Liverpool Banter Archive June 02 2014

 

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02 Jun 2014 22:39:32
Hi Eds. a newspaper are reporting today that Bernard is looking for a way out of the country with Liverpool Arsenal or a return to Minero as possibilities.

I speculated a couple of months ago that political tensions in Ukraine may unsettle some players.

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If Bernard leave I don't see him heading in our direction sadly.

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02 Jun 2014 22:42:16
Evening fellow Reds,

Just seen BBC site reporting that Lallana wants to leave them after WC.

I agree that 30mn is simply overpriced and we could get a good alternative.

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{Ed007's Note - Why would he be leaving the BBC?}

Very good Ed007, you got me there ;-)
Perhaps he's interesting in joining LFC to be their own future journalist

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{Ed007's Note - Why would he be leaving the BBC?}

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Apparently they will only pay for the room but not the mini bar, so he was n't happy, it was a bit like forgetting his birthday. So he is handing in a transfer request, he wants to join ITV instead

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Damn these spoilt footballers :-)

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I'm hugely disappointed by this. I was hoping Lallana would get a presenting spot on Countryfile in the near future.

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Heard he didn't want a surprise party but they just couldn't help themselves he got a fit because they got him a Rory The Racing Car cake but he wanted Dora

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I heard he's leaving the BBC because they didn't have the decency to say "happy birthday"

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02 Jun 2014 21:17:08
Hi, a question for Ed001 or any fans that get to see our youngsters regularly. How close are players like Canos, Pelosi, Dunn etc. to getting a first team opportunity in a cup or similar? Are any of the others near yet?

Also, do you think Smith and Rossiter will be seen more on the bench this year?

Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - it is more likely they will get loan spells to be honest.}

02 Jun 2014 22:30:28
I do watch the U18s and for me, Canos is just a standard tricky forward, he needs to impress more if he is to make a matchday squad. I'd say the closest in the U18s would be Randall and Trickett-Smith, they'll likely be in and around the U21s next season. There is also the UEFA U19 league so that will be good for the youngsters.

For Smith, I'm hoping he'll go out on Loan to the Championship or any team at a decent level who can offer him first team football. Rossiter I think will stay and will get a few first team minutes if he continues to progress and impress, then a loan in a future season but not next season for me.

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Thank you both. What about Sinclair? He looked a sharp prospect last year but seems to have dropped off the radar. Do you know if he is well thought of or applying himself appropriately?

Cheers

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03 Jun 2014 17:43:57
Sergi Canos was signed last summer and was not even a regular for the U-18's last season. He will be a regular for the U-18's next season.

Marc Pelosi was out injured for the year and will be continuing with the U-21's next season.

Jack Dunn improved as the season went on and was a regular for the U-21's last season as the lone striker. He will probably make a cameo or two next season in the cups.

Brad Smith was outstanding at different levels. I was particularly impressed how he came back from a bad injury and straight away got back to his best and continued to improve thereafter. IMO, he is ready for the first team as a squad player.

Jordan Rossiter was a regular for the U-21's at 16 years of age but I think he is not ready yet fro first-team football.

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03 Jun 2014 17:45:06
Jerome Sinclair had a injury hit season and didn't make the step up from U-18's to U-21's last season. He will likely be playing with the U-21's next season.

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02 Jun 2014 21:31:40
Ed002

I think I have figured out why Chelsea pulled out of the Moreno deal. Did it have to do anything with Pochettino leaving Southampton and focus being shifted to Shaw now that there is no manager there?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

Well I give up then :-p but I am hoping Moreno chooses LFC over Madrid!

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Figured, or more like 1 + 1 = 5

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02 Jun 2014 21:30:50
Ed002 did we follow up on reports to sign the b.dortmund left back whos name slipped my mind as I wrote this ha

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{Ed002's Note - I rather think the interest is elsewhere.}

02 Jun 2014 21:17:32
I think it would only be right to comment on how Southampton are dealing with this summer so far.

All this talk of them "refusing to negotiate" or "holding us to ransom" is total "rubbish" as the Eds would put it.

The club have acted incredibly admirably throughout.

They have said they are waiting for a manager to come in before getting to business with transfers, they have set a price for their players and they have stuck to it, no messing around just "pay it or don't."

Then just to top it all, they make an exception for an immensely hard working player who has given his all for them, to live out his childhood dream and move home. They didn't have to do that.

Fair play to Southampton, truly impressed with the way they are conducting themselves.

I really hope we do get Lallana, I think he will be one of England's best players for 6/7 years, but either way I wish Soton all the best.

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02 Jun 2014 17:55:29
Ed01. I must say your analysis of the beautiful game is absolutely educating and a pleasure to read. I want to ask, in your opinion, which defender do you think the club need to provide that class leadership we once saw with J. Carragher? Conceeding 50goals in a season doesn't look good at all. Probably one of the reasons we lost the trophy 2 Man City. Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - I am of the opinion that Sakho can be the commanding leader we miss, once he is settled in.}

Sakho or if Lovren or someone of his talent came in them

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02 Jun 2014 13:31:15
Ed001,
Following on from the Moreno / Smith / youth football debate below, do you know if the community (schools, boys clubs etc) can get to use the Academy or Melwood facilities at all, on a regular basis not just special one-off finals and the like?

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{Ed001's Note - I am not actually sure to be perfectly honest. I will have to ask when I get a chance. I know they never used to be able to get to use Melwood before the academy was completed, but that was because the youth teams and first team kept it occupied too much for anything other than special occasions to be shoehorned in.}

02 Jun 2014 20:41:30
To all the Ed's

Brilliant site and keep up the great work. This is the most reliable site when it comes to LFC transfer in and outs!

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{Ed002's Note - The hamper is on its way.}

It sure is max I've just put some bullet proof information further down the page, when this comes off I will be wanting my own page on here.

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02 Jun 2014 20:15:00
I was released by Liverpool at 15 like Rickie and went on to play for Bolton Wanderers FC between 77-82. Eventually went to player manage in New Zealand for a few years but always dreamed of going back to my beloved Liverpool. It never happened for me but I am elated for the lad. I can only imagine as all reds will how it will feel for him to walk onto the sacred turf listening to our choir singing YNWA for him. Sends shivers down my spine. I still dream of doing it even though I'm much to old now. Its reality for Rickie and forget the sentiment he is here on merit and will prove to be the bargain of the season in my opinion. We will see. What a story welcome home Rickie Lambert YNWA.

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Roy mate, myself and Mrs aaiiii are in the process of emmigration to your fair isle. I've looked up the new zealand supporters club and look forward to sharing a pint should fate decide that's the shizzle lol

Hope to be over there soon

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Back home now Al in the fair city of Liverpool. Loved NZ fantastic country, great people and am planning to go back for a while in 2015. Good luck though mate you and your family will love it. The footballs not so good though.

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02 Jun 2014 21:14:42
Cheers mate,

You take it easy ;-)

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I've played against a team from New Zealand in the milk cup. Otago they were called! Physical side! They thought football was rugby haha!

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02 Jun 2014 20:08:40
Why do so many people get themselves in a twist about our transfer committee?

Listening to the LFC Daytrippers podcast today and they make a good point.

All clubs, in effect, have a transfer committee. We have just put a label on ours.

This committee will include the scouts (I'm pretty sure all clubs have these apart from Spurs!), the manager (I'm pretty sure all clubs have one of these and the chief exec (I'm pretty sure all clubs have one of these too).

The scouts will draw up a list of targets in some/all positions.
The manager can decide on the targets to go for and/or in what order.
The chief exec can then negotiate etc.

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The problem is the fans play too much football manager and then come up with random names and if the LFC do not sign those random names then the fans have a hissy fit as the fans claim to know better than Ayre, the transfer committee and Rodgers as well as FSG.

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Because when u consider. Borini, Aspas, Allen, Assaidi, Cissoko, Llori, Alberto, Toure etc. They haven't exactly blown us away with their amazing performances have they?

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{Ed002's Note - I think if more people got Llori on their shirts he could become well known - we should start a campaign.}

How does everyone get ILORI wrong everytime? It's I-L-O-R-I

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03 Jun 2014 08:57:22
bashir, it is sad that people like you choose to judge players like borini [scored how many for sunderland?] including the winner against chelsea which moved us above them. allen and cissoko both injured for long periods this season? assaidi a young player still settling into the prem. not everyone can be messi/saurez etc

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Bashir, I think your statement is a little unfair.

''Because when u consider. Borini, Aspas, Allen, Assaidi, Cissoko, Llori, Alberto, Toure etc. They haven't exactly blown us away with their amazing performances have they?''

