Liverpool Banter Archive November 02 2014

 

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02 Nov 2014 21:23:44
The whole transfer committee should be axed. Get a real director of football in to cover the role of the transfer committee. Someone with experience who actually realises that replacing the 3rd best player in the world with a world class player is a must. If you have 100 million pounds to spend there is no reason whatsoever to not buy at least ONE world class player. We finished 2nd, we were in Europe, had plenty of money to offer clubs, could offer plenty of wages considering 100+ Reina and Suarez were off, why wouldn't a recognised world class player not sign for us? Bad committee, I blame them for this mess.

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02 Nov 2014 23:28:31
Can't agree more Eusebio. This week results are very depressing considering the game we have next weekend, there is big risk we'll be mid table . and the last few times we were mid table after 11 games the best we managed to finish is 7th. not being in the champions league next season can have very serious consequences

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Spot on, Eusebio! I`ve never heard of a transfer committee in my life until this season at LFC. Suddenly, we really don`t know who to blame for these dealings which is why a DOF is needed ASAP because from the outside, this is a total mess.

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03 Nov 2014 09:32:47
Liverpool's 'transfer committee' for many years was the boot room.

Informal conversations between knowledgeable football mates with the final decision given to the manager.

All these new terminologies only relate to the principle of the boot room.

They trusted each other and it worked.

Old fashioned, yes, but on principle it's the fundamentals of managing the game.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but it is not the same thing. The boot room merely discussed the options, but it was one man making the decision. Committees do not have one person taking charge, by their very nature, and that is why they never make the right choice.}

Anyone know what Christian Nerlinger is up to nowadays? Get him in for DoF! Fantasy of course.

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Hence Ed01, the reason why the commitee should be dumped prob along with the genius who came up w/ that dreadful idea. Get a DOf in, revamp the scouting and coaching staff and get people in who can run the business side of things and allow the coach to focus on coaching because obviously, he has issues multitasking.

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02 Nov 2014 20:11:13
Ed if the poor results and form continue how long has Rodgers got left do you think before the owners make a change?? LMC

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained my expectations.}

What is depressing is that we are 14pts after 10 games, utd were 17pts after 10 last year. Form needs to improve fast.

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The owners will not put up with mismanagement. They're very serious moneymakers. If an employee, one with a lot of responsibility isn't working to the rate that we want, they get removed from their position. It's like that with any job, right? Just because a manager worked well in one financial year doesn't mean he has a pass on the next one. If results aren't meeting expectations and the employee is too stubborn to change the method because it's "the one that worked at my old job" then he definitely should be removed.

John Henry will do the right thing and replace Brendan if results don't sharpen up and I have very little faith that they will.

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02 Nov 2014 23:00:51
What is depressing
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What is more depressing , its very possible after next weekend; United, spurs and Everton may very well go above us in the table

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02 Nov 2014 19:44:43
Eds, do you think the players are fully behind Rodgers?

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{Ed002's Note - No idea.}

02 Nov 2014 19:19:38
Love coming on here and reading you lot calling for Rodgers to be sacked. At the end of last season he was a god, 8 games into the new season and you want rid. I'll tell you where I think your fundamental mistakes have happen.

1) letting Suarez leave. I know people say you can't hold into players etc, but the reality of it is, you got him penned down to a new long term contract on big money, and Liverpool should of put their foot down and said nope your staying here simple as that. Maybe told him if he wins you the league he can go. When a club loses they main goal scorer, a 30 odd goal a year striker, 8-10 of them are usually pens, where for you Gerrard is the taker. So loosing Suarez you were actually losing 35 ish open play goals, almost like losing two players. He also fightened defences so much they heavily marked him, causing defences to be pulled out of shape and allowing space for the likes of sterling to run into. This year it's not happening

2) once again you have spent £100m on 7 or 8 average players, rather than going out and getting 2 world class players . I thought that's what champs league was going to allow you to do? Sign the world class players you've been missing ? Spurs showed when they sold vale it doesn't improve you. Look at Sanchez at arsenal, £30m. Tony Kroos to Madrid £20m. Players that can win a game on their own with their quality. You don't see Madrid buying 6/7 players every year. They sign 1 or 2 worldies . That's where you've gone wrong.

3) don't even get me started on your keeper. Very shaky. (Should of gone for begovic or krul.

Is lovren an upgrade on Agger?
Caan on Lucas?
Balo or lamb on Suarez?

I dnt think you've improved Infact I think you've gone backwards.

Anyhow, on us, when we sign a couple of CB in jan and so the summer and hopefully a cdm we need badly, along with a world class keeper in de gea, di Maria, falcao, rvp and Rooney in attack, well be back where we belong in a year or two. 4th is vital this year tho!

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To be fair, we didn't have much choice but to let him leave. We already forced him to stay once, god knows how long he would have been banned for the next time.

I don't think you'll see much argument from anyone on our transfers. Poor is being polite.

We tried to get Begovic first, didn't work unfortunately.

Credit to you lot, thought you put up a good fight even down a man. I actually like seeing you be forced to use kids a bit and in fairness they've been overall pretty solid. Personally I think it might be worthwhile to stick with them rather than buying high priced mercenaries. Wish we would use or own more ourselves.

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02 Nov 2014 20:52:30
Stand utd you have to be realistic when you talk about signings kroos he would never have come to liverpool not only could we not pay his wages but real Madrid wanted him so when people slate liverpool for their transfer dealings without knowing the facts it is very annoying, imo we made some decent signings in time we will see this, we spent net about 40m and remember the big tv deal and Suarez money funded this. through the club being badly run for years of the pitch we can not compete with utd, Chelsea, city even ARSENAL through location so we r trying to get players with massive potential markovic for eg and if you want to come on here and slate players for being poor there is a few utd players not doing too well but you wouldn't notice that as your prob too busy getting your prawn sandwiches

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I don't necessarily wants Brendan booted out but i do expect him to do better than.what has been served up so far this season. If he doesn't then i think he knows what to expect.

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I think the fans (at least in the stadium, maybe less here) are much more patient with BR than you were with Moyce (which appernatly, last year this time, with a much weaker squad, had more points than Van Gual has now). I can promise you no LFC fan will send an airplain to the sky with a banner calling to suck BR. The frustration with him is because we look so poor in all departments and don't improve at all. You cannot keep a manager that doesn't know how to fix the huge problems we have because he won 2nd place with one of the more prolific strikers in the world.

We couldn't keep Suarez, exactly like you coouldn't keep Ronaldo at the end and Arsenal couldn't keep RVP. That is the reality of life, you cannot keep someone against his will.

You are extremely lucky to be so close to the top 4 with your poor form (as do us). In a normal year the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, us maybe even Everton (though they always start slow) would hav had 8-10 points on you.

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RVP is finished, Rooney finished two seasons ago and Falcao laughing at the wages for being a sick note. There is no doubt Salford are on the up. Pmsl.

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02 Nov 2014 22:20:30
don't know why a few of you are taking this post to heart. Wasn't a dig, just an opinion. To the first guy who had a dog yeh your a point above us. Well done. I never laughed at your standing in the table. I do however think we will finish above you. And the comment further down, I wasn't referring to Kroos as a player who would of come to you, but more to the point there are world class players to be had. You say you can't afford top players, yet you spent £100m, so wether you buy 7/8 players for that money or two £50m it's the same. Yes the warrent bigger wages but 7 players as aposed to two will incur bigger wages. If you get my drift.

As for our own squad, we have a few that need moving on, for me the 3 CB. I'd sell jones, smalling and Evans if I had my way. Buy 1 possibly 2 CB, 1 world class CB leader, even if he costs £30m, and abother steady one such as Shawcross for a smaller fee. Then remote Paddy McNair and Blackett who both kids have done really well. We also need a CDM, such as strootman, ( gutted we let Pogba leave )

But anyway it's not about us, was just saying where I think you've gone wrong this season, and I genuinly think we will snatch 4th from you this year

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02 Nov 2014 23:06:45
RVP is finished, Rooney finished two seasons ago and Falcao laughing at the wages for being a sick note
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Yes and most likely they'll finish above us in the table. comments like these are an embarrassment to the decent Liverpool fans. It was a decent banter until a stupid comment like that.
And Rooney run today was better than anything we have produced this season, their kids defended well with 10 men against a much better team than Newcastle

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Chin up Roy losing in the derby has obviously upset you. It maybe best to put your comment on when you have calmed down.

