Liverpool Banter Archive March 02 2018

02 Mar 2018 14:28:38
Ed01, read some great replies by you regarding Rednapp below and his waste of talent.
With that in mind who, in your opinion, where the greatest wastes of talent for Liverpool during the Premier League years and secondly in all PL teams during the Premier League time frame.
Also love other fans opinions,

{Ed001's Note - christ that is a lot of players I could list, if I had the time. This is why I am going to stop doing match previews after this season, they take up so much time I don't really have any time to answer these kind of things. I will, if you don't mind, save it to do an article on later.}

02 Mar 2018 14:46:40
Stan Collymore for me, played only 250 league games across his entire career, three caps for England, obnoxious person and incredible waste of talent.

02 Mar 2018 15:00:00
Worst for me, and through no fault of his own, was Fabio Aurelio. I think he could've been world class if he could've stayed fit for longer than 45 minutes. Such a waste.

02 Mar 2018 15:00:36
And he’s a right prick who takes every opportunity to slag us off. 🤣.

02 Mar 2018 15:02:04
I completely understand Ed it's just such a fascinating topic when you think of players who had the world at their feet but couldn't be bothered to strive for greatness. As kids we all dreamed of those opportunities so it's mind boggling so many never tried when given the chance. A future article would be great.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate I will try and get round to it as quickly as possible. It is a very good topic mate.}

02 Mar 2018 15:05:09
That'd be a great article Ed1, when you get time of course.

{Ed001's Note - hopefully sooner than normal.}

02 Mar 2018 15:16:20
a vile excuse of a human being who should not have a platform to slag anyone off.

02 Mar 2018 15:22:36
Obviously not poor Fabio😉.

02 Mar 2018 15:46:55
Liverpool I always expected more from Harry Kewell, M Owen obviously aswell.

But many a player has failed himself over the years,

Freddy Adu
Adriano
Ronaldihno
Quaresma
Peter Knowles
Gigi Meroni

Many many more.

02 Mar 2018 15:57:46
Ronaldihno could've been so much more JC23 but he was still fantastic, shame his head wasn't in it.

02 Mar 2018 16:00:24
I’m sorry JC but how is Ronaldinho in your list.

02 Mar 2018 16:09:36
Because Ronaldinho could have achieved so much more than he did.

02 Mar 2018 16:20:39
Aqualani. Top of the turd pile with Stan.

02 Mar 2018 16:24:19
Fabio didn’t waste his talent, his body failed him.

02 Mar 2018 16:36:26
Harry Kewell.

02 Mar 2018 17:40:52
Harry Kewell is a good shout. Micheal Owen is much hated here I know but if he had been looked after the way players are today I think he would be ahead of Rooney as top England goal scorer.

Robbie Fowler of course, could have been the countries greatest.

And we have all seen touches of Danny sturridges class, Imagine how good he could have become.

02 Mar 2018 17:48:59
Didn't Adriano battle with depression?

02 Mar 2018 17:53:28
From players that i have seen and can judge, as with fowler and owen i was far too young to judge them properly; it has to be sturridge.

I don't think people actually credit sturridge enough for the ability he showed before his legs went. He was world class for his first 18 months with us, not long enough to be remembered that fondly by the rest of the world, but to us he was incredible for that short period of time.

Dribbling, pace, touch, his wand of a left foot. Had a great ability to get on the end of things back then as well. He could drop wide or a bit deeper and be very competent with the ball in these areas. He was so much more than the pace merchant some people make him out to be. For those 18 months he was playing better than most centre forwards in the world, certainly had more to him than players like higuain, cavani or benzema. What happened to him was tragic.

02 Mar 2018 17:55:01
Aurelio because he just wasnt fit for long enough.

Aqualani because he cost so much money back then.

02 Mar 2018 18:50:01
I could potentially be happy to take over preview articles from next season for you Ed001.

I work for Opta (I know you hate stats, don’t worry I won’t go overboard on them - and I definitely won’t use any meaningless ones) and as part of that I write previews for matches anyway so I could do it for this site!

I’d love to contribute in some way if it takes some pressure off you (and if you and others would be ok with it) then I’d be honoured to help out! You and the other Ed’s do amazing work on here so it’d be nice to help a little.

Let me know what you think mate!

