Liverpool Banter Archive December 02 2010

 

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02 Dec 2010 23:49:20
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Ed i agree with you and our point about carlton cole but who would you like to see us sign along with honda and who do you think we will sign ? {ed's note - I really don't know who we will sign, it is really frustrating but I can't find out anything even close to concrete right now. I would like Fernando Llorente and Alexis Sanchez if I was choosing though.}

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02 Dec 2010 23:37:01
I have watched and supported the reds for 47 years now, until illness got the better of me!and i have seen many managers rise and fall by the way side, the worst until now being souness, but for the life of me hodgson puts the icing on the cake.all this play to not lose garbage, where is the fight to the end, win at any cost, hungry attacking football, that used to have our opponents so scared to face us, they thought they would lose before they set foot on the pitch?
can no one else see that hodgson will be the end for us if he is allowed to carry on like he is much longer, he hasn't a clue about the liverpool way, and never will have! he only knows hodgsons way!

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02 Dec 2010 23:34:43
Did anyone notice that in the report about tonight's match every player was referred to by just the surname (i.e. reina, pacheco, etc) but Cole was referred to as J.Cole. I know it's a very cold winter but are we expecting another 'Cole' - man before soon. If so let's hope he make lots of regular deliveries!
Mal 44

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02 Dec 2010 23:26:17
Ed take your head out of your ass. Pacheco aint going to make it at liverpool. Its simple, he aint good enough. He has been around long enough now to make an impression. Forget him, wont be there next season {ed's note - nothing to do with not being good enough, he showed in the Euro's he is good enough. You really don't understand if you think he has had a chance to make an impression, but then judging by the way you started your post, you clearly don't have the intelligence to do more than bandy insults around.}

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02 Dec 2010 23:20:23
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Does anyone care to explain why they disagree with the comments I just made? ?
Ed, ur thoughts if possible?!?!

Tomlfc85 {ed's note - it was an extremely disappointing performance, typical of Roy's teams away from home. Shame, I was hoping he might have learnt something from the Spurs match.}

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02 Dec 2010 23:06:00
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Basically I've decided to try to sum up woys negativitiy. Don't care if it was a second string side, its the tactics he employs and the way he sets any group of players up, whether its torres and stevie, or babel and shelvey.
Considering we looked OK in first half these stats for me are ridiculous against a team that are 7th in the romanian league!

Shots on Target
Steau 4 Liverpool 1

Shots off Target
Steau 12 Liverpool 4

Blocked Shots
Steau 4 Liverpool 0

Corners
Steau 10 Liverpool 4

Passing Success
Steau 85.2 Liverpool 75.2

Possession
Steau 64.6 Liverpool 35.4

Territorial Advantage
Steau 52.9 Liverpool 47.1

So basically , Steau had 20 shots overall to our measly 5! Shocking in a game that had 95mins overall in my opinion. That's an attempt towards goal, no matter how poor, whether its into the keepers hands, wide, blocked, into row z, or even if it were to go out for a thrown in for gods sake, every 19minutes. . Not good enough!

Tomlfc85

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02 Dec 2010 22:29:39
Roy claims his delight at tonights performance from his team - ssn

Roy has once again proved how much he is out of his depth. . any other manager would be angry at the team to say the least!

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02 Dec 2010 22:23:30
Hi ed do u think stephen warnock would be a good buy for us i think hes become a very good left back and can get up and down the wing very well plus he can cross the ball well! I know we are lookin for young players but he would play for the shirt and has lots of prem experiance!

seandaleer {ed's note - I don't think we should have let him go, but I am not sure it would be a good move to bring him back. He has been poor this season, though that could be just a World Cup hangover, it just reminds me of Stan. He was a mistake to sell but an even bigger mistake to bring back from Villa.}

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02 Dec 2010 22:20:58
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I think liverpool should buy Guillaume Hoarau. what do think ed {ed's note - he did play well earlier, but that is the first time I have really seen him and Sevilla are not the best away from home this season.}

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02 Dec 2010 22:13:08
Jealousy is such an ugly word. Since the only thing you disagree on is Pacheco, maybe you should pull yours out of mine. Cassano (The word is regularly used by Italian journalists as a euphemism for any behavior incompatible with team spirit in football) is not a player I would welcome.

MUSHROOM

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Well I think most of what we agree on is pretty much the status quo. Its just that often after many comments of ed's, theres a little Mushroom in the corner squeaking 'I agree, I agree'.

And what do mushrooms grow best on. Shi@e. ;)

daveevad

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02 Dec 2010 22:06:59
Ed I understand what you were saying about Pacheco needing a run of games to really develop but how was he ever going to have a decent game tonight. Just look at the rest of our front four tonight. Not one of those players has started a match in more than a month now. I am all for blooding in youngsters, but there is a right way to do it and a wrong way which is what Roy did tonight. He did not even give them a chance. You can only put in three or four players who have not been playing regularly to expect the rest to get into the team and start palying. Otherwise there is a complete disconnect (ie this evening's match). I would have set up the team like this:
GK: Reina (C)
RB: Johnson - know you're not his biggest fan but he has been playing well of late and needs more match time + he is a regular member of the first XI
CB: Kelly - has been solid + better partner for Wilson than old man Greek
CB: Wilson - first of my blood-ins
LB: Aurelio - like Johnson, provides stability to squad
RM: Joe Cole - not big supporter but he is Roy's big signing so he plays
CM: Lucas - here is the key, Lucas is young enough and fit enough to play in midweek, consistency in team
CM: Shelvey - would be better alongside Lucas
LM: Jovanavic - I like him a lot every time I see him play, needs a game
Cf: Pacheco - so much better in the center, natural position, would not be stranded with Shelvey, Lucas pushing up to support
St: Ngog - why choose Babel? he is not ever going to be a first team player at L'pool. Ngog is younger and has been playing regularly.

I know those are not that many changes but I feel that with regular first team players in the side there would not have been as much of a disconnect and players like Pacheco would have had a better chance.
What do you think?
Anfield Rapstar {ed's note - I fully agree with you mate, there is no need for all those changes, was nothing learnt from the Northampton game or from seeing West Ham give United a hiding? The players should be perfectly capable of playing midweek games as well as at weekends. Just give a couple of them a break each time and it allows the rest to build up an understanding, while giving the kids a chance to join a settled side.}

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02 Dec 2010 22:04:31
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I know cole just came back from injury but he, s looking like a waste of £, s for LFC. potential yes but too much injury prone and NOT enough better performances.

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02 Dec 2010 21:56:52
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@02 Dec 2010 21:31:04 Liverpool Rumours ""Would NESV back us for any player we wanted?""

NESV are still 'settling in' and organising the hierarchy the way they want. Once they get settled-in and become more pro-active then their usual methid will become apparent. As a rule they tend to go for potential quality that is still up-coming. Use it. Then either at or very shortly after it's peak value cash it in.

Now that may sound heartless but they are a corporation of highly succesful business men and there is no room in business for emotion - just hard-headed profit motive.

NESV - no matter what you may wish - once they have their feet under the table will expect everything to generate not just an income stream but a net profit and they won't think twice about getting rid of what doesn't. They haven't bought Liverpool as a rich man's toy or hobby, they've bought it to make money and once they are sorted that is exactly what they will set out to do. For every investment they will expect a bigger return.

Rich people don't get rich by being nice.

RED LENIN

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02 Dec 2010 21:55:29
Mushroom, mushroom, mushroom. Does the nickname come from the shape of your head after you pull it out of ed's ass.
Maybe im wrong, but I don't think Pacheco can cut it. Same with Babel. Hes a perenial disappointment. Agree with you about Kuyt. Hes a mess. Lucas is starting to prove himself. Turning into a very good player. One player I'd love to see coming- Cassano.

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Jealousy is such an ugly word. Since the only thing you disagree on is Pacheco, maybe you should pull yours out of mine. Cassano (The word is regularly used by Italian journalists as a euphemism for any behavior incompatible with team spirit in football) is not a player I would welcome.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 21:54:05
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Insua is on loan and so is that young keeper chamberlin

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02 Dec 2010 21:50:50
Aqua, degen, el zhar, gulacsi (spelling), palsson are all out on loan ed.

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02 Dec 2010 21:49:26
"In response i do think they would buy most players that we were looking for for the simple reason they said they are going to bring back the glory days, however i think they know real Liverpool fans would not be happy in buying the Primiership as Chelsea and Utd have done(the later a bit more under radar, a lot of 20-30 mil signning throughout the decade)they want young players that will have value incase selling them on. When you think about it at the moment we need about four 20 mill quality player which equals to 80 mill. we sell on 5-6 deadwood fringe players for about for about 15-25 mill(pending on who) so that is about 55 mill they owners will have to fork out max from which when you think about it works out at about just over 3 mill each(if they do it that way, but doubt it more than likely by shares, but with so many involved wouldn't cost as much as 1 guy and wouldn't be that much of a risk)what do you think Eds. "


People still confusing the wealth of the individual share holders of NESV and NESV, the individuals involved will not dig into their pocket to buy or contribute to buy player/ s . In the same token NESV as a company will not take money away from its american businesses (eg red sox) and put it into Liverpool . They would expect the club to fund itself even if it means taking a loan to purchase players or develop the stadium etc.
Roy

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02 Dec 2010 21:48:55
Ed, how are all the loanees doing so far? {ed's note - Ayala has been doing well mate, the two playing under Paul Ince I haven't had a chance to check out and I haven't heard anything from there about them. I am not sure if that is a good or bad thing though! I can't think off the top of my head who else has gone out on loan, I sit and read through so many transfer listings etc that sometimes they seem to merge into one. Can anyone remind me who else is out on loan please?}
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Well there are the three you mentioned and these:
Insua @ Gala
Degen @ Stuttgart
El Zhar @ PAOK
Aquilani @ Juve
Gulacsi @ Tranmere
Palsson @ Dag & Red

I think that's it ed.
Anfield Rapstar {ed's note - cheers mate, I knew there were a lot more but I just couldn't think of them. Aqualani I think we all know about anyway, no point mentioning that he is playing well! Tranmere seem to be happy with Gulacsi, but he is only there to cover injuries so it is difficult for him to really impress. Palsson has only played 3 times, still early days for him. I don't think it is even worth worrying about El Zhar and Degen, neither are likely to ever play for us again but I will try and find out anyway. Not sure about Insua, haven't heard anything about how he is getting on sorry.}

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02 Dec 2010 21:48:53
{ed's note - does Cole count as a player?}

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He's sometimes on the pitch, I think.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 21:43:51
Rep of irl i should say.
LfordRed

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02 Dec 2010 21:42:23
I think jovanovic should be given a shot up front. admittedly he doesn't work as hard as n'gog but he offers something n'gog doesnt, that is that he has a strikers instincted and is a far better finisher imo. you agree with this ed. {ed's note - do you not think Kelly has done enough to deserve the right back slot? Then move Johnson up to the right wing and Kuyt can play up front.}

yes i do but i was being realistic. i don't think roy will play johnson in rm and kelly rb. i was trying to think of things roy might do.

i put kuyt even though i think he is the most overrated player ive ever seen. like you said ed his second touch is normally a tackle. sure he works hard but what ever does he offer.

and cole was awful {ed's note - I have never rated Cole, I was disappointed he chose to join us but I do keep hoping he will prove me wrong!}

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02 Dec 2010 21:42:14
Sorry but if you think the media or maybe the actions of some thoughtless brummies stopped us getting the world cup you are naive.we were never going to get it no matter how good a case was put forward for us and how bad a case was against the others.Fifa is and eufa are ran by undesirables who have little intrest in football other than it helps feathers their stinking nests.although this is only my oppinion it also seems to be common knowledge.changes need to be made to these organisations to iron out any possible corruption and make things a lot fairer.if panarama got it so wrong why arent the law suits lining up?

like france v ireland.
LfordRed

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02 Dec 2010 21:40:26
Ed against the world.
I'm with you ed, Kuyt's got the touch of a rapist. His work ethic is fantastic, but that's it. Play Pacheco in his natural position and the lad will shine.

MUSHROOM


Mushroom, mushroom, mushroom. Does the nickname come from the shape of your head after you pull it out of ed's ass.
Maybe im wrong, but I don't think Pacheco can cut it. Same with Babel. Hes a perenial disappointment. Agree with you about Kuyt. Hes a mess. Lucas is starting to prove himself. Turning into a very good player. One player I'd love to see coming- Cassano.

Daveevad {ed's note - Pacheco needs a run of games, Rush was terrible and lightweight when he first played. I am not saying Pacheco is Rush, but he has got a good chance of making it if he is given the chance to play regularly. The lads playing for Villa are showing how a run of games makes a huge difference to a youngster. As is Lucas!}

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02 Dec 2010 21:35:48
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@ 02 Dec 2010 21:12:35 "Well all, what about our saviour Pacheco. .Macca"

I have to say I was disappointed. He was largely anonymous especially in the second half. But on the plus side he didn't do much wrong either and most of his passes got to a team mate. And again to be fair it wasn't that impressive a performance (and he was better than Cole)

RED LENIN

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02 Dec 2010 21:31:10
Ed, how are all the loanees doing so far ? {ed's note - Ayala has been doing well mate, the two playing under Paul Ince I haven't had a chance to check out and I haven't heard anything from there about them. I am not sure if that is a good or bad thing though! I can't think off the top of my head who else has gone out on loan, I sit and read through so many transfer listings etc that sometimes they seem to merge into one. Can anyone remind me who else is out on loan please?}

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02 Dec 2010 21:31:04
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Would NESV back us for any player we wanted?

In response i do think they would buy most players that we were looking for for the simple reason they said they are going to bring back the glory days, however i think they know real Liverpool fans would not be happy in buying the Primiership as Chelsea and Utd have done(the later a bit more under radar, a lot of 20-30 mil signning throughout the decade)they want young players that will have value incase selling them on. When you think about it at the moment we need about four 20 mill quality player which equals to 80 mill. we sell on 5-6 deadwood fringe players for about for about 15-25 mill(pending on who) so that is about 55 mill they owners will have to fork out max from which when you think about it works out at about just over 3 mill each(if they do it that way, but doubt it more than likely by shares, but with so many involved wouldn't cost as much as 1 guy and wouldn't be that much of a risk)what do you think Eds. {ed's note - it depends mate, the right manager is probably the biggest piece to the puzzle for winning the league. Rafa, for example, never prioritised the league and it cost us year on year. If the right man is in charge he will get more out of the players and not so much needs to be spent.}

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02 Dec 2010 21:26:36
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Ed do you think we should try this for villa

renia
johnson soto wilson auerlio
kuyt lucas meireles maxi
torres jovanovic

i think jovanovic should be given a shot up front. admittedly he doesn't work as hard as n'gog but he offers something n'gog doesnt, that is that he has a strikers instincted and is a far better finisher imo. you agree with this ed. {ed's note - do you not think Kelly has done enough to deserve the right back slot? Then move Johnson up to the right wing and Kuyt can play up front.}

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02 Dec 2010 21:21:55
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Yesterday i heard that we were going to pull together a bid for Keisuke Honda and today i find out it is only in early stages WTF is roy thinking does he not know how ggood Honda is i mean did he not see him at the world cup he was frakin awesome and if we don't get him in Jan and some other team does don't be shocked if the fans and NESV turn on him permanently and some one is brought in (hopefully King Kenny).

