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02 Aug 2015 23:08:00
Congratulations to the new father Tiago Ilori. Was wondering why we hadn't seen him in training.
03 Aug 2015 21:09:01
I hope for his sake he can get his future sorted wherever that may be (hopefully with us) but I think its for the best he gets settled now for a while
02 Aug 2015 22:55:18
Hey Eds, if you're around, are we still trying to get Ilori a loan (despite 'promising' a chance at the first team)?
If so, are there any clubs interested?
Assuming that's why there's been no sign of him in training and this weekend.
{Ed002's Note - I would need to ask, but Liverpool are aware they have a numbers issue and will be working it over the coming weeks. I would not get wrapped up in the promises made.}
03 Aug 2015 07:32:33
OK, thanks Ed, just hoping he's given a proper chance either way.
BRs comments yesterday about the defense a tad worrying, but unfortunately unsurprising
{Ed001's Note - what did he say? I haven't had a chance to catch his comments yet.}
03 Aug 2015 08:20:22
I think he praised the defense and migs eds. Which is worry when he says they only had one shot on our goal, well when your playing a league two club it's not really a barometer of how good we are
Same old defensive season coming and you kbow what we looked better defensively on Sunday with what Brendan thinks is our bteam.
Lucas superb, sakho solid, can and texi very good.
Not that the Saturday team wasn't good but tbh I would prefer Saturdays teams and our home team and Sundays team as the away tram with a few players floating between them
{Ed001's Note - I really hope Teixeira gets his chance this season, but I can't see it happening.}
03 Aug 2015 08:44:20
Hi Ed.
BR says he knows the importance of a settled CB pairing, and relishes we didn't have stability in the back last season due to it chopping and changing so often. He said that the defensive pair should be decisive and confident!
Go figure, no shoot Sherlock!
Wasn't this his own making?
{Ed001's Note - that is an odd comment to make when he was the one who chose to do most of the chopping and changing. Buzz word Brendan strikes again. It was so nice having a summer with his gob shut, I just wish it would stay that way during the season too!}
03 Aug 2015 13:35:41
Ha, you and everyone else Ed
I won't copy and paste from the source, but essentially he's reported to have said; (i) that he's not sure about who will start alongside Skrtel this season; (ii) it's not something he's decided yet, and; (iii) he'll look at it with the staff this week.
Give me strength!
{Ed001's Note - you would think he would have some idea by now, but then he continues to pick Skrtel so clearly does have no idea.....}
02 Aug 2015 21:36:11
For those who watched the games the last 2 days, what formation did we come out in? Also, did the link up between Benteke and Firmino look fluid? Thanks
02 Aug 2015 22:44:12
Was at the Swindon game today, nothing to get excited about.
Emre can was good, by far our best player.
Benteke & texeria looked decent.
And ojo & Kent looked handy.
Moreno & markovic were useless, Lucas off the pace.
Firmino didn't do anything.
03 Aug 2015 00:42:55
Lucas was awesome. Don't know what game you were watching. Firmino worked hard. I would confidently say with Firmino benteke coutinho sturridge in our attack we could be quite a threat going forward.
Teixeira is class. I hope he finds his chances. Moreno and markovic had rough games but I thought they showed signs of encouragement.
03 Aug 2015 10:43:19
To be fair, I was not pleased with lucas either - he looked a little rusty, too slow on occasions. He did his job, mind, but I am used to more, there were some worrying signs.
Emre was good as usual, I really, really liked what I saw of Tex, and really, really hope he will get his chance - but he won't, there is no point kidding, BR is showing signs he does not rate him already.
Moreno to me looked really good, solid pass, moved into spaces, bombed forward, I was really happy with him - and then came the goal, and it was mainly his fault not covering the player well. Typical for him really - he needs to sit down and work on the defensive aspects of his game. A question for ed01 - do you think that Joe Gomez might actually be in contention for a starting berth on the left, and are there any updates on Digne? This will be the make of break season for Alberto in my opinion, if he shows some solidity in his defensive game he could be our LB for years to come, but if he keeps making costly mistakes he is likely to lose his place.
Wow, that was a rant. Onto other players - encouraging displays from the young Alexander on RB, one for the future. Same with Kent, I was disappointed with the last cameo I saw from him, but he showed class this time. I think he would do better in the middle, he is very agile, not sure if he is much of a winger. Disappointed not to see Rossiter. Chirivella looks too small to be a proper DM for me, so I am pessimistic about his future, but I have not actually watched him play, so who cares.
Markovich continues to baffle me - he has all the right abilities, he showed his immense quality again, but his shot is HORRIFIC, and his final ball is lacking. It seems BR has given up on him, with Lallana and Ibe being ahead in the queue - a real shame. Huge potential, but it seems the manager is clueless how to develop it.
What else. Benteke was class, his pressing did not continue for long, but he is still getting to fitness. He showed willingness to try in some patches. Firmino will be immense once he gels with the team, I think he will be the most important transfer for the club in the last few years. Fingers crossed.
Bogdan was terrible,the central defence did not impress me hugely.
Rant over, peace out!
{Ed001's Note - I expect Gomez will be the back up, as Enrique is completely unwanted.}
02 Aug 2015 20:20:31
Arsenal fan here, we have just had one of your fans on our page and he thinks your going to take utds place in the top 4, now I think this is a joke, and he also said your bigger than any club in England, which is another joke maybe in the 80s yes but u haven't won a league title for 20+years and won't win one while Iam alive, and I'd like to ask you all a serious question, do u get embarrassed with the fans that say this is our year every year but u always fall short very short
02 Aug 2015 20:53:43
Do you get embarrassed of all those selfies your players are taking or the thousands of similarly opined fans you have on twitter?
There will always be people who have strong opinions. Why did you feel the need to ask such an inane question here?
02 Aug 2015 20:55:44
Not really. It will be "our year" at some stage but i would not come harping onto this page about deluded Liverpool fans. Its a fair while since Arsenal won the league and even longer the European Cup. Remind me how long that has been??
02 Aug 2015 20:58:55
Yeah and Arsenals cabinet is bursting?
02 Aug 2015 21:02:38
It is what it is . Your knocking on 12 yr now also . U must have been a pup when you last won it . Remember your not a big club unless u got any ⭐️On your name . So basically in your adult supporting life you've saw no top honor . Forget the this year rubbish , it's other fans who make that up , we will be good this year . Top 4 I'd say . We wasn't that far off it last yr with no striker . Remedied that .
02 Aug 2015 21:05:07
Strange. I had a high opinion of Arsenal fans, and a grudging admiration for the way your club is run, even though I hated your guts when I first started watching football.
Silly on my part, I guess.
02 Aug 2015 21:06:14
Thats why we fall "very short" you say? So that's why we missed out on the title by two points a couple of years back and that's why we missed out by four points a few years before that. When was the last time arsenal mounted a title challenge?
Oh and btw we are the biggest club in England. Not one of us get embarrassed by those comments
02 Aug 2015 21:09:16
bit rich from an arsenal fan ain't it, its only recent times you won your first trophy in a decade lol and about getting in the champions league youve got in 17 years straight now right . how many times have u won it? .
02 Aug 2015 21:13:45
In a word, yes.
02 Aug 2015 21:16:17
Yes! Read my post further down the page for clarification.
