all league games & cups,if we rely on sterling so much at his young age there is a risk of burn out BR said if u have more possession of the ball u will win more than u lose but surely u need a decent stake force & players with pace & skill all ova the pitch we have 2 sterling. & Suarez!! I don't blame Fsg or H&G i blames Moores. I really hope he is enjoying his 50 pieces of silver!!!

02 Sep 2012 15:19:17
Before you all have a go at Reina yes he could have done better but they were hard hit shots, the problem is we are being over run in midfield and , they are having too much space. The whole team are playing is if they know they are a mid table team no desire at all and never played together before. Look totally dejected after transfer window. MrT

02 Sep 2012 15:19:09
feck

Says it all really

02 Sep 2012 15:19:00
Hoping to finish 4th this season,only 4 shots on target all game today.

Something tells me it is not going to happen

alan50

02 Sep 2012 15:18:50
Look at arsenal, that's how the passing game is meant to be played. With players of good enough quality and plenty of good options up front. Andy Carroll would have scored in this game and he's apparently not able to fit our style

02 Sep 2012 15:18:50
This is a joke no goalscorer for 2 years FSG and ayre need to go.

02 Sep 2012 15:18:49
I hate being negative but I need a rant to someone.....
Borini is terrible and we payed £11m for him? Who sanctioned that transfer and not 7m for dempsey? Gerrard is breaking my heart! I honestly think he is finished... And we have no centre forward to score goals.... Ill be honest were looking in a mess :( all this passing is fine in our own half but were terribly lacking up top and carry no threat whatsoever... Only posotives are Sterling and the fact I Love Liverpool football club! Poorly ran club its not Rodgers Fault,

Sorry
Alves

02 Sep 2012 15:18:47
shelvey and allen, only 2 good players. shelvs quality

02 Sep 2012 15:18:35
I can promise you this, if we continue to play crap like today, we'll be fighting relegation, that's a fact... Disagree all you want, but who the HELL do we have playing at the top of their game?? That's NOBODY folks. CRAP CRAP CRAP...

Shelvey on good form....

Piledriver

02 Sep 2012 15:18:31
Can't believe how crap Liverpool are this year. I'm sorry but all u fans that think we're a top four team are jokers...
We're a 7-8th team at best skrtel is not a good defender do clumsy a lot of mistakes... Suarez misses 9-10 chances
Gerard can't compete anymore... Those mentioned are supposed to be our TOP players... It's an apsalout inbarrisment... We're a laughing stock right now..

02 Sep 2012 15:17:56
Big mistake getting rid of kuyt, maxi and Carroll them 3 now would made a difference today, what's happened to Gerrard??? I'm really really disappointed with BR but I'm still going to give him a chance.

02 Sep 2012 15:17:23
Get the Yonks out.

02 Sep 2012 15:17:23
Same old Liverpool. All of the game,none of the goals. The only difference is we actually look slower. Allen is a delightful little player though. Believe it or not,we actually do need Carrol in this system because I see alot of crosses coming into that box. Borini... like a forward player version of Henderson. I have no idea what he's actually supposed to do? 8th at best again like I've already said. Not negative,just realistic.
Capetownred

02 Sep 2012 15:17:17
This is the worst Liverpool side i have seen in a long time! No firepower nothing! They look like one of the poorest teams in the league! We could go down playing like this!

02 Sep 2012 15:17:02
Is brad jones still here ed's, Reina really needs to be dropped along with gerrard. Oh and where are these youth strikers i keep hearing about to save out season?

slimboy

02 Sep 2012 15:16:57
Team with strikers that scores goals : 3 points
Team with lots of defenders and midfielders: 0 points

But hey, if we keep it up we'll get 1 point every other week.

Chronically depressed fan

02 Sep 2012 15:16:48
enrique,,agger,,allen..sterling,,sahin,,we might as well join a 5 a side league,,the rest not worth a toss

Shelvey was alright

I thought enrique was poor. So one dimensional, obvious what he is gonna do every time!

02 Sep 2012 15:15:03
Were worst off from last season. All you slating daglish atleast with him we actually looked like scoring just very unlucky with the woodwork, with this team we can't even muster a clear cut chance. What's worse is we have no options or plan b. Loaning Carroll was the worst decision so far and will be our downfall if we havnt already destroyed ourselves. Lfcpenny

02 Sep 2012 15:14:40
This is the biggest pile of s*** ever. Reina should be sacked, Suarez has been awful, Gerrard should of been hauled off at halftime. Are they being told don't shoot, i saw countless times a player coming to the edge of arsenal's box and then pass it away. Sahin for one and Johnson. Thank god for Sterling they need to copy his attitude, and not Suarez's posnious attitude. Si

02 Sep 2012 15:14:18
If you don't think there is a crisis at the football club please wake up!

02 Sep 2012 15:14:13
BR is useless paying 10 million for that crap he deserves the SACK 1 point no forwards who can score s**t manager s**t owners. Future looks really bright NOT

02 Sep 2012 15:14:10
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Stevie, but in this match against Arsenal he's simply awful,.. Ain't it time to drop the older players and start fresh with youngsters? Even Pep is awful, we've seen that at the end of last half of the season and it continues in this one. What's going up in BR's mind? Especially after latest transfer window?

02 Sep 2012 15:13:07
Ur not gonna like this and i wont be supprised if its not posted. But its time for the truth, even tho u Eds have disagreed previously .
Sahin had a bad day , he seemed like hes afraid to mark or just down.
Ive been saying this for a while now , Gerrard no longer merrits a starting place , even against westbrom he set us back.
Suarez plays in the middle in front three for Uruguay and he scores plenty , Y ? He plays with people who are tricksters like him . We cant play him in the centre, we cant give him the service he thrives on to score. But he can sure as hell play on the wing and give a CF spectacular service . Were playing out of position and i doubt he likes it.

Reina reina reina , i think we should call it a day.

There are alot of positives in the game , were playing good football.

This is for u Eds, u may not wanna admit it but we need drogba or anelka, we need a no nonsense CF , a real goal poacher, or we will keep playing good football with no results . That more than anything is very clear, morgan , borini, Yesil are nowhere near being ready for the deep end . Deny iy if u will . Hell i wouldve signed Berbatov and celebrated, hes exactly what we havent had, since El Nino left us calling.

02 Sep 2012 15:12:21
We should have sold Reina to raise funds as he is making to many mistakes these days.

Gerard is rubbish now and should be dropped to the bench.

And for us to have hardly any strikers is just pathetic, we need to make an appointment upstairs where they can negotiate and be quick in getting the deals done.

A fed up Liverpool fan.

MJ

02 Sep 2012 15:12:14
We seem to be impotent as well as leaky.

02 Sep 2012 15:07:34
Reina needs to go, looks like a shell of the player we had 3 years ago. Anyone who doesnt agree is deluded hes costing us more goals than hes saving

02 Sep 2012 15:07:01
What can I say? I am usually one of the most optimistic fans but sadly I don't think I can be anymore. We've left ourselves with no depth upfront and we've got to last until January with 2 strikers. Great. I believe Rodgers is a great manager but with the quality of our thin squad, I believe no manager in the world could turn out fortune around.
Cheers

Sam

02 Sep 2012 15:06:38
Watched us pre season in Europa cup qualifying game at Anfield and the football was fantastic,2-3 touch football,movement off the ball was brilliant,created loads of chances.

Season starts and it's back to normal

alan50

02 Sep 2012 15:05:16
I stand by what I have said for the last 12 months, it's a new goal keeper we need. Reina just doesn't do it for me and he has got away with under performing for to long now.

Huws

02 Sep 2012 15:05:05
Eddoo1. Imo gerrard shud be on the bench for shelvy and suarez is a disgrace. He with reina and others have to much say but arnt performing and I'm actually infuriated at them. Wat do u think? {Ed001's Note - I just don't understand how poor Gerrard has to be before he gets dropped. Enrique should be hooked too, terrible game he has had as well. Suarez has not played well, but at least he is trying, Gerrard seems to spend 80min just watching the game. I think it is time to grasp the nettle and give Shelvey a run in place of Gerrard.}

02 Sep 2012 15:05:00
How can you expect to win games with such a weak attack, I will support the reds no matter what but I will be surprised if we are in top half come Christmas. FSG need a long think about what they want from this club, if it was all Ayre then the business people they are should have stepped in. I am surprised Rodgers hasn't walked.

02 Sep 2012 15:04:51
Not a rumour and not wishing to join the nay sayers but think we've got to be honest this is very poor. No options from the bench. No attacking thrust and it appears a keeper who is low on confidence. Can't say I'm full of confidence for the season. Mistakes made during the transfer window are going to cost the club dearly I fear.

02 Sep 2012 15:04:43
2-0 down at home Suarez, Gerrard, Reina, Enrique, all have gone missing today, look at the bench who do you bring on to chase the game ?

We give the ball away, we look diss-jointed, we can't string 10 passes together, it's horrible to watch.

Only Allen and Sterling can hold there heads up..

We are seriously in trouble this season...

Curled1

02 Sep 2012 15:04:41
Come on Rodgers get a striker on! Oh hang on we haven't got on! Our bench is shocking teams fighting relegation season after season have a stronger bench! Terrible just terrible!

02 Sep 2012 15:11:59
Last season we were complaining about opposition goalkeepers being the 'Man of the Match'. There is absolutely no danger of that this season. Many Rugby kickers would be pleased if they could put theball over the bar so often!
Dutchmal

02 Sep 2012 15:11:53
We will win the league next year, the championship is in the bag

02 Sep 2012 15:11:48
Are the players aware that our kit makers slogan "We come not to play" is a marketing thing and not the new club moto.

Reelum

02 Sep 2012 15:11:22
I have supported Liverpool my whole life, always been proud of my team even through the tough times. However, I have got to admit and I think the rest of us should realise that we are no longer a top team but simply a top 10 team. It hurts me to say this but it's true. I'll be over the moon if we get into the top 8 this season and for the next fee seasons. Long gone are the days of champions league footy and I really can't see the diver lining at the end of this storm.
RedJ

02 Sep 2012 15:11:07
Where do i start with todays game?
Im trying to be positive and think its just a bad day at the office, but lets be real! How many players today can actually say they gave 100%, probably 2, Allen and Sterling the rest, well... i wont go there especially Gerrard, Reina, n Suarez( all 3 need to have long hard look at themselves). Personally i think today would have been ideal situation to bring Carroll off the bench, gonna be long hard season!
Simon

02 Sep 2012 15:10:36
embarrassing

02 Sep 2012 15:10:25
Could be fight between us and spuds to who finishes 4th

From the bottom that is,season is over

alan50

02 Sep 2012 15:10:05
bring back Kenny

Kenny set us back years. The problem for br is the absolute rubbish dalglish bought at mind boggling prices, any one with a shred of intelligence could see at the time his signings wouldn't work out. Now unfortunately br has to get rid of this overpriced overpayed mid table rubbish

Dont be a wally thats why we are in rubbish because of him

02 Sep 2012 15:10:01
Just a thought does anyone else think relegation would be a good thing? Let's face it we would get rid of every big time charlie and be forced to play with kids who have some fire in their belly! This is truly awful, I hope you are happy Ian Arye and FSG.

02 Sep 2012 15:09:58
do these players know how to shoot? wtf fo they do in training?! pass pass and pass.

02 Sep 2012 15:09:47
Let's look on the bright side only 6 points off CL place!lol

02 Sep 2012 15:09:16
are we allowed to put glue on reina gloves only way he will catch a ball

Could not catch a cold {Ed002's Note - Sparky will be working with him on his catching this week.}

02 Sep 2012 15:08:30
Add a new keeper to the wanted list

02 Sep 2012 15:08:14
come on then Rodgers how brave are you??.....Gerrard AND Reina need dropping, Reina just poor and Gerrard im sorry but you dont fit......

02 Sep 2012 15:08:08
Gerrard's natural inability to fit into BR's system is becoming very present today. Can't say I'm excited to see the drama that's about to unfold this season with his position in the team

02 Sep 2012 15:08:06
New keeper , midfielder and 2 strikers must come in January

02 Sep 2012 15:02:14
Looks like every commentator will beat us with the Carroll stick when things are going wrong.

Gordy

Actually they're just beating us with the "what a crap run and managed side LFC are" stick...AC's loan just happens to be part of that disgraceful 50 year low!

And rightly so!!!!!

Rightly so I have a very bad feeling about this season, zero optimism.

I can't believe that commentators who used to play for one of the teams are allowed to cover a match. The bias shown by Alan Smith was utterly ridiculous throughout the game. The anti-Liverpool sentiment shown by both Sky and ESPN this season is appalling.

02 Sep 2012 15:02:13
please post this headless chickens come to mind,what do you think,as for the bench dont make me laugh

I think BR is the architect of his own demise for today. What a terrible display. The players looked well p*ssed off...maybe an attrocious list of broken promises and bad management throughout the Anfield ranks is now showing!

Owners lack any ambition, Stevie looks like he needs a bupa plan, Pepe has anchor butter on his gloves. Suarez could not hit a barn door from a yard out. FSG OUT

02 Sep 2012 15:02:09
Disaster doesn't come close to describing this season...and it's only our third game. BR will be off by October...of that I'm sure.

Why? its not him to blame for not scoring.....its the owners.....lfc are playing well, he demanded a striker......he never got it......get off BR's back

Two matches ago I would have disagreed with you but todays display with a crap transfer window I have to say I am 75% in agreement with you.

I'm sure October will be to late by Wednesday would be a lot better &to think. They sacked Steve Clark and put this person in disgraceful

Agree, that was totally embarrassing, it was only 2-0 but could have been 4 or 5 easily. Can't believe how many players were off colour today, we were taken to the cleaners there. I think relegation beckons guys. Some of you may think that overly dramatic but if we keep that up I'm telling you we will go down. {Ed063's Note - Name 2 more chances Arsenal created other than the goals?}

But they took those chances and that's the point ED063. We have a dozen chances and don't score and the opposition only need a few chances and do score. {Ed063's Note - The poster said "It could have been 3 or 4". It couldnt have, it could have been 2-0 and was 2-0, they were clinical. I am not doubting that}

02 Sep 2012 15:02:07
As i said when we got thumped by West Brom its gonna be long long season.Im not over doing this but think as long as we dont get relegated its the best we can hope for.Sorry to be so dramatic.
Up the Pool
Redan

Actually I'm not sure we're too good to go down...looking at the player morale it doesn't look good! FSG are worse than absentee parents because to continue the analogy they've left us in the care of child abusers! I'm so utterly depressed. No LFC goods and no attending of matches for me anymore...enough is enough!

02 Sep 2012 15:01:58
And one of the Ed's yesterday that 4th place is realistic

ha ha ha

Yeah from bottom

alan50

Arsenal started the season like us n still got 4th. ur arguement is invalid.

Kaizer

I think you're right Alan...except right now I'd think we'd be lucky to achieve 16th!

02 Sep 2012 15:01:57
Oh CHRIST... We are simply AWFUL. :-S

Stevie.

Awful? Get a grip....under BR the football is much improved. Todays issue is suarez had a poor game and the final ball was poor also credit to arsenal who played good counter attacking football. yes I agree the lack of strikers ain't good but liverpool didnt play awful?

02 Sep 2012 15:01:53
one word ....... RUBBISH.
billy

02 Sep 2012 15:01:51
Listening to Saurez being abused by the travelling arse, without reply or response is utterly sickening.
ND

He shud leave, too good a player to be wasted with our crap squad, fans were disgraceful

Stop talking sh*t...we're the one's being abused by a bad ownership!

Our home support has been awful for the past 3 years mate, out sung by arsenal, best fans in the world LOL!
St. Helen's Red

This is exactly what I was saying to every one I was watching with.

02 Sep 2012 15:01:44
Time to cash in on reina and stevie G. Sell them both. That will slash the wage bill in half.... I've seen enough of their attitude.
YNWA The Pirate.