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That was a fair post/comment, Stand United.
Why do people take offence from what is clearly a balanced and honest assessment of liverpool atm? I enjoy this site bcoz it's generally fair. and it's nice to get away from talking about evertons failings. I'm not here to cause a row - nor does it seem Stand United, is.
To get back to the football. It will be interesting to see if Rodgers is a flash in the pan or if he really can sort this recent form. I felt he bought too many too soon particularly when he has good youth progression. But he's a smart fella. I think he'll come thru unlike Spurs who eventually sacked their man.

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03 Nov 2014 00:01:40
Well said Roy. Clearly some fans can't take criticism of they're side even when valid, I certainly can of our side. When people say about us having less points that we did last year this is true, but if anyone has watched our games, we are a much better side to watch this year, and we are on the right path. This game today under Moyes would have seen us ship 3/4 but today we showed good fight with ten men for an hour and could easily have taken a point away. I think were on the right path, with a couple of additions on jan and the summer .

To the post above, to say RVP and Rooney are finished is a bit ridiculous. TV sport showed stats last week of the world strikers giving points system for goals and assists in the last 2 years. Rooney was number 4 in the world. So I think your being a bit unfair to to say he's finished. And the wage Falcoa is on is totally irrelevant to the quality of the player. If your telling me he's not a world class striker then I can't take anything you say seriously. The guy who has a goal scoring record of 2 goals every 3 games, took la liga to pieces and ripped Chelsea a new one with a hat trick in the super cup final. I'm sure if he had signed for real or Barca you'd be bugging him up but as it's us he's a joke . Lol

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03 Nov 2014 00:01:33
Haha I can guarantee nobody will fly a plane with a banner asking to suck rodgers ahahaha buzzing when I read that. Oh and fair play to the Manc he hasn't said anything bad just good banter in my opinion . We need to put a run together very soon though or we will be slipping away from the top 4 for a while

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03 Nov 2014 01:08:33
Stand utd a ACL rupture takes a lot out of a player is he the same falcoa that tore Chelsea apart I doubt it but if he is we're all f___ed.

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03 Nov 2014 05:38:53
We are not in a position to mock other teams.

United with ten men and a bunch of 19 year olds in defence almost played City to a draw.

On current form, United will likely finish well above us.

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03 Nov 2014 06:59:44
Time will tell tommy. I hope so. If he is we have some player on our hands! I suspect that's the reason we took him on a years loan with a view to buy. Could prove to be good business. going to be a close one for 4th . And after missing last year I think it's vital for us

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City was in cruise control all game. It was a breeze and they should of had three pens. Salfords away form is impressive.

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The cold hard facts are that neither Liverpool or that other team down the east lancs road are actually very good at the moment.
Odds on both Liverpool and United not finishing in the top 4?
I'd take that bet at the moment.

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02 Nov 2014 17:20:45
Villa look to be playing better football than us. Plus Guzan can kick the ball without it finding touch or the opposition. Lambert may be out of a job soon. How about him ;-)

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Villa haven`t won a game since they beat us. True genius, Lambert is.

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02 Nov 2014 17:19:05
Last Summer Wellbeck was available. I know ex Man U player coming to LFC wouldn't go down well. Arsenal bought him and will prove to be better than Sturridge given playing time.Obviously would have been a better option than Ballotelli and would have fitted in.
Secondly, other managers are not afraid to introduce young players. Playing local young lads would show more commitment.
Finally suggestions regarding possible new managers, no one has mentioned Steve McLaren who has learned from past mistakes.

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{Ed001's Note - seriously? You really think 'bambi on ice' Welbeck will prove to be better than Sturridge? That is the most stupid comment I have ever read. Welbeck has no ability to stay on his feet, let alone play football.}

Hate to say it ed001, but 'Bambi on ice' is at least better than 75% of our strike force right now. Only Sturridge is better, Welbeck would eat the rest of our strikers alive, just shows how poor we have become in next to no time.

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Really?! What has Wellbeck done to deserve to be rated better than Sturridge?!

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Would be inclined to agree, Indian Buzzer. I don't rate Welbeck at all really and I'd still rather have him than Balotelli. At least he works hard and makes an effort to get on the end of passes into the box.

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I agree with you ED 01

No way Wellbeck is good enough.

However Keenone You do have a point regarding the youngsters. I too would like to see more players blooded and developing into stars, but don't forget that putting young inexperienced players in struggling sides, can have a very negative effect. Besides Gerrard (not with great success ATM I might add) I can't see too many of the other players trying to take responsibillities.

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02 Nov 2014 23:12:01
Ed001's Note - seriously? You really think 'bambi on ice' Welbeck will prove to be better than Sturridge? That is the most stupid comment I have ever read. Welbeck has no ability to stay on his feet, let alone play football

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I won't dismiss it, and the phrase involving egg and face come to mind . Welbeck in the short time at Arsenal have improved a lot and may progress even more. Also and based on the player's history there is every chance Sturridge may not come back the same player he was.

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{Ed001's Note - it is easy to improve over awful. Not so easy to continue to improve when you are technically inept. He is quick and tall and beloved of the clueless because he runs around like a headless chicken. Not a good player, never has been a good player, and has only improved to barely useful at Arsenal.}

Ed01 is right. Welbeck benefited from playing in a Utd team that was rolling under Fergie. He is quite poor and a headless chicken. Technically, he`s not better than any other striker in the top 4 clubs. For Welbeck, improvement isn`t that hard to see because the bar is really low for him.

P/S: The poster who dared compare Welbeck to Studge neeeds his/her head checked, ASAP.

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I think you are being harsh on Wellbeck.
You can't deny that his movement and pace causes problems.
Add to that the fact he works tirelessly for the team.
I'm not saying he is Pele but every player who has played alongside him loves him because he does all the hard graft and they score all the goals.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but the least you should expect from a player is graft. So what you are saying is he does the least that can be expected. His movement? It is awful. He failed to score the goals he should because he has no idea how to get himself free in the box. He is quick, strong and tall, that is it.}

02 Nov 2014 17:09:29
Who does Brendan Rodgers honestly think he is? Swapping managers is not what anyone wants but the time is right to do it because this manager is so stubbon and has made a lot of mistakes in the transfer market with a very serious amount of money that he was trusted in to spend. We was a step away now where about 4 steps away again it's so frustrating. The reasons he has to go.1-agger 2- reina ( don't care what anyone says there both better then what we have) 3- ballotelli- I rate him but I would not of signed him, Rodgers did and he put his kneck on the line. 4- markovic- the kid has showed nothink and he's had chances, ok he's young but I can't see the talent- Ibe or textiara £free markovic £20 million??? 5- this manager has a ego for sure, why?? 6- his personal life. Grow up your the lpool manager not a playboy. 6- his formation is not working so. Change it because where playing awful all over the park.7- his treatment of players and fall outs with players, say it to there faces- skytel, sakho, agger, reina, assaidi, ibe, borini, it's not a coincidence these fall outs. 8, u need better coaching staff. Are u worried over somethink?? 9, u haver won nothink weres the ego come from, 10, stop talking rubbish

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Frank de boer or Juergen klopp for me will do. proven managers at a high level, and even rafa Benitez He has a point to prove

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The media hype along with last season's 2nd place finish (which many fans think was actually a success) has clearly gotten into Brendan's head. His stubborn nature will cost the club dearly this season. A blind man could make out how poor we are in a 4-3-3 formation, yet he persists with it. Our best player Sterling has been shunted out on the right wing when his best position is at the tip of a diamond where he was so consistent last season. Instead he is forced to cross the ball into thin air with no striker in the box and cannot run at the defense from the right. Over 50 million GBP blown on defenders and they get worse with each game. BR is out of his depth, no need to give him time because he has learnt nothing from his mistakes.

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Agree with absolutely everything said in the post and replies there, do wish they would take note of all our crticism but sadly they don't .

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02 Nov 2014 16:56:59
What a dilemma.

We go from an attacking team to one happy to pass it around at the back with little to no penetration within 10 league games of last season.

We have a manager that was making changes and tweaks last season which mostly went correct for him; this season they appear to be all going wrong.

Transfers - looks like we bought too many players; then again would they have been available in the next window?

