Liverpool Banter Archive November 29 2016

 

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29 Nov 2016 22:44:18
Swashbuckling best tonight? No.

Did in deep and fight for the win? Yes.

I'll take that all day long.

Big shout out to Arnold and Woodburn, should feel extremely proud.

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30 Nov 2016 01:30:38
There are no gimme games anymore neither will you b at your best in every game. Sometimes you have to dig in, fight and claw your way to victory and the boys did that today. I must say that TTA and Woodburn were great, especially Trent, who was outstanding. That cross to an equally oustanding Origi was the best cross I've seen us put in this season. Well done, boys!


30 Nov 2016 02:27:42
Got to say was very unselfish (and the right move) of Wijnaldum to flick the ball on to Woodburn. And he certainly didn't hesitate to blast it into the roof of the net. What a moment, can only imagine what that felt like.

That being said, I couldn't help but consider that our club could have been like Leeds'. Scary thought, hope they make it back up soon.


30 Nov 2016 05:53:56
Well said. People need to get used the the fact that while Couts and our other important players are missing through injury or rest, the team will be carving out narrow wins rather than steam rolling the opposition every single game. It was about 3 points or progressing to the next round and that is exactly what Klopp's army did.
Bring on Bournemouth.


30 Nov 2016 09:58:53
Lovely words by lucus after the game proud of our squad today, cheers Leeds u had a go and credit to your fans, Trent and Woodburn keep it coming lads.


29 Nov 2016 22:00:57
Loved the scenes at the end when the cameras picked up on Woodburn and Trent were celebrating with each other.

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30 Nov 2016 01:31:18
The future of LFC? Sincerely hope so.


30 Nov 2016 02:28:31
How did Ejaria do ed001? I didn't get to catch the game, only highlights. I would imagine those 2 and Ejaria are the future, but I don't see a place for Stewart. Strange contract extension that one, considering how many players we have in midfield.


{Ed001's Note - Ejaria did ok, some lovely pieces of skill, but sometimes needed to release the ball quicker. Something he needs to learn.

As for Stewart, we have no one like him, other than Lucas, proper defensive protection.}

30 Nov 2016 06:28:33
Ejaria was wasteful in possession and misplaced passings. Don't shoot me down. But I kinda like it because the lad is always looking for a forward pass and not sideways and backways.
Stewart was poor.


30 Nov 2016 07:44:02
we might lose lucas, keeping stewart may be a smart decision if you ask me.


30 Nov 2016 08:36:34
Lucas reads the game better than anyone else in the team and by some mile. The one interception he made in the second half in the middle of the pitch was just world class. if he had some pace.


30 Nov 2016 11:37:03
I think Stewartdid well, proper defensive protection.
Ejaria will learn with time didn't to bad as well.


30 Nov 2016 11:53:51
After the spurs cup game Klopp said Stewart is there because he is the best player in the squad at 1v1's and tackling/ challenging.


30 Nov 2016 17:55:13
I was not impressed with Ejaria but he will learn and improve as he has the talent, for sure.


29 Nov 2016 21:48:47
My boy Ben Woodburn flying the Welsh Fag get in!

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29 Nov 2016 22:00:33
You sure he's not Irish.


29 Nov 2016 23:33:31
The Welsh what?


29 Nov 2016 23:38:29
What difference does it make if he's Welsh English Irish etc

Well taken goal delighted for the lad, by the way he was born in Cheshire plays currently for wales underage but can obviously change to England if that opportunity ever arose in a senior role.

Is there an Irish connection?

I don't care ( and I'm Irish )

He's a Liverpool player and a damn good one at that as have seen him a few times now, just hope he is brought in the way the others at a young age are currently, progressively matured as a player into hopefully one of the top players in the premier league and also obviously still a LFC player at that stage. Let's not get overexcited about him he's very young and has a lot to learn but as I said earlier in my post Very well done to him and the rest of the squad to reach yet another semi final even though the fluency wasn't really there as it was an awkward tie if I'm being honest.


