Liverpool Banter Archive October 29 2017

29 Oct 2017 19:42:29
obviously from liverpool's perspective we are excited about brewster, but of that U17's team. who are the players who people believe are going to have the best future, only ones i have heard of are sanho and foden.

29 Oct 2017 21:25:52
It's hard to tell from the that age as they're still so young. But have a look at Curtis Jones in the u18s. Obviously, Ben Woodburn is looking like the real star though; he just turned 18 last week and is already very well known throughout the UK.

29 Oct 2017 22:21:56
Also as you mention Rhian Brewster, I wrote an article about him in April. Perhaps I could give that a little edit and it could be republished on the site seeing as he's become pretty well known over the last week. What do you think eds?

{Ed002's Note - please do.}

29 Oct 2017 23:19:57
Be good to read your article DaRedMan mate :)

30 Oct 2017 01:50:15
Definitely post it up buddy!

30 Oct 2017 15:29:00
It's such a shame we went out of league cup at the first hurdle. It would have been great for brewster, solanke grujic and ward just to mention a few. I hope they get a shot in fa cup (which I think we could win)

29 Oct 2017 15:27:34
Hi eds, I was wondering does Klopp rate Gomez as a CB? Or will he continue to be used as a RB?

Thanks in advance!

{Ed001's Note - he is seen as a centre back for the future.}

29 Oct 2017 19:27:32
Is Gomez getting the Carra treatment Ed? I. e. getting minutes at right back in order to gain experience, or is it just a case of cover until TAA makes the spot his own/ Clyne comes back to platoon with TAA, and he'll be CB sooner rather than later?

{Ed001's Note - getting experience mate.}

29 Oct 2017 20:03:52
So Ed is it safe to assume that TAA will be our future RB?

{Ed001's Note - no, he is likely to move into midfield I believe. We are looking to buy one.}

29 Oct 2017 22:41:34
Midfield really! Are we actively looking for January or summer?

29 Oct 2017 23:15:01
Sorry ment to say RB for January or summer to bring in.

{Ed002's Note - Not at this time Barry.}

29 Oct 2017 23:46:25
We won't do that much in January. Who does? I really can't see us signing a rb in January with at least five players who can cover the position (senior) on the books. I think it will be a CB though and I wouldn't be surprisedif there aren't already one or two targets lined up already. GK is the other position but we have three above average keepers and I would expect one of either karius or ward to be given a decent run before we bring someone new in. Personally I think we should buy a GK and a CM or DCM who can dictate play and offer protection to the back four. I don't think lovren is as bad as he is made out to be sometimes. Our cbs would look much better with some proper midfield protection coz let's be honest, they don't get it from the fbs. Im a moreno fan atm but it's his attacking that I like, he wouldn't be the same if he just sat back, in fact he would probably be pretty awful. So rather than sacrafice a decent little player who offers a lot of output we should look to the midfield for that cover. Keita, Hendo and a dcm would be fantastic. Who the dcm is is the million dollar question.

Any realistic ideas guys? Coz I'm stumped.

29 Oct 2017 21:06:54
What type of midfielder would Arnold be ed? a box to box one?

{Ed001's Note - actually I think he will end up being a bit of a playmaker as he has some excellent passing range and good delivery of setpieces too.}

30 Oct 2017 00:00:40
Thanks Ed.

29 Oct 2017 09:52:38
Got the three points yesterday. The first half was terrible but that was as much down to Huddersfield's defensive set up as our inability to create anything. Once Sturridge scored there was going to be only one winner. I don't know if it's stubbornness or balls but Klopp took a big chance naming Mignolet, Lovern and Milner in the starting lineup. Even though Lovern didn't play it could have all backfired. I can't understand why Can was the scapegoat for the Spurs game as he wasn't the worst player but I guess that's why I am not manager. Anyway not a vintage performance but three points none the less. Now for two more win's to set us up nicely going into the international break.

29 Oct 2017 10:19:25
Can gave the ball away constantly against spurs and was responsible for one of their goals.

29 Oct 2017 11:15:14
I agree Can was poor last week against Spurs but strange how he is the only scapegoat. Not when the rest of the team we either just as bad or worse than him.

29 Oct 2017 10:59:09
Wasn't Can played out of position for the majority of the game.

29 Oct 2017 12:40:57
A win is a win. There are no easy games in the PL and 3-0 is a pretty emphatic win. Our "issues" are not a home. We have been very solid only conceding one goal and very few chances against us, even with Migs and Lovren, completely different away from home, so maybe changing the way we play away from home might be more important than certain players?