That being said a number of the signings are young and from different leagues; they will need time to settle - I saw a comment on here regarding Markovic yesterday that he was a "dud" after 5 games for us!!

Personally I think Rodgers will be under pressure (6 losses in 14 games isn't a great record); he will probably be blamed on the money he spent and in some cases players he didn't or shouldn't have brought (still I saw more positives than negatives on Lovren prior to him joining us; let's hope his form improved).

For me the biggest issue is not playing too our strengths; Sterling is regarded as the best in his position and while he can play other positions; for me Central Attacking Midfielder / top of the diamond etc. is where he should be playing.

If teams are closing us down more the central midfielders forward and tell them not to keep dropping deep.

Play / Bench Balotelli; either way play Lallana or Coutinho or - insert name up there with him/someone else until Sturridge returns.

I think the likes of Can, Moreno, etc,,, will come good they just need to be playing in a team that has an identity; not one that keeps changing drastically that the players seem lost at.

One final thing - please don't quote that we should have spent the money on 3 players of quality when most players would not either join or we could not meet their demands. Yes there are some exceptions (Huntlaar. spelling) may have been a better option.

Here's hoping Rodgers turns this around as performances like yesterday are hard to take; I've not signed up to the Rodgers out campaign; however I would like to see some performances that justify my belief.

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There were lots of players we might have been able to get rather than Mario. Jackson Martinez, Bacca, Son, Okazaki, Immobile (before he went to BVB) and probably dozens of others I haven't thought of. For me, it would have been plunking down the Markovic + Balotelli money on Martinez who I think would have had an instant impact and fit much better in our system. Perhaps there are many reasons we didn't, I don't know, but I think saying Balotelli is the best we could do is nonsense.

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I'm not suggesting Balotelli was the best choice - quite the opposite; however whoever we wanted maybe they put the same demands on us - buy for £30m if not in top 4 then release clause of. less than that - £150k per week (remember Luis was only going to be on £160k) etc.

who knows if a player will be an instant impact? wasn't that why we bought Lovren and Lallana? There are no guarantees in football!

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I have no idea who we did or didn't go for (apart from what the Eds have provided) or even whether any of the random names I threw out there were obtainable but I do believe there are far better ways to spend nearly a quarter billion pounds than what BR/the committee/whoever have actually spent it on since he came in.

We've spent ~£351M over the past five years.

United have spent a tad more at ~£355M.

Arsenal have spent ~£100M less than us and Spurs ~£120M less.

Only two clubs, Chelsea and City, have spent significantly more in the last 5 years than Liverpool FC, yet here we are.

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We could've just signed Vorm, Moreno, Alonso and Pedro. Job done. Fill out the squad with youngsters like Ilori, Wisdom, Smith, Rossiter, Teixeira, Ibe etc.

Instead we've packed out the team with players who don't fit the same style we played last season and play in positions we didn't need to strengthen in.

Vorm, Flanno, Ilori, Sakho, Moreno, Alonso, Hendo, Coutinho, Sterling, Sturridge and Pedro is a way better team than what we're currently lining up with and it would've cost about £40m. We'd still have a bench of Jones, Wisdom, Kelly, Gerrard, Allen, Teixeira and Ibe.

When I look at how we spent our money, I'm just in shock.

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02 Nov 2014 16:39:46
With Stevie recently stating that if he wasn't offered a contract extension he would consider playing for another team, and with Pellegrini and Man City apparently keeping tabs, does anyone have any thoughts on Gerrard moving to a rival Premier League team?

Personally I would hate to see him running out in a different strip the same way that Lampard has after leaving Chelsea. but then from Gerrard's point of view, could it be (bar last season's collapse) his best chance of getting his hands on a league winners medal?

Kind of torn on this one.

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02 Nov 2014 16:59:41
I'd be gutted if he left. Aside from the fact that he was one of the best players we ever produced and it would seem so very, very wrong to see him in another side's colours, he still has quality, is probably still the most technically gifted player in the team, and most definitely could continue play an important role in our first team for at least another couple of years - if managed correctly.

Personally, I reckon Gerrard would prefer to remain here and not win the league than win it in one season with Man City. I think it's all talk. I remember Carra contract was running down (think it might have been the season before he retired) and he more or less said the same thing as Gerrard, and ended up getting a years' extension.

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I'd say good luck to Stevie, he owes us nothing, and the way he's talked about by some on here he would be better off, he'd have a great chance of getting the one medal to allude him as well.

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02 Nov 2014 17:56:26
Have to agree with Waro.

For purely selfish reasons I would like him to stay but he deserves the choice and I wouldn't begrudge him a move if he wanted it.

He'll always be an Anfield hero and like Waro said the way some posters on here trash him it might be best if he did move before they completely tarnish the man and his career.

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Would rather see him go to the MLS or another league. My local Galaxy seem to have a DP midfielder spot opening up soon.

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Personally I think Gerrard's time is up, his legs are not capable of the things he used to do and the pressure and demands being made on him by BR are unfair, he isn't and never was a defensive midfielder.

If he let his contract run down and joined City or Chelsea to win one last big trophy I wouldn't blame him, as we are as far away from that as we've for the last 25 years right now.

I wouldn't blame him if he left and frankly he's given us his best years, he stuck by the club through thick and thin.

I for one would give him a warm round of applause if he turned up playing for someone else next year.

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02 Nov 2014 16:04:44
Always try to keep faith with whatever manager is in charge but rodgers is terrible all of his signings have been terrible except sturridge and maybe coutinho. i'm not just talking about this season either. so don't suppose any chance of him leaving

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02 Nov 2014 15:29:24
I love how everyone is blaming Rodgers for the disgraceful performences when it's clearly down to one thing.

Ken lost the lucky pants over the summer :(

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Actually, dagenham gunner stole them during the summer.

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Ken I think you'll find that Suarez took them wit him as a souvenir

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02 Nov 2014 15:20:07
playing the way we are, and were still ahead of utd, spurs and everton. imagine how their fans are feeling being behind this liverpool team.

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02 Nov 2014 15:27:52
It pains me to say it but United how shown far more potential than we have up till now.

Even after going down today for the last 20 mins they matched City with a player less.

If we're going to finish 4th we need to improve rapidly. Just can't see it at the moment.

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Utd have spent a great deal of money also in the Summer and have the worst points iafter 10 games since Fergie's first season. let's not make excuses. Liverpool should not be able to use them, nor should any other club. Everton? Have found their true position .

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02 Nov 2014 13:55:19
Hi Ed
Is it true we will have little or no money to spend in January to stay within FFP rules.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, we are already outside of them, we really need to increase our income or sell, not spend.}

Ed1 do you believe our squad is a top four squad but are being managed wrong? I believe we have good players.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, it is easily capable of finishing in the top 4.}

Can't help feeling though that we wasted the Suarez money.

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I have full faith in the actual ability of every single one of the players we have at our disposal right now to get us 4th place. I don't doubt a single one of them. I just know for a fact that brendan rodgers is managing them atrociously and maiing them look a lot worse than they already are.

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02 Nov 2014 13:46:42
I honestly don't think there has ever been a time in our history where i have gone into every single game expecting us to lose, and not only that, been proved correct.

Even at the very, very start of the season, it didn't look right. The narrow win over southampton really want good enough even then, and the performances have only git worse and wrose. The city game showed the cracks, as did the ludogorets game, and i didng even think we played well against tottenham either, it just wasnt the same. When it got to the villa game, i actually predicted a loss, and was proved correct. Same for the west ham game the week after, i could see it coming, and have felt the same every single week since then.

I have always admired and fully supported brendan rodgers, always thought he was a nice, humble man with great ideas for the team who even when he wasnt getting the results a few years ago, i could see we were improving and supported him, despite the fact the almost all of the liverpool fan base wanted him sacked after a meagre 6 months in charge.

But rodgers has completely crossed the line. The team selections, the formations, the style of play, the stupid waste of money, brendaning of players, he has completely dismantled the hard work of last season and spat on it. Its an absolute mess. He has completely lost the plot. Why he isn't doing anything to change any of this, i do not know. Not to mention the stupid excuses in interviews! He has become cocky and too big for his boots, and i cannot believe i am saying this as i never thought this would happen, but he has been proved as a pretender to the throne.

i can't See him acting upon the current situation, so i believe the only way out of this is to sack him. For all those who believe that klopp wouldn't want to come to us, i actually think he would. I believe the fans, passion, team, the set up and the slightly looser purse strings available to him would mean we are an attractive proposition for him. It would also mean top quality, yet still reasonably priced signings, and the full use of the academy set up.