02 Aug 2015 21:22:45
In case you wanted to look at a real trophy case;
League Champions
1900-01, 1905-06, 1921-22, 1922-23, 1946-47, 1963-64, 1965-66, 1972-73, 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86, 1987-88, 1989-90
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Trophy Cabinet
European Cup Winners
1976-77, 1977-78, 1980-81, 1983-84, 2004-05
5
FA Cup Winners
1964-65, 1973-74, 1985-86, 1988-89, 1991-92, 2000-01, 2005-06
7
Trophy Cabinet
League Cup Winners
1980-81, 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1994-95, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2011-12
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Trophy Cabinet
UEFA Cup Winners
1972-73, 1975-76, 2000-01
3
European Super Cup Winners
1977, 2001, 2005
3
Super Cup Winners
1985-86
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FA Charity Shield Winners
1964*, 1965*, 1966, 1974, 1976, 1977*, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1986*, 1988, 1989, 1990*, 2001, 2006 ( * shared)
15
Division Two Winners
1893-94, 1895-96, 1904-05, 1961-62
4
Lancashire League Winners
1892-93
1
Carlsberg Trophy
1997-98, 1998-99, 1999-2000
3
Reserve Division One Winners
1956-57, 1968-69, 1969-70, 1970-71, 1972-73, 1973-74, 1974-75, 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1980-81, 1981-82, 1983-84, 1984-85, 1989-90, 1999-2000, 2007-08
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Barclays Reserves National Champions
2007-08
1
FA Youth Cup Winners
1995-96, 2005-06, 2006-07
3
02 Aug 2015 21:26:56
Embarrassing for Gooners
02 Aug 2015 21:35:09
So we won't win the league in your live time? What a pity you'll be dead before next may then. 😉
02 Aug 2015 21:44:57
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would visit another club page.
Word of advice mate, don't fall for it.
Anyway, there are idiots in every club.
You're wrong when you say that we fall verybshort after nearly winning the league, but hey, that's history and we all know Liverpool fans aren't supposed to talk about that.
02 Aug 2015 21:46:03
The only fans that should be embarrassed are your fans I do recall only 8 months ago the gunners booing there team and manger off the pitch .get your ducks in line son before you start chirping .oh and one other point when did you last win the European cup .two FA cups in ten years is shite we've won more than that and were in the shite so everyone tells us .
02 Aug 2015 22:12:17
I take it all back! Arsenal have already done the treble! The Emirates Cup, Barclays Asia Trophy and the Community Shield. I just wish we could trade all 18 of our league titles for these!😉
02 Aug 2015 22:14:42
Oh god, Arsenal win a community shield and the fans already think they're in contention for the title😂
02 Aug 2015 22:11:51
There are 2 clubs in England who are miles ahead of the rest in terms of size, Liverpool and United.
Others may have better teams at the moment, others may have more recent success and others may have more money but you can't escape the facts
Despite no title for 20+ years it's still Liverpool who are with United and then the rest
Suck it up
{Ed002's Note - Huddersfield Town in the 20s and 30s were as big as Liverpool were in the 1970s - similar time gap Chris. You need to get over this "size" issue - as your wife told you, it's not the meat it's the motion.}
02 Aug 2015 23:05:34
Crybaby, you must be on that stuff our owner said they smoke a lot of at the emirates. You've won a pathetic two trophies in over a decade and you will NEVER win the league again because your club isn't interested in winning or challenging for it. Every year, your manager talks about a title challenge yet by Feb, you are already vying for your annual top four trophy and you've got the nerve to mouth off about LFC because you won your second trophy in over a decade. You run your mouth about playing in the CL each year YET you don't have one in your name while other "big" clubs like Forest with two and Villa with one have the big star on their crest. You are a deluded fan who comes to other clubs' pages to run your mouth. Memo to deluded gunner: LFC can screw up till the end, you are not in our class when it comes to trophies and European pedigree. We have EIGHT European trophies to your one. FIVE CL trophies to your NONE. And more league titles than you. We haven't won the PL in over two decades yet we are still ahead of you on that count. What does that say about your club? If you haven't won the CL, you are not a big club. Got it? Good!
03 Aug 2015 00:00:38
Anyone else hoping we make top 4 at the expense of arsenal now?
03 Aug 2015 00:02:56
i strongly suspect crybaby may not be a gooner
03 Aug 2015 05:42:45
Sorry Ed002 but that is utter nonsense
{Ed001's Note - Blackpool were bigger than us at one time too. It is not nonsense Chris, it is simply the way it is. You only stay a big club by winning big trophies, particularly the league.}
03 Aug 2015 08:09:03
Eds, I don't agree with your interpretation of what it means to be a big club.
So when City won their second EPL, did that suddenly make them bigger than Liverpool? Despite the fact they still can't even sell out half of a big stadium in another continent? Being a big club comes down to a lot more than recent trophy success.
{Ed001's Note - no one said that suddenly made them bigger, but it does close the gap, and each year we fail to win the Prem and they are up there competing for it, the gap will get smaller. If they start having success in Europe, they will soon catch us up, as the next generation are already shifting over. When you go outside of the UK, you will see that being with Warrior in recent years (and I have little doubt the issue will remain with New Balance too) has hurt us badly. Kids in other countries end up being given another team's shirt, because the parents can't buy a Liverpool one as no one stocks Warrior products. That is a few year's of young kids not being exposed to Liverpool around the world, and it will affect us if we are not able to turn their heads back our way with trophies.}
03 Aug 2015 09:48:40
I would argue it's even more volatile than that. If you look at the attendances in Asia for the pre-season following our 'nearly year' compared to this pre-season you can see the fall off.
Yes, they blamed it on bad advertising, but I don't buy that. Asia, where there is big merchandising potential, is in danger of passing us by if we don't perform in the league.
03 Aug 2015 10:26:44
I agree with you there Ed, I guess I ironically misinterpreted what you and ed2 2 were saying. We do need to pick up our game though.
{Ed001's Note - it is worrying, especially as we are handicapped by our choice of kit manufacturers. Whatever the money on offer, the lack of exposure around the world due to no one being able to buy a kit is a massive disadvantage.}
03 Aug 2015 11:05:00
LFc fans
Before we start listing trophies won over a period of time, let's reign ourselves in so we don't look slightly stupid.
Yes, our record is absolutely phenomenal and we can quite rightly held ourselves up there as the most successful English Club ever.
That's no good to my Son, or daughter.
since our CL triumph in Istanbul we have won the League Cup, that's it.
I remember at school laughing at UTD fans who would tell me they were the best team in England - they weren't, we were
Just keep in perspective how long it has been since we have genuinely competed on a consistent basis.
Over confidence and hyping ourselves up breeds expectation, when expectations aren't met then that's when people start calling for heads to roll.
need to be realistic over where we are now - we are not the LFC of the 70s and 80s and to measure ourselves against them will result in only one outcome - always falling short.
I myself would be extremely happy for a top 4 finish and a Cup win - although I see both as being particularly hard to achieve
02 Aug 2015 19:43:59
How tightly are Chelsea being held back by ffp eds? All the pundits saying Chelsea are the team to beat etc but I see them struggling this year, especially if Costa is injured for much of year!
{Ed002's Note - They have to comply like everyone else. They are working on a number of further transfers but won't buy if the right players are not available.}
02 Aug 2015 20:18:18
Just saw the highlights and they need a RW desperately. Ramirez isn't good over there.
02 Aug 2015 20:48:39
What about Man U? Their spending has gone through the roof in the last two seasons! I expect my lack of knowledge on the subject is preventing me from seeing the reason here
{Ed001's Note - they have a huge income to fund the spending.}
02 Aug 2015 21:55:15
I would assume that their income is mainly this new massive kit deal?
{Ed002's Note - Of course not. Money from competition, sponsorships, TV, through the gate are all significant.}
03 Aug 2015 01:21:00
I hate to say this DaRedMan - but ManU are / were far advanced on commercial deals than we ever were - we had Carlsberg at the end of a contract and as we didn't have anyone lined up so accepted a circa £7m a season deal - I believe Spurs were getting nearly 3 times that - ManU have 75k seats + have been in Europe more than us in the last 20 seasons - it hurts but some other clubs know how to do business better than us!
