Liverpool Banter Archive May 02 2012
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02 May 2012 23:30:45
Realistic transfers this summer:
Outs:
Aqua
Cole
Amoo
Pacheco
(and all the others on loan, I cant remember)
Kuyt
Maxi
Adam
Ins:
Younes Belhanda
Markel Susaeta
Luuk de Jong
CM
Reina
GJ Skrtel Agger JE
SG Lucas Belhanda Susaeta
Suarez De Jong
Great.... more s**te
Ramirez instead of Belhanda
BthekingB
02 May 2012 23:19:12
Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish believes an 'obsession' with the Premier League has reduced the value of winning cup competitions. - SSN
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Probably not the first prson to post this as ive just got in from work............... i dont think i even need to make the obvious point about this ridiculous view from Kenny {Ed001's Note - what is ridiculous about it? He is right, it used to be all about trophies, not coming 4th.}
Come on ed, he is trying to paper over the cracks and you know it {Ed001's Note - no I don't, he is right, what kind of pathetic world is this where no one cares about winning trophies any more? Are players going to retire and count their 4th place medals? It is an embarrassment that so many people have fallen into this obsession with the Champions League. It is just about money.}
I totally agree with this statement the Cups have become so under valued it is unreal.Fa cup weekend was just amazing the pre match coverage and the stupid songs .KK is right in years to come we will look back and remember the winners and not who finished 4th every year.
Do not get me wrong Cl is important as the money you win balances the books but do not understand how some clubs spend 100's of millions just to get to CL .Arsenal fans have not won a trophy for 7 years but qualify for a comp they will never win , if they continue to do the same for another 7 years can you honestly say that is success.
Our Club and supporters deserve some league success but let us enjoy the cups along the way.i played football at a high level and won some titles but the cup is what i remember and cherish.I hope that if we win the Fa Cup this will allow the players to believe that they are winners and step up a level .
Moroccan red {Ed003's Note - If I retired from being a professional footballer and had an FA cup final winners medal I think I would have the brasso(other makes are available) polishing it every day(the medal!) what is lost in this stupid era is the fact everyone wants to make money,could you imagine sitting your grandson/daughter down and telling them how you won the FA cup,so much has been gained by the Champions League but unfortunately the next generation of supporters can only see being 4th in the league as an achievement,I find that quite sad.....}
But it is the Premier League trophy we all want more than the rest Ed. Getting 4th spot gets money and players who are a stepping stone to the premier league title - that is the one the big boys play for.
LIVERPRES
Spot on Ed.
Sad really some would rather win nothing for years as long as you can finish 4th every years to get into the NOT Champions league
Only thing I'd rather have more than cups is to win the Premier league
Lyndon
Bang on Ed001.
its all about the dum dum duh dee dum dum.
I don't think its funny.
And Liverpool used to be all about winning the league not finishing DEAD in the MIDDLE.
He is trying to justify the poor performances in the league with the form in cup competitions its pathetic to be honest.
so you (Ed001) and kenny would rather Liverpool be a mid table cup winning team than win the league or be one of Europe's Elite.
I'm super stoked can't wait for next season... {Ed001's Note - Europe's elite win trophies, not finish 4th. Please grow up a bit and stop trying to make stupid comments about choosing to finish mid-table, clearly the league is the trophy.}
Exactly Lyndon - how will we win the league without quality players, who sadly are attracted to CL football. CL footy is nobodies desire - it is what it can bring to the club to help achieve all of our goals - winning the league title - it has been too long! You all have this idea that it is just CL that fans want. That is not the case - it is what it can bring to help achieve bigger things than the FA and Carling cups. I love winning cups, but like most, would prefer the League title sooner than later.
LIVERPRES
If you start off by gathering a squad together winning a few cups and therefore breeding a winning mentality.
Then 4th in the Premier will not be their Goal they will want to win the Premier.
Take away CL qualification and 2nd is just as much nowhere as 6th or 8th.
kidmillions
Champions League has distorted goals and objectives. Finishing 4th more important than winning trophies - says it all!
And it is the Trojan horse for an eventual European league, one that will eviscerate the EPL.
100% agree with the Ed's here... I used to dream about scoring the FA cup winner in the playgrounds... not finishing fourth to potentially get to a quarter final (if your lucky) in the CL. CL is about the money, unfortunately that money is crucial to securing the ultimate success in the Premier League....
Richards
02 May 2012 23:11:39
Ed, I'm surprised no ones mentioned his name yet (forgive me if I'm wrong) but would Andre Villas-Boas be an option if Kenny was to leave for one reason or another? I always admired the way his Porto team played and he was treated unfairly at Chelsea. Thanks Ed, {Ed001's Note - it has been discussed to death.}
Treated unfairly at Chelsea? His record was appalling
I hope not.
He is totally unworthy of the role.
Anyrate, he may go to Roma.
02 May 2012 23:09:03
With Andy Carroll hitting a bit of form, i have him down as getting one of the 3 goals we score against chelsea.
Suarez will get 2.
and former liverpool legend, Torres will get chelsea's only goal.
that makes it 3-1 to liverpool, and another trophy. This is my prediction.
p.s. Barca can keep messi. we dont need him.
UP THE REDS...!!!
YNWA
Carroll and Torres will be on the bench.
Both played the full 90 minutes this week
didn't score and didn't look particularly good.
So bang goes that theory!
kidmillions
02 May 2012 23:05:33
Hi Eds & Reds,
Isn't funny how you get people from other clubs coming on here and it giving it loads about the state of LFC, anonymous keyboard warriors, who probably started off been United fans, they became Gooners, back to United, then became Chavski fans, but that wasnt special enough, so they went back to United, are currently a Citeh fan and who knows by the end of the season, could be United again, pending how league finishes.
Rebel_Red
Rebel-red i come on here just to read your posts,your posts are so informative and thought provoking my mind wonders with thoughts of x=mc2 and the theory of relativity,then i stir from my imaginative thoughts look out my window and see a lady useing a poop bag to pick her dogs err poop up and i imediatly think of you rebel-red and i wonder,what makes a true fan? and i think of a team,my team,that has won f--k all in 7 years,yet it fills its stadium, 60.000 every game and tickets are like gold dust,and i think,yeah no plastics or chavs hear.this is the real mccoy,this is arsenal
trev the gooner {Ed001's Note - and no atmosphere too, as all the Arsenal fans have been whining about. It is full of plastics, all the old school fans are priced out by your corporate business plan.}
Arsenal do not fill the stadium with fans , a lot of them are on a free be day out with corporate entertainment.
Arsenal football Club always makes me think of that wonderful film "Groundhog Day!"
Every season no trophy's, same excuses, star players leaving, clinging to CL qualification with no chance of ever winning it!
Would much rather have the ups and downs of Lfc at least it's Exciting.
That feeling of entering a competiton with a real chance of winning it: Then getting to the final and winning the Trophy :):):)
kidmillions
Ed001-for your information
Emirates Stadium
Club Level seats - 7,139 (second tier)
Executive Boxes - 150 with 10-15 seats per box; 2,222 in total (third level)
as you can see that leaves 51000 seats for in your words edd(the old school fans)and myself not being a bitter socialiist communist thingy,a fan is a fan and if he/she happens to do well for themselves in life and can afford it,why cant they indulge themselves with their own box,i certainly would.i also think you will find the atmosphere in the emirates has improved greatly over the past couple of years,paddy barkley the journo commented the other day on talksport that"the emirates has become quite intimidating" i think you know edd the stadium with the new title of "the library " lyes a little closer to home.
hope this helps you edd {Ed001's Note - that is a nonsensical comment that doesn't take into account just how high the ordinary ticket prices are. But then you are clearly a dreamer if you think Barclay knows anything about football. I would not dispute that the atmosphere at Anfield is a long way short of what it once was. But to suggest Arsenal's is something special, unless they are all joining together to boo every time Ramsey gets the ball, is ridiculous.}
Edd001 so what are you implying,if somones disposable income is higher than mine or yours and they can afford to watch their team every week and you and i cant afford to do that,they are plastics and not real fans?,nonsence,and yes pb is one of the journos i will listen to,as he calls it as he sees it,also edd,the atmosphere in the emirates is a lot different as to what you suggested in your comment i didnt suggest it was special,but some might suggest it is special when comparing it to the atmosphere at anfield.and what was that sound i heard after the fulham game ended the other night,i have heard the same sound quite a few times after the final whistle at anfield this season,and yes i have also heard the same sound at the emirates.ed001 the moral of the story is people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones,we will agree to disagree ed001 if thats ok with you
trev the gooner {Ed001's Note - I never said any of those things, you misread it or misunderstood it. I was simply saying the atmosphere is poor and that most regular goers of the old school shout and sing type were priced out. Nowadays, and this goes for almost every Premier League club, but Arsenal in particular because of their higher ticket prices, far too many of the fans are there for a day trip. There is nothing wrong with that and every club needs them, but they are far too busy taking pictures or texting their mates to actually sing and create atmosphere. They are far too high a proportion of the crowd these days.}
I agree with a lot you said there ed001.where i would have a difference of opinion with you is although i agree the younger fans dont sing i notice at the emirates that instead of the younger fans texting and fooling around,they seem to get frustrated very easily and this manifests itself into aggression and hostility towards the team.i think the reason for this is the changing times when players used to play for the shirt they now play for the money,and if the younger fans feel that a player/players performance on the day doesnt justify the wages he is getting, the younger fan isnt to slow on letting him know.its almost like its our club and you are an employee so pull your socks up dickie.and they might have a point? unfortunatly
trev the gooner
02 May 2012 23:01:04
Congratulations xabi Alonso
Mighty reds
02 May 2012 22:57:28
Just seen bit's of the chelski game
On YouTube. Does anyone know why there
Was 10 mins added time? Feel bad for
Saying this but was a player from chelski
Injured and out of the cup final ?
From
Dan h
Tiote got hurt
Tiote was injured and was stretchered off in a neck brace but thankfully was okay as walked out at the end of the game
02 May 2012 22:53:09
Lads how impressive is Papiss Cisse?
I mean first things first we need a real scouting network so we can find Gems like him!
02 May 2012 22:37:14
Could you imagine Papiss Cisse in our team, with the chances we've created this season. He'd probably have double the goals he already has. Fair play to NUFC for taking such a gamble, he's probably worth double the amount they paid for him
RedSG
Cisse 2nd goal last night was not really a chance created, It was a brilliant shot that came from nowhere:That's what good centre forwards sometimes do.
Wish we had a proper centre forward..
kidmillions
02 May 2012 22:25:05
Really pleased I'm going to wembley!! Quality tickets row 4 near halfway line. Does anyone know any designated Liverpool pubs nearbye. Win or loose I'm really looking forward to the day out out. Never been to a cup final before couldn't go to the Semi due to me having to go to NYC to see me recovering father.
Watching the highlights on web wasn't the same. Are any of you guys or Eds going?
Eldon Shepherds Bush Red
No pubs in Wembley (old quaker town) but youll get plenty at the ground {Ed003's Note - Go to the end of Wembley way turn left and there is a boozer on the right,personally I wouldnt bother it gets heaving,I picked up a few cans from the offie by the well known take away and had a good sing song with the gathering of fans that congregate round that area on my last visit,have a great time}
Enjoy your day mate sing loud and proud we'll be listening
Lucky you sing your heart out and let's go for a win
Hibsylfc
02 May 2012 22:18:09
Very quiet at the bridge apart from a few geordies.
I see the real Chelsea are back with us, jeez they were bad for a team with everything to play for.
Feel sorry for SHED END. I really do think he believed his own ramblings.
kidmillions
Ive never said we would beat Newcastle or finish fourth, we will beat you in the final though
SHED END
You were at home to Newcastle with 4th place up for grabs and looked devoid of pace and ideas and vulnerable at back.
Wembley is a big and tiring pitch and not really suited to the older player.
You will not beat us with that team.
kidmillions
Sounds like liverfool to me
TA
02 May 2012 22:11:03
Cisse scored two tremendous Goals for Newcastle. I know chelsea were poor but still, both were a good strike of the ball in any game.
Cisse has never scored a hat trick for any club but was scoring freely for a German side at a lower level.
But anyone can see he has quick feet,an eye for goal and intelligent movement. Obviously geordie scouts did.
Luuk De Jong has all the same attributes and probably better, Jordan Rhodes similar at a lower level but a goalsorer is a goalscorer. We should get both in the summer. Wished I could have word with our scouts.
Gaston Ramirez is a much better player than Ben Arfa.
So you've got to rate him and buy him as well.
kidmillions
ps said last week the chavs play to a slow tempo, play at a high pace and right in their faces and they really do look vulnerable.
02 May 2012 22:05:49
Chelsea look spent. No energy, power or ideas at all. I hope they play like that on Saturday, only two days rest and they also fielded a stronger line-up than we did on Tuesday. I'll bet you that more than a few of their players can't help but be a little bit distracted by the champions league final too, everyone knows how desperate they are to getting their hands on that treasure. Abramovich would do anything to be able to show that trophy off to his crooked oligarch mates.
We should go for the throat, Carroll and Terry will be a great arial battle. Carroll is probably one of the only players who can better Terry in the air if he's up for it. That would leave Suarez to pick up lay-offs and knock-ons from the big man. Suarez against Ivanovic (please let it be Ivanovic) and Stevie bursting through to either be left unmarked by Meirelles or fouled in a dangerous position by the unreliable Mikel.
Nothing to worry about at the other end as Drogba will be writhing around on the ground the whole game and Torres will go missing and have that slightly red-cheeked self-concious look on his face.
Cat's in the bag, bag's in the river.
Square Red
Thats probably exactly what Kenny is thinking. One problem though - you have an awful team and are 8th in the league. If you beat us it will go down as one of the biggest upsets in Fa Cup Final History. Everybody loves an underdog.
OsgoodIsKing
Mikel should be banned after that elbow it was malicious and intentional. I doub tw fa will bother as the ref saw it but it showed his true colours. Disgraceful
Biggest fa cup final upset in history?
It wouldn't even be a surprise seeing as we beat chelsea more or less every time we play them these days...
x
Does anyone else think ivanovic and mikel should be banned for the fa cup final because of two malious elbows
H
02 May 2012 22:04:50
hey guys, this isnt a rumour just a question for everyone who visits the site. i was just curious as to who you guys rate the most and least out of henderson, adam and downing and if one where to go, which one would you not mind leaving as much? thanks.
Henderson! He's gonna be a star...against fulham he did'nt play well but the 3 games before that he did a good job, with confidence he'll come good, he's passing ability really started to show lately!
Adam & downing can go for all I care
Henderson has got great potential and seems to have a good head on his shoulders,
Out of Adam and Downing its a tough one but I would probably pick Adam to stay over Downing, Adam needs Lucas with him tho but with better finishing he could have a decent haul of assists.
Downing has to be who I rate the least, hoping he still has some value in him if we sell him
Ska-oop
All of them should be gone by august , please!!!!!
02 May 2012 22:01:39
Cisse just beat Suarez to goal of the season. Oh my word!
-Shane.
I still think that Crouchy's is better Shane mate. But what a fantastic goal that was. Just waiting for Gary (ratboy) Neville to give us another 'goalgasm' lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Crouchys was better than suarez' goal as well
What an amazing goal, let's hope Suarez can do something similar against them in the final.
MIKEY
I think suarez wud have to score from his own goal line to get goal of the season
cisse's was a good goal but surely no better than suarez but i still think crouchie has that in the bag
Much as i loved it, suarez goal has to be demoted to 3rd best of the season after that.
I can't call it between the other two. maybe crouch has it in the bag.
Still... best hatrick of the season?
x
Coates' goal was goal of the season for me.
Brisc93 {Ed023's Note - Peter Crouch's against City for me}
02 May 2012 21:58:00
Luuk De Jong scored 2 goals tonight to bring his tally to 25 goals and 9 assists!
Gaston Ramirez scored another stunner, tonight it was from outside the box to top right corner of net to bring his tally to 8 goals and 5 assists from 27 starts - not bad for a 21 yr old attacking mid in Serie A.
Mertens yet again scored for PSV, he is now on 20 goals and 16 assists from the left wing.
Not bad.. but not worth 16million in my opinion. I would sign him... but for around 10 million.
BthekingB
Just accept that none of those players will be coming to Liverpool as big clubs will be in for them.
02 May 2012 21:53:55
I have a question to you Ed and all other Liverpool fans....
Is it time for us as die hard Liverpool fans....to downgrade our expectations for Liverpool in the EPL.... will we only be a middle of the table side in the future fighting for cup glories only? I hate writing this BUT is this what we need to start doing?
Lets face it if we not in the CL we ain't going to win the transfer battle for top class players....they ALL want to play in the CL... Liverpool's history and prestige does help but CL is every top players dream...YNWA...
Cheer up its not that bad, however i do agree with you on the transfers side, im more nervous that excited about the next transfer window.
What are you talking about? Newcastle were relegated season before last, now they're top 4. A bit of fine tuning either way these days can send you yo yo-ing up & down the EPL. This 'prepare yourselves for long haul mid-table mediocrity' talk is nonsense. Trap our revenue correctly, spend it wisely & we're right up the're again.
dd
Well said dd
Red greco
Look at what Newcastle have done this year alone? If that doesn't give you hope for our future then I don't know what will
I don't think mid table but certainly a team who could push for a 4th spot finish at a push. Get a few good buys in that click and you never know.
The problem is the other teams above who spend heavily on masses of Quality...
We need to start finding the young talent (which we are starting to look at) rather than trying to lure big names that already want cl. We can still attract the qualit of players needed due to the clubs name and the big names we have already (getting less and less I accept) I feel this is why Suarez is important to keep as many players will think twice before turning down the chance to play alongside Gerrard and Suarez
Newcastle are sensible though as they don't go wasting silly money on rubbish players.
02 May 2012 21:51:24
SUPER CHELSEA??
That what you get if people in glass houses throw stones
Shedend!!!
Bring on Saturday
Lyndon
Maybe it puts Liverpool's performance last night into context somewhat.
And shows up the whiners for what they are!
The Real KB
And Chelsea played a near full strength side.
A near full strength side? No Lampard, mata, drogba, cole, luiz, cahill and essien. Thats arguably 7 players who should have started, definately 4-5 anyway. You really are clutching at straws.
OsgoodIsKing
I hope Essien, Luiz and Cahill all start on Saturday, Osgoodisking mate. Fingers crossed.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
CAHILL!!
You Numpty
Lyndon
02 May 2012 21:50:51
Chelsea looking tired tonight. Bodes well for Saturday. They played all their best players bar Cole and they're feeling the exertions of the Barca semi-final. Their best players look their age and we can catch them out. Their focus will be on Munich as it's the only route to Champions Leagure. Pressure is on Chelsea.
No way Chelski will be tired for Saturday...we cannot worry about them...we have to hope that our players are fired up ready to go
Of course we should study Chelsea to see if they are tired. Any intelligent team analyses the opposition before a game. It can dictate our game plan - ie play at a fast tempo.
02 May 2012 21:46:59
I would suspect that central midfield is where we need strenghening the most. Gerrard has just two seasons left and you couldn't argue that any of Lucas ( 1 league goal, single digit assists in 140+ appearances ) Spearing, Henderson, Adam, Shelvey would get near another top 6 team. perhaps any top 10 team ?? Lets face facts they are all utter garbage.
Lucas has become the best defensive midfielder in the Premier.
kidmillions
Gerrard is best off the striker and will finish his career as a second striker (as per Rafa).