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02 Dec 2010 21:15:38
{ed's note - it is his way when it comes to away games, he always does that, that is why he has such a poor away record throughout his career.}
I just really cannot comprehend it. surely with his years of managerial experience (longer than i've been alive) he should try and get at the opposition for once. SURELY he must know his terrible record and realise he's gotta change something.

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02 Dec 2010 21:12:35
Well all, what about our saviour Pacheco. .

Macca

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02 Dec 2010 21:11:05
Ed, what players do you expect/ want to leave in jan {ed's note - I don't expect much movement out, maybe Babel but not much else. As for want, I would like to see the back of Konchesky, Babel, Kyrgiakos, Poulsen and Spearing.}

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I'd add Kuyt and Jova to that list Ed. Maybe even Cole unless he starts to do somethng.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - does Cole count as a player?}

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02 Dec 2010 21:07:44
Why is roy sending out a team to defend against an average side from romania? i just don't understand, surely they should be fearing us not the other way round? i'd appreciate a full on defensive performance if we were playing madrid or barca but not Steaua Bucharest. and people please don't judge pacheco and wilson on tonight's performance, they've got more to come. pacheco was played out of position as well. eD? {ed's note - it is his way when it comes to away games, he always does that, that is why he has such a poor away record throughout his career.}

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02 Dec 2010 21:05:08
Andy Carroll 15mil is the latest rumour I've heard

Bargain if you ask me, yes ok he ight be a bit of a prick but so has, terry lampard gerrard giggs rooney ferdinand jesus the list goes on, hes young english, tall strong as an ox scores a s* tload of goals hes a proper old school type english centre forward we need him and we need him now, just make he little tosser cut his hair first

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Come on calling Jesus a prick is a bit harsh. As for Carroll I hope he stays put. Can't score goals from behind bars (double meaning).

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 21:02:10
Ed, firstly let me say how much I love this site. Your insights are often on the ball, seem to come from very good sources, and you seem to know alot about Liverpool, and football in general. However tonight, I think you are way off the mark. This guy didn't say Pacheco was a winger, he said that he should be able to go around players on the wing. (which even the terrible Dirk Kyut is able to do). I don't see why you rate this player so highly. If he was any good, he would be playing in the first team regulary, or playing somewhere else. Simple as that.

And if my previous prediction about Roy does not evolve, then of course I will apologise. However, if it does, I will expect the same in return. Again, great website {ed's note - how can you say that when Poulsen plays regularly? Does that mean Poulsen must be a great player? Kuyt does nothing on the wing but give the ball away, I don't know why everyone is saying Pacheco should learn from him! If that is who we set out youngsters to look up to we will end up relegated.}

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Ed against the world.
I'm with you ed, Kuyt's got the touch of a rapist. His work ethic is fantastic, but that's it. Play Pacheco in his natural position and the lad will shine.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 21:01:23
Plz dnt say where going to buy c cole wots the score ed any news {ed's note - I don't believe we are going to buy him mate.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:58:22
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Ed, what players do you expect/ want to leave in jan {ed's note - I don't expect much movement out, maybe Babel but not much else. As for want, I would like to see the back of Konchesky, Babel, Kyrgiakos, Poulsen and Spearing.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:57:47
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Andy Carroll 15mil is the latest rumour I've heard

Bargain if you ask me, yes ok he ight be a bit of a prick but so has, terry lampard gerrard giggs rooney ferdinand jesus the list goes on, hes young english, tall strong as an ox scores a s* tload of goals hes a proper old school type english centre forward we need him and we need him now, just make he little tosser cut his hair first

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02 Dec 2010 20:57:04
Okay we got the result we wanted (to get through) but I expect as a Liverpool fan to try to win every game. Play good football and for the players to have fun. I understand if we defend for the last 15 min of a match if the job is gone. We derserved to lose. Don't deny it ppl. Youngsters or not but we should be more more attacking then this. I am sick thinking ppl are happy with this. Please Roy just go. Just go.

Oh and poulson, please f*ck of u useless t* t

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02 Dec 2010 20:55:12
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England came 4th out of 4 in the first round, and got knocked out in that round of voting. That just shows, no matter how good our presentation was we wouldn't get it, because panorama attacked fifa members, without any new data.
Panorama simply stirred up old information, and fifa has categorically blocked our World Cup bid because of it.
The media of England has to stop. They destroyed morale in the England team before this world cup and have now affected us holding a world cup for the next 12 years.
I now this isn't Liverpool based as such, but it would have brought in extra revenue to our new ground and merchandised the club further.
What are your thoughts ed?


sorry but if you think the media or maybe the actions of some thoughtless brummies stopped us getting the world cup you are naive.we were never going to get it no matter how good a case was put forward for us and how bad a case was against the others.Fifa is and eufa are ran by undesirables who have little intrest in football other than it helps feathers their stinking nests.although this is only my oppinion it also seems to be common knowledge.changes need to be made to these organisations to iron out any possible corruption and make things a lot fairer.if panarama got it so wrong why arent the law suits lining up?

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02 Dec 2010 20:50:14
Pacheco was well out of his depth tonight, no way near ready for the PL yet. Now I know why Roy hasn't picked him.
And Ed you seem to think it was because the team was playing defensively? ; any PL attacker should be able to pass a ball inside or get past 1 man at the start of a break (especially if you are on the wing) without getting swept aside like a leaf. {ed's note - if you are a winger, but in case you haven't noticed Pacheco is not a winger. For second any PL team should have players moving and giving the man on the ball an option to pass to, we never. So, yes he had a poor game, but not one he can be judged on.}

Ed, firstly let me say how much I love this site. Your insights are often on the ball, seem to come from very good sources, and you seem to know alot about Liverpool, and football in general. However tonight, I think you are way off the mark. This guy didn't say Pacheco was a winger, he said that he should be able to go around players on the wing. (which even the terrible Dirk Kyut is able to do). I don't see why you rate this player so highly. If he was any good, he would be playing in the first team regulary, or playing somewhere else. Simple as that.

And if my previous prediction about Roy does not evolve, then of course I will apologise. However, if it does, I will expect the same in return. Again, great website {ed's note - how can you say that when Poulsen plays regularly? Does that mean Poulsen must be a great player? Kuyt does nothing on the wing but give the ball away, I don't know why everyone is saying Pacheco should learn from him! If that is who we set out youngsters to look up to we will end up relegated.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:48:51
Whats with the hoof up to babel who was surrounded by 3 players up top on his own. . what a bore its getting worse. arsenal bring in young players but play football why can't we.
if we wait till the end of the season to get rid of roy it will be to late. . most of us will be in a asylum

its dire football week in week out
ynwa

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02 Dec 2010 20:44:36
Pacheco was well out of his depth tonight, no way near ready for the PL yet. Now I know why Roy hasn't picked him.
And Ed you seem to think it was because the team was playing defensively? ; any PL attacker should be able to pass a ball inside or get past 1 man at the start of a break (especially if you are on the wing) without getting swept aside like a leaf.

{ed's note - if you are a winger, but in case you haven't noticed Pacheco is not a winger. For second any PL team should have players moving and giving the man on the ball an option to pass to, we never. So, yes he had a poor game, but not one he can be judged on.}


Kuyt isn't a natural winger - he plays on the right but if you watch him on the break (after having to play defensively) he never loses the ball or gets pushed off it, he always manages to make a pass - whether it be long ball or a short inside pass. if RH wants Pacheco to play wide right he needs to learn off Kuyt and also bulk up. {ed's note - Kuyt gives the ball away constantly! His second touch is a tackle ffs. No wonder we never get any kids coming through - the likes of Rush wouldn't have stood a chance nowadays!}

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02 Dec 2010 20:44:14
He's been with us for almost 4yrs and we are still waiting for the enigmatic Mr.Babel to burst onto the scene.

2 managers down the line, both not impressed by what they have seen and no longer a potential star in the making!

Even the mighty West Ham turned him down on deadline day!

And yet people on here keep thinking that Babel can do no wrong, you are deluded the lot of you,

Babel is Bollox and always will be I would sooner av Torben Picknic than that lazy bad attitude clogg dancing TURD!

RedAk1

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02 Dec 2010 20:36:06
{ed's note - and how do you work out that being closer makes it any more dangerous? After all they don't have a history of suffering from terrorism. You clearly don't understand what you are talking about in anyway shape or form. Your knowledge of the Middle East no doubt comes from tabloid newspapers and television screens, because you have no idea of the situation out there. I bet you think everyone out there hates the West?}

just because qatar hasnt suffered by terrorists, that jus means they have no reason to attack qatar, but when the world cup goes there the whole world will be there it is so close to terorists that they will find it so easy to attack, , and it will be a huge reason to begin attacks on qatar now {ed's note - no it doesn't at all, no more than it would anywhere else in the world.}

actually i think even fifa had major worries over security issues but decided to go against this for whatever reason.(money?) {ed's note - you think wrong, that was Russia and Spain/Portugal that had the major security fears. The ones that were claiming security fears were the press - they were even using terrorist attacks in Uganda as evidence that it would be dangerous in Qatar, this despite Uganda being in Africa!}

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02 Dec 2010 20:34:43
Pacheco was well out of his depth tonight, no way near ready for the PL yet. Now I know why Roy hasn't picked him.
And Ed you seem to think it was because the team was playing defensively?? ; any PL attacker should be able to pass a ball inside or get past 1 man at the start of a break (especially if you are on the wing) without getting swept aside like a leaf. {ed's note - if you are a winger, but in case you haven't noticed Pacheco is not a winger. For second any PL team should have players moving and giving the man on the ball an option to pass to, we never. So, yes he had a poor game, but not one he can be judged on.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:33:32
Ed's note - the instruction, as always with Roy away from home, was to defend. The only reason I am pissing against the wind is because you are too hard-headed to understand that.}
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Enjoyed the discussion buddy, opinions are great!Decent point with what we had out and takes us through.Oh ye let the wind die down a bit first. ;-)

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02 Dec 2010 20:33:24
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It was all going so well mate except the last one. i quarentee that kuyt won't leave. no matter what anyone says hes still one of our star players.

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Star players can control and pass a football. Kuyt makes everything look difficult. If he is one of our star players then we really are in trouble and must be about mid table now.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 20:31:14
Starting to get annoyed at people giving out about Roy. When he came, everybody on this site was saying he was the man for the job. Suddenly after a shakey start, everybody wants him out, and everybody conveniently claims that they lectured this last August, which is Bulls@@t. We are still in contention for a top four finish, looking very good in the Europa cup, and mark my words, will beat united in the FA cup.

As for negative tactics tonight, how many people actually watched the game. They were up against a good team, who have only been beaten at home once this season, they only needed a point to qualify, and we went there with a very adventurous team that basicically gave all the youngsters on the fringes a chance to prove themselves.

For all those people who chant and Dani P should be starting every game, how did that turn out tonight.

P.S. Meireles, what a signing. Future hall of fame-er i think.
Lets see how everybody on this site claims that they were fully behind Roy all season, when we finish in the top four, win the Europa cup, and sign some quality players during the summer.
Neck on some people, i swear to God.
I know that everybody will disagree with this, but im gonna save it, and re-post this next summer.

Daveevad {ed's note - and apologise when you were wrong?}

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02 Dec 2010 20:29:55
Igor biscan playing on itv4 for zagreb

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02 Dec 2010 20:29:08
Exactly im glad you agree with me, Pacheco had no spring and didn't move foreward. ;-) Jovanovic got foreward at times, Pacheco nowhere near ready for premiership football.We had enough attacking players out there to counter attack. Babel, Cole, Jovanovic, Pacheco unfortuanatley Shlvey couldnt as he had to cover the sad and slow looking Poulsen. {ed's note - you still don't understand that the players were following instructions then?}

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MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 20:27:33
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Your piss1ng against the wind tonight ed, im sure the instruction was to counter attack and Pacheco wasnt/ isn't up to the job. . yet {ed's note - the instruction, as always with Roy away from home, was to defend. The only reason I am pissing against the wind is because you are too hard-headed to understand that.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:27:07
As a fan, I'd be happy if we didn't play like Barcelona every week, unless we played well and won matches. Obviously, if we did it like Barcelona it would be a bonus though.

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Barcelona prove that being entertaining, as in playing football the way it should be, can lead to winning. Pass and move, anyone that's played football should of heard those words.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 20:24:16
Shutup all of you what did roy do wrong attacking substitutions told them to get forward the key aim was to qualify. Away in romania might i add most of the players had really poor games although i liked babel tonight thought he showed the talent we all know he has just that only appears once every 8 games or so which is a shame. Well done boys average performance i guarantee with the first team we would have bossed that i thought the youngsters did well. Well done Jova and kelly. On to villa! Its a shame all of you guys can't just get behind the team i'll jump on the " get rid of roy " ship when its called for but not tonight.
YWNA.
Remember what those letters stand for!

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I'm sorry to disagree but Babel was not good. He needs to go for his and our sake. We have not seen the best of Babel and I think he needs to move on to be able to produce it.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 20:21:36
No wonder Liverpool have started adverising on the radio (96.7) to sell their home match tickets. . who the hell wants to watch that load of crap. . this is meant to be entertainment. . i would rather watch "deal or no deal"!
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Football is a sport, not a soap opera. If you want entertainment, watch Eastenders or something. {ed's note - it is meant to be for entertainment, hence why people go along to watch.}
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That's true. But you can look at it from both sides. Athletes would argue that for them, it's about winning and getting results before entertainment. Obviously fans want entertainment.

As a fan, I'd be happy if we didn't play like Barcelona every week, unless we played well and won matches. Obviously, if we did it like Barcelona it would be a bonus though.

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02 Dec 2010 20:20:57
{ed's note - do you understand what a counter attack is? When players spring forward to attack quickly out of defence. How many players were moving forward? How many options did anyone have to pass to? It was the usual problem we have had since Houllier came in - no movement off the ball.}
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Exactly im glad you agree with me, Pacheco had no spring and didn't move foreward. ;-) Jovanovic got foreward at times, Pacheco nowhere near ready for premiership football.We had enough attacking players out there to counter attack. Babel, Cole, Jovanovic, Pacheco unfortuanatley Shlvey couldnt as he had to cover the sad and slow looking Poulsen. {ed's note - you still don't understand that the players were following instructions then?}

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02 Dec 2010 20:18:02
Another fantastic performance from the mighty reds in Europe, it was like watching Brazil.
Fluent attractive easy on the eye jaw dropping pass and move football from the 5 times champions of Europe.

Long live Roy the Red

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02 Dec 2010 20:15:46
Surely the guy standing in reinas eyeline is deemed as active therefore offside?

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The player in Reina's eyeline was being played onside by 2 LFC players . Unfortunate goal for Reina to concede , the second time this season , he will bounce back though , a great professional .