Just reina. put gerrard on the bench

How much u yhink u goona get for gerrand 1 mil bet yeah dempsey made up

Selling Stevie G? Ridiculous, dont think he should be sold but should definitely not be an automatic starter. Reina is just awful, has been for the past few seasons.. Problem with us is that our legends in Stevie G and Reina will always be seen as the stars at our club :/

Its not what gerrard can sell for, but what LFc would save on wages. Whats he on? Like 140k a week? Some help ed's.... {Ed063's Note - Something like that}

02 Sep 2012 15:00:55
They don't care about Brendon, they don't care about fans, Liverpool Football club, is in the wrong hands?

Cecil D Wilderbeast.

02 Sep 2012 15:00:48
Safe to say, it's gunna be another poor season :/ not like i want Rodgers out... Just saying there is no penetration whatsoever

02 Sep 2012 15:00:45
we shud be playin 4-2-3-1

02 Sep 2012 15:00:14
Just gonna pop out bye some paint...then paint my door and watch it dry.

02 Sep 2012 14:59:32
Be lucky if we stay up

02 Sep 2012 14:59:18
Your team is useless. Stay off other peoples rumours sites, posting your garbage, and you may get less people like me, loving every minute of watching your demise as a football club. Mark my words, no one likes, rates or respects you.

Powers {Ed063's Note - Love you too}

Who is his team?

And we'll still finish higher than u

What does it matter who my team is? I could be an Arsenal, Man Utd, Everton, Tottenham, Man City or Chelsea fan. Give you more reason to flood our site? Looking through all their pages, you are the constant pestering presence. I did it to see if my team was the only team you gripe at. Turns out its all of the above. Very sad indeed.

Powers

02 Sep 2012 14:59:13
what a joke

02 Sep 2012 14:58:51
huge gap between midfield and defance once lost the ball oposition punish you. no plan B for us the tall striker gone and too many cross is playing now. top 10 is the best place for us. non footballing owner non footballing director . 1 year experiance in EPL manager .

hhh

02 Sep 2012 14:58:51
What is happening to us? Really and im not just talking about this season? Its ive watched 2 different teams against City and Arsenal..whats happened to Gerrard and Reina? I dont get it and this whole display is lackluster and uninspiring.. But im still going to support the club no matter what, always have always will..but this is just hard to watch were crumbling...B.

02 Sep 2012 14:58:43
We are a joke club now, we can't beat the rubbish teams and are getting wasted by the bigger clubs! I have supported lfc since I was a young boy and we have never played as badly as we are today! I don't think BR even knows what he is found either...why play borini on the wing? He was bought as our finisher!

02 Sep 2012 14:58:09
REINA FINISHED END OF

02 Sep 2012 14:58:08
Keep the Faith, please..

Dont start with that.. iv had faith too long n gettin sick ov it now, startin too go off football cos we are a joke club

02 Sep 2012 14:58:07
pepe has to go another howler

Oh dont u worry , he will go by himself .....

02 Sep 2012 14:57:53
Bring Andy Carroll on. Oh doh he has been loaned out.

We are a joke.

02 Sep 2012 14:57:43
Yet another bad goal by the all too much to say reina!

02 Sep 2012 14:57:34
"Podolski so close to slipping in Giroud" From Sly on 61 mins. I hope those two score together :), then we have a chance of winning

02 Sep 2012 14:57:23
Another mistake from Reina. Bring in Vito Mannone BR? Arsenals 3rd choice keeper?

Funny thing is arsenal fans wanted him gone in the summer

02 Sep 2012 14:57:07
sad

02 Sep 2012 14:57:01
GOODBYE BR AND TAKE THE OWNERS WITH YOU. you dont know what you are doing. that will teach you not to get rid of a foward before you get another. this is nothing but a utter joke what hope do we really have this season.

02 Sep 2012 14:56:56
if this team is tired ... then the best they'll get this season is a top 8.gutted

I would be happy with top 8.

02 Sep 2012 14:56:54
Reina needs replaced

02 Sep 2012 14:56:50
I don't know what's worse - this team or hodgesons

02 Sep 2012 14:56:48
Mother said there'd be days like this .

....But not this bad (

Strange days indeed.

02 Sep 2012 14:56:36
Game and SEASON OVER

FACT

alan50

02 Sep 2012 14:56:28
REINA OUT!!

02 Sep 2012 14:56:14
Anfield crowd is shamefull
Kp

I agree with you. the anfield crowd is so quiet and dull like always. they can't even make any noise. every anfield game that i have watched, the crowd is so quiet that i can only hear the away supporters.

They r quiet because they got nothing to shout about..

Frustrated Red

02 Sep 2012 14:55:16
Wonder if sahin thinks he chose the right club

While i wonder if we loaned the right midfielder.

NURI! Just hit it with ur right peg lad, its not rocket science

02 Sep 2012 14:52:40
Clear penalty on Suarez fromt mertz and whats with the soft free kicks in favour of Arsenal?

Its called howard webb

Just stop clutching at straws, we were awful

Ha Ha! Here we go again!!

Tree Blue

Did you not notice Howard hates Liverpool Webb was refereeing? Don't know why you are surprised

02 Sep 2012 14:52:22
this is the worst 60 minutes i have ever seen us play! even gerrard has been absoltely terrible, suarez has given the perfect show of why we were desperately needing a centre forward and borini looks like youd struggle to justify a £1million price tag let alone 10, his first touch is shocking, selfish and cant pass. the only decent player has been sterling- again. even the choice of subsitutes bemuses me, the most forward thinking player we signed- assaidi, doesnt even make the bench?? and when downing comes on he looks decent- that is how bad the rest of the team has been soo bad,, they are making downing look good

Can't really judge Borini since he ain't playing where he should be (in the box). But yeah i agree, this got to be one of the worst matches i've ever seen.

That was some of the worst diving by suarez ive seen in a while,puts even klinsman to shame,dont think stevie was interested ,didnt seem to bother him when he lost the ball and the gooners scored,sterling and allen shining lights again,will be a long winter,arsenal where fragile and there for the taking,sterling terrified them but we didnt know how to put them to the sword

I said it all my friend

02 Sep 2012 14:51:08
Take GERRARD of and put shelvy on

Melbourne'

Like they did, well might as well, cause Stevie was no part of the setup at all, just waste of space. Rather see Sahin staying on and Stevie off.

02 Sep 2012 14:49:13
Hi guys.just a brief one..had high hopes after the manc game with the way we played..right now though,how obvious is it that there is a missing link up front?!!

02 Sep 2012 14:49:00
we could be playing this game til next week and we still won't score

nonty

02 Sep 2012 14:48:31
poor poor first half doesent look any better 2nd half we are in deep truble

02 Sep 2012 14:45:07
You know when you hear the words '...come off for Downing' that it's not going to end well.

02 Sep 2012 14:44:58
what position is borini supposed to play??

RedMachine

Left back Focking left back in the changing rooms another cheryou.rubbish league 1 at best .but BR thinks he will excite us ,unlucky BR

On the bench in Rome

02 Sep 2012 14:44:47
Gerrard needs to be taken off and replaced by anyone, even one of the fans will do! His passing has been shambling.

02 Sep 2012 14:44:31
Can't believe we paid 10 million for borini.he is worse than useless.rodgers out by christmass.

Don't you mean out by Monday

02 Sep 2012 14:44:03
one thing is fir certain, webb won't do us any favours

jonso

02 Sep 2012 14:43:48
dont know why u are all moaning...downing is comin on now too solve all our problems

02 Sep 2012 14:41:58
It's time for er andy Carroll?

Helpful eh?

Gazman

02 Sep 2012 14:41:41
Just to back up my info from yesterday about the meeting between rogers the owners and Ayre, it is now being reported in the press..

Not trying to boast or anything just trying to prove myself..

Owen still an option being considered I am told..

Cheers..

Davis93

02 Sep 2012 14:41:32
As A neutural looking in at your team this season and your performances it is safe to say Gerrard has been a calamity and Suarez is still a soft diver...Allen keeps possession great in his own half but it is not effective on the attack Borini cant finish and Sterling is a great prospect

02 Sep 2012 14:23:56
Afternoon eds fellow reds , we are absolutely dreadfull can't pass no movement . Hate to say it but bottom 3 for me .our top two strikers Suarez midfield Borini right wing crap

02 Sep 2012 14:41:22
Eds you think that Mertesackers hold on Suarez as a penalty? {Ed002's Note - The problem is that Suarez is going down too easily today.}

That wasnt the question...

Suarez goes down too early and easy every game. So when he goes down in a genuine challenge a ref don't believe him.

02 Sep 2012 14:41:08
Let's bang on a striker ...... Oh yeh

02 Sep 2012 14:40:02
Get gerrard off and shelvey on who has looked like a different player these last few games

02 Sep 2012 14:38:26
Ridiculous the new system has massive flaws when defending and we need a STRIKER who do we have to kill to tell the owners that...

02 Sep 2012 14:35:49
We are doomed this year! Doomed

I wouldn't go that far just yet. We needed certain players and it never happened. Again.

If our owners really want to get top 4/win the league, they need to spend big, it's a simple as that. Money buys proven quality, always has.

Spot on mate! Will be fighting for relegation this season & there's possibility we may not be in BPL next season. We fans will owe it to the yankees FSG, their filthy slaves in lfc board & a third rated manager BR.
A major overhaul is needed if LFC is going to be where they should.
First - remove the entire lfc board members who are the decision makers for appointing such Owners. Once bitten, twice shy they say but our heroes decided to sell our club from one yank to another yank!
Second - get an Owner who loves our club for the history & tradition(& not like our current yankee persons who only wants to take the meat of a pie) willing to go all out to pump in money to the top, for the love of our club!
Third - sack substandard BR & appoint a proven manager. No more mediocre or low profile managers, as they say penny wise pound foolish; pay peanuts & you get monkeys!!

02 Sep 2012 14:34:43
The over-reating today is bordering on the ridiculous.

The Booter

And the score is - oh look 2-0 to them. You were saying ...
ND

This sort of over-reacting :-

'Yonks out'
'Rodgers gone by October'
'We'll win the league next year, the championship!'

I can be as critical as the next man and today we were poor, no doubt.

Eds, can we have a Liverpool knee-jerk forum, as I think two weeks of this nonsence may make me suicidal.

The Booter

02 Sep 2012 14:31:47
Gerrard, Suarez and Reina... The DIVAS of liverpool need to go.. Its really frustrating watching them play..
Sterling is just fantastic..

Frustrated Red.

02 Sep 2012 14:31:40
ofcourse we would play well and not finish..how do u expect to finish if suarez has to create,link up and finish all the same time..there is no thrust from midfield ,the best player allen is ordered to sit very deep..no one around the box to pressurize the defenders..
as far as u go with just PR skilled managers..for god;s sake either allow gerrard to play just behind suarez or play with out and out two strikers..
no suso,pacheco, morgan or assaidi on the bench and we have 3-4 defenders waiting .. WTF ?

02 Sep 2012 14:30:57
BREAKING: Liverpool 's defence will be questioned by the FA for match fixing, as Arsenal actually score a premier league goal.

02 Sep 2012 14:30:50
This 4-3-3 is killing us defensively.

02 Sep 2012 14:30:49
Anyone else notice a website have the volume for the mics next to the away fans set higher than the home fans? The volume is going higher when arsenal fans sing, muffled down the kop end.
Could hear what that fan was saying very clearly to Gerrard when he was taking the corner...

Huws

Lol eds ok don't name sly but please replace with "the editors of the game footage" not 'a website' it makes my post look a bit daft.
thanks

Huws

02 Sep 2012 14:30:02
Borini is lost out wide
Suarez needs to get hold of the ball
No attempts on target
Dont look like scoring from open play
Hope im wrong......

02 Sep 2012 14:29:22
absolutely woeful game,Gerard should b moved upwards and shelvey introduced. put borini out..... wrong attitude from the players, sitting back instead of attacking the ball. br should smack their back sides super hard.

02 Sep 2012 14:29:05
Really good game so far. LFC clearly the better team with tight passing and good possession. Sterling, Allen and Jose Enrique having a knockout game. Allen is clearly the future leader of this team. Borini, Suarez and Gerrard need to step up their game the second half. Sahin clearly needs match fitness. We miss Lucas, because no one seems to be able to stop those counter attacks down the center of the field. ra1969

You must be watching a different game mate cos from where I'm sitting we are woeful!

Well that was my reading of the first half. I'd rather not comment on the rest of the game, other than to say Reina doesn't look interested any more, Gerrard is not an example of much anymore and Suarez needs to wake up. We are in 17th position in the League !! ra1969

02 Sep 2012 14:28:21
seriously some of the dross on here in the last 24hrs. You guys are deluded. Couldn't score last season so let's get rid of all our forwards and we'll score more! 3 centre halves on the bench wtf?!?! Rodgers is a dolt, Martinez built Swansea and Laudrup is doing a better job than Rodgers having lost his best players. The only way to break down the Arse is diagonals into the box...oh wait...Sterling is great though, I'm sure one of the top 6 clubs are already preparing an offer for next summer. Liverpool 13/14th this season - seriously. This has Hodgson written all over it. And Agger, Skrtel, Suarez, Reina and Sterling will be gone next summer to raise money and because of transfer requests.

02 Sep 2012 14:27:56
Is any red or ed as angry as me with luis and steve.G
I mean their hollywood pases and tricks look good when 1 in 10 come off but on regular bases they loose ball and and we get expose time n again.
Your thoughts ed?

Red indian {Ed063's Note - Gerrard in particular is frustrating the hell out of me. But Suarez isnt far behind}

What's annoying me is Gerrard giving the ball away and not chasing. Unless the ball is within 2 meters of him he'll just casually walk. Put some effort in.

Also Suarez you may feel you're the only one in the team but use your eyes. Stop playing for yourself or opting for the miracle ball.

02 Sep 2012 14:27:42
take borini off for shelvey and push gerrard forward. Borrini has looked awful every game

02 Sep 2012 14:27:42
With both of our strikers not firing, we should take one off and replace him with.......um........er, hang on

cozinoz

02 Sep 2012 14:27:24
Suarez's first touch is awful, he already had a bad game vs. Hearts, he should change position with Borini. Midfield is great, we just can't finish!

HK

02 Sep 2012 14:27:06
What a joke
The season is over all ready?
Roll in 2013-2014

02 Sep 2012 14:26:07
Same again 2nd half !
Well not much choice really with plan B playing for West Ham.
I am already bored watching this, tap it round without ever threatening football.
Our best performances last season came from playing high tempo football now we are playing in slow motion.
Derek

02 Sep 2012 14:25:51
This is the worst team since the souness days. The bench is tragic its going to be a long long season fsg ayre out

02 Sep 2012 14:25:43
rodgers was too busy getting rid of daglish players who could score goals like a jealous woman.

02 Sep 2012 14:25:39
If noone wanted to sign for us in Aug who's gonna wanna sign in Jan when we are rock bottom playing like this?

Who is this Noone and how many goals has he scored?
DM2012

02 Sep 2012 14:25:27
Great thanks FSG no forward on the bench wasters

02 Sep 2012 14:25:06
Early days, and he will be judged over the season, but initial assessment of Borini is that he looks a little lightweight, seems to get shouldered off the ball alittle too easily - I hope i'll be proven wrong?

That applies more so sterling than borini!

02 Sep 2012 14:24:35
Liverpool are dead and buried already. FSG I hope your realise by now that without investment in quality players, we're mid-table, possibly lower this season. You can bring Jose Mourinho by the way...it won't make any difference. BR is doing the best he can but FSG didn't support him enough this season. FSG you're better than H & G but that doesn't make your suitable to turn the fortunes of this club around.

02 Sep 2012 14:23:24
Someone explain to me why we have a natural goalscorer on the wing and a creative dribbler through the middle?

Stone YNWA.

Rodgers hasn't realised to switch them yet...