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I don't understand the first paragraph.
To me it only makes sense if we had lost every game.

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Maybe he has crossed the line. But I just think that is down to inexperience. A better defensive coach and someone with Champions league experience as a coach would be perfect IMO.

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I know we haven't lost every game ken but we haven't deserved to win any games really, we have scraped a win in all the games we have won, in none o the matches we produced a performance which was like our usual standard and deserved a victory, that's what i was implying.

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Piledriver he has been at liverpool for two season and nearly guided us to the title. i'm sure he has seen enough to be able to rectify he mistakes and sort out this mess. Only he isnt, is he?

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02 Nov 2014 13:00:17
Waro, that will have been either BR, Pascoe or Marshy mate, who else apart from them would make a statement like that, clueless to say the least lol

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I haven't opened my mouth!

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02 Nov 2014 12:33:35
I was listening to Radio city's sister station Citytalk in the car yesterday and there was a lad being interviewed ( can't remember his name, ) he is part of a show on the station called Koptalk, and he was asked by the presenter of the other show what he thought of Liverpool atm, I couldn't believe what he said, he thought that we were going through a bit of transition and that we will DEFINITELY come good, we will string 8 or 9 back to back wins together and he's CONVINCED we will be top 4 come the end of the season, in fact he said that he's not ruling out 3rd or even 2nd!

I was astonished, how can someone so delusional be part of a radio show allegedly giving honest opinions about LFC, I thought some people on here were bad, h**k me, this clown takes the biscuit.

So sorry lads and lasses on here, the #LFCSNO1FAN has been won hands down by this me**end. I will get back to you with his name, I've never rang a football phone in but next time the show is on i'm ringing it because some people just need telling and this person NEEDS TELLING!

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I don't get it Waro! Are you suggesting that anyone with a differing opinion is now LFCNO1FAN? Does that make you their worst fan? Or your mate Ozone's with his "never to return to the top 4" statement on January? Does that make him joint worst with yourself? You need to be clearer what makes you the NO1FAN so i know in the future what to avoid. Cheers.

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Don't know what the beef is with Waro, he's a mature fan like myself who obviously ain't deluded or afraid to speak his mind and give his views on he failings at LFC so far.

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Scouse Pride
Shouldnt every one be able to give their views? Right or wrong? Personally i try to stay away from predictions because you can end up looking like a prat but each to their own i guess.

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Rover, everyone is entitled to an opinion but the fella in question was using deluded rhetoric, there's a massive difference.

If your looking for the criteria for the #LFCSNO1FAN, just read daveybootles posts

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Delusional rhetoric eh?

You're no stranger to that yourself sometimes Waro.

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Ken you clearly want to defend the team and the manager judging by your reply's today, but haven't got a leg to stand on so your resorting to sly digs instead. Post a defence or don't post at all.

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I think sarcastically labelling people as #LFCNO1FAN just because they are passionate and positive about the team are disgraceful actions.
That's why you get a "sly dig" in return Waro. I'm not here to defend the team or the manager, but I will back up my fellow LFC fans who want to support the team.
Shankly believed in the collective. If we all pull in the same direction and we all do our best then we all share the success. I'll defend any LfC fan from unfair and uncalled for abuse.
Why don't you try being positive for once?
If you can't manage it then please refrain from abusing those who can.

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Ken, I'm with you here mate. My naivety is diminishing and I'm also getting bored of the high n mighty patronising those for being positive! I'm realistic about where LFC are but there are those that seem to think that it's only those with negative comments that are being honest.
I actually agree with Waro's assessment but not the way he portrays it.

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Waro sees doom and gloom regardless of the club`s situation. If you`re positive, he calls you an FSG yes man, deluded or LFCNO1Fan (whateva the f that means). I`m w/ you Ken and Sirshanks. I`m a glass half-full guy and one who will continue to hope for the best reagardless of our current probs and I hope many others can stay positive even in these dire times.

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02 Nov 2014 12:23:44
Bit of comedy to brighten up the posts - Sam Allardyce recently commented on how Rodgers is 'too set in his ways' - a vaguely credible comment given recent form, before continuing to align his own tactical 'nous' with such luminaries as Mourinho and 'ol Fergie stating he's able to adapt his tactics.

Now now Sam, getting a little ahead of yourself there - he'll be expecting a call from FSG next about taking the reins.

On that note, will a certain Dutch fellow be getting a call this time next weekend?

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He is just reveling in his 2 seconds of fame. Things will be back to normal soon for him.

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A bit rich from a coach who has dfo forgotten the time where his own fans wanted him sacked. He has a right to air his opinion BUT talking about another coach in a bad period smacks of cheek and is a low blow, IMO. Even his mentors wouldn`t do that.

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I wish it was that easy, too set in his ways. I just think he's clueless and lost any ways he had if i'm honest.

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I judge teams on merit /performance, yes they wanted him sacked because of poor results.
Credit to him though for turning it around quickly, and in fairness he has bought well.
You will never see West ham or any mid table team go out and waste hundreds of millions of pounds on average players and then let them rot into oblivion like BR has done.
So all credit to Big Sam as it goes.

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Andy Carroll ??

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As true as that is, he should shot his gob and stop commenting about other managers. It`s unethical and disrespectful. N BTW, we will see where both teams will end come season`s end so if I were him, I wouldn`t be too sure of myself. Just a thought.

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02 Nov 2014 12:21:19
I'll expect that Liverpool will finish in the top three with the same manager.

To allow one exception to this, I want us to sign a pacey prolific striker who runs, can head a ball and doesn't sulk (if you catch my drift).

Anyone name me a team beside Chelsea, who have high league expectations that aren't in limbo?

Thought not.

I await the negative comments, but come the end of the season, if allowing this to post, I'll paste this back on and will shove it where the sun doesn't shine to anyone denying the brilliance of our manager.

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Davey, optimism is great, but the signs are all too obvious. 15 games played, apart from one of which, we have been utter Paul Furlong. Instead of looking at it that way, why not look at it as a lost opportunity to consolidate our status? If the Manager and the Management were clever, they would have built on last season and even if we had only a decent start this season, we would have been right next to Chelsea in the league.

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Love your optimism and I hope yuo`re right. However, it will take a lot of things to happen. With th way things are right now, I fear he might not survive. I sure hope he comes good because in fairness, I truly like the guy.

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Davey,
Who do you want to chose the striker, BR or the transfer committee?

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Davey, you live in cuckoo land matey. Ill await your copy and paste end of May so I can chuckle even more.

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Its not impossible but at the minute it looks very unlikely. Maybe you can take up Ozone's mantle, only in reverse? let's hope you are right tho!

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Take back my post above, you've won the #LFCSN01FAN Davey hands down. Wow what a post.

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Davey, your nearly as good as Ted for spin.

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02 Nov 2014 11:40:58
We have 28 games to go. 84 points left. We have 14 at the moment minus about 76 to secure a top four place leaves us with 62 points to get. 22 points being the difference. We have already dropped 16 points so far so there remains very little room for error from now on.

At this point we can forget top 4 as we are averaging 1.4 points per game when we will need need to average 2.1 points per game from now on. If the wins do not start showing up the 2.1 points per game required will only increase. Leaking goals and we cannot score, it is a mountain to climb for Rodgers. At this rate we will finish on 53 points and that is just not good enough after finishing 2nd last season and then given over £100m to spend on new players.

Financially I am pretty sure it is going to hurt the clubs pocket if we fail to qualify for CL this season. Question is when do FSG pull the plug when the alarm bells are already ringing?

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This season is more competitive than last season and I suspect the 76 point average for the 4th place might a limit too high.

Nevertheless, even a 4th place finish will be looked upon as a failure by FSG and it really has to be the lowest possible target for the PL this season. If we don't get it, BR will be given the boot, and rightly so.

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But I do not think FSG can afford to see the club finish outside the top 4 this season.

