Liverpool Banter Archive June 02 2017

 

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02 Jun 2017 22:38:13
Well once again the transfer window is on the horizon. hopefully during this window we don't faff around with trying 2 agree a fee all window! It's happend so much in the past few years but still I manage to get my hopes up year in year out lol. Mata at Valencia, Salah at Basel, Gaston Ramirez at Bolonga, Shapiri at Basel, Eriksen at Ajax, Willian at Shakhtar, Alexis at Barca, Konoplyanka at Dnipro, Mkhitaryan at Shakhtar the list goes onnnn.

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02 Jun 2017 23:58:25
Half them you named this was not even the case.


03 Jun 2017 00:43:39
I wouldn't want half of them today. You reckon Shakhiri and Ramirez would make the first team? I doubt it.


03 Jun 2017 07:52:00
Obviously not now! But at the time they would of.


03 Jun 2017 08:03:42
Thankfully we have the chance to put right the mistake with signing Salah at the second opportunity.


02 Jun 2017 21:31:53
Hi eds. great to hear from macca. Can you please shed some lights on players moving out cause am more concern player moving out rather then coming in. still remember whenever I expects the next season will be great or expects to have a great season our best players usually moves to some other club to name a few xabi, Torres, Suarez. so hopefully not coutinho this time. any can you please tell us what is the current transfer status regarding Milner, sahko, can, ings, Daniel. Thanks you.

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02 Jun 2017 22:08:51
Consider yourself lucky Ed002 is not around tonight haha! It's all been covered buddy, use the search function.


02 Jun 2017 20:56:42
Crazy transfer season! For me we should be going in for mendy ( probably the best left back that's ready for first team) & salah. our problem last season was the bottom half of the table sides. The sides that sit deep and we struggle against so adding pace which we lacked when mane was away and out wouldn't seriously improve us and mendy would provide not only good width but good defensive cover. Salah who would run in behind and stretch team which leaves more space for our midfield/ attackers and mendy would add width and make the pitch bigger to give more space, he might also put a left foot cross in ( instead of the usual Milner cut back on to his right classic) what you think eds?

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{Ed025's Note - sounds good to me frosty..

03 Jun 2017 10:47:22
Thanks eds show this to klopp if you get chance.


{Ed025's Note - i will do mate..

02 Jun 2017 20:37:19
Cant we just use our loyalty card and buy bertrand whilst where there trying to get VVD. If we could convince saints to take Sakho in return (sadly a better CB than any at the club currently) that would be good business imo.

Dont mind the Salah one that's some great pace down both channels!

Think Solanke could prove a smart piece of business aswell

Welcome back Macca been a while bud!

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02 Jun 2017 21:39:17
Weird thing is that I can't recall any of the football experts on here suggesting we sign Salah, then a strong rumour surfaces and suddenly he's the best thing since sliced bread.

I seem to recall many slagging him off after he rejected us, which he did do of course.

Fickle bunch you are.


{Ed025's Note - liverpool fans fickle davey?...you cant be serious mate.. :)

02 Jun 2017 21:59:02
Probably the same as nobody suggested mane until he was linked or coutinho or suarez or pretty much half the players that do arrive. So what was the point here other than a nice setup for ed25 ha.

No different to any other set of fans at another club so be careful davey that castle your in is made of sand! .


{Ed025's Note - if i see a hole in a gate bobby i will walk right through it mate.. :)

02 Jun 2017 22:26:55
Totally different situation.

Anyway, you've basically said it, were just as fickle as everyone else in football.

Funny how the mighty fall for a juicy rumour.


02 Jun 2017 22:29:03
I know Ed but that one had flashing lights and a welcome sign ha.


{Ed025's Note - love it bobby..

03 Jun 2017 09:24:30
And of course you have never ever done that yourself davey!


02 Jun 2017 20:21:17
First time posting Van Dijk is a contract length issue not so much wages think this will be rectified. The wage offered to Mandy was 40% reduction on what he is currently on that will definitely not happen. Liverpool are 100% interested in Mahrez not sure if that will happen and finally a team in France have offered 80m for harry Kane which will come out in the press soon.

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02 Jun 2017 20:45:11
Craig may I ask who/ what your sources are? So do you have any news on Keita et al.


02 Jun 2017 20:55:43
Out of interest, how did you get this information Craig?


02 Jun 2017 21:04:11
Mandy must be on a fortune.

Mahrez?!?! Mahrez and Salah can't see that happening.

Hope your right on the VVD.


02 Jun 2017 22:01:46
Mahrez all day long.


02 Jun 2017 19:04:34
I don't think I could give a post more of a thumbs down than for some of you moaning lot! Have a little faith and stop living in fantasy land where we have an unlimited treasure chest! Ed002 has explained thousands of times that the cost to the club is often waaaaay more than the headline transfer fee that is reported in the press!

Some of you lot can be right moaning Murtles at times!

Red Sandman.

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02 Jun 2017 19:20:16
But how can spending 50 mil on vvd be more than 40 for mendy. Even if it is your not talking about alot.

Also we havr funds were just pissing them down the drain.

Hate fans who think thete better than the others.


02 Jun 2017 20:16:25
The cost for every other club is also way more than the reported transfer fees. That's not Liverpool specific so it's not an excuse. Everyone pays all the fees related to transfers. Doesn't stop our competitors it shouldn't stop us.


{Ed025's Note - the likes of city, united and chelsea are in a different spending league to liverpool jezza mate..

02 Jun 2017 21:01:39
Love the irony of a fan moaning about moaning fans.

I'm so fed up with people moaning I'm going to moan about it.

Lolz.


02 Jun 2017 21:14:00
Liverpool Accounts for the year to May 31 2016: Turnover £302m
Net debt Not stated; bank loan £55m; FSG loan £110m

Manchester United Accounts for the year to June 30 2016 Turnover: £515m. Net debt £261m

Manchester City Accounts for the year to May 31 2016: Turnover £392m. Net debt £11m

Chelsea Accounts for the year to June 30, 2016. Turnover £335m
Net debt Not stated; £1.14bn owed to Abramovich

Arsenal Accounts for the year to May 31, 2016: Turnover £354m
Net debt £6m

UTD may have the most debt but one can see from there turnover they are easily dealing with it.

