Liverpool Banter Archive December 02 2015

02 Dec 2015 23:15:41
Great win tonight, enjoyed every part of that. Coming from behind makes it even sweeter. Just curious if anyone else watch Lallana's interview after the match? I know he's just played a full game of football, but still after a win like that he seemed pretty deflated. I can't help but feel for him, with so many players getting goals/assists and generally improving massively under Klopp he is yet to see any return for his hard work. I like him as a player and I think a run of a couple of goals/assists will really change him into a different player. I feel like the reason he holds on to the ball so long even now is because he is so desperate to score. I'd be interested to know everyone else thoughts?

02 Dec 2015 23:29:40
I think if he was disappointed it was probably with the reception he got from Saints fans. He had a good game tonight and looks like he's enjoying his football to me.

02 Dec 2015 23:39:08
Well, my opinion of him has changed, as with Coutinho and Firmino up front, they are all deadly. That would be my attacking line if Sturridge is injured, with Benteke bought on to change the game if need be. But yeah, he holds on to it, but with other skilly players around him, he excels.

02 Dec 2015 23:51:20
I think he was more down about how pathetic and disrespectful the Saints fans were. He gave them a large portion of his prime years and turned down big moves a lot of times when they were just Lower league cannon fodder. He left gracefully and got the club a very large amount of cash. How do they repay him for leading them back to the top of the game? By booing him for 90 minutes.

I'd be deflated too.

02 Dec 2015 23:54:22
Personally I just feel like he's not good enough. He presses very good but his distribution is fairly poor. U mentioned he holds the ball too long and his corner that was 40 ft too high sums up his contribution imo.

03 Dec 2015 00:14:40
Maybe because it was because he was getting a by of stick from a club he played for for many years and loved? Or that we just smashed them and felt a little sorry.

03 Dec 2015 00:41:12
Don't get me wrong guys, I'm in no means suggesting he's been playing badly or is a bad player! I was watching the game in library as I'm finishing off essays so I didn't have any sound so I didn't hear the saints fans in which case that would make sense. I could just tell he seemed disappointed with something in the interview and it must've been that rather than anything else.

03 Dec 2015 02:41:49
Sad to see Southhampton booing for 75mins the kid has loads of respect for the club, i think he is working hard with no reward and will show his worth in coming games. Great game for the liverpool family tonight.

03 Dec 2015 07:13:35
How do you hear the interview and not the booing? Not a criticism just curios!

03 Dec 2015 11:25:27
He can lip read?

03 Dec 2015 13:56:17
I think Lallana has been one of the most consistent players in our run. He doesn't have to get on the score sheet to effect the game. He controls the ball in tight areas and gets other people involved, he's pressing with intensity in line with what the manager asks of him and he's put in a few clever passes. He could have scored one or two in that spell, but by and large, it hasn't been necessary.

As for his reception from Southampton fans on Sunday, fans are fickle. But if he didn't see a better chance to win trophies at Liverpool, he wouldn't have left to start with, so, ultimately, he shouldn't feel bad when he gets a win against them.

02 Dec 2015 23:02:42
I recall 30 years ago, looking at the next fixture and thinking. yup 2 points here, no worries.

I am starting to think like this again. JK and the squad, well done to you all and thank you.

03 Dec 2015 03:10:39
I know what you mean. Back in the day it didn't really matter who the opposition was we always knew we were going to give them a game and that it was always likely that we were going to win. bit of a novelty in recent times but I watched the match and thought - Newcastle at the weekend - three points.

03 Dec 2015 12:17:16
2 points?

Must have been more than 30yrs ago, pre Chinny Hill.

02 Dec 2015 22:58:45
I thought we were "outstanding" tonight and showed "great character" . you see Brendan when you beat someone 6-1 away after going a goal down after 41 seconds this is the correct context to use these phrases in 😎

Thank God we got Jurgen Klopp.