Stadium renovation coming up etc, increasing wage bill etc. To attract a sponsor who will be willing to go all in for naming rights wants to see a team which is competing at the highest level not a club digging a hole for itself. No sponsors want to invest in a bottom less pit.

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Right on the money, boys! 4th place will be seen as failure considering what BR promised the owners. Personally, I don`t think he even survives till the end if things don`t improve fast and I`m a huge fan of his BUT this is football and there are no sentiments.

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If you think FSG will be happy spending millions upon millions to be mid table then you are a nutcase matey.
If you ever want to employ a CEO give me a shout as i'd love to work for you lol.

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02 Nov 2014 11:55:50
I posted the following on 23rd October and only received one (supportive) response. Unbelievably it still applies to some extent. The differences are that we have now played 15 matches and are a massive TWO points off 4th place. Keep the faith - things WILL get better.


What a strange position the club is in! Twelve incredulously poor matches played and still in contention in four competitions. 1)Premier League - The first four places are important and we are 5th on goal difference. It would be nice to be Champions but these days that is merely a bonus and has only a slight advantage on the team finishing 4th. 2) F.A.Cup - The best case scenario at the moment is a Home match kicking off at Anfield at 3pm on 3rd January. 3) We have a Home tie with Swansea City next Tuesday. 4) Champions League - There is no doubt about the number one in our group but if we beat the other two teams we will join Real in the Last 32. We only have one really big problem at the moment and that is that we have too many problems! I think that it is about time that Rodgers started throwing a few hair-dryers around. If Mignolet is not going to be good enough in January he is not good enough now (and he isn't!). If Brad Jones is not a good replacement then Danny Ward should be given a chance to be the first home-developed player to appear since the "Flying Pig" in 1962 - over FIFTY years ago. I can't think of a good word to describe Glen Johnson (actually I can!). I think Martin Skrtel is the first name on the team-sheet, it should be the first name on the bench. I know we gave Jordan Henderson a few years to develop (successfully) but it is a luxury we can't afford with Joe Allen. We all take gambles in life and often fail but there is no life whatsoever in Mario Balotelli . Philipe Countinho hit the post last evening and we could all see the frustration etched on his face. Balotelli had only one expression and it is disinterest. All good things come to an end and as I am now over seventy one of the best of those things is not as good as it used to be. Sometimes it works and sometimes it's just hard work and all that describes Steven Gerrard. He has had his day and I think that it's time for him to spend more time on the bench. We all know that this Liverpool team is basically a good team and let's face it it took a really magical goal to open us up against Real but once open we could (and should) have conceded more. The players step on to the pitch knowing that they are going to conceed at least one goal so why bother with a defensive approach. We don't need DMs we need AMs who can score goals. Let's get rid of the previously named rubbish (SG excused) in January and give a chance to the other players that we have bought like Lallana, Can and Manquillo, and let's also look at some of the younger players that we have - those that managed to beat Real Madrid yesterday. I believe that it will all come good but it is so frustrating waiting for things to get better.

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02 Nov 2014 12:06:27
Well in lad.

Spot on.

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The current crop of players look like their smoking that pot JH was talking about at Arsenal.
BR must have them on the bubble pipe before kick off the way they shape up.

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I ask the question, who out of our players would get a game at City, Chelsea or Arsenal? Sturbridge possibly? After that I'm struggling. BR should have kept his mouth shut about Spurs because he's done exactly what he accused them of and more besides.

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02 Nov 2014 11:11:09
Eds reds well the morning after seems worse than yday! So much being said. let's get it right firstly, anuone anyteam would miss one of the best players in the world, suarez, then one of the most improved players in the country, sturridge. But its got to be said that without all the players who played behind those two, they, we, wouldn't have looked so good, scored so many and chal, enged for the title. So the other players, most are still there, and the style of play were just as responsible as the two up top. The way we were set up in the first part of last season way similar to this, look what happe ed. Then we changed according to ed01, when br heard beisla speak and his ideas. When lfc missed out on sanchez, one who couldve replaced suarez being similar, it seems we struggled to find so eone else, why? We had months to be ready for him leaving!, we shouldve had players, similar if not as good, ready to move for them, again year on year, we seem to cock up!, The core of the team shouldve been strengthened, we've got lots of good young players already. But even without all the above, why change a winning formula? Yes teams would have a very good idea what we would do, that's why some have put a player on stevieg, but that's upto the manager and coaches to find a way round it! Balotelli and Borini are not as good by any means, but the rest of the team would be playing the same way as they did last year, and it was them and that style that got the sas most of there goals, some they made tbemselves, and the chances would be there and some at least would be taken. The players look more andmore lost week on week, ultimatly the manager is to blame, he is paid a lot of money to work all the above out, he's being stubborn, and tbat can turn into stupidity!,

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02 Nov 2014 11:57:47
We are just a joke mate. How anyone can expect us to improve after selling Suarez is deluded. Makes me question our club tbh. Say Sterling becomes one of the top 3 players in the world in 3 years time,, and we are close,, do we sell him aswel?

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Its not jus about missing the best, its about replacing them once gone.
BR hasn't done this so the onus is on him, no excuses i'm afraid.
Im sure if Messi left or Ronaldo the lubs would replace them with the best what's available.

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02 Nov 2014 10:54:58
hey lfc fans.

i agree with the ed that said no point thinking about replacing the manager. its not going to happen especially mid season.

i do believe it is generally rodgers fault.his transfers have been really really bad and he's wasted a lot of money

can. for shelvey. markovic for ibe. and they are nowhere near better. spanish journalists warned liverpool that moreno was not the answer for the left back position as he's known to be a good attacker.

so i just see rodgers are really inexperienced. very naive. and that he's experimenting with a MASSSSSSSSSSIVE club

lfc need an experienced manager. and definitely someone who can identify quality players for now. not for 10 yrs time!

ibe. smith. canos texiera suso. they all should be in the squad.WITH a few top players that should have been purchased. it would have made a huge difference with continuity and adding quality without replacing 11 players at once.

so i just think we all might aswell bear it till the end of the season. and hopefully a new manager change

i have nothing against the manager. but i don't want a manager who is learning with liverpool. go do that with another team. and then maybe come back in the future.
the transfers has cost liverpool dearly and they just ain't good enough at the moment

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I agree with you on the transfers and young players who should be in the squad.

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That Markovich makes Aquilani look like a world beater.
Another 25 mil wasted, for that money you want a class act i'm afraid.

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Take issue with the comparison with Aquilani and markovic.

Bert water was injured, didn't want to be here and an established Italian international.

He was here for the money, nothing more.

Markovic is a young lad in a new league, to write him off so soon is unfair and to compare him to the Bert Water is out of order.

I'm sure that markovic will come good in time the boy is highly rated and if you watched Benfica in the Europa last year, you'd know he is a massive talent and a fighter.

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02 Nov 2014 10:54:08
Sorry everyone, forgot to add:

Take all transfer activity control AWAY from Rodgers and co. Transfer activity has been shocking.
There is no point in buying squad members when CL is being pi--ed away. 100M spent on buying good players when we should have bought 3 class and proven players to come in and make things happen.
you know, I hate moaning but it's everywhere I go, mates.
Come on Brendan, sort it out.

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Iran-please enlighten me with the names of theses 3 class and proven players averaging £33 mill apiece that would happily come to Lpool ? Not bickering just curious !

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02 Nov 2014 12:06:27
I think the squad has enough talent in it and our problems are tactical, imo.

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I don`t think the players are the prob (of course it`s easy to say we could have bought this or that player but to me at this stage, that`s just pointless). The way we are playing and the sytem we play is the prob. Those players look lost and some of them are being shackled e.g Hendo who was played out of position and had a poor game. Unfortunately, that is down to coaching. The players (some of whom were oustanding last season) are not the issue BUT the way and system they play in.

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At this rate we will be lucky to attract Aspas back lol

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02 Nov 2014 10:48:45
Hello to all the EDS and fellow REDS

Brendan has to stand up and take the flak. This, apart from the Spurs game, has been a disappointing season (stating the obvious, I know.) His stubbornness in playing Balotelli on his own until we are a goal down has done too much damage already. We wait to concede, then begin to attack or show any purpose in our game.