Abramovich, well, he will make sure that Chelsea sell on players to have enough to to level out incomings. That is the only way he can try not to keep on writing off debt against himself.

Arsenal are a very well managed financially.

City are still looking pretty after the family sponsorship deal of the Ethiad.

Liverpool on the other hand, go crazy in this window and have a bad season could see FSG rolling in their graves by the start of the following season. When running an establishment which has debt which multiplied by 2 exceeds the clubs turnover = not a very good sight. Not very good for Liverpool.

£70m for VVD anyone?


02 Jun 2017 22:03:52
But liverpool arw about to pay 50 million for vvd. On probably a 5 yesr deal at 150k a week and then a 3/ 5 mil signing fee. And 5 mil in agent fees.

Thats avout 100 mil.

The same principle for mendy but his fee at 39. Equals less.


02 Jun 2017 23:57:37
Excelent info max! Hope people see that we cannot expend like the other teams.

May I ask, where did you find that info?


02 Jun 2017 18:48:02
I see a lot of Keita Baldé roumors popping op this evening from BBC among others. Proper left winger this!

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02 Jun 2017 19:21:12
Not an option. He may be away once in a while at the ACON so we aren't allowed to sign him. .


02 Jun 2017 19:44:09
Nailed on to go to Juve by all accounts.


02 Jun 2017 18:03:17
Just for a bit of fun amongst the transfer roller coaster, name those players who you think had successful returns to clubs they previously left.

I'm going to get the ball rolling with Ian Rush, when he returned from Juve.

Who can name some more? Returning from a loan spell doesn't count.

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02 Jun 2017 18:24:43
Joe Cole returning to west. Haha, just kidding.

Beardsley has to be in with a shout for Newcastle.


02 Jun 2017 18:46:12
Torres to Atletico has gone as well as a 32 year old striker going back to where he started could arguably go. Or Dirk Kuyt back to Feynoord seeing as he scored a hat trick in the defining game to win the title.


02 Jun 2017 18:52:14
Good old Dirk and Feyernood?


02 Jun 2017 18:58:57
Robbie Fowler didn't do too bad when he came home.


02 Jun 2017 19:23:21
Steve Staunton 😆.


02 Jun 2017 19:27:13
Matic at Chelsea.
Zaha for Palace has done alright.
Sigurosson for Swansea (be it on loan)


02 Jun 2017 19:37:57
Mark Hughes unfortunately.
Man utd - Barcelona - Man utd cleaned up when he came back.


02 Jun 2017 20:06:15
David Luiz to Chelsea.


02 Jun 2017 20:16:19
Good shouts there, Beardo, Torres and Sparky stand out.

I thought about God, but he really didn't hit the heights second time around, although the sentimental angle was certainly covered! WE had the best of God first time around 😎👍.


02 Jun 2017 21:37:07
Drogba back to Chelsea. Gerard Pique and Fabregas back to Barcelona. Hummels back to Bayern Munich. I think you can say that only Fabregas's return did not meet expectations.


02 Jun 2017 23:04:19
I can't believe I forgot Craig BELLAMY!


02 Jun 2017 16:08:06
Our first choice XI (firmino edition) was up there with the best in the prem. Our lack of quality depth was a big factor in helping us overcome the inevitable physical and mental fatigue that build up over a season as well as covering injuries. It is understandable that some want the likes of Griezman as a top-end signing. But we shouldn't dismiss the value of adding the likes of salah to an already elite attack brings in terms of quality depth at 1st team level.

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02 Jun 2017 16:19:20
I don't think it's fair to judge Salah on one half season under Mourinho. He's only 24 and his best years are ahead of him. He's been utterly superb this season abc returned to the form at Basle when he ripped most teams apart in the Champions League.


02 Jun 2017 16:35:25
It's hard to fully judge a lot of players under Mourinho. Lukaku, Salah, KDB and even Luke Shaw now. he seems to intimidate players in a negative factor. Judging Salah in that short spell at Chelsea shouldn't be looked upon 2 seriously, he for me is a great talent, explosive pace, unreal dribbling ability and a decent eye for goal and most importantly can easily adjust across all 3 attacking positions in our free flowing play.


02 Jun 2017 17:24:08
Don't forget he bullied Hazard and impaired his ability. Salah is a really good signing when all said and done.


02 Jun 2017 19:12:57
Every time I saw salah play for Chelsea he seemed electric. Fair enough he didn't play often but I really don't think he got a decent chance. I'd be pleased with his signing.


02 Jun 2017 16:07:56
Ed01 can I get your thoughts on the current striker situation at the club? With Solanke already in and maybe Luan soon, do you think we will loan out Origi or Ings? I think a loan for Origi would be perfect. Get played week in week out and come back to us ready to take first choice. can't see us selling Sturridge or Firmino so that will leave us with Firmino, Sturridge, Origi, Luan, Ings and Solanke as our strikers which is obviously too many some will have to leave permanently or on loan. Who do you think will make way in your opinion?

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{Ed001's Note - Ings needs to get fit first and there is every chance Sturridge will leave over the summer.}

02 Jun 2017 16:27:03
I'm actually excited about Luan young Brazilian remind you of anyone? He's rated in Brazil as much as Gabby jesus.


02 Jun 2017 22:20:55
Are we still looking a Luan haven't heard much.


02 Jun 2017 16:04:36
All this speculation about Virgil van Dijk seems a bit strange as I remember Klopp saying that he wasn't looking for another centre back.

Is it Klopp's position that has changed or is it van Dijk's as he is going to be deployed as a left winger?

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02 Jun 2017 16:48:24
Or as a CF like another recent infamous CB loan?


02 Jun 2017 15:38:16
Ideal transfer window:

VVD
Mendy
Salah

Budget spent. But 3 players that greatly improve our starting 11!

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02 Jun 2017 15:58:21
I agree, would of preferred Douglas Costa instead of Salah but can't complain too much. Although if Lacazzete were still available and we sold Sturridge I would be biting the owners arm off to get that deal done.


02 Jun 2017 16:32:34
I believe Mendy has all but signed for City according to reports for around £40 million so, onto next LB targets.


02 Jun 2017 16:42:46
Not many left backs out there to be fair. Mendy would of been perfect in an ideal world or even an Alex Sandro from Juve but that would be dreaming. Realistically we should look at the likes of Hector, Ghoulam or Ricardo Rodriquez.