03 Aug 2015 08:12:48
Hoola, put it down to the fact that Man Utd were lucky to become successful at a more opportune time. With the boom of technology and globalisation in the 90s, Man Utd used their new-found success to their advantage and exploited the new global era.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is simply not true. A huge part of Man Utd's global success is due to the sad loss of the Busby Babes, before they could achieve the success their potential was suggesting. With the media coverage surrounding it, the reporters, understandably, end up with a soft spot for a club that suffered such heartache and that was passed on through the coverage it engendered. That was why they became the biggest name in English football, why they would always be a huge name, no matter how much more successful other clubs became. That what it was always there hanging over the coverage of Liverpool's dominance. The recent era of success just amplified the effect.}
03 Aug 2015 11:10:12
Ed 001 - I've never seen anyone reply to the subject like that but IMO you are completely spot on.
It was as if the start of the EPL was to knock LFC off their perch (to use an ORN phrase) - even when we were dominant reporting was more often than not given over more to Man Utd than LFC.
I think people also underestimate what we, as a club, were going through when the Premier League was formed. We had far more important issues to focus on.
Yes, someone at the club should have had the foresight to see the way the game was going but we seemed adamant it wouldn't last and we would be dominant again - by the time realisation dawned it was too late.
03 Aug 2015 07:07:15
are Chelsea even held back by ffp at all? i think they are probably one of the best financially, just my opinion anyway.
{Ed002's Note - No, they have no concerns - but of course have to comply.}
03 Aug 2015 08:36:52
Thanks for that Ed002! I assume they'll never really worry too much about FFP then?
02 Aug 2015 18:37:41
Here we go with the MASSIVE overreacting! Just enjoy the goals and don't start building people up only to knock them down later, directed at the posts below by the way.
02 Aug 2015 19:27:25
Quite right Waro!
We can only cope with MASSIVE over reacting when the posts are negative. Please no positive posts.
02 Aug 2015 20:06:49
It's not positivity though is it Ronald, it's a total overreaction to a very good goal against a league 1 team, and the overreaction to ojo scoring! Yet again the new breed of fan who goes right over the top about a goal or performance which makes Liverpool fans look like right tools, I call them the THISISOURYEAR crew which judging by your posts recently and in general Ronnie your a founder member.
Why people can't keep things in perspective is beyond me, take it as encouraging and just see if things pan out! Now it's just gone 8 Ronald, bath time, get your BR PJ's on and snuggle down under your BR duvet and dream about the both of you locked in a sweet embrace on a sandy beach under a palm tree. N-night Ronald N-night.
02 Aug 2015 20:20:07
Waro
Regardless of the team we played the goal was a stunner and its 10/10 against any top flight team.
You just cannot bully the man as his physical presence is quite simply brilliant.
02 Aug 2015 20:45:08
These replies are turning so bitter and twisted that I thought I'd logged in to the Everton pages.
02 Aug 2015 20:48:39
I was happy for Dojo to get his goal. It may not have been burst the net goal but he got himself in the position and put enough behind it to make sure even though the keeper got a hand to it it still went in. I agree waro that we can't get carried away with individual performances against Swindon.
02 Aug 2015 21:20:38
Which replys Davey? Not Ronalds i'd wager, when he pops up your never far behind, the BR boys brigade, who's on the flute and who's on the drum davey?
02 Aug 2015 21:29:24
The negative posts are generally massive over reactions. As soon as there is something positive Weiss keep a lid on it.
This is my point. If you want perspective, I suggest you try reading the negative posts too.
02 Aug 2015 22:03:05
I feel sorry for Waro and the like, it's going to be a very difficult season for him.
02 Aug 2015 23:07:27
Got to agree with Waro again here. Scoring a goal in a friendly so means nothing.
Waro might come across as a negative poster but is obviously a guy that cares about the club so you should show him a bit of respect
02 Aug 2015 23:09:17
And for you too, Ron if your golden boy screws up because if he does, it will be interesting to see what pathetic excuses you will make for him because we all know you are his BFF till the end.
03 Aug 2015 00:46:41
Had 'the big man'scored that goal in my back yard whilst pissed up at one of my barbies,it was still a f***king beauty so enjoy the good times 'Waro',you'll have plenty of opportunities to spout shite in the coming months no doubt !!!
03 Aug 2015 02:06:27
I know you can't tell people what to say but i know where waro is coming from.
Its never a balanced opinion/mood on this site. Its either the end of the world or the best week in liverpools history. It just comes across as childish, petulant, and really shallow, and the constant mood swings just lead to abuse and arguments for the eds to deal with.
Maybe if everyone was better at 'keeping it in their trousers' so to speak, and actually thought out what they were saying before they said it, the site would be a lot more tolerable during a peak/trough and we'd all stop getting slagged off by rival fans for looking like idiots.
03 Aug 2015 07:09:27
Sad to want LFC to fail just so you can say "I told you so" about Rodgers.
Very sad.
{Ed001's Note - I doubt any Liverpool fan wants that. Personally I would love to be sat here in ten years time with you telling me 'I told you so' about Rodgers as we discuss if we bought the right players to retain the title. Sadly though, I really don't think that will happen, I think it is more likely we will end up discussing whether it was the correct decision to sack Rodgers or if FSG should have given him more time, at some point this season or next summer.}
02 Aug 2015 18:36:44
Thought the performance against Swindon was solid untill 80 mins. Can looks solid in CM, Lucas again top notch, he has to play CDM, I'm sorry but after watching Texiera play, Allen should be sold. The lads been class today, Allen for me doesn't cut it at all. Marko looked a little lost, i think last season has knocked him a bit. Think he needs solid game time on loan. Kent looked bright coming on also. One for the future. YNWA
02 Aug 2015 19:04:47
Allen isn't and won't be a patch on texi but guess what. One cost 15 mil and got labelled the Welsh xavi and the other didn't.
To be honest young anton rodgers looked more the play that Allen ever has or done. Really tidy in the middle.
02 Aug 2015 19:29:44
I think markovic had an off day but it was encouraging.
02 Aug 2015 21:05:09
Markovic needs to be stronger in a challenge & try not to get pushed off the ball so easily. I think that aspect of the game is hurting him, he played one or two nice through balls today though too. Texi was class when he came on, as was Kent, these 2 lads have great technique. I'd be giving them both more chances, but let's be honest, we won't in all probability.
02 Aug 2015 18:26:33
It was a class goal by Benteke - it was also a friendly against Swindon - let's all calm down a touch?
02 Aug 2015 19:49:36
Not going to pretend I watched the Stoke game but going off the commentary they got a mauling off Porto mate. I'd rather see some encouraging football, a decent goal and a win than not touch the ball and get an absolute blasting.
02 Aug 2015 20:06:36
It doesn't matter who he scored it against. It was still a quality goal with great technique.
02 Aug 2015 18:25:33
I suppose the one thing that bothers me is how many players will we lose due to lack of game time. Emre Can, Teixerra, Ibe Ilori, to name but a few, all will develop into very good players and i personally think are ready now but i don't think they will get the time they want or need with us. Not to mention the progression for the youth. It does worry me
02 Aug 2015 18:37:41
I recommend both Texiera and Lallana to fight for the CM position ahead of Allen.
02 Aug 2015 19:24:21
Lallana wouldn't last 2 minutes as a central midfielder. You have some weird ideas Harry.
02 Aug 2015 19:53:08
Can in the middle for me . Use Milner and Henderson in front of him .
02 Aug 2015 20:06:39
Usually 1 a day AG!
02 Aug 2015 20:23:24
He would have two a day,but the carers limit his internet use !
02 Aug 2015 21:15:34
I think Brentan will play Lucas, Milner, Hendo & Coutinho in a midfield diamond with Big Ben & Ibe to start for me at Stoke hopefully. What worries me is the Centre of defence, .Skertl & Lovren. We may then have Can , Lallana, Ings, Firmino, Markovic, Sahko & Bodgan on the bench. I'd swap Can for Milner
02 Aug 2015 21:41:08
Having "too much" potential first team talent should not be a concern. With PL schedule, Europa league, FA and Capital One Cup, there is enough competition to go around for all. Those that say we just focus on one thing or another are missing a golden opportunity to develop this young talent. We should be going for it on all fronts and bring home some much needed hardware.