29 Oct 2017 15:26:06
Boys, let's just take the win and move on to the next game as we all know that this win proves nothing that our issues are solved hence, we take the positives, learn the lessons and hope for a better tomrw. YNWA!

29 Oct 2017 16:44:10
I think can was probably rested for the mid week game. I like him but am worried a tad about his commitment. I know he is a pro but he has less to fight for than some of the others as he probably won't be here next season, he may not be here come january. I hope he signs a new deal but it's not going to happen is it? Eds has he been offered anything recently?

{Ed001's Note - there has been no change, he wants to go.}

29 Oct 2017 23:51:28
Cheers for the reply ed01. Shame about Can, I think he is going to be massive. I reckon we will see quite a few midfield additions in the next year with can and coutinio all but gone and miner knocking on the door of retirement. Keita comes of course but I reckon we'll pick up a couple more. The team could look pretty different this time next year. Did that lad sari get a move in the summer? He is a possibility.

{Ed001's Note - Klopp does not really think Can is right for his midfield, so I don't blame Can to be honest.}

29 Oct 2017 08:51:35
In the end, I'm glad we missed the pen. Everyone would have said we needed a dubious decision to make the breakthrough.

29 Oct 2017 09:15:47
Agreed! It's just a shame that Salah didn't get a goal - he would have matched Fowler and Mané's joint-record of 6 goals in their first 10 Premier League games. Alas, he'll have to settle for 5!

29 Oct 2017 09:21:53
It wasn't dubious though. Firmino was running in to get on Matip's knockdown and he was blatantly pulled back.

I hope nobody let's Joey Barton's shockingly biased radio commentary change that. It was as stone wall as they come and the ref bottled it by not booking Smith as well. Anywhere else on the pitch it is.

We must have had 10 penalties like that against us when Skrtel was here and nobody ever called them dubious. People just said he was careless and trying to cheat.

However, i do agree that there's a silver lining, because there still would've been people saying it was dodgy, even if it clearly wasn't dubious. Just like people are saying we needed a terrible defensive error to score, whilst ignoring the fact that they made the error because of our constant pressure on their defence.

{Ed025's Note - i agree MK there was nothing dubious at all it was a stone wall penalty..

29 Oct 2017 09:26:53
It's a shame for my dream team.

29 Oct 2017 09:48:06
Not mine Den, i had Lossl in goal because i knew he'd turn up at Anfield and play a blinder. Every opposition keeper does 😂.

29 Oct 2017 13:59:44
MK? Smith was indeed booked for the shirt pull leading to the penalty and YES? it was a stone wall penalty. I saw the pathetic Andy Gray saying it was a soft penalty BUT was not there a rule put in place last season warning players to stop the shirt pulling or penalties would be awarded? I guess he and the useless Barton forgot all that.

29 Oct 2017 08:20:12
Quick question with Sanchez available for roughly 30 million (if reports are true) in the January window, should we not try for him? Quality player who could also play a more advanced role as well as wide if needed.

If Coutinho does leave which most of us are expecting and possibly in January then we will need a creative player. I'd love us to get Sanchez and Lemar if possible.

That would just leave the defensive issues to resolve.

29 Oct 2017 08:43:38
He rejected us when we tried to bring him and prefered London.

29 Oct 2017 08:50:51
Coutinho clearly still wants out so say selling him for 90-100 mill and replacing with Sanchez for 30 mill would be exceptional business. Sanchez's wages would be a sticking point but what we save on Coutinho's wages (150-200k) will go into Sanchez's reported 300k a week demands. That would leave 60 mill on top of whatever else we have to improve our defence. However as good as it sounds Sanchez to City is the likely option and we won't even test the water with as much as an equiry ourselves.

29 Oct 2017 08:55:38
I would go all out for Antoine Griezmann. Change formation to 4231.

Mane left, Bobby as a 10, Salah right and Griezmann up top?

I think we would be better off?

29 Oct 2017 08:47:55
I don't disagree that he's a great player, but i don't see the need for more forwards like Sanchez. We already have Mane, Salah, Firmino, Chamberlain, Sturridge, Lallana, Solanke, Gini, Origi, Ings, Ojo, Kent, Wilson, Woodburn, Brewster etc. All of whom can play in the front 3 in one way or another. You could argue that the first 10 in that listare good enough to be starting games in the premier league.