02 Dec 2015 22:47:08
Well chuffed with tonight's result and performance, delighted for Origi and what a ball by Smith for his hat trick goal, shame Can is suspended for Sunday but we have the squad to cope.

02 Dec 2015 23:01:40
Same squad, same players but some difference. Amazing.

03 Dec 2015 00:41:13
Henderson will be back to full fitness so no worries.

Past two games Can has been brilliant though so it is a shame.

02 Dec 2015 22:35:22
I think us having klopp makes us the envy of all none liverpool fans. The guy is a genius what a difference he's made. Think back not too long ago to now. I can't wait for the next game allready.

02 Dec 2015 22:31:30
Honest to God I hope Joe Allen performs like that more consistently and turns his career around! Who knows if it'd be at Liverpool or not, but would love him to recall time he spent with us having good rapport with the fans. The lad is always polite, humble and seems like a gentleman in his interviews, even when benched. I sincerely hope he is a good learner and follows the steps of Lucas and Henderson! Not exactly a clear man of the match performance. There were so many impressive players all over! Absolutely thrilled so many people here are giving him credit too! Cheers guys!

02 Dec 2015 23:05:01
If I was to be overcritical Allen still gave the ball away too much - whether that is tactics or him - i still wasn't overly impressed - good ball to Sturridge but the worst of three CM's we started today!

03 Dec 2015 02:51:41
Hoopla, your post sounds bitter.

02 Dec 2015 22:35:29
Bought by Rodgers and Excelled under Klopp.
Allen has moved out from his comfort zone of keeping the ball and passing it around to more of an offensive midfielder. Pressing high and passing forward.
Not easy to adapt to a new role, but then he knows the completion and has responded magnificently,

I am proud because he he is playing good, More he has the backing of Klopp.

Klopp has seen Allen enough to keep him.

03 Dec 2015 11:21:03
You have to put this Joe Allen in context. He was loved and raved about by Brendan, and then things didn't turn out quite well. Many fans felt he got to play more than he deserved simply because he was Brendan's favorite. That doesn't help your confidence. Then the wait of expectation because of how much we paid for him and how much was expected of him.
I feel the appointment of a new man, a different man from Rodgers may help unshackle him, and that seems to have been the case in the last few weeks. And if he ever needed any inspiration for how to win the fans around, he should just look around two other fellow midfield players, and he'd see one of them is currently wearing a captain's armband, and the other is currently the Elder statesman of the team!

02 Dec 2015 22:15:01
Wow 6-1 . We have Jurgen Klopp. I still can't believe that.

02 Dec 2015 22:21:10
Still think our squad is average dbol?

02 Dec 2015 22:27:54
87 red
There is weak spots in the first team yes.

02 Dec 2015 22:46:00
Big Al, there is not one team in the world that has 11 perfect players. Of course there are weak spots in the first 11. Just like Barca, Madrid, Bayern. Just enjoy the win and stop being so negative.

02 Dec 2015 23:03:25
87. Mate it's all down to Klopp. Genius.

02 Dec 2015 23:14:32
Big Al, the question was whether the squad was average. You made up an answer to a different question.

02 Dec 2015 22:06:34
We got stoke. Happy enough. Glad to avoid city before a possible final. Stoke will still be a tough match but with the way we are playing I'm quite confident. Great form at the minute.

02 Dec 2015 22:24:48
Happy enough?! Hard to please mate, out of that draw I'd bite your hand off for that draw, city will always be hard and Everton over two legs is a lottery. Stoke I'm happy with.

02 Dec 2015 22:13:13
We ll get the job done in the AWAY leg. We are too good traveling.

02 Dec 2015 21:55:34
It was coming but wow! Great to see different players buzzing. Origi- amazing. Brilliant balls from Allen, Smith and can. Goals from all over the pitch. Impressed. Loved the picture of lookout and Henderson before he came on. Welcome back Daniel. Happy days!