02 Sep 2012 14:23:02
Get Gerrard off
He has been awful giving ball away, not tracking back and frankly showing no interest or desire
He has become complacent with his place in the starting eleven and needs to be shown that he is not the boss....yet
Bean

02 Sep 2012 14:22:57
As if the score wasn't bad enough, what is wrong with Anfield? It's like a tennis match. No noise, no atmosphere, no songs, no banter. Might as well be playing away - except our away fans are 1000 per cent better. build a new stadium? Well, it couldn't have a worse atmosphere, could it. Might be room for some real fans...
ND

02 Sep 2012 14:22:26
I seem to say this almost every game. In practice do they practice heading? Every header by a Liverpool player, especially from defence, always gives away possession.

Should not be losing this game. Arsenal are there for the taking. Suarez and Gerard need to up their game.

Gordy

It doesnt seem as if we practice at all let alone heading or shooting

02 Sep 2012 14:22:21
Playing with no confidence no believe saurez playing alone up front and going into midfield to get the ball, I thought we were supposed to be playing pressure attacking football under the rodgers system but back to SAme old of letting the other teams have the ball, oh are we at home? MrT

02 Sep 2012 14:22:14
Saurez poor - Gerrard a shadow and Sahin lost. Allen and Sterling look great. Europa league is taking its toll on a few. We have to get a point today, otherwise Rogers is under pressure already. Shelves on for sahin

Gazman

Taking its toll? we are 3 games in man... wake up and see we are poor

02 Sep 2012 14:22:10
There we go guys, nothing has changed, we still can't create openings, same as last year, Arsenal will get their usual win at Anfield, we are they only big club they can beat away from home, says so much about us.

Gerrard cut the mistakes out, you are becoming a liability.

jesse

02 Sep 2012 14:22:07
We've just got to keep positive. We are going to be walking through a storm for some time judging by that first half performance.

May as well call it 30 years then

02 Sep 2012 14:21:45
Bloody hell Stevie G ....whats happened to you? You are a shadow of the player we once knew. You are awful today. Mind you in fairness so is Borini and Suarez. Sterling you are purring keep going son. Shame we dont have another striker to throw on. Yeah cheers Ian

Slowpoke

02 Sep 2012 14:21:43
shocking so far v the ar5e. sahin looks lost and the midfield are like strangers

02 Sep 2012 14:21:29
Omg, gerrard has been that bad i would rather have diaby than him on this season performances, i think he copleted 2-3 passes in this first half, get shelvey or henderson on, move borini in the centre and bring in a free transfer striker till january because we havent been a team this first half and look how atttacking our bench is, how do we turn this around know, gerrard is past it by a long shot!

02 Sep 2012 14:21:15
Halft time. Borini off, Shelvey on, Gerrard take Borini position, Shelvey take Gerrard Position.

02 Sep 2012 14:21:09
Gerrard should be swapped for Shelvey.

02 Sep 2012 14:21:04
We are crap that's the honest truth

Neilp

02 Sep 2012 14:20:47
well well well, we are struggling to score! sounds familar? fsg out, also gerrard should not be a garanteed starter, how many goals has he cost us now?RedTurk

02 Sep 2012 14:20:30
This is a case of our best players playing really badly. Sterling is our most dangerous going foward, suarez looks like hes still asleep. Sahin plays at his own pace which can be annoying. Gerrard seems to have lost his attacking edge. We've dominated possession but no one can put the ball in the net. Borini cant seem to beat a player so i cant see him being above average.

02 Sep 2012 14:20:28
Got that sickening feeling. It would be a horrible start to the season and considering the mess of deadline day, its gonna be very tough to recover.....C'mon guys, now is the time to step up!

02 Sep 2012 14:19:42
At least 3 goals conceded this season caused by stevie G's sloppiness and recklessness... Not FSG... {Ed063's Note - 100% agree}

02 Sep 2012 14:19:39
were almost as bad as our transfer efforts

02 Sep 2012 14:19:36
Hi eds just a thought what about del piero? I believe he's a free agent as move to Sidney falls thru! Looking at the bench and there is absolutely no penetration there, a dead all expert might be worth a punt even if it is as a super sub

Neemboo

02 Sep 2012 14:18:55
I think Rodgers has to shift Suarez out wide, with Borini in the middle. Logical since Suarez cant finish but can dribble, and Borini cant dribble but can finish (supposedly).

02 Sep 2012 14:16:49
Suso should be in the squad

alan50

02 Sep 2012 14:16:10
Worst players of the half? Suarez, Borini, Gerrard.
Best players? Sterling, Enrique.

What about sahin? awful.

02 Sep 2012 14:16:02
what a bunch of donkeys but what would u expect from a team that just scraped a draw with the mighty hearts.gerrard is finished and should be on the bench.tika taka my arse brendan.pull the other one.tenth if we're lucky this year.

I wish you were our manager. Your analysis is structured and knowledgeable. What's your name?

BigBadBen

02 Sep 2012 14:03:28
i thought this game was at anfield not the emirates, all i can hear are the gooners, guess u lot may have jus finally given up this season

red devil

Personally I think the editors of the tv footage are playing with the volume on the mics. Arsenal fans far to clear and distinctive compared to a very muffled Kop end.

Huws

02 Sep 2012 14:03:25
I think sterling is going to develop into a great player but regardless of how much potential you have, he has no strength and gets shrugged off the ball a lot or bounces off people and loses the ball. Disagree with me as much as you want but everything I have seen him play, he doesn't seem
To have that upper body strength to hold opposing players off him.

He is still a kid. upper body strength would deveople with age but he will be put through the gym and work on that.

FFS the lad is 17 do you think he might develope a bit,,you PR*C*

He's only 17 years old, his body is still developing

Jesus the lads 17 years old, was you a 22 stone muscle monster at that age?

He's still only 17. He can still grow in height and width for the next 3 years. Then we'll talk. ra1969

How old is sterling? {Ed063's Note - 17}

02 Sep 2012 14:01:47
what is happening with gerrard?! he has gone sh*t

About a year ago m8....keep up

02 Sep 2012 14:01:39
what did i say gerrad makes us concede again.RedTurk

02 Sep 2012 14:01:14
Gerrard and Suarez giving the ball away a lot today...

ChrisMiz

02 Sep 2012 13:59:23
gerrard is the weak link.RedTurk

Agree his legs have gone. Joe is twice the player. Steveie is a legend but age catches up with us all.

I agree, looks off the pace.

Yes, once again a loose ball from Gerrrd has led to a goal. Can only get better in the second half... hopefully.
Northern Git

02 Sep 2012 13:51:40
What's the deal with assaidi eds, how come he's not been on the bench or anything? {Ed002's Note - His chance will come.}

02 Sep 2012 13:33:24
hi Ed,s
cannot believe the half glass empty brigade we get on here. ye we missed out on Dempsey, but its not the end of the world. this could give Morgan and Yesil a chance to shine, you never know what might happen (remember Owen and Fowler 17 each i think when they broke into the first team). i wish fans would lay of FSG and Ian Ayr (scouse CEO), FSG never promised nothing when they took over and backed Kenny and Commoli big time last year and got burnt. Ayr has worked so hard for us fans and just because he would not pay more than other teams for an aging player, fans go nuts (he's no messy although i rate him). so lets keep the faith and back the lads to beat Arsenal ( i have sahin to score first, Lfc to win 5-0, 900/1. I know slim chance but here's hoping). thanks Ed's and Macca for all your free time that you all give.
LEP72

Cannot believe the mindless optimism of some posters. in order to bury your head in the sand, you have to stick your butt up in the air. i think you know what happens next. mug.

02 Sep 2012 13:28:50
The FSG PR machine will now go into overdrive - wait for a 'positive' news statement about the new stadium/redevelopment in the next week or so to try and placate fans.

02 Sep 2012 13:26:47
Assaidi is obviously not ready. There is no point rushing a player who could be vital this season and making him lose confidence straight away.

Great first 11, but not much of a Plan B. Let's hope BR's Plan A is as good as last week.

Papa G

02 Sep 2012 13:19:46
Can anyone list all free agent strikers or know where I can see one?

Ed's do you expect we are looking at considering a free agent for striker cover?

Thanks

CLR {Ed002's Note - Search for tinyurl and you will find a link I gave yesterday.}

02 Sep 2012 13:43:46
Blood red forever , go LFC !
I dont know, but i just got a feeling
i got feeling...........
That today is gonna be a good day
that todays gonna be a good good day

through adversity we will truimph together.
YNWA !! Never.

02 Sep 2012 12:25:52
Hi eds,

Just wanted to know how FSG work. Do all the board members invest the same ammount or is Henry the main investor. Also do the other people on the board get told about big deals like the Carroll transfer because of the money involved.

Thanks,

Red raj {Ed002's Note - FSG is an investment vehicle and theach member's holding is reflected in the shareholding. It is not worth the wild figures being quoted, that is just complete nonsense. FSG will be aware of any significant spending.}

02 Sep 2012 12:59:17
hey guys...

the biggest indicator to managers looking at liverpools line up today...........

no forward on the bench

hey eds..any news on assaidi...do u rekon hes not match fit??

red lobster

02 Sep 2012 12:58:41
Eds and fellow posters?

The info provided by the eds is sobering and worrying.

The club is clearly still in a vunerable financial position. I hope FSG can clear up the mess of decades of mis management.

However what I dont see is a realistic strategy for short or even medium term recorvery on field.

Also while we do not have the finances to compete with the top clubs the one thing that has been stressed is FSG are SMART CLEVER and WINNERS.

Yet many many decisions they have made or delegated to others have been far from SMART OR CLEVER.

We made poor appointments and been even worse in our PR and handling of other clubs and the FA.

I struggle to understand how they sanctioned a spending splurge believing one windows activity would set the foundations to build on but when that failed didnt have the finacial ability to correct it.

The transfer window summer 2011, an expensive disaster yes, Kenny to blame yes but FSG sanctioned the moves, they had doubts about Kenny but give him the money without question.

I feel morale around the club is dropping year on year, the takeover should have been the springboard for a new era but now in Sept 2012 the stench of decline still hangs over Anfield.

We have a good squad but a squad that has no depth and that still lacks goal scores. We will not get top 4 this season, so what then we will be in an even worse position next summer. Rebuilding made dificult by not being a desirable location and probably losing the last of our quality players.

On a seperate note can someone tell me are the RED SOX in big trouble they seem to be on a massive losing streak and have moved out alot of players, will the decline of the RED SOX effect LFC?

I am sorry if I am niave, Im sorry for being negative, but I dont see the way back and would like to hear Eds and fellow Reds views.

I just dont see us closing the quality gap, or am I being too short term are we looking at a slow recorvery of 10 years or more before CL football and if this is the case how do we financially survive?

Worried Red

02 Sep 2012 12:56:43
when are we gonna see assauidi (spelling) guy is he injured not even on the bench

He has held a slight injury for months. He is technically match fit, however Brendan is not of the mind to risk injuring a player that could have a rough start this soon after arrival anyway.

02 Sep 2012 12:56:33
For me, a very good starting eleven today, an early goal for a change and I think we can win comfortably. Stop moaning folks, there's plenty of goals in that team. As for Suarez getting tired, are we talking about the same player?! This guy would play 90 minutes after running the London marathon. In wellies. So no worries there.

The captain

02 Sep 2012 12:55:57
we havent got a forward on the bench is this a first. how about coates upfront as a plan b .

alan waddle

02 Sep 2012 12:55:49
Does anyone know what is wrong with Assaidi? Not in the squad again!

02 Sep 2012 12:54:07
Hi Guys, hope you are relaxing finally after a hectic window. Just checked the teams and to be honest -I really feel this could be our strongest 11 for the season. If this group click, and we get a pinch of luck in the finishing dept, we will easily reach fourth. Not sure how i feel about today - have a bad feeling in my stomach -really hope I am wrong and we win 3 nil. Great to see spurs have a terrribble start with AVB - thank god we didnt get him. I know Arsenal will be looking for a draw- so lets see if the system and the passion can do it. C'mon you reds!

02 Sep 2012 12:53:25
Line up for today:

Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Allen, Sahin, Gerrard, Sterling, Borini, Suarez.

Subs: Jones, Carragher, Shelvey, Downing, Henderson, Kelly, Coates.

Wouldve gone with Assaidi over Carra but otherwise looks ok to me.

Thoughts?

Doha Red

02 Sep 2012 12:52:12
Reina enrique agger skrtel johnson gerrard allen sahin sterling borini suarez starting line-up vs arsenal

02 Sep 2012 12:50:38
It really is a case of two steps forward then three steps at LFC at the moment.
Just when we start showing some real promise, we end up shooting ourselves in the foot.
BR must be a very frustrated manager at present, our inability to strengthen our attacking options, will have a massive bearing on our season (ability to score and finish off games).
Sadly it looks like more of the same again.
We have played 4 competitive games thus far, scored 4 goals (some by luck) and conceded 6.
Only 2 goals in the EpL in 2 games.
With those figures as a basis, we will struggle more than 40 goals.
40 goals will never be enough to be competitive

02 Sep 2012 12:50:24
How come ossumma assadi isn't in the squad today

02 Sep 2012 13:10:13
Shocked and dismayed at how quick some LFC fans are to pass judgement of FSG, ok so someone, somewhere, screwed up on Friday but seriously we all get things wrong occasionally ffs..
Support was shown financially both in this window and massively so previously for KK with some of those buys being so bad would you not be tentative?
We are getting our house in order after being seen by some as a gravy train but it appears some of you would prefer to just spend and forget tomorrow..
Support the team, manager and owners at least until you have REAL reason to do otherwise and stop throwing your toys out of the pram.

02 Sep 2012 13:03:55
Come on guys lets forget our misery for the next 90 mins and get behind our guys, a win today would be awesome

Super

02 Sep 2012 13:02:17
Come on the reds................................lets finish the weekend on a high!

02 Sep 2012 13:01:17
hi eds any idea why we haven't seen Assiaddi(spelling?) On the team sheet yet?

Also does anyone know if Pacheco has some personal issues or something along those lines because going from one of the stand out players in preseason to not even getting a looking seems strange. Especially the fact we're short in that area.

Cudge

02 Sep 2012 13:00:26
Before the summer i posted that our squad didnt have enough depth and what happens? we end up with a smaller squad. I said we needed another forward as well as Carroll, Suarez and Bellars, and what happens? We end up with less! I swear, i post these things with total confidence that they should happen, yet usually the complete opposite happens.

Its with this knowledge that i feel i have to make my predictions on todays and future games. Arsenal are going to win 3-0 today, Suarez will get injured for the season and the fans will turn massively on the manager and Fsg. You see what i done there? Heres Hoping!

The Irish Rover

02 Sep 2012 13:00:17
I think Rodgers has forgotten he signed Assaidi lol

02 Sep 2012 13:00:14
Ed's,

Just wanted to find out wat the situation with Assaidi, he's not even on the bench for todays game!..
Great site.. {Ed063's Note - He's been fasting for Ramadan, probably still regaining his full strength}

02 Sep 2012 12:59:26
Assaidi has been fasting and still not fully recovered.

WikingRedNor

02 Sep 2012 12:28:33
reply to eds 052 , i think your response was rude to me and wrong , i stated facts , which i took time to check out and are correct , ie FSG are worth a net $27 billion , kk was onyl given £ 23 million net spned on players after sales , i herd it might be £17 million , { kk stated this also b4 he was sacked } i also stated if we dont get into the champ league we will fall further behind our rivals and loose money , i also stated other owners are investing more of their own cash into clubs , again this is a fact
i am a reds fan off 45 years and love my club , going to many matches , you didnt actually respond to any of my facts , because its true , i am worried that FSG are not investing enough money to make us competitive , i support LFC , i dont support FSG neccessarily ,
i also believe many many true reds fans are worried about FSGs lack of funds for our club , if we dont get into champ league , what then ? {Ed052's Note - KK spent way more net than £23 m. Firstly, he spent more than that in transfer fees. Secondly, the wage bill went sky high with him in charge. Thirdly, the owners have pumped in around 1/35 of their wealth. That is a huge amount. Around 3.5% of all they have has been invested in us, and continues to rise.}

I don't know the facts but if the owners have 3.5% of their wealth, i think they are in it for the long run. they are genuinely interested in the welfare of the club. 3.5% is a huge number to invest for people not sitting on oil rich cash and the entire wealth of nations, fellow liverpool fans.

i agree they screwed up in the transfer market this reason but they have good intentions for the long run. imagine once we get the self-sufficient model running, it would be similar to arsenal (i assume), we will not need to invest huge every time to make a new team but gradually turn into a great team.

the only cause of concern would be the mentality of the players to win the games and cups which arsenal seems to have lost.

i think it is time we get behind the team and forget the owners till January.

mgz

Great Points , I to am worried as the more we fall behind the more money will need to be spent , and no excuse for letting carrol go with no one coming in lets stop defending the owners They bought the Club!
yes they have done ok , but theey let the manager down on this one and still no real news on the Stadium , I said I worked for the club when the took over , and they are not warm! very cold american buisness men K.O.B

Ed, you are making comparisons with profit and loss expenditure versus capital cash investment in transfers. And ignoring the inflows from sales.