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02 Dec 2010 20:15:11
No wonder Liverpool have started adverising on the radio (96.7) to sell their home match tickets. . who the hell wants to watch that load of crap. . this is meant to be entertainment. . i would rather watch "deal or no deal"!
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Football is a sport, not a soap opera. If you want entertainment, watch Eastenders or something. {ed's note - it is meant to be for entertainment, hence why people go along to watch.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:13:52
Not on tonight's evidence. {ed's note - how can you judge an attacker being forced to play defensively?}

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Ed some people are just too blinkered to listen to reason, they only see what they want to and everyone else is wrong.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 20:13:41
Shutup all of you what did roy do wrong attacking substitutions told them to get forward the key aim was to qualify. Away in romania might i add most of the players had really poor games although i liked babel tonight thought he showed the talent we all know he has just that only appears once every 8 games or so which is a shame. Well done boys average performance i guarantee with the first team we would have bossed that i thought the youngsters did well. Well done Jova and kelly. On to villa! Its a shame all of you guys can't just get behind the team i'll jump on the " get rid of roy " ship when its called for but not tonight.
YWNA.
Remember what those letters stand for!

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02 Dec 2010 20:12:17
How you doing ed not alot to say about the game but the stream i was watching the game on was hilarious! If you get chance watch a game with american comentators i strongly advise it, honestly mate the last time i laughed so much was when i saw Frankie Boyle!

BBB {ed's note - I will have to try that mate, what is so funny then?}

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02 Dec 2010 20:11:04
Radamel Falcoa with a hat-trick for FC Porto tonight , he has an amazing strike rate in Portugal - 54 goals in 64 games and is aged 24 years , I would delight in seeing him join LFC soon - to partner Torres .

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02 Dec 2010 20:10:43
Learn an education? ha HA. Thats ironic, giving the point you were trying to make, which I agree with by the way.

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Sorry I did not proof read as this guy just wound me up with his bigotted opinion. All the heros that died saving our country so pricks like this can have freedom and freedom of speach and this is the s* te that he comes out with. There is no hope for us if this is the youth of today. No wonder we only got 4 votes and went out in the first round.
I'll put my soapbox away now.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 20:10:06
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He was playing there to counter attack and couldnt do it, no threat , no urgency, poor effort. {ed's note - do you understand what a counter attack is? When players spring forward to attack quickly out of defence. How many players were moving forward? How many options did anyone have to pass to? It was the usual problem we have had since Houllier came in - no movement off the ball.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:06:28
Half time team talk: "Ok lads, we are 1-0 and playing reasonably well. I don't want to win by a bigger score line so lets sit back and defend in the second. Well Zamora, oh i mean babel and duff, oh sorry i mean jovanovic your playing well. Next we'll go beat Ultrect back at Craven Cottage, i mean ANFIELD. Sorry I just think i'm still at Fulham!"

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02 Dec 2010 20:06:27
Pacheco hasn't played very well today - seems quite weak wide right - I do think he needs to bulk up a bit then he will match others physically but destroy players tactically. I think his best position would be behind a striker.

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02 Dec 2010 20:05:27
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Can someone ring an ambulance ive just collapsed at seeing poulsen play a forward pass

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02 Dec 2010 20:04:55
Why was joe cole swearing when he was substituted? did he contributed anything? missed a sitter that even ngog would've put in the back of the net. Crap performance throughout, should be dropped. Oh and roy please for the love of God get the f*ck out of here

VM YNWA

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02 Dec 2010 20:04:07
{ed's note - or perhaps you can't see that being big and strong has won absolutely nothing for England in years? It is technique and skill that is the most important thing and Pacheco has those.}
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Not on tonight's evidence. {ed's note - how can you judge an attacker being forced to play defensively?}

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02 Dec 2010 20:03:17
20 mins to go, but regardless of whether we win our not, we need to sack roy, drop joe cole, babel. Do not blame pacheco for his poor performance, it's roy's fault. His passing range isn't like stevie's, not used to hoofing. He is also not a full back not used to defending all day long. Kelly man of the match. Ed do you agree? {ed's note - yes mate, this is a game that only a defender is going to be able to play well in, for us anyway. Pacheco has no hope and Kelly is the MOTM for me too.}
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Total bull sh8t lads. . Pacheco is nowhere near ready can't blame the manager for this.Is it his fault that Reina lets one thru his legs. no, {ed's note - it is his fault that the team is sent out to defend though.}
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You do realise its a youngish team playing away in europe? ?a point takes us through.Pacheco is to week if you can't see that somethings up.Your so obssesed with Hodgson now your opinion is biased {ed's note - or perhaps you can't see that being big and strong has won absolutely nothing for England in years? It is technique and skill that is the most important thing and Pacheco has those.}
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Watching your discussion with interest. In recent weeks on this site Pacheco has been built up and up into something he is not, yet. He is a promising player and may develop into a really good one, or he may not. But lets keep a bit of perspective here. I'm from Ireland and the same thing happened when Andy Reid wasn't playing for the Republic, suddenly he was Maradona even though he couldn't get into the Sunderland 1st team regularly.
Fitzy {ed's note - I agree he is not the finished article, but he needs matches to grow into the side. The ridiculous reasoning about his size and strength is incredibly crass, Rush was half the strength of Pacheco when he first broke into the team.}

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02 Dec 2010 20:01:32
No wonder Liverpool have started adverising on the radio (96.7) to sell their home match tickets. . who the hell wants to watch that load of crap. . this is meant to be entertainment. . i would rather watch "deal or no deal"!

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02 Dec 2010 20:00:56
Agree Kelly did well but for me motm was Jonjo. Broke up a lot of attacks with good interceptions and passing was very good.
Jova took his goal well and always tries but lacks quality.
Poulsen again dissapointing which makes Shelveys performance all the more credible.

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02 Dec 2010 20:00:05
OMG get rid of this useless clown of a manager now!his tactics are unbelievable negative boring - the players looked dispirited by his ways.he is turning skillfull players into robots not allowed to express themselves.DO not allow him to spend a penny NESV.

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02 Dec 2010 19:57:58
You can't judge a player on one game but when you get you chance you should give it everything

Reina average performance poor for the goal
Kelly solid game
Soto Solid game
Wilson shaky
Aurelio played well getting foeward and defendin our best LB
Pacheco quiet
Shelvey best in midfield
Poulsen was he there
JOVO in and out
Cole as previously stated Pants
Babel hes a tryer
Ecclestone sharp
Ngog Never did much
Lucas MOM

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02 Dec 2010 19:57:30
Evening all. Thought I would make a point tonight of watching Poulsen pretty closely. After all the criticism he's had, I thought it only fair to keep an eye out, see what he was up to. He was starting, so thought he would at least put a shift in, given the chance to impress the manager and fans.

I've rarely seen such a lazy player, with a lack of talent. Most of the time he hung around, miles away from the back 4, and miles away from any of their players. When they had posession he made very few attempts to get the ball back, block passes etc. He was actually further forward than most of the midfield when they had possession in our half (thought he was supposed to be the holding midfielder?), and worse he wasn't marking anyone at all. He ran about a bit, but nowhere near the ball, and nowhere near any of their players. OK, he got the odd pass in, but none of them decisive. And when he passed the ball forward did he make any runs on in support? Not a chance. Stood still virtually and let everyone else do the work. Pretty telling that very few players passed the ball to him. Anyone agree? Or am I missing something?

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02 Dec 2010 19:56:21
Mark wright is commentating for tv3e (irish tv) and he just said he would be very surprised if lucas left in the summer as he thinks he's a good player and is improving all the time. He must be on f* king drugs
ngs77

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Being an ex-footballer means he will know what he is talking about, unlike some.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 19:55:54
We play a second string/ youth team away from home and we sure as hell have the beating of them and its absolutly disgusting that we sit back and defend.

I hope in our away Premiership games when we have full strength out, we are more attacking like we were at Spurs. (Which I think we will be).

Also, Babel's performance was absolutly disgraceful. He should be trying to prove himself in these types of games and give the manager something to think about, and he just plays with a lazy, laid back attitude.

Time to sell him. Get in Honda or even sign a good, young hungry player like Griezmann or A.Johnson (if possible).

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02 Dec 2010 19:54:04
A woeful performance. Again.
I live in Australia and have to get up at 2am before a work day to watch that pile of crap.

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02 Dec 2010 19:53:35
Liverpool Rumours
20 mins to go, but regardless of whether we win our not, we need to sack roy, drop joe cole, babel. Do not blame pacheco for his poor performance, it's roy's fault. His passing range isn't like stevie's, not used to hoofing. He is also not a full back not used to defending all day long. Kelly man of the match. Ed do you agree? {ed's note - yes mate, this is a game that only a defender is going to be able to play well in, for us anyway. Pacheco has no hope and Kelly is the MOTM for me too.}
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Total bull sh8t lads. . Pacheco is nowhere near ready can't blame the manager for this.Is it his fault that Reina lets one thru his legs. no, {ed's note - it is his fault that the team is sent out to defend though.}
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You do realise its a youngish team playing away in europe? ?a point takes us through.Pacheco is to week if you can't see that somethings up.Your so obssesed with Hodgson now your opinion is biased {ed's note - or perhaps you can't see that being big and strong has won absolutely nothing for England in years? It is technique and skill that is the most important thing and Pacheco has those.}

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02 Dec 2010 19:52:51
If i were unable to see the teams' names on the top left side of my tv screen i wouldve thought we were playing barcelona. We have a knack of making below average teams look like world beaters. Roy has to do something about our away tactics and soon. Or he should just go. I would prefer the latter.
Red bl00ded!

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02 Dec 2010 19:52:49
Mark wright is commentating for tv3e (irish tv) and he just said he would be very surprised if lucas left in the summer as he thinks he's a good player and is improving all the time. He must be on f* king drugs
ngs77

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02 Dec 2010 19:50:34
One of the earlier posts stated that it was optimistic to predict that Jovanovic would score , we now know Jovanovic scored the first goal , it just goes to show that optimism counts for something . A good goal aswell , well done Jovanovic , Torres partner maybe .

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02 Dec 2010 19:50:12
Is it just me, but was anybody suprised when we conceded. Just said to the moosus 1 min before their goal we were sitting behind the ball and waiting to concede. Our midfielders will have sore necks in the morning, watching the ball fly over their heads.
For such an internationally travelled football manager, Woy is playing some very vulgar route one Jack Charleton stuff. Not good enough for the very dedicated fans who turn up week after week. They deserve better. Goodbye Woy.

Stu the Red.

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02 Dec 2010 19:49:44
Liverpool Rumours
02 Dec 2010 19:44:09
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool still interested in v.wolfswinjkkel

He scored 2 goals tonight , also another player we've been linked to in the past edison cavani has got a hat trick in the same game utrecht 3 - napoli 3

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02 Dec 2010 19:47:26
ha ha commentator just said. .At 13 shots to 5 the romanians have edged their opponents. .no sh1t!

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02 Dec 2010 19:44:59
Liverpool Rumours
2 Dec 2010 19:33:59
Looks like woy will be getting a cb in January, Wilson hasn't done a lot to change his mind

It doesn't help that he is paired with a slow and mistake prone soto

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02 Dec 2010 19:44:30
I agree with not judging on one match but steaua are hardly the greatest team. Just worries me what Wilson would be like facing chelsea, arsenal etc. Maybe just needs a good run in team and get some confidence {ed's note - he also needs time to build a partnership with the man next to him.}

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02 Dec 2010 19:43:00
02 Dec 2010 19:37:35
Liverpool Rumours
20 mins to go, but regardless of whether we win our not, we need to sack roy, drop joe cole, babel. Do not blame pacheco for his poor performance, it's roy's fault. His passing range isn't like stevie's, not used to hoofing. He is also not a full back not used to defending all day long. Kelly man of the match. Ed do you agree? {ed's note - yes mate, this is a game that only a defender is going to be able to play well in, for us anyway. Pacheco has no hope and Kelly is the MOTM for me too.}
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Total bull sh8t lads. . Pacheco is nowhere near ready can't blame the manager for this.Is it his fault that Reina lets one thru his legs. no, {ed's note - it is his fault that the team is sent out to defend though.}

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02 Dec 2010 19:41:58
How deeeeeep?

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02 Dec 2010 19:40:58
Watchin dis sh*t is worse than pullin my own teeth out,

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02 Dec 2010 19:37:35
Liverpool Rumours
20 mins to go, but regardless of whether we win our not, we need to sack roy, drop joe cole, babel. Do not blame pacheco for his poor performance, it's roy's fault. His passing range isn't like stevie's, not used to hoofing. He is also not a full back not used to defending all day long. Kelly man of the match. Ed do you agree? {ed's note - yes mate, this is a game that only a defender is going to be able to play well in, for us anyway. Pacheco has no hope and Kelly is the MOTM for me too.}

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02 Dec 2010 19:36:58
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Its sad watching the destruction of such a young talent (pacheo). Roy your so transparent. Long ball long ball long ball. Just leave you negative t* t!

Muzmacol YNWA

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02 Dec 2010 19:34:29
02 Dec 2010 18:20:43
Ed don't be naive lol bribary al the way for them 2 countrys, , , russia a country that does nothing but hate the world and start wars, , , and no one likes russia, , and qatar a country that has nothing to do with football, , , and is in middle east surrounded by wars and terrorists, , oh and oil billionaires, , , alls i can say guys is in 2018 expect failure, , , and 2022 expect many casualties and suicide bombers on the pitch ha car bombs in the car parks
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You are a complete and utter knob. You have no idea what you are talking about. Go to school and learn an education, because clearly, you are lacking one. Unfortunately medical advancements haven't got to the brain transplants yet. When it does, sell yours as it is clearly unused.

MUSHROOM

Learn an education? ha HA. Thats ironic, giving the point you were trying to make, which I agree with by the way.

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02 Dec 2010 19:33:59
Looks like woy will be getting a cb in January, Wilson hasn't done a lot to change his mind
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Very harsh judging a player based on one game.

If we were going to do that then Pacheco is crap, Shelvey is crap. And we all know they have potential

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02 Dec 2010 19:33:28
Nothing happening in midfield think they should just release poulson in Jan and save on the wages he is s###e

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02 Dec 2010 19:32:39
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I can't be doing with this manager. Why so negative? Defending 1-0 leads invites trouble.

Get rid of this fella I can't be doin with this s* t.

Spriggo

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02 Dec 2010 19:31:22
I would take 1-1 from this moment in time i will be honnest. secure qualification tonight please lads
come on liverpool
YNWA

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02 Dec 2010 19:30:06
In my opinion Roy needs to take Pacheco off now, switch Babel to the right and bring on Ngog up front to try and hold the ball better up field. .just coming back at us wave after wave in this second half.

kez

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02 Dec 2010 19:28:43
Looks like woy will be getting a cb in January, Wilson hasn't done a lot to change his mind

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02 Dec 2010 19:27:36
QATAR - 32 TEAMS AND THEIR THOUSANDS OF FANS GOING TO A COUNTRY THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM? RIDICULOUS.
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Birmingham - 103.4 square miles
Qatar - 4, 416 square miles.

Population is totally different to the actual size of the area. Birmingham can accomodate atleast two big football clubs (A.Villa and Birmingham), so I'm sure a country over 40 times bigger than Birmingham can accomodate 32 teams (even 32 clubs).