{Ed001's Note - that would be fantastic mate, please do. They take up the whole of my Friday otherwise and it is when all my friends are off here, so I never get to spend any quality time with them. Losing my best mate recently has made me rethink my priorities in life!}

02 Mar 2018 19:21:21
Talking about injuries and having a short career what are people's opinions on Jim beglin? I remember watching sportsnight (showing my age! ) when I seen him getting injured. Think it was a Derby. From what I remember he looked good.

02 Mar 2018 19:29:35
Fernando Morientes sticks out for me, I remember being a kid and being so excited when he signed.
Andy Carrol could be so much more as well. He’s got all the attributes to be a 20 goal a season striker in the right system but for his attitude and lack of effort and subsequently his injury problems.
Dani Pacheco always looked to have a bright future but I think he had attitude problems.
And surprisingly I don’t think anyone has mentioned Ballotelli.

02 Mar 2018 19:26:34
Well all the more reason for me to help out then Ed if it helps you get more time with your friends! It’s a deal, I’ll do it from next season.

If there’s anything you’d like me to include or any particular style you’d like me to write to, just let me know. I can throw in a few Opta pre-match style tidbits in their too so hopefully I can make it interesting for people on here!

I can provide my contact details if you want? I do give my email every time I make a post so Im happy to provide contact info!

{Ed001's Note - anything you want to do is fine, it is what the reader's want to read that matters, rather than what I think. If you do want to send your contact details through the contact form that would be great and make it a bit easier to discuss it.}

02 Mar 2018 19:52:59
Ronaldinho. cop on mate. he was world player of the yr twice. world cup winner. CL winner. multiple league winner. the man was a genuis and all round nice guy. he derseves to be remembered as a great and not on the same list as Freddy Adu amd Harry Kewell.

02 Mar 2018 19:55:40
Ronaldinho could've achieved more but you could hardly say he wasted his talent I mean he was the best player on the planet for a couple of years, won world cups and champions leagues - if that's wasting talent then there is no hope for any of us!

I do agree he could've been even better, and had much more longevity, if he had a more professional attitude but I think that swagger, that easy-going attitude was part of his play and, at his peak, what also made him great. Romario was similar, he hated training yet was an absolute monster - could he have achieved more? Definitely. Did he achieve a hell of a lot anyway? Absolutely.

I think Adriano is an excellent shout for biggest waste of talent though, he was a player who had literally everything to his game: strength, power, pace, skill, bullet shot, excellent finisher, truly exceptional but fell completely off the rails. It's quite a sad story really he was very close to his father and, when his father passed away, he struggled to deal with it and turned to drink which in turn lead him to become an alcoholic. I hope he has found the help he needs but, from what I gather, he's still in the midst of addiction. A great shame.

02 Mar 2018 20:41:17
Very good of you Reid the Red mate.

02 Mar 2018 21:08:22
Spot on, Seano. Ronaldinho was a football genius and the fact that he achieved SO much w/ o fully fulfilling his IMMENSE potential should tell people all they need to know about his immense talent. Messi has peaked and IMO, STILL not at Ronnie's level. Go Figure.

As for Adriano, he was a tragedy. A true beast of a player, heir apparent to the legendary CF Ronaldo (The kid had ALL the tools required to adequately replace him in the Selecao) BUT alas, his career was wasted cos he could simply NOT get over his father's death so he turned to alcohol and that was the end for him. What a pity. I pray he finds peace in his life cos the last I checked, he was hanging out w/ the gangsters in the Favelas, brandishing guns and making gang signs. Sigh!

02 Mar 2018 21:10:02
How about El Hadji Diouf? We signed him as an outstanding youngster at the World Cup but he turned out to be a pathetic little person.

02 Mar 2018 21:16:16
Really looking forward to reading your previews Reid!

02 Mar 2018 21:26:48
That sounds a top idea Reid, I look forward to reading them next season.

02 Mar 2018 21:28:17
Ryan Babel for me. I remember thinking he was going to be one of the best and he showed flashes of brilliance. I think he spends more time djing than playing football nowadays.

02 Mar 2018 23:43:39
Shame Marcus Babel's body caved in on him he had some disease that weakened him he was a brilliant right back an before us with Bayern Munich an Germany we got one good season out of him an he scored a belter against Everton at goodison park that's what I remember him by.