Net cash invested by fsg outside of cash generated by the profit of the business of running the club is well under £60m.

Which achieved two cup finals and European football. Show me any other club which achieved that level of success and silverware - bar City and Chelsea. Only the top 3 : the Mancs and the Arsenal are in CL. {Ed002's Note - Sorry - the cash invested over the past two years covers the losses of about £50M per years. This summer sees net spending of around £28M.}

02 Sep 2012 12:45:44
where is Assaidi again?

He is available to play but he is fasting for ramadam. ( no offense meant if thats spelt wrong) so he would not be a wise choice at the moment.

Huws

02 Sep 2012 12:45:13
looking at the bench. no strikers. lol

Thats coz their both on the pitch, ahha

02 Sep 2012 12:44:53
does anyone know wats up with assaidi?????i will really expecting him to be on the bench atleast tonight????????????///

BADGER

TONIGHT!!, its a 1 o'clock Kick off!, ITS ON NOW!! get your finger out and get down the pub!

02 Sep 2012 12:36:47
Ed can you tell me if there are any problems with assaidi
He hasn't featured all season despite being fit etc apart from Europa of which I know he was cup tied and him being on Ramadan
Not on the bench today, where is he?
Bean {Ed063's Note - I dont know why he isnt on the bench}

02 Sep 2012 12:34:25
lets get david dein in NOW

PAISLEYS SLIPPERS

02 Sep 2012 12:32:42
Do you think Pacheco will be at least on the bench today? I think he deserves a chance in this system... great in pre season and would boost his price tag if selling him is the future

02 Sep 2012 12:40:35
strange no strikers on the bench and no assaidi at all? why?RedTurk {Ed063's Note - Perhaps he has no intention of taking Suarez off?}

Lets hope Suarez stays fit, and keeps his mouth shut. can't afford to lose him.

What about borini and sterling? downing dont make an impact, henderson runs around like a scared chicken and whats the point of carragher on the bench? when does he wana retire?RedTurk

02 Sep 2012 12:40:11
Where is this aissati guy? U know its bad when uv got no forward optioms om the bench:(. Find it absolutly amazing that we are competing im 4 competioms with this squad bordering on bonkers.

02 Sep 2012 12:39:43
Hey Ed, surprised to see Assaidi omitted totally from the match day squad! Any idea why?
Thanks {Ed063's Note - Not a clue}

02 Sep 2012 12:37:46
I wonder why Assaidi is not even on the bench.....but whatever it is, i'm totally behind the team! C'mon redmen ynwa.

02 Sep 2012 12:37:31
Awesome line up
Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Allen, Sahin, Gerrard, Sterling, Borini, Suarez. Subs: Jones, Carragher, Shelvey, Downing, Henderson, Kelly, Coates ,
Simonpw get in there

02 Sep 2012 12:13:10
I would go for;

-----------------Reina----------------
Johnson----Skrtel-----Agger----Enrique
-----------------Allen-----------------
-----------Gerrard---Sahin------------
Assaidi----------Suarez----------Borini

SUBS
Jones, Carragher, Kelly, Shelvey, Sterling, Downing, Henderson

I would say that's our strongest eleven at present. Should do well

cozinoz

02 Sep 2012 12:13:06
Whenever i post on this site i dont get a reply or it dosent show on the site. i was just wandering whats latest on owen as ESPN report says we are conidering him. is there any truth? i would think he would be great as all we need is a finisher, someone who is a poacher and dosent mess about, just puts the ball in the back of the net. thanks {Ed052's Note - No}

02 Sep 2012 12:11:54
Team v arsenal

Reina

Johnson skrtel agger Enrique

Allen sahin gerrard

Assaidi saurez sterling

SullyRed YNWA

02 Sep 2012 12:09:11
Ed - technically we can sign Llorente on a pre-contract in Jan, right? Singred {Ed052's Note - Yes. Never happen thought}

02 Sep 2012 12:08:12
Hi Eds
Any news on the search for a new chief exe? {Ed052's Note - Nothing}

02 Sep 2012 12:13:51
Seriously short if anyone gets hurt upfront. Shame to see the club give away Andy and replace him oxygen or Casper the ghost or NOBODY. But im used to being dissapointed by American owners. People say its Ayre's fault but FSG should have sacked him a long time ago. For the sake of a few million we could have gained an extra 10-15 points with Dempsey. He always scores and those goals will now go to one of our main rivals.

02 Sep 2012 12:06:16
Happy birthday bill shankly

"Football is like a piano,you need 8 men to carry it and about 3 men to play the damn thing."

gee man

Im 16 toda =) {Ed063's Note - Happy birthday mate}

Happy Birthday Bill Shankly OBE
2 September 1913 - 29 September 1981
YNWA

Huws

02 Sep 2012 12:02:40
Finally. In 5 hours time the topic on this board will change to how good/bad/average we were against Arsenal and we can leave this transfer window behind. Personally I don't think it was too bad, we have 2 first team strikers and a few promising youngsters wanting game-time who can play there. In many ways this is quite similar to 90% of Torres' career at Anfield and whilst not convenient is not the end of the world and I'm sure we will pull through. Those calling for the head of Ayre just consider that we will probably replace him with a business man who does not care one bit for LFC. As badly as Ayre did there is a big case to be made for having a Liverpool fan as MD as opposed to say.... a Chelsea fan. Liverpool 2-Arsenal-0 :)
Rusty

02 Sep 2012 12:02:32
How has Ian blue jeans and farmer t shirt Ayre still got a job.

02 Sep 2012 11:59:21
Yeah so the transfer deadline day didn't deliver what we expected/deserved.

And Maybe we are still worried by our lack of goal potentials.

But as soon as i hear 'You'll Never Walk Alone' today that will be forgotten.

I have a good feeling about today, either one of borini or sterling will shine and i am very optimistic.

COME ON RED MEN

YNWA

StevieeeLFC

02 Sep 2012 11:43:01
Carroll is at west ham

Hope he plays well and I hope we had the foresight to make sure we dont get peanuts for him or the option to not accept their bids if he starts melting the net.

Although I liked Carroll, I believe that Michael Ngoo will be a worthy replacement in a year or two.

He is a class act. Strong, quick and more importantly very skillful for a big target man. The lad can play with the ball on the deck and has a engine like Kuyt.

I dont know wether it was because Carroll was playing whilst injured but Ngoo works harder in reserve games than Carroll seemed to for 95% of prem games he played.

Morgan Sterling and Ngoo are all very different players, all young and all have great potential.

Lets hope the kids take their chances

Carroll received a standing ovation from the West Ham fans when he left the field.
I watched that game and I applauded him also.

I hope all Liverpool fans cheer on their team today in the same way. To much negativity around here, this resonates onto the players on the field. You want these players to play well for you? You want these players to put in effort that can sometimes risk them personal injury? Then give them some support thats worth the risk!
I see a lot of guys on here moaning about someone we haven't signed, yet i saw Borini on the field against City having to wave to the Kop to get them to cheer against City? What the hell was that about? The fans should have been showing Borini what he came here for, he should not have been standing on that pitch asking for it.
Has anybody wondered why LFC play great for an hour then fall apart? I have noticed that the fans cheer for the first half, then second half after they sit there getting shouted down by opposition fans. The game is lost before we take to the field lately, Brendan Rodgers is asking for support in his interviews, give it to him and the team. Show the youngsters that this is place they would want to stay, not instill in them the wish for a wonder season so they can get the hell out of here.
Positive Mental Attitude, all winners should have some.....

Huws

I totally agree, but i think sterling will be the only one to get any game time in the prem unless we have a few injuries at the same time, time for borini to play down the middle, lets see what he`s got, hopefully 15-20 goals in him !

02 Sep 2012 11:41:49
My Guess for todays team

Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Downing
Sahin Allen
Gerrard
Borini Suarez Sterling

Deffo think Sahin will be in today.
Maybe Kelly in for Johnson and Johnson in for Downing

T23Hero

According to bib theory the starting lineup is

reina
johnson skrtel agger robinson
gerrard allen sahin
assaidi suarez sterling

T23Hero spot on

02 Sep 2012 11:39:15
Whatever player we have, i will support them. It does not matter to me that which player is in the squad. I will support who ever is playing and wearing that red jersey with a bird and three letters printed, 'L','F','C'.
Love LFC.

^^ this guy is welcome round my house to watch the game anytime....

Huws

02 Sep 2012 11:38:47
edds will u post this please ? u not posted any of my posts ever ,
all i want to say is this , an important point , FSG are worth net $27 billion , yet they have not invested much of their own net funds into this club , last year they gave KK £ 23 million fresh cash to get players , the rest coming from sales { torres most notibly } at same time they spent $350 million on two baseball players for red sox , i think FSG could invest more fresh cash into LFC , to get us into the champ league , if we dont get into champ league , we will fall further behind our rivals , and we will become a poorer club ,
great site edds thanks for all hard work , much appreciated . {Ed052's Note - Mate the reason your posts probably don't go up is because they are either ridiculous or just totally wrong. No offence but FSG have ploughed money into the club right from the off. Even this summer they have spent around £35m+ on transfers alone!�}

Ed they didnt spend this summer

they saved 23 millon wages,4for adam1for kuty, 1for andy

and bought
allen 15 borini11 assaidi 2.4 nuri 2yesil 1

the difference is 2.4 million {Ed052's Note - Yes, then the wages of the new players too and your transfer figures are incorrect by around 6m}

Will the guy that made this post please take a long hard look at whats happened to Glagow Rangers........

Huws

Ed after the wage bill deductions your looking at alot less then that they spent overall, what happened to the money from raul meireles? they are just as greedy as the last owners sorry! RedTurk {Ed052's Note - No mate. Last season, with Dalglish in charge, the wage bill went up. These summer, if has been erduced, but not by a huge amount eihter}

The investors are worth In Total 27b
But the clues in the name investors
not donators

02 Sep 2012 11:35:01
Had a nightmare tonight... we lose 4-2 to Arsenal. Will hardly happen but thought I'd share. My tip is 2-1 Liverpool. YNWA

T23Hero

With Howard Webb up front for the gooners we're in for a pasting.

Muahaha... I often have nightmares like that too!

Coincidentally the last time was a monthe BEFORE we were to play Arsenal at home last season lol

Guess what score I dreamt? Correct.

Hope you had a "wrong" dream :)

StrabaneRed

Easy 3 0 win, they cant score so it will be easy

So your theory of football is:
Not buying one attacking player means you will conceed 4 goals against a team who sold their best striker and have so far failed to score against anyone this season?

They have not conceded either

02 Sep 2012 11:33:19
I have just thought of another reason why Carroll cannot be recalled in case of injury - HE IS INJURED!!!
Dutchmal

02 Sep 2012 11:30:46
Ok...we didn't get a striker but....

We are playing with 3 upfront. We have alot of players who can play in the front 3:

Suarez
Borini
Assaidi
Gerrard
Downing
and even Cole!

And also the kids are breaking through:

Sterling
Morgan
Yesil
Suso

If Pacheco stays and we register him the lad may finally step up to his ability.

I remember when we never used to flap about spending huge money on our strikers. If we had a history of buying rather than looking what we have, then Fowler and Owen would never have been given their chances to shine. I hope the kids burst onto the scene and we have a young team that could go on to challenge year after year for honours. Screw going after the 29year old mercenary type of players.
Come January I hope the we dont even need to buy a striker in!

BR wants goals from the team not 1 player and I hope that will be the case.

And lets see what Suarez can do with a full season under his belt and no bans this year....People saying he cant score alot of goals need to look at his International record. Lets show some faith, the team needs hear the fans are behind them and I think the kids who get the opportunity to play will seize it.

Worst case scenario is that we find we still need a striker in January and after the transfer deadline day disaster, BR will have funds available. The wage bill has been slashed not our wrists!

We will show everyone that we make superstars at LFC we dont need to go spend crazy

MIf we are short on players up front I deffo think Johnson can do OK further up. Maybe Hendo. This ONLY if we Lose players to injury etc

In Jan i hope we get either Fernando Llorente or Leandro Damiao plus Walcott.

those 2 with 6months left would only cost

£13m for LLorente (due to competition for his signature)

£8m for Walcott (same reason)

around £20m for both. but with £2m+ signing on fees each but both good wages that we could pay.

around 85k for Walcott
and 90k for Llorente

02 Sep 2012 11:27:08
Morning all,

Now the anger and pain has subsided, its time to take a look back at the window with a broader view. Ok we all thought we'd get Dempsey and maybe 1 other striker, I still think we'll regret not bringing him in but its gone now so its time to move on.

I read somewhere that we got rid of over £20M worth of wages a season with all the players that left. When you consider it was only Carroll and maybe Bellamy that would get anywhere near our 1st team thats utterly incredible, Unsustainable. FSG are trying to turn us into a self sustaining, viable business (probably to try and then sell) but surely thats a good thing.

Also, other than in the striking department we have greatly improved our team, and yes, I agree that the striking department was the 1 that most of us thought required the most attention. In Joe Allen we finally have a player who looks like he could go on and fill the void left by Xabi Alonso. And we still have one of the best central defensive partnerships in the EPL and Europe. And I suppose the positive of not bringing in Dempsey is that Sterling would have been pushed back down the pecking order, Now he will get alot more EPL exposure and experience which is what 90% of the posters on here have been calling for.

A convincing win today and all is forgotten, lose and FSG are in for it later. So its time to forgive and forget and get back to business.

Keep it going Brendan

Tommy Walsh

02 Sep 2012 11:24:24
Just got back from weekend break before going to game per norm today. What a fookin joke are clubs becoming. Spent weekend listening to others take p ss. How can we reach our ambitions eith one top and only two strikers in all? Ok we got stung in past, but weve made our point.Why where we lead to believe there would be incomings? Established be dissaffected from this. If Fenway cant afford us-Thanks for saving us but sell up!

Most sensible post since the hysteria of the transfer window

02 Sep 2012 11:30:15
Hello Eds and Hello Readers, Just came back from sunny Florida and after 2 weeks, I find out people are more up in arms than ever since the whole deadline day disaster, I must say I'm not happy not that we didn't sign Dempsey but that we dragged him about, if we weren't gonna make a decent offer... leave it. Next to let Carroll go without any form of back up was stupid, I wasn't asking for a big name but someone as simple as a smart deal like assaidi. Though at the same time I confident about today and feel people need to calm down. thing will get better. -McMenemy

Carroll went out on loan simply to save wages

Rogers has said that if he had his way some that went out on loan would not have gone on loan

Rogers is just following orders

FSG are pulling the strings and money must be saved

Whether that is good or bad depends on your opinion and what FSG are trying to do

02 Sep 2012 11:29:50
Hi eds, nw dat we are force to scrap the barrel for backup strikers. Will anelka, drogba be possibilities ESP nw they face issues in their china club? {Ed063's Note - No. We aren't 'forced to scrap the barrel' we have talented youth who will now get a chance}

Scrapping the barrel we have gone lower than a snakes belly, we went through the barrel

Lets try 2 bring our youth into the squad and let the cream rise support vocally and 4ever

02 Sep 2012 11:28:57
hi eds with us lacking a striker could we really move for owen? i would think not considering the fan's contempt for the player and i'm sure he knows it as well but stranger things have happened in football {Ed063's Note - No chance}

We could not pay owen unless he came for free or jelly babies

02 Sep 2012 11:27:29
Hi eds, I herd that we are looking at out of contract , James mcfaden , reo coker, Ivan klasin, Owen , {Ed063's Note - Haha}

02 Sep 2012 11:24:34
been hearing Rodgers is taking a look at free-agent Eidur Gudjohnsen, whom he knows from his days at Chelsea!?