I could have u looked at the Man Utd midfield shocking ive been saying for a while that its the worst midfield in the top 10 lucas henderson spearing and even adam wud walk on it
Lucas... our player of the season last year and started very brightly this season. He was one of the best defensive midfielder in the whole year of 10-11 and was very unfortunate to get injured when he was looking to become one of the best in the league. With him we got something like 26 pts from 13 games which, if you times both sides by 3 gives you 78 pts in 39 games. Take away 3 points and you get 75 pts in 38 games - very much ensuring that you have 3rd spot atleast. This of course isn't a true reflection but even if you take 10 points off of that it is relatively close to where the top 4 are now.
BthekingB
For years Liverpool have always lacked wingers for some reason eg kuyt gerrard used downing is only real winger
Totally agree. It's been obvious for years that we needed wingers so why have we never sorted it?
Neilp
Lucas is NOT the best defensive midfielder in the EPL because he isn't a defensive midfielder...he is a good player though...
03 May 2012 11:17:47
lucas is utter garbage?
his DM stats and pass completion stats are as good as anyone's in europe over the last 18months he played before the injury.
evidently even more so in the fact that our team which was happily sitting in 5th place(touching distance of 4th) before his injury and all that was missing was the odd goal here and there. he is the only player i've seen in the premier league this season get to grips with yaya toure and the rest of the man city team for that matter! since his omission due to his injury the team has continued to decline because no one does his job as well as him. displaying an attacking statistic next to his name just shows you how uneducated you are!
how about the fact that he was still in the top 20 of tackles made(opta stats) in the whole of the premier league player list for the season LAST MONTH! and he only played 12 LEAGUE GAMES!
some real info for you before you criticise his attacking abilities.
http://www.eplindex.com/13934/the-importance-of-being-lucas-opta-stats-analysis.html
02 May 2012 21:45:32
Now for my second post ........ search function needed for my first......
All us older reds can look back over the years , and will admit we were rather blessed with watching the greatest club side in the world during the 70s and 80s ,but looking back we just took it for granted. The idiots who send there opinions on here about sack him , get rid , move on , need to think on , it takes more than one season to build an empire , so please support this team , manager and club ,and be proud to what as been achieved and what will be achieved in the future
50 years a red . YNWA
Totally agree, have been a red all my life, over 50 yrs born and bred in Anfield.
Support the Club the Manager in everything there trying to do.
The players are a different matter, some you buy will fit in, some won't, some will be just not good enough. All great Managers are ruthless when it comes to selling those that don't cut it. Even if they bought them. kenny will have to be ruthless in the summer for the good of the Club and if he isn't, well then he's not the Manager I think he is.
kidmillions
Well said fella stability grows success chopping and changing grows nothing. That said how long will Kenny go on for, would we not be better off looking to get behing a manger that has 20 years in him?
02 May 2012 21:43:27
A question to the Eds and everyone else...... If there was one 'realistic' signing we could make, who would make a huge difference, who would you choose?
Id go for Mezut Ozil. For me hes got the talent, temperament and potential to be one of, if not the, best players out there. The Robster.
Lol for a minute I thought you said realistic but then you mentioned ozil
02 May 2012 21:39:02
Holy sh*t did anyone see Newcastle's second goal?? One of the best strikes you've ever seen in your life.
It was a excellent goal.. But I still prefer Gerrard's goal against Middlesborough. Nothing beats that goal. Gives me goosebumps every time i see it.
Live-On-Pool
02 May 2012 21:35:46
All of you mugs slagging off kenny have no clue we haven't been winning silverware for a few seasons now and he has improved us, he just got f***ed around by comolli in the summer, if we win the FA cup how can that not be called a succesful season, league form questionable but that's because we don't have enough strength in depth
Well said, Kenny winning two cups yeah sacK him, makes lots sence
It will be fab to win two cups , but has kenny improved us ?, i do not think so he can not motivate players to win league games , the present players are the worse group we have had since we went down to the second division and kenny assembled a lot of them.
1cup + 1 final 8 on the epl, after £120 mil spend, that's a f.....g progress for you?
Its sense mate not sence.
02 May 2012 19:40:02
Hi eds
The situation is very precarious at liverpool at the moment
Do you move kenny, or stick by him?
I agree with ed001 in that the main provlem for me is that were not gettinv enough players in the box, even when we play well
For me on numerous occasions weve lacked flow and players dont seem to fully know what theyre doing, and we lack a game planand a plan b
Motivation is also an issue shown by games against bolton and fulham, this is clearly the managers job
im not calling for kennys head and believe that he can succeed but there are many things worrying me about our play at the moment
Im sick of hearing fans go on and on about our summrr signings and how much we paid, but im positive players such as henderson would be showing hes worth the tag if the fans actually supported him
Downing also lacks confidence and needs the fans support, and i feel he is a technically great player but as a winger you need more than 1 person in the box to aim to! Look at his engkabd performances where hes set up goals and taken on men, he has it in him
Ed001 dyu feel these issues are the managers fault?
Thanks
Mac {Ed001's Note - he has to accept at least part of the blame, no matter how you view it, it is his job to get the most out of the team.}
I agree, just don't understand how he cannot see it!
I think if we can get the right man that the DoF wants Kenny will move, just hope the gap between the top and us doesnt get too big until we start improving
Whats your views on Laudrup Ed001?
Mac {Ed001's Note - I like the style of footie Laudrup plays, I wouldn't mind watching that every week, though I still think Dalglish deserves another season.}
I think kenny will accept all the blame but i also think it is a big factor that we have no recognised holding midfield player due to lucas's injury but then the conversion rate of the chances weve had has to fall on the players its a tough one but i really believe weve had an unlucky season and thats wher im going to let it
onwards and upwards i allways say because ive watched the top teams struggle to create the chaces we have this season so maybe with 1 r 2 additions the story might be different
in KK i trust and he will decide whats best for liverpool fc and if he takes the guantlet on i expect better things from the season ahead
im sad to see fans allmost wanting us to fail woy deserved a chance he didnt get it kenny comes back and all is rosy for a few weeks and now hes the villain i just dont know if some of the hateful comments on here are being expressed by genuine liverpool fans r is ther a group from up the motorway doing it
because from what i can see ther isnt much wrong with our play its just that bit of luck isnt with us
hope evryone gets behind the lads at wembley and dont moan at the first couple of bad passes truly support our team and they will deliver the goods
You Will Never Walk Alone
Win or lose LFC till i die
livlim
Kenny needs asistant who knows about tactics clark is good for defence but not for tactics when things are not going to our plans our bench is looked confused includiing KK. So the most important signing should be asistant manager and clark should replace kevin keen
02 May 2012 21:26:33
Just watching the Chelsea match and I'm quite encouraged by the way Chelsea are playing, it's giving me a bit more hope for the weekend.
02 May 2012 21:16:19
Absolute shocking performance last night by the redmen, no passion, no fight and even worse for me no pride. All that said I do believe that is possibly the worst performance to-date at home since Kenny took over. The only saving grace was we saved key players for Saturday. Also as an aside 6 of that team that started last night were not signed by KD, but suppose that's also his fault? I believe, and it's my opinion, that generally the football has improved and style of play is entertaining to watch.
However, I fully expected to come on here tonight and see the usual posts, crap players, wasted money, kenny doesn't know what he is doing etc......fair enough to all, it's their opinion and they are entitled to it.
The one comment that does beggar belief and yet is aimed at Kenny, is this one - we don't want to become a cup team - Right by my reckoning it's 22 years since we won the league, yes 22, soon to be 23. Now in that time we have had at least 4 managers who have tried and failed, 2nd twice is the closest we have come. And yet when you read the posts it's all Kenny's fault that we are a cup team? Really? after only 18 months? Get a grip of yourselves people, how many times do you need to see the statement work in progress before you understand what it means?
We were falling behind everyone else even before uncle woy so its not difficult to see the work that is needed to remedy this and sacking every manager who doesn't win the league in the first two years certainly ain't the answer and anyone who thinks it is, is a fool.
I also note some posters are now turning their attention to FSG, why? isn't saving the club and wanting to build a stable platform from which we can grow enough? clearly not. I know start a protest and get these guys out, because the next owners are bound to spend lots more, right?
Over the years LFC fans have built up a reputation for being, fair, patient, and knowledgeable. From what I see on here that reputation will soon disappear and we will become like all other clubs fans, is that what you really want?
Of course like eveyone else I too feel the disappointment of our season in the league, my expectations were higher than 8 or 9, but they were my expectations so I deal with the feeling of disappointment by believing the club is in good hands and it will get better, maybe not next season or the one after but it will. I will in the meantime take all the joy I can from "cup team" wins and the feeling it gives me seeing SG lift any trophy is the same regardless of it's name! - TMac
Again, good post there Tmac. Nick.
Nice post, there's no doubt there's problems at anfield but it's a rebuilding process, it takes time. I hate using ManU as an example but it took Ferguson 6 years to win his first trophy(F.A. Cup)..if I remember correctly he was close to being sacked too.
Bazingaa
Given the relatively poor squad United have these daysm their success over the last two years is also a huge argument for stability. There has been much better squads player for player but far less atble and United won last year and will are gicing this season a fair nudge too.
AK
02 May 2012 21:10:04
Banter please
Ed(s) Just curious about the possible developement of Anfield, how much would it approximately cost including the acquisition of properties around etc?
And S.Coates had a stellar performance against Fulham! He displayed the ability that won him the young player of the copa america 2011 tournament..
He has the rare talent of being able to stick his leg ahead of the attacker and hustle the ball off him without giving away a foul, RARE BREED (Y)
RedSox69 {Ed002's Note - The cost would depend entirely on what is to be done.}
02 May 2012 21:09:35
Have Liverpool or indeed any other teams shown any intrest in Ander Herrera of Bilbao. Looks a very creative player, very comfortable on the ball?
Cheers, Daz
A professional footballer ought to be comfortable on the ball
02 May 2012 21:07:34
Clint Dempsey - sign this summer. Versatile player that has creativity and an eye for goal.
Gabriel Agbonlahor - sign this summer. Pace, flair and stamina. Chip in with the goals and would excel in a better team.
These are the 2 players I would like Liverpool to sign this summer :D bring on Saturday ! Come on the reds!!
I think this poster is getting mixed up with us and the Everton page. Here mate, you want the one across the park..
The Real KB
02 May 2012 20:56:31
Just read we are supposedly interested in etienne capoue wondering if it's true and whether ye rate him.
88
02 May 2012 20:41:42
What does everyone think of Dries Mertens? 19 goals and 13 assists this season for PSV, topping the club charts for both this season currently.
GLfc
02 May 2012 20:17:43
Really hope Kenny goes with Bellamy and maxi on the flanks. Maxi seems to do well against Chelsea.
Also hope Gerrard behind Suarez with Shelvey and Hendo in the middle.
(irishred)
Spearing is not on form hasn't been for months
02 May 2012 20:14:08
It seems to be a hot topic, so do people think AC would be a good CB?
02 May 2012 20:06:11
I hope for King Kennys sake he wins the FA cup final, otherwise his legacy will b slighlty tarnished. He will always be a legend but it will be a sad footnote if all he is remembered for is carling cup and bottom half finish. Oh and the owners arnt crazy enough to give him another season. To be honest it was the fans who clamoured for Kenny, FSG would have much preferred to have gone for a mor sensible, rather than emotional choice... El Pistolero
And since when is 8th a bottom half finish ?? this season has been punctuated with a severe loss of form for suarez thanks to our friend fergie down the east lancs road.
Have faith, the football at times has been superb. Kenny will make it work, he is a winner
Tel 1949
02 May 2012 19:50:32
my misses over here in usa, thinks we should play A.C at centre back, she said in all our big games he has won everything in the air why defending and relieved the presure, wel after much tut tuting from me and how it would be so wastefull of are 35 million, she said didnt utd pay around that for ferdinand, i said i do think they may of but A.C is a striker, she said are you sure about that, now im not sure im confused, just hope the mayons got it rite and it wont mater after december 21, LOL
martin p
P.s thanks ed.s for great site ed,2 for her female intuition, : ) ed 1 for his love of l.f,c and all the other guys who take THERE time to listen to the ramblings of the rest of us, THANKS
Could have something there? Carroll does look like Kyriakos who's now at Sunderland in the Northeast. Could it be possible he's switched identities to get back near home. And Kyriakos is in fact now playing Centre Forward for Liverpool?
kidmillions
Would be a beast of a defender...imagine Carroll and Coates at the back...no fly zone...
02 May 2012 19:45:08
Youve lost your patience with Andy, did you even see the game yesterday? 9/10 headers he won out jumping Hangeland every time, he was setting the ball back into some great positions but there just wasnt enough supporting players (which has been the same throughout the season)
So desperate to be right about Carroll you just won't see the reality
Well he was right about last night. Carroll was winning 90% in the air but had no support. Presumable Shelvey should have been snapping up the knock downs but last night he looked very ..er..Charlton
Redpath
02 May 2012 19:39:04
L de jong has already scored twice tonight, with loads left in the game, twente will throw a few million to his asking price! Also his brother has scored for ajax! Would of been a good double that! Dhh l20 kopite Y..N..W..A jft96! Hope newcastle give chelski a tough game tonight! Wouldn't mind a few red cards for chelski players! Preferly (spell) terry, czech and torres! Lol
02 May 2012 19:36:54
i think its safe to assume that because carra never played last night its 3 at the back for saturday. we have played two teams in blue at wembley this year is this third time lucky . also in two previous games at wembley we have conceded first think we have to score first this time or all the defensive tactics go out the window. chelsea beat spurs 5-1 the last team to score five in a semi was stoke last year and they got beat in final . hope the same happens this time as i say it will be three at back johno enrique wing backs. midfield henderson gerrard spearing luis carroll up front. we may do to chelsea what wimbledon done to us . the way the season has gone we deserve some luck .
alan waddle
02 May 2012 19:33:16
Hi Eds,
I really appreciate the outstanding work you do on here!,keep it up...mate!
I have a list of INS,but the possibility of a move increases going upwards in the following list:
-CF:Luuk DE JONG.
-CM:Rasmus ELM.
-CF:Jackson MARTINEZ.
-AM:Gaston RAMIREZ.
-RM:Younes BELHANDA.
Got a question Eds;
Is there any centre-back we are showing interest in,now? {Ed019's Note - not that i know of}
02 May 2012 19:30:08
Could not see anyone else mention this having searched through...
Match attendance last night: 40,106.
About 5,000 from capacity which is probably Andy Carroll's and Henderson's wages not covered after that game!
If performances continue to be poor will this be a trend?
If so, what happens to the need for a 65,000 seat stadium?
Is it a case of, you'll fill it if the price of the ticket is worth the football on display?
If so, this is why I would never want to own a Premiership football club to try and make a profit!
There's a huge waiting list for season tickets, don't forget mate.
The Real KB
Might have something to do with a little game on saturday that cost £85 per ticket,psv
02 May 2012 19:23:44
hey ed001
do you think we will sign players before or after the eauro's or a mix
thanks {Ed019's Note - I'm not ed001, but players only sign in July, after the Euro's}
02 May 2012 19:22:00
In my opinion we need 4-5 major signings this would be my team for next season
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Hazard Gerrard Elm Lavezzi
Suarez
Giroud
Reina - Solid Goalkeeper doesnt have much to do but hes pretty solid
Johnson - quick can get up and down the wing and can defend
Skrtel - my opinion our player of the season hes strong and a great defender
Agger - Injury prone but is a really solid defender
Enrique - Strong , quick and amazing defender
Hazard- Would cost about 35 m in my opinion hed be worth it hes got skills he got pace and hes a amazing winger what liverpool need
Gerrard -Legend
Elm - Creative great passer good tackler
Lavezzi - really quick good shot great winger
Suarez - Great dribbler finisher amazing and skillful
Giroud - great in the air on the ball and has a great shot on him
in my opinon this would be enough to get to 4 at least
we would have a solid goalkeeper and defence two class winger two class cm's and 2 class strikers
We would be broke.
AnfieldUSA
Lucas???????
i lost interest once i see he was missing.
That team would challenge the title but we don't have that kind of money to spend and we aren't in a champions league position so why would they come when they have better offers?
BthekingB
02 May 2012 19:18:10
Now that Roy hodgson is England manager, it is always going to be mentioned that he had a disasterous time at Anfield.
It hasn't often been mentioned in his defence what a terrible time it was to be at Anfield or how the current Liverpool manager has taken the club to a whole new level of disasterous. There can't be many pro keeping Dalglish fans left, his got two games left in which he can salvage alittle pride but nothing can now paper over the cannon size cracks in our league form.
Sadly it could fall to a certain Mr Torres to put the final nails in Kennys managerial coffin. If hardly any player could raise themselves last night with a cup final place on offer can you imagine how flat they will be against Chelsea in the league match at Anfield.
Should Chelsea do Liverpool at wembley there will be no trophy to parade around Anfield and after the Fulham game there maybe no crowd and no atmosphere to call the 12 man. It will be a last chance for Chelsea players to impress and win champions league final places, while our players will already be thinking of the euro's and Olympics should any have earned them.
Poor kenny could be have a Steve mcclaron moment I fear.
It will be sad to see him go this way but he has no defence. He had three transfer windows and lots of cash. It has not worked.
my worry is no manager will want the job as hodgson got dogs abuse and if king kenny could not get a tune out them, will any other credible manager risk their reputation trying to fix Dalglishs mistakes knowing the fans will turn against them at first chance while Dalglish will always have his Carling cup and maybe an FA Cup in the cabinet
You are mr doom and gloom.
This is a troll people, so don't waste your time responding- he's obviously a rival fan looking to get a rise out of LFC fans. Don't give him the satisfaction.
02 May 2012 19:16:10
players who i believe we should sign to make us a much greater force for next season are:
Luuk De Jong- has scored 23 league goals. Yes i know its a much weaker league but some players have proven to be great success for this league like
Christian Eriksen- has 17 assists this season which be a great benefit to the team he has also scored 7 goals and waas the man of the match against Man U
Rasmus Elm- his been the undisputed star player in the opening months of the campaign and every single attack starts at the playmaker's feet. He hardly ever loses possession and his impressive shooting skills have already resulted in eight league goals.
Adam Johnson- everyone knowns his qualities and could provide us with goals and assists
Nigel De Jong-a player that could replace jay spearing and Lucas when is injured
Nigel de Jong, replace Spearing when injured?! You are kidding. He's a proven international, do you think he'll join us to play second fiddle to Spearing, on about 80 grand a week...Ha ha...Nice one
No meant replace spearing altogether
Think he meant to replace Spearing full top. Then cover for Lucas if he gets injured.
GLfc
Apologies, I misunderstood...
. riena
johnson, skrtel, agger, enrique
. lucas, Nigel*
ramirez* gerrard, downing
. Luuk* suarez
Gulacsi, Coates, Kelly, Robinson, Henderson, Toni Silva, Jackson Martinez*
Coates was the best player on his club side before he joined us and one of the starting CB for the Copa America champions Uruguay - why is he not starting every second game at least?
02 May 2012 19:10:48
Do Liverpool have any interest in Asian players to crack the Asian market? {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware of.}
02 May 2012 19:06:05
I for one believe big changes are needed at the end of the season if we want to get back to where we belong.
The return of Lucas next season will of course bring an enormous amount of stability and balance to the side but we need an out and out goalscorer like never before. Someone who is just going to be in the right place at the right time to score. Fowler proved you don't need to be big like Carroll or quick and skilful like Luis to be a valuable striker, his talent to just put the ball in the back of the net would be so valuable to this current side. Soldado would be my choice but De Jong or Giroud may also prove to be successful.
I do also feel as though Dalglish needs to step aside. As I've said a few times previously he did a great job coming in and stabilising the club at a time when he was needed, but some of his tactical decisions I don't always understand.