We have plenty to create and convert goals, with various different playing styles. Sanchez is just another forward though. Probably better than any we have except Mane, Firmino and Salah who he is just as good as. So he'd definitely add competition and cover for injury or suspension without losing any level in performance. I'd consider it if we had no glaring issues, and just wanted to make upgrades to the team.

The reason we struggle to score at times though is because our transition play is too slow. We have no link from defence to midfield because Henderson is dropping too deep and ending up alongside the centre backs, and we have only two senior players capable of properly linking attack and midfield; Coutinho who wants to leave, and Lallana who is aging and injury prone.

For me, when we sell Coutinho i would firstly like to try playing a slight variation of the 4-4-1-1 that Leicester played 2 years ago. Basically put Solanke or Sturridge up front and drop Firmino in behind as a second striker, where he played for Hoffenheim. It gives him less goal scoring responsibility so he can focus on collecting the ball from midfield and looking to be creative. To do that though we'll need to have a solid centre mid partnership. At the moment we just have decent individuals, who all do a similar job. So I'd invest the Coutinho cash into a solid defensive midfielder such as Obiang or N'Zonzi to give us options with the system, Keita is incoming anyway, and then spend the rest of it on the defence and goalkeeper situation.

No need to change an attack that has scored in pretty much every game this season with sometimes very average service. The problems lie elsewhere and the likes of Sanchez merely paper those cracks. Firmino could offer an internal solution if Coutinho left, but if not then i think Lemar would be a stellar signing because he links midfield to attack superbly, but can also cover in the attack. Not sure it's a priority though.

{Ed025's Note - "competition and cover"...your having a giraffe MK, if he went to any club in the prem he is first name on the team sheet thats for sure, he is slightly better than mane and salah and light years ahead of firmino being that he scores on a regular basis and is also a scorer of great goals, you really need to take them red spectacles off at times mate or wake up and smell the coffee at least..

29 Oct 2017 09:05:47
Mk you answered your own question in your opening segment. Yes we have all those players but like you said Sanchez is a great player. Only Mane comes close to him in my opinion.

29 Oct 2017 09:08:33
I would love Sanchez at Liverpool, he's just excellent but it isn't going to happen, we all know that.

29 Oct 2017 10:44:58
Ed has to be asked could you see Liverpool at least making an enquity in January for Sanchez?

Firstly given his contract situation (6 months left), and price.
secondly as he’s a quality player who can play a number of roles and scores a lot of goals.

and finally as we may lose Coutinho in same month.

It would be baffling to me if we didn’t at least enquire, I know people will say he rejected us before but we are a different club from then in my opinion.

It’s clear Coutinho still wants out so need to get best possible deal for him.

For me Lemar, Sanchez and Van Dijk in January would be as good a January window as the one we signed Coutinho and Sturridge.

{Ed001's Note - he turned us down to join Arsenal, it is unlikely he would be interested.}

29 Oct 2017 10:20:28
If Coutinho goes we should go for Insigne.

29 Oct 2017 10:30:19
Only Mane comes close to him? what a load of tosh. Coutinho and Salah are much younger and can easily match and overcome Alexis Sanchez current level.

29 Oct 2017 10:47:44
I don’t understand people saying he moved to London over us last time. Things change if he’s willing to sign for city then he’s happy to move the north west.

29 Oct 2017 11:11:54
Kloppisakloon the original post was regarding Sanchez replacing Coutinho hence why I never compared them. Doesn't matter what tosh anyone is talking Sanchez is a world class player. Take the tinted glasses off.

29 Oct 2017 12:05:58
Jayden, Sanchez has 2 goals this season. That is literally it in all competitions.

Mane has 3, Firmino has 7, and Salah has 9. Daniel Sturridge has 2.

Sanchez is not world class anymore. If he is, then so are the 4 guys above. 2 seasons ago I'd agree but this is a player who is nearly 29 and for me is showing signs of slowing down. Maybe he just isn't trying because he wants to leave? In which case i don't want his poor attitude around our squad anymore than i want Coutinho's poor attitude. Sanchez is definitely good enough to get in our team as a regular, and he is definitely a better goal scorer than Firmino and Sturridge despite his poor form this season in an admittedly average Arsenal team.

He isn't so much better than what we have though, that I'd sign him ahead of some defenders or a defensive midfielder.