02 Dec 2015 21:46:09
Wow . Can I just say well done to everyone there tonight . Origi hattrick ( hopefully ) Allen made the first ( with a quality ball ) and cut out the pass that lead to the 2nd . Both played really well tonight . Both have been slaughtered on here and both stepped up . Not saying their into the prem first 11 but they both proved a point tonight that with hard work and good coaching that we can trust the players we have . Fonte was the only player ( I think ) that Southampton had missing tonight and we ripped them a new one . Let's start getting behind these players instead of ripping shreds off them before they have played . YNWA
Jsmesee.

02 Dec 2015 22:03:49
This is what really annoys me about Allen, he is capable of some really good performances, but he doesn't do it enough! Tonight was a massive improvement from him compared to his recent performances, but it still wasn't as good as some games we have seen from him. Anyway, after that I think he should deserve a shot to start against Newcastle. On Origi, he hasn't faced nearly as much criticism here as Allen. yet. Most of what has been said about him was all fair criticism in my opinion, tonight he was good and obviously you cannot look past 2 quality goals, but i do not think he will get the nod against Newcastle. Right now I just don't see a future for him at Liverpool simply because we could sell him for a few million to allow us to improve areas we are weak in. Obviously I hope he proves me wrong and becomes a quality player for us in future years. Anyway this post seems a little negative tonight was brilliant and our next fixtures appear to be kind so it's time for a good run we might just be top at christmas!

02 Dec 2015 22:07:03
Forget Christmas I can't believe its bloody december already!

02 Dec 2015 22:15:23
Lfc

That's mainly Coz, you have never seen him play before. The style and the way he play now is completely different from his Swansea days. He is a fine intelligent footballer who knows what's his role is in the team.
Once you know what you got to do, you don't have two options.

02 Dec 2015 21:45:25
made up for origi, didn't think he would cut it. Him and sturridge up front looks like a great partnership. Origi gave me flashes of Torres tonight. He looks like a new man. keep it up!

02 Dec 2015 21:55:58
So we just wait for the £50m Chelsea bid?

02 Dec 2015 22:01:10
I thought he was fantastic tonight and showed the potential he undoubtedly has. He will be inconstant being a young un but it's in his locker.

03 Dec 2015 01:44:17
Wiserryan

i agree mate, i thought he's got talent but wasn't ready. But he definitely showed he's capable of stepping up!

02 Dec 2015 21:45:21
To b fair klopp is going to have to tell the boys to take it easy on the home teams or one is going to play us.

02 Dec 2015 21:42:08
Klopp life lesson:

Work hard and Belief and success will come.

The message is really sinking in, this is the same team that had so many under performing players. Not only is he winning games but he's probably increased the value of the squad by 25%.

With the addition of a couple players of Klopps choosing, we could genuinely move to the next level. Attracting those players with performances like this.

Well done tonight to all 1-6 is incredible as I listen on the Internet. Well done.

02 Dec 2015 22:10:31
To be honest, If Klopp manages to get this team to the top 4 that he inherited, suddenly Liverpool become one of the most attractive propositions around. Just think, every player is well aware of Klopp's talent, winning the Bundesliga and reaching a CL final thrashing Real Madrid in the process. And now he is in one the worlds most famous and historic football clubs, who wouldn't fancy that?

02 Dec 2015 21:40:52
First time I've ever gone into a draw hoping for an away tie!

Fantastic from the boys and the normal one!

And so the Klopperlution continues.

02 Dec 2015 21:48:41
Semi finals 2 legs bro! ;)

02 Dec 2015 21:38:17
Wow. what a win. well done lads and origi. brilliant stuff.

02 Dec 2015 21:33:18
How good do these men look. Teams need to start taking liverpool serious again. I love klopp he's made me fall in love with football again.

02 Dec 2015 21:37:32
Brad smith what a cross too, on a plate isn't kind enough.

02 Dec 2015 21:43:44
This Klopp is a proper magician. We all knew he is a great manager, but he must have some super powers. Going to Southampton with this team and coming back with this result after conceding in the first minute and not being in the game for 20 mins. It just seems like you will give him our under 18 team and he win the league with them. Genius, true genius.