Research next time son.

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02 Dec 2010 19:25:50
Ed,

yeah I agree about commolli with the transfers. I think coyle could have us playing nice attractive football with 4-4-2 which is all I wanna see. Im sick 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 does my head in.

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02 Dec 2010 19:22:43
Surely the guy standing in reinas eyeline is deemed as active therefore offside?

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02 Dec 2010 19:18:13
Pacheco struggling to make an impact at the moment, way off prem league on this performance.

Well he hasn't benefited from roy's negative tactics. Only kelly has, he has been fantastic

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02 Dec 2010 19:17:44
02 Dec 2010 11:56:28
Would anyone have owen coyle?

{Editor's Note: I think he would be a good choice, not my first choice, but a decent way forward. I assume you did mean as a manager?}


I did ed yeah, I like him. He's good with the media, hes turned bolton into a good footballing side from a horrible one and he did a good job at burnley. I think he has enough experience of the league now. Do u think he would struggle in the transfer market? Thats my only concern. . Am just watchin psg vs sevilla here that hoarau looks alrite aswell. {ed's note - hard to say how he would do in the transfer market, but as Comolli is the main man there that would not really be an issue anyway.}

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02 Dec 2010 19:17:29
Poulsen hasn't got near anyone all night. And slow isn't the word!

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02 Dec 2010 19:17:14
02 Dec 2010 18:56:26
{ed's note - no it doesn't at all, no more than it would anywhere else in the world.}

qatar would jus be easier for them to attack as its so close. .well ive put my point across and i believe alot of ppl in this world have same opinion, , , simple fact is the strongest bidders shoulda won and they didnt, , , it went to nations that have the multi billionaires willing to bribe the judges {ed's note - just because a bunch of S*n readers believe the Middle East is a terrorist haven, doesn't mean it actually is. . .}
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The Guardian from Wikileaks said QATAR gives a free run and easy travel to known terrorists for an easty ride.
Also no Jewish people allowed which would be a disgrace! SO NO Israelis and people with Israeli stamps in their passports.
Also a 'dry' World Cup - no alcohol.
Temperatures of 40+ degrees celsius.
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Look mate, no country is perfect. Every country in the world has bad people and every country in the world has murderers or some form of political/ religious extremism. Say Israel qualified for England 2018 if England had got it, whats to say some of the Muslim extremists in England wouldn't have attacked them either?

And obviously there are tensions between Arabs and Jews, so its best to try and avoid violence by not letting Jewish people into those countries because it would kick-off. In the world, there are tensions between all groups. Blacks vs. Whites in African places, Protestant vs. Catholic in places, Muslim vs. Hindu in places. They just want to avoid it kicking off.

And so what if its a non-alcohol WC? The whole point of having the WC in different nations is to embrace their culture, so if alcohol isn't part of their culture then the world must embrace it. The world must have a good time in other ways, the way the Qatar people would. Plus, alcohol has the tendency to dehydrate people, so imagine drinking in that heat? It aint good for your health. Plus, we must respect their religious commitments which again ties in with their culture.
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QATAR - 32 TEAMS AND THEIR THOUSANDS OF FANS GOING TO A COUNTRY THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM? RIDICULOUS.

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02 Dec 2010 19:13:05
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Pacheco struggling to make an impact at the moment, way off prem league on this performance.

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02 Dec 2010 19:06:28
Ive been trying to watch the game via a bad-buffering live internet stream that chooses to freeze everytime Liverpool have the ball, but looks like Steaua have had all the posession but been unable to make the most of it. Milan's header was class finishing - I have been surprised he hasnt had more of a run in the team either on the right or behind the stiker.

Well we've been average but a goal up & can hopefully get a second now and put the game to bed. C'mon the reds!

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02 Dec 2010 19:02:44
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Simple questions, who thinks Pacheco is ready for the first team of Liverpool? I am watching him play today and he does not have the energy or motivation or stamina to run 90 minutes. Skill will not make him survive EPL. Another thing, y r v so ecited on Joe Cole (www.liverpoolfc.tv makes a huge buzz of him and all). He is crap. Being english does not make him any better than he is. He cannot play in the centre, it is plain obvious from the results in the first 8 game of the season and today again. Come on guys, do not blame Hodgson for not giving Pacheco a chance. He can be good on training and some games, but he is not ready yet. We need to give him time and bring him on as sub. Joe Cole shuld start on the bench if he insists on playing the central clause of his agreement. Else we can kiss goodbye to this season UCL qualification. Agreee means believable and else

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02 Dec 2010 18:58:00
Good header fron Jovanovic not easy , took it well worth a go up alongside Torres. .agree?

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02 Dec 2010 18:56:26
{ed's note - no it doesn't at all, no more than it would anywhere else in the world.}

qatar would jus be easier for them to attack as its so close. .well ive put my point across and i believe alot of ppl in this world have same opinion, , , simple fact is the strongest bidders shoulda won and they didnt, , , it went to nations that have the multi billionaires willing to bribe the judges {ed's note - just because a bunch of S*n readers believe the Middle East is a terrorist haven, doesn't mean it actually is. . .}
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The Guardian from Wikileaks said QATAR gives a free run and easy travel to known terrorists for an easty ride.
Also no Jewish people allowed which would be a disgrace! SO NO Israelis and people with Israeli stamps in their passports.
Also a 'dry' World Cup - no alcohol.
Temperatures of 40+ degrees celsius.
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Look mate, no country is perfect. Every country in the world has bad people and every country in the world has murderers or some form of political/ religious extremism. Say Israel qualified for England 2018 if England had got it, whats to say some of the Muslim extremists in England wouldn't have attacked them either?

And obviously there are tensions between Arabs and Jews, so its best to try and avoid violence by not letting Jewish people into those countries because it would kick-off. In the world, there are tensions between all groups. Blacks vs. Whites in African places, Protestant vs. Catholic in places, Muslim vs. Hindu in places. They just want to avoid it kicking off.

And so what if its a non-alcohol WC? The whole point of having the WC in different nations is to embrace their culture, so if alcohol isn't part of their culture then the world must embrace it. The world must have a good time in other ways, the way the Qatar people would. Plus, alcohol has the tendency to dehydrate people, so imagine drinking in that heat? It aint good for your health. Plus, we must respect their religious commitments which again ties in with their culture.

Plus, doesn't Qatar have lower crime rates than Brazil? Poland? Ukraine? Russia? - all nations which are hosting major tournaments in coming years? South Africa had the WC and their crime rates is one of the biggest in the world.

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02 Dec 2010 18:53:48
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Wouldn't worry bout trying watch the match its carp. Jovanovic took his goal well tho.

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02 Dec 2010 18:53:37
Does anyone else think it's wrong for a country to host a World Cup when they have never played in one?

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02 Dec 2010 18:52:30
Babel is doing allright

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02 Dec 2010 18:52:01
Not too bad a first half. Babel and The Greek playing really well. Joe Cole completely pants and Pacheco non-existant. Oh, and Wolfswinkle scored 2 in the other game.

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02 Dec 2010 18:51:37
"ed don't be naive lol bribary al the way for them 2 countrys, , , russia a country that does nothing but hate the world and start wars, , , and no one likes russia, , and qatar a country that has nothing to do with football, , , and is in middle east surrounded by wars and terrorists, , oh and oil billionaires, , , alls i can say guys is in 2018 expect failure, , , and 2022 expect many casualties and suicide bombers on the pitch ha car bombs in the car parks

{Editor's Note: I have already deleted a couple of your bigotted and ignorant posts, but I'll let this through so everyone can see your thoughts.} "


Well done Ed this guy seems like a complete idiot .
But a question to him: In an earlier post you said nobody liked Russia or Qatar but England only got 2 votes compared with Russia 13 and Qatar 14 .

As for suicide bombers or car bombers etc . i don't want to offend anyone else so I'll just say you find its much safer over there than here .
I lived most of my life over there, and I can tell you the only situations when I ever feared for my life were after 11pm in the streets of London.

You my friend should realise there is a world outside your town, try and explore it objectively . (if there is a 12 year old that goes to school in your estate ask him to translate to you what objectively means).


Roy

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02 Dec 2010 18:45:54
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Just watching the game babel is useless doesn't have a clue on how or where to make runs, bring on ngog and please sell in january!
Martyn lfc

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02 Dec 2010 18:33:21
02 Dec 2010 16:10:14
02 Dec 2010 15:57:24
I don't think England will get a world cup for a very long time. 2026 will go to the USA, 2030 to China
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USA only held it in 1990. it won't be them.

harry5
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USA 1994.

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02 Dec 2010 18:30:45
02 Dec 2010 17:41:42
{ed's note - no it doesn't at all, no more than it would anywhere else in the world.}

qatar would jus be easier for them to attack as its so close. .well ive put my point across and i believe alot of ppl in this world have same opinion, , , simple fact is the strongest bidders shoulda won and they didnt, , , it went to nations that have the multi billionaires willing to bribe the judges {ed's note - just because a bunch of S*n readers believe the Middle East is a terrorist haven, doesn't mean it actually is. . .}
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The Guardian from Wikileaks said QATAR gives a free run and easy travel to known terrorists for an easty ride.
Also no Jewish people allowed which would be a disgrace! SO NO Israelis and people with Israeli stamps in their passports.
Also a 'dry' World Cup - no alcohol.
Temperatures of 40+ degrees celsius.

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02 Dec 2010 18:28:17
Team is set up with Babel up front with Cole behind him. Pacheco wide right, Jovanovic wide left. Think that Jovanovic goal from a Babel cross showed that Jova should really be playing up the middle with Pacheco beside him, Babel wide right & Cole wide left. . .yes/ no?

It must be frustrating for players when they are given the chance, they're played out of position.

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02 Dec 2010 18:26:53
Oh whos been saying all this time, give jovanovic a chance for god sake. Me. And look how that's worked out. Also, good luk to pacheco and wilson, please make an impact, and you babel, your leading the line as you wanted.

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02 Dec 2010 18:21:41
Jovanovic 1-0, Babel assist

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02 Dec 2010 18:20:43
Ed don't be naive lol bribary al the way for them 2 countrys, , , russia a country that does nothing but hate the world and start wars, , , and no one likes russia, , and qatar a country that has nothing to do with football, , , and is in middle east surrounded by wars and terrorists, , oh and oil billionaires, , , alls i can say guys is in 2018 expect failure, , , and 2022 expect many casualties and suicide bombers on the pitch ha car bombs in the car parks
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You are a complete and utter knob. You have no idea what you are talking about. Go to school and learn an education, because clearly, you are lacking one. Unfortunately medical advancements haven't got to the brain transplants yet. When it does, sell yours as it is clearly unused.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 18:14:50
We went to romania to defend

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02 Dec 2010 18:08:19
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What is the obsession with shawcross - he's awful, wilson and kelly are twice as good.

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02 Dec 2010 18:06:39
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Wilson gets his start as predicted. . pacheco to score 3-0. . .155-1 at billy hills. . I'm on itThe all seeing aaaaiiii

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02 Dec 2010 18:01:34
Wilson smile for goodness sake don't look so glum

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02 Dec 2010 18:01:10
If there are any Dutch/ Spanish/ Australian/ American viewers of this site I would be interested to hear what they think of Russia and Qatar getting the world cup.

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02 Dec 2010 17:57:28
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Adam Johnson and Honda and Cahill will be the only signings in January.

IN:
Honda £8m (CSKA Moskow)
Johnson £8m (Manchester City)
Cahill £17.5m (Bolton)

OUT:
Babel Loan(Juventus)
Aqualani £13.5m(Juventus)
Lucas £5m(Sevilla)


So, let me get this right. Roy and comolli will agree that Cahill is needed to move up the table? Then, Comolli will go up to the NESV brass and get them to approve on a move that sees a defender come over for £17.5m while everyone hopes for a striker, but fears funds will not be available? If you had £17.5m to spend on a player, you would choose Cahill? Personally, I wouldn't spend that type of cash on Gary, Tim, Dick and Harry Cahill combined.

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02 Dec 2010 17:51:37
Ed, I'm 19. Assuming I don't die violently at a young age, do you think there will be a world cup in England in my lifetime?

Also, what are the actual realistic chances of Andre Villas Boas being our next manager? Is he even being considered? {ed's note - I have no idea about the World Cup mate, the problem England faces is that it already has everything and nothing would really be gained by the World Cup being here. As for Boas, I do think he has a very realistic chance of being the next man in charge.}

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02 Dec 2010 17:43:24
Liverpool Rumours
Tonights team sheet
Liverpool: Reina, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Wilson, Kelly, Cole, C Poulsen, Shelvey, Pacheco, Jovanovic, Babel.

Subs: Jones, Skrtel, Flanagan, Robinson, Lucas, Ngog, Eccleston.

great to see he finally has faith in pacheco :D

martyn lfc

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02 Dec 2010 17:41:42
{ed's note - no it doesn't at all, no more than it would anywhere else in the world.}

qatar would jus be easier for them to attack as its so close. .well ive put my point across and i believe alot of ppl in this world have same opinion, , , simple fact is the strongest bidders shoulda won and they didnt, , , it went to nations that have the multi billionaires willing to bribe the judges {ed's note - just because a bunch of S*n readers believe the Middle East is a terrorist haven, doesn't mean it actually is.....}

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02 Dec 2010 17:39:35
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2-1 win tonight in Bucharest with goals by Jovanovic and Ngog.Danny Wilson to play a blinder and Hopefully Pacheco to prove hes good enough.

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you're optimistic thinking Jovanovic will score! !

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02 Dec 2010 17:36:12
{ed's note - and how do you work out that being closer makes it any more dangerous? After all they don't have a history of suffering from terrorism. You clearly don't understand what you are talking about in anyway shape or form. Your knowledge of the Middle East no doubt comes from tabloid newspapers and television screens, because you have no idea of the situation out there. I bet you think everyone out there hates the West?}

just because qatar hasnt suffered by terrorists, that jus means they have no reason to attack qatar, but when the world cup goes there the whole world will be there it is so close to terorists that they will find it so easy to attack, , and it will be a huge reason to begin attacks on qatar now {ed's note - no it doesn't at all, no more than it would anywhere else in the world.}

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02 Dec 2010 17:31:28
Liverpool Rumours
Is the game on itv 4? {ed's note - it is on ESPN tonight mate.}

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02 Dec 2010 17:30:42
Liverpool Rumours
How can i watch tonights game online?

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02 Dec 2010 17:29:00
{ed's note - you really are so wrong it is scary, Qatar is much safer and less likely to be attacked than most countries.}

lol didn't know being wrong was scary in any way lol, , but still qatar the safer how u come to that conclusion its a stone throw away from iran, iraq and afghan, , , and with a huge tourniment will be held so close to them the whole world is gunna be so close to them alot of the terrorist organisations live in saudi arabia which shares boarders of qatar, , {ed's note - and how do you work out that being closer makes it any more dangerous? After all they don't have a history of suffering from terrorism. You clearly don't understand what you are talking about in anyway shape or form. Your knowledge of the Middle East no doubt comes from tabloid newspapers and television screens, because you have no idea of the situation out there. I bet you think everyone out there hates the West?}

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02 Dec 2010 17:25:34
Liverpool Rumours
Ed, will we ever be as good as Tranmere?