03 Mar 2018 00:55:12
Got to say, I've been on this site for years, but the way it's evolving is great to see, carras loan updates, reids offer of pre match analysis, MK's pod cast (baby permitting), you've got a lot to be proud of Ed's 001.

YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, it has gone so far beyond my wildest imaginings now.}

03 Mar 2018 01:44:09
And the header that eon us the euros league! Marcus babbel. Ryan babel was class too, what happened to him?

{Ed001's Note - he is in Turkey now.}

03 Mar 2018 07:29:48
Definitley agree with MK. Aurelio could have been amazing for us!

03 Mar 2018 08:34:57
alexis sanchez he signed for arsenal for the best years of his career lol.

03 Mar 2018 10:10:46
Begging had a lot of potential Roller, it was a derby match where he had a horrible leg break. I remember it quite well, a 50-50 challenge with Gary Stevens?
He was shaping up to be a decent left back, still made mistakes with positioning but he was still relatively inexperienced.

Wasted potential? Tiago Ilori 😇.

03 Mar 2018 11:16:17
Andy Carrol broke my heart. Total waste of talent, didn't he show up for training drunk?

03 Mar 2018 17:14:23
Unfortunately injuries and such are what makes players greats or not.

Ronaldo and Messi have both been blessed with incredible talent but also fabulous genetics. Imagine any of the greats getting there injury luck.

Torres for starters. Gerrard. Kewell. Aurelio. STURRIDGE.

They were all world class on there day but Gerrard got a little luckier but he lost his pace around 30 where someone like Ronaldo is still going strong. Torres was done at 27, stirring at 25.

Then there is the mental edge. Messi and Ronaldo both have the right mentality and again if other players had of say had the harry Kane mentality where would they be. Ballotelli for example. Ronaldinho.

There's so much more the skill involved in becoming a trully great. Discipline and luck are equally if not more important.

02 Mar 2018 13:25:10
I've just read an interview with Andy Robertson by James Pearce. He comes across really well, grounded, hungry and determined to work hard to succeed. Hopefully this kind of attitude goes right through the squad .

02 Mar 2018 13:51:26
That's just it mate. It seems like the whole squad have that attidude and are more determined then ever to succeed, they have the confidence, they want to win and are getting the results.

02 Mar 2018 14:00:41
I'd like to say, When we signed Robbo we was all a bit sceptical about him. Underwhelming transfer, and we was looking over at Arsenal a bit jealous because that Kolasnac was looking like a great signing.
Well I watched him last night and he was getting absolutely ruined everytime City went down his side. Now Andy is running rings round the lad in terms of ability. He's a cracking signing.

02 Mar 2018 16:53:51
LFC8, I was never jealous of Kolasinac or any other German league player Klopp does not sign. Why? Very easy. Klopp is a guru in that dept. and knows these players inside out so if he does not wanna sign any of them, he knows hem enough to say they don't fit the way we play hence, won't or can't make us better. If he thinks that player can help us, he will sign him. See Karius who is now improving and Matip (tho having a splintered season) was very good last season overall. I will defer to Klopp on this topic every single time. Kolasinac is average and looks more like a body builder than a footballer.

I may not have been thrilled w/ Robbo BUT he is improving and provided he keeps his head down and continues to learn from one of the best coaches around (not just manager) in Klopp, he'll be fine.

03 Mar 2018 00:17:40
I was lucky enough to have seen the great Emlyn Hughes play for us, and he was great,
part of his his play was his fantastic drive forward, now that Robbo has settled in at left back,
he reminds me quite a lot of yozzer Hughes,
and he will only get better,
today, Klopp was saying that he could be the future captain of Scotland .

{Ed0333's Note - Susan Boyle could captain Scotland mate that’s not such a glowing endorsement of the deity that is Andrew Robertson.

02 Mar 2018 10:23:10
Ed ...................

{Ed002's Note - Try the MU page - THIS IS THE LIVERPOOL PAGE.}

02 Mar 2018 08:12:15
Good time to be a Liverpool fan right now.

If reports are true, the club is moving in the right direction financially off the field.

On field we're playing some fantastic attacking football, with the defence seeing a slight improvement.

Only two points behind man utd, win and Saturday and we climb back up to second.

2 or 3 quality additions in the summer and we'll be right in the mix.