02 Aug 2015 22:15:42
You're absolutely right AG and yet he'd STILL be better than Allen
03 Aug 2015 11:13:44
Shornbeck
Our best season in recent times was when we were able to play a consistent side due to a lack of European football.
Our worst season was arguably last when we rotated and none of the players were able to build up on-field relations with each other.
The obsession to rest individuals will cause us problems again this season - having a big 1st team squad isn't necessarily a good thing (Chelsea don't do too bad. )
02 Aug 2015 18:05:09
Benteke silenced his critics at least for some time. Wonderful goal!!!!
02 Aug 2015 17:50:33
Benteke's finish was pure class. Imagine how many he would have had today if he were match fit. Ojo is going to be a star.
02 Aug 2015 18:26:09
Sensational goal but why do you think he is not match fit? He has been training all summer. Ojo has a long way to go, I cannot see based on what you can say he will be a star. His goal was pure luck. I have to say Markovich looked a bit lost. I cannot eblieve we paid 20M for him. He needs to be loaned I think.
02 Aug 2015 18:38:43
I totally agree with Markovic, he is talented but he has looked lost, i think after last season just made him devoid on confidence hasn't settled as well, i don't know what he's like in training or anything in terms of attitude but i think a loan would suit him.
02 Aug 2015 17:39:27
Two players I think could add huge amounts to our squad: Ilori (offers more than Lovren with less risk, I think) and Texieria (his assist to Ben was class tonight)
02 Aug 2015 18:02:38
Texiera is ready. Plain and simple. He needs game.
02 Aug 2015 19:18:07
Yep he's got to be involved this season
02 Aug 2015 19:43:34
I keep reading that ALLEN is Rogers' favourite and LOVREN was brought in by Rogers request - at 40 mil - I pray he sees the light and rid us of both - we have Lucas, Can and Texiera covering Allen - Sacko, Ilori and Gomez for Lovre,
Swallow your pride Roger - they did not deliver for you - move on now.
03 Aug 2015 00:24:31
Based on Ed01's comments, BR just buys players but some, he has never seen play in person before they come over then he is shocked that they don't suit his system, whatever that is. Sahko is a good example of that.
03 Aug 2015 07:52:26
Sakho is the best cb in the club, what do you mean when you say he doesn't suit the system? Does Skrtl and Lovren suit this system? Sakho had matches for France and had been Captain for PSG at more than one occasion, one of the best young cb in Europe. Weird if BR had never seen him play, must have seen very litle football then.
02 Aug 2015 17:38:04
If carlsberg did debut goals.
02 Aug 2015 18:06:56
. They still wouldn't be as good as Benteke's
02 Aug 2015 18:26:25
The reverse angle of the goal, the ball doesn't spin at all, so crisp a strike
02 Aug 2015 18:40:21
Great post! Had me chuckling to myself!
02 Aug 2015 17:15:22
Good technique for just a big lump up front.
He is exactly what we have missed, blinding goal Big Ben :))
02 Aug 2015 17:07:10
What a finish. Welcome to Liverpool son
02 Aug 2015 17:06:48
WOW!! Benteke just scored an unbelievable goal.
02 Aug 2015 16:58:57
Without a shadow of a doubt Firmino is exactly what we missed last season. Incredible pace and superb dribbling. We have a player in our hands and he plays centrally running at the defenders.
Lucas and Texiera has been really impressive.
02 Aug 2015 17:46:41
Lucas passing has been sublime, hope he forces his way into Rodgers plans.
02 Aug 2015 18:04:01
Imred
I agree, He is slowly picking up players ahead of him.
02 Aug 2015 18:28:48
Lucas usually does that though.
His passing range might only be about 25 yards, but he'll pick the optimum pass within that range nearly every time. Let's the guys like Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino etc. who are dangerous in the top third and will create the assists get on the ball as much as possible.
03 Aug 2015 00:30:25
Lucas is a very good passer of the ball due to the fact that he used to be an AM in Brazil and was voted the best AM of the year before he came to us so many who have slated him for this have no idea what they are seeing or talking about. He is a better passer and makes more forward and incisive passes than Allen. BR doesn't rate him because BR is so set in his ways that he would rather play a Allen at the DLP position instead of playing Lucas who is a true DM, exactly what we need. Anyway, BR will get the sack if we don't start well and Lucas is integral to that.
02 Aug 2015 16:42:44
So a week to go and I just realized something. Our first game in 13/14 was against Stoke. I remember everyone being nervous thinking we'd be lucky for a draw. Then I remember the penalty save Migs made. It changed the team. The next few games we had more to learn as a team, come together but we did. Maybe just maybe the same can happen. Maybe we can achieve this year more than anyone thought possible. I for one am going to see the positives. We have a strong striker who can score goals, and has shown he can over the past 3 years. We have a few more players who have a hard working passion to play and chase and close down opposition. We have a young player with pace who is ready to step into a bigger role. I personally can care less about big name players. I do care about and support our players and to be honest I think we have a fantastic TEAM assembled. Now it's up to BR to get the best from them.
03 Aug 2015 00:34:03
I hope you are right. Our squad albeit bloated, is very capable of challenging for the top three/four. The prob is that the manager cannot be trusted to do what is right and until I see that changing, he will be the end of us and the signs regarding selections and tactics from his blunders of last season are starting to show again. He is the X factor and his conduct will determine how well we do early on.
02 Aug 2015 15:11:15
Eds, if I may, I'd like to ask a strange question.
We're always seeing reports of bids being accepted for this player and that player, is there something behind this, not necessarily any truth in the bid, but perhaps a way of clubs using the media to their advantage? Giving false info to journo's, in a bid to drive up the price of a player etc.
Sorry if this is worded all wrong and confusing, I'm not really sure how to ask.
Cheers.
{Ed002's Note - No, clubs don't do anything like that.}
02 Aug 2015 16:28:19
Do agents do that?
{Ed002's Note - No, of course not.}
02 Aug 2015 16:58:18
Do players do that?
{Ed002's Note - Just the naive and easily led Liverpool lemmings.}
02 Aug 2015 14:59:53
A quick note. Thanks to the 520 people who have joined up for the fantasy league . Really overwhelmed with the response.
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02 Aug 2015 14:37:40
God bless Cilla Black and her family as she was found passed away in her home in Spain. A lady of my era I know, a life long Liverpool supporter.
02 Aug 2015 15:07:26
RIP, unexpected to say the least. I hadn't heard of her being ill or anything in the news.
03 Aug 2015 00:35:28
RIP!! I used to watch reruns of her show when I was young.
02 Aug 2015 14:30:30
Hi Eds
Thanks for the site guys, we truly appreciate it. i'm in South Africa and it makes for some interesting reading.
I was watching the Helsinki game and watching Lalana in particular, i like him but not for the club n the price. if he were say 20 years old i'd be fine but he is not. For me he loses too much possesion and never does enough, we need creativity n skill in the final third and he just doesn't cut it. I feel for he cause he seems like a genuily nice chap but he's just not enough, he's like Thomas Muller but without the goals n assists.
02 Aug 2015 16:43:26
What.
02 Aug 2015 18:41:38
He loses possession a lot of time, because he is trying to make things happen. On goals and assists I think 6 and 3 in 27 appearances, a lot of those small run outs from the bench, is really okay especially considering his lack of pre-season which really took a toll on his fitness for the year. We've all seen what he is capable of during his 2013/14 at Southampton, with his performances that year any of the top 4 would have taken him. He will have a bigger part to play this year with all the games we will have, if he stays fit he will get double figures in both I think.