02 Sep 2012 11:24:04
Ed's can we recall Carroll at any time during the season like any other loan deal? {Ed063's Note - Nope}

Sunday Times saying we can - in January.

02 Sep 2012 11:05:09
Hi ed(s)

I have read a few comments about the club being in a poor financial state. However we have reduced the debts wage bill and increased sponsorship. Does this mean that the wage bill is still too high? Also are other clubs in a good financial state. We usually get out spent buy spurs etc, surely spurs dont have a higher income than ours as we must have a higher worldwide fanbase and money from merchandising?

Thanks, Andy {Ed002's Note - Arsenal are probably the best placed in terms of a self-sustaining model. Manchester United has a far higher income than other clubs. Spurs has wealthy owners that are generally supportive. Chelsea has an owner who is a football fan and very supportive. I could go on. The wage nill will be much more sustainable now. CL football would be a major step forward.}

So the ideal situation is to make the club achieve a higher income and get an owner who is supportive and is also a fan?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - No problem then?}

02 Sep 2012 11:09:34
NO TO OWEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Get him in on a 4 month deal, pay as you play. We might as well, nothing to lose.

Yesil, Morgan, Suso would be better than him.

02 Sep 2012 11:05:06
Just read that Lucas Barrios may become available, is this correct? If so, sign him up!

02 Sep 2012 11:03:48
2-1 reds today allen to score come oooon allfc

02 Sep 2012 11:03:28
anyone else think dani pacheco should play more with us short of options upfront..
morgan tried his best the other day but looked not quite ready yet while sterling at 17 should not be overplayed..downing is playing leftback and cole injured means only assaidi remains our first choice winger until enrique and cole return..
pacheco was good at pre season and
pacheco-borini-suarez would be a pretty decent attack..

Yes. I thought about Pacheco too.

02 Sep 2012 11:02:35
Michael Owen being linked with a return to Anfield, I suppose after the dealine mess-up this could be true. Grazer 1975

02 Sep 2012 11:02:05
I know its going to be hard without depth in the striker department but hopefully gerrard and allen can score some between then who knows maybe even downing! I think Johnson could score a few this season too. We have to stay positive and use our influence as the "12 man" to lift the team.

2-1 today for me. gerrard first scorer!

Murph

02 Sep 2012 10:55:06
Why didn't you guys put a bid in for Messi and Iniesta, you are the mighty Reds after all and they would have jumped at the chance to join you surely... And while you were at it, Ronaldo and Neymar as well. They'd love to play for LFC.

Dave M

Dex {Ed052's Note - Sorry mate. Check all the pages perhaps. I will keep an eye out for you to make sure your posts go through, aslong as they don't break the rules. }

Fool, go away you childish little man.

Cheers buddy! Thanks for all the hard work!
Dex {Ed052's Note - No probs}

02 Sep 2012 10:51:48
Hi Eds, first and foremost, great site; I have been following continuously since April this year. Fantastic work.

Friday was a joke, Dempsey should have been a Liverpool player by the end of the transfer deadline without a doubt. However, I don't understand how there wasn't a back up option if Demsey / Sturridge deal collapsed? BR clearly wasn't impressed as he left Melwood first - I'm guessing out of anger.

Anyway, Gillon Mclachlan has declined a move to England and hence, the LFC job. I know that earlier this year FSG were being advised by a number of 'footballing experts', supposed footballing legends. Do you know who these people were and would there be a possibility that one of these advisers takes Ayre's job?

Thanks Eds!

hardz10 {Ed063's Note - I don't sorry}

02 Sep 2012 10:51:11
Hey Eds,
I have one Question ?
Has Assaidi got his international clearance? will he be playing today or not ?

Kindly respond.

Thanks
Reds Till Death.
YNWA {Ed063's Note - He is available - dont know if he'll start though}

02 Sep 2012 10:50:24
are the eds all reds sorry if this is a stupid query just read a post yesterday that made me wonder
magnis {Ed063's Note - Not all of them, I am but there are eds who support various other clubs}

Good man yourself , so do you reply to posts on other club rumours sites {Ed063's Note - Just the profiles site mate}

02 Sep 2012 11:19:02
I was dissapointed with no one bought in deadline day, but now will look forward to seeing what some of our youngsters can do. Do the eds know if the club are having a review of what happened deadline day? Could anyone clear up for me, did Daniel Pacheco leave or stay?

Mills {Ed002's Note - Pacheco remains at the club.}

02 Sep 2012 11:13:09
Hello eds is it true that ian ayres job is in the balance and he could be sacked? i think it should at least be under consideration. as he has proven himself as being totally useless in the dempsey saga cheers and i kno in my job if i showed that kind of ineptitude id be scked on the spot CRAIG

02 Sep 2012 11:11:51
I posted before but you didn't print, ... Marshy {Ed002's Note - If it was the same post then the reason it did not get posted is that it ios factually incorrect and not the reason for the complaint.}

Factually incorrect? How so? {Ed002's Note - The complaint was nothing whatsoever to do with the web site. We have dealt with that matter it has gone.}

02 Sep 2012 11:11:27
All this fuss about getting a striker in when Spain walked the Euros without one. We will play Allen, Sahin, Gerrard, Suarez, Borini & Sterling all roaming everywhere just like we did against the Premier Champions last week!

02 Sep 2012 10:48:57
i think every one will agree its about time we started to keep clean sheets . schoolboy errors have to be eradicated if results are to be improved. think spotlight will focus on reina now if no improvement he will be replaced . sommer of basel will be his replacement??

alan waddle

02 Sep 2012 10:48:05
Hello Ed(s),

Is it true that Lucas Barrios is in a similar situation to Didier Drogba, and could become a free agent quite soon?

Cheers,

Stone YNWA. {Ed002's Note - I don't know what the situation is with Barrios.}

02 Sep 2012 10:45:52
People can we please stop all the negativity surrounding the fact that we did not sign anybody on transfer deadline day! Now dont get me wrong i am disappointed and i DO think FSG have let us down a bagful. However the fact of the matter is that i support LIVERPOOL FC not FSG, not Brendan Rodgers, not even King Kenny. I hear people on this site talking about how Shankly would be turning in his grave over what the americans have done to the club but i firmly the believe that what would upset Shanks the most is us! We seem to have forgotten his values! Loyalty, determination, family, honour.... (tho your dreams be tossed and blown!) The institution Shankly built was based on these values not marquee signings, not who owned the club and certainly not (what seems to concern us most) money! So in short people lets not focus on the negatives lets remember why we fell in love with the club in the first place, why we are considered to be knowledgeable football fans! Why the atmosphere at Anfield used to give our TEAM an extra 10%. Remember we are Liverpool Football Club regardless of who owns or manages us, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, TILL DEATH DO US PART. Dont worry aboubt what we didnt get and support what we have. So basically what im saying is for all of us going to the game today is - get behind the team and most importantly lets remind Arsenal, other teams that have yet to visit us and most importantly ourselves that THIS IS ANFIELD!

Cretin , FSG are destroying this great club with lack of funds , FSG are worth net $27 billion , yet they wont stump up extra 2 million to sign a proven goal scorer , i love LFC , and will say when FSG are wrong !! {Ed002's Note - FSG are not worth anything like $27B.}

02 Sep 2012 10:45:45
Too many fans on the site want instant success, I for one am glad we didn't get Sturridge as he has a bad attitude and he could stunt sterlings progression. This transfer window has been a huge success. Would the same fans be moaning if we left the sahin and Allen signings to the deadline day - no they wouldn't. Transfers are for the whole window not just the day itself. I admit I was a little disappointed that we never got a goal scorer in but I am elated that we got rid of loads of Squad players who were on huge wages. The squad maybe thin at the moment but it is good enough to keep us in a decent position until January. I would prefer giving the youngsters a chance. I actually see class players all around our team and believe that they can push on until the next window. I do think that the Europa league should now be for the youth players and squad players as I don't think our players could hack that as well. Come on let's get behind our team and hopefully we will be smiling with 3 points against the gooners. YNWA Red Rom

02 Sep 2012 10:41:07
hi, eds.
liverpool fans need to get it into there heads that the owner have`nt bought the club to make us great again. they have bought it to make money and money only.
the owners were never going to build a new stadium. they were only ever going to redevelop Anfield and sell the naming rights for Anfield.
they said they would compete with the big teams for players.
they said rodgers had there full backing.
they have sold the chopped the wage bill down by at least 30m this season alone.
they have sign deals with an asian airlines company.
signed deals with corvette motor company.
signed warrior kit deal worth £150m over 5 years.
signed standard charted kit sponsor worth £120m at least over 4-5 years.
signed a deal for a liverpool fly on the wall programme.
and they say it will take years for liverpool to start getting on its feet again.
so take no notice what these other yanks say. they also are only here to bleed the club dry. the only difference is these yanks do it in a nicer way. they say things the right things to get the fans excited. and every so often puts his wife in the crowd dressed in red and get her to sing y.n.w.a. and it meant to show how much they love the club.

What you say maybe correct, BUT how much did they pay for the club in the first place? we very nearly went into administration, they have spent a small fortune over the last 18 months on players and wages.
Yes we do need to compete with the big spenders , but on the pitch and not at the bank, we have a wage structure which we keep to, nothing wrong there, we will not pay over the odds for players anymore and the main thing that FSG are doing ........ is making us a team that can compete in the future.
OK we did not get our signings that BR wanted , but we do have a very good squad, the youngsters coming through and over the next few years, thanks to the very Lucrative sponsership deals that have been negotiated we will become a very stable club and competing at the very top year in year out.
So dont be so blind as to look back, look forward then judge in 12-18 months.
Until then just suport our team, Manager and owners.

I have always said that if we had scored 10-15 more goals last season we could of finished top 4 , and with the additions and the younger players I honestly believe this is very possible this season.

kevc

02 Sep 2012 10:30:09
This is not a rumour. Just an observation.

Do you think that our players come on here sometimes? Easy to find this site for those that are interested and I'd assume that at least some of the lads are.

Therefore, will you lot stop the winging? Of course we have to make honest comments and not live in a fantasy world but loads of yous are sounding like boo boys and that's NOT the club that I support.

Think about your job and how your performance would be affected if all you heard was negativity and worry.

I bet the worst moaners don't even go the match.

Stop it now before we become Villa.

Come on. It's easy. After three.... one, two, three "come on you ****in Red Men!" Now doesn't that feel better?

02 Sep 2012 10:29:26
Come on the reds! After this match I predict we will be above arsenal man u and tottenham woo so happy that tottenham are drawing

02 Sep 2012 10:29:18
morning eds...

Friday was a let down , but to be honest i'm happy with the squad we have. The only thing we are lacking is depth.

Back on to friday though eds , was this down to ayre or the owners in your opinion.

LAVERS {Ed002's Note - It was down to not being able to agree a fee for Dempsey - nothing more.}

02 Sep 2012 10:29:02
Suso has not gone on loan. 100%. So please stop saying he has. He is still serving a domestic ban so hopefully will be in some squads after that has ended. Once again, Suso has not gone on loan.

02 Sep 2012 10:17:49
We need an experienced striker as back up in case Suarez or Borini get injured. Another reason is that not only Morgan, but Flanagan, Robinson and even Sterling need to be bled in to the first team properly. At that age giving too much exposure against top teams is not always good. Young players can either loose confidence very quickly or let success get to their head.
The best example of this is Insua. When he 1st came into to the team, me and I am sure a lot of you guys too thought we've uncovered a gem. One for the long run. Then came the injury to Aurelio and Rafa was left with little choice other than play him week in and week out. A couple of mistakes led to loss in form and rest as they say is history.
Two days back I would have dismissed the mere suggestion of signing Owen as ridiculous, but the truth is that these are desperate times and desperate times call for desperate measures. And also another point is the experience that Owen can bring in with him will surely help a 21 year old Borini and a 19 year old Morgan.
Also there is no disagreement to the fact that Owen is past his best but a one year deal would surely do us more good than harm, till Jan atleast?

Flanagan isn't good enough and not needed. Robinson might make it but he has the problem that McLaughlin looks very good if not much better than him. Morgan is almost certainly not good enough and should be replaced by Ngoo who has a better all round game

02 Sep 2012 10:10:57
i reckon joe allen is the key today. already he seems to be the sort who will be a nuisance to the opposing team-as in he wants the ball, will use it well-get it back if we lose it- been starved of players like him in recent times. the fee paid could be snip-compared with some

02 Sep 2012 10:10:50
can't beleive some people on here they need their heads looking at the transfer window as a bad one. Borini impressed me against city we should of won that game 2 nil and he ran his socks off. allen ran the show another signing that has been a worth the money he'll only get better knowing his team mates. Sahin well coming from a team like Real he has to be a good player i didnt see anything from him at real due to injuiries but i did a Dortmund and he was awesome alongside kagawa and goetze. You may aswell add Sterling as a new signing but from our academy as he'd made one appearance to date since the season began. we havn'y even seen Assaidi or Mesil. So everyone shut up whinging and get behind the boys.

02 Sep 2012 09:50:07
ED02 if you're around I've got a couple of questions over LFC accounts, if you'll be kind enough to answer.

Since FSG have arrived, they've brought huge sponsorship deals in, with the form of Warrior and Standard Chartered (may have been before FSG?). Those two add significant amounts to LFC's revenue along with TV rights (which are going up), but we're still losing £50 mil a year, or so?

The loss of Champions league revenue and a ridiculous wage bill (for the standard of players) must be the major factors in the losses we've been making, right? But also I presume the sacking and hiring of managers may play a part (although Kenny waived his compensation)?. Plus the amount spent of pointless stadium plans.

Transfer money has been spent, but I can only imagine its around a net spend of £60 million, including this summer. Not including agent fee's, insurance etc which I know are big factors. So nothing too crazy, but significant enough.

Now that the wage bill has been significantly reduced, along with the size of the squad for bonuses etc, do you feel LFC will still be making significant losses?

Do you think we'll always struggle without that bigger stadium and more corporate boxes, or can we start to be profitable if we re-gain champions league status?

Thanks in advance.

Papa G {Ed002's Note - The Standard Chartered deal does predate the owners and was done by H&G - you can thank them for that. Champions League football can be expected to bring in around £25M to a club reaching the group stages. There would also be an additional £5M from Standard Chartered. The wages have been reduced significantly and players moved on. The net spending on transfers this summer is around £28M. If Liverpool get back in to the Champions League it will also bring additional sponsorship and avoiding vast spending in the transfer windows the club will be making losses at what one might deem an acceptable level. I don't see a new stadium as a viable option but a managed expansion of Anfield with naming rights would bring rewards.}

Papa g I'd love all that to be explained to me as well , can't get me head around all this were bleeding money for years without CL footy .

LB

Thanks for the response Ed, I appreciate the time.

I agree expansion seems the best possible option, seems like things are shaping up for that to happen. Hopefully some news will come soon.

From an interest only perspective, are Chelsea still trying to build a new stadium, as they can't expand the Bridge? I know they lost there bid for Battersea Power Station to a Malayisan consortium, so presume they're looking at alternatives.