This is a group of players who was extpected to struggle for fourth and took Man City and their millions to the final day for the title.

Borini - was on loan at Sunderland and I, for one, was quite impressed with his performances.

Aspas - He hasn't had any game time (but I'll give you this one).

Allen - What has Allen done wrong? Like most players he has had good games and poor games, but overall he has made a strong contribution to our success this season and been a very useful player.

Assaidi - Again, has been on loan the whole season and has impressed, to the point that, Stoke want to buy him.

Cissokho - Came in on loan and did a decent enough job. He hasn't blown people away but without him we would have struggled at times.

Ilori - Hasn't had any game time and again went on loan?

Alberto - One for the future - funnily enough, clubs buy players with a view for the being a good player in the future.

Toure - Another free transfer and again, all in all, did a decent job covering/ competition for places.

Let's focus on the positives and not forget that in actual fact the signings of Sturridge, Coutinho and Sakho have been very astute. Not to mention the integration of youngsters such as Sterling and Flanagan.

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03 Jun 2014 13:50:28
Forget it evolution; there will always be people are quick to make up their mind and cry foul even if one of those players don't have a good season.

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Bashir you discount the value of having a good squad. It simply isn't feasible for us to go out and sign 11 world class players - it doesn't work like that, especially with our club given that our finances our not limitless. I'm disappointed that fans keep picking on the same players - they might not have light a fire under Anfield but, with the exception of Alberto and his drink driving, the rest of the players have given everything when wearing the red shirt - they deserve more than your contempt.

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02 Jun 2014 19:55:28
No matter who else we sign this summer, I am most looking forward to Rickie Lambert scoring his first goal for us.

He seems like a really nice bloke who is living the dream. Really pleased for him.

Red Rum

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02 Jun 2014 19:45:16
hi eds as we seem incapable of paying the money for lallana, which we just should have done already, what other players do you think we will move onto? thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Given it is a month before the transfer window formally opens, you seem to have given up on the club very early on.}

02 Jun 2014 20:34:53
okay thanks for the response, I just couldn't see us paying the fee although that may change when a new manager is in place at southampton

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{Ed002's Note - It will be zip to do with the manager.}

If you felt like a Yorkie and popped into Tescos for it only to see they had it priced at £2.50 would you just straight away pay the £2.50? You might really want it but you might only value the Yorkie at £1 and say you might have been willing to pay up to £1.50 but you think £2.50 is a bit much - the price is there on the shelf though so what can ya do about it. Then you look around and you're like wait a minute a Double Decker would be nice and that's only 80 pence - what would you do?

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03 Jun 2014 01:14:59
You could always try going to poundland. sure it might be bordering on its sell by date but its only a pound.

In all seriousness Southampton have every right to value their player at what they wish but we have our valuation and it would be reckless & irresponsible to overpay for the sake of it. I had hoped we had moved on from those days.

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I'd probably not make a really rubbish analogies comparing football players to chocolate bars as there are about a million other complications you are ignoring when it comes to a transfer.

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02 Jun 2014 19:39:05
Ed

With the reported near deal for Moreno would that end our interet in Bertrand?

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{Ed002's Note - I would think that would be a certainty.}

02 Jun 2014 19:33:11
Just thought let you no saints have put lamberts 117 goals for the doubters variety is amazing, all the best Lambo from a loyal saint

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02 Jun 2014 19:06:51
I'm pretty chuffed with the Lambert signing. It was relatively cheap, he's got a fantastic goals record, can score with both feet, dead ball specialist, can lay on assists also. Suarez & Sturridge won't play every minute of every game either. So if BR wants to play a 4-2-3-1 formation Lambert will be the ideal man to spearhead that attack! I'd rather we spent our money on areas that really need it, ie: defence & midfield. Which BR seems to be focusing on. Let's not forget that Rodgers is only 2 years into the job this week, took over a side that was going nowhere, with massively over paid players. We are now back in the CL, with a young, vibrant, pacey team that scores for fun. I'm really happy with how we are progressing as a club. Things don't change over night, unless you have Chelsea or City's billions.

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02 Jun 2014 19:00:35
To be honest, I hope we don't bid again for lallana, good player yes, but if rather go for an out and out winger, and use sterling or coutinho at the top of the diamond if that's where lallana was going to play. I think in a season or two coutinho will find that consistency he lacks and be a great player, he already can have great games, just needs them more often! I just think the numbers being thrown around are too high for a player we don't need!

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A season or two is a long time in football.

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02 Jun 2014 17:42:51
Am hoping Lambert gets the number 9 shirt. Re-jig the old Torres song and sing it to a player who will love it. To good a song to waste that.

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02 Jun 2014 18:43:10
yes I miss that song. it's made for him

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His tatoo proved he was a red lambert lambert. You'll never walk alone it said lambert lambert. We bought the lad from sunny uk, he pass the ball he scores by the head. Rickie lambert Liverpools nr 9 la la la la la laaaaa laaaaaa

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Southampton used to sing the same tune 'he stands at over 6ft 3, rickie, rickie' even though he is 6ft 2 haha

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The tattoo line has got to go in my friend. Hope Brendon tunes in here I'm going to bounce in a minute.

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How about. the tattoo proves he is a red lambert lambert, the liver bird upon his chest lambert lambert, the local lad from kirkby, a Liverpool fan he'll do for me, rickie lambert Liverpool's No 9

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Kirbyred yours is definitely the best attempt here. Chrisrick yours is shocking!

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Nice1 seano couldn't agree more about chrisrick's attempt lol

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02 Jun 2014 17:39:03
Jesus Southampton this, Bournemouth that. If it's 30 mil it's too dear. Take the 25mil or forget it I got an headache.

Welcome Rickie lovin you already. Great interview

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02 Jun 2014 17:36:17
The issue seems to be that Southampton want LFC to cover the 25% they will owe to Bournemouth. £20-25M seems a fair price for Lallana but for me it is Southampton who should pick up the additional 25% sell on clause as they agreed that deal when they bought the lad.

That said, they're within their rights to do as they wish but I cannot see Lallana handing in a transfer request so it might scupper any deal.

I hope we sign him, I think he'd be fantastic for us so fingers crossed but what will be will be.

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Or they value him at 30 mill.

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This is why Eds tell us not talk about money.

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Piledriver if the eds said jump off a bridge would you? The eds might not want to discuss applied mathematics but surely we are allowed to mention it?

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I'm shocked your post got through kopite, mainly because you're just making the eds point more evident.

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02 Jun 2014 22:35:27
I reckon the Ed002 should be on our transfer team. Chuck him in there and tell Mr Southampton 'Listen, like I tell everyone let's not get into this money chit chat. Just sign over here'. Simple

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Yes I would, "kopite6924"

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02 Jun 2014 17:28:53
I want to join everyone else on here and say welcome Rickie Lambert! It's so refreshing to see someone so happy to get their dream move and playing for a club they love so much.

I hope he does well and I'll be cheering him on regardless. I can't imagine how he will feel running onto the Anfield turf for his first real home game.

Good for him and good luck.

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Players that play for the team with there hearts are rare now most want money other success loyalty is something that only 10-15 players every decade do

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02 Jun 2014 17:20:25
Hi Ed

Is it true that Alberto is being used as part of the Moreno deal?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

I beleive he's going to Malaga on a season long loan

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I hope we keep him, either loan him or give him a chance. He is meant to be very promising.

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02 Jun 2014 17:20:18
Hi Eds, do you have any knowledge as to whether LFC are willing and trying to offload Johnson this summer? Do you know if he is in their plans for next season?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - Right now I am not aware of any intention to sell him. One RB was looked at a while ago and that seems to be it.}

Hi

Was it Cancelo ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

Flanngan is probably going to be first choice right back next year if Moreno comes in he can hardly be dropped before Johnson with the season he had

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Thanks Ed2

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02 Jun 2014 16:59:01
Brace yourself, We are going to be hit with another storm. Apparently Ever Banega is on the verge of signing with Sunderland.
Common Start the slogan. FSG Out. Ayre Out.

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We are on the verge of "missing out" on him haha!

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02 Jun 2014 16:37:33
I know most of our attention seems to be on Lallana but have we shown any interest in Southamptons young CM ward-prowse? still only young but showing great promise. would be a steal if would could snatch him up this window. could be in the team for the next 10 years.

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{Ed002's Note - Nope.}

02 Jun 2014 16:33:57
question for the eds and fans
out of all the players we're linked with and interested in, actually scratch the "linked ones" cause tey're thousands of them, which player would you absolutely be excited if we signed him?