03 Jun 2017 23:42:30
Liverpool4life, the LB option of Rodriguez and maybe Ghoulam, are not good enough as they cannot defend at all. hector is now playing the DM position for Koln but LB for Germany so don't know how that would work here either. Mendy has improved since his Jekyl and Hyde days at OM and glad to see he has developed to a very good LB. I hope the stong Ricardo Pereira interest will yield something as he is just as good if not better than Mendy. Also, he is two footed and can play the RB/ LB positions easily.


02 Jun 2017 14:59:57
Side note. In love with the new away kit.

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02 Jun 2017 21:16:09
Wheres our second podcast benny, you promised us. 😣.


02 Jun 2017 13:56:12
With all these new names being thrown around i. e salah, the ox etc. what's going to happen to the likes of sheyi ojo, harry wilson. Wilson had a fantastic season bags of goals and assists. I no ojo been out injured but there was a lot expected of the lad. Do you see them getting a chance or just bring sold?

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02 Jun 2017 14:41:43
If either of them EARNS a chance and injuries or suspension hits then they'll get the chance. Ojo has done nothing since his injury to earn a chance others have so he needs to climb the ladder again. Wilson is different in my opinion he has never proved anything in adult football because of his size he needs a good loan. In my opinion Ryan Kent is ahead of Wilson because he's earned his stripes in adult football he's far less of a risk.


02 Jun 2017 14:51:49
You have to remember that this year we weren't in Europe and look how much we struggled when Klopp put out a second string team in the cups (rightly or wrongly) . We do have a lot of players but lack any quality depth.

As much as I don't like Mourinho, he was right when he said it's better to field younger players in a team with quality than just a load of youth players. How good will it be if we have a game on a Sunday where we can play Mane and Coutinho, and then a European/ Cup game where we can play a fresh Salah, Wilson, Woodburn or Mane again.

I think the problem comes if we sign 3+ new forwards on top of what we had. that would be unnecessary! But at the moment we've only signed Solanke so all good.


02 Jun 2017 13:12:07
Our targets are a lot more exciting than a few years back! Do remember a time existed when we were consistently linked with Carlton Cole.

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02 Jun 2017 13:46:10
Such as? Salah who failed in the prem already, Robertson who was relegated with Hull and Oxlade-Chamberlain who is mostly injured and can't get regular football at Arsenal. Maybe the prospect of £50m plus on VVD is one to excited about? BUT we all know he's neither exciting or worth £50m.

This reminds me when we won the CL and didn't bother to spring on. We should be looking at Mendy, Mbappe, Grizman and players that take us to the next level. We have money, a top coach and FINALLY CL football and i've listed the 'quality' we're aiming for.


{Ed025's Note - whoah back max, the players you want with addons, wages, agents fees tax and vat will exceed £400m..you need to lay off that football manager game mate..

02 Jun 2017 14:08:39
I don't think even Football Manager allows such ridiculous dealings. Fifa maybe.
It's as if people think that qualifying for CL gave us this treasure box of gold and apparently we should now only be looking at 100 million players.
Really ridiculous. But then again the same people cried over Gini and Mane last season.


02 Jun 2017 14:20:18
I like our targets, would prefer keita over ox but beggars can't be choosers. People forget we already have a good team, we are adding quality for depth.


02 Jun 2017 14:41:48
I agree Carlton, the likes of VVD, Salah, Keita and Mendy are the calibre you want to be genuinely linked with. People bagging Salah really need to get a grip and look at his performance stats for Roma and watch some clips. He is an absolute weapon. Watch his goal for Fiorentina against Juventus. He failed at Chelsea because was only 21 and personally wasn't ready for the adjustment.

I agree the likes of Robertson are underwhelming, but he's not exactly a priority target.


02 Jun 2017 15:02:28
The point is ed.

Any of griezman, mbabbe, mendy, auba, laporte etc on there own make us bettee than a ton of.

Robertson, vvd, tymon, probably even salah.

So 400 mil on 6 players or 150 on one (all the fees that is)

Say 40 million mendy, wages addons.

He will make lovren better. Whoever plays on the lw better. Will add more crosses and danger. he's a top level player.

This is what we always do. Year after yesr.

Can i just ask does none remember the following

Ballo, lallana, markovic, can, lovren, moreno, lambert and manquillo.

There all ok players. Even lallana isn't world class. Great for us but one of at that time. sanchez, groezzman, mane etc would of taken uo a level.

Salah, robertson, tymon, vvd, oxlade.

Does noone see the resemblanc3.

Lovren was meant to change our entire defence. Vvd is coming from southampton wheres h3s been less than great. 50 million is time to walk away.

How mucb on a scale of 100 is he an upgrade on lovren. Unless its 100 then there's no point.

Mendy how much of an upgrade is he on milner or moreno. get my drift

Then what hapoens is you now have your squad lb in milner.

Should never buy under quality of what you have. always higher and the lesser player becomes the squad player.


02 Jun 2017 16:24:22
Super in the real world there are depts to manage and opex costs to consider. While you may feel we should be targeting those players we may simply not be able to afford it with current wage bill. Have to also consider whether those targets want to come and if they do what their wage expectations are agents fees, add ons etc. We are simply not in the same bracket as citeh or chelski and we can't offer the mega wages.

Maybe its best to lower you expectations especially as we have a rookie to football chief exec handling negotiations. Bound to have a few f@#k ups in his first few tries. Lol.


02 Jun 2017 17:08:06
The bit I'm confused about is the throwing the kitchen sink at Southampton to sign VVD, when CB is not a priority, but letting Mendy slip through our fingers when we were so desperate for a LB that we shoehorned a CM/ winger in there last season. I'll reserve judgement on the rest for now. I don't think spending £100+ million on a show pony ego like Greizmann is a good shout, not Klopps style, but I don't think we should be scrimping on priority positions like LB or LW.