30 Nov 2016 01:32:25
The Welshman will do nicely. Enough with the Welsh-insert-ridiculous-name here.


30 Nov 2016 08:36:28
Relax people I was only pulling your leg. I haven't a clue where the heck he's from lol.


30 Nov 2016 08:46:08
Guys I promise I meant to say flag please don't hurt me.


30 Nov 2016 11:57:01
Welsh Red, you been spending time with Eric Bristow? ;-)


30 Nov 2016 12:31:39
Class Zeddicus lol.


29 Nov 2016 21:48:24
Get in Woodburn! Over the moon for the lad what a dream come true for him scoring at the kop end loved it when he scored. Another mention for Alexandra-Arnold fully deserved MOM and put in a quality ball for origis goal.
On to the semi's!

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30 Nov 2016 01:33:31
Origi wasn't too far behind for MOTM as he was being kicked from pillar to post but the boy hung in there and finished the job.


30 Nov 2016 09:21:38
Agreed mate he took a beating and put in a great shift, deserved his goal. He is so strong and quick I can't wait to see how he develops under klopp.


30 Nov 2016 17:56:47
Dilldog if he`s Lewandowski is anything to go by, Origi will be a beast under Klopp.


02 Dec 2016 10:09:52
I really do hope so mate!


29 Nov 2016 21:43:47
Congratulations to Ben Woodburn, youngest ever scorer for LFC.

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29 Nov 2016 21:29:55
Get in Woodburn lad!

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29 Nov 2016 20:45:55
Is it just me or does Can not turn out anywhere near enough when he recieves the ball, he just goes back to where it came from, same Wijnladum on occasions aswell.

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29 Nov 2016 20:50:15
Wijnaldum has been very frustrating this game, far too sloppy on the ball. let's hope we improve and get the result!


29 Nov 2016 20:53:51
Can Wijnladum and Ejaria are making the wrong decision more often that not, not giving it quickly enough.


29 Nov 2016 21:02:29
Away fans outing the Kop to shame!


29 Nov 2016 22:08:18
we started well. i was actually impressed with can, he kept knicking the ball wanting to get forward. we played poor for a large portion of the match as a team. the stewart substitution helped turn things around. ejaria started well but didn't do much in the match.

Wijnaldum gets in good positions but like lallana can be poor when it comes to the decisive moment. origi was trying too hard but showed his class in the end. mane had an alright game along with everyone else. I really don't see what stewart brings to the team though, seems to always have a costing mistake in him too.


29 Nov 2016 22:18:27
The problem is as always it for leeds it was their biggest game of the season and they're a very well supported side. For us all the regulars save their money and the tourists come in and are glad to just be there plus we play our reserves mainly and it's one of our easiest/ least exciting games of the season. Their fans are in party mode because they have the honour of anfield for a night and ours are sat expecting an anhialation.


29 Nov 2016 22:19:51
You've got to understand Harry it's their biggest night for a long long time mate, they are bound to get excited.


29 Nov 2016 22:29:03
Agree Rozz, even when Can was played right back by Rodgers he never opened himself up to play ball down flank, always standing facing inside.


29 Nov 2016 23:38:26
Leeds have a great set of fans and their team played really well tonight. They caused us lots of problems.
But the better quality in finishing proved the difference in the end.

How hard it must have been for Lucas to play tonight after today's tradegy .
Top man.


30 Nov 2016 06:30:21
Can was poor as well Wijnaldum. I don't think they are CM's anymore. Both looks decent played higher up.


{Ed001's Note - you do realise they play CM every game right?}

30 Nov 2016 07:02:36
Yes Ed01 and just when things doesn't go well Klop ask them to play high.


{Ed001's Note - and Klopp told you this did he? Only I have never seen him do that at all. He asks them to make more runs into the box and look to get on the end of things, but I have never seen him tell either to play up top.}

30 Nov 2016 07:26:31
That is what I was trying to say, Your presence high up in the opposition box. Can overkills the midfield when you have Stewart. And dare I say he isn't even at the level of Ejaria when it comes to passing.
It's like adding Xhaka to a midfield of Coq and Carzola.
Wijnaldum primararly payed on the left hand side and wasn't involved except the flick in the first and second half.