One of which is his having 3 or 4 defenders on the bench which are rarely used, which then leaves us short of options in attack or midfield where we actually need options. Another is on a number of occasions taking off Downing to bring on Carroll or vice versa which is effectively putting on a target man, but simultaneously taking away the man who was bought primarily to supply crosses to him, it doesn't make sense to me. Finally he has made a habit of playing someone, whether it has been Carroll, Downing, Shelvey etc. in several consecutive games, builds up their confidence and when they put in a good performance, drops them, hence damaging their confidence and not rewarding them for doing well.
I don't agree that Rafa should return, we need to look to the future, but I think we can all agree that we want the success in Europe and in the league (2008/9) we had during his reign, and in order to acheive this I feel some young, talented signings and a change at the helm may be a good and necessary starting point.
RO YNWA
So Downing is the only player that can cross the ball? eg. Bellamy cross to Carrol in semi final.
Evers.....
02 May 2012 18:56:03
Hi ed! Not sure if you can post this but a friend of mine cannot make the final but has 2 tickets! He paid £700 for them and just wants his cash back so if anyone on here needs them, they can get my email address off you! Cheers
What is his email address then? Ed could you give to me please...I am ticketless and 10 mins away from Wembley {Ed002's Note - Someone will send you the details.}
Eds, please pass my email address to this guy pronto !
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Someone will send you the details.}
02 May 2012 18:35:09
General question ....
Are fsg really the owners we need at this point in time? All I hear constantly is 'wages would be an issue', 'he would cost too much' etc. I realise we don't have the revenue to compete yet but surely the new / expanded stadium would get us there
The initial outlay of getting us back at the top level would be repaid over the future income associated. I realise funding isn't easy to get these days but it's still available for the right people !
We are a mile away from all our rivals and I just can't see us coming close anytime this decade !
We need to spend big in order to push us back to the highest level. Albeit with a manger who can spot real quality.
People talk about the £100m + we've spent but never do they mention the £50m we got for Torres.
We had an opportunity in the dubai lot, who were interested in buying us and spending big. I'm sure there maybe valid reasons why that deal never happened but there a viable investors out there
I don't know, it maybe just me but I don't trust yonks ! {Ed002's Note - Building a new stadium would mean borrowing a very significant amount of money and it would be many years before that was paid off and the additional income flowing in to the squad. £300M borrowed over 10 years would mean payments of close to £50M a year, even with some partner or branding deal putting in £15 or £20M a year it is a lot of money that would need to be found. Whilst folks blindly roll out the gross and net transfer fees people forget that the club is still running at a loss (I appreciate there are many people who cannot accept this and think the club is very profitable) and the owners are picking up the tab for that. The accounts through to last June are due soon and they will show a loss. Next year will see the accounts through to this summer and they will show a much larger loss. One key reason that fourth place or better and qualification for the Champions League was such a major target relates to the income and opportunities it provides. As an example, Chelsea will get something in the order of £50M for this year's Champions League campaign and that equates to perhaps 30% or so of Liverpool's total income for this season. The owners are responsible and want the club to be breaking even as soon as is possible - you should be thankful that they want to make the club a sustainable business in the long-term.}
Many thanks for taking the time to response to my post. Whilst you make some very valid points it still doesn't really answer my question in regards to fsg. I realise the stadium dilemma would put off some investors off bur the Dubai lot sounded like the real deal in terms of funding
The current losses we are running at can only be recovered through top 4 finishes, champions league and global brand awareness.
I don't really see our current team achieving that and would have thought getting that line would supeceed any immediate stadium developments as, as you quote rightly said how can we be profitable with that kind of debt on the books. For me priorities should be - team development and the
ground developments
02 May 2012 18:17:50
Kenny will be going at the end of the season, I am pretty sure of that, quite frankly he is not at the races when it comes to managing a side.
At the start of the season Liverpool's main objective should always be the league as it is the competition with 38 games, considerable more than any cup competition.
Liverpool have failed massively this season and whatever the result on Saturday it should not mask kenny's massive failings.
1 he is a rude man who can not conduct himself with the media
2 he is no tactician
3 he is living on his legend status
4 you have to question his judgement on players
We need to act quick after the cup final and let kenny get back to golf.
I think we have another big summer to look forward to.
MJ
He has turned us in to a mid table team he is a joke.
Superb post 100% agree!
The longer he stays the more damage he does.
You my friend are not a Liverpool fan.I know it, and you know it.
I have met him he is not rude at all, in fact he is an absolute gent compared with most of the gob jobs in football today.
including yourself.
MIKEY
Do us a favour, go and support City. Nobody on these pages, Eds included, come within a hundredth of what this man has achieved. You do the club and yourselves a massive disservice coming on here berating Dalglish. So if you're fed up of supporting LFC, I'm sure City or Chelsea would welcome a few more plastics to go with what they've already got.
More Everton & Man Utd fans posting their poison on this page I see. How pathetic.
02 May 2012 17:53:28
I totally agree with the FA complaining to the Sun regarding the front-line headline concerning the new England manager. It's bullying in my eyes and these chapss should never nor continue to get away with this stuff. I've always felt uncomfortable with the 'Woy' jibes etc, just the person I am I suppose, but for them shower to print it front page is beyond a laughing matter and is disrespectful and childish. Close them down.
DaveyBootle {Ed002's Note - I completely agree.}
Spot on. It reads like it's been written by 4 year olds sometimes. Disgrace of an institution in so many ways.
DP
Completely agree I only hope that some of the posters on here who are guilty of the same now see the error of their ways.
Chris in Tamworth
I hasn't got much time for the FA or Hodgson, Davey mate. But that rags headline was a disgrace and petty. The day the media and culture select committee concludes, that Murdoch is 'unfit' to run his empire. They lead with this tasteless headline.
But what did you expect from the S*n?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Bang on the money there, absolute disgrace. They have put it on the front page and attempted to down play it as affection, it is bullying. How can they get away with slurring someone because of a speech impediment? Hopefully they will be punished but I doubt it.
Andy the red
Couldn't of put it better blair mate.
But look at it this way, they couldn't of shot themselves in the foot at a better time. "fit and proper" indeed.
Spam.
MIKEY
United fan in peace, adding my 2p worth - totally agree, I love Roy Hodgson even though he didnt do well with you lads he never, EVER loses his dignity, he;s a true gent and a solid manager.
I'm Welsh, and personally I dont think he's the man to return success to the England team. But he's no worse than Redknapp IMO, theyve got the same bunch to work with either way.
I just dont want to see the bloke crucified in the media AGAIN after his failings at Liverpool. Its not that he's a bad manager, or that Liverpool were a bad side, it just wanst a good fit and didnt work out.
Hope he does well for his sake, not for England, haha! Nah, youll walk the group lads.
RED_SKY
Davey, I totally agree with what you said. I had a speech impediment as a kid, grown out of it now but what that paper did is bullying, as it was one of the reasons I was picked on at school all those years ago. With this Leveson Inquiry going on, you would think they would tread carefully right now!
Is this worse than saying things with a racist tone, as it can still hurt the guy. I also agree Roy should always be called Roy! Maybe it's my age, but I was brought up on respect, sadly missing nowadays!
Keith
02 May 2012 17:44:04
Evening ed fellow reds,at anfield last night jay jonjo hendo got there pants pulled down all game there not good enough ,Carroll did ok feed on scraps and sterling looks a class act real spark my man of match 3 great crosses great control and no fear. Well done lad cheers psv
Coates or doni my man of the match
Good call on coates, but remeber stearling onl ever played 13 mins before and he completly changed the game for us
Coates and Sterling are two of the most important players to keep if we are to be successful in the future...Sterling one of those exciting attacking players with that x-factor we need...and I believe in time Coates will be the best defender in the world
02 May 2012 17:43:19
Blood red {Ed002's Note - The original statement was wrong so question is never going to be answered - as such please stop asking.}
02 May 2012 17:24:58
I suggest you guys read Epic Swindle if you want to learn the truth about George Gillette and Tom Hicks.
It will also explain the TRUTH of the Alonso selling saga.
BthekingB
This is an excellent read for all red fans.......it makes you hate them more......if thats possible!
Crooky
An incredibly interesting read...FACT
02 May 2012 17:06:29
In my opinion we have assembled a squad that is too slow and too static. Other than the pace of Bellamy and the two fullbacks, there is not enough speed in this team. The team against Fulham last night was never likely to win as every starting player was slow bar arguably Henderson, who doesn't know what to do with his abundance of energy anyway. Downing has been very average all season. It's time to bring Sterling through and rid of slow players who are aging such as Kuyt, Maxi, Aurelio, Carragher, and to an extent Charlie Adam as well. Not exactly sure who our targets are but would love to see some pace and power added with a driving midfielder in the mould of Moussa Sissoko/Ramires and quick wingers/wide forwards such as Lavezzi/Sterling/Bellamy. If the rumours are true Rasmus Elm and Gaston Ramirez are a good starting point to swap with Spearing and Adam who we should be looking to replace. Lastly a new strike partner for Suarez is needed. Ideally it would be Cavani, realistically somebody like Soldado. Carroll should be kept, his aerial power will come in handy and he seems to be improving.
--Reina--
--Johnson--Skrtel--Agger--Enrique--
--Lucas--
--Gerrard--
--New Winger--Suarez--Bellamy--
--New Striker--
02 May 2012 16:59:12
LFC probable transfers:
Ins:
-Gregory van der Wiel
-Gaston Ramirez
-Luuk de Jong
-Šime Vrsaljko
-Milan Badelj
-Iker Muniain
Outs:
-Glen Johnson
-Maxi Rodriguez
-Dirk Kuyt
-Fabio Aurelio
-Joe Cole
-Aquilani
Team:
------------------Reina-----------------
--Van Der Wiel--Skrtel--Agger--Enrique--
---Downing---Lucas---Gerrard-Ramirez---
-----------De Jong------Suarez---------
Subs(Rotation):
Doni,Kelly,Vrsaljko,Coates,Badelj,Adams,Shelvey,
Spearing,Henderson,Sterling,Carroll,Muniain
YNWA - GEIST
Have we even got thatkind finance
I don't like van der wiel at all. I feel he doesn't offer as much as he should defensively but is strong going forward. Like Johnson but he's young and can get better.
AnfieldUSA
Have you seen Van der Wiel play?
02 May 2012 16:54:58
eds do you think we might do a double raid on montopelier (spelling) and try and sign belhanda and giroud , i think both would be good signings
thanks {Ed023's Note - Maybe, time will tell}
All big teams will try and get these two players but unless they have us as a preference we will not get them...no harm in trying though...
02 May 2012 16:52:08
hello eds, please can someone tell me what was the watney cup, its just i have an LP called the kop choir taken from when lfc played in the watney cup, the players pictured on the sleeve are bobby graham, alun evans steve heighway alec lindsay ray clemence larry lloyd kevin keegan emlyn huges and others.
i also have a signed lfc noted paper, which has kk as player manager, i can recognise some signatures like ian rush, mike hooper craig johnston ronny whelan jim beglin and sammy lee but the others ive no idea about if i put it on the sightings page would anybody help me to find out who they are. thankyou
billy {Ed023's Note - The Watney Mann Invitation Cup (normally referred to as simply the Watney Cup) was a short-lived English football tournament held in the early 1970s.
It was held before the start of the season, and was contested by the teams that had scored the most goals in each of the four divisions of the Football League the previous season who had not been promoted or admitted to one of the European competitions, although Manchester United did not compete in the 1972 event despite apparently having been eligible based on goals scored.[1][2] Two from each division took part, making eight participants in total.
The competition was a straight knockout format, each match was a one-off with no replays. The final took place at the home ground of one of the finalists, rather than a neutral venue.[3]
The competition was so named thanks to a sponsorship deal with the Watney Mann brewery. The tournament ran four times, from 1970 to 1973, before being discontinued.
The first ever penalty shootout in England took place in 1970 between Hull City and Manchester United during the Watney Cup, and was won by Manchester United. The first footballer to take a kick was George Best, and the first to miss was Denis Law. - taken from wiki. Hope this helps}
I used to have that LP as a kid!!
Just saying........
ANFIELDPETE
Yep me to. in fact me dad still hass it back over there .
martin p
Just found out its worth £20, not alot i know
billy
02 May 2012 16:50:44
I can't see us getting top 4 even next season. If we can't replace the crap players at our club. Some who have no passion or desire to win, some too old, some just not good enough.
Last night Sterling made me wonder how bad this so called Downing is. Why why we paid 20m for him piece of shi**.. he should rather hang his boots and start polishing Sterling's boots.
Spearings tiny legs are not good enough to cope at the high level. I don't care whether he runs all over the pitch till the last minute or he is born to the center circle of Anfield pitch.
And some people complaining Andy Carroll doesn't get the crosses he need, well what is his feet made for? 35M and he doesn't know how to use his feet and control a ball.
If we want to get into UCL we need another squad over haul. Players like Carroll, Adam, Downing, Spearing, Kuyt, Maxi, Aurelio, must leave.
Kenny should stop defending his players,, believe in what he is seen recently, learn from his mistakes he made last summer and buy some decent quality affordable players. If Newcastle and Everton can get strikers who can score goals for 10M & 5M then why can't we, we don't need to splash another 35M.
SPEND THE MONEY WISELY,
SELL THE 35m BEER CANE, 20m DROWNING,
6m SNAILDAM...
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To unnamed poster, these players you are deriding are Liverpool players chosen by a Liverpool mansger and DOF, Ok some of the signing haven't worked out as expected. But there is no need to verbaly abuse these players in this way. I suggest you take your abuse on another sight or stick it where the monkey sticks his nuts.
Bobbinred
Daaaaaa!! i Guess you must support somone else?
Iggypop
02 May 2012 16:48:54
I think we all know season was a disaster, but turning to tactical side for FA final:
Obviously we can win, but will need to be a well orchestrated approach. First of all, we cannot beat Chelsea playing passing football. They are better in essentially every aspect right now. They showed against Barcelona that they can shut down the best offensive weapons and can counter effectively. I don't think they will be nearly as defensive with Liverpool, which is no surprise. They are playing with confidence and will be constantly on attack. If we set up to play a defensive game and hope to score on the counter attack, it may just be our best chance. Nobody who is a Liverpool fan wants this, but it may be the only way to win. We simply aren't a good passing club. We also can't score goals. Should be better than last night with Stevie, Luis, Bellamy back, but the competition will also be better. Our best hope at a goal is a Chelsea mistake or a counter attack that actually works for a change.
I think Suarez wants to shine and has proven that he can deliver on the biggest of stages, so I am confident he will pot us a goal. Only hope that we can overload the midfield and make it impossible for Chelsea to dictate the game.
My lineup
Reina
Carra Skrtel Agger
Johnson Enrique
Hendo Gerrard
Bellamy Suarez
Carroll
Obviously I don't want Carra in there, but with three center backs I think he can't do too much damage, and Johnson and Enrique can tighten up things on the wings. Gerrard and Hendo will also have do do alot of mopping up in midfield.
I am hopeful that the presence of Carroll can free up some space for Suarez and Bellamy to do some damage. Johnson and Enrique will have to provide the width, but in truth, we have not had width for many years, and won't for this game either.
Downing occasionally looks like he is offering something different, but 0 goals, 0 assists speaks for itself. He should not start, nor play any role in my opinion. He is a horrible defender, and since his offense is impotent, I don't think an FA cup final should be time for him to have another go...Kuyt, despite his flaws, has a knack for stepping up and scoring big goals and would be useful coming off bench. I would even put Sterling on bench again. He could offer a new dimension if we need it in last 15 minutes.
Might be a tight affair and I am sure many out there will disagree with this setup. Love to hear some thoughts though.
Coop
Amazingly this is exactly what I would do as well. Only small switch I would make would be-
Suarez
Bellamy Carroll
So more of a 5-2-1-2 as it were.
Other than that, I completely concur with your assessment although I think (know) many will disagree.
I think we need 5 (or 3 depending on how one looks at it) in the back to defend against Chelsea's corners/free kicks as a) we're not great at it and b) they score a lot from those via Terry/Drogba/etc. and that's also another reason to keep Andy in the side.
Will be interesting to see what KD does, but for me these as the starting 11 would not be a bad choice.
RDL
4-2-3-1
Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Spearing, Henderson, Bellamy, Gerrard, Downing/Kuyt/Maxi, Suarez
RedSG
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Spearing Shelvey
Suarez Carroll Downing
Attack Chelski
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Coates Henderson Downing
Carroll Suarez
numondo
02 May 2012 16:37:17
I think on Saturday, this will be the game that decides the fate of Dalglish for next season, if we win i believe he will get another year, by the skin of his teeth mind! if we lose then i truly believe he will be relieved as manager, at the end of the season, i dont think FSG are any mugs at all and they will want success for their investment, but a lot of problems so far this season i think Dalglish has brought on himself, the team is never balanced, never the same, and signings have been poor to say the least. plus his faith with 3 certain players for me have been detrimental to the creative side of Liverpool and we would be lucky to get a draw
Downing has been a massive disappointment, i was never a fan before he signed for us and i think he only has so many England caps because he is the only left footed player we have. but at Liverpool he has been woeful, another player i dont know what his position is? left/right either way his service has been poor
Jay Spearing for me offers nothing at all, he is supposed to break things up in midfield quite often the game just passes him by in addition to not creating anything going forward.
Dirk Kuyt, Dirk baffles me why so many fans adore him? i dont see anything that he contributes to the game, he must be one of the most frustrating players to play along side, the amount of times he gives the ball away is ridiculous, imagine you are a midfielder, the ball breaks out of defence to Dirk on the right wing, you run hard 60 yards to catch up with the play only for Dirk to give the ball away. so you have to track back 60 yards to defence, this must happen ten times a game. how his lack of ability has not been spotted by Dalglish (lets not forget an amazing footballer) is beyond me.
Carroll, Henderson, Shelvey i can see genuine potential to become very good players, but when seasoned internationals playing with you are so bad like Downing and Kuyt it must be hurting their confidence.
But i think with Lucas back and two wingers left and right with a bit of pace who have the potential to beat their man and put a cross in we could be a decent side, maybe not a championship winning side but certainly a side that can grow stronger after a few years, at the minute i dont see the type of game we are supposed to be playing, is it attacking is it counter attack, it seems we are just turning up on the day and hoping for a bit of quality from Suarez or Gerrard, we also need the instruction from the manager to press higher up the field rather than let opposition have all day to pick a pass!
Cobra
Didnt Macca say there are big changes in the summer, so win/lose i dont think it has much effect on the way things are. Big changes are coming. Ed's care to shed any light?
Lee73
Kuyt worked tirelessly for the team and would track back to help defend as well as harass opposition defences all game...he also had some very important goals...and he would always play wherever the manager puts him with no complaints...a total team player...this is why Reds fans liked him...However, over the past two years he has really struggled and is not the same player anymore...I have watched matches where he couldn't make even five passes to teammates...sad to watch...I'm sure his time with us has come to an end...was one of the most hard working and fit players I've seen though and was never a cause of trouble...
02 May 2012 16:32:57
Andy Carroll will start on Saturday, the only reason he will start is so he can mark ivanovic for corners and free kicks, its bad news that the only reason why are 35 million pound striker is going to start the FA cup final is because of his defensive skills.
If Chelski don't score and he has a few clearances off corners then that's fine by me for this game
02 May 2012 16:32:35
Eds, I have it on good authority that after last nights effortless display we are going to sign replacements. I am told the a deal is in place for none other than Mr messi, we believe that he will be able to convince his friends Mr Bump, Mr Tickle and Mr strong to join also!
On a more serious note, let's put last night behind us, get behind the team and let's show Chelsea why we can do when we want. Come on the boys.