02 Jun 2017 17:12:13
Honestly who is using numbers as letters in 2017? Weird.


02 Jun 2017 17:53:24
Fact is we bid for Mbappe, we showed real interest in Mendy. You buy cheap you buy twice. Why buy Robertson at £10m and Sessengnon (not ready) £15m when we could have the real deal ready and possibly the best in Mendy for £40m. We'd only need him. For years we'd be covered and have the best LB.
What do the actual top sides do? Buy top level quality in one or two positions elevate the squad, continue to compete and continue to have CL football so each window a top level player arrives. Money makes money. We either want to be back on top winning everything like we used to and take this opportunity or again miss it. Don't think Man. city, Utd Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal won't be buying top names. That's five into four already and Everton will have cash. None of these teams are buying Ox, Robertson and the like.


02 Jun 2017 18:57:11
Max and super are right.

We've done the same thing for years. When was the last time we had a quality left back? How many have we bought over the past 10 years at what cost?

You can make this point for a number of positions all through our first 11.

We'd be better off this summer buying a quality proven striker and nothing else as opposed to 3-4 players who may make our first 11.

I can see us heading into the league with firmino playing as a 9 again. I really like firmino but not as a 9 because he isn't a 9 and he isn't a 25-30 premier league goals a season player, and teams rarely win titles without one.


02 Jun 2017 20:16:48
How can people want a LB more than a CB? The centre back position is a much more important. No team wins the Prem without a top class CB, unless they have a world class DM in front, as Leicester had Kante. Van Dijk was arguably the best defender in the Prem before he got injured so will surely help a defence that has been leaking goals.

Sure, LB is important too since Milner is currently playing there, but there's a reason why CBs are generally more expensive. I'm sure we will buy a LB too, but if we have to settle for a mediocre one if it means bringing in Van Dijk, so be it.

And to people saying they'd rather have a striker than Van Dijk, did you not watch LFC play last season? We scored more than enough goals, and I'm sure Salah will add even more to that. Our biggest problem is conceding stupid goals, so it makes a lot of sense to make Van Dijk a priority. He might not be as exciting as Mbappe, but he's exactly what we need right now.


{Ed025's Note - no argument from me ryan mate..

02 Jun 2017 20:41:21
Wouldn't say Salah failed in the PL. He was 21 when he moved here, was only actually playing for Chelsea for 12 months, and the team was very competitive. People forget that players can get better.


02 Jun 2017 21:07:07
MAx and Mane are just moaners! VVD is just Paper talk too.


02 Jun 2017 22:28:04
Ok few things.

Man united won the league with evans and fletcher.

We couldn't win it with agger, carragher and alonso, also gerrard, macherano, torres, reina.

Vvd is not the league.

We were sailing last year start with matip and lovren they were solid with hendo in front. Are weaknesses as have been noted all over the f###$$%%%$$ park where at full back. Jisy beczuse someone throws a shiny spoon at you doesn't mean you need it.

Sign vvd and he will still have a crap lb and matip will still have a crap rb.

Cant polish a turd and all that.

We signes lovren instead of a top lb and thay worked out well, he was one of the too 3 cbs in the league when we got him. everyone was buzzing but put him next to a poor quality lb and he's not going to be good is he.

We have money, this is the real world. We are about to spend 50 million on a cb with a lot of questions marks over him, not to mention been out since jan with an ankle injury.

We are not imagining macca coming on and confirming mendy was a real option, also ed saying that another fullback deal (perieria) has been shifted because vvd has thrown himself at us.

Mendy was and always will be the beter option for us now. Lovren and matip with proper full backs will be better.

You think its clever to come on making out where all talking crap but you jist come across as a bit of a whopper.

Dont patronise us because we don't go with the flow and actually raise issues with things. i mean does your mum still do your washing, if so i apologise for coming across quite strongly. The real world isn't so straight forward that where just sheep who agree eith everything.

Liverpool in my opinion "am i still entitled to that? " Are making a serious mistake choosing vvd over mendy. Mendy should of been the priority and if we use all our budget then so be it.


02 Jun 2017 12:42:32
Anybody else have a suspicion that the signing of Oxlade Chamberlain would be with a view to using him as an alternative to Clyne?

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02 Jun 2017 12:59:23
I was thinking that too.


02 Jun 2017 13:07:14
no. although i was thinking that if we signed salah he could be used at lb.


02 Jun 2017 13:14:37
Perhaps. He's very versatile so he would be a good squad player especially with champions league coming up. My only worry about him is his price. Anything below £20m is a fair price for me.


02 Jun 2017 13:15:03
I seriously doubt the player would be remotely close to being interested in joining us if that's the case. He was talking about how he wanted to be like Steven Gerrard!


02 Jun 2017 13:23:41
U mean OX at RB? That's just stupid imo. He has no defensive nous or end product. Basically we are signing the English Alberto Moreno. Unnecessary signing imo, and the wages he would want could be put to complete the VVD and Salah deals.


02 Jun 2017 13:24:12
Hmmm, I was thinking he'd be instead of Keita, but you might be onto something there.


02 Jun 2017 16:05:13
The more I think about it the more it wouldn't surprise me, he finished the season as a wing back at Arsenal and put in a few decent shifts. He played a central midfielder at full back all of last year and it wasnt a disaster, and we are apparently signing a RW to play on the LW, foolish to rule it out just because you consider him a winger.


03 Jun 2017 23:42:32
This love-in with Ox is just baffling. People say he is versatile. Wrong. He is simply a jack of all trades and master of none. he is also very injury-prone and not better than even our squad players. Him at RB would be madness as he can't defend, can't attack and is just a runner (something anyone even myself can do) . I propose we stay away from him cos he along with Walcott, Ramsey and Gibbs, have been stuck in neutral for years now at Arsenal in terms of their development. We can definitely do better than him even as a squad player.


02 Jun 2017 12:34:36
Just recalling Ed01s comments on VVD and in particular his game awareness. whilst he looked good at Southampton would our system not expose him just as much as it does Lovren? a lot of money and possibly a gamble?

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02 Jun 2017 12:52:56
Apart from fact VVD is very quick compared to lovren. As he showed on a few occasions, getting back at Mane to make great block. Also stronger and better on the ball. Offers a goal threat more so than lovren etc. I think he would be brilliant signing, and have said since watching him a lot at celtic a top premiership side should sign him back then!


02 Jun 2017 13:03:56
every transfer is a gamble, and just like gambling some pay off and some don't. Van Dijk is physically far superior to Lovren though, in size and strength and most importantly pace.


02 Jun 2017 13:08:23
Lovren is not a bad defender. The lack of protection exposes the defensive line. We need a DM.

VVD not happening anyway but great point Red.