02 Mar 2018 08:42:36
Spoil sport Ed 😜😜.

{Ed001's Note - hardly, you were being offensive. Not in the slightest funny or clever to be a dick like that.}

02 Mar 2018 08:47:00
We r in d mix.

02 Mar 2018 16:31:13
I knew some of you on here would start celebrating the profit headline, great for the owners but that's about it because those profits won't be reinvested in the team or into lowering prices for supporters, so don't get to excited. The team needs major investment, don't let our current position cloud your judgement we're a million miles away from being genuine title contenders as city are streets ahead, and this will only dissipate next season when Salah goes and a cheaper less experienced play replaces him. Sorry to piss on your bomb fire 🔥 but there the realities of life under these owners.

02 Mar 2018 17:01:52
And there he is.

02 Mar 2018 17:28:47
Waro does make a good point but needs to take into consideration that city are just richer than us. The owners have backed us plenty but in my opinion 1 have squandered plenty in their time here on transfers 2nd they just can't match the spending power other teams have. This however does not make them bad.

02 Mar 2018 17:31:08
Salah goes? No chance. Even FSG or LFC or whoever decides on players going are not close to being that business orientated or that dumb. They want success and we are slowly getting there.

02 Mar 2018 21:21:02
Well anyway, over here on Planet Reality, our boys are 3rd in the PL, FSG are expanding the stadium and Klopp is slowly putting LFC on the path towards greatness. Good luck to our boys vs Newcastle tmrw as we have to be on top of our game to beat them.

02 Mar 2018 21:50:29
A few negative clicks with the owners being ripped to shreds once again.

I've followed the reds home and away since the early 80's and seen my beloved club go through so many changes. I'm intrigued as to who the likes of Waro would like to see at the helm of our club.

If people want to give off then they should blame the likes of Rupert Murdoch and BSB, the birth of the Premier League totally ruined football, sent numerous clubs under, trying to keep up with player spending and salaries.

So, do you want to be a soulless club like Manchester United, a mere number on the stock exchange? Or a Manchester City?

Yes we've sold our best players because they've wanted to leave! Not because the owners want to line those pockets. Asking our best players is nothing new, we sold Keegan in 77, Souness in 84, Rush in 87, Mcmanaman in 99 to name a few. Yes we replaced with quality but not for the ridiculous fees today!

Money has been reinvested back into the team from player sales, unfortunately, we bought the the likes of Andy Carroll, Stuart Downing, Charlie Adam! The list goes on and on.

Football has been a business since the early 90's and it's only going to get worse.

I love what Klopp is building at the moment and am glad we didn't buy just for the sake of it in January when we sold Coutinho.

Maybe we should have put another £35m bid to bring Andy Caroll back to Anfield?

Want to blame anyone in recent times for our demise then blame David Moore’s for holding our club back!

03 Mar 2018 08:23:12
Bomb fire 😂.

03 Mar 2018 08:36:22
Planet reality? There's none so blind as those who can't see. You've bought into propaganda mate and are far too patriotic to give a realistic opinion.

03 Mar 2018 11:11:38
Predictive text unfortunately stone age and I didn't read through my post before hitting the send button, but if that's your only retort to my post it shows you have nothing to counter my points.

You're all getting excited about maybe getting to where Arsenal have been for the last 15 years regularly top four win the odd F.A. Cup and have lots of money in the bank. They have got away with that business model for maybe 6 or 7 longer than they should of and its finally caught up with them, and you all aspire to that? I've probably been spoilt by the success I've witnessed but for me it's about being the very best and that will never happen under these owners.

03 Mar 2018 16:13:59
Sorry Waro it was a cheap shot but it just made me smile for a sec. Rather than an Arsenal, I genuinely see us challenging City for the top spot next season. We’re also heading for the last 8 in the champions league hopefully (maybe further, who knows but we can dream? ), our footy is exciting and entertaining and we have one of the best stadia in the world. The fact we’re operating at a profit is irrelevant.

02 Mar 2018 06:45:35
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 2nd March 2018

02 Mar 2018 10:21:16
Good read Ed. Fair play to Merton. Should be more like him.

{Ed001's Note - took me a while to figure out who you meant than! I was thinking of that guy from Have I Got News For You and wondering why you mentioned him.}

02 Mar 2018 11:51:39
Sorry Ed. New phone. Got the silly text on.

{Ed001's Note - no worries, there are so many stories in these I lose track of them so it is difficult to decipher typos etc.}