Andy the red
02 May 2012 16:21:44
Hey Eds,was just wondering if there is any interest in any of our players? I know Suarez has interested Palermo,Malaga and PSG,and Dirk has a few Dutch and German clubs following him,but I'm worried that the likes of Martin S or Dan Agger may be persuaded to leave. And say what you like about this team,we have still conceded more goals than only United and Citeh! So clearly our defence shouldn't be tampered with! Thanks! WelshBoyDave {Ed023's Note - Agger & Skrtel won't be leaving. At this time I don't know what players are interesting clubs besides the 2 you mentioned}
02 May 2012 16:14:52
Can you please tell me how much will our budget be for next summer? and what are the chances of glen johnson , reina , suarez for staying ? and do you think we need a playmaker or a winger? .. please relate editor
thanks {Ed023's Note - Winger and Striker are top targets. I don't know if any of the mentioned players will stay or go and Ed002 has explain repeatedly about our budget, try the search function}
02 May 2012 16:06:50
Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish believes there is an "obsession" with the Premier League at the expense of Cups. They play in the FA Cup final on Saturday against Chelsea, having already won the Carling Cup. Dalglish says: "There is an obsession with the Premier League simply because of what it holds for every club and the value financially for every club. But there is a satisfaction from winning a cup competition which you don't get from finishing fifth or sixth in the league"
How about finishing 9th kenny with only 5 wins at home?lowest points total since we got relegated or pound for pound worst team put together by a manager..and ofcourse this whole money thing is over rated anyway who needs money to run a club nowdays.
Red indian
Why dont you try your sacrcasm on your fellow supporters on the manc site ?
Tel 1949
Why dont you try your sacrcasm on your fellow supporters on the manc site ?
Tel 1949
Sorry Tel 1949, but u clearly have outdated views. Its money which runs the show, n makes a team WORLD CLASS like man city, real madrid.....
The champions league is the holy grail for all football players. The younger or modern fans want to see their club rubbing shoulders with the best in the business, not beating championship sides on penalties. If liverpool football club n kenny cannot see this, then its midtable mediocrity for a long long time. Why wud foreign players care whether we win the carling cup or not? I doubt thay have even heard of it.
It is fans like u that have put liverpool backwards. Its about long term n financial success, not about winning trophies which most people dont care about. FSG r in it for business, not bcoz they love liverpool. If our club is happy winning domestic knockout competitions, then we do not deserve to have owners like FSG. Hicks n Gillett were more than good enough for us if this is the case. Do u not wanna see our club playing barca n co? Or do u love kenny more than liverpool?
Indian Buzzer
Get real guys, Kenny was asked about the FA Cup final that, in case you'd forgotten, Liverpool play in on Saturday. Ask yourselves as fans, are you excited about going to Wembley (if you have tickets) or watching YOUR team play in a major final? Kenny knows the CL is important but today, tomorow, Friday and Saturday, it's the Final that's in his mind and should be in all fans' mind. English teams can only win one of 4 trophies - League Cup, FA Cup, Premiere League or CL/Europa Cup. If Liverpool win on Saturday, that's a 50% success rate! Liverpool will not play in the CL next season, live with it and enjoy the final on Saturday!
02 May 2012 16:05:54
Hello Ed's , i have an question for use and i hope use can answer if use like , my question is we (liverpool) are obviously behind the rest of the top teams in england (man u , city , chelsea , gunners etc) at the moment in terms of challenging for the title so how are we going to catch them if we can't attract the worlds best players for instance (hazard , gotze , robben , cavani , higuain , kaka , modric , david villa etc) with no champions league football and also not paying big wages ? Ye we are linked with pretty good young footballers like luuk de jong , elm , muniain , gaston ramirez) but with all honesty we will still be a step behind the rest because they will be buying those players(hazard , gotze , cavani) and still we will be playing catch up , we have bought over the price young british players and yet we are in 8th place level with 9th ( better goal difference with fulham). we basically tried that way and failed badly so I'd like to know how are we going to get back to the best because it hurts me and i think it hurts all liverpool fans when we see where we are in the league and how far we are from united and the rest , i just wonder how its going to work out to get back at the top and i hope it happens. {Ed002's Note - OBviously there is no simple answer to this.}
The simple answer is get used to Liverpool being a mid-table club.
Man United in my opinion are a very good example of the team winning due to the managers tactics, United for me are not littered with superstar players, a few years ago they had a strong side with Ronaldo who was just unbelievable, now its pretty much the same but Rooney has had to step up, but it is very rare they do not 'go after' teams from the off, two wingers always attacking and putting the ball in the box, i think fergies decision to change this tactic every now and contain the oppostion like against city a few nights ago is strange to united and they dont look comfortable doing it, thats why against the 'lesser' teams United will just destroy them because of the amount of chances they create, Liverpool under Rafa would play the same way against west brom as they would against Chelsea or United, and under Dalglish i dont see any attacking threat at all, the ball is rarely played wide, and when it does the delivery into the box is awful. so the answer for me would be a coach with an attacking philosophy, (Laudrup would be a dream pick for me) and change the style of play to believe in your ability that you are better than your opponent, Liverpool would win far more than we would lose or draw.
We've only got one option realistically. Try to find good, young players who aren't necessarily super-established and hope the scouts get it right.
We likely can't afford to chase the same caliber of players as City, United, or Chelsea, so we need to build a side more in the mould of Spurs/Newcastle and hope they work out.
Unfortunately, thus far this hasn't really worked out for a number of different reasons, but hopefully we can course correct a bit this summer and come back with a much better squad next season.
My personal opinion of where we went wrong is we sort of tried to build two entirely teams with two different styles of play- one based around Andy and another around Luis- but ended up with one that is not especially good at either. This doesn't (and didn't even at the time) make much sense logically and I think (again, just my opinion) is where it all went wrong.
At the very least it should be a very interesting summer for LFC.
RDL
In my opinion if the owners want to be a successful club and win major honours then they need to go all out to persuade the best players around europe to join Liverpool, otherwise were gonna keep buying average players and being an average team.
However i dont know if i trust Kenny with more money.
02 May 2012 16:01:07
I hope that we will buy a lot more creativity and pace this summer. I don't care for "marquee" signings, creativity and pace would do.
Marc
02 May 2012 16:00:56
We've lost money big time on Carroll and Downing.
What do we do to recoup it? Is it a business after all.
First off, we sell Carroll and Downing for say combined fees of £28 million, resulting in a loss of £27 million.
We then gamble/take a chance in the market to try and recoup the £27 million loss.
We buy Luuk De Jong, Gaston Ramirez and Jordan Rhodes for combined fees totalling £38 million which will hopefully give us the firepower we need.
We have now spent another £10 million over the £27 million loss. Bringing our total outlay to £65 million involving all 5 players. If the gamble pays off and it's always a gamble buying players. Then we could see the combined value increase on the 3 players bought to cover the initial loss. All 3 players being 21 ish could see their value rise to £25 million plus each.
Job Done. Certainly don't think we would lose any more money so for me it's a bet to nothing.
kidmillions
Forget about Carroll and Downing the main person that needs to leave is Kenny. He is a joke and keeps talking out of he's a*se
02 May 2012 15:58:45
'If someone had told me at the start of the season that we would win the FA Cup and the Carling Cup, then I would have been pleased.' - Jamie Carragher.
Does this not just show that these players care more about winning medals and having them to look back when they are old rather than thinking of the bigger picture which is the league table.To me finishing 4th is way more of an achievement than winning the domestic cups.If we arent in the Champions League we aren't making money to attract the guys that can make us real Champions League challengers (as well as prem) again and can't afford to pay off a great new stadium.The mindset and priorities are mixed up.I understand that success breeds success but we were meant to kick on after our carling cup win but instead 2012 has seen us with form closely matching Wolves
Galls
Yeah you can always look back and say over my career i won nothing but hey at least i came 4th in the league loads. get real
Exactly the point im making anonymous poster.These people care about themselves,not the fortunes of the club long term
galls
Most of you posters don't live in the real world, you must forget the past and look to the future. The future being a good cup and middle of the table side. Firstly when you look at the opposition what do you see ?. Man City will improve even more, Utd is reported to be ready to spend £100 million in the close season, Chelsea will always spend big, Arsenal has already signed 2 players and are looking for more. Only one team can win the Premiership, but I''m afraid that will not be us in the foreseable future. Hopefully a top 4 place is about as high aa we can go, I think our heirachy realized that at the begginning of the season hence the concentration on the cups. Unless you are going to spend money like City, which is not going to happen It dosen't matter who the manager is he cannot work miricles. Look at the points difference between the top two and third an fourth, that's hell a lot of ground to make up. I think the Premiership will be like it has been in Scotland for years. Top two and then the rest
Bobbinred
This is from the man who a lot of people see as our next manager .. Really shows how out of touch the players are with the expectations of representing LFC.
Carra needs to concentrate on winning the FA Cup first. We are not playing Cardiff this time.
So we can't possibly win the Premier in the foreseeable future? Don't agree with that at all. If were patient and buy just a couple of goalscorers and get the maximum benefit from some of the youngsters coming through and play the same pass and move game throughout every playing level at the Club. Then the youngsters coming through will already be comfortable with the system.
We shouldn't be looking at the likes of manu,city and the chavs. We should be looking at Arsenal and improving upon it.
Think it's ridiculous to say we can't win the league because of money.
Look at how much money these Clubs waste. We can't afford to waste any at all. That's why it's so disappointing when players bought don't step up to the mark.
I believe now that Kenny has had a good look at the squads strengths and weaknesses over a full season: He will if given the time ship out the correct players and bring in the correct players in the Summer.
kidmillions
No, we can't win the league without substantial spending. The days of Roy of the Rovers have gone. I have supported Liverpool for over 30 years, Yes I desperately want us to win the league, but remember the most succesful period with this club was by buying top class players, with a few coming through from the reserves. Back then we could financially compete with everyone, home and abroad, also most top players wanted to come to Anfield. We must be realistic ,
Bobbinred
02 May 2012 15:57:44
Hi Ed(s),
Antoine Griezmann, are we showing any interest? & would he be interested?
Cheers,
Stone YNWA. {Ed023's Note - Of course he would be interested. Are we, I don't think so.
02 May 2012 15:57:22
Eds,
please tell me that we are interested in Younes Belhanda?!
What a player! {Ed023's Note - He has been watched}
02 May 2012 14:48:23
Hey Ed001 1.if we do get Elm do you think one of our midfielders will leave(possibly spearing or adam are the only ones I can think of)
2. Is luuk de jong the most likely to join of our striker targets
3. are will still having interest in Isla for RB if johnson leaves or there are other targets
4. Is there the slightest of possibility of selling downing in the summer as I feel he is the only signing not showing anything.It will be better if we play bellamy when available and the likes of Toni silva , suso,sterling etc. when he's not. {Ed001's Note - 1. there was a possibility that Adam would be leaving in the summer, prior to his injury. I am not sure how that will have affected things, but it has almost certainly scuppered the chances of a move. I doubt Spearing will leave in the summer.
2. impossible to say right now. He still seems to be very much a major possibility.
3. again impossible to say. We don't even have our backroom sorted to know what will be happening with transfers for definite.
4. I don't expect Downing to leave as things stand.}
02 May 2012 15:36:52
yo eds! Was thinking why is it that all the players we r interested in are all really young? i just think it would be nice to get any experienced player in aswell as young ens. Someone around 27-28 mark. Everyone seems to think young players are always the best buys, but they are obviously not always the best choice. Take Pirlo for Juve for example. Absolute bargain for a freebie! So do we have any interest in any 'older' or should I say 'wiser' lads?
Thanks Clarkchenko7 {Ed023's Note - There is enough senior members of the squad at the moment}
Pirlo? my god he couldnt run five years ago in Italy, and you think he could cope with the speed of the prem?
02 May 2012 15:18:00
Reina
Isla. Skrtle. Agger. Enrique
Lucas
Phillips. Gerrard. Jarvis
Suarez
Carroll.
The middle 3 and Suarez can all interchange during a game if need be to mix it up or swap either one of the wide men with Bellamy or any other striker we might get in the summer to change to a 4-3-3. I believe this formation Per se is the one we should go with next season as it leaves us with a lot of options for change durin a game and we have pacey youngsters to bring on as impact players in the last 15/20 mins like sterling and many others that I can't be bothered to write them all down
This is just my opinion. Oh and we should get rid of Johnson. Downing. Aurelio. And probably Adam to make space for the new signings and kuyt and maxi should make way for two youngsters to come through
Thanks for reading
Eric the red
Phillips and Jarvis? Carroll lone striker? Is this you Kenny?
You had me interested, almost lost me when I seen Phillips, lost me when I seen Jarvis. Jeez..
Stone YNWA.
Although I do like Phillips and Jarvis because almost everything good that there teams have done this season has come through them and they are consistent they were just an example. My main point was if we get players for these positions it gives us more options to change a game and Carroll could hold the ball up and lay it off to the more creative players like he's key did with Owen. Heskey was (is) owful but he had a good partnership with Owen and with consistent wingers who will whip in 10-15 crosses a game from both sides and Suarez with the creativity in the middle Carroll would be getting supplied from 3 fronts. Left. Middle. And right. Leaving him with no excuses
We can't afford another season of Carroll.
Do you seriously think he's going to suddenly have instant control, pass and move like a 35mil player score goals, learn to head a ball? Just can't see it. Seriously if he's still here next season? It will take him another half a season to get fit again! Get Rid it's the only way we'll move on and improve.
Gerrard,Kuyt,Reina,Carra,Suarez,Coates,
Bellamy,Lucas and Johnson have all played alongside some of the best players in the World for both Club and Country. Therein could lie the problem? Do you really think that these players rate Carroll highly? I don't think they do at all; judging by some of the body language and raised eyebrows when he's falling over and lumbering around the pitch.
Most of the players above watched the Fulham game from the stands; your naive if you think they are sitting there thinking what a wonderful player Carroll is!
kidmillions
02 May 2012 15:19:20
Puzzled {Ed002's Note - I have only seen one post and that was posted.}
Thanks ed002 I shall say no more on the matter but the fact that you changed the occupations proves (a) you have a sense of humour (which therefore makes me doubt you are American) and (b) I was right with one of my two choices
Puzzled {Ed002's Note - (a) Wrong - but I left more than 30 years ago; (b) Right.}
She has a sense of humor because she is American.
AnfieldUSA
02 May 2012 15:12:45
WARNING VERY LONG POST
Many have posted that Big Changes will occur at the club over the summer, I hope this is the case as it is definitely needed. We have no identity, no winning mentality, no style of play, no pace, and at this rate no hope of finishing above Everton, let alone challenging for top 4. Our bread and butter is the league so our Cup successes should not cover up or excuse our poor form in the league.
I'll start at the very top, the owners need to sort out who is running our club. Ian Ayre did himself no favours with the Suarez affair, and his openness of his admiration and almost worship of Kenny is bad leadership, as the Managing Director he calls the shots. I would move him back to his previous role of Commercial Director and bring in Brian Barwick as CEO. Barwick has vast and relevant experience is available. David Dein would be the number 1 choice, but I find it hard to see him in anything other than a potential consultancy role, given his Arsenal allegiances. The club needs leadership from the very top, and with FSG spending a majority of their time in the U.S someone needs to hold the fort here other than the manager
The Director of Football seems to be a route that FSG want to go down. The job specification of a DoF differs across lots of clubs, and without knowing what FSG expect I cannot comment on who should be in the position. We've been linked to a number of people who have the right experience, but whether they're suited to the role? Who knows.
The manager, Kenny Dalglish had lifted the spirits of the club after the Roy Hodgson era, but now I find myself with the same feeling I did towards the end of Roy's tenure. Expecting to lose at home, scraping goals from the bottom of the barrel, the same post match comments the result doesn't reflect the performance I'm at a loss to explain how our Cup form is so different to our league form. It's clear that something is not quite right. Yes he galvanised us last season, but in all honesty anyone could have after Roy Hodgson. Our form In 2011 was very good, but in 2012 it has been woeful and from a position of challenging for top 4, we now find ourselves fighting for a top half finish. Any other man, and they would have been gone by now.
The players, simply put we have over a number of years replaced good players with average ones, and now after Rafa Benitez overachieved for a number of years, we finally find ourselves in a position that the quality of our squad deserves. We have the spine of a team that could challenge for honours in Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Lucas, Gerrard and Suarez yet they're surrounded by average players. There needs to be a massive clear out this summer, which may result in another transitional season, but there needs to be signs of real progress, which some argue there has been this season, but I don't think there has.
Johnson, Aurelio, Wilson, Aquilani, Cole, Maxi, Kuyt, Adam, Downing, Carroll are just some of the players who I think should consider themselves lucky if they're at the club come September 1st 2012. Based on a recent study our average wage is £60,000, £600,000 a week is being spent to employ them yet none are proving value for money in their wages.
In an ideal (but realistic view) my squad for next season would be
GK “ Reina, Doni, Jones
RB “ Kelly, Flanagan
LB “ Enrique, Robinson
CB “ Agger, Skrtel, Coates, Carragher
CDM “ Lucas, Coady, Spearing
CM “ Gerrard, KEVIN STROOTMAN/KEISUKE HONDA, Henderson, Shelvey, Suso
Wingers “ CLINT DEMPSEY, GASTON RAMIREZ, Craig Bellamy, Downing, Sterling
ST “ Suarez, LUUK DE JONG, JORDAN RHODES
I would certainly be happy with that squad, a smaller group of players, but should be able to negotiate a League season and the Cups. 3 players promoted from the reserves, supplemented with 5 new signings who I think could be persuaded to sign, and given the potential outgoings would be affordable. However I doubt all those players would be sold, so can see Downing, Adam and Carroll still being at the club next season.
Very bored whilst doing job applications, feel free to comment...
RedSG
An interesting set of proposals but you include Carragher - surely you can see that he has finished at this level - and Spearing -who is not Liverpool quality - birthplace cannot be allowed to influence whether we keep someone or not
Puzzled
I have Carragher as a 4th choice, whilst he may not be the Carragher of 2005, he is still a good option to have. We have the likes of Wisdom who could come in, but he is so inexperienced it would be a big ask for him as I don't think he has played any 1st team football at any level. Carragher with his vast European experience would be invaluable in those early Europa Rounds shepherding some of the youngsters through.
Spearing would not be in anyone's 1st choice XI with everyone fit, but having someone who gives 100% all the time should not be underestimated. In the squad I've suggested, he would be a back up to Lucas and Coady.
Furthermore as part of Europa squad I think you need at least 4 players trained at Liverpool not just in England, I may be wrong, but I think that's the case.
RedSG
02 May 2012 15:10:56
Last night on the on the pitch we hade 6 players that we spend £83 mil on them, ac,Henderson,downing,Enrique,coutes,doni, what the f...k is happning with this club
You think you are upset? How do you think Henry and co feel? They open up their bank book and it all gets wasted by a manager who relies on sentiment over reason. They would have been better off donating the money.
02 May 2012 15:09:34
BLUE 247. hope your on here on saturday night and bring your bus pass a week later, for the open top bus(if you know what one looks like)parade , it will be a gr8 day clown costumes for you and the kids , a big celebration, you mite wana stick blue tinted glasses on n pretend its your s**te club n ride the wave, TIGER WOODS HAS BIGGER CLUBS IN HIS BAG THAN EVERTON
one big muppet!
all the time 247
5gold stars
Hey Fivers ...does this mean I'm off your xmas card list ??:(
Be careful...don't forget I still have those photos...(you know the one's ...when you were a bridesmaid at Eltons wedding...but no fear I wont tell a soul... mums the word;) ...)
Ps...I'm good like that :)
Blue247
02 May 2012 15:00:13
not one to slag off players or manager so I wont but picture this if next season we again progress in cup competitions will we discard the league again god forbid we become a cup team
02 May 2012 14:49:47
ED002 - didn't see my post of yesterday appear - is it because I am too near the truth or because I claimed the £10 prize?