It should be an interested few years for Chelsea, Tottenham, Everton and Liverpool as they all vie up stadium options. If it all comes off those 4 along with City, Arsenal, United and Newcastle may pull away entirely from the rest if that happens.

Papa G {Ed002's Note - Chelsea would look to build a new stadium if it finally turns out that SB cannot be extended. There are two issues with SB - the height of the stadium and egress from the site in an emergency. Battersea Power Station remains a chance as all that was lost was preferred bidder status. Earls Court seems to be unlikely as does a move to near Loftus Road/Wormwood Scrubs.}

Thanks, Ed002. Always a pleasure to read your insight into other matters than just the playing side of the club. Good to have you back from your hols/trip.

Ginger Rodgers

02 Sep 2012 10:39:13
Hi Liverpool family

Last night i was so gutted and disillusioned with the farce that was our so called transfer policy.

However I have now calmed down and thought rationally about what happened.
FSG's policy has always to be self sufficient and to only buy players who are young and will appreciate in value. When you look at the players they have provided money for e.g. Boriini, Allen and Assaidi then all should appreciate in value and contribute to the team for years to come, however if you look at the prospective transfers, Dempsey (29), Sturridge (cost around 18 mil and hasn't done anything), Walcott same as Sturridge, then maybe its better we do wait and pick someone who better suits the policy.
We are all saying we should give the youth a chance, well now they have 5 months to prove themselves and all of us may be be very surprised how they will adapt.

Also we have to remember we kept the vultures from the door and we still have one of the best center backs in the league in Agger.

So lets give FSG a little more time and see if their policy starts be reap the benefits they are promising, and for one thing lets do what we do best and start supporting the club from top to bottom.

You Will Never Walk Alone

From a calmer and more positive Liverpool supporter

Evered

It would be nice to hear your response to all that went on last night Eds and by the way a great job by all the eds last night, pure class {Ed063's Note - We let a lot of fringe and average players go, yes we didnt bring anyone in but its simply a great chance for our youngsters. Im optimistic personally.}

02 Sep 2012 10:38:14
There's something foul in the state of Liverpool. I love this club but there is something that is so wrong it hurts us the fans. Rogers, Ayre, FSG, I don't know.

02 Sep 2012 10:37:48
there are more free agents player that we can get except for owen/drogba/anelka ?

02 Sep 2012 10:35:41
Everyone's talking as if the game against the Gooners is going to be a walkover. I love the optimism and the enthusiasm, just don't let it take over to an extent where a 1-0 loss is like losing out on Dempsey all over again.

Arsenal is a very good team that needs time to gel, just like us.

It'll be a close thing - their upfront firepower against our stronger midfield. If we play to BR's plan, we'll win.

Really hope we make a statement today but I would take any kind of win.

Go Reds!

Doha Red

Cazorla is the only player in the Arsenal team I see as a threat.

Stone YNWA.

02 Sep 2012 10:33:40
I believe it is the great bill shanklys birthday today, let's put in a dominante performance for him and take all three points, make him proud lads as he will no doubt be watching over you YNWA.

02 Sep 2012 10:33:12
Anybody backing a 3-1 or a 4-1 or maby a close 4-3 to liverpool today a cheeky 5er on cant hurt anything apart from your pockets dunno lads just have a feeling the players gonna let loose today sahin for 2 assists suarez for a brace borrini and gerrard for score sheet or 1st goal to come from set peice so either agger or skertel to score 1st should be good odds. STEMLOCC1

02 Sep 2012 10:32:48
Like it or not guys, if Owen is the only option we have then I'm afraid we HAVE to take it. Morgan isn't ready no matter what people think, he would struggle if he had to play a run of games and Suarez can't hit the broad side of a barn. If we don't get someone in just to play even the Europa league matches then we're knackered, can you imagine if Suarez had to play every match? He'd be goosed by Xmas.

02 Sep 2012 10:03:04
People lets just get this straight the Owners were probably sending out a message that we are not going to be held to ransom over transfers anymore.....Not by the selling clubs,not by the players and not by the fans.
They are making our club strong again and that is what matters.Could you see any of the top managers and clubs being run any other way.

I like this we are now going to have to blood in some youngsters and its refreshing almost like a new perception and why not we have great young talent lets put a bit of faith in it.
Now im not one to bash players but would you rather spend millions on an underachieving player whos been there and done it or give some new talent whos proven himself at the club since youth level a chance to realise their dream.

Arsenal are going to be tough but I see us being tougher.

Kopping a feel

02 Sep 2012 09:29:11
Hi eds. I know sahin will probably start but do u think that assaidi will be in contention for at least a bench role? would appreciate your reply. thanks.

KrishnaYNWA {Ed001's Note - I expect him to be in contention, yes, unless he picks up a knock I would also expect him to make it on to the bench.}

02 Sep 2012 09:04:44
www.thepfa.com/transferlist/listedplayers/sortbydate/-1/outofcontract/1/
Quite interesting link. All free agents, might be worth a look. Heard a rumour a number of times that Juventus still want Suarez, 60 mil apparently, any truth in it?

02 Sep 2012 08:38:21
Eds, how much do you think that the FFP legislation has had an effect on Liverpool this summer? The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that our transfer activities are a reflection of the owners beginning to adhere to the new rules and ensure, come 2015, we are not going to be caught out. {Ed001's Note - none, our issue is that we run at a loss, nothing to do with FFP, all to do with the owners having to subsidise the club's operations.}

02 Sep 2012 05:40:23
FSG. There is a fundamental problem here. There is still no news on a stadium, a refusal to accept that a new stadium may be the better option, an alarmingly small amount of money to spend, a failure to secure what look like vital transfers and what is seemingly the running of the club in a completely amateurish way. We, the fans donot deserve this. I will support Rodgers and the players to the hilt this season but I will not support the owners.

People talk about wage bills cut, money saved, etc etc. What use is this if the money saved is going directly into FSG's (and possibly the Boston Red Sox's) coffers? Saving that money is all well and good but if it is not actually being invested in our club then we are simply being bled dry slowly. This isn't acceptable. People are reluctant to criticise the owners and, after the last bunch were so disastrous, people seem to be just hoping that the new owners will be different. It might be true but as fans they are accountable to us - if things are not going right we have a right to voice our opinion, a right to protest, a right to demonstrate. Has that time come yet? I don't know, but if we continue to let our club slide then we are in serious danger of fading into mid-table obscurity and possibly worse.

Optimistic (or delusional) fans putting a positive spin on this summers transfers please open your eyes. No other club with aspirations like ours have operated in such a slapdash, laxadaisical manner - it is difficult to believe these owners are experienced businessmen! We, as Liverpool fans, demand more. We will not continue to accept this - how long do we accept this profiteeringof our football club?

SMc {Ed001's Note - the problem is that we don't make any money, the club is losing money and FSG are covering those losses. The money saved is still going to leave us making a loss, not profit going into someone's pocket. If the club wasn't operating at a loss, then you could sit there and whine about FSG.}

The problem is with delusional fans like you who don't have the proper facts and don't know what they are talking about, Simonpw

I'd love to know what FSG are thinking. We all know money is made in the CL. But with the clubs above us spending money, we will find it very hard to get 6th, never mind 4th.

I understand that we dont want to be another Leeds, and spend money we dont have. But Liverpool are bigger than Leeds (bold statement) surely we could run at an acceptable loss (alot of companies do) for a short peroid in the hope of securing CL football, thus reducing our loss margin each year.

I know the above is based on IF's but if FSG continue trying to balance the books it will come back to haunt them, we are already deemed a mid table team.

As the yanks like to say "ya gotta speculate to accumalate"

Dublad

The club has been running at a loss for many many years.

02 Sep 2012 03:52:53
hi eds, could one of you please clarify what was happening n the last couple days regarding henderson. i've heard everything from rejected bids from villa to possible swap deals with dempsey, so i figured you guys would be the ones to ask

cheers

JSR-YNWA-JFT96 {Ed001's Note - we offered him on loan to Fulham as part of the attempt to sign Dempsey and we did reject an enquiry from Villa.}

02 Sep 2012 09:49:26
You know what it doesnt matter now... Its game on. This might make us play better and give our new players more game time.

We will reign supreme. Its the football we play that will determine how well we do. I think come next season or possibly January we will sign quality. Lets hope they do the transfers earlier

Slowpoke

02 Sep 2012 09:47:57
Top secret

Spurs are preparing a 50million bid for LFC's scouting network. A spurs source says "we can not keep relying on Liverpool to identify our transfer targets"!!

Northeast red

02 Sep 2012 09:46:21
we dont need any freebies, the likes of owen,drogba to old we dont need a striker either wat we need is some one to keep putting the ball in the net.theres enough tallent in the side.spain won the euros with out a striker, so we can play the same.

Spain have some of the best players in the world and can do that, what do we have hmmm garbage.

02 Sep 2012 09:45:14
eds..... thank u for Ur comprehensive covering of an apparently very disappointing and vexing transfer window for Liverpool F.C..... and thank u for ur patience...... this has to be said
i have a question.... will Mr. Rodgers walk out after this fiasco that happened with the transfer window?? wouldn't blame him.....it looks like a sinking ship... He might want to leave and site the reason as unfulfilled promises especially if there are contract clauses are involved {Ed063's Note - No he will not leave}

02 Sep 2012 09:43:02
As far as I know Sebastian Boenisch is a free agent..great LB we need him!!

thanks

frici

02 Sep 2012 09:33:15
Let's forget Dempsey, deadline day etc. what the team needs right now is an electrifying fan base getting behind the team not concentrating on demonstrations etc. I think the team will be galvanised today and will beat Arsenal and go on to have a great season..

Gazline

02 Sep 2012 09:31:27
Regardless of who we signed or not, and regardless of which players we wanted and did not signed WE SHOULD ALL BE UNITED AND BE BEHIND THE CLUB AND THE PLAYERS WE ALREADY HAVE. We have to stick together as a club and concentrate on winning games.
Our squat is top notch
Have faith and believe in our manager and our squat.

02 Sep 2012 09:19:37
Well if there is one silver lining from the transfer window is that we may let Morgan and Pacheo be given a chance, nothing more satisfying than seeing youth coming through and doing well.

02 Sep 2012 09:17:39
This is taken from wiki about old whiskey nose's career. Have a read and see what you reckon. Any similarities to our current situation?
"Ferguson was heavily criticised in the summer of 1995 when three of United's star players were allowed to leave and replacements were not bought. First Paul Ince moved to Internazionale of Italy for £7.5 million, long serving striker Mark Hughes was suddenly sold to Chelsea in a £1.5 million deal, and Andrei Kanchelskis was sold to Everton.

It was widely known that Ferguson felt that United had a number of young players who were ready to play in the first team. The youngsters, who would be known as "Fergie's Fledglings", included Gary Neville, Phil Neville, David Beckham, Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt, who would all go on to be important members of the team. And so the 1995-96 season began without a major signing, at a time when the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle United were making the headlines with big money signings"

I know it's not quite the same, but United had their reservations that season too, and look what's happened?
It was a bit of a mess on Friday, but we've got a great young team, full of promise, and a young manager that has the potential to be a legend....and of course, the best supporters in the world.

Davedee

Good post but they did have the small advantage of a goalscorer still ticked agree as i see what your point is

There are so many holes in that post, nonsense, I'm afraid..!

With respect the old git was incredibly lucky to have such talented youngsters coming through at that time, we don't have that and we're struggling at the moment and they weren't.

02 Sep 2012 09:16:10
Ok, we were all gutted on Friday, we are left with potential rather than proven quality. However, we are where we are. Let us prove we are the best fans in the country and show our support to BR and our young guns. Lets not stifle the club dreaming of January!

I agree tho we do have proven quality but no more talk of signings til next year plz
avoo

02 Sep 2012 09:14:05
Ayre Out.

02 Sep 2012 09:06:58
Is Sahin left footed. {Ed063's Note - He is indeed}

02 Sep 2012 09:04:51
morning eds,cant wait till 1pm when the boys take on the gooner's.buzzing dont care whats gone on in the window its over,or what the owner's did or did not do,it is what it is the window is shut and lets get back to backing the boys 110%,we are liverpool fc an are boys are playing ive got the buzz of match day,thats all the matter's to me.when the boys come out on the pitch and you'll never walk alone ring's out that something money cant buy,my beer's are chilling,the wife is taking the kids out happy days lolol,come on LFC lets give em hell walk on.jay essex red for life red till dead

Jay, you're spot-on lad. Let's forget about all that now (although some won't because they love a good moan).

DaveyBootle

Can I come to your house?

Dead right lets give it to them gooners then every thing will seem much better, positivity thats what we need now, Dempsey, good player though he would've been for us, is not the long term answer, youth is where its at so come on Brendan you said it - if they're good enough they're old enough stick yesil in lets rip em up!
stevieH

Kick off is 1.30pm

02 Sep 2012 08:58:34
So just because we didn't sign Dempsey we are going to play rubbish today? Did we have Dempsey when we twice took the lead over city, and its only four months till January when we can sign messi ha ha, have faith people, #inlfcwetrust
Trillsport

Maybe now Suarez will find his real goalscoring form now - you don't score 111 goals in 158 games for Ajax if you are not a natural goalscorer.

Great point though about how we didn't need Dempsey - and we still haven't seen Sahin or Assaidi yet, with Yesil to maybe get a chance later in the season.

John B

02 Sep 2012 08:48:55
I would love to see some banners today at the stadium..the likes of "AYRE OUT", "YANKS OUT", etc...

Why?? Thats really getting behind the boys aint it?? MORON!!

You are a disgrace

Only the first banner is needed.

Nice one you tool, just support the team! PJ

Kind of fans like yourself who we dont need. instead of worrying about stupid things like that. support the team. you wont be saying that if we smash arsenal today. person

You're entitled to an opinion of course but protesting in such a way will encourage Arsenal and give their fans something to focus on. I am not lucky enough to have a ticket for the game today but I hope those that do support the team and LFC as a whole and scare the life out of Arsenals new boys! Ged

I would love to see complete dumbnuts like you "disappear" from "existence"....etc....(I could put more full stops, semi colons and other punctuative devices, but I doubt you'll take notice.......? ^^*)

Behave.

DaveyBootle

Why this is a bit OTT isn't it? FSG are constantly puting money into the club.

We have spent a fair bit of money this summer. Ok deadline day was not great. But let's hope a new star is born eg: Morgan,Yesil or Ngoo as well as sterling.

We are fine in defence and midfield. But let's face it we have bought strikers down the years. Ngog,Baros, Babel and let's face none have really come off so let's get behind our club.

We can't do anything about transfers it has gone now.

Mighty reds

I think what the team needs right now is the fans to be totally focused on getting behind them. Let's make it electrifying not a demonstration

Why would you want such a thing. If anything, that will bring us back to where we were when our club was about to go into administration about 2 years ago. I still believe in the owners, although, I still think that Ayre should go back to being our commercial director and bring in someone else. It isn't the end of the world and fcus on the positives like the youth will get a lot more chances to prove themselves.

FSG didnt do anything wrong. That Ayre clown messed up big time. So what if he loves the club? He is not smart enough, get rid.
Indian Buzzer

I understand the call for Ayre out banners but the Yanks out banners you're having a laugh aren't you?? FSG are trying to make us self sufficient and not forever in debt and I for one am happy with them running the club

I'd like to see whoever wrote the above to go support man city or chelsea where it's easy to spend other peoples money.....

Huws

Grow up for gods sake. We cant just march and shout owners out because we failed to get a player, in five years time it will be vitally important that the club is self sufficient, measures are being taken now to do that, or do you want to be going to rochdale to watch the team. Wake up and behave yourself

Why? Because the original poster raises a valid perspective from the majority of the fans? FSG salvaged Liverpool from the brink of the abyss granted, but they are out of their league!!

Bitter and Blue, give it a break fool

Person sums you up

Total nonsense, better if you stay in with mam and play on your x box

I hope you don't get near Liverpool.

Ash

Yawn!!!!