Everyone lost their heads that we signed Chamberlain, Salah and Solanke but failed to add a centre back. Now people are asking for us to sign more attackers?

Sanchez is a top player mate, but if you think he's a priority signing, it's not other people talking tosh, to be honest with you. Sanchez would be an awful replacement for Coutinho considering we want Coutinho to play in attacking midfield. We should be targeting somebody who is a natural attacking midfielder, or looking towards dropping Firmino slightly deeper to be a second striker. Maybe even give Woodburn or Grujic a chance. Not signing more strikers and wingers to add to the 10 we already have.

Fix problems first, make luxury signings second.

29 Oct 2017 12:30:22
Mk good comment mate. However you started your argument with he is no longer a world class player and is showing signs of slowing down to then say he is a top player a paragraph down. I don't think another attacker is a priority signing mate but if Coutinho goes and Sanchez becomes available for 30 mill then that changes the situation for me. Last season he scored 24 goals and had 10 assists in 38 games. If that is him slowing down then I'd hate to see him speeding up. I totally agree with you about his attitude but I think that is the modern day footballer. If they don't get their own way then it's the fans and club who suffer. As I said further up the money left over from Coutinho going and buying Sanchez would still allow us to buy in priority positions. Again I agree with fix problems first and luxury signings second but we've had these problems for the whole time Klopp has been here and they haven't been addressed so I wouldn't hold you're breath mate. Ps my talking tosh was in reply to KIK. I respect you're opinion and although mine differs it doesn't mean either of us are right or wrong.

29 Oct 2017 09:41:22
Ed025, you're putting words into my mouth buddy. I didn't say Sanchez would be the one to miss out on starting. I clearly stated he was as good as all 3 of our current front 3 and, just said he'd give us better competition for places and stop us from suffering from a lack of quality when someone is injured. That doesn't mean he'd be there just to cover injuries. It's a squad game nowadays. All i meant is we'd have 4 top class attackers vying for 3 positions. Not once did i say he wouldn't get in our team. There would be games where he might miss out, just like he does for Arsenal sometimes, but he would be a great signing for us IF we didn't have at least 4 positions at the back which are glaring weaknesses. I'm not sure how he is first name on the team sheet though either, when he is regularly dropped by Arsenal for Welbeck or Iwobi. Sanchez is best out wide and we have Salah playing miles better than him this season, and Mane who is regarded by many as the best winger in the league, despite his stop start season.

I did make it pretty obvious that he is as good as we've got though. I'm not sure i agree that he is better than Mane or Salah (I'd say they are all pretty much equals if fit and on form), but he is very, very marginally better than Firmino in my opinion. Firmino has a better all around game and suits our style better, but Sanchez is lethal anywhere inside 30 yards.

I just don't want to see us wasting time and money trying to negotiate a deal for a player who Arsenal don't want to sell, which will clearly result in a 4 week saga of "will he, won't he" when the club should be focusing on other areas. Our transfer team are proven to be incompetent at best, so i don't want them to have any unnecessary distractions when they should be sorting out a deal for at least a centre back and a defensive midfielder.

I'm not sure if that makes my point clearer or not. Would i like Sanchez? Obviously. Is it a priority signing? Obviously not.

{Ed025's Note - i did only "quote" what you said in your original post MK, but like most things on here one player being superior to another is an opinion nothing more nothing less, i cant see us falling out over it mate..

29 Oct 2017 09:46:14
I did also say he was an upgrade to the team Ed025. It's just an upgrade that is not top of my list right now, and should not be top of the clubs list either. If we sign Sanchez and fail to add a defender again in January, this site will need a better server because the wave of abuse that will come in will be unprecedented.

Alderweireld is also in a contract dispute right now, so why not try and do a deal there? It is about as likely as the Sanchez deal is, and at least it solves a problem area!

{Ed025's Note - the thing with sanchez is that he is out of contract shortly and has expressed a wish to leave arsenal MK..

29 Oct 2017 12:54:30
It's cool Jayden. Just to clarify i think World class is a term reserved for the very best in your position. A top player is just a great player though.

Sanchez was very good at times last season but he also got dropped a few times due to his poor performance levels in periods. This season he has been poor in general. I think in a better side he still has 3-4 years left at the top of the game, but i don't see him getting 24 goals ever again. His explosiveness will fade over the next few years and if it doesn't then he is more impressive than I'm giving him credit for.