02 Dec 2015 21:32:01
Origi hattrick or moreno goal?

02 Dec 2015 21:42:20
Well, good for Origi but it did look like it was Moreno's goal all the way. Who cares 6 is 6!

02 Dec 2015 21:43:30
Origi hattrick mate. Think moreno will give it him.

02 Dec 2015 21:46:11
100% origi hat trick. That little touch put it under the outstretched keepers arms.

02 Dec 2015 22:05:08
Should be origis. What a game lads. Now away to Stoke between us and the final. Merseyside derby Any1? lol.

02 Dec 2015 22:40:50
Have to give it to origi. Delighted for the guy.

02 Dec 2015 22:49:00
There are two legs in the semi.

02 Dec 2015 21:29:39
Who wants 7?

02 Dec 2015 21:14:21
Lucas has won every single header tonight, quality performance. Come on red men!

02 Dec 2015 21:18:49
Life under KLopp is just too good at the moment. We look amazing tonight. 5-1 and still plenty of time. Are you enjoying it Ed01!

{Ed001's Note - loving it mate.}

02 Dec 2015 21:47:07
who for you ed01 were our top three players?

{Ed001's Note - Lucas was immense despite one mistake, you have to say Origi and Studger for their goals, though I would like to put Lovren forward too.}

02 Dec 2015 21:13:00
We should play away every week.

02 Dec 2015 21:07:02
What are we seeing from Joe Allen tonight, usually when he plays well it's because he presses well, neat and tidy, calms the game etc. etc. I don't think Allen has ever put in a performance like he has so far tonight, a few crunching tackles, incisive passing.

Looks a completely different player.

02 Dec 2015 21:18:01
I agree, some of his through passes have been sublime. Can't criticise any players on tonight's showing.

02 Dec 2015 21:33:03
For me he has played this good before on a few occasions, He has it in his locker but I reckon it's fear of making a mistake. Needs to be braver on the ball. But we'll done tonight!

02 Dec 2015 20:40:05
Not knocking Benteke, but Sturridge is on another level.
Everything he does is with added quality, integral member of the squad.
Great times ahead if he can stay fit and we can add Coutinho, Firmino, Hendo, Sakho to the team. without even thinking about possible January additions.
Wahooo! 😅👍.

02 Dec 2015 20:59:51
Do we need additions?

02 Dec 2015 21:17:28
Imho, you have to alwaya look to improve the squad. If the correct players are available then we should try to get them in.
I've always felt our current squad was capable of playing at a much much higher level than we were under Rodgers regime. Klopp has proved that right and some so far, long may it continue. 😆👍.

02 Dec 2015 20:34:22
And to think some here wanted to get rid off Sturridge. How u like them apples!

02 Dec 2015 20:37:07
Very true pankaj. He is our best player in the entire squad. Hopefully he will remain fit.

02 Dec 2015 20:38:44
And some will still want hjm gone. I'm not included in that as we couldn't replace him.

But how many games until he is injured again? 2,3,4,5,6,7? Will he make it until the end of the season - we already know the answer - but will he say get to the end of January without an injury?

That's why people want him gone and it has absolutely nothing to do with his quality bit if we don't sell now and at least try and make some doh off him then we might never get anything and we need someone who is more reliable.

So. instead of coming on just to try and show off, why don't you start trying to understand other peoples points properly.

02 Dec 2015 20:44:16
As i have said before, Van Persie had as many injuries at Arsenal early on in his career and he overcame them. Sturridge is worth the wait imo.

02 Dec 2015 20:45:31
Paulo I'm sure many understand their view points however I can't understand one negative which is based on chance can overway the real benefits of having him on our team. I feel like something can happen when he plays similar to when suarez played.