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02 Dec 2010 17:17:47
We pay about 10 million for him a couple of years ago, he has improved so much and is worth over 20 million, I would rather have him than poulson, your an idiot for thinking 5 million to sevilla

£20 million for lucas r u kidding me, , he has a decent start to the season even tho hes been poor since he came, , , and ur saying 20 mill lol £10 mill was to much for him he was worth £5 mill when we bought him so now hes probably worth about £7 mill

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02 Dec 2010 17:16:57
Liverpool Rumours
"02 Dec 2010 16:58:02
Liverpool Rumours
Adam Johnson and Honda and Cahill will be the only signings in January.

IN:
Honda £8m (CSKA Moskow)
Johnson £8m (Manchester City)
Cahill £17.5m (Bolton)

OUT:
Babel Loan(Juventus)
Aqualani £13.5m(Juventus)
Lucas £5m(Sevilla)"

Interesting use of the phrase "only". Cahill may be overrated but i'd wager most would jump for joy if they were the "only" signings made this Jan.

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02 Dec 2010 17:15:30
Liverpool Rumours
Ed wats your prediction for tonight? {ed's note - 2-0 to us I am going for, you?}

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02 Dec 2010 17:15:13
As much as I despise him, I've got to give him nuisance Redknapp for what he's doing there.What we're seeing at Spurs right now is a triumph of the human spirit, strength of unity, ambition, belief and a good attitude.

All of which were hallmarks of some of our best performances and results under the controversial Benitez reign.
We were not a team of 11 stars, no, no, no.
We did have 3/ 4 world class players and the rest were good enough at best.

Though far from being an excellent motivate, Benitez, much alike Qedknapp, brought togetherness;instilled ambition, desire and fight in the lads.And, of course, a bit of tactical nous.
Basically, the trinity that Shanks so spoke really did come into being.Everybody was galvanised and on the same boat;the fans, players, manager.

Now, folks, this is not some Rafa appraisal and/ or defence.
What I'm trying to highlight is the (perhaps most) significant role in the trinity:that of the manager.
That of Roy.

Roy's been an unmitigated disaster in every way possible:motivation, mentality, attitude, team unity, camaraderie with fans and players, leadership, tactics, accountability etc.

Reina&Torres (Spain), Gerrard, Johnson (England), Meireles (Portugal), Agger (Denmark), Kuyt (Holland), Lucas (Brazil), Maxi (Argentina)

Now, that's NINE full internationals of the world's most leading nations.But, according to Roy, his media pals and some "fans", these players are not good enough for the top 4. .yet apparently, Spurs and the hypocrites, bloody cheats Manure are good enough to win the prem.
In fact, Roy even reckons that with the exception of Torres and Gerrard, this team's no more better than the Fulham he led to Eurapa second-best.

During his 5 months' reign, this team has been (1)overstaffed, (2)understaffed, (3)overstaffed and (4)understaffed. .all in 5 months.

Ah, well, who am I to argue with 35 years' worth Scandinavian of experience.

Best wishes

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02 Dec 2010 17:14:39
{ed's note - are you a bit simple? England was marred by terrorist attacks only recently, Spain still suffers from Basque separatists, the US not so long ago, you might have heard of it, suffered a major terrorist attack. If you are that bigoted you think that only Qatar would be a target for terrorist attacks then there is no hope for you.}

i didn't say they would be the only ones targeted by terrorists i said it would be easier for terrorists with qatar being on there doorsteps, , , its not so easy to attack here or usa but in middle east it happens every day nearly im not saying it can't happen here or usa or australia, jus that its not so easy to here or at the usa or australia {ed's note - you really are so wrong it is scary, Qatar is much safer and less likely to be attacked than most countries.}

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02 Dec 2010 17:11:36
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02 Dec 2010 17:01:37
2-1 win tonight in Bucharest with goals by Jovanovic and Ngog.Danny Wilson to play a blinder and Hopefully Pacheco to prove hes good enough.

2-1 to bucharest, , , babels on and poulsen we won't win simple as jus have to wait till after the utrect game to say were through to knock outs

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02 Dec 2010 17:10:29
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I know this is a rumour site but that's just plain ridicolous! Carlton Cole is carp. granted so are Lucas & Babel, but at least they are younger and occasionally show glimpses of talent. Cole is older and shows none!

LOl, lucas is one of our better players, he has the desire to play and has a high work rate, just need to improve the final pass and he can be amazing

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02 Dec 2010 17:08:38
Liverpool Rumours
Lucas £5m(Sevilla)

LOL

we pay about 10 million for him a couple of years ago, he has improved so much and is worth over 20 million, I would rather have him than poulson, your an idiot for thinking 5 million to sevilla

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02 Dec 2010 17:06:34
{Editor's Note: That was not the objectional part of the post. It was your ignorant and bigited views on two other countries which is offensive.}

so stating the truth is bigotted well sorry for stating the truth, , might of gone overboard saying russia hate the world and the world hate them maybe tone that down to like they hate alot not all the world but alot and same for alot of the world hate them, , , as for qatar now that i can't tone down cos they r simply on the doorsteps of terrorists i don't want to see football nations going there and being blown up cos its not gunna be hard for the terrorists who live in and around qatar the world cup is gunna be a huge target for them and fifa have jus made it easy for them {ed's note - are you a bit simple? England was marred by terrorist attacks only recently, Spain still suffers from Basque separatists, the US not so long ago, you might have heard of it, suffered a major terrorist attack. If you are that bigoted you think that only Qatar would be a target for terrorist attacks then there is no hope for you.}

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02 Dec 2010 17:03:27
02 Dec 2010 16:57:31
Liverpool: Reina, Kelly, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Wilson, Poulsen, Shelvey, Jovanovic, Pacheco, Cole, Babel.

PACHECOS BACK OHYES!

that is a losing team, , , babel? ?wth! poulsen my god well utrect i guess we have to wait to beat them to say were through to knock outs

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02 Dec 2010 17:02:49
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Ed do you think we will go for adam johnson and if so wil we get him ?

{Editor's Note: maybe and maybe.}

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02 Dec 2010 17:01:05
{Editor's Note: It is not what the Eds agree with, it is what the Ed's find acceptable for posting.}

lol so saying that fifa took a bribe as my opinion and many others is not acceptable, tell me why u find it not acceptable to express our opinion

{Editor's Note: That was not the objectional part of the post. It was your ignorant and bigited views on two other countries which is offensive.}

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02 Dec 2010 16:57:31
Liverpool: Reina, Kelly, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Wilson, Poulsen, Shelvey, Jovanovic, Pacheco, Cole, Babel.

PACHECOS BACK OHYES!

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02 Dec 2010 16:56:29
{Editor's Note: It is a moderated forum. Anything making unsubstantiated claims and bigotted remarks will simply not be posted. If you wish an open forum where such remarks are acceptable I suggest you look elsewhere.}

bigotted how is saying the fifa was bribed bigotted its an opinion and a shared opinion with alot of people, , and if people can't voice there opinion then ur not exactly a fair forum seems u can only say what u eds agree with

{Editor's Note: It is not what the Eds agree with, it is what the Ed's find acceptable for posting.}

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02 Dec 2010 16:51:45
Look get a grip. This is an LFC website not a forum to cry about England not getting the World Cup. Some of the pathetic jingoism I've read on here on the past hour is beyond the pale (especially that bell end going on about car bombings. Go and join the rest of your brethren on the S*n website)

Russia won. Probably more by foul means than fair but that's the modern world.

Now on to more important things. Up the Redmen in Bucharest tonight

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02 Dec 2010 16:49:17
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02 Dec 2010 16:35:59
02 Dec 2010 16:27:24
Ed, would you care to estimate how many billions were spent on bribes from Qatar and Russia.

{Editor's Note: The entire process includes the entertaining of FIFA members etc. I expected the Wold Cups to go to Russia and Qatar and it is not due to bribery.}

Cannot believe we did not get it. A*e shaving should be banned from playing in the PL, and Abramovich should be removed by the FA. Of course it won't happen, but that is the way it should be.

{Editor's Note: Why? Just nonsense.}

I would have understood if Spain and Portugal would have got the bid (and I would have quite liked to have gone actually).

ed don't be naive lol bribary al the way for them 2 countrys, , , russia a country that does nothing but hate the world and start wars, , , and no one likes russia, , and qatar a country that has nothing to do with football, , , and is in middle east surrounded by wars and terrorists, , oh and oil billionaires, , , alls i can say guys is in 2018 expect failure, , , and 2022 expect many casualties and suicide bombers on the pitch ha car bombs in the car parks

{Editor's Note: I have already deleted a couple of your bigotted and ignorant posts, but I'll let this through so everyone can see your thoughts.}

thnx for letting it through but really u shouldnt delete any its meant to be a forum, , shouldnt be choosing what u like and don't like sorry but its true, , , i really think 2018 shoulda gone to either england or spain and portugal, and 2022 shoulda went to australia or usa

{Editor's Note: It is a moderated forum. Anything making unsubstantiated claims and bigotted remarks will simply not be posted. If you wish an open forum where such remarks are acceptable I suggest you look elsewhere.}

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02 Dec 2010 16:44:49
Good luck or good "fortunes" to both Russia and Qatar on their apointment as hosts for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups respectively.

Blatter maintains that FIFA are trying to take Football to new frontiers, and no one can deny that both these countries in relation to hosting a World Cup will be "new frontiers", but being the sceptic that I am I doubt Football concerns were the real key factor(s) in the final outcome(s).

What people have to understand is that the voting, and the way the specific delegates vote, is purely Politically and "Diplomatically" based, and not Football based.

FIFA is a patchwork quilt of back slapping, palm greasing undesirables, all of whom have their own personal agenda's, and will "jump" ship (change vote allegiances - Mr Warner an example) at the drop of a hat or the promise for future support in retaining their own positions of power.

The Panorama programme may have put England's bid in some jeopardy, but in truth it really only highlighted facts that FIFA themselves had realeased. If you were watching the outcome on Sky's sport, let's not forget that their reporters will constantly pose the question and act as Devil's advocate where their "competition" the BBC, are concerned.

One question I always ask myself when these federations vote, be it the Olympics or the World Cup is why aren't the votes done publically and openly? If they have nothing to "hide", which the shouldn't, then why not openly display which delegates vote(d) for which Country?

As an aside, apparently Qatar are going to design temperature controlled stadiums to counteract the 40+ Celsius temperatures (Global warming by 2022 may mean 45+ temperatures), which will "greet" the players.

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02 Dec 2010 16:35:59
02 Dec 2010 16:27:24
Ed, would you care to estimate how many billions were spent on bribes from Qatar and Russia.

{Editor's Note: The entire process includes the entertaining of FIFA members etc. I expected the Wold Cupds to go to Russia and Qatar and it is not due to bribery.}

Cannot believe we did not get it. A*e shaving should be banned from playing in the PL, and Abramovich should be removed by the FA. Of course it won't happen, but that is the way it should be.

{Editor's Note: Why? Just nonsense.}

I would have understood if Spain and Portugal would have got the bid (and I would have quite liked to have gone actually).

ed don't be naive lol bribary al the way for them 2 countrys, , , russia a country that does nothing but hate the world and start wars, , , and no one likes russia, , and qatar a country that has nothing to do with football, , , and is in middle east surrounded by wars and terrorists, , oh and oil billionaires, , , alls i can say guys is in 2018 expect failure, , , and 2022 expect many casualties and suicide bombers on the pitch ha car bombs in the car parks

{Editor's Note: I have already deleted a couple of your bigotted and ignorant posts, but I'll let this through so everyone can see your thoughts.}

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02 Dec 2010 16:32:11
Unlucky to England for losing out on 2018. But it's not the end of the world, good luck to Russia and Qatar (Hope the players are extra fit for that heat) unless they stage it in January. Back to more important issues, good luck to the Reds for tonights game. YNWA.

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02 Dec 2010 16:29:37
The only good point not getting world cup is that if manure want to expand owe trafford to 95k they will have to pay it themselves now,

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02 Dec 2010 16:27:24
Ed, would you care to estimate how many billions were spent on bribes from Qatar and Russia.

{Editor's Note: The entire process includes the entertaining of FIFA members etc. I expected the Wold Cupds to go to Russia and Qatar and it is not due to bribery.}

Cannot believe we did not get it. A*e shaving should be banned from playing in the PL, and Abramovich should be removed by the FA. Of course it won't happen, but that is the way it should be.

{Editor's Note: Why? Just nonsense.}

I would have understood if Spain and Portugal would have got the bid (and I would have quite liked to have gone actually).

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02 Dec 2010 16:26:28
Liverpool Rumours
Ed, what do u think of David degen?

{Editor's Note: He has been putting in some decent performances this year.}

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02 Dec 2010 16:21:06
Russia 2018 world cup what a joke . i have always belived that fifa do not like england , its amazing how fifa change the rules like fair play , only spend what ur club make , its only because of chelsea, mancity and any other rich owners in this country , were they can buy top players with no money worries , so what do fifa do change the rules . oh i see real madrid have done this 4 years, why now oh that's right its england .
good luck lfc tonight ynwa77

{Editor's Note: The fair play rules are nothing to do with FIFA - they are UEFA rules.}

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02 Dec 2010 16:15:16
Liverpool Rumours
02 Dec 2010 15:57:24
I don't think England will get a world cup for a very long time. 2026 will go to the USA, 2030 to China.

actually the usa lost the 2022 so they can't host one now for longer than england england can't host now till 2030 and usa can't host till 2034

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02 Dec 2010 16:10:14
02 Dec 2010 15:57:24
I don't think England will get a world cup for a very long time. 2026 will go to the USA, 2030 to China
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USA only held it in 1990. it won't be them.

harry5

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02 Dec 2010 16:08:55
Its not panoramas fault if fifa wasnt full of fiddling they wouldn't have a story, if anything they should dig deeper now and show fifa for what it is,

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02 Dec 2010 16:08:09
{Editor's Note: The absolute earliest it can be is 16 years time - 2026.}

its actually 2030 when we can next get it now

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02 Dec 2010 16:05:45
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool to offer Lucas and Babel in exchange for Carlton Cole.
£10 million bid for Yann M'Vila imminent.

Harry J
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Sorry why the * * we will give both, C Cole is not worth one of Babel or Lucas

Lankan Red

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02 Dec 2010 16:02:48
England will never win a world cup bid on its own again. Italy is still recovering from the a* e falling out of their game, that's where EPL is heading. Voting board knew this and did not want football showpiece held in a country where football is a dying game.

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02 Dec 2010 15:57:59
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Lucas Leiva being tracked by Santos. The Brazilian side seems keen on bringing him back home. Now, I am one who has always stood by Lucas. I always believed he was the better half of the Masceratno-Lucas central midfield. However, if a big money offer came in, I wonder if Liverpool (Roy) would resist the temptation of selling him. How much more of an upside is there to this guy? Personally, after the Chelsea game I am convinced that on a stronger (Liverpool) team this guy can become as influential as Scholes (minus the goals). What do you think Mr. Ed? {ed's note - I don't see a need to sell him myself, unless Banega or Javi Martinez can come in to replace him.}

You mention the Chelsea game but fail to mention the 50 bad games he has had. Whilst we have players like him, Konchesky, Kryiackos, Poulson, Ngog, Jovanovic, Babbel and Woy we will be an average Prem team at best.
Chuck Derek in that lot as well.
Captain.

