Liverpool Banter Archive December 02 2014

 

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02 Dec 2014 23:09:29
First of all very well done to the lads, but now onto the very bad mess Mignolet put us in. We definitely need a better goalkeeper, he is very weak, and his ball distribution is horrendous. I nearly had a heart attack every time he touched the ball. Do you have any names we could go for in the January transfer window, and another below average player today was Johnson he is light years away in ability and speed. He really holds us back attack wise, and he is very very slow, grandma speed.
We have to play Steve in this forward position he was much more effective.
Well dthat me again.

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Agreed mate. really do not care at this point how deep the club is in the s*** over FFP but the club has to spend in January on a quality GK. Its a necessity, and players like Borini (who hardly plays), Enrique and Jones need to be sold to raise funds if necessary. The above players have hardly contributed to the club's cause so they will not be missed. Just hope the GK is quality and not a cheap option the club goes for. Names like Neto, Valdes being bandied around unsettle me. We need to aim higher and look for someone like Begovic, or Cech to improve the backline.

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In our position, we will take the win how ever way we can get it. This team is still low on confidence and the only thing that will help them right now is getting wins. As for GK`s, replacing Mingo w/ a GK who is not a real upgrade on him nor his abilities is just dumb because U don`t replace a player just for the sake of replacing. Whatever GK we get has to be the right one for our system and an a big improvement on Mingo.

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2 points I would like to make. Firstly you say we need to spend big this January, you talk like it is your money you are talking about. Secondly what clubs would buy Enrique and Jones? and we have already tried to sell Borini and that didn't go well

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02 Dec 2014 22:48:39
The secret word for a rejuvinated side
and better play and results is "LUCAS"
He gives proper support and protection
To the defence. and gives the freedom
To other midfielders to bomb forward
While he works his socks off destroying
And killing build up play by the oposition,
Every succesful winning team must
Have one such player of these qualities
Even barca have busquets doing the
dirty work for others!

Hope that BR sees this now and sticks
with him now more often!

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I think Lucas is refunding his form that he had when he got that knee injury several years back. He saved us multiple times today and his ability to break up plays key. Agree with you fully on this one.

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Been saying this for months to mates, he's by far our best defensive midfielder. we are having problems in defence and he's left on the bench. had he actually been played in that position last year we may have won the league ( hated when BR played him on left or right of the diamond)

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Lucas has been LFC's hero in the last couple of games. His calmness and positioning has been brilliant and has given Hendo the freedom to move further forward and press high up the pitch. Hopefully Brendan sees sense and makes him one of the first names on the team sheet for every game till we get proper competition for him in the CDM position.

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He`s a very smart player w/ great ability and superb work ethic. He has a great mentality and plays for the shirt. These are the types of players (Lucas, Toure, Borini, Lambert, Hendo) we need in the squad if we are going to get out of this rutt for we`re in.

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Agreed, but not just Lucas our recent turn around is down to Lucas, Kolo, Lambert and finally playing stevie as an attacking midfielder!

Maybe the penny has finally dropped!

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02 Dec 2014 21:46:51
Slowly improving. No surprise its because Toure is in and IMO man of the match Lucas is playing cdm.
Shame its taken til now for Rogers to use them.
Still not sure why he persists with Allen. Can and Marko for lallana and Lambert would have seen us score a few more I think. Bringing Lovren on again just asks the opposing team to lump it into the box. Silly tactic when we're awful at defending!
Oh well. another 3 points on the board. Onwards and upwards.

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02 Dec 2014 21:44:45
Lads, a win's a win, but this was still fairly poor.

There was a moment when Sterling was trying to get away from about 4 Leicester players, and the rest of our midfielders were all 20+ yards away and just trotting forward to support him, not one out of Gerrard, Hendo or Lucas ran forward to help him. Really typified our approach. No urgency and the bare minimum of effort required. And this happened when we had a man advantage. We were still far, far too slow to move the ball, and for the most part Lambert and Sterling were our only pass options. Leicester were first to everthing, even when there were only 10 of them. Call it negativity, if you want, I call it realism. If we play like this against anyone in the top half, we'll lose. I'm hoping it's just a confidence thing and if we grind a couple more out the football will improve, but I just still have a feeling it's a little more.