02 Dec 2015 20:47:45
I know your point Paulo but he doesn't have to play every game. we have enough cover with benteke, Firmino, Origi and even Sinclair but we really need to keep hold of Sturridge because what you saw today is what this guy can do every time.

02 Dec 2015 20:49:21
Paulo, is not that we don't understand your point, we think you're wrong. The chance of a fit sturridge is more valuable than the financial gains in selling him.

02 Dec 2015 20:16:26
Sturridge silneces the critics in 5 minutes brilliant.

02 Dec 2015 20:14:49
What a ball Emre. Take a bow son.

02 Dec 2015 20:11:34
Cracking goal. Where r the Allen haters now?!

02 Dec 2015 20:17:39
I don't like Joe Allen playing for LFC but that was a great ball, fair play.

02 Dec 2015 19:28:14
Who else can't stand le tissier? ! Such a melt and talks so much rubbish. Great goals but that's about it! Sucks as a pundit.

02 Dec 2015 19:03:01
Teixiera must be useless in training.

02 Dec 2015 14:05:56
Just been watching highlights of Liverpool Tottenham again from 13/14.reminded me how lucky we were to have Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho in attack together, edge of your seat stuff.

The closest I've seen coming even close to that in recent year and a half was the recent man city game with its pace and movement, I felt that thrill again that anything might happen. I can't wait to see Sturridge, Firmino, Coutinho, Llalana together and all settled, fit and on form. Think we might just start to see us tearing sides apart again.

I would however like to see a 4th attacker with a bit of pace. I really like Milner and Llalana but I do miss that burst of pace from midfield Sterling gave us. Hopefully Ibe can be that once matures a bit more, or Ojo or Kent in time.

Feels good to feel excitement at what hopefully might be just around the corner.

02 Dec 2015 14:43:51
Pretty sure sturridge was unavailable for that spurs game. But 13-14 was indeed edge of the seat stuff. Couldn't wait for the next game to start then, and after a good 18 months or so, that feeling is back.

02 Dec 2015 15:09:09
Zimbo: you forgot about Ings?

02 Dec 2015 14:36:15
Another first rate post, Zimbo.

I totally agree. I think the best attack we've seen in years-- since 2013/14-- was the Man City game.

What I find annoying, however, is that since that brilliant game, all I've seen from commentators and former players, is a steady drum call "for more crosses for Benteke".

There was an article the other day with Aldridge calling for that.

And now Phil Thompson has made similar comments: Liverpool need more crosses to "utilise" Benteke's presence best.

The assumption, I think, here is that when teams "park the bus" at Anfield, our only hope is throwing in crosses.

I actually think the kind of pressing and fluid/creative attacking we saw in the City game has a much better chance at breaking down teams conceding possession, than focusing on a target man.

As you said in your post, zimbo, our most successful year was not a year that we used such an offense. It was fast and creative attack led by Suarez/Sturridge.

If I wanted to watch a boring and ineffective attack, where a team huffs in crosses all day, I'd watch van Gaal's United.

02 Dec 2015 18:27:21
I always think when people say more crosses it's so subjective though. For example if we kept trying to swing them in like bentekes goal against Southampton it would be poor to watch and maybe work once a game. Why can't we just work it around, and of we get to the byline dunk it back for benteke to nod in. Prevents out players from having to cross properly which seems like we struggle with at times.

02 Dec 2015 10:07:29
Benteke for Costa, what are u smoking? . Costa had a good first half to last season and since then has scored 5/6 goals in his last 20odd premier league games. Jesus Christ, benteke has played well when called upon this year and has fitted in well. Give him a chance.

02 Dec 2015 14:20:03
Wouldn't want him. not sure Benteke works at his optimum as a sole striker for us given we lack pure wingers, but he still works hard, is very dangerous and scores some fabulous (and vital) goals. I really think he'll end up coming into his own for us when Sturridge is back assuming Klopp can figure out how best to play them both together. his size and finishing with Sturridges pace and movement could end up being devastating.