02 Jun 2017 13:30:16
Truly hope you are both right! I haven't watched him closely enough but hopefully Hendo will be around more to screen those counterattacks anyway.


03 Jun 2017 23:43:35
I agree with you, Red and Bedd. VVD ain't going to happen and for that price, I am glad as he is not even close to being worth it. He lacks game awareness, concentration and positioning.

He also plays in a team with potentially two DM's in Romeu and/ or Classie/ Hojbjerg in front of him hence, he is well protected. That would not happen here (as we don't play with a pure DM) as our CB's are often exposed and would be required to defend one on one during counter attacks. This is where he will be found out and frankly, I'd either get someone better for cheaper or coach up the CB's we currently have now.


02 Jun 2017 11:45:48
With Salah seemingly close, are or will we look to get a young winger on such as Malcolm or a Demeria Gray?

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02 Jun 2017 11:59:08
Malcom or Gray are seriously no better than Ryan Kent or Sheyi Ojo.
Ryan Kent has been as impressive in the Championship as Gray before Leicester snapped him up, and send Ojo to Ligue 1 on loan for a season and i gurantee better numbers than malcoms. Joe Cole was amazing on loan at Lille.


02 Jun 2017 12:01:40
Can't imagine why we'd need to sign more than Salah and Solanke upfront TBH, we already have Coutinho, Firmino, Sturridge, Origi and Mane who can happily play there, as well as Ings coming back, and juniors coming through in Wilson, Woodburn and Ojo (even if untested)

Only exception would be if someone like Sturridge leaves (but then I'd hope for more than those two)


02 Jun 2017 14:26:54
Would love our youngsters to play. seems klopp not lover of ojo, Kent will be interesting one to see if klopp rates him enough. if not will only have 2 wingers. Maybe buy striker who can play out wide? .


02 Jun 2017 11:45:31
Cannot believe the negativity on here.

We finished fourth this season with a fairly young squad and missing key players for big chunks of the season. If we sign Salah, a LB and some decent cover for players then I can see Klopp pushing us on further next year. The worst thing would be for 4 or 5 signings to come in who don't gel and ruin the team ethic. Look at Chelsea this year, they didn't change personnel massively but walked the title. It is about the right players in the right system, not having 3 or 4 superstars.

It almost seems that people are going to write us off if we sign Robertson at left back. Personally I think he's fairly decent and are we forgetting that we have Milner who can cover if he needs time to settle in. The fact we aren't signing a 16 year old who sparkled in the Championship does not automatically mean we are missing out on the next Delle Alli.

Also, Salah is a quality player and will provide options providing he has matured and settles. A forward line of Firmino, Sturridge, Mane, Salah, Solanke and Origi provides plenty of options.

Midfield we have a multitude of options and I suspect we will add an extra face.
Our defence, whilst having a tendency to switch off, aren't as bad as people say and performed well in big games. I would be overjoyed with van Dijk but don't think he's essential. Some cover at CB may be needed as Lucas will not be around and Matip/ Lovren are prone to niggles.

Yes, FSG tactics may be annoying but very few clubs get their initial targets. I will take a Klopp team that has had 2-3 years together over a rip up and start again policy any day of the week.

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02 Jun 2017 12:04:07
Face it, Robertson is not good enough! Just accept facts and we won't have to sign tons of crap!


{Ed025's Note - now lets see...should i go with shilsha or klopp on this one?, its a tough call i know but im going for klopp.. :)

02 Jun 2017 12:20:31
We scraped fourth after a series of poor performances against the smaller teams. We won nothing. That's reality.
We struggled without Henderson and we need a top class midfielder regardless. Wijnaldim nor can are of that calibre. Keita would be a significant improvement.
Salah is a good player. Good buy especially if we have injuries. Brandt was ideal but these things happen.

Robertson might just be a great lad but he's a poor player. I'm not being politically correct because klopp rates him and others are now not available. He's simply not good enough

Ox if he comes will be another bad buy. He truly is the one that bewilders me. I see no place for him in the squad never mind first team which I'm sure he'll want assurances of. He's nowhere near good enough to play central midfield either which he wants.

We messed about with mendy who would have been a great buy. Van dijk is a great centre back. He's another one we're messing about with.

Let's improve the first team not add to the squad.


02 Jun 2017 12:24:30
Klopp has signed some utter dross in hos life as well not just sucsess stories plus you are a blue, your dream is for us to lose our best players and sign crap to replace them. We also have a transfer comitee so not only Klopp decides on everything. I bet you had a party when we sold Suarez, and then you had twice a big of a party when we replaced him with Balotelli and Lambertinho ;) But in all seriousness, you wouldn't want Robertson for Everton would you Pal?


{Ed025's Note - if the manager wanted him then i would trust his judgement shilsha, i dont get any joy from seeing liverpool fail, although i must admit i did have a smile when michael thomas scored for arsenal and the gerrard slip, but not out of nastiness just rivalry.. :)

02 Jun 2017 12:31:59
Geez. ed025 is more positive about us then our own supporters at the minute.


{Ed025's Note - thats because im not a spoilt brat smurf.. :)

02 Jun 2017 12:42:49
Well said Big Al, although in my opinion Salah is a better player than Saido Mane. People are making fun of the italian league although its by far one of the hardest leagues to score in due to how tactically disiplened italian teams are (unless the games are fixed that is, lol )
Simple example remember Mido? another Egyptian he was great for his 1st and a half seasons for Spurs before the guy just couldn't bring himself to stop eating, point is, Mido didn't score 1 goal for Roma in like 20-25 matches, check it out for yourself. Italian league is rough.


02 Jun 2017 13:09:34
sorry, Mido didn't score 1 single goal og have a single assist in 12 apperances not 20.


02 Jun 2017 13:15:52
Great point shiisha. Who could argue with that insight. Fellow Egyptian couldn't stop eating and wasn't so great after a season. Therefore all Egyptian footballers are the same!

Seriously?


02 Jun 2017 12:53:00
Its Shiisha ed025, and i guess you are right! hard to tell who the manager really wants at Liverpool though due to the comitee and the endless targets!


{Ed025's Note - sorry shiisha, i think you will find klopp has the upper hand on who comes in mate..