4 midfielders in a starting eleven how ever you deploy them to play doesn't make any sense to me.


{Ed001's Note - I am really not sure what you watch at times. There are zero similarities in the situations. Can plays ahead of Stewart, not alongside him. I don't think you understand what is going on, how the players are interchanging their positions constantly.}

30 Nov 2016 08:02:13
Can is not needed there. He doesn't bring anything to the game which influence the match. Ejaria for all the lost possession was still the one pulling strings together.
You just add an extra midfielder for the sake of it who is no different from one you have already on the pitch.


{Ed001's Note - Can and Ejaria are nothing like the same. They bring completely different qualities to the pitch. For starters, Can provides defensive cover and strength to the side. Ejaria has great ability but no tactical sense yet. He also lacks strength and power which would see us being outmuscled in midfield without Can there to protect him.}

30 Nov 2016 08:40:45
Yes Ejaria lacks the strength and physicality which Can possess but unfortunately that's the only thing Can brings to the team for me. As a player Ejaria is a much more of a need than Can. When you play a proper out and out defensive cover in Stewart I wouldn't play another one in Can. Can lacks vision which Ejaria has, Ejaria is also better on the ball compared to anyone on the pitch yesterday. His misplaced passes were examples of his vision in trying to find the next person in space. He moves the ball quicker than Can.
All he needs is to bulk up to adapt the first teamers.


{Ed001's Note - Can also helps on set pieces, plus his runs carrying the ball can change the game. You are getting overexcited on Ejaria, he is not ready to be a starter, Can is.}

30 Nov 2016 16:15:34
Can can.

That is all.


30 Nov 2016 18:08:56
Harry, how did you know Klopp asked Can and Wiji to play higher up the pitch? Were you in the room with them doing the tactical game plan? That would be a big, fat NO so stop acting like you know stuff because you don`t. This is the problem with the stuff you post. You just post your opinions and project them as facts whereas they make very little sense and using other players from other clubs to buttress your point only makes things worse. Stewart isn`t in the same level as Ejaria in passing. Now you think Ejaria (who was poor last night, by the way) is better and more suited than Can. Do you even read what you post? They are all very different players as Stewart is a DM, Can is a CN that offers both defensive and attacking options and Ejaria is an ACM. Good Heavens! Ejaria is still learning and is not at Can`s level yet so your overall comparisons have no basis in fact.


29 Nov 2016 19:09:43
Oh this is devastating. Kindly post this Ed's


The rescued goalkeeper Danilo died after succumbing to huge internal blood loss and organs damaging. He was admitted to hospital with two broken legs, arms,3 broken ribs, Damaged kidney and so on.
He murmured in deathbed "Jesus cuidar da minha família. e pegue a minha respiração rápida . já alguns dos meus amigos estão esperando por mim no céu . eles precisam de um goleiro lá"

Which means "Jesus look after my family and take my breathe fast. Already some of mine friends are waiting for me in heaven . they need a goalkeeper there.

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{Ed001's Note - it is heart breaking mate.}

29 Nov 2016 19:20:35
Such a tragedy.
I'm sure Jesus will look after and comfort Danilo's family.

God Bless him, and all the others who sadly died on that flight.


29 Nov 2016 20:49:10
My word that's just awful. I hope that team is automatically declared the winners of that final just out of respect.


29 Nov 2016 21:45:16
RIP and my thoughts are with all the families and friends concerned. heartbreaking. at the same time happy to see the reaction of other clubs in support, especially from brazillian serie a, shows really that somethings are beyond rivalries and this is how it should be. saddening really, no one deserves this.