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Dream world, Sanchez, real world, I'm actually looking forward to seeing Moreno if he joins!

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I'd be excited if we signed Lovren. He's had a good season at Southampton, would give us an immediate defensive boost and, combined with Sakho, has the potential to form a rock solid defensive unit. I know he isn't "exciting" in the sense he is a Messi like player but I think, for what our team needs, he'd be an exciting signing to make.

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02 Jun 2014 15:59:14
Hello mates!
IMO the fuss about Lallana transfer fee not been met and the Moreno saga is all pointing to the fact that we are not interested in these guys and we are dealing with the ones we want behind closed doors. Just take a look at Rickie, no one thought we had so much interest as to signing him. I expect more surprises in the cominng weeks. Prolly Sanchez, Turan and Hummels just saying

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At least were getting a smokescreen in early then to cover our 100s of millions we are clearly going to be spending.

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02 Jun 2014 15:24:32
How could a Journalist predict, Lallana called up the Board Members and they aren't picking the calls.
Absolutly Rubbish.

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02 Jun 2014 15:40:18
massive welcome to Lambert and watching his interview is really refreshing! So nice to see someone join the club that will for sure be absolutely devoted and give his all.

He is clearly going to be one of the lads straight away and if he gets some regular football time (i hope he does) he will play for the team and as always be unselfish in his play

MASSIVE WELCOME RL!

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02 Jun 2014 16:02:40
A lot of posters are opining that "Lallana is not worth this" or "not worth that". OK.

The proposed Lallana fee is also being compared with Alonso and others from the past.

Well perhaps the massive increase in TV money into the game means that players are now going for larger fees?

In which case the constant comparisons with previous fees for other players is surely somewhat pointless - unless inflation-adjusted comparisons were made?

Apparently a 100 million pound bid was made for a player last summer. So perhaps its fair to say the goalposts have moved?

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Kenny Dalglish was bought for 750,000 or something, so that means that No striker in the world is worth anything more.

I am being sarcastic.

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Kenny was £440k.

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02 Jun 2014 15:23:49
Good aft all,

My two penneth for the day. Welcome Ricky Lambert, shrewd bit of business when you think 4m wouldn't buy Sean Dundee these days, made up for the fella, stuck at it and he's back at the best!

Question is. whilst everyone bangs on about Kono and Llanna, do people think Ricky going to be the ONLY surprise signing this window?!

We wait and see eh

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Suppose ya don't really no anymore just ride the storm out

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02 Jun 2014 19:00:04
To true dezyboy, happy to be watching it all play out.

Folks forget it'd be an entirely different ball game had we not had such a good season my mate

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02 Jun 2014 15:04:27
Apparently Caner Erkin is available on a free transfer, Unfortunatly we have no interest in him.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have looked at Erkin.}

Hopefully we see sense then, step back from Moreno for the same reason Chelsea did and go for this guy; the better player.

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02 Jun 2014 15:16:27
Might be not good enough. I haven't seen him much

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Caner Erkin will sign a new contract at Fenerbahçe.

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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02 Jun 2014 15:02:13
I might be unpopular saying this but I think Southampton are doing the right thing with Lallana. Just like we wouldn't want Suarez to go on the cheap why would they want their best player to go on the cheap. They probably would prefer him to stay so slap £30m price tag to ensure they get good value and can reinvest, it's basic economics with valued assets. It's up to Liverpool to meet the valuation, can't blame them.

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02 Jun 2014 15:12:26
Its stuppid to blame Southampton, The Point here is Liverpool. Either we stick all the way and get the man at the price they wants ( might be a different kinda package after lengthy. lengthy Negotiation)
Or Just move on the next man.
I wonder, What was our Scouting Team doing from past an Year?. Only linked with one Playmamker?

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Completely agree mate, fans who are kicking off saying they are asking too much seem to be forgetting Southampton own Adam Lallana and are more than entitled to ask for whatever fee they want for him, just as we are with Suarez. I still hope we can budge them down to our £25 million offer though.

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02 Jun 2014 15:26:38
I think we should move on to other targets. He is a great player but I think 20 million is a fair price 25 million is a rip off and 30 million is crazy. Let Southampton keep him or sell him to another club stupid enough to pay that.

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Southampton can ask whatever they want for him and we will pay as much as we consider to be fair.
If these valuations are different there may be a little compromise from both parties or the deal simply won't happen. If the deal doesn't happen then I'm sure we will have another target.
I like Lallana but if he's 30 million that would be too much for me. I would rather have Kono anyway. If we only buy one more player from Southampton I hope it's Lovren.
There's a long way to go this window and I'm sure there will be several ins and outs a couple that will please us and one I expect that will depress us.
Onwards and upwards

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02 Jun 2014 14:12:00
eds do you know about any of the Moreno information that is being put out in Spain? Marca are saying that Liverpool are very close to signing him whereas another Spainish football site is saying that Real Madrid have already signed him and are waiting till after the WC to announce it? is this just speculation or is there any concrete updates?

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed.}

02 Jun 2014 14:08:53
We need to buy ceac fabregas
Proven world class
30 million considering we bid 25 for lallana n southampton r messin us about

Cesc was playin out of position for barca and spain he's not a striker or false number 9 he's a central medfielder who scores goals and creates chances and can keep the ball top player who would help us challange

Arsenal not intrested apparantli soo that leaves manchester clubs n maybe chelsea but would love him at anfield

Abbas lfc

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{Ed002's Note - Southampton are not messing Liverpool about.}

Come on people! Southampton have a complete right to put a price on THEIR player, like we did with Suarez. They do not have to sell and I do not blame them for elevating their valuation of him.
We would and do the same thing

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See its posts like this that really wind, how are Southampton messing us around? The have set a valuation for a player, a very good player I might add and just because Liverpool have made a bid that's lower than what is deemed acceptable it should be accepted none the less. I wonder what happens when Real come in with a £70m offer for Suarez will you be so willing to accept an offer lower than what the club value the player at. Liverpool should move on from Lallana if he is deemed too expensive, besides its a bit earlier for a take it or leave it offer so early in the transfer window.
And why must we sign Fabregas? Because its a fancy name, he really isn't what the team needs.

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02 Jun 2014 14:58:18
I wunt want us to go above 25 million
Id rather we payed that amount for fabregas 30 mil or sanchez 30mil even pedro but I do rate lallana but not above 25 mil

Abbas lfc

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02 Jun 2014 15:19:49
And Y do u want us to pay that kinda sum for Fabrigas?
And common Pedro? And who will pay the wages of Sanchez and Fabrigas?

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Couldn't disagree with you more Abbas, unfortunately.

1) Southampton are entitled to value the player at whatever price they see fit (although I think 30M is excessive - this is a personal opinion)

2) Fabregas is not worth the wages, nor fee he would demand and he doesn't fit in FSG transfer policy.

I agree he is a decent player (I'm not 100% sure why ED001 vehemently dislikes him as a player) - but all the same I do agree with some of his comments, that he is quite one dimensional and requires a team to be tactically built around him to get anywhere near the best out of him - which isn't LFC. We are a versatile team with player who like to inter-change positions.

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02 Jun 2014 17:49:22
I dint say lallana is a bad playa I jus don't fink he's worth more than 25 mil, I personally think fabregas is a brilliant playa but more dan anyfin I jus don't want us to drag transfers like we did in last few seosons n end up not buyin any top players

Abbas lfc

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03 Jun 2014 00:50:17
Chill out Abbas. Window hasn't even opened and we've already got Lambert sorted. Just go with it mate and enjoy the summer.

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Lallana is the English player most like the Spaniards in playing style. He's an outstanding footballer. Catch up. While
Fabregas has been getting worse Lallana has continued to develop at a startling rate. Lallana would be a perfect signing for Liverpool. In fact the three L's from Southampton would all be great signings.

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02 Jun 2014 13:57:45
anything on cesc?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

02 Jun 2014 13:45:03
hi guys,

banter please. I have been quite surprised at how against people seem to be on us signing moreno when I'm sure people we were crying out for him in previous windows.

i will be honest and say I haven't really seen him play but i'd be interested to see how many people who say he isn't good enough have genuinely watched sevilla play more than a handful of games, I mean really watched him closely and not judged him based on fifa/youtube/football manager. also seen people saying we should go for rodriguez from wolfsberg instead as he is "much better" again, do these people watch every la liga & bundesliga game?

also seen people saying brad smith is just as good (i don't doubt he has the potential to be great) but at what level are you watching this kid play on a regular basis becuase it isn't la liga or europa league level.

thoughts?