02 Jun 2017 13:33:13
Da funk are you talking about? salah is 10 times the player Mido ever was! My point which you completly missed was that the italian league is very tough. Just a coincidense Mido was in Roma and sucseeded somewhat at Tottenham. He was bloody awful for Roma though.


02 Jun 2017 13:34:33
Your post seriously defies all logic, i seriously rate Salah. please learn how to read man.


02 Jun 2017 13:34:58
Seriously rate** damn auto correct.


02 Jun 2017 18:40:08
Klopp was always going to pull of the odd baffling signing. Fortunately though I think most Liverpool fans like myself trust that there's method in the madness.

I thought paying 34m for mane was shocking and look at how he fit in to our system perfectly without a hitch

If Klopp is after this Robertson lad then fair enough, believe in klipperty.


02 Jun 2017 11:43:31
I'm sure I got abit of stick when I mentioned the salah transfer a few days ago.

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02 Jun 2017 11:53:18
All hail the guy that can read news reports from other countries ;)


02 Jun 2017 11:58:41
I think I was one of those waving the stick, my apologies.
Of course if we do sign Salah then we should all get behind him and enjoy his speed and skill.


03 Jun 2017 23:06:14
I for one, am excited with the Salah signing should it happen. I don't care about his time at Chelsea as he never really got a chance to play and Mou has a record of ditching talented players or wingers who can't play the FB position in his bus-parking tactics like Schurle, KDB, Mata. Even Hazard had a pop at him for doing that a few years ago and that got him bencched. Salah has improved massively in Italy and with Klopp at the helm, I am excited at what he can do.


02 Jun 2017 11:14:11
Hi Ed001

Can you provide a transfer update on your end? as Macca has come out of the blue to provide info for wondered what your take on it all was?

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I did one the other day mate, I am a bit busy now, I will try and do one next week though.}

02 Jun 2017 11:54:55
Transfer update

By all accounts the club still needs someone competant to deal with transfers. can't be good for the clubs reputation reneging on terms already agreed and could cause difficulties in future negotiations with other clubs players and their agents. Even if it was down to fsg and not edwards it does ask the question is he the man for the job. someone stronger and more experienced wouldn't have let this happen.


{Ed025's Note - "by all accounts" says it all for me kloppcat, the daily sport once ran a story that lord lucan was found riding shergar on the moon..by all accounts.. :)

02 Jun 2017 12:51:09
Damn Ed25 you mean you're only now telling me the Lord Lucan riding Shergar on the moon is a fabricated story. I know you're busy with us lot but please a little more haste on these stories please haha.


{Ed025's Note - sorry to burst your bubble there red-mist, mind you its not the most outlandish thing that i have seen after reading some of these pages mate.. :)

02 Jun 2017 12:02:47
ok mate no probs - do you think we will now sign VVD?

Cheers.


{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

02 Jun 2017 14:05:55
So which is it?

1 its not true
2 if it is true it hasn't done further damaged to an already tarnished reputation or
3 the man on the moon is in charge of lfc transfers.


02 Jun 2017 10:39:00
Ed01 do you think Marco Asensio of RM would be an option worth considering?

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{Ed001's Note - they would not sell him and he would not be interested in the move.}

02 Jun 2017 10:57:30
OK cheers anyhow.


{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

02 Jun 2017 10:30:37
Should have gone all out for Mendy. If it were me it would be Mendy and Mbappe, blow the funds on those two as we have a squad already capable of beating anyone. We need this quality to elevate.
Once we sold Sakho (unfortunately), Moreno, Markovic (although I'd give him a chance till Jan) and then anyone else.
Any cash from those can add either a LW or CB if we really need another.

Personally don't get the £50m need for Keita, we have Can, Gini, Hendo, Ejaria coming through, Chiverlla (spelling) and Klopp sees Coutiniho in CM. If we signed quality like Mendy then add Milner to the CMs as well.

Also don't get the £50m plus need for VVD, yes in a way as our defence is shocking, but Matip is amazing, he's in. Lovren signed bumper deal, Klaven is Klopps choice and we all see and want Gomez to stay and play, who can also do a job at LB if required.

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02 Jun 2017 11:44:45
you mean coutinho in Barca's midfield right? hilarious that people actually believe Lallana, Emre, Hendo, Wijunaldum, Firmino, Mane, Salah, The Ox will be happy for 1 sec om the bench. i see transfer requests left and right if ANY og those players was fully fit and had to sit on their ass for more than 2 games. We are Liverpool, we will forever be in transition. Last time we finished in the CL we sold Suarez. Nothing has changed!


02 Jun 2017 09:06:48
If the Macca rumours are right then to me even early doors it feels like here we go again.
Who keeps leaking all our transfer targets too? It seems strange that all our transfer targets and business are usually so out in the open.
We just can not keep behaving this way, I honestly think FSG believe players will come on thecback of the clubs history but they wont, I hear fans saying they should come and want to play for the red shirt but yet they owe us nothing to be honest, whoever comes will be coming to get paid and that's the hard truth, other clubs have overtaken us, they are happy to pay top top wages and we are not, its no good arguing what's value and what isn't as we can all see what top sides are paying, im not saying its right or doesn't leave a bitter taste of how footballs changed but we can't go backwards.
To compete we need to stop messing about, this isn't baseball this is football and its as plain as the nose on your face that we always manage to cause a fuss and miss out on who we really wanted, we have a dire reputstion around Europe now and its a wonder anyone wants to deal with us at all.
Just get the deals done and stop leaking our business.
Ive no faith in these owners at all sorry, the new stand is wonderful but we can not keep competing while we are shopping in netto when in all probability we should be shopping in Harrods.
YNWA.

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02 Jun 2017 09:49:52
According to the people that seem to know anything (Macca and Ed001) VVD is desperate to join us over other clubs. So i tend not to agree with most of your post.

In addition the owners have pumped huge amounts of money into the club, they have paid off debts they have done an excellent job of expanding the stadium and they have spent money on players.

When you consider that they took over from two clowns who pushed the club to the brink of falling apart and a Leeds style plummet I think they have done amazingly.

Ok so they aren't willing to pay huge wages. Good! What has VVD done to show that he is worth more than everyone else in the squad.

I want a fair wage structure at the club, pay a fair salary and incentivise with performance bonuses based on the performance of the team.