Gerrard was a positive, he wasn't the "Gerrard of old", but he took his goal well and was our only player who tried to get into space to exploit the extra man after Morgan was sent off. Demonstrated that even if he hasn't got the engine he used to have, he still has the instinct to find space, and if given a chance, he will finish. I'm hoping the combination of this, and Lucas starting 4 games in a row, is the end of the Gerrard DM experiment.

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The team is still vey low in confidence hence, are still reluctant to go gong ho for fear of being caught out which is why BR brought on Lovren late on even if having more defenders does not make you defend better because as you say, we are just piss poor at it atm. All in all, I`ll take the win because in the end, that will only do the players, coach and the fans a world of good and make training easier to bear in prep for the wknd game w/ Sunderland.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't understand the logic in that move. We were 3-1 up with a couple of minutes to go, against the team bottom of the league who were down to ten men. If we can't defend that position with our normal eleven players, then we don't deserve to be in this league! All it did was invite pressure on and confuse the players who have to reorganise at a time when they should be looking to just gain possession and keep it.}

To be fair ed, had he not down that and we had conceded it would have been the exact opposite response. It's fairly obviously their one way back into the game would be launching high balls so somone with strength and height to deal with that wasn't a bad shout. We didn't concede anymore, not did it loo. Likely so what the issue? 3 points any which way right now.

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Just made my point for me Ed. because you have many defenders doesn`t make you defend better, . In fact, you are more likely to concede by have players in the box who are trying to re-find their way an end up bumping into each other and causing unforced havoc in the box.

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02 Dec 2014 22:23:33
Made up about the result, even if it is against the bottom side. We just need to start putting together a few decent results to get some confidence back, a win against Sunderland on Saturday will give us the boost to grab a result at Old Trafford the following weekend.

Am I right in thinking that this was Stevie's first goal from open play for a couple of years. ? I echo all the other sentiments that hopefully Brendan is starting to see how Stevie can still be a force for us.

When Danny is back, I'd love to see Stevie in behind Danny, with Raheem at the tip of the diamond behind, with Hendo/Can/Allen taking the middle and Lucas sitting in behind. Until Danny is fit, Stevie should play/alternate with Balo to support Ricky.

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I know its stevies best spot but what about coutinho? when danny plays with cout, its the little through ball master that creates most of dannys goals.

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03 Dec 2014 08:22:25
I think he got one last season didn't he?

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Don't hold me to it, but I think Gerrards last goal from open play was that 25 yard volley vs Man City.

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03 Dec 2014 09:57:10
Mark, good point, maybe Couts could be there to replace Stevie or vice versa.

Btw, checked that Stevie's only other open play goal out of the last 20 was his header against the Bitters in our 4-0 win.

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Headers from corners are not considered open play goals. They are are also set piece goals.

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02 Dec 2014 22:12:57
I'm so pleased Rodgers is listening to the fans and not being stubborn anymore (touch wood).

Toure in centre back, Lucas in holding midfield, Lambert up front, Lallana starting, Gerrard in attacking midfield, AND we pressed higher!

Let's hope he sticks with this. Only black mark on todays game was Johnson and in particular Mingolet, who both characteristically reverted back to poor performances after the second half vs Stoke. Skrtel wasn't bad though to be fair to him.

On a side note, how refreshing is it to see so many English players on a Premier League pitch?

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02 Dec 2014 23:11:55
I think there's just a little red tint on your specs there mate. The scoreline flattered us a bit, we were still too lethargic in the build up and even down to 10 men, Leicester were sharper to loose balls and breaks. I wasn't all that impressed with Skrtel either, tbh. Ulloa and Vardy bullied him a bit, especially in the first half, and that's par the course for Skrtel these days. Lovren and Sakho may make mistakes, but they're much harder to play against.

We need to play better overall. Maybe it's just a case of needing to grind out a few results like that to get the confidence going again. I certainly hope it is anyway.

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When Sakho plays after injury, and Moreno plays instead of Johnson, I will know he has listened.

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Based on current form, Kolo and Manquillo (coz the alternative is Johnson) are sure shot starters. Skrtel is a liability so Sakho should come in for him and Moreno must be undisputed first choice at LB. If Brendan cannot see that, then it may require another couple of losses to make him see more sense and the club simply cannot afford that anymore.

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Pressed higher? Really? with stevie as no.10 we have no pressing capabilities what so ever.