Were we such a one man team? No, Sturridge injury has also affected our playing system, as it would any team. But this is going on too long now.
As a fan, it is easier to take defeat if we run the opposition ragged. Last season losing at Arsenal in the cup, we lost the game but I had never seen a Liverpool team tear into Arsenal, at the Emirates, with such pace and accuracy. The gooners let out such sigh of relief, when the whistle went, that peopple heard it as far north as Watford.
So what's happened. Has our tactics changed? Has Brendan changed his philosophy? No, so what is wrong. Lose but at least go down fighting.
There are a lot of questioned being asked and they're not all about Sturridge being out for so long. Were we such a two-man team then?
Fellow reds suggest formations and permutations etc but the season's already a quarter gone and we haven't even started. And people are talking about sacking Brendan??!!! What's the matter with some fans?
YNWA

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{Ed001's Note - because he is responsible, it is what is the matter with the blind faith that says we should keep a failing manager in charge I would be asking. The tactics have changed, there is no philosophy, so please shut up about that lunatic imbecilic jargon! That should have seen him never get the job in the first place, by not understanding what on earth the word philosophy actually means! It means the study of life, nothing at all to do with tactics or strategy imposed on a team. It is idiots using big words to try and sound clever, to confuse the masses into thinking they know more than they actually do. You hear them every day in the business world spouting these meaningless words and phrases to sell their complete crap, it has spread to football management and Rodgers is simply one of those people. He is a good coach but he is in no way shape or form a manager.}

Haha thank you ed, finally someone who knows what philosophy actually means. Biggest cliche in football!

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He`s a good coach no doubt BUT as ED said, he needs help in the management part of it. That is why FSG will review the whole set up in due course and trust me, ther will b changes and if BR doesn`t shape, he will b the first one to go unfortunately.

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Philosophy:
''study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, ''

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Hes had the benefit of the doubt for 2+ years now.
If you can't see BR is not fit for purpose then your lving on cloud 9 mucker

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02 Nov 2014 16:58:30
Philosophy - a particular system of thought based on such study or investigation.
-the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, especially with a view to improving or reconstituting them

How did such a small man get on such a high horse!

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He got us back into the champions league in 2 seasons so can't be that bad.
To me the transfer policy just needs sorting out. To many flops

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02 Nov 2014 10:45:17
The thing i'm finding more frustrating and sickening than the results are the performances, we are playing the worst football seen since Hodgson was in charge, in fact it may be worse, i can't bare to watch us at the minute.

Walking the ground now is awful, your going the game worried about what your about to witness, you try and encourage and get behind them but there giving us absolutely zero back on the pitch.

Maybe people are right and sadly his time is up, i would just settle for looking solid and not conceding at the minute, that's how far we've sank. Will yet again be watching tues night through my fingers because this is worse than a horror movie.

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Hes beginning to make Hodgson look like a top manager as it goes, says it all lol

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I think its worse than Hodgsons time when you consider the monies spent.
I thought it wouldn't get any worse but I maybe wrong.

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It could get a whole lot worse on Tuesday lads :0(
I pray not.

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I totally agree! Hodgson is responsible for the worst football I've ever witnessed at Anfield. But BR current delights is running him close!

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Behave lads. We have not reached Def con Hodgson just yet.
That point is reached on Saturday if we lose:)

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02 Nov 2014 10:15:17
What's most worrying for me and forget Suarez or balotelli or the defence it's the midfield for me.

Our midfield 5 yesterday were the same 5 that were there and between them basically played every game last year and they seem completely shell shocked.

And before people go on about no movement up top there's no movement from the midfielders when lovren or skrtel have the ball or no movement from sterling and coutinho and Henderson when Allen or Gerrard have the ball.

We played a lot of cross field balls to a static sterling and expect him to win headers?

Say what you want but last season you had these wonderful moves where Gerrard might play a one two with hendo and then give it on to coutinho who would beat a man and then slip in sterling. Now they look so scared of losing the ball we saw 5 minute periods at a time yesterday of just passing across the back line.

I honestly have no idea why this is but it has to go to the manager. because we've looked better when we're chasing a game and the rules go out the window and the shackles are released on players and that's why we have looked better in the last part of the game.

We have really good players that seem to be being restricted and it's not good enough . we've flipped our tactics from last season in the fact for the first hour we play like we're 3-0 up and then try and get goals. last season after a half hour we were 3-0 up and could then play the game out.

I'd at least just like to see us go all out the first half hour and see what happens if we get there and find ourselves at 0-0 or 1-0 down then just get to half time and try and regroup and go to a plan b. At the moment we don't seem to have a plan a apart from just winning the beloved possession battle

And ask yourself swap balotelli for Suarez sturridge pele ronaldo Maradona or messi and I still don't think we would have scored. the midfield just never got the ball in any nice pockets to do anything with it

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02 Nov 2014 09:47:09
Hi Eds

Do you think it would be possible to get Jupp Heynckes out of retirement for a short period?

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{Ed002's Note - For what purpose?}

To play him up front cause that balotelli is shocking.

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Sorry I was not precice. I was thinking about a manager role for the remainin for the season if Rodgers was gone. I can't see many options for that kind of job, and I would think that the owners will have to wait until the summer to get the their first choice. Or do you have any names for a potenital "care taker"?

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{Ed002's Note - You seem to have jumped the gun rather here. I don't see any chance of a "caretaker" arriving now and covering until the end of the season - although people seem to be suggesting (a) all sorts of ex and current players with no experience, (b) managers who have a job and would not consider moving to Liverpool, and now (c) random retired coaches.}

02 Nov 2014 12:24:54
(d) Family members? My brother took a youth coaching class one summer - "must be worth a chance, surely"?

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{Ed002's Note - Sure.}

02 Nov 2014 09:00:06
I am going to stick my neck out and say that I don't want Brendan Rodgers to be sacked. . yet.
Improvement is needed but for me sacking him now seems harsh.
He must know that over the next few games if things don't improve then he will be in the firing line and I am happy for that to be the case.
I am not a Brendanite.
I can see his faults and I don't think anyone can argue that the whole time he has been here the defence has looked shaky.
But I still think he deserves a bit more time.
It's only been two months since the start of the season for crying out loud.
The team we played yesterday were in the bottom three 4 games ago.
If we do the same over the next 4 games then we will climb the league quickly.
Big if THAT THOUGH.

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If performance doesn't get better in these next two games the owners will consider replacing Rodgers I think before it's too late and there becomes less chance of top four.

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It is a crucial week for BR's career. Losing both of them especially if we concede heavily and don't score goals the level of confidence will be so low, it may be the level of 'lost the dressing room'. If we get two decent results (a win or two draws for example, I cannot, for the life of me see us win both games whatever miracle happnes) people will say it is a turning point and he will get more time. There may be a third option of something in the middle (say a 2:1 loss in Madrid and a 1:1 draw against Chelsea). In any case I think next Sunday BR's future in LFC will be clearer.

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I love your opimism - a 2-1 loss to RM, after watching the home game - this fixture could completely ruin 50 years of Liverpools history in Europe - the 5-1 defeat by Ajax in 1966 was very hard to take, although the 2-2 return leg at Anfield was more pleasing on the eyes, but I am seriously worried about Tuesday.

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John B I am as much worried as you believe me. I said just what are the options. This can end up badly I have no doubt about that. Though it is football so you never know, I think we and RM are in different leagues right now but sometime teams from lower leagues are not being crushed when playing against a big club. I think (and sadly kind of hope) that whatever BR says our players will all go behind the ball and try to park the bus even though we are not very good at that. One of the reasons we are so poor defensively is that we aways play very attacking football and a lot of our players go forward. Let's hope they all realize this time we have to focus on our half of the pitch. Very defeatist, I know, but this is where we are now.

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I am a brendanite but this is not the same brndan rodgers who managed us for the last two years. He has changed the tatics and messed around with team because he is trying to play god, as well as expanding upon his shortcomings.

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I think it would be a tad harsh to sack BR right now, we should wait a week or two .