I agree, These lot need shipping out. Comparing Lucas as possibly as influential as scholes is one of the most hilarious things I have heard. Dont you mean as influential as coals on a sunny day!
And I don't want to even start on Konchesky, this guy makes Insua look like Ashley Cole!
REEGSLFC


Lucas is still a relatively young player and if you look at his track record you have to admit that his worst performances were when the whole team looked bad. You could plug Xavi in the current squad and with no-one to pass to people would say that he brings nothing to the squad. Mascherano never did anything (look at him now), Sissoko couldn't pass to a team mate, Alonso was hot and cold, Gerrard doesn't know what his position is, Poulsen is finished and Meireles is being played out of position half the time. When (and next to whom) was Lucas expected to grow into a dominant player? Get real mate, he is the closest to a young player Liverpool have brought up and given the circumstances (and ridiculous criticism); he has not done too badly for himself.

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02 Dec 2010 15:57:30
Liverpool Rumours
England came 4th out of 4 in the first round, and got knocked out in that round of voting. That just shows, no matter how good our presentation was we wouldn't get it, because panorama attacked fifa members, without any new data.
Panorama simply stirred up old information, and fifa has categorically blocked our World Cup bid because of it.
The media of England has to stop. They destroyed morale in the England team before this world cup and have now affected us holding a world cup for the next 12 years.
I now this isn't Liverpool based as such, but it would have brought in extra revenue to our new ground and merchandised the club further.
What are your thoughts ed?

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02 Dec 2010 15:57:24
I don't think England will get a world cup for a very long time. 2026 will go to the USA, 2030 to China.

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02 Dec 2010 15:54:24
02 Dec 2010 15:40:32
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And the world cup 2018 goes to Russia, to be fair, Eastern Europe have never held a world cup, perhaps it suits, i just hope we get one in my lifetime!

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we will do mate. but it could be almost 15 years time. what a joke. we invented the sport for god sakes.

harry5:)

{Editor's Note: The absolute earliest it can be is 16 years time - 2026.}

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02 Dec 2010 15:53:12
Well it's certainly been a year to forget for us Liverpool and England fans!

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02 Dec 2010 15:51:52
Russia got the world cup because Eastern Europe has never had a world cup, they offered free transport and no need for Visas to the games.
Qatar is the same, a middle eastern country witht he WorlD Cup, fair enough im dissapointed that it isn't coming to England, but lets face it, it is the 'World Cup' so it should be played all over the world.
Besides, by 2022, Qatar will have a wealth of facilities and are building what appears to be a strong league.
There is nothing we can do about the bid now, so we must all simply get behind our teams.
I do believe a bid from England, Wales and Scotland would have been stronger though. .

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02 Dec 2010 15:51:24
02 Dec 2010 14:30:43
Mate please dear oh dear, No the spelling is not ok you DONUT, its spelt DOUGHNUT YOU DOUGHNUT wat a tool

-"it's". . not "its"

Also, wat is spelt "what"

THAT WOULD DEPEND WHERE THE POSTER WAS FROM, IN NORTH AMERICA IT`S DONUT. PLEASE DON`T BE SO IGNORANT.

ChrisE

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02 Dec 2010 15:49:41
Who, or where the h*ck is QUATAR? ?? ?

harry5:)

{Editor's Comment: I think to be honest Qatar has been nailed on for a while.}

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02 Dec 2010 15:47:26
This is the biggest fix. Russia and Qatar. Bribes flying everywhere. Shows that any country who plays it by the book have missed out.

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02 Dec 2010 15:46:49
Qatar will host 2022

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02 Dec 2010 15:43:25
You can see Sepp Blatter wanted england

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02 Dec 2010 15:43:17
How the hell did Russia get the world cup? Africa, enjoy yourself. A bit of Abramovich money maybe to get the votes.
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It's all to do with tax mate. They won't have to pay any. It's the same reason how South Africa won it.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 15:40:34
Liverpool Rumours
How the hell did Russia get the world cup? Africa, enjoy yourself. A bit of Abramovich money maybe to get the votes.

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02 Dec 2010 15:40:32
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And the world cup 2018 goes to Russia, to be fair, Eastern Europe have never held a world cup, perhaps it suits, i just hope we get one in my lifetime!

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02 Dec 2010 15:29:25
Liverpool Rumours
Russia won world cup bid

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02 Dec 2010 15:10:48
Liverpool Rumours
Lucas Leiva being tracked by Santos. The Brazilian side seems keen on bringing him back home. Now, I am one who has always stood by Lucas. I always believed he was the better half of the Masceratno-Lucas central midfield. However, if a big money offer came in, I wonder if Liverpool (Roy) would resist the temptation of selling him. How much more of an upside is there to this guy? Personally, after the Chelsea game I am convinced that on a stronger (Liverpool) team this guy can become as influential as Scholes (minus the goals). What do you think Mr. Ed? {ed's note - I don't see a need to sell him myself, unless Banega or Javi Martinez can come in to replace him.}

You mention the Chelsea game but fail to mention the 50 bad games he has had. Whilst we have players like him, Konchesky, Kryiackos, Poulson, Ngog, Jovanovic, Babbel and Woy we will be an average Prem team at best.
Chuck Derek in that lot as well.
Captain.

I agree, These lot need shipping out. Comparing Lucas as possibly as influential as scholes is one of the most hilarious things I have heard. Dont you mean as influential as coals on a sunny day!
And I don't want to even start on Konchesky, this guy makes Insua look like Ashley Cole!
REEGSLFC

To be honest I have always slated Lucas and still don't think he's good enough. The guy has improved thus far this season but is still a mid-tabled prem player at best, probably why Roy lauds him. Although you go on to mention deadwood, you all seem to forget that N'Gog is still young and has a lot to learn. He'll become a decent back-up striker for our club. Insua was also young and was thrown into the limelight too early. Rafa was blooding him in, then sold Dossena leaving us with him and the injury-prone Fabio Aurelio, so he was always going to falter soon. Jovanovic finally hasn't been given a proper chance yet and was only settling in when he was playing. Now he's settling better and his performances will perk up. For me Poulsen, who is still settling in isn't good enough, and Konchesky is the worst LB in the league. However, Kyrgiakos is one of our better performers and would be devastated to see him go, seeing as we'd get about £2m for him. He frightens defenders, good in the air and isn't afraid to get stuck in.

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02 Dec 2010 14:47:59
{ed's note - if we are aiming at players of Zenden quality we may as well give up on Champions League qualification! He was awful every time I saw him play.}

Erm. We went all the way to the champions league final in 2007 with Zenden in the team.
He may not have been the greatest player to wear a Liverpool shirt but I will remember him for having the guts to take and score the first pen against Chelsea in the semi-final.

Harry J {ed's note - and he was truly dreadful in every match, I still remember the team being announced and just groaning because of his name being in there. He is just like Jon Obi Mikel at Chelsea - offers nothing offensively and is just a body in the way defensively.}

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02 Dec 2010 14:45:25
Its a done deal he has already made his plan and submitted it to NESV and Damien Comolli Honda is gonna be the first of many young talented signings Steven Gerrard and torres where left out of Liverpool's Europa League match at Utrecht earlier this year cause they where showing Rijkaard round melwood
source: inside anfield ed will back me up i broke this on this site weeks before it came out in the press watch this space


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Torres played against Utrecht you idiot and I recall him missing a sitter. If you're going to make up something, think it through, and I'm surprised no-one else picked up on this.

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02 Dec 2010 14:43:10
Liverpool Rumours
{ed's note - if we are aiming at players of Zenden quality we may as well give up on Champions League qualification! He was awful every time I saw him play.}
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It's like I said earlier mate, he wouldn't be an improvement on Meireles or Lucas in regards to playing CM. In that position he'd only be a squad/ backup player but I guess it would be an improvement on Poulsen and for free. But no more than a squad player from what I've seen.

As for him being a winger, well it's just another Joe Cole situation if you ask me. Marveaux is a central playmaker and we don't want to be stuck with a centra player out wide like J.Cole! Or even Zenden when at Liverpool, his favoured/ better position was central and he was stuck out on the wing.

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02 Dec 2010 14:33:06
Liverpool Rumours
You are obviously looking at a different player - Marveaux would never be described as "big and strong" - he is pretty short and an average build - Bolo Zenden like. He is also not really a central midfield playmaker nor is he in the mould of Meireles or Lucas. Although he can play anywhere across midfield, if he comes he will probably be used as a winger on either side - noting that he is left footed - rather like Bolo Zenden.

He would be an excellent addition to the squad.

Sharkey.
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He is big, and I've seen him playing a few times and he sure as hell doesn't get bullied, and for his height he can handle himself well.

Just because someone isn't tall doesn't mean they can't be described as "big". Look at Hulk in Porto, or Tevez at Man City. Obviously not as strong, but a pretty strong guy from what I see.

He's not a Messi or Benayoun size wise. {ed's note - if we are aiming at players of Zenden quality we may as well give up on Champions League qualification! He was awful every time I saw him play.}

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02 Dec 2010 14:30:43
Mate please dear oh dear, No the spelling is not ok you DONUT, its spelt DOUGHNUT YOU DOUGHNUT wat a tool

-"it's". . not "its"

Also, wat is spelt "what"

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02 Dec 2010 13:40:00
There is plenty to worry about; world peace, the state of the economy, poverty. But I would not worry too much about Hicks right now.}
ok thanks so you think he is going to be unsuccessful mate?
YNWA
{Editor's Note: I think that he will be in the long run and it could drag out for years.}

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02 Dec 2010 13:37:45
Liverpool Rumours
Mate please dear oh dear, No the spelling is not ok you DONUT, its spelt DOUGHNUT YOU DOUGHNUT wat a tool

-"it's". . not "its"

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02 Dec 2010 13:33:51
Liverpool Rumours
Ed, is it anything to be worried about or will hicks fail more than likely in his attempt to seek damages

{EDitor's Note: There is plenty to worry about; world peace, the state of the economy, poverty. But I would not worry too much about Hicks right now.}

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02 Dec 2010 13:30:09
Firstly I'd just like to thank Roy for having came to this club at such a difficult time.For me personally, it's a dream come true that we have this man in our camp.I've long admired his methodology.His works in Sweden, Denmark and at Inter speaks volumes.A statesman of great charisma, intelligence and wit, it truly is an honour having him lead our lads to battle.

Which brings me to my main point.I think Roy's been subjected to unjust and unwarranted criticism and abuse.
He was brought to steady things, and with quite a dreadful squad.He had a thin budget to work with.
But through his transfer market nous and impeccable eye for talent, was able to bring in the hugely talented but stupidly overrated Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen, a Danish international of immense experience at the game's highest level.
The fact that he managed to convince Juve to take a crocked Aquilani and sell him Poulsen at such a bargain price is testament to the man's ability.

It is under the mentorship of Christian and Paul that the Shelveys and Mavinga's will learn and grow to be great players.What these guys bring is priceless experience and guidance.So instead of busy moaning about them, be grateful that we have Christian and Paul (who I'm surprised isn't an intergral part of the English team).

As for Roy, he's done what he was briefed to do:bring calm and stability.And the last time I checked, we were number 9 on the log. .right where we ought to be.In fact I'd say that Roy's overachieving.The fact that we 6 six points behind spurs shows that.But still some folk are grizzling.
Christ, are you lot forgetting that at some stage we were in the bottom?And who took us out?Yeah, Roy.He's steadied the ship far better than I expected.

Also it's a pity that he didn't get all of his targets summer. .C Cole.L Young.Man.
And some people are crying the Spanish waiter.
Are forgetting that had he stayed, we would have most likely be minus Steven now, and would have likely added Van der Vaart, Martinez and the left back Lopez and kept Aquilani, Insua, Valle;Pacheco, Shelvey and Kelly would likely be featuring more and more?Do you realise that Carra would've went or had his appearances limited?
Are you aware that if the Spanish waiter had stayed, we'd probably be up there challenging?

So just be grateful that we have Roy, who's brought calm, stability and instilled in the boys that, indeed, they're good enough to finish midtable.And where we're right now is where Roy's can only have us.Really, should more be asked of the man.

People keen harping on about Barca football.Big deal, Stoke City vs Liverpool recently.Now we're talking.Roy masterminded something so unique and peculiar that left many reds dumbfounded.Now that was special, not that commonplace that gets dished out the Camp Nou.

Sadly, I think many will get their wish as Roy will be shafted in due course.But I'm gonna miss this all.It's been long since I laughed and got pissed off like I've been the last couple of months.

GOD KNOWS WHERE WE WOULD BE IF IT WEREN'T 4 ROY

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If you're being ironic then hat's off to you, but let's be clear for the Roy brigade that the ship he was brought into steady is in serious danger of capsizing. There's not one person I know who is in favour of keeping Roy, even until the end of the season. But it looks like we're going to have to get on with it and wach us play percentage football to salvage our season.

I hope to christ that NESV have taken a leaf out the WC bid team's book and have been giving some nifty powerpoint presentations to the senior players outlining their intentions because we are seriously in danger of losing our best players, all because of this clown, we currently call our manager.

If steadying the ship means mid-table obscurity then it simply isn't good enough and no matter what Roy says about the depth of the squad, or bad luck, or us being s* te away under Rafa, he is and never was good enough to manage this club.

The longer he stays, the more he will be vilified. Simple as that. Because for every West Ham at home, there's going to be a Stoke away.

25_05_05

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02 Dec 2010 13:27:04
Liverpool Rumours
This Aguero bussiness is starting to make me laugh. First it was last summer he was coming, it didn't happen. Now it's January it's going to happen. This guy has it covered in case it doesn't with next summer. Come on guys wake up.

MUSHROOM

sorry baldy i just meant a striker then suggested aguero
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Where do you get baldy from?

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 13:21:34
Liverpool Rumours
This rumour with Marveaux, iv just read up on him, hes 24, out of contract next summer. Barcelona and the likes were linked with him, but they have gone off the boil, has any one seen much of him?
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He's meant to be a playmaker. And taking a look at him, he is big and strong. You would imagine that he would suit the PL then.

From what I've seen, he wouldn't really be an improvement on Meireles (who is excellent) or even Lucas. But then again, would be a good free transfer and we need plenty of depth in my opinion.

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02 Dec 2010 13:21:18
Woy has 3 games left to save his job, NESV look to Rijkaard to take over.

fingers crossed it happens.

elnino9
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So this means you want Liverpool to lose the next 3 games. What sort of supporter are you?