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02 Dec 2014 22:05:38
God knows i have given some stick out after the dross that has been served up by Liverpool so credit where it's due tonight WELL DONE LADS, a great effort and a better result, 1-3 could have been more so well done glimpses of better things to come, i still think we need more muscle in the team, and Sterling needs to stop getting pushed off the ball.

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02 Dec 2014 21:59:53
Really pleased that Lucas is back in the team. I think he has made a major difference in the last couple of games. I remember someone on here saying that he could be sold in Jan when he wasn't getting a game, is he in Rodgers plans for the future?

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02 Dec 2014 20:57:53
That's why Gerrard's no defensive midfielder, get in!

Red Rum

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What did I say two days ago haha.

Let him be captain fantastic in reduced game time :) if we have to rest him for a game to get this out of him in the next, then so be it!

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To be fair EMS, I think it was only Rodgers that couldn't see what all us fans could clearly see.

Red Rum

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RED RUM and EMS,
I'm not able to see match, are you saying he is playing really well and attacking well or is it just that he scored a goal.
I'm following match text online but they haven't said Gerrard has been a class act but maybe they are not fans.

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He's playing really well mate, looking more like the Gerrard of old. Great link up play, great passing and a great goal.

Red Rum

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Good stuff so let's hope BR sees and learns.

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EMS you wanted Allen to play ahead of Gerrard as he doesn't score from open play.

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I know Red Rum. Now do you see why we wanted this Waro? We're not Gerrard haters, we just want Rodgers to play him where he can do himself justice; even if it means he needs a rest every so often like against Stoke.

He was sensational McGoveb. Best he has played since that hattrick against Everton.

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I'm so glad he's been given the opportunity to show he's still class in that position, he might not be able to do it twice a week but in my opinion he's still the best midfielder we have. I also think we look a little more solid with Lucas in front of the back four, it wasn't stellar but it's progress and hopefully we build on this. Onwards and upwards!

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Still a bit kick and rush in defense mate but a much better team display and best i have seen Stevie G in ages.

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Omg we're calling his performance last night sensational. we've lost the plot gents

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02 Dec 2014 20:57:40
There you go.

If you put Gerrard in the top third instead of asking him to be Lucas, he can still deliver.

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02 Dec 2014 20:53:28
Eds fellow, reds .IMO Stevie gerrard is liverpools best ever player .the club need to do all they can to keep him there at any cost he is more important to us than any other player .his legs might be shot but him and carra are Scouse lads they know what we're about we've already lost carra so don't make same mistake with Stevie get him in around the 13/15 years olds .let him bring them on to the right levels .this is a must for us or we will just dwindle away because there no one else there with the same mentality of our club .

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02 Dec 2014 19:32:22
Emre Can on the bench again, come on this is disgraceful, it's Leicester we're playing, if this guy is the new Gerrard or a box to box player let's get him on the pitch and give him game time,

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02 Dec 2014 20:44:40
Alberto Moreno on the bench and Henderson is being tied hands and leg down at the half way line.
Excellent BR.

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02 Dec 2014 20:53:25
Well Moreno came on at HT, so hopefully that'll be the end of him not starting.

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02 Dec 2014 19:29:03
Ed,
Is Brad Jones really that bad, no that shocking of a goalkeeper seeing as he can't get a game for Liverpool no matter how very very poor Mignolet plays.

This is an honest question Ed, I really wonder how bad the guy must be if he can't get a game at the moment.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry to say, because he is a massive Liverpool fan and a lovely lad, but yes, he really is not good enough to get in the team. It was a shocking purchase in the first place.}

Thanks for taking the time to answer Ed, what a pity for the guy because he would be our no. 1 at this stage if he was better.

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02 Dec 2014 19:45:43
His distribution is slightly better than Mignolet's. His shot stopping is worse. He's worse off crosses. And he makes more errors.

So yeah, despite Migs' struggles, Jones would not be an improvement.

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Agree with every word that Ed001 has said there, he is a great bloke, but a poor keeper.

And seeing as Mignolet has just cost us another goal minutes after nearly gifting Cambiasso we really do have the two poorest keepers.

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Jose Enrique is the best goalkeeper we've had for 4 years.

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02 Dec 2014 20:49:37
I don't see anyone interested to Buy Migs with this form.
He has never distributed a ball to our player in 2 years.I could assure it.