29 Nov 2016 23:40:38
News like that puts everything in perspective.
RIP
YNWA.


30 Nov 2016 01:37:06
Brings tears to my eyes just reading that, Harry. My heart feels so much pain for the lost ones. May the good Lord keep the families of the lost and carry them through this horrific ordeal.


29 Nov 2016 18:50:43
Why's Grujic only on bench? Has he been injured?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why he is only on the bench but he really needs to get some more experience before slotting in at the Premier League level. He needs to be playing each week and I appreciate that his father is now giving some hassle to the club but he is expected to have a great future ahead of him. This is why a "plan" is critical for the youngsters - even if the do disappear on loan for two or three years.}

29 Nov 2016 20:11:14
Yeah its a baffling situation; he surely has a higher ceiling that Stewart.


30 Nov 2016 11:59:55
Tj, is Klopp selecting players based on architecture now?!


29 Nov 2016 18:38:23
Waking up this morning to the news of the flight carrying the Chapecoense football team coming down was terrible. RIP and my thoughts are with all familys friends teammates concerned. Those who survived may they get well soon. Such a sad time for a team who, by all accounts were making a name for themselves.

Comparisons are being made to the Munich Air Disaster for obvious reasons. It must bring back some sad painful memories for a lot of people involved at Manchester United too, my thoughts are with them too today.

Never Forget

You'll Never Walk Alone.

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29 Nov 2016 22:23:44
Condolences to friends and family of all that passes, can't really put it into words.
RIP
YNWA.


30 Nov 2016 02:57:30
RIP to all of them.

Let God give strength to their families to overcome this tragic loss.

YNWA.


29 Nov 2016 17:53:26
Two 90's for Gomez in 5 days eh!

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29 Nov 2016 17:49:17
Wondered what you think of our CB situation? Matip has clearly been a star since he came in but, whilst Lovren is decent and a valued member of the team, I think he's the 'least good' member of our first 11 and the next player we should upgrade. My hope is that Gomez is the answer but, assuming he's even good enough, I feel he's at least 18 months away from being first choice. Should we stick with Lovren for the medium term or see if we can bring in a world class partner for Matip in the summer?

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29 Nov 2016 19:05:09
Klopp believes in coaching first and replacing if coaching does not work. Lovren has improved a lot since his calamitous days under BR but then again even a CB duo of Maldini-Baresi would look useless under him. Lovren has improved remarkably especially with Matip next to him as the leader of the back line. Is he the answer? Only time will tell. As for Gomez, he needs a run of games at CB, not LB as he isn`t one. He won`t get them here hence, a loan should be the way forward, just like Ward is doing at Huddersfield and only after that should he be judged.


{Ed002's Note - I think, and this has been explained on many occasions before, that Gomez has zero experience at anything like the Premier League level, and whilst Klipperty apparently made commitments to the lad they may not be kept. Ward will get his chance as a number two next season when Mignolet will kove on - if, and it is a big if, Ward can live with the chances as the come along then that will work just fine. But the Liverpool fans also need to realise that many goalkeepers do not have the mentality to be happy with the armchair and picking the occasional appearance up (hence why so many back up keepers are in their mid thirties). It will be a big decision for Ward in the summer - Liverpool number two, or a number one chance at a second tier side, perhaps in the Premier League.}

29 Nov 2016 19:29:56
We are second in the league and starting to get clean sheets and you want to get rid of one of our players, nice faith in the guys dude. Let's maybe give them till end of the season and maybe they'll repay us with more clean sheets and a new great Liverpool CB partnership, worth giving them the chance?


29 Nov 2016 20:15:46
That's a very romanticised view of how Klopp works Ham, klopp's team will already have a rough idea of future transfer plans and probably has a priority, it may not be Lovren but there will be new first 11 players next year. I just like speculating what he may be thinking.


29 Nov 2016 16:05:02
Hey Eds and Reds,

Just giving my update on Danny Ward's performance in Huddersfield's 1-2 defeat at home to Wigan.

It was a bad result for Town against a side battling around the relegation places, and leaves them clinging onto a playoff place when a matter of weeks earlier, they were top of the Championship.