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I'm only advocating Brad Smith to save EMS' nan from having to get her boots on.

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I watched a lot of Sevilla last season because of our interest in Rakitic (who is superb btw). Moreno is not going to be a left back his whole career in my opinion. He lacks the defensive awareness. He would be a could left winger or left sided midfielder though.

I have been watching Brad Smith for years and he has always been a stand out performer. I was gutted when he got injured. He came back stronger and better than ever though. The only way to tell if he is good enough is to throw him in the deep end. Flanno stepped up and he has half the quality Smith has. It's not all about talent, it comes down to attitude and determination. Smith has shown he has everything required to make the step up for me. I'd go as far to say he is in the top 5 players in the U21's right now alongside Ibe, Pelosi, Dunn and McLaughlin.

Those 4 could all make it if we give them a chance before its too late. Smith is just as good as them all.

I don't think Moreno is a bad player. He's just over rated, over priced and not ready to be the first choice left back for a top 4 side in a much more physical division than La Liga. It also makes me wary that Sevilla fans are desperate to get rid and eceryone else has taken a step back.

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My nan has chronic back pains Juicer :/ she has to go to a chiropractor every fortnight. Unlike Enrique who is treated every other day!

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02 Jun 2014 13:39:19
East Midlands Scouser, am I hated(sob sob)? I didn't know that, I will have change my ways mate, so I can fit in.

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Don't you bloody dare. You're one of the few posters on here who doesn't pander to the majority so you can be the #1 fan. I don't always agree with you, but I do agree with you regarding the right to protest. I don't pay money for merchandise and tickets to not have a say. As far as I'm concerned every penny I spend that benefits the club in anyway is as good as buying shares and therefore the right to an opinion!

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02 Jun 2014 13:50:00
I think it better of you change your sign-off name Waro.

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02 Jun 2014 14:11:40
Waro

No one hate you here. Infact No one hates each other. Your post are refershing, Very much pratical and realestic.

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Hi waro mate

dont become a sheep like most people, keep doing what your doing, if people don't agree or don't like your opinion that's there fault

keep up the good work

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02 Jun 2014 15:19:12
Waro and Harry.

I for one enjoy reading your comments. I don't read all the posts so not sure why you're a marmite type post.

I often disagree with you but isn't that the point of these forums? Balanced arguments.

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Lol - mis-understood again - not too sure Waro was going to change his username and conform to what others believe.

I'm sure he thanks you all for your concern and encouragement not to leave.

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East midland scouser, I was just joking with you mate. I have my opinion and I change it for knowbody, infact i'm more likely to ramp it up if it's irritating people that much, haha. Don't worry, I won't let the #i'm Liverpools number 1 fazn mafia, drive me off the site.

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The real ag, not a chance in hell my mate, there would be more chance of me wearing a pink chang top and hotpants and sitting in the upper bullens. ;)

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{Ed002's Note - Again?}

02 Jun 2014 22:36:03
Are so you remember Ed002, that was the day you said I had calfs like a spartan.

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02 Jun 2014 13:13:15
Eds, there is a rumour that LFC have submitted an offer for Arda Turan. I know he loves Liverpool FC, and I'd definitely like to see him at our club. Do you know more on this?

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{Ed002's Note - Twitter is this?}

We should've signed him years ago when he left Galatasaray and his agent was trying to get him a move here.

I fear the chance has gone. Shame really because although the phrase is over used, Turan really is world class. He's be a phenomenal option on the left side of the diamond. Very similar to Lallana as well. No doubt more expensive though. Atletico are not going to dissemble the championship winning team they've spent years building without expecting serious compensation!

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02 Jun 2014 13:44:47
Are LFC buying up all LFC fans?

I am available for another year.

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02 Jun 2014 14:12:42
I did mention yesterday, He would be the biggest miss after Kono, if we aren't for him. Turan is a Liverpool Fan. He is a brilliant player.

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Why is a Turan world class? At 27 I'd say his potential is unfulfilled. He's never scored more than 10 goals in a season outside Turkey. Sterling at 19 is better in a tougher league. In fact in a La Liga winning side he scored 3 goals, one more than Vic Moses.

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02 Jun 2014 21:29:26
Not twitter Ed002, but was in the spanish press

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{Ed002's Note - 40€M - fantastic.}

02 Jun 2014 13:23:46
just what I feel
i see a lot of Liverpool fans being admirers of adam lallana. and he definitely has the credentials to back this admiration from our fans. he is southhampton's best player. and has almost everything you would ask in a midfielder.
But I donot think Liverpool actually require him . if we see our youth we have plenty of attacking talent who play in a position similar to lallana. for the price being quoted I think Liverpool should save money and buy players that actually make sense. lallana actually made no contribution in lfc's 3 nil win at saint mary stadium. he was clueless in the midfield .
however it was not like Liverpool dominated saints in the game. infact saints had fair share of chances and I dare say were the better team . however the player that totally shone out in that game were jay rodrigues and schneiderlein. yea lallana struck one on post but all thanks to brilliant work by rodriguez.
and I would go on to say that if it weren't for brilliant season for rodriguez and schniederlein, we wouldn't have seen lallana as a player as we do now.
i still feel that lfc should buy schniederlein right now . he is a player we definitely definitely need.

if we were to play lallana we would be definitely benching one of sterling or coutinho, yes there is champions league next season, but I would most definitely start sterling in a champions league game any day over coutinho or lallana .

plus suso? what about him . he has in every sense of word had a terrific loan spell at almeria . he is definitely first team potential, and he is like for me already 70percent lallana. ( stat wise 90 percent lallana) . I think for lfc he should come much before lallana .
save money and go for kono, . I don't get it what just happened with kono? apparently we just grabbed him in january, we were desperate to get him . the lad wanted it too. and suddenly we have no interest now? how can that be. I understand their owner pulled a bunny on us in the final moment, but if that is the reason for notgoing for him, its a shame.
not buying a equally good kono for largely a decent amount of money doesn't make sense to me over paying 30mill/25mill for lallana.
for all people comapring fabregas and lallana? yes lallana is good, but he is no fabregas. yes fabregas has kinda not been what he was at arsenal . but that's more like barca playing him wherever they want . if we pull of fabregas, a midfield of gerrard fabregas and henderson could just about be the strongest midfield in the world!. however I donot say buy fabregas . but if we are to spend 30mill over a player, it shouldn't be lallana .

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02 Jun 2014 13:02:40
apparently QPR are looking to sign Ashley Williams for a bargain £4m? Why are we not showing an interest? We need a solid defender and BR knows him well from his time at Swansea

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{Ed002's Note - Is all of this "why aren't we interested in ..." nonsense going to continue all summer? If so we can cut back on the editing as there will be nothing of interest.

02 Jun 2014 12:59:19
Liverpool to Blackpool. to Macclesfield. to Stockport. to Rochdale. to Bristol. to Southampton. and Back to Liverpool.

Thats Rickie Lambert Journey.

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02 Jun 2014 13:11:28
Yes, he has worked very hard to be where he is now. Welcome back to LFC Rickie Lambert.

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You missed out the beetroot factory Harry.

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02 Jun 2014 12:59:15
While we're going on and on about Moreno and the transfer fee he's commanding, the question nobody is asking (and answering) is whether he is better than what we have now at LB : Jose Enrique. And whether he will be better than Jose Enrique over the next few years. It's the only question that really matters. The rest should be left up to BR and LFC coaching staff.

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02 Jun 2014 13:10:49
He has the potential to be better than Enrique. But, so does Brad Smith.

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My nan is better than Jose Enrique. What we should really be asking is "is Moreno the right player for us". My personal answer is a big fat no.

It's like paying £725,000 for a house before its been built. You don't spend that kind of cash on players based purely on potential when youbare struggling with FFP like Liverpool is. Moreno could completely flop or never improve beyond his current ability. He is a long term solution that we don't need. We have long term solutions in the academy. We need a first team ready left back.

Anyway, this whole debacle has really stressed me out. I don't want to seem negative, just looks to me like we are going to push out great talent once again to sign expensive foreign imports and waste yet more talent we've spent the last decade developing.

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02 Jun 2014 13:46:07
That is a really expensive house.

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02 Jun 2014 14:01:43
Okay EMS. So you want a Philip Lahm, Alaba, Marcelo, Coentrao, Jordi Alba or Ashely Cole type left-back who can come in and slot in into the team right away and work wonders? How many of them are available and what would the cost be vis-a-vis what we are getting now (without getting into numbers nor discussing transfer values & wages)? See my point?