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, you boys are embarrassing thinking that's migs fault, having just denied a goal he's rushing to get back into position, when it's hit and he's not set. You might want to blame johnson for getting caught in posession 80 yards up the field, or skrtel for not actually clearing it.

If you think BJ deserves a chance you are beyond reach

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Can`t fault him for the goal because it was just unfortunate. GJ is back to being a poor defender as he is the principal cause of that goal.

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02 Dec 2014 18:29:32
Ed001 if you're about and got some spare time could you give us your opinion on Borini? I enjoy reading your summaries on players!

he seems like the sort that gets his head down and trains hard etc, is this true? Why do you think he hasn't been given more opportunities?

Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - he does train hard and works very hard, but it is felt he lacks the ability to make a difference. I think, personally, he is like Kuyt, not the best in terms of quality, but you need a player like him to put the opposition under pressure with their sheer work rate. Especially as we lack real energy and work rate in midfield, other than Hendo, we could do with him buzzing around making the opposition hurry their play.

For me though, the lad's best position is as a penalty box predator. He has good movement and can finish. The problem is that, for us, he would be best used as a wide forward to put pressure on the opposition higher up the pitch. While he is excellent off the ball, in terms of his movement and pressing, on the ball he is not quite good enough. His touch is not the best, he lacks real pace, he is not good in the air and is a bit lightweight.

I would say he is a squad player, but a very good one. Not good enough to be first choice, but he will always give his all and so he can be trusted to come off the bench or start when injuries hit.}

He`s a good player in the squad because his energy and work rate is vital in certain games.

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Thanks Ed.

Yeah i keep comparing him to Kuyt when discussing him with others, i hope he gets a few more games and kicks on but I've always wanted hard working players to do well.

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02 Dec 2014 16:21:27
Hey lfc fans

I know liverpool have many positions that need quality especially at the back. Actually everywhere but to the eds and other fans.

Would u call up Chelsea an try to loan salah ?

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Wouldnt it be better to loan cech?

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{Ed002's Note - Why would Chelsea want to loan Cech to anyone?}

The barrell of absolutely no chance is being scraped here. Also why would we want Salah on loan? Were are not exactly short of attacking wide players are we.

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Is red lobster a Man U fan ??

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{Ed002's Note - A better question would be why would Salah want to be loaned to Liverpool given what The Nose previously said?}

For the 100th time I'm not a Manchester United fan
I physically play American football in Germany and I remember liverpool growing up as a force in football because my dad supported the team and I am mostly negative about liverpool because regardless of money the club and team has lost it's mental attitude that we can't lose we are a force to be reckoned with!
And mentally mourinho and guardiola seem to be the only ones I can think that could imprint that onto any player if they were the managers of lfc
oK!

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So your definitely not a Manc then. 😜

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You do sound a bit like a manc mate .

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Stop winding the lad up

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02 Dec 2014 19:23:34
I've defo seen you knocking about round Salford 'our kid'

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Defo not a manc. A bitter blue, maybe?

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03 Dec 2014 05:56:44
nah Ed002, i was just answering to the question. no chance in hell for cech, we've known that for sometime. just don't see how loaning salah would help in anyway.

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02 Dec 2014 16:12:02
Persorally I think it would be better if Gerrard did leave in the summer, it's got to happen at some point, let the younder player's come through as his influence on the pitch has certainly wained this lst few seasons, so if Rodgers were to go in the summer if not before then it might be the perfect time to start afresh without Gerrard aswel.

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02 Dec 2014 17:36:43
I love Stevie G I grew up watching him blossom and save us time after time but I think a move would be good for both parties. He gets paid Liberia's sky deficit each week , he is not getting any younger and with him and glen off the wage bill the club will save a lot of money. Also he will flourish in a slower paced league.

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Love the guy but i have to agree.