02 Aug 2015 19:25:50
I highly doubt that, but again that's just my oppinion. For me, he just always cums up a little short in the final third. But lests see as the season pregresses. I hope i'm wrong
02 Aug 2015 14:10:30
Just thinking about some of the comments down the page regarding our incoming players; specifically Benteke.
Somehow the focus seems to be completely on him rather than Firmino - who cost similar money.
Anyway, I was comparing Benteke to Balotelli - who last summer cost us £16million. And you know what; I'm 1000% happier with paying twice the dough for Benteke over Balotelli. In fact, I remember people like East Midlands Scouser championing the signing of Balotelli last year and I was flabbergasted!
I have a better feeling regarding Benteke AND Milner and Ings too for that matter. Lalana looks sharp. Firmino is a bit of an unknown quantity. Gomez looks good. Let's quit the doom and gloom and hope for the best lads.
02 Aug 2015 15:25:41
I think benteke will score, not worried about that. Is say maybe 10-15, but he does go missing (remember the fa cup final, he should have been all over mertesacker, especially in his biggest game of his career). I think most people are thinking he's useless or world class, I'm in the middle, good strong player, but of pace, not bad on the floor, good finishing, maybe lacks a bit of guile but will do well enough.
02 Aug 2015 18:42:53
15 minimum would be a good return but personally I think he will score 25 at least.
02 Aug 2015 13:30:18
So a lot of 'fans' on this site won't admit this, but they're desperate for us to be bad. They're desperate for us to lose at Stoke, to be languishing in the bottom half of the table, to flirt with relegation even. It's not because they hate Rodgers either, it's because they're so desperate to be proved right.
I'm desperate to be proved right as well, I'm desperate that the team Rodgers chooses is successful whoever is in it, even if it's Lovren over Sakho as I want him to be the successful and talented coach I hope he will be.
In that regard I'm just as stubborn and arrogant as guys such as European glory or Essexred. The difference is that if I'm proved right it means Liverpool have been successful, whilst if they're right then we'll all end up as miserable as them. God I hope I'm right.
02 Aug 2015 14:20:39
Hold on a second, I want them to be successful too. All the evidence suggests we won't be as long as this guy is in charge unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong but he's very out of his depth and not good for the club
02 Aug 2015 15:17:35
No its because we know that even if rodgers somehow, by some miracle does well, he still will never learn and will just repeat the same mistakes over and over and tear that success down like its groundhog day.
02 Aug 2015 15:47:06
I'm not having that at all, there's no way people who genuinely support Liverpool want us to lose so they can say I told you so! Sounds to me like your throwing your hat into the ring for the #LFCSNO1FAN pageant.
02 Aug 2015 16:09:39
I'm desperate to be proved wrong by Rodgers myself.
All spin and no substance.
02 Aug 2015 20:06:55
I myself am ridiculously optimistic and it just means losing hurts that little bit more but I don't think any of the guys here want to be proved right with their pessimistic point of view.
I think that post was harsh
I may disagree with other fans points of view but we all share the love of Liverpool and want the best for them.
.
03 Aug 2015 00:58:54
Muscatred is notorious for such posts because he panders to BR a lot hence if he does well, he will then come here and say I told you so I. Order to score some cheap and pathetic brownie points so as to make him look like LFCnumberonefan like Waro said. Who cares, genius? As long as our club wins, that's all that counts. I can love my club and disagree with the manager. It's not our fault that some can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
02 Aug 2015 13:15:59
Metro reports Asier Illarramendi bid has been accepted by Real Madrid.
Just passing news on
02 Aug 2015 14:33:14
Do you have any sense about you ? I am in Africa , n even i know they are full of it.
02 Aug 2015 15:02:08
Lllarramendi
02 Aug 2015 12:48:11
I'd just like to say it's a real shame if it's true that Rodgers doesn't fancy sahko. A shame for Br himself, the club, Sahko and us fans.
Sakho will leave, Br will lose his job, the club will be forced to restructure (for anyone thinking klopp will come you are deluded ). It will take an enormous slice of luck for us not to enter into another period of rebuild, and the fans will be left hoping against hope once again that a potentially good group of players doesn't break up. Which it will.
Everyone loses.
I personally feel a lot rests on this Sahko situation.
02 Aug 2015 13:02:37
All this stuff about a new manager requiring rebuild is utter tosh. A quality manager would get this squad challenging for the title. With the current manager and his incompetence we are a lot less than the sum of our parts. A Mourinho or Klopp would have this squad challenging year after year.
02 Aug 2015 13:06:00
Oh come on?
Had to check it was April fools day then.
Sakho isn't all that. If you think back, he was still apart of the tean that conceded 50 goals. Its a bigger problem than the defensive, its the team and tactics. The midfield is far to open, every defence will struggle.
Sakho leaves its no big deal tbh
Its just silly fans kicking off because someone is getting sold.
02 Aug 2015 13:22:14
bit dramatic
02 Aug 2015 13:59:11
Your getting all of that from Sakho leaving, h***in hell lad, calm down! Sakho is the best of a bad bunch and I would play him but if any of those scenarios happen it will be because of the many many failings of Rodgers and the owners, not because of Sakho leaving!
02 Aug 2015 14:03:16
There is a thread from Fri or yesterday where the Ed01explained how BR approved the Sahko deal without ever seeing him play or something to that effect. It was mind blowing. He also said how BR had promised players this or that and broken these time and again. And, the Ed said of how BR doesn't seem to study football intricately because he's too busy doing things that a footie manager should not be bothering with. All in all, a great insight.
02 Aug 2015 14:07:31
Agree on everything but maintain hope Klopp would be interested. Think he may well have an agreement in place with Bayern to take over next year though
02 Aug 2015 14:39:10
I agree with Waro. Sakho is the best of a bad bunch but he is far from a world beater.
03 Aug 2015 01:01:42
He's France captain and Mangala can't get a game because of him so I would say he is close to being one. It's not his fault that we have a manager who is nog interested in fixing our defence and who keeps saying our defensive woes are uncoachable. I thought he was the coach for all three phases
02 Aug 2015 12:10:27
I watched the match yesterday and personally I believe it took the team too long to form a synergy.
With Big Ben and a possible new central attacker we can vary our attack strategies
02 Aug 2015 13:06:34
Form synergies faster. I'm going to use that. Thanks.
Brenda.
02 Aug 2015 13:55:58
The central attacker IS Benteke.
02 Aug 2015 15:36:31
Then who is Big Ben ?
03 Aug 2015 01:02:08
The London time keeper
02 Aug 2015 10:33:43
Have Balotelli, Borini and Enrique actually been forced to train alone? Have they done anything wrong other than being unwanted by the club to warrant this?
Any update on offers for the players eds?
{Ed023's Note - They're locked in the caretakers office}
02 Aug 2015 12:08:26
That's a very poor act to train players alone. What's the difference between us and Sterling / Suarez now?
02 Aug 2015 12:33:56
Really? You think Suarez threatening legal action against Liverpool and Raheem Sterling's incredibly indecorous agent are comparable to LFC making a couple of players train on their own? Especially when you know of them has severe attitude issues and one of them is not interested in playing football.
Great comment Harry. Not.
02 Aug 2015 12:39:55
I wonder are the rest of the squad pretending there's nothing wrong while the poor lads are off dying in the tent.
02 Aug 2015 13:11:42
Ag
Mate what's the difference between a murder who killed 1 and another who killed 37? Under law it's pretty much the same.
Suarez and Sterling took us to gutter with their behavior, the club did pretty much a similar act against three unwanted players.
Balotelli might have attitude problem , But Borini and Enrique?
All Borini did was to try his luck at Liverpool and Enrique never troubled the club at all.
You are just finding an excuse to defend the club. What if the order was from BR, people would have killed him here.
02 Aug 2015 13:13:35
KDB had a similar attitude issue with Chelsea and so does Sakho when he storm out from the match day squad.