I said that process of deduction/elimination makes me think that you are either a rodeo clown or a gentleman adventurer.
Puzzled {Ed002's Note - I didn't see the post either but as you suspect I am indeed a rodeo clown. But please don't tell anyone.}
02 May 2012 14:37:39
hi all i was looking at some posts earlier in the week and there was someone who said we were looking to much to the future, honestly think he should be liverpool manager i think we need to sign a players wich can make a diffrence to the team and get us back up there to fourth spot and then attract bigger player by being in the champions league? how much do you reckon we will be willing to pay for a player i hope its not low ?
many thanks :D
02 May 2012 14:47:29
My first time posting and just wanna say great site.I was thinking it wud be a good productive summer if we got:
Luuk De Jong - 10m
Demba Ba - swap deal involving Carroll (wud like to see carroll do well but he just doesnt fit the stlye of play)
Kagawa - 5m, last year of contract
Nathan Clyne - 5m, replacement or back up for johnson
Zaha and Moses - 5m each, both flair players hu cud play on wing or up front
Affelay - 8m
Lfc cud then play attacking 4-2-3-1 very much like Athletic Bilbao.
Reina, Clyne/Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Affelay, Kagawa, Downing, De Jong/Demba Ba
I reckon we cud easily get 30m for suarez and dis wud be a fairly realistic summer dat wudnt break the bank.wat dje tink eds?
You were on a really good post there until the suarez thing, luis is special, h*** selling a gr8 player
5gold stars
Kagawa is a talent, and even in last year of contract will draw 15 - 20 million. Affelay too injury prone, which won't help us. Demba Ba hasn't really done anything in second half of season (Cisse doing all the damage) so if we are going to sign a top striker, we should go for a top striker. Our owners have money. They have said as much themselves.
02 May 2012 14:35:21
any chance of liverpool sacking kenny? many thanks {Ed002's Note - I very much doubt it.}
Ed do you still think that it is likely that he will move roles? {Ed002's Note - I think there remains a good chance that he will not be manager come the start of next season.}
Hi Ed, hope you're well.
It wasn't me that asked the original question but I wouldn't mind a more in depth answer please? I mean, there's so much speculation over him leaving/getting sacked so was just wondering as to why do you doubt it? Personally though, I'd hate it if he left, and although I'm very happy that you doubt it I'm just interested as to why you do.
Thanks for any response.
Ell. {Ed002's Note - I have made it clear that I think that he will probably leave the role of manager at the end of the season by mutual consent or by his own choice - but I do not expect him to be sacked by the owners.}
I hope that ur right ed002. there has been no progress whatsoever under kenny. I really dont think world class players give a damn about the carling n FA cup. they want league titles n champions league.
Indian Buzzer
No Indian Buzzer world class players only care about how much money they make...ex: all of man city's players
REDWAZ
02 May 2012 14:25:38
i understand that next season our kits will be made by warrior sports but i was just wandering if our sponsorship with standard Chartered will remain? {Ed002's Note - Yes it will thanks to the deal brokered by H&G.}
02 May 2012 13:59:37
Some of the fans on here amaze me... Writing off players
Like elm before he's even signed... Make my words carry
Shooting them down they will only fall harder and faster...
Rickblfc..
02 May 2012 13:52:08
looking forward to the game sat but i will be hoping Chelsea beat yous but well done on reaching ur second cup final looking forward to finishing ahead of yous it will be a pleasure after all the money kenny spent just goes to show moyes is a better manager as yous said cups are bonuses the league is the bread and butter but hey good luck on sat as i feel yous will need it [stef the blue imwt coyb.
Cos moyes has won anything, even lower side have reached and won finals, take pompey as an example, the onlything moyes has achieved is stability, nothing more nothing less, lack of ambition
I couldn't help laughing watching MOTD on Saturday when i heard this said " David Moyes looking for his 8th top 8 finish in 10 years at Everton "
> top 8 finishes in 8 years ? Do you want to give him some form of medal for that because he doesn't seem to have won you any in those 10 years ? Maybe then when he leaves for a bigger club he can say he won something.
Bitterness bitterness the only thing that the blues posses.
JP
All the kings horses.
And all the kings men
Won more in one year
Then Moyes has in ten.
Stef u talk some crap jay Irish red
All i did was wish yous luck on saturday hate to say anything bad haha 120 mill for the carling cup laughing stocks .stef the blue]
Many Reds fans think everything's gone to hell and the season is a disaster and Kenny has lost his skill and we have had one of the worst seasons in the league, ever...and this person gloats about being one spot above us...says everything really...
02 May 2012 13:49:34
After last night poor performance and poor attitude. What are peoples team selection for the final. I fear that Kenny will once again play Henderson on the right and Carra will start, why was he rested last night
My team would be
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Spearing
Bellamy Saurez Downing
Carrol
We need to play with a winger and the only one we have is Downing and someone with a bit of pace who can get past the full back and cross the ball for Carroll. It's not rocket science is it?
I was made up when Kenny came back but with constant chopping and changing of players I am sarting to lose faith in him.
YNWA JFT96
Dave
Did u watch the game??, the attitude was ok, the performance was ok created lots of chances but yet again no end product, obviously you didnt watch it, as if you had spero wouldnt be in the line up for the final, he was quite poor last night
Wouldn't play Spearing he's just not good enough. I've got an idea why don't we play a central midfielder we paid a lot of money for in the summer ie Henderson. Failing that then play Shelvey
Spearing was poor but Gerrard plays with much more freedom knowing Spearing is sitting back. We bloody miss Lucas !
Play the same team that destroyed Norwich with ease.....
Curled2
You haven't factored in Hendo. Irrespective of how useless he is, he's Kenny's boy, and he will start. He has all season.
Hendo is poor in the mid as his is out on the right
02 May 2012 13:44:18
Doni - made a good save, but haven't seen enough of him this season to say whether he is good enough or not. Whether he stays or not, I don't really care. Bigger problems at hand.
Kelly - promising. Decent game, good season, good at getting forward but needs to work on end product. Definitely keep.
Coates - at fault for letting Dempsey slip in and have a free shot at Doni which he saved well. Will learn from experience, hope we hold on to him.
Skrtel - by and large our most dependable player this season, unlucky yesterday. Need him desperately next season.
Aurelio - if he didn't have a master cross on him, he wouldn't be a professional. he must be gone in the summer
Henderson - we will hold on to him and hope he improves. another disappointing performance, lacked any spark, and by and large has had a sub-par season. Has had brief and few moments of class and I hope he can materialise some more substantial consistency in the seasons to come.
Shelvey - championship player. Frustrating and arrogant. Can hit a pass 40 yards, but then go and blaze a free kick or an unchallenged volley woefully high and wide frequently. Naive and not good enough. And has the demeanour to suggest it's anybody else's fault but his. His only goal was against Oldham, says it all. Sell him to Blackpool.
Spearing - Rudimentary player. Would thrive at a 'Bolton' type club. He wouldnt want to leave though, and I'd rather have players that want to play for the club and admittedly under perform, than players that have no desire to play for the club and are equally as disappointing. Never gives up, never lets his head go down, but whether he can contribute anything largely substantial to help us meet our targets is more and more doubtful. I had high hopes for him, and hope that he does recover form. His desperation to do well for the club he clearly loves often clouds his better judgement, if he can address that issue, he would be a good squad player to have.
Maxi - Moments of genius every now and again, but he is a finished article. got to move on
Carroll - I thought he put in a decent shift last night. But he really needs better supply than what we saw last night. A player with his assets needs the team to play to those assets, otherwise it becomes a pointless exercise.
Kuyt - All the diligence in the world, but what is it worth when it all boils down to nothing? Has the experience to help upcoming players, but lacks the finesse to be a regular in the team next season. Let him move on if he wants to.
What went wrong last night?
Kenny spoke about attitude. Anyone who has been watching us this season will suggest that our play has been better than our league position suggests. Prior to the game, Kenny called for the team to focus on getting the result rather than the beauty of our moves. As a result, the moves lacked any fruition and Andy got toss all supply, to put it succinctly. This season, we have played some wonderful stuff, the only missing puzzle piece is the end product. Yesterday though, it was completely different. None of the intricacy we have seen this season, none of the style we have expressed, and I think that probably derailed the team.
As for the cup final, at the very least at least we have caught Chelsea at a worse for wear time. We simply need to play the way we have all season, but with more conviction in the finish. Luck has been very much against us, but you can only play it down to that so much. Be a bit more fearless, get Shelvey's confidence/arrogance/call it what you want and put it into Henderson's ability and you have a wonderful player.
We haven't seen the same leadership in Steven Gerrard this season, Carragher has shown his age, big signings haven't held their nerve, young players lack composure, fans expect too much, players have worn their frustration as clear as a flag.
The one thing I advice you to notice, is does Kenny ever show any signs of pressure? I'd argue not. Sure, he gets a bit defensive towards nosey interviewers, but that's his old school style. When we lose he takes it on the chin, and he is always optimistic about the next game. He makes a dry joke and shakes it off like the expert he is.
WE have nothing to lose now. Let's go out on Sunday and give it everything.
Mr controversy
Sunday??? isnt it on sat, think you may miss the game
Better to give it everything on SATURDAY.
SUNDAY IT WILL BE TOO LATE:((((
kidmillions
Completely disagree about Shelvey
Don't you mean on Saturday ?
JP
I agree with you on most points. Except that you forgot to point out that Coates has been taking passing lessons from Carra.......his forward passing consists of a massive lob down field in no particular direction.
Shelvey, championship player? Proves how blind you are and how little you know about football.
AnfieldUSA
Must be an Aussie poster...FA cup is on 2am Sunday...
02 May 2012 13:34:39
Can someone confirm why Glen Johnson might be leaving? Do our coaching staff not rate him or something?
He's not leaving. We play with 2 holding midfielders when everyone is fit? Which allows us to have 2 attacking fullbacks.
Sometimes these fullbacks can be accused of not being great defenders but in truth Johnson and Enrique are both superb players when the team is set up correctly ie defensive mids covering their bursts upfield. Most top sides in Europe prefer to play this way. The days of the old fashioned inconsistent winger are long gone. Two of the best modern day wingers in Robben and Adam Johnson fluctuate in and out of their teams.
Robben in particular is a superb player but is inconsistent at club level.
It's no coincidence that Johnson and Enrique have suffered loss of form without Lucas and Adam covering.
kidmillions
Money, get rid of some of the wage bill
I think it is a problem to do with his contract and the amount of daft clauses in it plus the 90 grand he gets payed per week
Brisc93
02 May 2012 13:17:52
In my opinion 4 perfect signings during the sumer would be Adam Johnson, M'Vila, Munain and Edinson Cavani. Would be possible to get them all for £85 million, all world class, much better options than what we signed last year
Cheers YNWA
Daffy duck, goofy and bugs bunny would be better options than what we got now.
Whether or not it is possible to get them for £85 million is irrelevant when you don't have £85 million
2 Inconsistent wingers out the 4 players proposed. mmm No.
kidmillions
Daffy duck, goofy and bugs bunny would be better options than what we got now.
THOUGHT WE'D ALREADY SIGNED THEM!
Cavani has options at chelsea city and madrid why would he join liverpool? Another poor season another year with no champions league ,just a laughing stock now
Please give your head a wobble
Liam
Or messi, ronaldo, neymar and lucas
My very own appraisal on these players...
AC/Daffy Duck...Somewhat short sighted perhaps a more fitting career would have been a pole dancer (he has a penchant for the goal posts etc...)
Shelvey/Goofy ...A tad out of his depth (and has Mickey mouse written all over him...)
LS/Bugs Bunny...Fits and starts...and language issues causing mayhem...(Leaving an odour trail reminiscent of Pepe le Pew...)
Just saying like...:)
Blue247
02 May 2012 13:14:26
Anybody know what the situation is for the waiting list for cup final tickets?
My mate was about 630 something on the waiting list and got a call this morning.
I'm 674 and havent heard anything yet.
I'm a nervous wreck!
Anyone know if they've all gone?
Joe
Yea they aint letting scousers in!
02 May 2012 13:03:23
We'll probably get beaten twice by Chavski.
Still, with football you never know?
Lowest place in the league since 1954. When we were relegated.
Always look on the bright side of life, da da, da da da da, da da
SHED END
Do we hear the distinct sound of squeaky boots ????
Read the OP...thats RS for.........
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeak
So many muppets...so little time
Blue247
02 May 2012 12:58:34
Will someone please tell me what Henderson and Downing bring to the team cos Im baffled! And to think their joint fee was around 35m!
I keep saying the same thing,they bring nothing to the team but i bet kenny will still play them against chelsea???
You should ask Kenny he must sees something coz he keeps picking them every game.
I disagree. Henderson will replace Gerrard in the future and Downing is even better than expected. And that wee Jay got alot of Liv' Pool spirit in him. Carra too.....
K. Dalglish
He has to play them. He bought them. He has to show faith.
02 May 2012 12:53:25
i still believe in KD. he needs time to work on a brocking team. no manager came to Liverpool and won trophies straight away, he needs time, i cant see any other manager coming in and turning us around, let me know if u agree
Jay Irish red
Sorry jay but what planet are u on stay off the funnys lad
I ubderstand what you are saying but ask youself one question... Do you trust KK with more money, im not so sure I would. The only way around it for me is to ban KK from any say in transfers and just have him coach the side and get in a DOF who knows when and where to shop.
Get kenny out he will only get us relagated next season
"you have been warned"
Sorry Jay you need to wake up and take of those rose tinted glasses,i wouldnt give kenny another 10 min in charge and i would not let kenny any near the transfer funds"EVER"
02 May 2012 12:42:51
I think it's time for the rose tinted glasses to come off now,I like many were overjoyed when Kenny came back and replaced Hodgson he brought stability,unity and pride back into our club I thought like many this season would be at least top 4 yes we won the Carling Cup and Yes we could win the F.A Cup but really deep down the league has been shameful and last night was embarrassing,I remember the song The Liver Bird Upon my chest some of these players do not understand the honor and privilege it is to play for LFC,I believe it's time for Kenny to step down and step into an ambassadors role for the club bring in a fresh young manager with new ideas, I'm trying to think were it all went wrong many will blame Suarez but home form has been evident all season,we should of got a striker in Jan a poacher fox in box Jelavic would of done but no we persisted with what we had and NOW we are reaping the consequences, I would sell Downing tomorrow he offers nish nada Henderson will come good but we need a new Gerard figure,Shelvey will come good ,Spearing tries not good enough ,Kuyt thanks for your service God bless,Maxi the same,there has to be change! That has been Liverpools problem we had visionaries at the club if we would of listened to them we would of been the Man United now,But I believe the owners do want us to succeed bless ya loads Liam
United are very much the result stability. They came through initially tough periods with SAF and allowed him time to set up structures. If you keep changing manager's without a bottomless bucket of funds, then you will end up, where we are. Kenny, in this case, needs time.
AK
02 May 2012 12:25:04
I really hope that any business that is done this summer in the transfer window, as reguards players coming in, have some pace and are willing runners.
To many games is season the starting line up has had to many slow players who are not willing to get in behind defenders or run from midfield to link up with attacks.
Liverpool always play better when they have more of these players in the starting 11 Sureaz, Bellamy, Gerrard, Downing. But more often then not the starting 11 has to many of the following players Henderson, Spearing, Carroll, Kuyt.
Last night all was a prime example with no pace or movement from the players.
Basil
They lack skill to the required level. Just being able to run fast is nothing without skill.
I wouldn't say that Suarez, Van Persie, Rooney,Tevez or even Aguero are particularly fast? Speed of thought Yes! Just skilful footballers playing at the right level. We have a couple of shysters pretending to be good players and unbalancing the whole project.
kidmillions
Kidmillions,
I would say Suarez, Van Persie, Rooney,Tevez have some decent pace as for Aguero he's the fastest No9 in the league.
We need player with pace & skills
When teams park the bus skill and speed of thought are more important than pace.
That was the point I was trying to make.
Man for man last night against Fulham we were a lot quicker than them.
Unfortunately although they are quite a slow side they were more skilful.
kidmillions
Pace counts for a lot. It stretches defences, and makes defenders tired. Then you score late in the game.
That is what United have been doing for 20 years.
Just skill without pace can be useless, since the opposing team can just park the bus.
See Barcelona vs. Chelsea.
02 May 2012 12:24:52
Considering the starting eleven were playing for a place in the FA cup final squad I would say only 2/3 of them even deserve to get on the coach.
Carroll - Did well with what was thrown his way, did you see how hard he was working when Aurellio was on the ball because his crossing is spot on
Shelvey - At least he was not afraid to try something different. Think he will become a really good player.
Doni - didn't think much of him until last night quite good back up in my eyes even if his is probably off at the end of the season.
The rest looked uninterested as though they were resigned to not playing on Saturday. Not good enough they should be busting a gut to play for the club no matter if you are playing Fulham in and end of season game or Chelsea in an FA cup final.
It has to mean more!
James
What did Carroll do? to make you think he did well.
Carrol did play well, he tried a lot harder to win the ball on numerous occasions and succeeded as well unlike in previous outings, doni was good, coates was excellent and showed why he should be in front of carra and shelvy stood out in midfield as well, the rest, well, the less said the better.
huddz red
Trying hard should be a given really but lack of class is not really for Liverpool Football Club.
Not Carroll's fault by the way but we need to progress from this season. He will be better suited to a lower level with less pressure on his limited skills.
kidmillions
What do you mean what did he do?? Every half decent chance we had came from him winning headers if only there were some faster thinking players around him to reach. I still believe he is one for the future. He is definatly a better player that he was and a run of games would see him improve further.
James
Carrol did play well, he tried -
Do or do not - there is no try - Yoda
02 May 2012 12:15:15
Can we play the Final at Anfield lads?
SHED END
Can we play the final at Stamford Bridge as we have beaten you there twice already this season?
JRG
That way, you may just sell out your 6,000 allocation.
The Real KB
You beat AVB's Chelsea, not RDM's, different ball game, we'll smash you at Wembley and Anfield two days later and every single one of you knows it
SHED END
RDM's Chelsea ?
Lol.
It's Roman and JT who picks your team isn't it Shed ?
If Bayern beat you, RDM will be getting in his BMW and going to his nearest DHS to sign on.
The Real KB
I have copied and saved your post, Shed. We'll wait and see the outcome of the final - maybe we'll have the cup and meet you in the Europa league next season. Singred
"You beat AVB's Chelsea, not RDM's"
Oh I'm sorry, does that not count then? When are replay's scheduled?
And don't forget Roy Hodgson saved WBA from relegation when he took over from RDM!
JRG
It's a big pitch Wembley and not really suited to the older player; drogba no doubt will be having a few lie downs during the course of the game to help in this matter :):):):)
kidmillions
Benitez beat Mourinho's Chelsea, Hodgson beat Carlo's Chelsea and Kenny beat AvBs Chelsea - so where is your logic Shed?
....And currently it's Terry & Lampard's Chelsea, let's be honest now....
Lee YNWA
Yeah you know, like last season you were all so eager to drop the Hodgsons Liverpool and become Queen Kens Liverpool, or does that not apply to you because youve got 5 stars? Pathetic
SHED END
My logic is you havent beat RDM's Chelsea yet, can you not grasp that? Going off your logic you've been better than us for the last 6 or 7 years if you beat us all the time then with your might top 7 finishes haha, and Lee you say it like you are not Carra and Gerrards Liverpool, at least Lamps and Terry can still perform, Carra and SG are shoe ins and they give nothing
SHED END
We'll see who gets smashed mate
Shmickles
Jt has been past it for a long time, well when he gets his huge ban next season he may just be ur manager,
Are you Chelsea fans are not even that supportive to build their own banter page ?