Lyndon

Not the way forward chappie

I think with the response the MAJORITY is against the original posters perspective.

Listen to Citizen Smith!
Up the Revolution.

Grow up man your mummy will be short
of bed sheets and your red crayons!

Lyndon

02 Sep 2012 08:54:24
getting one over on mr venger today with say a nice little 2-0 win, followed by a good football playing away win, will suddenly make BR the greatest manager ever-all this silly drivel on who we have not bought and why will all be forgotton

02 Sep 2012 08:22:26
Liverppol,s problem stemmed from the silly £35m fee paid for AC in the first place. saving face in selling willnever happen as no-one will pay a face saving fee

And possibly getting £50 million for Torres, because allegedly that's the only reason we paid so much for AC.

John B

Which then become's Torres's fault for being such a good player (although not in the last 2 years or so for us and chelsea). And then it becomes Rafa's for bringing him in and then Atletico's for producing such a player. So instead of rambling on about the past how about we all focus on the future and prove all the doubters wrong.

Liverpool's problems stemmed from the fact that certain players have not performed to expectations...regardless of transfer fees or ability.

DaveyBootle

Expecting £50m for Torres is easy to justify with his proven record / years at the top, £35m for Mr Carroll, with one good season a few goals at then a bottom of league team was madness. even worse, i get the impression that had Newcastle asked for £40m, liverpool would have paid it

Right on both cases, I would say that this is the cost thats being payed for now. People just need patience. We've just had one of the best transfer windows in a while and all the hype and talk is about a player we DIDN'T sign. what is wrong with people? Try supporting the players you have, not the players that didn't come.....

On a side note, I also take it none of you Clint Dempsey fans have seen his comments regarding Spurs and his "Dream move" ???

Huws

Huws

02 Sep 2012 08:18:46
Come on the Gunners ! Show Liverpool and their dopey administration the real passing game. {Ed063's Note - We'll see}

We like to score at the end of our flowing, passing moves.... And before you all say 'but we didn't buy a striker (sob...)' Borini, Suarez, sterling, Gerrard, Allen, Morgan....etc etc etc. There's goals in this team, trust Rodgers to unlock them.
So, in short, the gunners can do one, 2-0 Liverpool today.

The captain {Ed063's Note - I agree}

Why u adressing gunners in the liverpool page?are u tryin to wind us up cause its not working.

Unfortunately for you,the Gunners wont be playing against our administration team, Brendan has decided to play with the LFC footballers instead.

Tel 1949

A gooner calling our admin dopey? Ha! That's a good one!
When will the Man City feeder club learn how to extend contracts?

Redjinal

Shut up you muppet,your a selling club deal with it.were going too stuff you today.jay essex red for life red till dead

Come on the red men!!

Why,why,why do persons from other teams come on our site oh yeah that's right they no who who we are and what we stand for. It must really bother them that we are on a turnaround and they no its gonna come great again for us.

I would trust Rogers if he knew the difference between his head and his ar$e in the transfer market. He's a great coach yes but a manager?? I've yet to see proof at Watford or elsewhere

Ok, I take issue with the Rodgers 'head from his arse in the transfer market' line. I give you Joe Allen, Nuri Sahin, Assaidi, Borini, Yesil. All better than what we had, all hungry players desperate to play well and improve. All proud to wear the shirt. We have also shipped out fringe players and players who never deserved to wear the famous red shirt. So please, remove your head from your arse and support the team, stop jumping on the tabloid bandwagon and slating the manager.

The captain

02 Sep 2012 08:15:24
Im gonna stick my neck out here, if reports are true and we had a 7m offer rejected then villa had a 5m offer accepted I wouldn't have paid any more either purely out of principle, but I wouldn't have put all my eggs in one basket either and would have moved on to another target.

I would offer drogba a year contract, who cares what wages he would demand we've just freed up 480k a week, he is a proven prem striker who will get goals if played, more than Dempsey would IMO.

We need someone who can keep us in the chase for 4th till jan when we hopefully can strengthen, by all means use Morgan in cups to gain experience but we need a proven player who will guarantee goals and for me drogba is a good shout.

If he would take 100k then fine

Doubt drogba would come to us to be honest with his chelsea links esp given he would expect to start every game. Dunno personally if BR would fancy it but Im not him lol. Mite be worth testing the waters tho he would know him pretty well I guess, Simonpw

I think the idea was to reduce the wage bill for good, not to reduce it just so an expensive Chelsea pensioner can be brought in, then it's back to square one!

If you are saying we offered £7 million for Dempsey, then according to Fulham, ( who have no reason to lie, and hasn't been denied by Liverpool ) we offered only a derisory £3 million, after Villa had a £6.2 million offer accepted.
Bit of an insult really, and a good reason for Ayres to resign, after BR has given him a good kicking for causing him to lose a player he wanted, and the embarrassment it has caused hi.

02 Sep 2012 08:15:02
I've conducted a review of out team and although it would've been great to get a striker in i think we can manage till january

Our best starting eleven

Reina,johnson, agger, skertl,enrique allen, lucas, Sahin and gerrard, sterling, suarez, as forwards (this team can kick any teams ass )

2nd starting eleven

Doni kelly coates carra robinson shelvey henderson joe cole downing bornini assaidi ( a decent starting eleven aswell).

to make up the squad of 25. Jones, Pacecho and morgan

I think we are in decent shape to hold out till Jan

True Red

Lucas is out injured

Any set of players with a determination to keep the ball, rather than keep giving it away will do. as bill shankly said, if we have the ball-they can't score

You have not been thorough enough. When conducting a review (get you!) research needs to be done.

Firstly, homegrown players under 23 don't count towards your 25 man squad. Secondly, Lucas has another long term injury. Thirdly, several players in your lineups are as yet unproven, they could be world beaters, they could be Neil Mellor!

Your 2nd 11 has 5 decent players in it, yanks have no money, window has us as a laughing stock, Carrol started the season as he finished it for us! I've followed the reds since 1971 and this is as bad Hicks & Gillet, What happened to BR - I'd be nuts to let Andy go? He has miss handled the AC case from day one - On the players side things can only get better!

This is the second time in as many days Ive read of someone disrespecting a former red who scored during the 2005 champions leauge campaign,are you just too young to remember that without his goal we would of went out against olympiakos?have a bit of respect!

02 Sep 2012 08:13:25
Hey Ed's great site just wondered if you could tell me why suso isn't getting a look in thanks Tom {Ed063's Note - He's just moved on loan to get some game time}

Pretty sure he hasn't ed. he said he wasn't going to genk and that he was staying {Ed063's Note - I thought he had moved}

No he didn't go to genk ,but when asked if he was playing against hearts he did say he was out for the next 2 games but didn't say why

02 Sep 2012 08:09:45
for those throwing the baby out with the sink and bath water, read the following article and try to take a chill pill... Fulham (small-time club) was trying to bitch slap us for past indiscretions right in front of the entire league, by charging us more... even if its only £1 million more, we will not be hustled by clubs the likes of fulham.... we had to refuse that price for dempsey on principle and im glad we did

FFS we insulted and disrespected them and Dempsey by allegedly only offering £3 million for him. Less than half of what Villa offered and Spurs paid.

You don't know what we did or did not bid, all guesswork so pretty pointless arguing when neither of you were in the midst of negotiations, dempsey now plays for spurs, of which i am certain so get over it

But we didn't insult them. We gave an offer based on our valuation of the player (I dont know what the offer was, lots of contradictory reports). Fulham didn't accept, he went elsewhere. Simple. Maybe we didnt want him as much as everyone thought we did.

02 Sep 2012 07:45:11
OK so we didn't get anyone on deadline day, its hardly the end of the world.
We kept all of our core players inc Agger. We got 5 new players who greatly improve the squad.
Reina, johnson,skrtel,agger,enrique,allen,gerard,sahin,sterling,suarez,borini subs jones, coates,kelly,downing,shelvey,henderson,assaidi. I think we can only have 7 subs,please feel free to correct me if Im wrong. Barring injuries that would be my selection. Cover players would be morgan,carragher,robinson,yesil(who just might turn out to be a star),suso,wisdom,wilson,cole etc and not forgetting there's also Lucas to come back also. I feel we will be well covered in all areas. We have a squad who will score from all areas this year and BR has players who can play in multiple positions around the pitch. To be honest I'm very excited not only for todays match but for the season. January's not too far away and if we need we need to strengthen either to improve or in my opinion to push on we can. So enough of the doom and gloom, lynch mobs and constant hatred and critism. Let's get behind the Club,Manager and team and kick some premier ass. Isn't that what fans are supposed to do. Roll out the red carpet our boys are in town. YNWA Simonpw

The doom and gloom is because we have needed a class CF since Torres left...

02 Sep 2012 07:37:23
Don't get all this talk of plan B. I like his music but don't believe he would be any good as a back up striker. Does he even play football?

But he 'might' be available. It doesn't matter if he can play or not. Look at some of the others name mentioned eg. Michael Owen! You know, the race horse owner who used to play years ago.
Personally, I'd take Plan B; his voice isn't annoying like Owen's.
Rigsby.

02 Sep 2012 07:35:53
Negativity will get us nowhere. The window has closed, the financial repair was necessary after a season of horrible spending. We are not Man City... And let me also say something more: despite my desire to take Dempsey on board I was extremely p****d off to hear that Fulham was actually asking more from us than other teams. Even if we made mistakes in negotiations I firmly believe that a very important part of repairing the finances of wrong buys is repairing the image of a club paying excessively for mediocre players . Let's get behind the Reds!

Dempsey is not mediocre, n is definitely worth more than 5 million. Our offer was a disgrace. We wasted 35 million for a striker who was never gonna fit into our system, yet could not stump up 5 million for a quality player. Thats why most liverpool fans r pissed off.
Indian Buzzer

02 Sep 2012 07:29:03
Forget worrying about where goals will come from without another striker. We will play a more attacking style of football this year under BR which will create more chances for Suarez, Borini, Sterling and Assaidi with Morgan gaining valuable experience too.
With a better midfield this year the chances at goal should be created in better areas for finishing and don't forget that Gerrard will also play further forward this year and should melt the net a few times.
I am still optimistic for a good season. In 5 months we can re-access where we are at.

Levans

02 Sep 2012 07:05:07
Today, I am going to sit and watch the match, Watch the clock as the minutes go by so slowly waiting for kick off, forgetting about who has gone and who has come in, how much money the owners have. Talking to people about what they think of the match. Forgetting my own problems, the excitement as the clock hits 2 seeing looking at team sheet. Talking amongst others again what the score will be. 3 O clock comes and the butterflies hit you in the stomach as the ref blows his whistle for kick off. The excitement of the first half and when the whistle blows for half time going for a drink. talking to others around you about what has just happened. Rushing back for the second half, screaming for Liverpool to score as it kicks off again. Final whistle blows - Win, Draw or Lose emotions run high and then the night draws in and you get excited for the next game. That is why I love football, not for money or new players but for a love of the game. We all as one for 90 minutes unite forgetting any problem we may have. Supporting LFC till the day I die. Returning to home after death in Anfield heaven.

Super Like!

Fantastic post....

Peeps

It kicks off at 1:30?

Agree with your sentiments mate but just a quick heads up. If you're taking your seat checking the team sheet at 2 o'clock you'll have missed most of the 1st half. Kick off is 1:30pm.

Paul, Staffs.

You are going to miss the game mate, it kicks off at 1:30, not 3:00!

The kick off's at 1:30 :P
Brilliant post though.

OMG yeah, thank you all! I did check my ticket before I re read this but thank you!

02 Sep 2012 07:01:17
ok guys lets all take a chill pill like all of you i sat by the tv waiting for that big signing and like all of you was gutted when it did not happen.
nobody will know what went on behind closed doors and why we lost are targets so we just have to except we got nobody in the end.
one person that we must not blame is brendan rogers he gave a list of targets and lowered the wage bill to get them in there is no more he can do and although he will im sure today be very diplomatic in front the camera will be as angry as us.

02 Sep 2012 06:44:34
With morgan looking like he will get some game time this season i think he should be played as the central striker. Had alot of energy against hearts but showed with the goal that was ruled out he will be in the right place at the right time like all natural goal scorers are

02 Sep 2012 06:49:28
Great to see fellow Reds supporter Ellie Simmonds win Gold at the Paralympics. What a star and lifted the gloom following all the negativity on transfers.
Midsred

Puts it all into perspective doesn't it mate.

KJS

02 Sep 2012 06:08:33
Although we may not have signed anyone at the transfer deadline, we can use our youngseters and let them ahve a chance to impress. Who knows? They could even have a spot next season and Rodgers doesn't need to sign players but use our own academy players. I may be disappointment, but let's be optimistic, maybe its destined for our academy players to have a spot in the team this season. {Ed063's Note - Thats exactly my opinion mate, give the kids a chance}

I totally agree. And when our youngsters are the stars of the future we will be able to sit back with satisfaction knowing we didn't spends billions manufacturing a team of greedy primadonnas who believe they are more important than the team.

KJS

Its good and well to give youngsters a chance, but not for a big game like this. Yes Sterling was superb against City but not all will have the same desired effect, so give them time it will all eventually fall into place. Pardon the cliche but Rome wasnt built in a day.
Riedwaan SA

02 Sep 2012 05:42:49
Ed I am quite cynical about certain things, and was wondering do you think both FSG and BR knew they wasn't getting anyone else or or do you think BR was duped by the owners and Ayre?

Midland red {Ed063's Note - I personally think Ayre played with fire and got burnt over the Dempsey deal, haggling over a couple of mil on deadline day when we didnt have a back up option was poor business by him. Im sure Rodgers will not be happy but it is simply a great chance for Morgan to shine}

So do you believe ed that both Morgan and Yemil will feature much this season?

And also do you know what the stumbling block was on Damaio transfer?

Midland red
Thanks for the good work you guys and gals put into this site {Ed063's Note - I believe Morgan will for sure, not too sure whether Yesil will though. Although he does have a very big reputation in Europe as a kid to look out for}

Yesil is ten times the player Morgan is, to be a star in a young German National side is one hell of a CV. I can't understand why we've let our best young player leave the club on loan though, Suso is the one that should have been getting a chance at Melwood.

John B {Ed063's Note - We have plenty of midfielders though, so a loan move is good for him. A chance to get first team football}

02 Sep 2012 04:25:09
hey ed is there any clause that liverpool can bring back andy carroll on emergency if someone gets injured? {Ed063's Note - No}

02 Sep 2012 04:03:15
Hearing a lot of ridiculous big talk about Morgan and Yesil Liverpool should be looking at free agents as these two won't score more than 5 goals thus writing off our season. Getting someone in January will be tough too. {Ed063's Note - Why not trust in the youth? Sterling has been given a chance and he took it, if your good enough your old enough and Morgan is good enough as third choice striker atm}

Rafa had Ngog as 2nd choice striker.
CQ

But Rafa also had a free-scoring Torres as first choice striker! Our problem is not our second or third choice strikers...it is that our first choice striker quite often can only score a goal if the chance is extremely difficult as all simple chances are guaranteed to hit the post or crossbar ;)

Let me put it into perspective, suarez last 2 games has scored 2 goals. that seems like a pretty good ratio to me. If he continued like that for the season that would be a bucketful of goals lol simonpw

02 Sep 2012 03:57:05
just want to thank the eds. {Ed063's Note - We appreciate it}

02 Sep 2012 03:27:39
I am probably one of the only people happy with the transfer dealings. I have heard we had a net spend of 16 mill and our wage bill for the upcoming year slashed by 13 mill. Dont forget massive contracts given to Suarez and Skertl and soon to be Agger.

Lets face it they backed us to the hilt last year. Kenny and Damo bought badly.

We are now in the financial fair play system although the rest will be there in 2014 John Henry has said he wants the club to be self sufficient (live off your own profits) from now and with our wage bill all profits were being drained by donkeys or aging squad players.

The 1st 11 is still one of the best in the league on paper and we have alot of quality youngsters really hungry to get in the team. Well done Liverpool FC.