For VVD for example I would give him bonuses for clean sheets, I would give him bonuses for qualifying for the champions league next year and I would give him bonuses based on total goals conceded in the league, if we are in the best 4 in the league for goals conceded then he gets a bonus.

This would give him the incentive to not only keep concentrated on the pitch but would also give him the incentive to help improve those around him. It would mean that he would want to succeed as a defensive unit and not just as an individual.

I don't want the club to pay huge wages to people because they think they deserve them, look at Rooney at United. On £300k a week for nothing? I want Liverpool's players to be some of the best paid players in the league. If they deserve it only!


{Ed025's Note - good post that dawn..

02 Jun 2017 10:06:00
I hear you I really do, and like I said if you read it again, it leaves a bitter taste that football has gone this way, but anyone who thinks football is either going back to how it was or that we are going to compete shopping in the bargain basement once we have yet again missed out on our first targets is barking up the wrong tree.
EVERYONE will be strengthening this time, City have started already, UTD will spend big Im sure, Arsene will have a point to prove and will finally get his hand in his pocket, Chelsea will look to be stronger to defend the title, Spurs are on the up and up, Everton have money and there is no way Koeman won't look to bring in players.
Im sorry but the Michael Keanes of this world will not help us compete with the squads they will have.
Id love to be proven wrong but until the owners who granted have spent money, start to pay wages to compete with everyone else we will be left behind and that's the harsh truth of it right there.
Id love a team of Gerrards all loving to play for the shirt, but its a job and getting paid is paramount whether we as fans like it or not.


02 Jun 2017 10:24:54
If you're having to pay bonuses to a defender as an incentive to make them concentrate on the pitch, so that they keep a cleansheet, then you're signing the wrong player. I want someone whose incentive is to keep a cleansheet because they want to win, not because they want a wage bonus.

Agree though about the owners.


02 Jun 2017 10:28:28
Very good read that RedDawn!


02 Jun 2017 10:30:22
We have lost out on the likes ofDelle Ali due to scrimping over a few quid
If we want the best we just have to pay what the going rate is
It's the way football is.


02 Jun 2017 10:48:21
A lot of Liverpools players are on performance bonuses if the leaked German papers are to be believed. Can's overhead kick seen him earn £10k, plus he is on clean sheet bonuses, like Firmino is on assist bonuses. I don't tend to agree with this style of payment, as it is there job in the first place. If my company paid me a bonus every time I do something that is expected of me anyway, I would like to think I'd be a rich man.


02 Jun 2017 13:14:45
Ed25 how can that be a good post mate? Our owners themselves agreed paying VVD wages and then at last minute they changed. How emembarrassing is it for club of our size and how long will we continue like this? Coz if u listen ed2 he has been saying how laughing stock we've become in Europe with such behaviour& seems nothing is goi.


{Ed025's Note - i though he made some very good points K7 and how accurate the changing of the terms were is very debatable, the owners have come in for some unfair stick if you ask me mate..

02 Jun 2017 13:39:00
Bonuses are the norm! you guys are acting like it's something weird! every single GK have a clean sheet bonus f. eks. its the way it is.


02 Jun 2017 14:47:38
I believe Liverpool have tried to prioritise bonuses and add-ons over flat rate salaries over the last few years more so than other clubs.


02 Jun 2017 08:43:04
Morning Eds. Can I just ask, how are Liverpool signing Solanke and Raitanen considering we have a transfer ban on youth team players? Apologises if this has been answered but I couldn't see it anywhere!

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{Ed001's Note - did either join the academy?}

02 Jun 2017 09:09:50
Raitanen joined the academy but was not from an English club, so it was fine.


02 Jun 2017 09:09:53
Raitanen is 15 years old. Is that too young for the Academy Eds?


02 Jun 2017 09:00:21
The ban only applies inside England and Solanke is a 'senior' player now.


02 Jun 2017 08:39:33
Jetro Willems is a player that was linked with us a few years ago and amazingly he's just 23 yrs old.

Hes a good LB that would not command a big fee and perhaps could be a good addition.

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02 Jun 2017 09:26:55
Decent shout bigD, but i feel the reason no bigger club has made a move is because he's defensively very weak.


02 Jun 2017 08:29:43
Hi im not sure who mentioned it. But what caused the change in Mings form near the end of season. Did we change the goalkeeper coach?

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02 Jun 2017 08:55:49
very happy with his development, Hopefully he keeps it up!


02 Jun 2017 08:57:44
No but Achterberg used different training techniques which have clearly paid off.


02 Jun 2017 09:28:13
Felt really confident with him for the last 2/ 3 months or so, he dominated the penalty box and made some crucial saves, long may it continue.


02 Jun 2017 10:55:05
I hope we see similar progress with Karius. I think once he irons out a few issues he can be a very good keeper. Well done to Migs for stepping up (finally)


02 Jun 2017 06:09:09
Hi everyone?
Wonderful to see Macca back,
VVD is the guy who would very much turn us title contenders.
Going forward, we're as good as everyone, but it's defensively where Spurs and Chelsea set themselves apart.

What's the latest on Luan and what are his arternatives.

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02 Jun 2017 09:02:51
VVD is a good player but forget the fee ask yourself who is better Sakho or VVD?

Also we need a quality LB mainly as like you rightly said our first 11 is very good but its our squad that needs addressing, so when we make a sub its someone who can change a game.


02 Jun 2017 11:38:44
Look, forget Sakho, Klopp doesn't want him at the club, he is balotelli 2.0 with his antics and klopp is a serious guy. Sakho jokes around more than he trains in training, klopp wants training to be taken as seriously as real matches.


03 Jun 2017 00:07:19
Sakho is by far the better player though and im pretty sure most fans would agree.

Palace would have gone down had he not saved them!

VVD is good but Klopp n Sakho should make up as its going to cost the club a lot of money which could be spent elsewhere.


01 Jun 2017 22:51:43
Ed1, assuming that Macca is right and we get VVD do you think that spells the end for Gomez or maybe Matip? I can't imagine Matip would be happy on the bench and Lovren has signed a new deal.

What do you think?