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02 Nov 2014 08:39:44
Eds, readers. Can I get your opinion on something.
Do you blame the manager or the players for yesterday's result.
I am clearly in the blaming the players camp on this one.
The only error I thought Rodgers made was in starting Balotelli on his own up front?
I would like to know what others think about it?
Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but the manager is responsible for what the players do on the pitch. He is the man in charge. If it was a one off poor performance, than you can say it was a one off poor performance and blame the players. Unfortunately it is not, so Rodgers has to accept he is at fault.}

I agree with Ed001. and think that Rodgers has shown he is a youth team coach at best and still needs to learn a lot about motivating teams at a top level. What is worse is that we have let go of some promising backroom staff because Rodgers is insistent on following his philosophy of possession football with 'no-bite' and believes his dismantling youth policy at LFC is somehow successful. Surely Even Rudolfo Borrell would have been a better choice for assistant coach than Pascoe instead of sacking him and letting our number one competitor last season hire him for their academy needs!

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Fair play ed001.
It has been like this from the start of the season to be fair so I know its not a one off.
I am a bit old school though in the sense that I don't think we should be sacking managers willy nilly.
I think he is under pressure certainly but sacking him right now seems ott in my opinion.

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He`s the coach and if perfs ain`t good enuff, it`s his fault. I will give him credit when we win and he should be getting the blame when we are consistently poor. Simple!

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The stubborn way that BR won't change what everyone sees as a losing team, is depressing, maybe the owners should give him a taste of his own medicine, and put him on gardening leave for a while . we really need a couple of good results to get us back on track, and right now, nothing is going our way .

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02 Nov 2014 08:23:18
hello eds
seems very dull on hear of late. in your opinion who could you see in heinsight replace rogers if he were to be sacked. would fsg ask klinsman to step in seeing as they are good friends

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{Ed001's Note - I am worried they will do that, as he would be right near the bottom of my choices, if it was up to me. I think the most likely and realistic option would be De Boer though. He was approached before Rodgers and turned down the chance to speak to the club due to not feeling ready. Recently he has indicated that he is interested in a new challenge and feels ready to move on. The only thing that I can see that might rule him out is that he turned us down and there is a chance FSG feel slighted by that snub.}

02 Nov 2014 09:17:11
I think Klinsmann because of his high flying football, youth promoting sense and modern ideas. If you recall his German side played beautiful footy and the players loved him. He speaks perfect English and will attract proven talents to LFC.

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ED001, I might be wrong on this but didn't RODGERS turn us down before taking the job.

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{Ed001's Note - he turned down the chance to work with a director of football, but stated an interest in managing us. De Boer just said no thanks I am not ready for the job yet.}

IMO, I don`t want Klinsman. Judging by the way the U.S played at the WC, there were too many negative tactics and the best player on the team was a GK. Says it all for me. If he`s improved and may be has better talent to work with then that might work BUT based on evidence, he wouldn`t b my choice.

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02 Nov 2014 08:01:22
Our game intelligence has dropped off the face of the earth from last year.
We were 1 nil down with 1 min left of stoppage time and Balotelli has the ball and the Newcastle defender kicks it off for a throw in.
Balotelli looks at the ball and decides that someone else should go and pick it up and throw it in.
That was the moment when I thought "He can $$$$ right off"
If you don't have the footballing intelligence to understand that there is 1 minute to go and we need the ball returned quickly then you are a dumb footballer.
So as not to be labelled as a Balotelli hater, let's talk about our other dumb footballers.
I hereby charge the following players with crimes against intelligent football.
Mignolet (the cross he came for and never got even got in the same postcode as the ball and also the fact that for someone who can't kick for shizzle has a strange aversion against just throwing the ball out!!)
Johnson ( He's here every week this fella. He is to football what a turd is to Mensa.
His crime this week was cutting inside and having a shot from 40 yds out which then led to the goal.
Just a bad, dumb decision when we are chasing a goal and everyone is hoping for a cross.
Lovren- wow. I actually posted when he signed to say that this was our most important signing of the summer. His crime is thinking he is Steven Gerrard.
Liable to make an error whenever the ball comes near him. The pace he showed to get across to Obertan was frightening. for the wrong reasons.
Skertel and Moreno deserve honourable mentions for dumb moments during yesterday's game but the overall standard of lunacy was scary.
Going back to my original point, Would Suarez have left someone else to collect the ball with 1 minute left in the game?
I don't know what you call it? intelligence, desire, hunger but whatever it is this team has none of it at the moment.

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02 Nov 2014 08:24:43
Yes but our emotional intelligence and intuitive aspiration is operational. If only we could effectively align game intelligence as well we could be operating at a Jedi level

Just say we're not playing very well and leave it there

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Dq. You have much to learn Padwon:)
Just my opinion fella.

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02 Nov 2014 07:29:35
Still reeling from today. The worst part is that despite the fact the a win could have taken us to fourth in the league, I'm left feeling a lack of surprise at how bad we looked. Given the team performance, its hard to even be angry that we rolled over for them so languidly. The first half was one of the most boring football matches I have ever seen.

What's worse is that I'm left wondering where the problem lies within our team. I previously was a believer that Rodgers was to blame for a system that exposed our defense without playing to the attributes of our midfield and attackers which seems to be the majority opinion I this site. Today however it was hard to pick the 1-3 players or how the system was responsible for our tepid, negative play which leads me to think that the players no longer believe in the cause. The whole situation is a depressing mess.

I'm not trying to purpose an answer or even identy a problem, but I feel that I need to velt this fruatration. This weekend was one I the most depression weekends I can remember as an LFC fan simply because I can't identify a single clear solution rationalize our performance. Sorry for the long rant, but I'm hoping I'm not the only fan left absolutely dejected.

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Wait with the most depressing weekend ever. We still have the Manchester derby today. This weekend can still gets worse (or, with a City decisive win, just a tiny tiny bit less bitter)

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02 Nov 2014 07:08:07
Hi, eds, what's the reason u think BR sticks with 4231 which isn't work for Liverpool now?

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{Ed001's Note - because he is stubborn.}

BR got lucky with the SAS diamond formation for 18 months. the rest of his tenure has seen the team play clueless and dire football with no direction whatsoever. The first 6 months of his tenure were shocking, and it is even worse now. Should have gone for someone like Ancelotti who was out of a job back then than bring in an amateur like BR.

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Yesterday Rodgers decided to go with a back three consisting of Johnson Skrtel and Lovren with Moreno retreating when Newcastle hit us on the break and then Gerrard and Allen sitting ahead of the back three and as usual Balotelli was asked to run around like a headless chicken. WTF is our purpose is on the pitch?

Even Henderson looked like he had just joined the club a week ago. None of the players know what to do with the ball. Think Rodgers has a book called football management for dummies in his office drawer this season.

The mind boggles.

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Your not going to believe this, but BR actually wrote that book, and he has the only one that was sold .

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02 Nov 2014 05:06:44
André Villas-Boas anyone? Spurs sacked him having a 55% win ratio or even Guus Hiddink? Ok Hiddink has recently taken the Dutch job but an excellent option.

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Villas Boas failed in Chelsea and failed in Spurs and was sacked in both before the end of the season. I cannot think if anyone less suitable for us in our current condition. We need a manager that in addition to his knowledge of football is a bit of a street fighter and has the charisma that can to take this ship out of the strom. The Mourinho type. Or at least someone who has a background of proven success that in itself will bring confidence (the Ancelotti type). Unfortunately I cannot think of anyone who is available who meet these conditions. The only one I can think of is Mancini - he has a good record of winning the Serie A three times with Inter and of course winning the first title with City. I cannot say I am certain he can change things for us and City didn't play a very attractive football under him. Also I don't think Mario will be happy to see him back but he is at least available. The other alternative is let Pulis the team until the end of the season, see where he takes us (I am sure at least defensively we'd look better) and then decide about a long term manager (him or someone else). I am not sure he will be up for that though. All the big names mentiones Klopp, Simeone etc will nto come mid season and I am not sure they will even come in the summer to a team who will not be in the CL.

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{Ed001's Note - Mancini spends his time fighting (sometimes literally) with his players. He would be hopeless.}

You say Villas Boas is not suitable but want Pullis to come until we decide to find a who to bring in as Rodgers replacement? Pullis??

Villas Boas is still a very young manager and has done a respectable job wherever he has managed. I would much rather have him than Mancini.

Hiddink did an excellent job as caretaker at Chelsea and has all the experience required to manage a club as big as LFC and might consider us so he would get my vote.

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The most realistic option out there is Frank de Boer. The rest are already at high profile clubs and will not leave midway through the season. His backroom staff consisting of Bergkamp and Ronald de Boer have done really well considering they lose their best players every year, and i hope he brings his staff with him. BR along with his backroom buddies need to clear their desks out as soon as possible. De Boer is a high profile name in the footie world and that could also help the club attract better players than the dross BR has purchased.