Go Cry somewhere else SHRED(DED) Chicken..
Live-On-Pool
Can we keep shed end? he's amusing...
02 May 2012 12:06:54
Last week I listed 4 players we should look at, not all on the normal lists that appear on here.
Leroy Fer and De jong from Twente
Philips from Blackpool
and the young Swiss Lad Karim Frei from Fulham, he has allready played over 20 games for them and is only 18, surely worth a gamble? get him on a long term contract at a good price and leave him at Fulham to develop and gain experience for a year or 2. He could be close to 100 games by the time we bring him back at 20.
About the age some of our Kids are looking at there first starts.
RNred
02 May 2012 12:04:44
I still believe in the manager, as for the players though, I have serious doubts. The impression I got last night was that of a team with no passion, of players who had resigned themselves to the fact that they were leaving the club or that they had no chance of playing for their Cup-final place...regardless of performance. One thing I did notice was that of the lack of any pace in the team and for that I will blame the manager. It say's it all when a slow Fulham side are comfortable. Overall, I can't remember being as disappointed after a game as I was last night. Hopefully this is the season for a clear-out.
P.s An Enrique with Aurellios crossing ability would be nice.
DaveyBootle (a sick red)
B hell. Glad I missed out on that one last night.
Football should come with a health warning. That's probably knocked six months off your lifespan Davey.
The Real KB
Too right, I read a comment on another site blaming Kenny for all the times we've hit the post this season! Regardless if he signed them, these players played well for their previous clubs, they need to stand up and take responsibility on the pitch
Ha, yeah. People paid good money last night for a load of rubbish. Disgraceful.
DaveyBootle
Fact. rab c dalglish bought them,fact. rab c dalglish motivates them,fact. rab c dalglish decides tactics.now that is a fact
Fact. Three players had decent games, Carrol, Coates and Doni. Fact. Kenny signed these players. Fact. Some of the players Kenny signed last night had rubbish games. Fact. Some of the players that Kenny DIDN'T buy were shabite. Fact. So, to get your facts right.
DaveyBootle
P.s An Enrique with Aurellios crossing ability would be nice.
Finnan...sadly he's no longer in our team...
02 May 2012 12:03:24
Bring back Rafa in the summer..Then Alonso will return with him.. But people should show much more respect towards King Kenny..
@irishred1892 {Ed001's Note - how would bringing Rafa back mean Alonso would return?}
This is the Alonso Rafa tried to sell which annoyed Alonso?
We should get Guardiola. I'm sure if he comes then Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Pique will come with him!
Ell.
Alonso would come back to kill rafa
Alonso and rafa didnt see eye to in the last season b4 alonso split because rafa tried to flog him off 2 seasons previous for that dickhead at city,so wud hardly think that bringin rafa back wud bring alonso back but i wud also love to see both back at liverpool as well mate!
fagan81
02 May 2012 11:52:33
u seen this ed?
world's best-paid sports teams
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/01052012/58/liga-barcelona-world-best-paid-players.html
3m a year! not good
02 May 2012 11:47:52
role on saturday.that is all...dave d
02 May 2012 11:46:52
this team is s*** the f****** player,s our crap time to face it you guys we need help from the board give us leadership give us a team that we an be proud of and a leader
02 May 2012 11:16:56
Morning eds could ed 01 tell the boards who he would like to see signed?
Many thanks
Long live the king {Ed001's Note - realistically? A striker, Llorente would be first choice but that is highly unlikely, so someone with pace, not sure who to be honest. I haven't seen anyone that has really stood out for me this season. A right winger, again I haven't really seen one that has stood out this season, but Matty Phillips is a player with a hell of a lot of potential.}
What about Matt Jarvis from Wolves as a right winger would love the chance to carry on playing in the premiership and has pace, would also be cheap, saving money for a big name striker to join.
Basil
Matt Jarvis is poor. My uncle is a Wolves season ticket holder, and the only player he rates at Wolves is Steven Fletcher.
RedSG
Thanks for the reply ed001. It really was a shame Bilbao turned down the offer we made for him with theTorres money!
I would personally take Adam Johnson for the RW and let's hope our scouts find a blinding striker who dosn't cost the world.
Long live the lion king
02 May 2012 11:09:48
Robben,canvani,benzema,lavezzi lol this site is getting ridiculous all you little people get back on your playstations dreamers!!!please post this in rumours
Seriously people are deluded if they think these sorts of players are coming to our club.
RedSG
Nobody is saying we are Ive seen more of these posts than posts saying lets get cavani let it go
02 may 2012 10:47:31
morning macca.
any truth fsg have weilded the sword in the boardroom, 2 more sacked?
ynwa
piddy.
02 May 2012 11:59:54
more sackings at liverpool lfc {Ed001's Note - please don't try and put in links to the Fail on here!}
I read it on the official site last night Ed I did not know it came from the Fail. LFC.tv had it as news not rumours.
Apology's mate, If that's were the story originated from. I just read it of the official site.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Know who Blair?
Piddy.
02 May 2012 10:46:35
Guys, have you noticed out of our glorious 49 points,
we have gathered a total of 24 at Anfield. This fact says it all. Our home results have not nothing short of embarassing. We have gathered MORE points AWAY than at Home.
Lets hope the management realises that we are at least a good 15 home points short of our target. And the only thing to blame for is the wholesale wasting of goalscoring chances by our players which resulted in a series of draws and losses.
So what you are saying is ...after all the cr@p you lot have had at home this season... KD is totally blameless ??
No kidding I mean honestly ...how deluded and blinkered can a person get...
Wake up you mug !
This place sure has it's brainless wonders:(
Blue247
Says the blue on here, maybe you should be on your own page, come the summer when bids come in for jelavic n spurs sell pienaar to lfc n not to mention fellani moving. it will be moyes bashing time , this is the worst we will ever be ,last time u av finished above us we were crowned kings of europe, and this year we will stick 2 cups in the sky rocket, now back to your page
5gold stars
Well spotted and thanks for pointing that out,I wouldn't have known otherwise.
''And the only thing to blame for is the wholesale wasting of goalscoring chances by our players ''
The operative and key word here Homer is ''ONLY''
I love the naivety as much as the stupidity ...:-O
Blue247
Blue247:
0-2
3-0
2-1
Nice try, maybe next time!
Ell.
02 May 2012 10:43:03
Hi Eds,
How much longer can kenny remain at the club. He has fast become the worst manager in liverpools PL history. Do you think the FA cup is what the owners really want and surely the league is what he is judged on and soon we will be 9th. What a joke he was never my choice i never wanted him back and now look at the table.
Souness won the FA cup! This could be worst Anfield season in history. Kenny has broken all our transfer spending records. The target was clear TOP 4. Kenny returned and has proved an epic failure his tenure has caused deep damage. There is no way he can remain at the club in any capacity let alone manager!
TIME TO GO...
02 May 2012 10:41:59
Also i am gutted for roy hodgson the press have been awful. I believe if kenny had come in first and lifted the club then roy came in after our league position would be better.
Scouse ben
Hodgson no good what big player would waent to join us with him, kenny will be there next get used to it hopefully with few in and take half the chances we made last year top 4 will be ours !!
Mate roy is a nice bloke and I wish him well but the football was awful, the long ball might actually work in a Cup comp so might get a result at international level but it ain't nice to watch and it was destroying lfc, he's a defensive coach so you could say goodbye to any creative talent we might have in the side of he'd stayed.
Under Roy our football was boring and very defensive...at least at times we play attacking football with Kenny
02 May 2012 10:37:19
We should be in a position to play Basically a second starting XI and beat fulham. The players lacked passion and quality, things have to change.
I think we are going to need another overhaul this summer but I do believe some of the underperforming players could play much better under a different manager especially if you look at the signings comolli made at tottenham.
I cant see Daglish Bringing Long Term Success at Liverpool Especially as hes had 3 transfer windows and weve still got issues with our squad how long have we been moaning about needing a rw and Striker. We all know where we need strenghting and yet we dont. roll on next year
I dont agree to be honest. They have players like Dempsey, Dembele, Pogrebnyak, Frei. They are very talented players and we should show more respect to a very good footballing team who are now level on points with us.
KiwiRed
Maybe five years ago, but not now.
I don't think many teams could play a ''second string'' 11 against Martin Jol's Fulham and be sure to get the three points from beating Fulham.
That's either a pig headed view you hold, or you are seriously deluded.
Have to agree, last night was a bad night no passion shown, do they not understand that they had a chance to shine last night to be considered for Saturday! I would do anything just to play at Anfield for 5 minutes and these guys get paid and don't care. So annoying. However on a bright note Sterling looked fab, pity they didn't have him on earlier, put in two great accurate crosses for ponytail man, and thats the supply that ponytail man needs to score. This Liverpool team has the ability to be brilliant but it seems that some players are only interested in big money and not pride in the jersey. Also not Kenny bashing but it is time to review the current situation in early summer i think most people know the outcome. Sorry for the long winded post. Noel C
Another overhaul? So you expect instant success after doing that every year, this never happened at Chelsea or Man City, took a few years to get where they did.
So you dont think any of the big 6 Could beat fulham with a second XI and given the fact weve never lost to fulham at home its not much to ask
02 May 2012 10:33:11
Kenny is probably the worst manager in the PL. The wolves manager has better tactics then kenny.He has a win percentage that would make shanks turn in he's grave.
Worse in the PL.......seems a bit harsh considering hes one of only a handful of managers to atually win the premier league.
I don't think he's the man to take us forward regretabbly, but lets not forget who is he and what he has done for this football club.
Andy H
02 May 2012 10:27:46
Do US Liverpool fans actually step back and look at ourselves, we sound so bitter about everything and everyone ! Granted it has been a very indifferent season however we are at 2 Cup Finals. Did any Liverpool fan really think that we would finish in Top 4 if so you are dillusional. I am however surprised that we havent finished 6th/7th but I would take 2 Cup wins over 5th/6th place. Lets get behind the manager and the team !
Lpool86
We are angry about what we see on the pitch which is hapless and hopeless going backwards
But last night proved that our squad is very poor, lots of dead wood and confidence is very low.
Weve beaten exeter oldham and brighton in those games also, weve won a few one off games against good sides , the league doesnt lie n relates to how good you are over an extended period of time
5gold stars
Can we all calm down, last night's performance was not great but alot of the players in that team are A) on their way out B) Youngsters C) Probs conserving energy for Saturday.
The season has not been great yet we have one cup, chance for another and Europa league footbal guaranteed. We have been playing good football.
A few decent signings and we will be in a good position for next season.
Long live the king
Cardiff (Npower mediocrity ) embarrassed you in the Carling Cup...
Lets face it for 133 mill. LFC should have done a lot better...
And who but RS would bet against CFC in the FA Cup final ?
If you actually think after last nights debacle ...that LFC looks a healthy
prospect...
Then buddy you aint got a clue !
This site is amazing...edit: nope bloody incredible :(
Blue247
Ha
"Cardiff (Npower mediocrity ) embarrassed you in the Carling Cup."
Blue247 you just proved your a moron, teams put in big performances in the final but then again you wouldn't know about that being an Everton fan and they did not embarass us at all, they matched us on the day to be fair.
Oh and how many player form last night do you think'll start at the weekend ? (you could answer or you could worry about your own team)
Sad face to end the post? I guess that sad face is because this site is "bloody incredible" but the everton one is crap. Hence why your always here mate.
KiwiRed
Well everton were dispatched 3 times and one being the big f,a cup semi, plus pienaar will be the modern nick barmby !!
5gold stars
Cardiff embarrassed us in the carling cup.....
We embarrassed you twice in the League and once in the FA cup SEMI FINAL. You do the maths :)
Getting angry with another teams fan because he points out our weaknesses is fine , as long as you can upstage him with facts..................and i'm sorry to say you made him look clever instead, we looked second rate in the CC final so get your facts right !
Livvybird
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''YOU DO THE MATHS''
There you go Einstein :)))))RATFLFAO
I just cannot fall out of luuuuv with this forum...
So many muppets ...so little time :)
Blue247
You've missed out the 6th teams above you minty , unless I missed the meeting were 7th became the new 1st. its all a bit Ipswich / Norwich for my liking. 7th or 8th its still sh*te
I will look forward to seeing the Everton dvd of the season in the shops over the summer. Epic fail that your idea of success revolves around finishing above us in the league.
It may be 7 and 8 pal, but as you are 8 and not 7, well I guess this gives you more of a reason to feel bitter.
what a chump !
Jawannatoffee
02 May 2012 10:14:08
I was talking to two different sets of swedes at the match last night I asked the obvious question Rasmussen elm one of them said frighteningly he's no seb Larsen I knew what he meant but asked him he's better or worse worse and laughed
So do you believe elm is worse as i do
There are many other players who we should be looking to sign before we even consider signing ANOTHER central midfielder!
RedSG
02 May 2012 10:00:54
hi eds awful performance last night no passion or desire by most players but thought carroll played well and looked very sharp and put himself around alot
Did you really? How many times did he test the keeper? I remember one attack, it came to him in the box he shaped to shoot with his left (sold the defender) turned inside but then his touch was so heavy he could only toe poke it towards the corner flag with his right from inside the six yard box. If you think that's good enough for the level we require? Well you don't know football. As you go up in levels in football it's less and less about workrate which should be a given; it's all about skill.
kidmillions
02 May 2012 10:12:26
word of warning ...long post, lot to say after a long time!
after last nights debacle, i have to wonder, has KK lost control of the dressing room?
having been in management myself for over 20+ years, that is exactly how it looks to me as the players did not seem up for it or able to execute the plan against a very average fulham side.
with an FA cup final on sat, some of the players should have been busting a gut to give a good account to try and get in the squad, at the very least.
yet all i saw was a tepid and uninspiring match f the lowest quality. the motivation has to come from the top, and although KK is passionate about the reds it was glaringly obvious throughout the game that the players (bar 2-3) did not share the same feeling.
as one of the eds pointed out, this may be to with them thinking it will make no difference, as the team/squad is already selected and there may some legs on this (aurelio, doni, kelly, coates, spearing) but even so, to think 7-8 players were not interested is quite alarming and speaks volumes about the managers ability to motivate. which leads me to my next point.
below is the team that started the last game of 2009 season, when we finished 2nd under Rafa. we couldn't win the league and in truth had nothing to play for (already qualified for CL) yet we still won 3-1
Pepe Reina
Jamie Carragher
Daniel Agger
Fabio Aurelio
Martin Skrtel
Steven Gerrard
Javier Mascherano
Xabi Alonso
Dirk Kuyt
Fernando Torres
Yossi Benayoun
7 out of that 11 are still at anfield.
take 4 from (assuming all fit) - enrique, johnson, lucas, maxi, bellamy, suarez, carroll, adam, hendo, downing, jonjo, and you've not got a bad team really, granted difficult to replace Xabi, but even so still formidable.
so what's the problem? why can't this group of players perform to that same level?
the difference is Rafa and his ability to motivate and have a strategy. or at the least, have plan B if plan A isn't working. KK has no plan B.
Rafa undertood that the CL was everything, yes he wanted to win every game he played in but we can all recount how he obsessed when it came to CL matches. he was a genius at work, out-thinking some of europes best teams (how many english teams have gone to the nou camp and WON?)
he thought/knew that by being in the CL we would have some money to compete with chelski, manpoo. and bar his last season in charge, he always achieved it.
for all you Rafa doubters, were we playing such bad/negative football, that we finished 2nd? i know which i'd rather have.
the following season, when we finished 7th, you have to understand the political context of the situation, with rafa on one side and hicks, gillet and the rbs cronies on the other. he was always going to lose that battle.
many come on here saying Rafa bought crap players, yet 2 thirds of his team is still playing today.
yes he had some bad buys, but given the circumstances (H&G) he was often scrapping around at 3rd/4th choice, which tended to be free's. the last season he was in charge, he'd lined up silva and villa only to be rebuffed at the last by H&G who used the money to pay the interest.
excluding robbie Keane - which i believe wasn't his buy - he always spent well when given significant investment. which brings me back to KK.
why is KK so immune from the poor signings he's made? £35m on an injured player...? beats even rafa's record for aquillani! and he's come out and said all the signings were his not commolli's, so where/how do we rate his?
adam - poor, downing - poor, hendo - ok, Carroll - poor. only bellamy and enrique take some credit. and i believe suarez was already on the cards as a roy buy but even if i allow KK this, still an overall poor return on investment.
there are only 3 ways to accurately assess this season - the league and the 2 cups.
won one cup, final of another and currently 8th in the league. so in that regard i'd say that was c+/b-.
However and this is the thing, the MAIN objective this season, as stated by ALL of the top tier at LFC was CL qualification. and in this regard we have failed miserably, we're not even close.
i'm all for winning cups (how many of the other teams wouldn't want to be in our position?) but the reality is that when we lose at home to wigan, west brom, fulham plus i've lost count of the draws, it simply is not good enough. and the blame has to lie fairly and squarely at KK's door and his buys.
i respect him for what he has done for us over all these years and as such, would not expect any disrespect with abuse. merely with facts. and the facts point to a massive step backwards in the league and no closer to CL football.
And as i alluded to at the beginning, i think he has lost the dressing room, as they know he is on the way out.
he will see out the last few games and then be asked to step aside, with health as a 'get-out'.
if we finish with 2 cups then he can say he didn't do too bad and in time we will thank him too. but reality is as a company director myself, i wouldn't trust him with another £20,30 or 40m (whatever may be available) as his buys have been poor, his handling of the media even more so (often i have cringed at the screen)
for me there is only one logical choice.
regardless of what many say, i believe that Rafa should be brought back to achieve the goal of CL qualification as a minimum, with a challenge for the top a close 2nd.
he's passionate about the club, probably only 2nd to KK, he's knows how to take on wenger, fergie et all and he will, with these owners, buy the calibre of players we've all been crying out for. and his record in that regard is pretty good...
for me, it's no brainer....BRING BACK BENITEZ!
SINNER21
I really do agree kk not the man i think rafa the man but how do we as fans get the owners to realize instead of shouting kennys name we need to shout rafas name or make a huge banner for rafa. STEMLOCC1
Rafa had one decent season in the league. the other seasons we were miles behind the eventual winners so whats the difference?
Decent post but with major flaws.rafa also wasted millions on bad signings,hes not the tactical genius you make him out to be,lfc could have won the league with rafa,and the 06 (i think) cl final against milan but for poor tactics.you have also fallen into the usual trap lfc supporters fall into by mentioning cl as a minimum and challenging for the league or at least finnishing 2nd,no disrespect to lfc but those goals you have set will not be acheivable by 2 of the current top 6 next year and only partially acheivable by 2 more, bearing in mind those 6 teams are streets ahead of lfc at the moment, and those 6 teams are starting to strengthen already for next seasons campaign i think you are way of the mark.like it or not lfc is a shadow of there glorious past and are not the powerhouse they once where,the money isnt there and you as a company director surely must agree that lfc due to previous mis management are in a poor financial state which will take years to turn around.with the youth policy lfc has now adopted (just like arsenal) because of financial constraints,lfc will have to walk before they can run for several years and will need time and patience by the supporters and owners,as for taking on fergie,im all for that,but rafa failed at that with the "FACT" show, as for wenger i dont know what you are on about,they were friendly and as far as i am aware are actually friends.as i said your post was good until the last few paragraphs when that old cherry "dellusional" reared its head again.
Rafa would be worse than Kenny. We need to stop asking for old players back, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres etc. And stop asking For Rafa, we need to find new players who can be better than the above mentioned and if we change managers we wont a high press attacking style of football. Not a 'bore you to death trying to nick a goal on the break' style we emplyed for the most part under Rafa.