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No I want Ryan Bertrand, Marcos Rojo or Caner Erkin. All available, all cheaper than Moreno, all more ready for firat team football, and none of them are so young they will stand in the way of the academy players or too old to have sell on value. Don't make assumptions mate. I don't want Moreno because he's not worth £20m. Not because I want a massive signing. In fact I want the opposite! I don't see the point in over spending on a left back when their are available, cheaper and better alternatives. We have prospects as good as Moreno. We need a first team left back. Moreno is no more ready than Flanno or B.Smith.

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The real AG, Moreno is a really expensive left back ;)

In fact if we pay £20m for him I can't think of any who have ever cost much more. Maybe Coentrao and in the future, Shaw.

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02 Jun 2014 21:29:47
Macca Reporting the Deal is closed to be done. I am not sure about the fees. But He would be our second singing by end of the day.

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{Ed002's Note - So Macca said he was high?}

Actually, buying a house off plan (before it's been built) is a good way of getting a bargain.

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02 Jun 2014 12:54:23
"Liverpool has already had a verbal offer for Lovren rejected."

According to some reports the offer was 8-9 mill. That seems ridiculous since Southampton paid more than that for him last summer. Could the offer really have been that insulting Eds?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no interest in discussing money.}

Redkev

we always put stupid low bids in for players, I do remember us bidding 12 mill for suarez, maybe they hope it works once

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02 Jun 2014 21:27:40
Ed002 informed us of the rejected Verbal Offer weeks ago!

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Is a verbal offer worth more or less than a written offer?

What is the significance of the "verbal"?

Perhaps we should submit an offer through the medium of mime?

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02 Jun 2014 12:44:53
Eds.
Why are we not interested in ricardo rodriguez even though he is better than moreno and supposedly available at a similar price? And why are we not linked to another center back?

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{Ed002's Note - Give me a break. Why are Liverpool not interested in Mat Hummels?}

02 Jun 2014 13:09:33
Call up Brendon and ask dude.

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Why are Liverpool not interested in me?

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02 Jun 2014 12:39:16
ive just read that the moreno deal will be announced in the next few hours let's hope we move onto a CB next

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02 Jun 2014 12:38:46
No one deserves our Shirt than Lambert. I just read his letter to Saints supporters. Emotional
Welcome home Ricky.

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To put it bluntly he must be coming in his pants in the England squad then signing for his boyhood team god I bet he's floating on a high good luck to the bloke.

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02 Jun 2014 12:33:27
hi eds and red

why do you think we have not gone in for shaw, if we have gone in for lambert and lallana then with shaw being a very good left back something we need, I would have thought we would have went in for him, is alberto moreno better than shaw, or is it just down to the price, because we know the saints want 30 mill for lallana and the same for shaw I think 60 mill for 2 players is a lot of money

eds, what's happening with lovern, are we going to bid for him, is our interest very strong,

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{Ed002's Note - There are lots of players that Liverpool have not made an offer for - why not Evra? Why not Kolorov? A verbal offer was rejected for Lovren.}

02 Jun 2014 12:17:39
I have been looking in on this site now for the last 3 years and it is becoming increasingly more frustrating due to the amount of half wits to find posts that demonstrate an understanding of Liverpool F.C and its structure, and what in the press is not just wild speculation but out and out story telling! I stopped listening to stories when I was 6-7 Yrs Old, its just a waste of Eds time that some still see fit to ask about stuff that they have read in the Beano or on a Lavatory wall on the Mersey ferry! Come on guys let's get back to grown up posts and think before you ask!!

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02 Jun 2014 12:13:23
Morning ED's and fellow Reds.

First of all, welcome to Anfield Rickie Lambert, I'm a big fan of Rickie and think he will give us a different dimension up front - good luck to the lad.

My Monday morning musing.

I recently stated that I would pay up to 25M for Lallana: so if the reports are accurate (somewhat), then I'm please that BR and the team thought the same.

However, I would walk away at 30M. That is serious money and as terrific a player I think Lallana is, I just could not feasibly see why he is worth that sort of money. I think Southampton are over-valuing him personally, 25M is a large chunk of money and I'm very pleased it seems we have said ''take it or leave it'' at 25M.

30 Million could bring in the likes of Moreno and Kono: two positions we need more, than depth in the AM role of which Sterling, Coutinho (and where necessary Luis) can fill. Not to mention Suso (who I'm a big fan of and hope we hold on to).

I can't make any comments on Moreno because I haven't seen him play at all(?) - But I can't be 100% sure of that because I've watched Sevilla on several occasions on their route to UEFA(Europa paaaff) success and I can't say he stood out. Since I don't remember him? I know, he is a left back so is less likely to stand out, but I just seem to remember almost the whole back line of Sevilla getting booked very often, and nothing much else in the way of impressions?

But I do think the reported figure is a little excessive. It doesn't surprise me that Chelsea walked away at this price (although I'm guessing it wasn't just price which was the issue). I'd prefer we promoted Smith or went for a more cost effective option - but hey ''In BR we trust''.

Cheers all.

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{Ed002's Note - The price was agreed with Chelsea.}

02 Jun 2014 12:35:33
I wouldn't pay upto what you have stated for Lallana. He is a good footballer but not the amount Saints wants. I don't think Alonoso at his peak would cost above 30 mill.

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100% agree regarding Moreno and Smith mate. Just been banging the same drum further down the page. Ability wise they are about the same. Brad Smith is free, Moreno costs £20m. No brainer for me. I'd rather sign a guy in his mid twenties who won't stand in Brad Smiths way but will be a good short term option with sell on value. Bertrand, Rojo or Erkin are all better options in my opinion. Smith as the understudy. I don't see the point in spending £20m to have two understudys, because that's all Moreno is good for at the moment.

Were Moreno to sign, I'd be bitterly dissapointed for Smith and think it was a massive waste of cash; but I would support Moreno and hope he does well.

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02 Jun 2014 12:44:37
I think it's just a stalling tactic to delay any transfers out before a new manager is named. I don't blame Southampton management for not wanting to end up in the relegation zone next year if what appears to be an exodus, really happens. In the end, the players usually get what they want anyways, so if Lallana (and Shaw) want out, they will get what they want before the summer is over.

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The thing is though, it will definitely open up competition for that position, which is good thing imo. I'm pretty sure Smith will get chances next season. With the UCL, FA Cup, et al, we will need a full strength squad.

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02 Jun 2014 13:08:13
I agree with EMS (which rhymes with PMS by the way). I would have actually replaced Enrique with someone like Fabio Coentrao and promoted Brad Smith. I suspect the cost would have been if anything, slightly less.

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I hope you're right Kash. I've seen so many talented lads wasted through lack of opportunities In the last decade. Anyone remember Kristian Nemeth?

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FFS EMS you talk as though you are the head of the academy. You think Smith is remotely close to Morenos level right now? I've seen Smith in the first team once and he looked like a 7 year old. Completely lost. Moreno has just won the Europa League and has been capped by the world and European champions. That's quite a gap in terms of experience . And stop stressing. It's not your money and you aren't Ian Ayre.

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02 Jun 2014 14:14:03
I think the reaosn Real dropped interest in Moreno was Conetrao signing a new contract extension.

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You will disagree but yes. I actually think Smith is as good as Moreno. He has played once for the first team in a 20 minute cameo out of position against a team parking the bus. He deserves a chance before we blow £20m on his replacement.

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Smith deserves a chance to go on loan and learn first team football without the pressure of having to get more than 2 points a game for Champions League football. In 2 seasons he may be good enough to challenge our first choice LB.

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02 Jun 2014 21:31:07
Cheers for the replies lads.

Harry I know you disagree mate I've read plenty of your posts buddy - but we're all entitled to our opinion. Lots of my friends agree with you too - but the price attributed to a player is generally subjective; unless you understand the market throughout - even then it's what club A values the player at over club B (see issue right now)!

Kash - let's hope that Smith gets a chance in the cup ties.

EMS - I agree I would rather promote Smith than pay out 20Mill for a LB. I was hoping along the lines of a cheaper 'ready made' replacement with Smith as understudy and rotation. It would probably be too much to throw him straight into the starting eleven every game?

Ed002 - I won't press you on the reasons why Chelsea pulled out because you have already said it is not up for discussion - but thanks for your input.

Cheers lads.