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02 Dec 2014 15:11:38
Hi Eds. You listed on an earlier reply some of the aims of a director of football. It is a massive job for one person which I expect will need some delegating. So would a DOF use existing staff e.g. King Kenny, etc. or bring in his own support staff. DOF is beyond Brendan's experience and imo he should accept help. It is very sad that the academy that Rafa improved has lost its kudos. I also thought that "a top to bottom" project was started before. The club seems to have lost its way internally. Just hope our players can concentrate on the game and don't listen to politics and gossip. YNWA

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where you have got most of this from. I have explained over and over about the DoF etc. and I am not interested in explaining again. As for the academy, this is the second post this afternoon moaning about it. Given that it was completely reworked with new staff arriving in the summer is disappointing - but typical of the Liverpool supporters I guess. The club makes an effort and within a couple of months the irrational fans are complaining about it.}

There is only 1 and only 1 problem with our academy. The products if it are not given a sniff at the 1st team.

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{Ed002's Note - You are going to need to explain to me how that is a problem with the academy.}

02 Dec 2014 17:56:34
Ed002's Note - I have no idea where you have got most of this from
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Read down the page, do n't blame the original poster . I would've thought the Eds discuss things amongst themselves

As for boswell18 post, he is just highlighting there is nothing wrong with the academy and the problem is that the graduates are not used to by the manager . It thought it was a clear and good post that I fully agree with.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't mix with the other Eds and certainly don't discuss things with them.}

Its not a problem with the academt ed my point was that no matter how good the academy is if the players coming through aren't getting a look at the 1st team. The problem isnthat we don't take the chance to male the most of them

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02 Dec 2014 15:08:45
I literally can't remember the last week I got onto the liverpoolfc site and didn't see something from Rodgers like "Gerrard is jus so gud! HE MY FAV!"

It's kind of annoying; Gerrard is my hero, like many of you, but GEEZ we get it.

I don't see how anyone could've thought that Gerrard and Rodgers had a falling out.

Anyways, does anyone else think that with Lambert getting back to form, he could spark Mario into form if they started together? I've been more impressed with Lambert's vision and control than his goal scoring.

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02 Dec 2014 15:01:46
Hi Ed's ..................

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{Ed002's Note - We are not going to go there. Try and stick to football transfers please.}

Heard loud and clear Ed's 002.

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02 Dec 2014 14:10:33
A number of player contracts expire shortly and there are huge problems with lacking opportunities for younger players (and obvious player 'loans. issues).

We just seem to be flat-footed, lurching from one problem to the next.

Are you able to shed some light as to why this is, please Eds?

I can't fathom why we aren't a far more intelligent strategically minded operation, particularly considering the owners we have.

Thanks for your time.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the question is.}

02 Dec 2014 13:21:07
Afternoon Eds,

Quick Question what's up with Shako? Does BR no longer want him or injuries?

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{Ed002's Note - Kirikou is still recovering from injury but may be available for the weekend. He spent some time back at Clairefontaine and there should be an update on Friday or whenever the news conference is - assuming The Nose can talk about matters surrounding the game rather than about matters that should be kept in house such as Gerrard's contract and recent indiscretions by one of the playing staff.}

02 Dec 2014 10:33:56
Ed003 what happened with your kid and Liverpool ed001 said to ask you

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{Ed001's Note - that wasn't quite what I said mate, I was meaning why he isn't jumping at the opportunity to get his kid straight into the academy.}

Dying sick today ed I probably miss read it i'm not with it today

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, I might not have worded it properly. We have a time limit on the editing to stop us locking up posts for days on end by accident, and sometimes the timer ticking makes you rush replies to get them done before the time runs out.

Just to be sure, I was meaning that our academy is not seen as a good bet for a kid to get into football. Hence why Ed003 hasn't just jumped at the chance to get his son into it when it is a possibility for him.

I wasn't meaning to ask him why he hasn't, just pointing out he is an example of someone who is carefully thinking over something that should be a no brainer, because of the reputation our academy has.}

Haha makes sense now ed good man Thank you

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I know somebody who joined the recruitment team at the academy this season and should we say he wasn't particularly cock-a-hoop about the current system or lack thereof in place! The recruitment drive in the lower ages is not the best apparently and we have been papering over the failings of the academy with purchases of 15-16 year olds from elsewhere. Similar in some respects to united but I believe their setup was hugely criticised by Moyes when he moved from Everton. Similar to what ed001 has been saying regarding restructuring the club from the top I believe similar changes are being implemented into academy recruitment. Well at least some sort of structure being put in place.