The club did nothing.
It's a very poor act to dump people when you are done with them.
That's all mate.
02 Aug 2015 13:40:20
I'm sure they'll be okay when their pay cheque comes in. If they're not part of the squad plans there's no point training with them
02 Aug 2015 14:09:56
EG, this happens in all clubs so stop treating them like they are in some kind of prison because they are not and they are being well paid for doing it while one player is being paid for being a tourist. Their services are not required and if they refuse to leave the club, then this is the consequence of their decision. Malouda spent a whole season at Chelsea with the U21s because he refused to leave so it happens hence, nothing to see here.
02 Aug 2015 14:49:31
redohio
Well if this is happening from decades then y did we jump out of the seat when Sterling refused to train with the rest?
All he did was forced a move out simple. that's exactly what the club are doing with the three here. Forcing them out.
Jovetic recently joined inter on loan and never featured for city last season, was he asked to train alone?
02 Aug 2015 15:03:41
Who has Balloteli murdered?
02 Aug 2015 15:48:41
Ha , all he did was force a move out , yes simple , only he turned millions of Liverpool fans against him , also I would think an awfull lot of neutral fans too ,
look , if a player is not interested in playing and giving 100 per cent , then he should not be training with the first team , being the bad apple and all that .
03 Aug 2015 01:04:12
EG, the diff is that Jovetic wants to go back to Italy and made it clear to the club, per Ed. Balo, Borini and Enrique don't wanna leave hence, they get stuck out to dry. See the diff?
02 Aug 2015 11:21:07
Has anyone seen the new nivea ad with lallana, coutinho and skrtel in it? Was so bad it made me cringe, safe to say none of the lads will be going down the cantona acting route after their careers!
02 Aug 2015 11:51:26
Well that's rodgers for ye. The man has no shame. Could easily have used real actors. But the man is so full of himself that he wanted to prove to everyone how great he is buy using his pet players. Adam (what a waste of 80 million) lallana didn't even have the energy to make it through the whole add. Probably down Rodger obsession with resting people. And skirtle was dropping lines left right and centre.
Absolute disgrace of an add. Worst add I have ever seen. Where were the u21s and the other players that were promised a chance this season.
RODGERS OUT!!!!!
02 Aug 2015 12:00:33
Are you genuinely having a go at BR? A classic example of why Ed002 thinks we are the worst fans in the world. Shaming.
02 Aug 2015 12:36:57
DaRedMan. Good god lad, have a word with yourself will ye!! I take it your a stranger to sarcasm.
02 Aug 2015 12:41:37
Sarcasm Dared? You can't see it? Really?
02 Aug 2015 13:45:07
Sorry lads it's been a long week for me:)
02 Aug 2015 13:50:57
I don't think I read it completely! I feel ashamed to not see the sarcasm now. I'll take it with a pinch if salt;)
02 Aug 2015 16:46:52
To be fair who has ever put in an oscar worthy performance in an advertisement? they're all just as bad!
02 Aug 2015 11:15:38
Right here's my take on the Center Back enigma for those who're interested.
Just like to state that if Rodgers thinks it's a matter of Lovren/Sakho to partner Skrtel rather than Skrtel/Lovren alongside Sakho then I have no sympathy for the man when he loses his job. Stubborn and quite frankly idiotic team selections should cost him, he's got nowhere to hide this season; if all goes wrong he could be gone by Christmas.
Take a step back, Sakho is quite clearly our best defender. He may look like Bambi on ice, but all those with any idea about the game know that in fact, he isn't. He's an absolute monster and decent at playing it out from the back.
Skrtel if you ask me whilst a tremendous servant for the club has ridden his luck his entire time here, better managers than we've had over the past couple of years would have binned him straight off by now and that includes Rafa, who bought him. He's always been a defensive liability even at the best of times and the mind truly boggles at how you can be a Center back at supposed top level, yet so inconsistent that it isn't even funny. For a supposed 'hard man' defender any striker with a bit of weight behind them can completely embarrass him in the air, one of the only defenders I've ever seen to be better at attacking corners than defending them. In addition he shows no willingness to learn tactically (or he might just be unable, who knows) and repeats the same mistakes he always has done.
Lovren is a tricky one. When he joined I'll admit like most people I thought he was perfect for Liverpool, pricey, but exactly what we needed after losing Agger and I was excited to see him presumably partner Sakho. So frustrating however because it just wouldn't work last season for him, usually next to Skrtel but I think we'd be stupid not to give him another go, ideally next to Sakho and especially the price we paid for him. I believe now with a season to settle in and a decent holding midfielder (Emre) bossing it in front of him then he can ultimately offer more than Skrtel does
To conclude, we've leaked goals rather embarrassingly since Rodgers came to the club three years ago and does it not worry anyone else that he's never seemed that bothered about addressing it? Daniel Agger as injury prone as he was should never have been forced out and allowed to leave, especially for buttons.
Sakho is our best defender and at the moment he should have the defence built around him, with Lovren and Skrtel competing for the right sided berth. Given the money spent already and 'depth' in the position, there's no chance of a top centre half joining us this window, so I expect Rodgers to continue playing Skrtel and Lovren and get himself sacked to be honest. But if it was me I'd purge our centre back ranks and leave us with;
Top right sided CB. Höwedes, someone of that ilk.
Sakho.
Lovren.
Gomez.
Ilori.
Sorry for the essay but this has concerned me for years, and knowing Rodgers I know that he's too thick and too stubborn not to change it. Nevertheless, I'm really looking forward to the season and a new look Liverpool. YNWA
02 Aug 2015 11:46:46
Defending is uncoachable, remember, according to the Tactical Genius.
02 Aug 2015 12:09:18
Essex
Did you ever had a chance to meet BR? I bet you stay away😂😂😂😂
02 Aug 2015 13:06:49
Harry I hope I don't as I don't fancy doing time! It's even more disappointing as in 13/14 I think we all hoped he really was the new Paisley or Shanks. It's now very clear he's a complete charlatan and the form of Suarez driving the front 3 or 4 forward papered over lots of faults.
02 Aug 2015 13:36:04
I agree. But claiming any of our defenders are 'an absolute monster' is praising them way too much. Our defenders can't defend,,, they are ALL average at best
02 Aug 2015 13:50:48
Liam has covered all the bases. BR is incompetent and just incapable of fixing a defence because he thinks it is not part of his job. How he got the job is now becoming a mystery, IMO.
02 Aug 2015 14:13:03
Post of the summer, literally smashed the nail on the head
02 Aug 2015 16:57:46
BR will sort the defenders out this summer.
He has been a professional manager/coach for 2 decades
I think he will literally embarrass some of the posters on this site with his obvious ability. We will storm the title this season and a lot of people will have to change their usernames or admit they were badly wrong.
Llovren will turn it around. Clyne and Gomez bring fresh impetus to the defence and I have high hopes for Llori too.
03 Aug 2015 01:05:33
That must be sarcasm, Ron because all you posted was quite funny.
02 Aug 2015 10:42:09
With the new season looming I'm concerned that(once again) we won't hit the ground running with (already) doubts over the fitness of Firminho and Benteke.
We've had all summer to prepare for Stoke away and I can't help feeling we'll field a similar team to the one which gave us the lowest point for decades a few months ago. Rodgers, Mignolet, Skrtel, Allen.
God, I'm dreading next week.
As things stand, Lucas Leiva, Sakho and Jordan Ibe should start and everyone SHOULD be played in their best positions.
If we're 3pts behind the leaders after one game It'll be that much tougher to stay in the top ten.
02 Aug 2015 11:30:51
Are you REALLY this negative before a ball has been kicked? This is the time for support and optimism - goodness knows there's plenty on here that get suicidal after one loss. Let the players AND THE MANAGER do what they can and support them throughout.