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02 Jun 2014 11:55:19
Roy Hodgson has told England players to sing the National Anthem. I think he's been a bit rough on Wayne, how can the lad learn all the words in 2 days?

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This post is massively unfair. I met Rooney once at a club and he seemed by far the most intelligent of his friends. Tevez, Ronaldo and Coleen couldn't even tie their own shoe laces, whereas Wayne had the sense to buy himself Velcro trainers!

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02 Jun 2014 11:49:16
Welcome aboard ricki lambert good signing in my opinion, eds do you think there be any more signings this week? Ynwa

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Only players non involved in the world cup i'd imagine

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02 Jun 2014 11:31:01
Hey Eds, First of all I would like to extend a massive thankyou to all of you which put so much time and effort into this site, I was just going to ask (this is probably my ignorance coming through) how has Liverpool been able to complete the transfer of Rickie Lambert before the transfer window has opened? I wouldve thought they would have to wait until July to be able to do all the medicals and paperwork etc. Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - The paperwork cannot be processed by the FA until July 1.}

Would in your opinion (Ed 01/02) think it would be a better option to leave transfers until before the WC incase of injuries that could happen or get them done early before prices sky rocket? I wouldve been more of the thought it would be better to wait and do a proper assessment in the summer of what is needed, BR seems to be rushing his transfers this time round

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot see it making much difference.}

02 Jun 2014 11:30:21
THIS is the sort of guy I want playing for my club:

"I can't believe it. I've loved this club all my life. I left here 17 years ago -- and I haven't stopped loving it since.

"I have always dreamt of playing for Liverpool, but I did kind of think the chance of playing for them had gone. I didn't think the chance would come.

"I know how big Liverpool are -- and it means everything to me -- but I know what is important; I know it's what I do on the pitch and the minutes I play. I know that's what matters, and that's what I'll be focused on." - Rickie Lambert

Imagine a team made up from the likes of Lambert, Gerrard and Flanno!

Welcome to LFC, Rickie, YNWA

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This deals makes sense on so many levels.

1) it is not based on sentiment. Lambert is a very good striker and is different alternative to what we've got
2) Would be willing to sit on the bench so extended periods
3)Hes a Liverpool fan so he brings back that core to the club which went missing after cara left.
4) Cost only 4 million and wouldn't be huge wages either

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02 Jun 2014 12:40:11
Its a very good piece of business.

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02 Jun 2014 10:28:58
Gday Eds,
Is there likely some kind of loyalty bonus waived if Lallana hands in a transfer request? Would it be reasonable to speculate that Southampton are looking to maximize profit by saving on that?
Terrible queston, I know, but it's Monday morning, you can just tell me that a wizard is involved if you like.

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RedKev, Southampton are the selling club and they have all the rights to decide what price to put on their player. Liverpool the buyer can either pay the asking price, or manufacture a deal that will suit Southampton with 25m + whatever, or the third option is to walk away . Southampton are relying on Lallanas popularity and England call up etc, and expect few clubs to come in for him

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02 Jun 2014 12:15:36
As far as The Secret Footballers book has led me to believe, if a player is sold then he is entitled to the remaining value of his contract at the selling club. (although they never get the full amount they just use their agent to settle an amount). However if a player hands in a transfer request this nullifys the remainder of their contract.
This could be wrong and I'm sure the eds will correct me if it is, but this is what I was led to believe

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{Ed002's Note - You are wrong - the player waives his 5% of the transfer fee when he requests a transfer, that is all.}

02 Jun 2014 10:24:30
I really hope Southampton don't screw this lallana deal up. Liverpool are dead right to set their maximum offer at 25 million, it's not their problem that Southampton have to give Bournemouth 25%, SOuthampton signed that deal themselves and should accept the consequences. 18.75 million is still a fine profit on a player they got for nothing.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not Southampton who will screw it up. He is there player.}

How would you feel if say real offered 25 million for Suarez and made him hand in a transfer request and the complained that we were holding up the deal?
Lallana is a Southampton player they are entitled to ask what they feel is the value for him, if we choose not to match it that's that move on.
All these people complaining or speculating about Southampton holding up the deal or any wrong doing need to think before they type.

Lifelongred

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02 Jun 2014 11:16:33
He's their player.

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02 Jun 2014 12:40:45
Yeah I wasn't suggesting it's not Southampton's right just that I hope they don't play hardball too much because the player wants the move & so do I!

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{Ed002's Note - Pay the price then.}

So what your saying is if you and the player want the move all clubs should except any offer given to them, what would you have said last year if arsenals 40mill plus 1 had gone through because Suarez wanted it?
My suggestion is to write to FSG with your cv and ask for the job on transfers as you could save them a fortune.
Kids!

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03 Jun 2014 12:00:07
Lifelongred if you think I'm a kid you must be a grumpy old man, you've missed the humour in my post. All I'm doing is crossing my fingers that we get Lallana because I enjoy watching him play and trying to grow a beard. What would I have said last year if I was an Arsenal fan & my club had signed Suarez for 40mill plus 1? I would have said: "woohooo! We're going to win the league!

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02 Jun 2014 10:09:55
Looking increasingly unlikely that Lallana transfer will happen before the World Cup, only way this may happen is if he hands in a transfer request, but he probably won't do this as he would be disrespecting Saints.
LFC won't pay £30million and I don't think Lallana is worth anything near that. Hopefully we can try and sign Shaqiri who would be available cheaper but then I think we will also try to sign a attacking midfielder as Shaqiri is not as versatile as Lallana

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02 Jun 2014 09:14:12
Morning eds. just reading somewhere that Lallana isn't happy with Southampton due to them increasing his price again? would I be right in saying originally they wanted 25m but now there saying 30m?
If so do any of you know if he'd be willing to hand a transfer request in and if that would then be enough for the transfer to get pushed through?
Sorry for going on about Lallana but I do feel the question I'm asking haven't fully been covered. Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

Sorry ed but when you say no do you mean that even a transfer request wouldn't get the transfer at 25m done?

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{Ed002's Note - Why would a transfer request make him cheaper?}

It was my belief that if a player handed a transfer request in he wouldn't get any percentage of the fee there for the selling club would get more money?
So if we bid 25m and Lallana say got 10% of the fee being 2.5m him not getting that due to the transfer request being issued Southampton would therefore gain that? Hope that makes sense.
Again ed I could be wrong and my understanding is way off? cheers

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{Ed002's Note - 5%.}

02 Jun 2014 08:46:09
Does anyone else think a solid defensive midfielder would solve a lot of our defensive issues?

Red Rum

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Any recent interest in Fredy Guarin Ed?

Thanks in advance.
Red Rum

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{Ed002's Note - Not from Liverpool.}

You mean like lucas?

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Wouldn't hurt, but need solid consistent performers at back, especially in the centre

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Not quite like Lucas. I mean someone with energy and pace to get about and break up play effectively. A Fernando or Guarin type player.

For me, Lucas isn't same player as he was before his injury problems.

Red Rum

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I assume that's why there is interest in Emre Can Red-Rum.

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I think diame from west ham would be a great signing because he would or should be cheap

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02 Jun 2014 13:03:25
No. I suspect unless major changes are made to midfield, I can't see us not conceding, but that would come at the expense of our attacking play. It has to be a balance we need to strike and until then, I think the best we can do is bring in players who are individually better than the ones we have in defensive positions.

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I've been feeling this way for years. A tough tackling midfielder that can take down one on one players. I thought a few times jon Flanagan took down players hard, and they thought twice the next time to take him on. That's something I would love to see back in our midfield. I don't want him back, but a Javier Mascherano type.

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02 Jun 2014 08:26:52
Banter Please Eds,

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{Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

02 Jun 2014 21:20:28
Roger that Ed002

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{Ed002's Note - I had the same thought.}

02 Jun 2014 06:22:27
All these post worrying about saurez leaving and where all this money is coming from . Do you not think we would have moved for bony instead of Lambert if that was the case!

I know we don't have a set budget so to speak but I'd imagine 60mil was about right, also probably going to raise around 20-30mil with players leaving.

I really don't see saurez leaving this summer.

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02 Jun 2014 07:42:50
1. We still have no idea, Whether Suarez would stay or not (Assuming he will stay)
2. The budget figure is a wild guess. We simply cannot spend at will.

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I know the budget is a wild guess, which is why I've said we don't have a budget.

My point being is we should have enough to bring in a couple of decent players, without Saurez going.

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02 Jun 2014 10:35:37
Lavers

Yes, We might also raise some from sales (Preferably one for a new CB). I would like us to bring a DM, LB and LW which are very Important.