KiwiRed
KD out but defo not Rafa in
SL
Rafa was also happy for just top 4 and would play a weakened side in the Prem before a CL game.
I don't want that. I want us to win Trophy's playing attractive football, our form in the Prem this season is disappointing and that's putting it mildly.
The fact is though that we have a chance of winning 2 out of the 3 tournaments we entered and with all the on and off the pitch problems factored in. To win 2 trophy's would be some achievement.
2 of last seasons buys Carroll and Downing will have to go in the Summer to help finance 3 skilful players 2 goalscorers and midfield player.
kidmillions
Ha! your reply was had some sense with substance of the reality, until you spelt delusional wrong!
just to respond to your one-long-paragraph...
who introduced the youth policy? who brought over 2 of the most respected coaches from Barca's academy and also brought KK back in to the fold..? RAFA! so all this talk of youth, its down to him as are many of the players coming through.
the taking on fergie, wenger et al refers to on the ptich, not off. rafa was/is, after mourinho and wenger, the only other manager to get under fergies collar. as a liverpool fan, that alone should get you going! and by definiton, you're not an lfc supporter.
as for the 'fact' show, he was merely pointing out what everyone else was thinking, namely fergie takes the piss out of the FA, refs and media but didn't have the bottle to say. did it interfere with the season? possibly, but i still respect him for saying it, as did kenny to be fair in the luis matter.
without Cl football, the resources to compete become v limited until we have a new stadium. and to finance 9long term) a new stadium we must be in the CL - simple! also if you look at the top 6 excl newcastle (who are over achieving), they have all invested heavily over last 3-4yrs with the exception of arsenal. in short to compete in the new uefa rules we must be in the CL each year. rafa did that, kenny's had 2 shouts and nowhere near.
tactically Rafa is right up there. my understanding is that he 'devised' the 4-2-3-1 formation, which when attacking becomes 4-2-4 and when defending becomes 4-5-1, very fluid. there's also this concept that rafa played bore draws? news to me! the 4-0 against Real a bore draw?
just like KK he made mistakes but if you look through his time, he was building towards the goal and yes but for a few draws we would have won the league.
i personally believe that given the right level of investment going forward he would have succeeded.
KK has had the investment yet we are waaaay off the top 4, so begs the question, what would Rafa do in same position? i know this much he wouldn't have sold torres and bought a no name for £35m!
as for winning 2 cups, well we've not won the 2nd yet but god willing we will.
even so, will that help erase the league form since january? not for me. we would be 2nd bottom i believe.
all it tells me is that in a one-off game we can win, but over a sustained period we are severly lacking in players and in tactics.
i love KK and i must admit i'm very upset that its not working out in the league. but fact is fact and KK has bought badly in one go and it has cost us (whereas Rafa bought the odd bad player per season). that along with his over the top rotation thereby not allowing any consistency, has put us where we are in the league.
for me Rafa is the soluiton as he won't take time to settle in (he already knows the surroundings) and he knows most of the players. with 3-4 Quality additions i believe we can get back on track.
those commenting without signing off, tells me one of 2 things...you're not really a true fan or you're an infiltrator.
either way you're a coward!
Sinner21
02 May 2012 10:05:27
last night against fulham was a real shocker how can any football team have so many untalented unmotivated worthless players baying for a fa cup place is beyond me .
even the comentary on lfc tv was awful.
as a lifelong liverpool fan i have never had such soul ache than i have had this past 4 months not even when the hodge at the helm.
sterling showed he wanted to play good lad we have there hope we keep him.
totally shameful performance last night we need players who atleast have some pride and who can pass a good ball to our team did you see jay spearing totally disgusting by most last night looked like poor kenny had been poleaxed he deserves more from them lot last night .
lets do the bizz on saturday to romans pensioners .
be well all sorry for the rant mal1960
Sorry, but Sterling was rubbish last night and proved to me that the other players carry him when he does start ion the first eleven
Sterling only played for 10 min,he has done more than downing and henderson all season in that 10 minutes.you know nothing about football.
I think the poster meant Spearing not Sterling...hehe
02 May 2012 10:03:52
To the fans on here who believe Spearing is good enough even to be a squad player,watch last night game and then explain to me one strength the lad has.Heart, he has passion, he loves the club.All true but he showed all them strengths last night, but he still stunk.
His pointing is second to none
Gaz
Same applies to KD
I am still trying to work out why Conor Coady has not had any game time in Lucas' absence. He looks a much better fit for the holding role than Spearing ever will. Spearing would not get in any of the top 6/7 teams yet he has played a lot of games for us this season. People will go on about the attributes you've mentioned, but none of those things have an effect on your quality.
RedSG
Can't think of a single Prem side Spearing would be a regular.
kidmillions
I agree mate he seems like a hard working player and try his best,but he's best is not good enough at this level...shame really coz u like to see a good scouse lad come through....dave d
He's a wool from wallasey
02 May 2012 10:02:37
Hello Ed002,
do you think that FA Cup final result and the last matches in EPL will have any influence on KK future or the decisions have already been taken? {Ed002's Note - I doubt it will change anything but it does not mean decisions have been taken.}
02 May 2012 10:02:05
news just in .......... ashton kutcher has just took off his jordan henderson mask.
5gold stars
Lame.
KiwiRed
Whats the joke? 5gold stars please come back & explain... 'cos at this point I'm thinking you're a bit weird.
Well basically ashton kutcher is the punk machine n i think weve been punkd by henderson on the beleif he can play football
5gold stars
So if u have the explain the joke it cant be very funny then
02 May 2012 10:01:16
Only Carrol and Coates played half decent games last night. Carrol won a big percentage of his headers but there was no one running on from midfield to help him. If Carrol is going to play you need better players than Maxi and Kuyt supplying the crosses. Doni made some good saves the rest were poor. On another subject I have only seen Liverpool live on 7 occasions ( including last night and Wigan a few weeks back ). I have never seen them win and I am starting to think I am a jinx. The bad news is I have been offered a ticket for Saturday so lets hope the jinx is broke come Saturday night.
EST.1892
Shelvey played ok
02 May 2012 07:46:33
Hi Eds... The season is nearly over (bar one very important cup game and 2 league ones to overtake Everton), so I was wondering in what in your view is the reason for why we have been so poor. I have my opinion and many have theirs and I am not looking for you to put the blame on any one person in particular but what your thoughts off this season. I believe we have played well and have lacked that killer instinct and the fact that tactically we have been poor in terms of how we attack ie not enough bodies in the box. I know we have done well in the cups but most teams had their reserve teams out ( but I dont want to take anything away from our boys they still beat those in front of them). Any thoughts Ed and what would you do to improve it..... then maybe I will chant for you to be boss lol :)
Speedy {Ed001's Note - the main problem, in my opinion, is far too many changes from game to game. We are not able to settle into a style of play and the players are struggling to learn where they should be playing and looking to run. The changes from match to match, are almost wholesale, not just in terms of personnel, but everything. Add that to a lack of pressing the opposition (except in big games), lack of bodies in the box and very little pace in the side. Then, to top it off, no one seems to have any confidence in their own ability, except for Gerrard and Shelvey. When they do start to get a good run going and their confidence rises, they get dropped.}
So the problem is kenny. RedTurk
Agree ed but I'd add Suarez to that list of having confidence in their own ability, plus maybe Skrtel and Agger.
KiwiRed
02 May 2012 09:32:59
Posted the other day we will play 3 at the back in the Cup Final. Would say after last nights debacle it's now more or less a certainty. Kenny has been making sure all 3 of the centre backs he intends to play are fit and ready.
..........................reina
.........carra......skyrtel......agger............
johnson....................................enrique
If this happens not to be the plan then it will
look like this.
........................reina
carra........skrtel.........agger....johnson
So what ever way you look at it my money is on carra as a certainty to play.
Ed001 Made the point that the players against Fulham didn't believe they could force their way into the Wembley team. Which is a good point.
There was only Skyrtel, out of the players who played the full 90 minutes who will play Saturday and we knew that before the game started.
My own personal opinion is that we should play 3 centre backs as we lack a holding midfielder good enough for the job.
I would select this line up. Nothing against carra but he's finished and really hope I'm wrong and he doesn't play.
........................reina
...........skyrtel....coates....agger.....
johnson................................enrique
kidmillions
The only reason Kenny will go 5 across the back at Wembley is the same resason he put Agger in at left back for the LC Final. To accomodate his blue eye and poster boy JC.
BIFF BYFORD
If we do play 5 at the back this is what I would like to see
----------------Reina--------------------
--------coates-----------Skrtle----------
johnson---------agger-------------Enrique
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----------------Henderson----------------
Gerrard-----------------------------Bellamy
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-----------Suarez------Carroll-------------
Henderson: Rotate freely in the center as our box to box midfielder.
Agger: Covering midfield when Henderson is attacking and could use his skill driving the ball forward
Gerrard/Johnson: Johnson using his ability to go forward and combining with Gerrard to create deadly pass to Carroll.
Enrique/Bellamy: Use strength and Pace to move the ball forward and create chances.
I notice that sometime our game is very one dimensional. I think sometime changing type of play will be helpful meaning when the players are focused on wing play, if they cannot cross the ball or if the ball is in difficult situation sometime the same play can be switched to pass and go kind of play.
I have noticed in recent games that our pass and move game is improving a bit which i would like to see more and that's including Carroll.
Live-On-Pool
02 May 2012 09:24:57
Very disappointed in the lack of urgency and desire in our performance last night. With an FA cup final only days away I would have thought everybody would be busting a gut to try and get a starting position. To some degree a poor performance can be forgiven if everyone is giving 100%, but nobody can be forgiven for that debacle last night.
Tommy Walsh
Tommy, I cannot understand the way a professional football player can just down tools, when the paying spectator splashes out good money, he/she expects at least a genuine effort in return.
Your manager looked angry and shocked with the team in his tv interview,
but surely if they (the team ) had any kind of respect for him , they would have gave a hell of a lot more in that match,
they didn't and it showed big time !
DeepblueT
02 May 2012 09:17:36
I have defended the teams home performances this season,despite the results,but last nights performance can't be defended,our 2nd team or not.I have never been a fan of Spearing.He his average at best.Maxi is the invisable man.Shelvey needs experience, Kelly needs games.Downing disappointing.Carroll and Kuyt both worked hard but lack class.
The problem with your post mate is,it wasnt a 2nd team out last night,most where expeirienced 1st team starters the rest where mainly made up of lfc" bright young things".these are your squad players that are breaking through into the starting 11.with a poor run of injuries next season that team last night could well be most of your starting 11 for large chunks of a season.lfc are heading into new territory with the youth accadamy policy and it can be very difficult,mistakes/inconsistency.you may have to get used to nights like last night,
It was the 2nd string, If the squad was fit and in form Skrtle would be the only starter, of the side that started last night.Pepe Johnson Agger Skrtle Enrique Bellamy Lucas Adam Downing Gerrard Suarez. To me that would be our strongest team. So last nights team was our 2nd string.
02 May 2012 09:02:31
I've heard, and don't quote me on this, that we are going to win a game. It's the word on the street but you could take it with a pinch of salt.
02 May 2012 08:54:56
It doesn't hurt me to still say it with Pride!
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE!
Come on you Reds Beat them blues on Sat!
Hairy Yank.
02 May 2012 08:53:55
Why is everyone banging on about everyone we have missed out on,With Chelsea signing Marko Marin, Arsenal sign Lukas Podolski and with missing out on Roy Hodgson for DOF!!
As much as you think you know about football Liverpool know more so lets get behind our team an give them the support they need...
let's just see how things pan out... As much as the eds know they don't know everything so all the people with the stupid repetitive questions USE THE SERCH FUNCTION....
02 May 2012 08:49:51
urghh...what a shambles. Let's be honest. I looked at the team sheet and I had no confidence we'd get anything.
I can totally understand resting key players ahead of the cup final, especially as Chelsea have an important game tonight. But I cannot for the life of me see how last nights selection could have resulted in any benefit.
All very disappointing. Lets just hope we can do the cup double and come out of the season with some dignity.
Kez
02 May 2012 08:44:12
Judging by yesterdays team selection, we can assume that Carra wil play. Which I am not happy about.
Will KD play 3 centre backs?
Surely Agger and Skrtel have to start.
Deeply concerned if Carra plays.
Also I thiink yesterday showed that :
Spearing is just not good enough for us to achieve our targets.
Shelvey lacks the composure at the top level.Takes risks, but cant execute.
Kuyt is done.
Maxi is done
Downing was poor and possibly not good enough for a start each game
Aurelio is done
Doni is a good keeper
Henderson : squad player next season, not a starter
Carrol needs supply - without it, he is wasting his time, not his fault if he gets poor service. he was winning all the headers yesterday.
Coates and Sterling are part of the future if we can hang on to them.
Worrying summer for us. Lots of big, critical decisons to be made. Lets hope the owners can make them.
I would be interested in others comments without slagging them all off please.
Red First & Last
Most of what you said is fair enough though I think you are a bit harsh on Shelvey he is still young enough and would appear to have a good engine.Give him time to adapt fully.
Carroll is the best CENTRE FIREWORK I HAVE EVER SEEN!! A TRULY EXPLOSIVE PLAYER! :))))))))
02 May 2012 08:35:28
collectively, is this the worst Liverpool team in history?
No far from it remember phil babb, stig ing bjyornobye, sean dundee, et al that was worse team, barring the excellent rob jones whose career was sadlt derailed through injury, what a player he might have become
02 May 2012 08:22:18
I am a Liverpool fan,
And this is what we need.
Blow up this team!
We need player that want to play both for Liverpool and play with the passion that the players on this team currently lack!
I would keep Gerrard, Reina, Suarez, Lucas, Enrique, Sterling, Shelvey, and horrible but hope he gets better Henderson. Keep Kelly, Agger, and Carroll is still young..
They need to find new players 2 deep at most positions. Open up the Checkbook!
Spend whatever it takes, Bring in Kaka, Keita, Hazard, Isla, Bring in De Jong for depth, and yes AND Spend Whatever it takes bring in Munian, and Giroud!
Robben is off to Man City- He wants Champions League.
Hairy Yonk. YNWA. BEAT CHELSEA 2 more times!
Your post doesnt make any sense you want people that want to play for the club but you want liverpool to move heaven and earth to get players like kaka and hazard who dont really want to come!
02 May 2012 08:09:53
Hi ed. I have a doubt which i hope you can solve. Assuming that liverpool decide to move to a new stadium, what happens to anfield then ? Will anfield remain or will it be sold ? Will anfield be demolished to make way for houses / corporate buildings ? And if anfield is sold, will the money be used for building the new stadium as well as transfers, if not where will the money go.
Cheers
MIHIRED. {Ed002's Note - If a new stadium is built on a new site Anfield will be demolished and the area redeveloped.}
Will never happen ! Will be lucky to get redeveloped in four to five years.FSG wont be here in two years just after making some fast bucks.
Sorry but its true,we had a chance with the Arabs and turned them down, thanks Perry and Moore !!!!!
02 May 2012 07:52:07
Y don't we keep aurelio as a back up left back to Enrique cuz robinson is no good enough at the mo
He is a crock
02 May 2012 07:48:11
P*ss poor performance last night
Aurelio - end of contract in the summer and clearly doesn't care anymore
Spearing - don't care if he's a local lad. Couldn't care less if he was born on Anfields centre circle he's simply not good enough
Kuyt - Clearly past it
Maxi - No motivation to play well last night, gives the impression he wants to leave
Henderson - dragged off at halftime which says everything about his performance. Needs to buck up his ideas.
Also need to get rid of Charlie Adam as he also offers very little, can't last a full game
Hopefully Cole and Aquilani also go. Leaving the manager whoever it maybe some cash to make much needed changes to the squad
Only 2 positive last night. Caroll got some match time and Shelvey did his best and deserves to be in the squad for Sat
RedDan
Carroll's an awful player to watch, do you suppose he might be a great player to play alongside? Don't think so! Carroll is actually trying and giving 100%. Therein lies the problem? If that's the best he can do? Since he's been trying the last 8/10 games, which I think it his is best? Then i'm afraid it's nowhere good enough and he needs to be shipped out as quickly as possible.
kidmillions
I think they rushed the signing. I do not think he was ever our main target. I think that he has been playing better but is still short of the talent to play for liverpool. He is a mid table player and we broke the UK transfer record for him. I think in the end along with results the signing of carroll will cost kenny he's job.
02 May 2012 06:59:12
Agger and skirtel have got to be the CB pairing for the FA cup final ! Carragher got to be benched
If Carra plays i fear for us as he has never been able to hand Drogba- I am not A carra basher I just believe he cannot handle him
REDBOY
02 May 2012 06:54:25
Really feel for season ticket holders this year. 5 wins all year is an absolute disgrace!
Peter
02 May 2012 05:52:23
I want to know everyones thoughts on what 5 REALISTIC signings they would want to see happen in the summer. I'll go first, aas Rasmus Elm has more or less signed i'll include him in my five. 1. Rasmus Elm, everything Charlie Adam was bought to do but hasnt Elm can and (hopefully) will do. He's also more mobile than Adam.
2. Roberto Soldado, he is what we have sorely lacked at times this season-a goalscorer. He's another Robbie Fowler in the sense that he just pops up and buries the ball in the back of the net.
3. Gaston Ramirez, the boy is class and is the attacking/creative midfielder we need. He can also play on the wing.
4. Markel Susaeta, he is just incredible. He's a much better winger than Muniain and is in the last year of his contract so is a much cheaper option. I really hope we get him because he would make a world of difference to the right hand side.
5. Mauricio Isla, i know he's injured but he's just so good!! He brings class to every position he plays and he would make a terrifying combo down the right with Susaeta. Replaces Glen Johnson with ease.
So there we have it, my 5 signings to push us on next year. Whats everyones thoughts, and whp would you have. Eds if you wish to comment then just feel free.
Cheers,
KiwiRed
Elm
Belhanda
Susaeta
Isla
Soldado
YNWA! (Adam)
Wow mate, we must be on the same wave length.I would love to see them players in the red shirt.Ramirez Susaeta Suarez and Soldado.Plenty of free kicks on the edge of the area for Elm to show what he can do with a dead ball.I just can't see us getting them.
Micheal Mouse
Jarvis
Allen
Pilkington
Fletcher
Actually we have serious interest in Soldado and Susaeta and Isla before his injury. So as long as we follow up that interest we have a chance mate.
KiwiRed
I really hope you are right, but I wouldn't put my mortgage on it happening.
02 May 2012 05:06:25
hey macca..cracker of a site! very addicting!
just a question re glen johnson, i would love to see him go as i feel he is at fault for far too many goals that we concede ,and for the stated wage reasons. curious
is isla the main and only target?
or is there more players targeted or this position? if so who?
thanks heaps
02 May 2012 04:00:53
Just saw Hodgson's first interview as England manager. Aye, already getting the impression Roy Hodgson has made a Jules Rimet replica out of a Kelloggs Cornflakes box, pacing around his living room triumphantly waving it about. Mmm...
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Kd has been out of game to long and lost touch with modern football pace and valuation of players hes spent badly i dont no how he can recover is name as afootball icon with these players on view scared for sat
02 May 2012 02:28:58
Putting obvious sentiment aside, if we do not win the cup, given results like fulham and the season as a whole, surely Kenny has to go ? I think the coming transfer period will really establish the direction FSG are going to take this club
02 May 2012 02:25:46
Should Liverpool Buy Kaka: Attacking Attractive Football at Anfield.
At Real Madrid Should Ozil and Kaka play together. Mourinho thinks not. The special one is not about to introduce a special change to the midfield just so he can fit in Kaka. This leaves Kaka free to transfer away from the club or sit on the bench and rot.