REINA
JOHNSON SKERTL AGGER ENRIQUE
SAHIN ALLEN
GERRARD
SUAREZ BORINI ASSIIDI

JONES
ROBBO
FLANNO
KELLY
COATES
CARRA
SHELV
STERLING
MORGAN

Backing us in one transfer window is not enough - we have ambitions for Champions league and, eventually, winning the league. If they don't want to spend money then those ambitions will be nothing but fantasy, this transfer window was nowhere near good enough, and everyone can see it. The owners have a lot to answer for - I hope the youth gets given a chance and doesn't get too much pressure thrust upon their shoulders - we need to protect our younger players after all.

SMc {Ed063's Note - We cannot operate as a champions league club without champions league football - it isnt good business}

I think you had better look more closely at our rivals first 11's and take those red tinted glasses off. Spurs have spent 60 mill plus - so have Chelsea - Man Utd first 11 is a lot better. City is a lot better. Everton look good - Newcastle strong - aresnal have spent a fortune. I can't agree here my friend - we will do well to get top 6.

At the end of last season, the problem was glaringly obvious - goals. We needed a proven goalscorer - we didn't get one.

I personally think this will cost Rodgers dearly.

Gazman

I feel our defensive line and midfield is better the most teams.its strong enough for a top four team definitely.

Gazman our rivals have spent big you are right but all of them with the exception of Spurs have failed to address their biggest problems from last year!

Utd have spent big on forwards but failed to get the creative midfeilder they have craved for the last 2 years. They also have injury prone CD's all of them have had major injuries in the last year.

City didn't get the strikers they wanted and ate reliant on 2 strikers who they where looking to sell. Their defense is looking leaky as well, they wanted a CB and didnt sign one.

Arsenal, RVP was their "difference" last season, they haven't replaced those goals.

Chelsea, relying on a free scoring midfeilder unless Torres scores the goals Droba did, central defence is suspect.

02 Sep 2012 03:19:33
I'm sure all of you moaners will be singing different song tomorrow when we beat arsenal 3-1, unfortunately there will be another blonder from reina.

I think that's the only guarantee at the moment - if any opposition have a shot on target, there's a fair chance it'll cross the line.

John B

02 Sep 2012 02:56:10
eds plz post this
guys look at this on the bright side, now for the january transfer window which is in 5 month we will buy many players which are good and honestly i don't think our squad is that bad
reina
johnson/kelly agger skrtel enrique/downing
allen
sahin gerrard
sterling suarez
borini
i think the only thing we need is probably a better striker and a better left-back

02 Sep 2012 02:53:24
Rogers maybe now has a hint of what Rafa felt like for 5 years ! We need to come out and support the manager and players now more than ever ...but i'm afraid this is the end of the honeymoon for FSG .
If it's Ayre's fault , why couldn't they just appoint a top top MD to run the club as it should be -ie PROPERLY -
esp since they are outsiders to football ?
I mean ...it ain't rocket science is it ?

Not calling for them to go ....yet ... just that for me we've given them chances and they just don't seem to get it !

RedbutWorried

02 Sep 2012 02:37:54
Here's my own opinion for what it's worth .
The key cock up for me was not(apparently) refusing to
pay over the odds for Dempsey ...i can get that and it's kinda positive that at last we won't be pushed around in deals . IF ...that's what happened , BUT the big thing was why they didn't have a plan B - it was always a risk esp with Fulham's back up .
Hell we could see that so why not LFC ?
Rogers said repeatedly he had targets ( and i believe him ) so what happened with them ?
we were all led to believe the money was being freed up from the outgoings - it was imperitive we sign at LEAST one out and out goalscorer .
Facts - last year we had 4 forwards ...5 if you count the goals chipped in by Maxi .
We now have only Suarez & Borini ....hopefully Morgan will get a chance and that might be the only positive out of what was an utter ba**'s up !
Up until then it had been looking a decent window ....keep everything crossed people , i think it's gonna be a bumpy ride .

Oh and one bit of advice to FSG - you do REALLY REALLY need to come out and explain this 'cos it's gonna fester ...every game we continue to miss chances and points are dropped !

Not only that- why was Melwood shut down early? Should it not have been all hands on deck scrambling to find someone, anyone to come in? I find it hard to believe there is no player in the whole world for under 5M we might have had a shot out that would at least improve the bench?

It wasn't a case of not being pushed around - we insulted Fulham and Clint Dempsey by offering only £3 million, when earlier in the day Villa had offered £6.2 million.

John B

"Scrambling for players" in the last couple of hours would have seen average players brought in! Next year with FFP were gonna have the money we saved as well as the Transfer budget! Our rivals all spent big, no matter how much money they have they will have sell players to buy with no guarantee the player will give up the fantastic wages they were given to tempt them in the first place. CL is important in recruiting top players, but a the large transfer budget we will have amassed for next season will make us competitive when it comes to the transfer market.

02 Sep 2012 02:16:30
The arsenal game, i will be glad to see glen johnson back at rb, but at lb the choice between enrique or downing is a tricky one, its like the marcelo coentrau situation at madrid marcelo is better getting forward but coentrau is the better defender, in our case enrique is the better defender but downing will be a much bigger threat going forward, i personaly would rather have downing, at home we should be pushing for the win and i think we should be using the full backs to press up the pitch and get more men in the box, but then again arsenal will always be a threat should we have enrique to cope better from an arsenal atttack, and the big question of why isnt borini being used down the middle in his prefered role, i think he will convert more chances than suarez aswell as i think suarez in the wider positions can creat more than borini, your thoughts? Great site, cant wait for january to bring in the striker we need now, and do you think allen should play the lucas role tomorow with sahin then fitting in midfield along side gerrard or stay loyal too shelvey? Or maybe even play henderson?

Enrique will start.

Agreed completely- Borini central, Suarez right, Sterling left (maybe Assaidi, just not sure where he is at relative to Raheem).

02 Sep 2012 01:41:01
any chance of bable to give us a bit more striking options?? YNWA {Ed063's Note - He's gone to Ajax}

02 Sep 2012 00:58:52
Ok, here's a red herring...

What about Harry Kewell? Agreed, he's not exactly in his Leeds form, but he now plays as a striker for Australia and has been very successful in that role.

He's without a club at the moment and desperate to move back to the UK for family reasons. Since returning to Australia for several ops, he's much less injured these days. I don't think LFC's sports medicine were that good when he played - look how often Gerrard and Agger got injured! Hence why they were subsequently sacked.

Desperate times call for desperate measures!

AussieLFC {Ed063's Note - Far too injured. Why not play Morgan? A lot of potential and will give his all for the team, time for these talented youngsters to get a chance}

Interesting point Ed063.

In AFL, they always choose youth over old stars, so I would like LFC to do this. However, EPL clubs don't like to take the same gamble. I suppose it's a bit different when you've got relegation and no salary cap.

Will be an interesting season... :)

AussieLFC

02 Sep 2012 00:25:53
Hi eds, great work dealing with all the lies on this site and giving your view on everything and your great work.

Im just wondering how are drogba and anelka free agents considering they only went to China, did they sign short term or what? Thanks and i hope to get a reply.

DWire {Ed063's Note - Cheers mate. I'm not sure whats going on with those two, I've heard they were released due to a rift in the boardroom meaning they cannot pay their wages. However I have seen a conflicting story saying they have not been released, best to wait and see I guess}

01 Sep 2012 23:43:44
just wondering what the eds and everyone elses opinions of downing at left back, do you think he will start over enrique and who do you think is better?(: {Ed063's Note - I like the idea of Downing at left back personally, although I don't expect him to start there against Arsenal}

I dont like the idea, I prefer Robo as our backup left back, not a winger who failed in his own position.

Sj {Ed063's Note - Fair enough}

01 Sep 2012 23:23:39
hi eds
is sahin available vs arsenal
cheers {Ed063's Note - He is available}

01 Sep 2012 23:22:49
Just want to ask the eds a question re Carroll. Do U think that's it for Carroll with us now or do U think if he has a good season with west ham Brendan Rodgers will change his mind and give him a chance would love to know what U think cheers.

Mat lfc {Ed063's Note - No mate, Andy's gone. He is an excellent player but simply hasn't and won't fit into our style of play. It's better for everyone involved that he's moved on and I hope he succeeds at West Ham}

Shame really like U said he's a fantastic player. Cheers anyway

Mat lfc

02 Sep 2012 00:33:54
Have heard a rumour that Owen joins on pay as you play, obviously with bonuses... The only reason he didn't come back before was because we didn't want him. He is not a Judas, he's a legend. People should remember that without him 10 years ago we'd have been as average then as we are now! The lad is a red through and through, regardless of any shirt has has worn inbetween. x

He's had his day it's time to move on
he should stick to his horses

Red as in the at Man U??

02 Sep 2012 00:16:01
I fear the worst for you Eds today if we lose, the amount of negativity on here will be beyond belief to edit. {Ed007's Note - It will be fine, they have drafted me in to make sure things run smoothly.}

02 Sep 2012 00:20:48
great work ed's heard owen may sign pay as u play he gotta lot of making up to do but needs must i suppose if he scores goals fans will soon forgive

02 Sep 2012 00:16:30
Hi All,

Was wondering, apart from the obvious Owen, Drogba and Anelka, is anyone aware of many other decent players around europe that might be out of contract at the minute?

I know that BR & FSG prefer younger players that might be easier to mould into their methods but surely now that we are a bit threadbare for 4 competitions and with CL qualification looking slightly harder now (although not impossible if we get lucky with no injuries before the next window and stay close enough to the top 4) they must be considering some experienced players on short term contracts.

I have found a couple of sites that listed players for each PL club that were due to be free agents at the end of last season (such as james mcfadden) but cant really find anything up to date.

Any info would be much appreciated, also cheers eds for trying your best to answer all queries, no matter how repetitive it got, and also for keeping us up to date with whatever info you have.

Cheers
Barrypool

Drog going back to China. China leauge has 2 weeks break. Sorry Guys lets ask Rush to help us out, we have no choice. Hope we can hold best players after Jan market

HESKEY!!!!!

01 Sep 2012 23:57:20
Australian sports administrator Gillon Mclachlan snubbed the chance to join Liverpool as the English club's chief executive, according to western Australian newspaper The Sunday Times,

Liverpool currently have Ian Ayre's as the club's managing director, a post to which he was appointed on 22nd March last year.

Tom Werner is believed to be very disappointed with Ian Ayre's perform as managing director since his appointment.

The latest transfer window disappointment involving the none-capture of Clint Dempsey is the last straw for Tom Werner who realises someone has to be blamed for the disappointment of not signing anyone on the last day of the transfer window, leaving the squad very light on the ground.

McLachlan, who serves as the Australian football League's chief operating officer, has seen his reputation as an administrator grow of late and word of this appears to have reached Liverpool, who offered him a key role earlier this year.

However, the AFL COO turned down the chance to move to Anfield to work for Liverpool's emperor Tom Werner, as he is settled with his young family in Melbourne and has no plans to uproot them, even for such an attractive post.

McLachian decided not to work with Tom Wearner, a man who has very limited knowledge of football.

Since McLachian turned down Liverpool's overtures, Australia's National Rugby League has come calling for the number two man in the AFL structure.

The revelation that he could have landed in England may suggest that Liverpool's dictator Tom Wearner, are still looking to make changes to the club's internal structure as they seek to transform the Reds into an off the pitch money-making machine in America,

It is not known what McLachlan's exact remit would have been however Liverpool would need alot of work.

The Australian administrator Gillon Mclachlan will not be joining Liverpool and their shambles of a management team lead by current chairman Tom Werner.

02 Sep 2012 00:15:34
Ian Ayre and Fenway - We can't wait to see your PR spin on his debacle. The only people who can be happy with how Ian Ayre and Fenway are running Liverpool FC are, sadly, persons. Ultimately, you know what, it's all ok because that 'Fat Spanish bloke' who Ayre voted out is gone. The two Scottish guys where forced out byTom Werner, What did they know about football compare to these Ian Ayres and Americans?

By Ian Ayre the most unpopular scouser in Liverpool since Wayne Rooney

01 Sep 2012 23:57:03
16 Jul 2012 17:26:42
I am told that Carroll will more than likely end up at West Ham. He doesn't want to go but BR simply doesn't want him at LFC

Aintree Red

Just to remind people that I reported Carroll to west ham 6 weeks ago. And I posted nothing on deadline day so I was right there too.

Aintree red {Ed007's Note - Nobody likes a smart ar$e ;-)

Well played, Ed007 ;)

LA

A pity Liverpool don't have a smart ar$e working for them instead of a bunch of numpties.

01 Sep 2012 23:49:03
After yesterday's disappointment, I have a much more positive outlook on the situation the club is in. TBH there are ways to cope with our lack of depth up front.

1. Steven Gerrard could move up the park and play a more advanced role. He hasn't been that good in the first matches because he tried to force the play.

2. The kids are going to get a chance. Sterling, Suso, Morgan, Yesil and whoever else is brave enough will get a chance. Never forget the job they did at the back when needed. Robinson, Flanagan and Kelly all delivered when called upon. It's time for the forwards to do the same.

3. Suarez and Borini have to step up. They are the top dogs and have to deliver. It is as simple as that.

4. The midfielders have to score goals. Look at last year's table. There were many teams that outscored us without having just one guy get the bulk of the goals. If guys like Shelvey and Henderson (I finally saw him play with guts against Hearts), Assaidi, Downing, Sahin and Allen can get a goal here and there, we might reach January in decent shape.

5. The defenders have to be mean as dogs. When I see guys like Olsson, Shawcross and company (!) just take liberties with our forwards I feel our defenders are too nice. I do not condone hurting people, but make them uncomfortable. And if they can score a goal or two it'd be appreciated.

6. Reina has to stop messing around. It's been TWO years Pep! Get back to your old self, mate.

7. Rodgers has to be the most inventive manager out there.

I know it's a lot, but every season we expect the world. Notice that the world is not on my list.

Canadian Fan

I applaud you and your optimism, Canadian Fan! No deadline day signings? Big deal! We did our business with time to spare and I'm partly happy with that.

LA

01 Sep 2012 23:48:05
Ok people, yesterday was painful for all of us but now the dust has settled I'm assuming the majority of us have calmed down?
Yes the owners has let us down this once, perhaps it was a mistake perhaps not we will never know. If they rectify the mess in January that would be brilliant but if they don't why can't we manage? So we only have 2 real experienced strikers in Suarez and borini, but we have a lot of young talent and if sterling can step up an make such a heroic impact why can't the others.
Worst case scenario we get a couple of injuries up front and we play the youth or we just Change the formation.
Anything is possible after what we witnessed in Istanbul 2005 why are we all so quick to doubt our capabilities?
If we are all disappointed with deadline day imagine how bad the lads in the squad feel? The last thing they need to hear right now are the fans booing and moaning or even worse sitting in silence at the games. We have all seen the difference in play when anfield is rocking compared to when it's dead surely that is enough reason to shout until it hurts!

If your kids where having a bad season or what ever reason with their Sunday league teams you would still cheer them on no matter what, why is it do different with Liverpool.

Remember we don't have a stadium, we have a cathedral!
We don't have a past we have a glittering history!
We don't have a squad we have a tight knit team that would crawl through fire for you praise and support!
And lastly we don't have regular fans we have a huge red family that can raise the roof off any stadium when ever they wish and scare the life out of any team at the same time.

This season the lads need us more than ever lets get behind them!!

Ashy
YNWA

01 Sep 2012 23:40:15
Just a few points, is everyone forgetting that we did buy players? Does everyone think dempsey is that good or were people so desperate to see a signing they would of took anyone? Did you see us outplay city last wknd, only BR's 3rd competitive game in charge? How does anyone know the owners won't cough up? Maybe the club didn't feel dempsey was worth 6mill, simple as that. Oh and Sahin, awesone player. real class act. have a littl faith....

dave 82