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I would imagine that Suarez is staying unless a £100 million pound bid is made.
I can't see that happening but you never know.

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{Ed002's Note - Thank goodness you are not just making up numbers.}

02 Jun 2014 13:00:14
If Suarez were to leave, I would suspect someone like Sanchez, not Bony, would be looked at.

I seriously think that Suarez won't leave this summer. I suspect the Man U and Spurs fans who are hoping for such a thing would be rather very disappointed.

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02 Jun 2014 02:56:28
ive just read the reason chelsa have pulled out the alberto moreno deal is because their 1st choice is filipe louis, and if that falls through the they wyll also come back in for alberto moreno plus Manchester United will bid for kono

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Kono will never come to United when they dnt have Champs League and lots of competition for his place on the team. It doesn't make sense

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02 Jun 2014 07:27:13
Their first choice was Moreno. They won't come back for him.

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Chelsea clearly dropped out of the deal for Moreno (for whatever reason) which leaves us with a virtual free run at him. I think he'd be a great signing and one for many years to come.

As for Konoplyanka. I think we now have zero interest in him. He is more likely to go to Manchester United at a reduced price of £12m.

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02 Jun 2014 12:57:48
Chelsea's first choice was Luke Shaw, not Moreno or Luis.

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02 Jun 2014 02:03:47
Hello Ed's! Bb
You guys have been doing a fantastic job! Keep it up! Has been regular in this site for last three years but never posted anything! The query I have is for beloved ED1 if he is around!
Since we are linked with Moreno! I have been tracking him for a while and as you mention he is good going forward but defensively is vulnerable! Do you think buying a guy with potential that will not fix the our defensive problem outright for 20 mil is a good move? To be honest, I personally think Smith will perform as well as Moreno will do shall he be given chance! What do you make of BR transfers so far? If the guys like suso, texeira, dunn and smith is not good enough, why do you think our boards thinks alberto, moreno are? I know BR has given chances to Youngster! But buying youngster when you have crops of them on you academy, does it makes sense?

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{Ed001's Note - it is a tough one, how do you make sure that the youngster you are paying big money for is better than the ones already at the club? In Moreno's case it is first team experience that puts him ahead of Smith. Smith is still young, there is nothing to stop him making it in time as well, but right now he has yet to show he is ready for the first team. On the other hand Moreno has shown he is ready for Sevilla's first team. In reference to Moreno, even if we did give Smith a chance, we would still need a left back anyway, as Smith can't play every game at his age. Also you need cover for loss of form, which happens to all youngsters at some point.
As for the likes of Alberto, that has always seemed an odd move, not because there is anything wrong with the lad's ability, just because we already had so many similar players in the academy system. I don't understand the thinking behind buying players like that, I would prefer to see money invested into improving the coaching of those we already have, rather than buying a player to play in the reserves and block the progress of players already at the club. It just suggests to me that Rodgers has doubts about the ability of those we already have to make the grade.
Impossible to judge Rodgers transfers this early on. Plus I am not sure I care if he gets 99% of them wrong or not, so long as he gets results on the field and doesn't make the club lose vast sums of money offloading the failures.}

02 Jun 2014 07:25:54
ED01, Absolutely spot on. What an Awesome point you made. I would rather sepnt less money on a decent LB, Betrand, Rodriguez etc.

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If Brad Smith is rated so highly then why not go for a short term fix for LB like Ashley Cole. A 2 year deal he brings quality & expierence and allows Smith to be intergrated into first team squad

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{Ed002's Note - That would cost Liverpool well in excess of £15M.}

The idea that Smith is ready to hold down a starting place in a top 4 and CL team is laughable. The fact is the jump from u21 to first team is huge. The naivety about how good our youngsters are and how quickly they can become first teamers is frightening.

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For me, this is another prime example of fans loving exotic names. Moreno is grossly over rated to the point where his own club are desperate to get rid of him for the inflated fee he is somehow going to fetch. Moreno may well go on to become an excellent player. However the only thing he has that Smith does not is first team experience. Smith is 20 years old now and if he fails to get significant game time next season, I'd say his career at Anfield is over. Moreno is only one year older and his only advantage as a player is first team game time. I think the phrase is a catch 22 scenario? Smith needs game time to gain experience, but needs experience to get gametime? No that doesn't wash with me. Moreno is a waste of money and we should have gone for a slightly older player like Bertrand who is currently better than Moreno anyway and won't basically kick Brad Smith in the teeth with a massive vote of no confidence to ever make it at the club.

Smith is a prospect. Moreno is a prospect. We needed a player ready for next season who would force Smith to up his game, not another prospect to essentially take Smiths place in the squad. I'll support Moreno, but I won't hide my dissapointment at him signing, even if that makes me as hated as Waro.

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Anfieldboy, I've not seen anyone suggest Smith is first team ready. He isn't. But I don't believe Moreno is much better. I merely wanted an established player in the role so that Smith would know we trust him to take the role in the future and that he needs to fight to break into the team. Rather than signing a player virtually the same age which basically tells Smith, unlucky mate but Moreno has a more fancy name.

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02 Jun 2014 10:11:40
YNWAdam

Absolutly spot on, I agree completly. Nothing wrong with the player, His main attributes are going forward (Thats not something we actually are looking for). Jose is a master of Identifying players, He won't drop out just like that.
This would be a huge Gamble by BR. Moreover, He is just a couple of years elder to Smith, How would that help Smith's development.

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Adam you make it sound like brad smith is the next roberto carlos.

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Ed / Reds,
Who is to say how far off the first team Smith is?
Flanagan confounded everyone this year when he got his chance.
Smith is described as "the quickest player at the club".
He'll make mistakes, but he's got the pace to correct them.
And how is anyone going to go past him for speed?
Me, I'd make do for another season with what we have or bring someone like Betrand, who'd be excellent competition for Smith.
Both amenable to Liverpool's coaching and style.

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Jessie, I just don't want the club to blow £20m on a player that we don't need in my opinion. Rodgers has a history of signing Spanish players who flop in the more physical English game. I personally think Moreno has the quality to adapt. However he is not even worth £10m, let alone twice that and I'd seriously rather we just gave Smith a chance if we are going to make a kid our first choice left back. As Ed001 says, youngsters are prone to lapses in form. So what happens when our £20m first choice left back suffers a dip for a few months? Our defence will actually get weaker if we sign him.

It's very hipocritcal though that the same people who don't think Smith is old enough want Flanagan as our first choice right back when they are virtually the same age.

Moreno got hyped up because Sevilla took a chance and threw him in at the deep end. We need to do the same with Smith. If he sinks, then at least he got a shot. If he floats, that's £20m towards actually passing the FFP rules.

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Maybe BR is send smith out on loan for a full season with no call back in it, so the lad does get the 1st team experience he needs and to see if he can carry his potential into the 1st team, myself would have him staying here to improve with the team he will play with for years,

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02 Jun 2014 12:24:39
Maybe, east midlands, the club actually don't trust Smith?
It could simply be that the club don't rate him highly enough, and want somebody else to battle with Enrique.
I could be wrong obviously, but Occums Razor tells us if we are looking for a LB, the hierarchy doesn't trust the LB's we have.
This would seem more likely, given the amount we are going to spend, it's not like we are looking for a £2 million back up option is it?

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02 Jun 2014 12:27:05
East mid scouser , why not just be happy we're actually in for a few players , instead of saying players are not good enough . Brendan has just got us from seventh to second have a bit of belief mate and stop all the moaning . Smith come on against Chelsea mate and his little head fell off , he couldn't even play a 10 yard pass to put one of are forwards in .

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02 Jun 2014 12:44:30
YNWAdam

I am so delighted, You actually care FFP, Financial Positions, Debt etc. Apart from Eds very few have anything on this.
If the Scouting are being paid well enough for their job, We should have atleast 3 alternatives for each player. I think I am wrong.

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02 Jun 2014 12:47:02
I just want to ask the above, Is Bertrand that poor?. He is not a world beater, An England International, Experienced proven in league and CL and would cost any club 1/4 of what we would pay for Moreno.
If BR has the magic of improving underperforming players, Y not then Bertrand?

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02 Jun 2014 12:49:12
Striker 9

You are saying An 18 year old boy against argubly the best organised Chelsea?. Ivanovic and hazzard?

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Striker9, I haven't once said Moreno is not good enough. Only that his price is too high and that he is no better than what we already have.

Smith came on against Chelsea out of position. It was most certainly one of Rodgers 'what the hell was he thinking' moments.