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They way we play at the moment, you sometime think maybe if someone will fight the players or at least shake them a bit is not such a bad thing. :) In any case, as I said, Mancini is not an ideal option, I agree, I just say he won trophies including in the PL and he is available and at the end of the day I think this is the kind of managers we will have to settle for. Some of the names mentioned here are not realistic, not even for the summer given that we are not likely to have money to spend and this is the squad they will have to work with when the expectations in a club like LFC are always top 4 and trophies.

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02 Nov 2014 04:18:15
Still cannot get over how rubbish we are and the bland football we have seen so far this season compared to last season. This cannot be because of the loss of Suarez as we even played better football compared to what we are now when he was banned last season.

Many people pointing fingers at the new signings we have made. I would rather look at the deep lying problem which is Rodgers forcing the team to play a system which has failed over and over again this season and Rodgers not being able to accept that things are not working.

If you look at the Spurs match this season, that was a carbon copy of how we played last season. Pressed high up the pitch, forced the opposition into making mistakes and before you could blink the ball was in the back of their net. Almost every team we came up against did not know wtf hit them.

Rodgers has decided the team needs to play in a totally different way which is sit back, soak up the pressure and then hoof balls forward/counter attack or what ever it is that Rodgers is asking the team to do. This team has no identity and the football being played is not what paying fans expect.

Lallana spoke in his most recent interview about 'a new system'. Clearly that new system whatever this new system is (let's just call it Rodgers does not have a clue) should be scrapped immediately. Can anyone try and explain what brand of football we are playing this season?

If the players from last season are struggling with 'Rodgers does not have a clue' then just think what the new signings are going through. If Rodgers cannot accept that his new system is not working then I do not want to see him ruin our season any further.

Enough is enough.

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The thing about the great people and that is true about Suarez as well as about Sir Alex - forgive me for mentioning him here - is that you think you understand how important they are to you when they are in the team. But you only start to realize how big their impact was after they leave.
Regarding how we played against Spurs and last season when Suarez was banned - at least we had Sturridge then. I definitley don't think that Sturridge's injury is an excuse to how poor we look, but it certaily doesn't help.

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Suarez was a big factor in us challenging for the title but without the team effort of last season which included our relentless pressing and quick tempo then Suarez would not have scored as many goals as he did.

Suarez's exit is not the reason why we are playing rubbish football.

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02 Nov 2014 04:06:26
Rodgers has done great job up to now bit sorry he has completely messed up this summer.
Why didn't we spend £100m on just 3 players that fit. If they weren't available we should have stuck with what we had. Why? Because now we have spent all our funds like Dalglish we cannot change. The damage is done.

He is committed to pass and move football so he replaces Suarez with Balotelli and Lambert. We got Sturridge for 12m because he was injury prone so surprise surprise he is going to miss at least half the season yet we pass on Remy.

Our defence conceded 50 goals but he does nothing to purchase top players in goal or at the heart of the defence. Indeed he sells Reina and Agger who are very arguably better than Mignolet and our remaining central defenders. We instead by second rate Spanish youngsters who may make it long term
If think Can will be a good player, sterling needs a break as too much is asked of him. So why loan out some players?

Rodgers is stubborn. We shouldn't be playing one up with Ballotelli or Lambert. They are box players. Is it any wonder Coutinho isn't able to play balls inside the lines or wide when we buy players who don't play that way.
We spend loads of money on Origi then send him back on loan. Are we completely stupid?
A bloody shambles and no lessons learnt from mistakes make by Spurs.

We are a street behind half the clubs in the Premier league right now as they are all playing the same type of football as us last year. Our best hope is the Capital Cup as we are unlikely to finish better than 8th this season. Hopefully I have it completely wrong. Either way I will be there each week giving it my all.

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02 Nov 2014 04:03:25
You would assume if Rodgers gets the boot, it'll be at the end of the season (no top manager is going to leave their club mid season). I'd imagine he'd only get sacked if we didn't get top 4 (although I'm aware of the promises Ed002 said he'd made to FSG). No champions league would mean forgetting your Klopp's and Simeone's. Frank De Boer would probably be the highest profile manager that might be achievable.

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I would rather have a caretaker manager who knows about football and his players' strengths than a clueless stubborn chump like BR till the end of the season. Even my Manc friends feel sorry for LFC after watching some of the performances this season.

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" A clueless stubborn chump"
Listen, I am just as frustrated as the rest of us about yesterday but are you for real?

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02 Nov 2014 09:02:58
Unless things turn around soon, he will be gone as soon as FSG can find someone suitable to takeover for the rest of the season. These guys are ruthless. Ask Kenny. Or Hodgson.

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02 Nov 2014 03:19:57
Ed01 if in the event Rodgers is sacked do you think Steve Clarke would be available as a caretaker manager. Good manager imo and knows the club and many of the players.

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{Ed001's Note - it is more about whether he would want to return to the club or if the club would want him.}

We should ask Kenny Dalglish and Roy evans to come in until the end of the season. I think evans still has a lot to give

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02 Nov 2014 02:51:25
The theme last season was "We Go Again!" and this season it feels like "We Lose Again!"

Liverpool need to be consistent! They were still in the mix because the top teams were dropping points as well but I am afraid time has run out. If we do not start winning we may be stuck in mid table and the gap at the top will grow larger. We should be where Southampton are! We've bought all their top players for a lot of money and we got their league position for free.

Oh and Brendan, play Borini and Ballotelli together and get the formation right against Real and Chelsea. No more excuses now!

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02 Nov 2014 02:50:07
ED01, what's your opinion on Roy Evans as a manager? My dad and my uncles love him - but i'm too young to have ever see his Liverpool side in action

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{Ed001's Note - I loved him, his side played incredibly good football. He didn't get the success he deserved due to Moores. It is as a coach that he is at his best though. He isn't really a tactician.}

02 Nov 2014 00:13:21
Ed001 who do you think would take over mid-season should Rodgers go?

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{Ed001's Note - there would be a very short list of available options. It would probably require a caretaker for a while until the right man could be found.}

That should have been done the last time.

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02 Nov 2014 00:30:20
There's no chance in BR being sacked like some of you think. Yes agree we're awful at the moment but the board will give him time after last seasons success and the fans should do.

If anything needs changing it's the transfer policy, we waste money on players that have potential but probably at least half don't live up to it and get sold on for less instead of going out and buying 1 or 2 proven players. We should use the youth players to bolster squad depth.

Chelsea's got it spot on when they brought Costa and Fabrigas for a lot less than all the players we signed.

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Can't disagree with anything you have said about the transfer policy, it is shambolic.

But anyone that thinks that BR will get time just because of what happened last season is sorely mistaken. The owners want success, and they want it soon, the minute the think that Brendan is not the man to bring them the success he will be out of the door, simple as that.

These are businessmen who want success, there will be no sentiment in their quest to get it!

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02 Nov 2014 09:58:38
RedDawn
Hopefully you are right.

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02 Nov 2014 00:28:02
Seeing as everyone on here seems to have already written Brendan's goodbye card, what do people think the other options are?

Bielsa, say some, but he wouldn't move mid season in any event.

Klopp, say others, not a chance there I'm afraid!

De Boer, say a few, could be a possibility, but a bit of a risk!

There don't seem to be many alternatives at the moment, so how about this for a left field suggestion, Jurgen Klinsmann?

What do people (and the Eds) think of him as a manager? Does he have the skills and mentality to make it as a top Premier League manager? I'm not too sure myself.

My first choice would be Unai Emery. Has done amazing things at Valencia in the past, and is doing great at Sevilla with very little money, his salary would not likely be massive and he brings a different approach to a football club from what I have heard. Again an Ed's opinion would be great.

Personally I hope that Brendan is with us for the next 10 years (because that'll mean he's been very successful).

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Met Klinsmann once very briefly. Seemed a bit of an odd guy, but it wasn't exactly a lengthy interaction so will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Couldn't really say much about him, but dropping Donovan for the WC was a pretty big call which says something (good or bad depending on how you look at it).

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Maybe we could write three names in envelopes, and play some stupid game, even get BR to pick one, ha even put a P45 in another one .

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