02 Aug 2015 14:18:00
I support my club and the player. The manager is supported BUT only by default because if he succeeds the my club does well. That's it!
02 Aug 2015 10:32:44
I am looking forward to the new season to see how the new players fit in but I am still miffed at the lack of planning.
Our squad needs trimming drastically with, barring lambert, little sign of movement. We have so many talented young guns but there path is blocked by either senior players sticking around, or buying someone ahead of him. Origi being a case in point with Sinclair (who is most likely to leave). So I understand the pessimism but a ball hasn't been kicked, get behind the team as our problems don't lie with the players. It is an underlying issue that until the club learns from its mistakes won't change anytime soon.
02 Aug 2015 09:11:46
I love how 2 weeks ago, everyone is talking about how much of a waste of money Benteke is and really bashing him. He's a big lump etc and will fail with BR's tactics.
Suddenly, he's a world beater and we've got top 4 sewn up with Benteke scoring 20+ goals!!
This demonstrates the type of fans we now have.
I personally believe we could have went for better options to suit our style, but I still believe in Benteke we have a proven goal scorer who can lead the line or compliment the strengths of Sturridge when he's back. A good signing but high price tag.
It will be interesting to see what people's comments are if he doesn't score in his first 4-5 games. The same people loving him now, will be back to their bashing of him.
02 Aug 2015 09:48:58
Scoring goals and to suit your style are two different things.
Barbatov doesn't suit any team, but scored plenty for UTD.
Big Ben will score no matter what you play. His physical presence ll open up plenty of chances.
02 Aug 2015 10:14:56
I personally don't see much wrong with getting behind your players, even if that requires a drastic change of opinion
02 Aug 2015 10:30:35
Maybe spasmith, people have just got behind the player because he is one of ours. He has a lot weighing on his shoulders with the hefty price tag and the hope of the fans for success so if he doesn't score in the first 5 games you can expect there to be people stupidly crying for his head. I'll make one thing clear though: I won't be joining in with any benteke bashing-I'll give him the chance he deserves to get at this great club.
02 Aug 2015 10:36:10
LFC has a lot of fans all with their own opinion. Some may think Benteke was the wrong choice for whatever reason and they are entitled to that. The type of fans LFC have now is no different to 40 years ago the difference is only now do we get the chance to air opinion on sites like this and 30 years ago we were doing pretty well for ourselves so could afford a couple of bad choices.
Now that we have bought Benteke, the fans will give him the chance to prove he was the right choice irrespective of their initial opinion. I personally think there were better options but he now plays for LFC and I hope he smashes goals in at a rate of 5 a game. And if he does, we will be all very happy and the consensus of opinion will admit it was wrong and love the man.
The fan that stands the Kop every home game will cheer Benteke on as much as they did stevie g.
First off, 2 weeks ago not every fan was talking about waste of money. I am a fan and I wasn't. Secondly, the demonstration of the type of fan we have now casts a shadow on all fans, how dare you! Thirdly, "our Style" wtf does this mean now? Rogers has no style other than his Tie on match day.
02 Aug 2015 10:38:39
You was one of them. You said it was 'complete madness' and he 'offers nothing to our style of play'
02 Aug 2015 11:24:44
U know what mate I appreciate your point about people changing stances on benteke but people have pointed that out many many times, we don't need to be told again.
Seems on here there's fans who just want to point out that they are better fans than other people because they haven't changed their views. People are allowed to change their minds nobody is getting any medals for saying saying he's shite from the start and still saying it if he has a bad season.
Sorry if this didn't make a lot of sense but il
Nursing a bad hangover and can't be arsed to rectify it.
02 Aug 2015 11:47:55
I don't think we should have bought him, but we have, and it will bring me a lot of pleasure if I'm proved wrong.
It's not because I don't rate him as a player, I just don't think he's what we need.
The main concern I have is the number of players we have for each position other than GK - either there is little chance of progression of younger players other than those who have already broken through, or we'll have a very unhappy and frustrated squad unless perhaps we go a long way in all the cup competitions.
02 Aug 2015 09:04:06
Can't wait for the new season to start
Bring it on
02 Aug 2015 08:49:59
Mng Eds and Reds.
The excitement begins today.
I would love to hear from the Reds and Ed01 on this.
How about playing Lallana as a CM just like Carzola? Lallana is wasted on the flanks and he reads the game very well.
Lucas - Lallana with Henderson pushing up ahead?
Cheers people, awesome season ahead.
{Ed001's Note - not for me, he is not a good enough passer, unlike Cazorla.}
02 Aug 2015 09:41:32
While I agree with you Ed on the passing I have a feeling it would just click. Wenger like BR was in quite confusion on his midfield pair until he played Carzola over there.
Lallana is technically sound and is a good two footed player.
He has no pace to play on the flanks and if you wanna include him in the team, he has to play that Carzola / wilshere role to me.
Lallana has to play in the middle and with Countinho is red hot form, he would never replace him.
He wouldn't do a Scholes but woukd make the team stable.
After watching yesterday with Henderson occupying the center mid told which makes him half the player he is, I would play Lallana over there and push Hendo up front.
02 Aug 2015 09:42:34
Agree with Ed001. In fact if I could find a buyer I'd sell for 10m
02 Aug 2015 10:25:19
Well that's the Brendan way isn't it Ron? Buy a player for 25million then sell him for 10m because he's not competent enough to get the best out of him or play in correct position.
02 Aug 2015 10:44:27
I think it doesn't matter if lallana is not as good as others in that position, it more if we want him to have a chance to succeed and get a patch of our 25mil worth we have to find somewhere other than the flanks for him to play as he is just not got enough to play there. Tbh I though he was brought in last season to play in the side of the diamond alongside Hendo and to help cover stevies legs.
He can drive with the ball and score and he might well prove to be very good next to Hendo and lucas in the middle. He is an upgrade on Allen on that side.
02 Aug 2015 11:59:33
Forever
Well then y don't you play him alongside Lucas and Henderson in a midfield diamond. He offers a lot more than Milner would ever in the middle as he is a complete different player to Henderson.
Lallana is technically sound but he is not a player to play in the flanks. That much is logic.
He is calm with the ball, play him in the middle you get the best out of the player.
02 Aug 2015 13:46:08
What is it with you and cazorla lol?
What happens to can and milner then though who are actually CMs? More moaning playing players out of position.
02 Aug 2015 13:42:10
I've always thought he'd be effective as part of a midfield 3 given his attacking skills, and ability to press in defence eg. Lucas, Hendo, Llalana with Coutinho sitting behind 2 strikers would be very effective.
I don't see him as a midfield 2 though in a 4-2-3-1 system though, he's far better as an attacking mid in that setup with his ability to score with both feet.
02 Aug 2015 14:33:00
My post was incomplete. Assuming all you say is true EG, the question becomes, what is Milner doing here for crazy wages when he was not needed and offers nothing compared to Hendo and Lallana? As for selling Lallana for ten million, that is indeed the BR way as in, waste funds on players and dump them just because he's too incompetent to work with the player he himself, lobbied for. Ron, your boy is a hoot.
02 Aug 2015 15:48:59
redohio
That's exactly Ed01 has been asking all summer. We have a 25 mill player with no place to occupy and we buy a 30 year old player paying insane wages and signing on fees.
A midfield three of Lucas ( destroyer ) Lallana ( playmaker ) Henderson ( attacking mid ) is pretty balanced.
Kovacic was initially a CAM till he was deployed with great effect as the deep lying player at inter.
Y not Lallana who is very similar to Kovacic?
Use the resources you have at their best of ability.
02 Aug 2015 15:50:35
Fency
I am sorry mate, you should watch the game a bit more to find the difference between Fabrigas and Mllner.
No offense brother.
02 Aug 2015 16:34:16
Lallana is too slow and too weak in possession.
I would never have bought him, complete luxury of a player.
Good touches but totally ineffective.