I'm delighted for the team, but why should we paper over all the cracks after one good season? I think Moreno is a waste of money, simple as. Us finishing 2nd last season has nothing to do with the £20m we are about to blow on a (currently) average player. It's just my honest opinion, and unlike most fans I'm not easily pleased just because the club is spending big money on foreign stars. I'd honestly rather sign Bertrand for a third of the price.

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Welsh boy,
You're going to the heart of the point. The PL (top /CL level) clubs are just hoovering up vast numbers of promising kids, from all over the world now. Unless they stand out like sore thumbs talent-wise, like a Sterling, they're left playing semi-competitive reserve football well in to their 20's, or loaned out here, there and everywhere.
It's getting worse with FFP too.
With few exceptions, there's no path for them to progress at their parent clubs.
Managers chopping and changing all the time. It's a real nonsense.
They're better off somewhere like Crewe, good coaching, proper football (not tippy tippy reserve), and then they can be sold on when ready, with the funds ploughed back into lower level football.

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I suppose that's a sad but very good point WelshBoyDave. I just hate seeing all these excellent youngsters pushed out by expensive imports.

I know Harry, too many people on here think we can continue to spend like this and not face any repercussions in the future.

A £50m fine awaits us next season if we waste yet more money on overly expensive players we don't really need. We need a left back, I just don't think Moreno is the right player or the right price. Caner Erkin or Ryan Bertrand are probably the best available options in my opinion. They are good enough to play for the first team tomorrow and won't stunt the development of the 5/6 full back prospects we currently have at the club.

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The one irony here though, Brad Smith is an Australian!
You could argue he's taking the spot of a local / British lad.

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I don't care what country he was born in. He came through our academy just like Sterling and Flanno etc. It shouldn't matter if you are a scouser or not. Players in the academy should be given a shot before they are replaced by players signed from abroad to appease the fans.

Gerrard and Owen would've struggled to make it if they had been born a decade later. It's just the way the game has gone.

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I don't care what country he was born in. He came through our academy just like Sterling and Flanno etc. It shouldn't matter if you are a scouser or not. Players in the academy should be given a shot before they are replaced by players signed from abroad to appease the fans.

Gerrard and Owen would've struggled to make it if they had been born a decade later. It's just the way the game has gone.

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02 Jun 2014 01:25:41
Question for any Ed; it seems like Southampton won't budge from 30 mil which is obviously their prerogative and fair enough to them.

Therefore, if Lallana were to hand in a transfer request, is there any reason at all to think that their valuation would change?

Clearly a transfer request has no contractual force, so is it likely to actually change anything at all as some people seem to be suggesting?

Cheers in advance and thanks for your hard work

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{Ed001's Note - they would get to keep more of the transfer fee were he to hand in a transfer request but it is unlikely to alter their valuation much.}

02 Jun 2014 07:28:18
I don't see Lallana handing a TR, This would go down to the wire, And I would absolutly gutted, If we meet their valuation.

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I agree, 30 million for Lallana is a no go for me. I'd want to see another season where he performs again at that level. I thought 20m was fair but he's Southampton's player and if they want 30m, that's their prerogative.

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If they won't budge on the figure.
Just wait and see how he gets on in world cup. If he has a fantastic WC then go for him.
We are in no rush at that price.

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{Ed002's Note - If that happens then the price will go up.}

Adam Blackmore (BBC Solent) has indicated, Lallana is currently very angry at the Southampton board for blocking his desired move. Apparently they have not even been answering his calls. So, he may well put in a TR but I think it'll make little difference and this might be one deal that we'll miss out on since we simply do not want to pay more than what we finally offered. To give this a little more authority than the usual twitter nonsense. Adam is a respected reporter and much of his conversation on Lallana is with Matt Le Tissier who seems to believe that if LFC pay the desired price then no Southampton fans would begrudge Lallana his desired moved to LFC for UCL football.

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{Ed002's Note - It is in the hands of Liverpool not Southampton or Lallana.}

02 Jun 2014 10:30:56
Or we could just drop our interest and look at alternatives who would be affordable.

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02 Jun 2014 10:42:00
The Real AG

I wish, But I can't see it happening, We might offer some kinda strange package and will meet thier valuation eventually. he would come with a price tag and will have to have a blinder next seaosn.
If he misses one trick. can't think what will people say about him.

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02 Jun 2014 11:01:48
But Ed002, You honestly think any club would be interested in him if his price rises again?

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{Ed002's Note - Southampton would rather not sell him.}

Reynard I read the same thing and that lallana is very unhappy with the saints board because of the loyalty he has shown them over the years plus they are not answering their captain, which says a lot to me, anyway, before or after the world cup something will happen, I will watch lallana very closely,

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02 Jun 2014 21:30:18
Mickey, I only read it in the early hours of the morning. but my feeling is that Southampton are pretty much doing exactly what we did with Suarez last year (as Ed002 is saying they don't want to sell him). so it is conceivable he will not move unless they get an over-the-top bid - which we are seemingly refusing to pay. It looks to me like he'll stay and he will simply have to pull his socks up and get on with it. and we'll move on to another target.

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02 Jun 2014 00:15:37
ed do you think Sanchez could be who LFC will look at if a deal for Lallana doesn't come to fruition? Cheers ed!

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{Ed002's Note - I have pontificated on this enough man.}

01 Jun 2014 23:34:17
hi eds do we hold any serious interest in viktor fischer, I think that's how it is spelled

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{Ed002's Note - He was looked at.}

01 Jun 2014 23:13:51
Hi eds, not sure if I'm a bit behind in the whole Lambert thing but I've just seen a pic of him signing a contract in what seemed to be LFC training gear, has he actually signed it is this pic a fake?

Many thanks

Henlow Red

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot possibly know what you have seen. Look at that dog over there.}

Lmao Ed

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02 Jun 2014 10:28:44
The picture you have seen is authentic. He has signed and will be announced soon.

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02 Jun 2014 10:47:13
What dog? Where? Where!? Has he got a stick? Where's the ball!? O look, it's my tail! Come here you!

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01 Jun 2014 23:06:19
hi all I have to say I have some concerns as regards the moreno transfer, Chelsea where in for this lad and just pulled out when deal looked done and said nothing, maybe it was because the lad was told he would play 2nd fiddle to azpillcueta, r maybe it was something else nothing to much was made of it, also real madrid where supposed to be big admirers and wanted to buy him but lost interest and coentrao signing new contract.this year he has not played very well for sevilla at all, and last the sevilla fans are more than happy to see him go for the money there going to get they prefare navarro, maybe br should be looking abit more for the kind of money he is going to spend.i know he has youth on his side but he might not be good enough for us.

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{Ed002's Note - Weird isn't it.}

02 Jun 2014 01:42:51
Yet another player dimed not good enough before a ball is even kicked in anger.

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Some fans rave about him, there could be lots of reason why chelski pulled out and that the spanish fans are happy to see him go, i'm sure BR has done his home work so let's see for our selves before worrying

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Just like how chelsea fans were happy when they sold sturridge?

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Although thinking of it who would you want in your back four a 21 year old who is talented but shakey or a 31 year old who has played consistently well at the highest level for many years

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02 Jun 2014 10:51:44
Somehow I doubt he'd be Spain's 2nd choice left back if he was no good. Sevilla's fans are happy to sell him because the offer is excellent for a LB and they have a replacement there already. They would hope that the 20 million euro would mean they don't need to sell ayone else this summer.

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02 Jun 2014 12:36:44
the lad hasn't shown much form this season at all he also has been left out of the spain squad,and yes he is great at bombing forward but his defensive qualities are not great for that money I think there could be better out there. ryan bertrand would be cheaper imo a better player who won't need time to settle the defence is as we all know needs the most work.if br can get that right come next may we could be epl champs.

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01 Jun 2014 22:24:51
Hi Eds,

My sources are telling me that we are interesting in Mascherano and Arbeloa to provide experience for the champions league.

Are those two eperienced players viable options for the champions league and the premier league next season.

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{Ed002's Note - Whatever you want man.}

Gerrard, Agger, Suarez, Lucas.

We have enough experience for CL. I certainly wouldn't pay millions just for someone who has a bit of experience. They have to be able to justify their place in the team

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02 Jun 2014 07:49:49
From the Club's point of view, What we need is CL for the next 4-5 years. Gradually buidling our squad. This would put the Club in an excellent position financially.

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02 Jun 2014 10:27:19
Do you have your sauce with dinner?

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02 Jun 2014 10:56:26
Is it January 2007!? Woohoo my time machine works! :D

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