Cheers

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I went with my grandson and his mate both aged 6 to academy so they could have a trial match we turned up there was about 80 to 100 kids they split them into seven aside teams several coaches went around with clip boards switching game to game after about twenty minutes they called all the kids in together with parents and grand parents and then said they had had a good look and picked one child . I thought it was pathetic most of the children were stunned and bewildered as were the parents . I am a red but I would not recommend the academy to people to be honest . I just wonder how many potential stars of the future get away and join Everton fc

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02 Dec 2014 09:00:49
Firstly, not Liverpool related but worth a mention, congratulations to Stephanie Roche for being nominated on FIFAs shortlist for goal of the year. It wasn't at the games highest level, e.g. the world cup, but it was still an absolute worldy. Good on her.

That leads me onto a question. What is the best LFC goal that you have seen in person?

A few for me stand out, Suarez's two beauties against Norwich at Anfield. I mean the second in particular was just delicious. I also have a soft spot for Didi Hamman's goal against Pompey years ago. Half volley right into the top corner. I think I am more biased about that because I was sat in the upper Anfield road right behind it.

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Can I just separate Gerrard from everybody else first? I mean seriously:

His screamer past Barthez against United.
His screamer on the half volley against Middlesbrough.
His half volley vs Olympiakos.
His header in the final.
Both of his FA cup final goals vs West Ham.
His curled lob against Marseille.
His piledriver free kick against Newcastle.
That Derby goal where he stuck out his tongue to celebrate.
His curled effort against Burnley after Aquilani slipped over.

I could go on all day tbh so let's just say I'm allowed to exclude him.

I'm going to go for John Flanagans beauty against Tottenham as much for the celebration as the scintillating finish.

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Suarez header against WBA from outside the box was class

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02 Dec 2014 11:08:05
John Barnes slalom-like run through the QPR defnece before slotting the ball in the back of the net was just class!
And a mention to Crouchy's 2 bicycle kicks going in at the Kop. One in Europe and I think one was against Bolton in the league

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Too many to mention really but terry McDermott scored some crackers . against spurs in the 7-0 demolition at anfield. against spurs in the F.A. Cup at there place, against Aberdeen at there place in the European cup. Jimmy case scored some crackers too. in terms of importance you cannot rule out david fairclough. as important, if not more than stven gerrards goals against olympiakos or west ham. the list is endless and in the famous words of that welsh comedian, max boyce, I WAS THERE.

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Fowler's two against Utd away for me. Plus McManaman against Arsenal and one were he ran from his own half. Can't remember the opponent. Oh and Collymore against Shef Wed.

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02 Dec 2014 12:22:21
Saw saurez' two against norwich which are hard to beat, saying that was probably the best game i've seen a player play - that good no one even noticed how bad the rest of the team was.

Besides that Torres' goal against blackburn was special along with his Marseilles goal. Always loved fabio aurelios free kick against chelsea!

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02 Dec 2014 12:38:52
Alonso scored special goals, the one against Luton and the one against Newcastle both from our own half.
Aurelio's free kick against Chelsea in the CL quarter finals (the 4-4) was also special in its simplicity.

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02 Dec 2014 12:54:11
You definitely have to disregard Stevie G as there are so many. and I'm also going to dismiss Suarez v Norwich which was the best performance by a LFC striker I've ever seen. Here are a couple that don't get mentioned enough (in one case at least) - the Gary McAllister freekick against Everton in 2001. absolute beauty, AND, the Neil Mellor goal vs Arsenal in the2004/5 season in the last minute. In all honesty, each one of these goals brings a new goal to mind that has very fond memories so it's almost impossible to pick any number less than double digits. Xabi can lay claim to quite a few as well.

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Suarez against Newcastle, the long pass from Enrique, over Suarez's shoulder, onto his chest then around Krull. Goal 😘

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Are we sure we've seen all these in person, as the OP states?

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Luis Garcia's volley against Juventus for me, taking into account the occasion and that the great Gigi Buffon was in goal and was without doubt the best GK in the world at that time.

Second to that was Steve McManaman's solo goal against Bolton Wonderers in the Coka-Cola Cup Final in Wembley in 95, it was my first trip to Wembley and to a final and the way he glided past player after player was a joy to watch.

Third Luis Suarez delayed volley against Norwich, the fact mid swing he had the presence of mind to hold the swing of his boot just a fraction of a second enough so that the shot wouldn't be blocked was the act of pure genius!

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Bobatron
yes, I have seen all of those goals in person. home and away supporter until recently. now most home and some away.