MUSHROOM

ok, just playing devil's advocate here. how many people would sacrifice a few points to get rid of roy?
although it goes against everything ive ever thought about being a liverpool supporter, part of me thinks that we would recoup the lost points (and win more) under a different manager. i know it not the liverpool way, but neither is blindly following a manager into mediocrity.

agree- sacrifice a few points and lose roy

disagree- keep roy

cheers, big steve177

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02 Dec 2010 13:04:37
Liverpool Rumours
This rumour with Marveaux, iv just read up on him, hes 24, out of contract next summer. Barcelona and the likes were linked with him, but they have gone off the boil, has any one seen much of him?
Ed?
A 24 year old winger, who was promising and had attention from big clubs but never went anywhere, and is now a stroppy winger at Rennes, sounds like a certain Dutch forward liverpool have already? {ed's note - that is what is worrying me mate, he has been watched and found wanting so far in his career. Doesn't sound all that promising to me, but I haven't seen a lot of him to judge him myself.}

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02 Dec 2010 12:54:22
And some people are crying the Spanish waiter.
Are forgetting that had he stayed, we would have most likely be minus Steven now, and would have likely added Van der Vaart, Martinez and the left back Lopez and kept Aquilani, Insua, Valle;Pacheco, Shelvey and Kelly would likely be featuring more and more?Do you realise that Carra would've went or had his appearances limited?
Are you aware that if the Spanish waiter had stayed, we'd probably be up there challenging?


A case of rose tinted spectacles here.
Rafa would never have bought Van der Vaart - not his type of player - . Don't forget he could have had Sneijder in part ex for Alonso but went for Aquilani instead. Great decision that. How many times did Pacheco start a game under Rafa? Answer: none.
Insua was probably our worse player last season. Shelvey would still be waiting for his debut if Rafa was in charge. De La Valle hasn't exactly set the world alight at Fulham yet, and finally how would we have done any better this season without Stevie and Carra?

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02 Dec 2010 12:40:50
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Liverpool Rumours
No idea mate, i got told we where concentrating on defenders and a striker, no idea who though.

Macca
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Why? Even a blind man can see we need wingers before anything else.

MUSHROOM
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I think we should try out Glen Johnson on the right wing, could have the sam impact as Bale, both are useless defenders and that was the position both started at, it was only last year that Bale was going to go on loan to Nottingham Forrest, whats the worst that can happen?

Duck

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02 Dec 2010 12:38:28
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{ed's note - he brought in the style of football they play and had a big hand in building them up. But he was also unable to maintain the level they were at and removed because of this.}
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Is it not traditional for any Barcelona team to play a nice passing game of football?

In La Massia (their "academy") the players are always taught to play the formation the first-team currently play, and play a nice passing game of football as well as the movement etc.

That's what I thought.

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02 Dec 2010 12:31:56
P.s spelling ok for you this time? YOU DONUT
CHRIS

Mate please dear oh dear, No the spelling is not ok you DONUT, its spelt DOUGHNUT YOU DOUGHNUT wat a tool


Illiterate you pair of DOUGHNUTS it is WHAT not wat you TOOLS
i wish everyone would speak proper englund like wat i dus

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02 Dec 2010 12:26:31
Bob Loblaw {ed's note - he brought in the style of football they play and had a big hand in building them up. But he was also unable to maintain the level they were at and removed because of this

Cheers ed!

Bob Loblaw

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02 Dec 2010 12:25:27
Firstly I'd just like to thank Roy for having came to this club at such a difficult time.For me personally, it's a dream come true that we have this man in our camp.I've long admired his methodology.His works in Sweden, Denmark and at Inter speaks volumes.A statesman of great charisma, intelligence and wit, it truly is an honour having him lead our lads to battle.

Which brings me to my main point.I think Roy's been subjected to unjust and unwarranted criticism and abuse.
He was brought to steady things, and with quite a dreadful squad.He had a thin budget to work with.
But through his transfer market nous and impeccable eye for talent, was able to bring in the hugely talented but stupidly overrated Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen, a Danish international of immense experience at the game's highest level.
The fact that he managed to convince Juve to take a crocked Aquilani and sell him Poulsen at such a bargain price is testament to the man's ability.

It is under the mentorship of Christian and Paul that the Shelveys and Mavinga's will learn and grow to be great players.What these guys bring is priceless experience and guidance.So instead of busy moaning about them, be grateful that we have Christian and Paul (who I'm surprised isn't an intergral part of the English team).

As for Roy, he's done what he was briefed to do:bring calm and stability.And the last time I checked, we were number 9 on the log. .right where we ought to be.In fact I'd say that Roy's overachieving.The fact that we 6 six points behind spurs shows that.But still some folk are grizzling.
Christ, are you lot forgetting that at some stage we were in the bottom?And who took us out?Yeah, Roy.He's steadied the ship far better than I expected.

Also it's a pity that he didn't get all of his targets summer. .C Cole.L Young.Man.
And some people are crying the Spanish waiter.
Are forgetting that had he stayed, we would have most likely be minus Steven now, and would have likely added Van der Vaart, Martinez and the left back Lopez and kept Aquilani, Insua, Valle;Pacheco, Shelvey and Kelly would likely be featuring more and more?Do you realise that Carra would've went or had his appearances limited?
Are you aware that if the Spanish waiter had stayed, we'd probably be up there challenging?

So just be grateful that we have Roy, who's brought calm, stability and instilled in the boys that, indeed, they're good enough to finish midtable.And where we're right now is where Roy's can only have us.Really, should more be asked of the man.

People keen harping on about Barca football.Big deal, Stoke City vs Liverpool recently.Now we're talking.Roy masterminded something so unique and peculiar that left many reds dumbfounded.Now that was special, not that commonplace that gets dished out the Camp Nou.

Sadly, I think many will get their wish as Roy will be shafted in due course.But I'm gonna miss this all.It's been long since I laughed and got pissed off like I've been the last couple of months.

GOD KNOWS WHERE WE WOULD BE IF IT WEREN'T 4 ROY

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02 Dec 2010 11:56:28
Would anyone have owen coyle?

{Editor's Note: I think he would be a good choice, not my first choice, but a decent way forward. I assume you did mean as a manager?}

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02 Dec 2010 11:43:18
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I've seen people say we don't need to reinforce the defence, when it is quite clear that we do, maybe not at centre back - but definently in the full back positions. Skrtel is developing into Carragher's replacement nicely, but Agger's injuries mean that he cannot develop into the player we know he can be. I firmly believe that Agger and Skrtel should be our 1st choice defence - reminiscent of the Hyypia-Carragher partnership. At present, we have Carra and Soto as back up, with Kelly and Wilson, backing them up. If a CB is brought in, it should only be if one of the 1st 4 choices is sold.

It is in the full back positions we need to strengthen. Glen Johnson knows that he is the only natural right-back we have, so is not being pushed to perform at his best, Kelly is a handy back up, but we need another good right back to really push Glen. And at left back we are a shambles.
I can't understand some of Roy's decisions for left back. Firstly the loan/ sale of Milly Insua, Argentina's next left back until he got burnt out after playing 30-40 games. Milly has undoubted potential, but needed to work on his fitness and positioning, being 21 he has time on his side. Paul Konchesky is 29, and is in no way better than Milly (i'll leave it there about Paul). We also have Fabio Aurelio, who when fit is our best left back, good in attack and solid in defence. We also have Danny Wilson - who performed very well for Rangers at left back. All these players are solid, not great. Man U have Evra, Chelsea-Cole, Arsenal-Clichy/ Gibbs, Tottenham - Bale/ Ekkotu(sp.), Man City-Kolarov/ Boateng/ Bridge - our players at present are not in the same league as these players and until we improve these positions, we won't moved forward too fast.

Other than that I feel if as being reported we're in the race to sign Keisuke Honda, if Honda is brought we only need one more attacking player, whether a winger or striker. Meireles and Lucas look a good partnership, Maxi and Torres seem to be forming a understanding, and Gerrard and Torres have in the past been devastating. We have a lot of options in attack, but none of them are really playing well.

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02 Dec 2010 11:42:51
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Liverpool have given boss Roy Hodgson three games to save his job as they consider bringing in former Barcelona boss Frank Rijkaard.
Source : caughtoffside.com

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Sorry mate, Caught offside isn't a source. It's about as reliable as me. Quick question for anyone who watches allot of football particular Spanish (I know the original ED says he watches any game on TV so hopefully he can answer. How much credit can Frank Rijkaard take for the current Barcelona team? I don't watch allot of Spanish football but I have heard people say that Barcelona were in a terrible state when Rijkaard took over. Is that true and can he take any credit for getting them, or at least starting this current team, to where they are now. I know Guardiola and/ or current and recent presidents have bought recent players but Barca won things under Rijkaard. I like what he said after being beat by united in CL semi final when talking about the defensive style "If this is what it takes to be champions of European football then I don't want to be a part of it" or something like that anyway. It suggests he favours a more attacking fluent style which is something I, and other people in here, have complained about whilst managed by Hodgeson. However I don't know enough about Rijkaard to judge and I know he didn't really do anything in Turkey. Hopefully people can provide their opinions on him so I can make up my mind.

Bob Loblaw {ed's note - he brought in the style of football they play and had a big hand in building them up. But he was also unable to maintain the level they were at and removed because of this.}

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02 Dec 2010 11:40:25
02 Dec 2010 08:25:40
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Look I have seen everyone getting angry about us buying defenders. Here is how I see it and I'm glad were getting some.

Soto, Old, Slow and near the end of his career

Carra, Old, Slow but absolute legend, Also 3 months out (March)

Skrtel, Young (25) and Has a lot of premiership experience and getting so much better.

Agger, Injury Prone, Probably when fully fit is better than squirtle but that's the thing, when fit. He has back problems and is also out of favour with Woy.

Wilson, Young and will be great for the future of LFC

Kelly, Young but I see him playing at RB for his LFC Career.

As you can see only 2/ 3 Defenders that will still be playing in 2 years time, Cahill and Rami who are both 24 and already very good at Defending, Cahill is also amazing with his feet.


So no offence Ed, I respect you but I keep reading angry people about defenders when we barely have any FOR THE FUTURE,

Thanks please post this and I am an addict on this site lol

Ben LFC Since 1994

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Sorry Ben but I disagree.

You have missed the following:

Ayala - excellent - on loan to Hull
Wisdom - Looks fantastic but maybe a little too young at the moment for first team
Coady - England under 17 capt, again excellent but a little too young (just braking into reserves)
Flannigan - excellent prospect for full back (in tonights squad)
Robinson - excellent prospect for full back (in tonights squad)


This is a big dilemma for LFC, we have some excellent prospects coming through but demand success right away. If we buy then this will halt or delay our homegrown talent (eg Pacheco, etc)

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02 Dec 2010 11:40:08
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Lukas Podolski, what an addition he would be, hard working as well as bags of technical ability (and left footed). would love to see him at Liverpool playing along side Torres in a 4-4-2.

Anyone agree?

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02 Dec 2010 11:39:42
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Ed how long do you think it will be before NESV sack hodgson if they do sack him? Y.N.W.A {ed's note - the plan is to make the change after the season, though I am not sure it will be termed sacking when they do so.}

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the team are clearly going nowhere under woy and surely to wait until summer would make matters worse. why do you reckon they will wait til summer ed? {ed's note - there are loads of reasons to do so, amongst them keeping disruption to a minimum and the availability of replacements.}

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in your opinion, who would be best replacement?
Hiddink? don't think would go there and age doesn't fit with NESV policy.
Pellegrini? rumours were saying he got rejected on basis of not speaking English well enough.
Rijkaard? surely the most likely and imo the best. has some experience and is young enough. plays good attacking football.
Villa Boas? (whatever his name!) don't know much about him. ed - can you advise? hes young but what experience does he have?
O'Neill? ha ha ha . that's a backwards step from Woy. {ed's note - Rijkaard and Pellegrini have both been in talks and rejected by the club. Hiddink is not interested in managing in club football any more. O'Neill is worse than useless. I think it will be someone young and fresh, maybe Boas, he would fit the bill of the kind of man they want.}

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02 Dec 2010 11:34:19
I belive that we will buy at least 5 superstars in january, a mix of both old and new.
the sooner we are back in the top 4 the sooner NESV begin to recoup some of their money and start to make a profit.
I belive in 2 years all clubs will be restricted to how much they can spend on transfers with regards to how much profit they make, im not sure of the term for this sanction.
So in the next 3 transfer windows i belive their is going to be some serious money thrown at us, with both experienced and potential stars being drafted in.
we have to qualify for champions leauge football at the end of next season or we are in serious trouble, the foundations of a great team will be in place by the end of the transfer window january 2011 i can gaurentee it, it has to happen because if we don't and we don't increase stadium size or the anfield capacity we will never be able to compete with arsenal and scum.
NESV are a business and they knew all this before taking over there just playing it cute, so would I!
i also belive most of the transfers for january and the summer are almost done or they are already done and dusted.
Jaydee

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02 Dec 2010 11:32:35
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Lucas Leiva being tracked by Santos. The Brazilian side seems keen on bringing him back home. Now, I am one who has always stood by Lucas. I always believed he was the better half of the Masceratno-Lucas central midfield. However, if a big money offer came in, I wonder if Liverpool (Roy) would resist the temptation of selling him. How much more of an upside is there to this guy? Personally, after the Chelsea game I am convinced that on a stronger (Liverpool) team this guy can become as influential as Scholes (minus the goals). What do you think Mr. Ed? {ed's note - I don't see a need to sell him myself, unless Banega or Javi Martinez can come in to replace him.}

You mention the Chelsea game but fail to mention the 50 bad games he has had. Whilst we have players like him, Konchesky, Kryiackos, Poulson, Ngog, Jovanovic, Babbel and Woy we will be an average Prem team at best.
Chuck Derek in that lot as well.
Captain.

I agree, These lot need shipping out. Comparing Lucas as possibly as influential as scholes is one of the most hilarious things I have heard. Dont you mean as influential as coals on a sunny day!
And I don't want to even start on Konchesky, this guy makes Insua look like Ashley Cole!
REEGSLFC

Completely wrong Lucas has played well, you just don't appreciate him because he's and attacking mid in a defensive role and you all jump on his back if he dosen't play atleast 10 long Xabi Alonso passes in a game.

Im Matt Wollacott,
and I like pie.

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02 Dec 2010 11:31:40
Woy has 3 games left to save his job, NESV look to Rijkaard to take over.

fingers crossed it happens.

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So this means you want Liverpool to lose the next 3 games. What sort of supporter are you?

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 11:28:10
Lucas was the better half of Mascherano/ Lucas CM pairing! dear god man, what have you been drinking or smoking? we had best get on phone to Barcelona to see if they would like our CM maestro Lucas to pair up with him again. Should be £20m plus in the transfer kitty!
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I'm with you mate. Lucas gets a lot of undeserved stick. This guy is extremely underated in my opinion. If he is left to plat CM rather than a holding role, he will come into his own.