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - VVD plays on the left side normally, Lovren and Klavan's side.}

02 Jun 2017 05:15:51
Agree Ed although bizarrely I always though Lovren looked better when he was at RB (and Sakho at left) - not sure if that was down to Sakho, avoiding Moreno or just looked a lot more comfortable when being pulled to the right.


02 Jun 2017 06:57:38
That's Klavan in danger then. VVD, Matip, Lovren and Gomez looks good to me for options next season. Just hope we wrap up Salah too in the next few days and then concentrate on signing some quality full backs.


02 Jun 2017 08:29:58
Klaven is a danger what was klopp thinkin.


02 Jun 2017 08:43:01
Ed001, any update on Pereira is he still of interest? Really think he will make a difference in place of Clyne with a naturally left footed leftback left side to.


{Ed001's Note - yes he is, though things are a bit up in the air due to VVD throwing himself at us.}

02 Jun 2017 09:01:58
Hi Ed01

VVD throwing himself at us? Is your info aside of Macca's post that he really wants to play for us and it is FSG and Liverpools deal to throw away?

Also what is your opinion of him as a defender? Are we getting another Loveren or does he offer more

Thanks in advance

Jon.


{Ed001's Note - it is a similar thing to Wijnaldum, except it is not the team looking to sell, it is the player looking to move and wants to join us. The deal is not as simple as we are cutting back, it is the new CEO sitting down and trying to get the best deal possible, putting more performance-related bonuses in, rather than a larger flat salary.

Klopp likes him and would like to add him, but personally I think he spends far too much time coasting through games and costs goals.}

02 Jun 2017 09:11:55
Was it that blatant Ed? If so, we're lucky to have Klopp as this shows what a big draw he is for players.


02 Jun 2017 09:32:33
If we are serious about vvd then Klopp maybe thinking Matip vvd loveren and two wingbacks copying Chelsea's formation?


02 Jun 2017 09:47:55
What.

So we need a rb, lb, lw, cm and st.

We are jepodising that because a player wants to play for us. Im all for it if it was ronaldo. But 4 weeks ago we were fine for cbs, the eds where confident we weren't signing any, had our targets. And are now about to blow are load on a player whoae not crucial.

Rediculous. Matip and lovren together was fine. They needed stronger competition. Not 50 mils worth mind. A good up and coning player.

Ah well. There goes mendy, pereria, keita. Least where getting the ox.


02 Jun 2017 10:55:53
Hi Ed001, You've previously stated that you think VVD has good physical and technical attributes but lacks in positional sense and concentration. Do you think Klopp and his coaching team could help him improve on this aspect of his game? I ask as, although some players have seen a marked improvement under Klopps coaching, most of them have been more attacking players. Thanks, Dave.


{Ed001's Note - he could do yes. However I think it is more of a personality issue than anything. He is a very laid back guy and that is the issue imo.}

02 Jun 2017 11:36:54
Thanks 001, if he signs hopefully we'll see him improve on this and help solidify our defense!


02 Jun 2017 12:01:50
I think he knows he so good. The games so easy. That he doesn't need 5o try as hard or focus as hard because he has the pacr to recover etc.

He is borderline ones of tje worlds best techincal cbs. But for 50 mil we can't have him being taught stuff. For 50 mil he has to come in and be the answeer. For me anyway. 20/ 30 mil fine. 50 and fat wages he has to deliever.


{Ed025's Note - southampton would fall about laughing if that was the offer mate..

02 Jun 2017 01:38:43
Eds is it possible vvd being wanted is to play centre of lovren and matip in a 3? As luiz does for chelsea?

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{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea.}

01 Jun 2017 23:18:55
Hi Eds,

With the Salah rumours picking up some steam I've got a couple of questions.

By all accounts Brandt was first choice, what happened there? I know you've said he wanted assurances, but surely he (and now Salah) were going to be starting right?

Secondly, on Salah, you've said he failed to settle at Chelsea for a couple of reasons. Would you be able to share these with us?

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained about Brandt. The reasons are unimportant.}

02 Jun 2017 08:00:43
By all accounts he's keen to come, so it can't have been the weather!


03 Jun 2017 23:36:40
I honestly think that the main reason Mourino bought Salah to Chelsea was to stop him signing for us.
He only lasted a season and was loaned to Florientina.
Mourino and Chelsea were buying the title in them years just like he's trying to do now at Utd. But more Clubs now have more money.


01 Jun 2017 23:00:15
If these rumours about salah are true then I'm a bit sceptical. Not because of price or where he has played before but because of the league he is coming from. In my opinion most players that make the move directly from Italy to England never really seem to settle or get used to the English league. Italy is a brilliant league full of talented players but players making this move can sometimes seem like a fish out of water in the prem. I get that there is a culture difference as there is with any move but I feel that with this one it takes a much longer time to settle if they ever do settle. Off the top of my head I can't think of many recent expamples that have come here and replicated their form.

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02 Jun 2017 00:05:57
How about Coutinho? He's done quite well. Salah has the skills and the pace to succeed.


02 Jun 2017 00:16:51
With anything there are exceptions. But coutinho wasn't exactly setting the league alight there. I'm taking more about players like aquilani, Damian, schevchenko, cuadrado, giacherini, Lamela, ballotelli, matterazzi, bianchiand even pogba to some extent.


02 Jun 2017 06:28:44
Bergkamp, Zola, Henry, Vieira - they did alright.


02 Jun 2017 08:04:35
Ravanelli as well. Let's be fair to Salah, Mourinho hardly gave the bloke confidence and was binned off after 13 or so games. Like I say, he's been more effective than Dybala, and what would your reaction be if we were in with a shout of signing him? Personally I'm happy with him joining, he offers pace, skill, assists and a goal threat.


02 Jun 2017 10:41:43
Salah never got a fair run in the team whilst at Chelsea and apparently had problems settling in London (though I'm sure if things were different on the pitch that might have made settling easier) .

Salah is a cracking player who offers devastating pace, skill, assists and a great goal return for a winger/ wide forward, he will give us options and pace up front which we lack when Mane is out, a front 3 of Salah/ Firmino/ Mane with Coutinho in CM pulling the strings is a mouthwatering prospect.


02 Jun 2017 16:20:44
Salah has obviously knuckled down and kept improving. That in itself is impressive. Think of other youngsters who have moved to big english club too early then headed back to europe to become journeymen. He may just be our de bruyne y'know.


 
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