If someone offered 10m I'd sell because he will never nail down a place in a top 4 team.
03 Aug 2015 01:08:15
Then, your golden boy should get the blame for signing such a poor player, right Ron or do you have an excuse to absorb him of that as well?
02 Aug 2015 09:00:55
I think we have the strongest squad we've had in years. We actually have 1st team quality players on the bench. The only reason if we don't get top4 is down to the manager. He has no excuses any more.
BR mentioned countless times last season that lack of goals was our problem and losing Suarez/sturridge. Well he gave the ok to bring in Lambert and Balotelli who (on paper) can score plenty of goals. The only reason we didn't score was down to the one dimensional coaching and only playing to the strengths of players who weren't available.
For this season, he needs to have a plan B or an alternative system to use. The 3-5-1-1 worked well for 13 games last season, but once Man Utd figured us out, everyone else seemed to know how to beat us and BR didn't have any answers. This is just poor and amateur coaching. I hope the new coaching staff can help BR and hope he has the balls to take their advice instead of being a stubborn know it all.
Finally, I believe we can get top 4 this season. Not impressed with Man Utd or City's spending thus far. These are the teams I expect us to challenge. Utd have done well to sort out the CM position that's been a problem since Fergie was there, but still poor at the back, no pace and lack of forwards. Similar problems for City. An ageing squad and very poor defensively.
I know this can all change in he next 4 weeks but mostly will be buying players without PL experience and may not cut it - despite their price tag and reputation (diMaria for example).
Let's get behind the team and coaching staff and at least see what the team can do. I hope we don't need to sack BR because that means the results have been good, but the shadow of Klopp is hanging over him if he fails.
02 Aug 2015 09:23:23
You are living in fantasy land mate. United and City will be at least 15 points ahead of us at the end of the season. Other then Benteke I think we got weaker this summer losing Gerrad and especially Sterling (which everyone here like to totally disregard now but I bet he will score more goals this season than anyone for us other than Benteke m aybe).
Milner and Ings are decent signings - but nothin more than that. There is a reason Milner was a substitute forcity and Ings scored only 8 league goals last season. I do like Benteke and hope he does well, but we do have poor record with strikers of his kind in the Rogers era. Even if Benteke will score many I cannot see us getting even close to top 4. We got into the tope 4 once in the last 6 years and this was when United were unbelivebly poor.
But the thing is we will not have to wait long to see. Let's see where we are after 5 games.
02 Aug 2015 09:39:11
I believe we are a lot stronger Clyne Milner Firmino and Benteke,are great additions to the 1st team. Really anticipating a good season.
02 Aug 2015 09:54:35
Fanobip. You really make me laugh buddy. 👏
02 Aug 2015 10:03:59
Weaker for losing sterling!!!! He sulked and gave nothing to the team since January, the amount of sitters he missed that cost us points was laughable, and as good as Gerrard was for us over the years he wasn't great last season, no point in even talking about Johnson, Clyne, firmino, benteke, milner will all improve our first team on last season's
02 Aug 2015 10:27:50
Sorry but Gerrard was awful last year. He could have been an excellent impact sub in an advanced position but Brendan was too weak to do that and continued to play him in a DM role that he was suited to at all. Probably cost us a dozen points.
02 Aug 2015 11:02:44
what are you on mate? it would be very strange to spend that much and make your self weaker.
02 Aug 2015 11:30:22
Reetred, first of all, very happy my posts are of some positive imapct. Now tell me what part of what I said made you laugh and let's meet after the first five games and see which predictions are laughable. I will be ver very happy to find we have 15 or even 12 points and are leading the table.
02 Aug 2015 12:13:31
Fanobip
The fact that you thought Gerrard had any sort of impact last year made me stop reading. World Class Player in his prime but he was a passenger last season 😢
02 Aug 2015 14:38:22
Our squad is bloated with players BR has no idea what to do with nor has he a set system on how to deploy them. That is what worries me going in because the signs of last season are still there. The only good thing is that if he fails, he will be sacked and Marsh ans Pascoe won't be here to take the blame and we will no longer have to deal with his acolytes on here making pathetic excuses for his failures.
02 Aug 2015 08:39:56
What do you guys think the plan will be with can do you think he will get a run in cm personaly i think he is one of the most promisng laters at the club
02 Aug 2015 09:26:18
I would play Can, Hendo, Milner Coutino in a Diamond with Firmino playing off Benteke
02 Aug 2015 09:56:06
Mony
How is Can better than Lucas? A DM needs discipline and that's something Can ain't at the moment.
02 Aug 2015 10:05:32
Or a mid 3 of can milner hendo with coutinho and firmino either side of benteke
02 Aug 2015 12:13:10
I don't think Can has played enough in his proper position to have his discipline questioned yet.
The manager asked him to play an extremely difficult, pressing fullback role last season.
Yes he was exposed for a run of games, that is for sure. But it was his first year in the league.
C'mon. that flick pass assist to Sterling in the FA Cup against Bolton?
You can't coach or teach those kind of skills.
I love Lucas -- and I also love the idea of a DM on the pitch, however, that is not set up the manager seems to have in his plans.
So if we are going to play a 3 midfield or even a 4 diamond set up I think the strength and pace of Milner, Hendo, & Can will definitely benefit us.
Stoke are an aggressive and physical team. They always play us tough, but if Can/Hendo/Milner can impose their physicality and pace over their midfield we should be able to dictate the match.
Between the three of them, they do not get pushed off the ball much. They are all physically strong players and if they all gel mentally, who knows what the potential might be.
Yes they all have their weaknesses and perhaps I'm being a bit too optimistic. But I feel pretty good thinking about a front of Can/Hendo/Milner, feeding to Couts/Firmino, then Benteke.
Here's to hoping my friends! :)
02 Aug 2015 14:45:49
Can is a beast and the only reason we are having this conversation is because BR, the man who signed him, has no idea of how to develop and harness his undeniable talent. Yet, many have said BR is the best at getting the best out of young players. I don't know which young players they are talking about because he NEVER goes to watch their games nor play them unless forced to by injuries or owners' orders.
02 Aug 2015 07:43:18
The main thing I want this season, is for liverpool to be good to watch again. So many times last season we were flat, blunt in attack and bad at the back. Hopefully firmino adds so movement and creativity and benteke origi and ings some goals, but there were very few times last season where we dominated teams and it was really enjoyable to sit through.
02 Aug 2015 08:21:48
I would like LFC to be more opportunistic in set-plays. With Ibe in the team, we will win plenty of corners and free-kicks and we need to make use of this.
Also, I think people are expecting too much from Firmino. I think he will assist and score, but both will likely be in single figures. I cannot see anyone except Benteke getting into double figures in goals.
02 Aug 2015 08:48:59
Firmino will score loads mate, Player of the yr, just wait and see. I have seen lot's of him and he's so talented.
02 Aug 2015 08:55:07
Agree with both. I think last year our first halves were particulalry awful. It would be nice if we can score early from time to time. Watching us play these 0:0 games for long periods of the game was really hard last year (didn't watch the game yesterday but I understand this was more or less the case again).
02 Aug 2015 13:50:09
I think firmino will contribute greatly, in terms of team play, I don't think he will hit 10 goals though.
02 Aug 2015 01:37:54
Is Sakho leaving?
02 Aug 2015 07:40:31
I have no idea, but wouldn't be surprised.
02 Aug 2015 08:34:15
Let's hope not, but let's face it he's not going to be happy playing midweek early round cup ties, just like most of the team that play at Swindon today. I can see Ilori Sakho Lucas Can and Markovich all asking for Loan moves to be honest, so they can get games.
02 Aug 2015 14:46:50
And we will struggle and BR will be sacked and well never get those players back.
01 Aug 2015 22:51:28
Sun advert on here ed. Sun "dream team"
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02 Aug 2015 08:42:24
No problem ed