I hope nobody got me wrong. I'd love Sanchez at Liverpool. I wish we'd got him 3 years ago when Suarez left. But i want a centre back and a holding midfielder even more and our transfer negotiators are far too useless to do more than 2 deals in January!

29 Oct 2017 13:17:35
You are speaking too much sense at the moment MK Scouser, great posts man!

29 Oct 2017 13:21:58
Mk no worries mate. Totally understand what you're saying. Every comment on here is subjective and I personally believe Sanchez is one of the best in the league. That's not me saying our front 3 are crap on the other hand. Totally agree with you on our transfer team and to be honest I think it's more likely that we will not strengthen in January over buying luxury signings or priority positions.

29 Oct 2017 14:06:27
MK, I disagree. Sanchez is a world class beast of a player and you will see what he does with City cos even now playing for Arsenal, he is STILL class even tho, he is not interested in playing for them and cannot stand the sight of Wenger. This has nothing to do with how good our front three is cos the whole PL is aware of what they can do. There is a reason why teams park the bus vs us, even Utd. They are terrified of us.

29 Oct 2017 15:57:24
Point is it’s quite a rare situation to have such a quality player is available for a low fee, and who wants to leave. He’s a threat and would improve any team in the league currently in my opinion. He can cover a number of positions, scores lots of goals, and creates also.

We do have Mane, Salah and Firmino, but how many times have we lost Mane in last 12 months? A lot and it’s shown.

We on the other hand have a player who scores goals and creates who wants to leave, and possibly in the next window. The money Sanchez would cost compared to what we will receive for Coutinho gives us still a very good profit. Sorry but it’s a no brainier for me. I think he’d enjoy Klopps style of play and would flourish. 30 million is a great deal.

{Ed025's Note - i think so too jones..

29 Oct 2017 17:56:41
you are living in a fantasy world where Sanchez wants to join Liverpool, get real Jonesred, this is the real world not football manager 2016!

29 Oct 2017 18:51:29
I don’t play video games.

29 Oct 2017 06:11:53
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new player profile about, Thomas Lemar

29 Oct 2017 06:39:33
Nice one Ed01. let's hope he will replace Coutinho.

29 Oct 2017 07:47:07
Good one Ed mate, I know he's linked with quite a few clubs including us, should he come over if/ when Coutinho goes would you be happy about it mate?

I must admit I've only seen him play a handful of times but from what I've seen I wasn't too impressed. But again I have only seen him a few times so I can't really go on that.

{Ed001's Note - he is a bit hit and miss, but they had so much attacking talent he wasn't given as much freedom as he looks to need. I would be happy with him but I expect him to go to Arsenal.}

29 Oct 2017 08:13:21
Would you see us trying for Sanchez in January. 30 million is still a fair price to get someone of that calibure.

{Ed001's Note - Alexis Sanchez? I wish.}

29 Oct 2017 09:11:27
What about Antoine Griezmann. He looked nailed on to utd until Athletico had a transfer ban until Jan. Mancs then went for lakuku. Could we pull it off. What’s people’s feeling on this?

29 Oct 2017 10:27:38
Peoples feelings is stop talking football manager fantasy BS man! Not in a Billion years will we ever sign Antoine Griezmann, let it GO!

29 Oct 2017 10:54:32
Thank s for reply ed. It does baffle me a bit that we don’t at least enquire.

He’s available and for a low fee.

He willing to move to the north west.

He’s versatile and can score goals.

Already plays in prem.

We play a style that would suit his game.

We can match his wages.

We have a manager who would play him every week.

We’d be mad not to try given his availability and fee.

{Ed002's Note - I wants to play at the highest level and be challenging for the domestic and Champions leagues.}

29 Oct 2017 11:26:05
Sign up ed 002 then. We can match your ambition.

29 Oct 2017 03:53:20
But I think he will flourish under Klopp.

{Ed001's Note - ?}

29 Oct 2017 05:11:16
Oh I am sorry Ed01. I just wanted to reply to my previous post.

{Ed001's Note - oh ok got you now.}

28 Oct 2017 21:54:00
Edds you are all doing a fantastic job and all us moaning supports really love this site. you have give me the site for new player profiles with a few old ones like me. But could you give me please the sites for maybe the teams that you have done and all the old players too. And thank you with all the supporters hearts.

{Ed001's Note - sorry to be a bit dense, but I am not sure what you mean mate.}