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Molby's screamer must be on top. Aldridge against Nottingham Forest up there as well.

However I do remember a Southhampton goal against us (early 80's maybe 82) at the Dell, as being the best goal I have seen.

They had players like Channon & Keegan involved in that on. And it had it all. We still won the game though from memory lol

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1981/2 at the dell. we won 3-2 . remember rushie getting one. not sure who got the others.

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02 Dec 2014 04:55:12
ED001 mate, how do you feel about Stevie leaving? I'd be gutted if it does happen, being 21 i've never really seem a Liverpool team without Stevie G in it - but at the same time if he does actually want a pay rise, or even the same wage he's just a tiny bit deluded. He doesn't have too much of an impact on the pitch nowadays, and his wages along with the wages of a few other players (Johnson, Enrique, Allen, Balotelli) could free up some money to help us out with the FFP and maybe give an opportunity to a few youngsters. Knowing Brendan that probably won't happen but we can hope.

That brings me on to my second point, Brendan seems to understand that his neck is on the line, and i think he switched to the high press against Stoke on Saturday in the second half - if he sticks to that he will probably get some very good results, because we have some very very good footballers at our club - but when will it get to the point where FSG will just lose patience with him switching back to his own "philosophy" whenever he gets a bit of breathing space - because its obvious it doesn't work.

And finally ed, do you think we'll ever get to a point where we are considered a city or chelsea for young players? In the last 3 years i can think of only Flanno and Sterling that have come through, and both were given opportunities by the king before Rodgers played them, it gets to the point where it is just ridiculous, and surely FSG must have tapped on to this? If they are the savvy business men everybody makes them out to be surely they would know that one sure fire way of making a profitable football club would be to promote your brightest talents to see if they are actually any decent rather than spending 50m on foreign youngsters who rarely even get an opportunity themselves?

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{Ed001's Note - personally it wouldn't bother me if Stevie went now, I have seen players I rate and respect far more as people, as well as footballers, leave the club. I think it is the right time to move on, and as he wants money, he can head to the MLS or somewhere else for a big pay day. I think it is the right time for him to go, while he can still be remembered for his great play. He will leave behind good memories, and still has the ability to go make some more good memories in a slower paced league.

From what I am told, they are going to do a full review of the operations as a whole, the whole club, then implement some changes. It really depends on what the review recommends, but I can't see any review of the playing side not pointing out the obvious defensive deficiencies. I would expect some coaching changes to be forced on him, even if his job is not on the line, which might force him to walk anyway, due to his pride.

We are already being seen as a club not to send your kids to, just ask Ed003 whose lad was scouted for our academy, what he is thinking regarding it. Unless someone else gets a chance this season, and soon, from the academy itself, it may well be too late.}

Who do you reckon FSG will turn to for advice ed? Who would you want to do the review personally?

Do you reckon there'll be any chance of Stevie Nicol being involved in the review - he seems perfect being a fairly respected manager and well known amongst the yanks as well as being a former liverpool player.

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{Ed001's Note - I would hope they turn to Cruyff, but I expect it to be someone involved in US football, such as Nicol.}

Ed001, i once mentioned gerrard getting away with things outside the club because of who he is. Are you referring to the nightclub incident or or something else and i understand if u can't give details for libel reasons etc.

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{Ed001's Note - it is more than one incident, and he is not the only footballer to get away with things because he is a footballer.}

02 Dec 2014 09:34:15
Hi eds I'm just inquiring as I don't know the what a director of football entails is it a job someone could do on a pat time basis, maybe Hiddink could be an option if Holland pull the trigger or when anchelotti leaves the revolving door of real Madrid maybe go for him, that's the 2best options I can think off and I know eds before you start prob no chance of either.

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{Ed001's Note - not a part time position for us. I see someone who sets out how the club should play, works with the scouting dept to find players that suit the system, looks at which of those players play in the positions we currently require and works to bring in those players. Also they should be in charge of bringing in the coaches to suit the system they set out, liasing with the chosen coaching staff continually to find out what other things they made need to achieve success, such as the training facilities etc and making those things happen. Also they would need to oversee the academy and implement the chosen style on the academy too, plus working to ensure the best structure between the academy and first team to bring through academy players into the first team. They should also look to set up the best possible loan deals for the youth players that need to go out on loan.