Jose Mourinho might not have had this issue to deal with last season especially since Kaka was out injured till January and when he recovered he wasn't firing on all cylinders but with the former world player of the year regaining his form. Now what is next for Kaka?
The problem is German midfielder and the Brazilian can not fit in to the same system without compromising the defensive integrity or clashing zonally because of their tendency to play in the same attacking zonal areas. Both players like to play behind the strike as the point on top of triangle in a three man midfield
This is interesting to liverpool because is the same formation that liverpool have been trying to play all season without success. The fluid 4-3-2-1 turns into 4-3-3 or can drop off as a 4-5-1
Luis Suarez has been asked to fill in the creative midfield position. played for liverpool this season. Could buying Kaka free Luis Suarez to play lone striker? and Kaka to ghost in box (Raul Meireles)
Liverpool like to play a fluid 4-3-3 but lack the players to pull it off. One problem area has been the attacking midfielder position, which has too often been filled by our best striker.
Kaka likes to play in a more advanced position closer to opposition goal and would make for a great supporting striker. A partnership for Luis that would really work at Anfield.
The key to this formational success may lay in the two holding players. Another problem that was never really dealt with at liverpool. (Xabi left big hole)
While Henderson may be able to play one postion, the other side would have to employ a player with a defensive mind as well as attacking skill. They would have to be defensive minded in nature, but with the ability to start attacks. That is where Charile Adam's lets down the side. While attacking in nature, he has been very poor holding the middle together.
Charlie is mainly a attacking minded player with little regard for defensive duties. Gerrard also has a trendies to run off out of position. Best kept away from cm duties. The key would also lay in recruiting a Seydou Keita DM minded player that has the ability to pass the ball.
S Downing Left, Gerrard Right side, Luis Suarez upfront. and KaKa in the Attacking midfield.
Seydou Keita and Henderson holding midfield shape.
We may win a few more games. KaKa has the quality to score goals and unlock defenses. 30 years old, no place for him at the top
He would pay for himself in Shirt Sale, Big name in football. The question is, is Kaka worth £26 million for two seasons of football.
Kaka would fit the bill,and as you say we seriously lack in the midfield creativity department.Kaka would be a fantastic signing and at 30,in the role you describe,would be good for more than a couple of seasons !! B
We wont sign him unless he decides to drop his galatico wages to Macdonalds staff wage that we give out in comparrsion
Speedy
Kaka will never ever join Liverpool, this season and the way we've played football has more or less ensured that no top names will join us for at least the next year. It all depends on who the next manager is of course but if Kenny's in charge then forget it.
Your future team has a big flaw. It does not contain Lucas in the starting 11. And Henderson and Keita is preferrred over him.
02 May 2012 02:16:49
I thought some of you would like to see this you might remember these kids from soccer am. and I know ed7 told you about them.they are now in glasgow and will be at the celtic game on thursday night
I am a Rangers fan from Blantyre,the same place Reamonn lived.I never knew him but since his death it has been a big part of our local community.Can I just say the Thai Tims are a credit to he memory of a young guy who was brutally murdered.Thankfully his death wa not football related and he helped these kids learn English by signing Celtic songs while doing his own charity work.I do think it is shocking that not one person has went on to the Celtic site and congratulated or thanked Ed007 for the work he has put into this whole thing.Without everything he has done and witjhout his help these kids might never have the got any publicity or the chance to visit Scotland.He has helped the charity since it started and campaigned on all these sites here and elsewhere for month after month and even had Liverpool and Man U fans donating money.Without Ed007 those guys would have never heard of these kids. Ed07 must live local to me after reading his stuff and although you guys might hate him for his football team at least give the guy some credit for doing this kind of thing for poor children.Poor show from timalloy and the Celtic fans who know what the ed has done btw Honest Blantyre Rangers Fan p.s. please post this ed and I hope it doesn't embarass Ed007 or blow his cover as an ed on here.I just think it shouldn't go unoticed
How can we hate him for his football team, silly comment. ed007 is a good un.
02 May 2012 01:45:37
Reina, skirtle, agger, Johnson, Lucas, gerrard, Suarez, Enrique.. The only players in our current squad that would make the cut at another 'top' club, which apparently we still are. More damning, only 2 of those players are recent inclusions. Not even enough to fill out a team on match day and more importantly only 2 attacking options of note, one of which is in the twilight of his career. The slide is just beginning.
_________Suarez,
Downing ________ Gerrard,
__________Kaka
_____Lucas,___ Henderson
Enrique. Skirtle, Agger, Johnson,
__________Reina,
That team would cause teams so many problems. We just need another Creative player to bring it all together.
Henderson is a fair way off, I love his work rate and attitude but he really needs time to work out his game and make some sort of impact on matches, downing is redundant without a big man up forward - lack of pace and ability to get past defenders, nor does he link well with Enrique. Agree with origional post, 4 quality players needed for the first team
Where's the goals coming from?
Reina would be a good striker and will win us a lot of penalties as he is good diver...
Live-On-Pool
And of Course Suarez is good with hands
Live-On-Pool
02 May 2012 01:38:43
positive
coates - great tackles kept us in the game
doni - great saves kept us in the game.
aurelio (the boy is our best crosser by far) but will go for obvious reasons
sterling - should have come on at half time not downing (downing did nothing at all)
carroll - thrived of Aurelio's service but needed to put one or two away
maxi could/should have leveled it for us or set kuyt up.
end of the day it was the team i was expecting to be played they defended well and we didn't have a real match winner on the pitch. next game is the game.
(this is why kenny shouldn't say no need to talk about the fa cup final because the next game is the only game we are focused on because the is rubbish- just be a sport and answer the questions)
I think Coates and Hendo have great potential, people a quick to forget Coates' youth an the obvious adjustment issues, but there in also lies the problem, we need players capable of performing at an elite level in the present not the years from bow and given what we've spent, I can't see the money being available to make the inclusions we need.
02 May 2012 01:27:45
MY MAN OF THE MATCH WAS SEBA COATES ALL DAY LONG. WHO DOES'NT AGREE WELL YOU LOOKING THROUGH SOME BIAS EYES.
Great, centre half MoM at home to Fulham. Says it all.
Haha, yeah not a good sign, but hey, as long as he starts putting up 12-15 goals an 6 assists a season from center back, or problems are solved ! All jokes aside I think he'll be a great player: young, inexperienced and foreign yet he never drops his head and has all the tools
02 May 2012 01:21:22
If Woy Hodgson had picked a bench full of defenders at home to Fulham he'd never have got out of Anfield alive!
However, nowadays it seems OK to pick a bench of ; JONES, ENRIQUE, FLANNAGAN, ROBINSON, CARRAGHER, DOWNING and STERLING.
It truly beggars belief. Surely we could've found a place for SUSO, MORGAN or ADJORAN?
ANFIELDPETE
Ha ha... bring on the cup... Carlsberg Export is on sale in sainsburys. Do you think people who go to the opera sit around discussing how rubbish it was.
Three out of the six subs were defenders. I don't understand your problem
cozinoz
It was 4 out of 6
I know. He has to leave.
A 12 year old wouldn't do it in Football Manager - because it's stupid.
Obviously.
This is actually real life too. Therefore it is a slightly more serious and worrying problem.
Not the only problem though, thats for sure...
He has to go. Those who think otherwise are blind.
Any new signings will be played out of position (if they play at all) and their self-belief will be destroyed as a result.
Why these players are signed in the first place if they do not play in their proper positions is inexplicable.
If they do play well they will be dropped. Or assigned a new role.
If a formation works, it will be changed.
"We treat all competitions with respect"
My arse. What the hell was that.
"It'll take a hell of a player to improve on what we've got" etc, etc etc.
Anyone else hear the booing after the final whistle?
If I had millions of £££ - I wouldn't be letting Dalglish near them, thats for sure.
36 games - 49 points.
Thats 9 more than the 40 that sides aim for to stay up. 2 games left.
I said a couple of months ago that we'll finish 10th - W. Brom losing Hodgson might hinder their chances of overtaking us though.
I would have done better myself managing LFC in the league this season -
I certainly doubt I could have done much worse.
Pathetic.
BJH YNWA. (He will most likely go this summer. If we lose the cup final - that will be guaranteed. Gonna be a big game for him.)
ps - I can never forget him signing Barnes and Rush at Newcastle. Those were not the actions of a good manager..... or an intelligent person.
Actually - they were not the actions of a sane person.
Personally I adore the Opera - and when one attends a bad opera, one can get rather upset when one is not impressed with what one sees.
I recently attended a production of Beethoven's Fidelio at Jubilee Auditorium by Giuseppe Frigeni, and one must say that it lacked both emotion and commitment to the ideals and ideological principles of which were intended by the demented genius...
This was a butchery of Beethoven.
Don't get me wrong, Frigeni created a perfectly serviceable set “ proscenium-high caged walkways that can be arranged in any number of configurations “ which he lights effectively enough.
It's when he starts putting flesh-and-blood characters into this frame that the difficulties begin.
There's a near-total lack of characterisation among the protagonists, who are statuesque most of the time, and the dialogue is pruned to just a few phrases so that the drama loses all semblance of continuity, or any kind of context for the musical numbers.
Going from Marzelline's aria in the first act straight into the sublime quartet Mir Ist So Wunderbar, entirely neutralises its emotional power, while the Prisoners' Chorus, though beautifully sung by the WNO chorus, lacked any kind of magic.
Needless to say, my chums and I sat drinking and seething with rage into the small hours of the night.
Horrific.
I hadn't felt so robbed and cheated since we got beaten 3-1 by Blackburn and Benjani scored twice.
BJH YNWA.
My bad.........4 out of 7 subs. Still not a big problem for me tho
cozinoz
Scousers love Opera we are a very culteral bunch. :)))
kidmillions
02 May 2012 01:16:29
I will forget about the Fulham game(its gone, forget it, its history!).
All I am looking forward to, is the excitement of the FA cup.
Its the biggest game of our season, a glorious affair, and one I would love to be at.
So go on you Reds, show the world what LFC is all about.
To all my fellow fans and supporters who are attending, be safe, take care, enjoy, be proud, walk tall and sing, sing louder still!.
I love my team, LFC for life.
Shankly's Red Army.
Yeah forget the Fulham game it only cost £40 to get in and watch multi millionaires produce absolute sh*t*
Well said sir !! B
I think the club should refund those who went, seeing as we played a weaken team. after all they dont weaken the prices on the night..
Lee73
02 May 2012 01:08:36
my god beaten again at anfield whats going on teams love playing us at the moment kennys honeymoon is over our league form this year 2012 has been an utter disgrace the players should be fined for that performance tonight no consistency.
big game saturday a cup final you would think by the fear in the players tonight we were relegated or something weres the motivation gone i feel for kenny them players are a disgrace to the jersey.
cant wait for saturday if we lose kenny could go..whatever happens king kenny a legend forever.
We are great at home.
02 May 2012 00:54:05
Gotta feel sorry for Coates he played well against Fulham but wont be in with a shout for saturday, not saying he should be in though, shelvey did well for periods but his passing dropped off in later periods, spearing was appalling all night he can do much better, was disapointed to see aurelio over robinson, was this match an oppotunity to put some players in the shop window eds?
Coates wont have a shout because KD will play Carragher. Pathetic I know.
For me Coates has improved massively since his first game and needs to be given some time next season as first back up to the injury prone agger, nice to see carroll making some effort too
02 May 2012 00:49:24
where can i watch tonight's game in full?
does anyone have a link.
Wetpaintdrying.com would be more exciting mate.
LIVERPRES
I wouldn't bother mate
02 May 2012 11:48:13
it's a russian/ukrainian website where they show all matches throughout Europe after they finish. Sometimes you can get it in real time, but for the best quality I find it's ok to watch matches straight afterwards (except LFC, which use google chrome add on to watch)
Here's the link & Enjoy:
http://www.smotrifootball.com.ua/
Happy to be of service to a fellow Red.
Baron von Ungern
02 May 2012 00:45:18
Surely now we have reached the end
KD should have been sacked for spending £35m on an injured big galut.
He wasn't and then went on to spend over £40m on Downing, Henderson and Adam.
His target was then top 4, which seems to have been totally ignored in pursuit of the Carling and FA cups.
The result is 5 home wins, 8th, 9th or thereabouts in the league and a laughable talk of a 'work in progress'.
When was the last time things were this bad, Hodgson, Souness?
KD has had 18 months and its going from bad to worse. Surely now is the time to admit it.
Gino 61
02 May 2012 00:42:35
Ed why has the team fallen apart?
21 Jan, 17:30 Bolton Wanderers 3 - 1 Liverpool
They had 7 day rest period. No real injuries. Luis was banned.
10 Mar, 15:00 Sunderland 1 - 0 Liverpool Premier League
Again 7 day rest period. No real injuries. No one from Sunderland played very well.
21 Mar, 20:00 Queens Park Rangers 3 - 2 Liverpool Premier League
They gave away 2 goal lead in the last 10 minutes.
3 days rest, kenny:The team where tired
22 Apr, 16:00 Liverpool 0 - 1 West Bromwich Albion Premier League
8 days rest, they took on WBA, damien comolli gone and they still lose.
1 May, 19:45 Liverpool 0 - 1 Fulham Premier League
3 days rest, but this game is at home. So What will Kenny Excuse be now. He is in total control yet we lose due to player rotation. One eye on the cup.
I personally think we should have gotten more out of these games.
bolton lose 1
sunderland draw
qpr wba.fulham 9 wins
9 + 1 + = 10 more points
8 - Liverpool 36played 49points
Which would give us 49 + 10 = 59 challenging for 4/5 spot.
Ed what do you think has gone wrong recently?
{Ed005's Note - I think our players don't work hard enough and lack the quality and intelligence required to make a difference in the final third of the pitch. Quality required in the Summer.}
02 May 2012 00:09:02
The 'fans' can moan all they like, they can demand Lenny goes, that we spend £300mill to bring in the worlds 'best' players... And when they get their way we'll follow suit... We'll be joining Leeds, west ham, Blackburn, Pompey... The list could go on... But at the end of the day. The true fans will have FAITH and remember what YNWA means to the club... Let them build for the future, because utds youngsters dont seem too great... In 3years we'll be Ruhr up there and those who cant wait? Manchesters pretty close, hope u like blue!
Lenny out! Lenny out!
Redjinal
It was actually pretty good for a back up team..and even this team will come good in the future..just stay behind them..win or lose! i'm sure i will..
May be in three years we will win another home game , be real we are very poor and need good players who want to play and bring success to the club.
02 May 2012 00:08:55
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/01/revealed-the-worlds-best-paid-teams-man-city-close-in-on-barca-and-real-madrid-010501/
Liverpool are the 18th best payers in world sport!
RedSG
Thats reassuring - just when I thought we were 9th in the Prem
02 May 2012 00:06:36
RE:Woy Hodgson vs Steven Gerrard
It is no secret that that Steven Garrard doesn't get on with Roy Hodgson. Has no respect for him. Steven had undermined Roy during his time at Liverpool and missed that penalty against Blackburn, which finally spelled the end for Roy at Liverpool. (pen was very uncharacteristic of Gerrard. I'v never seen Gerrard sky the ball)
Will Roy pick a backstabbing player like Gerrard to lead his England team? Will Gerrard be the captain?
Roy is no position to pick his England team, that was done by the FA for him. He seems to be one of those guys that caves in to management pressure. He is a yes man to the St George's Park National Football Centre. Yes man to management involvement in team. What else has he said yes to already?
He won't get to choose anyone this late in the game and will have to put up with players who really don't think much of him. (Gerrard) Now Roy has worked with some smaller teams and has gotten the chance to look at lower level premiership players that never seem to get picked for England. Will he want to pick a few of them to help him win something for England.
Andrew Johnson is a name that has popped into my head. The poor mans version of Rooney. Plus Rooney is suspended for the 2 games.
Now Roy is a creature of habit. So expect him to drill the team to play Defensive, rigidity football. Expect us to draw the first two games 0v0 against poor opposition. The players will have no creativity in their play and we as England will always be looking to go to penalties.
Expect us to be in very bad situation come the last game of group stages, need Rooney to score some goals or Gerrard to put a pen away. Will Gerrard Sky it to make Roy look like a loser and crash out of the competition.
We may get through the group stage then we will be beaten by 8 goals Brazil/Argentinian/Spain/France. The following day the FA will Sack Roy "the yes man Hodgson. He will of been in charge of England for 4 sunny months in 2012.
People don't expect much from England, but what do they expect from Hodgson.
Interesting you think brazil or argentina will knock us out the euros
What a numpty...too funny
2nd place in group stage will face 1st place in knock outs. Woy does have a history with Gerrard
Brazil vs Argentina in the finals of Euro 2012. Calling it right now.
What are the odds on messi skying a pen in the final to backstab maradona for setting his niece up with aguero and not him
Do you guys really think gerrard missed that on purpose?
He was absolutely busting his gut to earn the penalty in the first place, and he'd just scored a screamer moments before, makes no sense at all.
x
02 May 2012 00:06:12
Ed001, The league results ever since the Wigan game I honestly haven't been to annoyed about, because we had nothing to play for any more, but the manner in which we lost tonight is a concern for me!
Thoughs?
An Dun Red {Ed001's Note - I agree, the issue isn't the results, it is the lack of any kind of acceptable performance level from the players. I know they hadn't played as a team together much, but I would have expected more drive, players driving forward and occupying the same spaces so getting in each other's way etc. There were constantly acres of space out on the right wing, space that Kelly couldn't take up, that just needed someone, anyone, to use, to drag the defenders out of the middle and give them a problem. There was no movement from the forwards or midfield, nothing to give them anything to think about until Sterling came on.}
02 May 2012 00:27:15
Rafa back he won champions league with dead wood (Mellor Baros Cisse Jimmy Toare & co) so we need him back to work with our current dead wood :).
Special thanks to Kenny for not signing Ba (free) Cisse (10 mill) Young (16 mill) letting Cole & Alberto leave (better players than Henderson & Adam) and signing Carroll (35 pound i mean mill) Adam 9 mill + Ince :( Henderson 16 mill + Downing 20 mill :(:(:(:( shockingg!!!
Last year we finshed 6th no improvement @ all
Roy back he wins games.lol
01 May 2012 23:49:13
Good result tonight lads. By the looks of it what we did to QPR on the weekend isn't even half of what were going to do to you. TcBlue.
> Implying we won't turn you over as per usual when we have our full strength 11 on the field
When we beat you Saturday and i'm laughing i'll toast to you ;)
JP
Behave son! Suarez gonna rip you apart!
Your papering over the cracks!!
Who's managing the team at wembley
Terry Lampard Drogba.
Lyndon
I can taste the anger from a mile away boys. Be back on Saturday :)
TcBlue.
Nice one TcBlue, your fellow fans will be delighted with you when we cut & paste your post & plaster it all over the Chelsea pages come Sunday.
dd
Don't be too hard on the Chelsea fans!
They did after all get us our money back for Raul!!
Since Roman Terry and Lampard have been picking the team he's not featured much lately
Lyndon
Lyndon
01 May 2012 23:35:01
Hang on the team we played tonight contains Henderson and Carroll, two players who are apparently worth a combined 51 million, surely these two should be more than capable of doing something against a team worth about 15m/20m max. Hmm evidently not.
RDR
Well......it is Carrol and Henderson you are talking abbout...... :/
Carroll did ok, won every header, no support though and zero service until Raheem came on. Henderson... improving, but yesterday was woeful.
Richards
01 May 2012 23:18:42
lfc need a coach in the mould of Trappatoni or Hitzfeld, a professional coach who will work with they have and who is not afraid to kick primadonna's to touch. Not always relying on spending millions