MUSHROOM

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02 Dec 2010 11:26:35
Hey Ed, was just wondering whether yourself, Macca or Blair Mayne ever post on the Liverpool forum? People are soiling themselves at the possibility of Rijkaard still being our next manager and would love one of you three to set them straight! {ed's note - I only post on these sites mate, I barely have time to keep up editing these, let alone post elsewhere!}

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02 Dec 2010 11:11:02
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Lucas Leiva being tracked by Santos. The Brazilian side seems keen on bringing him back home. Now, I am one who has always stood by Lucas. I always believed he was the better half of the Masceratno-Lucas central midfield. However, if a big money offer came in, I wonder if Liverpool (Roy) would resist the temptation of selling him. How much more of an upside is there to this guy? Personally, after the Chelsea game I am convinced that on a stronger (Liverpool) team this guy can become as influential as Scholes (minus the goals). What do you think Mr. Ed? {ed's note - I don't see a need to sell him myself, unless Banega or Javi Martinez can come in to replace him.}

You mention the Chelsea game but fail to mention the 50 bad games he has had. Whilst we have players like him, Konchesky, Kryiackos, Poulson, Ngog, Jovanovic, Babbel and Woy we will be an average Prem team at best.
Chuck Derek in that lot as well.
Captain.

I agree, These lot need shipping out. Comparing Lucas as possibly as influential as scholes is one of the most hilarious things I have heard. Dont you mean as influential as coals on a sunny day!
And I don't want to even start on Konchesky, this guy makes Insua look like Ashley Cole!
REEGSLFC

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Lucas was the better half of Mascherano/ Lucas CM pairing! dear god man, what have you been drinking or smoking? we had best get on phone to Barcelona to see if they would like our CM maestro Lucas to pair up with him again. Should be £20m plus in the transfer kitty!

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02 Dec 2010 11:07:47
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p.s spelling ok for you this time? YOU DONUT
CHRIS

Mate please dear oh dear, No the spelling is not ok you DONUT, its spelt DOUGHNUT YOU DOUGHNUT wat a tool.

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02 Dec 2010 10:58:36
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You mention the Chelsea game but fail to mention the 50 bad games he has had. Whilst we have players like him, Konchesky, Kryiackos, Poulson, Ngog, Jovanovic, Babbel and Woy we will be an average Prem team at best.
Chuck Derek in that lot as well.
Captain


i gree with all other players b ut lucas i agree with the othe falla, i was his biggest crictic up untiill this season, all players say he is somthin else in training and this season u see somthin mor from him, i say give him another season or 2 but i wouldn't be playing him in every game, he should be the type ov player trying to burst into the team, but id say he is 1 ov the better players at liverpool at the minute.

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02 Dec 2010 10:49:03
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Its a done deal he has already made his plan and submitted it to NESV and Damien Comolli Honda is gonna be the first of many young talented signings Steven Gerrard and torres where left out of Liverpool's Europa League match at Utrecht earlier this year cause they where showing Rijkaard round melwood
source: inside anfield ed will back me up i broke this on this site weeks before it came out in the press watch this space

red ramy 2007
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02 Dec 2010 10:06:42
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Liverpool have given boss Roy Hodgson three games to save his job as they consider bringing in former Barcelona boss Frank Rijkaard.
Source : caughtoffside.com

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02 Dec 2010 10:48:46
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Ed - just a quick brainstorm! Do you think if England win the 2018 bid that Liverpool and the whole idea of the new stadium will profit from it. Do you know any information on whether we will be under pressure to build in Stanley Park or will the F.A assist us on this?

Thanks,

karl.

{Editor's Note: The stadium issue is on hold - but obviously if England win teh bid it is likely there would be a different perspective and other considerations.}

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02 Dec 2010 10:44:11
Just tel ppl who think we still have a lot of player from our 2008-2009 season are wrong. Our team has massivly changed.

Hyppia  - Hypia is massive better then Soto
Arbeloa -Arbrloa is a much better fall back
Alonso - Aquilani/ Lucas (only because of Aquilani's injury Lucas is there) but again Alonso different class.
Riera - Jova, regardless of what Riera done, he's a better player than Jova on current showing.
Meireles - Aquilani has more ability but is injury prone so it levels itself out.
Mascherano - Poulsen, Mascherano different class
Benayoun - Cole, on so fars showing Yossi was a better player
Insua - Knochesky and insua both crap. Auerlio should play there.

That's 9 first team players. Amazing how weak we have become

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02 Dec 2010 10:44:10
02 Dec 2010 10:06:36
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"The Madness of King Roy 3"

I have to agree on all mentioned including Gritters in London lol.

Why is it David Beckham always leads Englands this that and the other! Where doe's he live again?? along with his pencil of a wife.

Surely Stevie G as Captain of England should have been taken along to speak?

Still same old Manure this Manure that forgot their the only team to have won anything! ! Suprised old whisky nose didn't go seeing has Bobby "1 worldcup" and i'll live off that Charlton went!

Lee73

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02 Dec 2010 10:06:36
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"The Madness of King Roy 3"

World Cup and who is really - I mean really - bothered?
We have the Olympics (and In London we are paying extra for it on our Council Tax) . . . which incidentally, still didn't help get any gritters out in London and Surrey yesterday! But the whole country can't cope with a spoonful of snow and yet we are more concerned with the World Cup.

Beckham's PR men have mastered the media and his name appears even before Prince William in any mention of our bid. Strange. He may be a football icon, but here lies the "Madness" in this message.

Why are we having 'final presentations' for the bid this morning?
Surely these guys have made up their minds?
Did they not spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, Euros and pounds trotting round the locations in the past three years and checking the venues and facilities?
If they did - are they going to be persuaded by Beckham in his daft suit and other last minute words?
If this is true, then what a waste of time and money.

I'm a football fan of 48 years standing, but I've never been interested in the World Cup coming to the UK. Doesn't generate the excitement anyway for the TV generation. TV has removed the need to travel (and go to many games?) and so the World Cup will be for those who can get tickets and the rest of us to watch on TV. Therefore, we can watch it if it's in Spain or Peru or Fiji!

Too much time and money spent chasing dreams and from those dreams has sprung corruption. FIFA is a disgraceful operation and I don't ant to be allied to it.

Beckham is working his socks off to get a knighthood and his PR men are rubbing their corporate financial hands.

If it all comes down to a short presentation this morning - why bother with the preceding 38 months of research that has cost us all time and money?

Steve Parker

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02 Dec 2010 09:45:01
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Woy has 3 games left to save his job, NESV look to Rijkaard to take over.

fingers crossed it happens.

elnino9

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02 Dec 2010 09:19:49
Looking through yesterdays banter I noticed someone suggested Carragher as our next manager and this was laughed off by one of the Eds. Why?
It may be a few years early at the moment but Carra is a great student of the game and a natural leader and motivator. I for one can see him being a future Liverpool manager.

Harry J

{Editor's Note: He suggested he took over in January - read the posts please.}

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02 Dec 2010 09:18:53
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Sorry to disagree ED and others, but we're one injury away from a defensive crisis.

Heaven forbid should one of tonight's back four get a knock, we're down to bare bones

That the fabulous Martin Kelly is getting first team action as a fullback says as much about the lack of options as it does his versatility

What's interesting is that the rumours focus on centre backs, when we're weaker at full back.

Whether Konchesky will ever make the grade I don't know, but most fans seemed happy to enough to say goodbye to Aurelio last season, and the fact that he's making a rare start tonight again reinforces the lack options.

Any further set back tonight and we're down to the b are b ones or even recalling a loanee

Of the rumours, Adil Rami looks a better bet than Cahill, but I'm not convinced about the strength of the rumour. Sakho's another, but like Rami he'd probably need a longer acclimatisation period, so again Cahill or the like would be preferred January options; Rami, sakho better bets for the summer.
No idea on full backs, not heard of anything particularly credible for Jan. Good news for Kelly but let's see what joys tonight brings

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02 Dec 2010 09:02:06
Without SG we looked better in Midfield than for a while. Lucas when played in his natural position going forward was much better. Let's keep it like that with Meireles in the centre and bring SG back to play with Fernando in front of them?

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02 Dec 2010 08:57:46
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RE Luis Garcia rumours. He does not fit the bill anymore despite our fond affections of him. He was good for us but blew hot and cold. He is 32 now and that is not in the mold of players the owners like to sign. . no resale value, no real shirt sales etc. Even at 1.5-2.5 M this is not good business and that is what NESV are about. Return on investment! I wish Luis all the best but do not think he is for us anymore. If we went for this why not buy back Danny Murphy? Similar age with an eye for a pass and goals against the Mancs!

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02 Dec 2010 08:25:40
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Look I have seen everyone getting angry about us buying defenders. Here is how I see it and I'm glad were getting some.

Soto, Old, Slow and near the end of his career

Carra, Old, Slow but absolute legend, Also 3 months out (March)

Skrtel, Young (25) and Has a lot of premiership experience and getting so much better.

Agger, Injury Prone, Probably when fully fit is better than squirtle but that's the thing, when fit. He has back problems and is also out of favour with Woy.

Wilson, Young and will be great for the future of LFC

Kelly, Young but I see him playing at RB for his LFC Career.

As you can see only 2/ 3 Defenders that will still be playing in 2 years time, Cahill and Rami who are both 24 and already very good at Defending, Cahill is also amazing with his feet.


So no offence Ed, I respect you but I keep reading angry people about defenders when we barely have any FOR THE FUTURE,

Thanks please post this and I am an addict on this site lol

Ben LFC Since 1994

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02 Dec 2010 08:17:48
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This site has turned into a honda "will he won't he sign"debate! Fans are fighting with the editor and all kinds! Chillout people! Brighter times are gonna come!
As for the mighty reds i live in the next road to the former reserves team captain (now at notts county on loan) and i see him quite abit as hes a mate from skool. he never usually tells anybody anything about whats going on at the club but he did tell me to expect some very good players to be signing! By the way im not saying his name for a reason as ill let u figure it out

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02 Dec 2010 05:22:32
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Ed is it snowing in romania? did you watch that poznan vs juventus game and the young boys vs stuttgart game? shocking

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02 Dec 2010 05:11:25
Who reckons we should play the 4-3-3 formation? i'm tired of a seeing poor Torres upfront by himself and getting blamed for the teams lack of goals. .even with N'Gog by his side, it still seems like he's doing most of the work and getting blamed because N'Gog is still is apprentice . .and Gerrard is the GREATEST midfielder of his time in my opinion so can we please get him back to that spot. .its time to shake of the Benitez era and MOVE on!

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I agree , LFC have only really ever played with 1 striker during Rafa Benitez's time , and although it was regrettably forced upon him early in his time at LFC , he then dedicated his strategy to it for 6 years , hard to imagine the boot room picking a team with 1 striker , yet Roy Hodgson now playing 4-4-2 might win alot of fans over by playing with more guts and creativity in the final third using 2 strikers . Roy Hodgson has always played 4-4-2 in his managerial career and certainly Anfield ought to have a team with 2 strikers playing on a match day .

I actually believe the more the players understand Roy hodgson's team work and how he wants them to defend the more he will permit them creative license and freedom to express themselves , even introducing much more attacking players into the starting 11 than we have been seeing from him thus far as they will all be singing from the same hymm sheet , even the great LFC sides defended to a man , defending from the front getting 8 or 9 players goal side scrambling for possesion until the ball was won on the front foot .

I hope Roy Hodgson's side continue to progress with greater success .

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02 Dec 2010 03:13:40
So chris has a blue print of january incomings? but he/ they can't spell kranjcar

It was obviously a typo, what does mis-spelling ONE letter in ONE name anything to do with me not knowing or having an opinion on who I'D LIKE TO SEE AT the team I SUPPORT. .c'mon mate, get a life. .
p.s spelling ok for you this time? YOU DONUT
CHRIS

Don't worry about it chris mate, he's probably a tottenham s* tespurs supporter!

RedKev

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02 Dec 2010 02:57:31
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Who reckons we should play the 4-3-3 formation? i'm tired of a seeing poor Torres upfront by himself and getting blamed for the teams lack of goals. .even with N'Gog by his side, it still seems like he's doing most of the work and getting blamed because N'Gog is still is apprentice . .and Gerrard is the GREATEST midfielder of his time in my opinion so can we please get him back to that spot. .its time to shake of the Benitez era and MOVE on!

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02 Dec 2010 02:45:27
So chris has a blue print of january incomings? but he/ they can't spell kranjcar

It was obviously a typo, what does mis-spelling ONE letter in ONE name anything to do with me not knowing or having an opinion on who I'D LIKE TO SEE AT the team I SUPPORT. .c'mon mate, get a life. .
p.s spelling ok for you this time? YOU DONUT
CHRIS

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02 Dec 2010 02:36:53
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This site has turned into a honda "will he won't he sign"debate! Fans are fighting with the editor and all kinds! Chillout people! Brighter times are gonna come!
As for the mighty reds i live in the next road to the former reserves team captain (now at notts county on loan) and i see him quite abit as hes a mate from skool. he never usually tells anybody anything about whats going on at the club but he did tell me to expect some very good players to be signing! By the way im not saying his name for a reason as ill let u figure it out

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02 Dec 2010 01:34:45
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Who knows , maybe if LFC try to sign Scott Dann , Paul Konchesky could be used as part exchange as Liam Ridgewell would be the natural centre back successor to Dann at Birmingham .

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02 Dec 2010 01:30:32
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02 Dec 2010 00:25:06
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Would NESV back us for any player we wanted?

Mate we are supporters not owners. If you want to pull the strings you should have forked out the 300 million pounds.
Ozdave

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02 Dec 2010 01:19:14
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On the subject of Lucas , I think we should be keeping such players to allow for as smooth a transition from from one regime to the next . Lucas has been at our club now for some time , is an excellent player and can only improve on his recent excellent performances , even now new signings can see from him how to go about there business at Anfield - quietly and determinedly . He looks like a good Liverpool Football Club man .

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02 Dec 2010 00:40:46
My team and score prediction below . I wrote Spearing when all the time I was sure I was writing Shelvey , maybe I wrote both and deleted the wrong one , well you get the point . Good luck tonight LFC .

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02 Dec 2010 00:38:41
Remember the kick-off tonight is '1800 hrs' and is live on ESPN .

Good luck to the young players , they come before new signings .

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02 Dec 2010 00:29:31
Good Luck to LFC tonight .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . .Kelly. .Kyrgiakos. .Wilson. .Aurelio. . . .

Pacheco. . Spearing. . .Poulsen. . Eccleston

. . . . . . . . .Babel. . . .Jovanovic. . . . . . .


Score prediction - LFC to win 0 - 1 .

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02 Dec 2010 00:14:05
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LFC should make some changes and rebuilding the club:
-having a great coach
-not buying normal players in a high bids
imp. . buying great players
-playing 4-4-2 or even 4-4-3
-selling many players and buying word class players in all positions
-hope in our heart
definately, we will be the champs. .

Mido

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02 Dec 2010 00:09:41
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ED
did you or anyone else watch the f.a cup draw? i can't work it out, both us and everton were in the pot gallagher picked from, and they were the away team, how? we never had a chance to get a home draw why? or how? im confused mate did i miss somthing? bob paisleys skids {ed's note - I didn't see it mate, sorry. I thought it was all the teams in one big pot for the FA Cup draw?}

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02 Dec 2010 00:09:18
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Note: ola toivonen scored 2 for psv tonight, anybody see the goals? he hasnt been mentoned for a while.

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02 Dec 2010 00:03:10
So chris has a blue print of january incomings? but he/ they can't spell kranjcar

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