I am sure there are other things I am missing, but that is just off the top of my head a quick sketch of the main responsibilities as I see them.}

02 Dec 2014 10:30:48
Definitely not a part time job ed but if you got the right 1 it sounds really organised.

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Ed001, Edd002 stated he thinks gerrard may ask for the same/increase in wage. I find this wrong however I believe he may well get it. He knows he's well past his days.and has been really poor for a good length of time now. Do you think mate he's asking or will ask for unjustifiable wages because he knows his power within the.club will get him a last big pay day?
IMO a contract is offered on abilty, performances and.looking to the future and he shouldn't have been offered an extension. A thank you and a roll within the club would have been fair. He would have got more respect by fans who are aware he hinders us now.

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{Ed001's Note - I believe he is asking for the same, though whether that is just a negotiating tactic or not, only he and his agent will know for sure. I certainly hope he is not being greedy and understands that he can't rely on past glories to secure present wage demands.}

The other thing to take into consideration is that we have been told often enough these days that football is now big business. So i guess it doesn't surprise me that footballers will try to get the most they can irrespective of age or ability. Its only to be expected.

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I think a lot of the time agents heavily influence matters too and will try and get as much money as possible for the players so their slice of the pie is bigger!

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02 Dec 2014 02:54:00
Bob
A bunch of lies eh?
He has spent 160 million pounds in transfer fees in his whole tenure take out the average and compare it with any top team's in the whole of Europe.
In the meantime he has won 2 Bundesliga 2 Super Cups 1 dfb pokal and led the team to a ucl final humbling madrid's galacticos on the way .
And somebody mentioned bayern were bad then? Hillarious
how do you think they reached the final of the ucl in 2009/2010 (Borussia won the Bundesliga next year) and in 2011/2012 ( Borussia won it again that year)

Everybody is on how he can't cope with the loss of lwwandowski
you all forget that he has had ti deal with long injuries to hummels and gundogan plus his best player reus retuning from a severe injury. And also two seasons ago he very wel managed to cope with the loss of Nuri Sahin arguably one of the best midfielders in the world at that time

I wonder what is ed001's stance on this.
p.s eds sorry for starting a new thread but I wanted all klopp haters to see this

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{Ed001's Note - I give up mate, some people are deluded trying to compare Rodgers with Klopp is just stupidity. Klopp is a proven coach, Rodgers is not.}

I have just posted the same thing down below guys. Only an immorally bankrupt or intellectually dishonest mind will dare compare a proven entity like Klopp to an unproven, big-headed and stubborn coach like BR. They are trying to make a case for why Klopp shouldn`t come in if we go for him (frankly I don`t know if he is the right man) BUT they lack the intelligence and arguments to pull it off so, they point at his troubles this season to prove their pointless theories.

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02 Dec 2014 05:07:48
One more point if Rodgers and Klopp both were to be sacked today
which clubs fo you think both will get?

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{Ed001's Note - Klopp would have the likes of Arsenal, maybe even Man City (depending on Pellegrini's situation) and a number of other top end clubs, desperate for him to take over. Rodgers, well I am not sure what would happen to him. He needs to prove himself all over again now, following the start he has made this season.}

02 Dec 2014 05:23:28
Ed001

Maybe a poll of the day on this topic

"Will you want to see Jurgen Klopp as Liverpool manager"?

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{Ed001's Note - added to the list.}

Well said Ed001. Klopp and Brendan will both be looking for new jobs this summer. let's see how many top clubs come in for them. I can assure u that Klopp will have (as i have repeatedly stated) Arsenal, Man City even Real if Ancelotti looking to rope him in. On the other hand will end up at a mid table club because the big clubs want a proven manager, Brendan has done nothing to warrant such a move and his record in the transfer market will scare away any club with a decent pot of money to spend.

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Everyone having a go at rogers but it was FSG who hired him so who is to blame for our slump ? was rogers not FSG first choice ? If so then why did they go for second best why didn't they not go all out for their first choice what ever it took ?

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{Ed001's Note - because their first choice was to get Cruyff in as DoF, and he refused to consider any offer.}

01 Dec 2014 23:59:56
How is Yesil doing? can anyone tell me?since LFCTV has sold out to Sky i haven't seen any of the youth or Academy games, so any report on our fabulous younger players would be well appreciated.

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