Despite the score line, Huddersfield dominated the game. Wigan's two goals were on the counter attack and Town had 70% possession. As such, Ward had little to do over 90 minutes.

He made a couple of reasonable saves, one down low from a Wildschut strike in the first half but he could do little about Burke's goal. A cross came in, deflected off a Town defender and left Burke unmarked and therefore Ward helpless to prevent the opening goal.

Wigan's second goal, well if I'm being honest, Ward left me unimpressed. Wildschut was too easily let through by a slow Town back line so Ward came out 1-on-1. He was slow to coke out in my view and his attempt to stop Wildschut, well frankly it wasn't great. He was all too easily roundedby Wildschut and that was 2-1.

You'll see from his stats, he didn't so much as have a catch to make aside that so an uneventful but poor night for Ward I'm afraid.

His kicking was otherwise fine but he was never given much difficulty with it.

He will have better games, games where he will perhaps have more moments to impress but last night won't be one to remember for him nor Huddersfield Town for that matter.

Hope that's ok for you guys!

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29 Nov 2016 17:32:10
I actually saw the game myself here in the States on BEIN Sports and I agree that Ward did not cover himself in glory with some of his decision making. I will say that his defence hung him out to dry at times due to mistakes or maybe the way David Wagner has them playing but boy, were they ripe for the taking on every counter attack from Wigan. Just a bad day at the office for the whole team and manager, IMO.


29 Nov 2016 17:39:43
Thank you for the update Red! :)


29 Nov 2016 17:53:18
Couldn't agree more Hamilton. Wagner wants his team playing nice, expansive football but Hudson doesn't have the legs for it and he hasn't worked out his best partnership at the back. Tommy Smith has improved offensively as a right back but I have never rated him highly defensively. So yes, his defence did hang him out to dry at times but hopefully that will improve as Huddersfield get more used to Wagner's style.


29 Nov 2016
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Image speaks louder than words

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29 Nov 2016 17:32:11
RIP YNWA.


29 Nov 2016 17:47:42
Thanks Ed, Sorry forgot to caption the pic, Those three players were injured/ suspended so was not on the plane. However they must be heartbroken to lose friends and team mates.


29 Nov 2016 12:58:04
I think Lallana is going to be the key over the next month. While Firmino and Origi can be interchanged between the CF and left midfield/ wing positions, Lallana provides that quick spark to press and get that quick, creative pass to an open space where someone can run into. And then to run into open space himself for one-twos and interplay. The last two games we've been slow and bogged down in midfield, unable to pierce through packed defenses. And I think Mane has missed Lallana's support play.

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29 Nov 2016 17:34:35
I posted the exact same thing yesterday, Ra1969 hence, I agree. Lallana is the one that will soften the blow of Couts and or Mane`s absence, IMO. His ability to rove the midfield, finding open spaces, his quick interchange play and ability to now assist and score, will be vital.


29 Nov 2016 09:07:16
Thoughts go out to the Chapocoense football team and there familys.

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29 Nov 2016 12:00:53
Agreed mate well said. Thoughts go with their family and friends. Times like this is when football clubs and fans need to come together.


29 Nov 2016 13:48:07
Absolutely heart wrenching. Hundreds of families torn apart in an instant. Only just read about it and it has ruined my day. Not just because it is a football team. But because 81 people have either lost their lives or had them changed forever. Heart goes out to all affected. I hope we hold a minutes silence tonight. Some of our best players in the last few years have hailed from Brazil. If not for simple humanity, we owe our support to them.


29 Nov 2016 12:21:34
Caio Junior (manager) after qualifying for the Copa Final: "If I died today, I'd die happy".


29 Nov 2016 16:44:23
Copa Sudamericana finalists Atlético Nacional have requested that CONMEBOL award the title to Chapecoense.

Incredible gesture.


29 Nov 2016 16:58:56
Corinthians have sent a formal request to the CBF asking for Chapecoense to be exempt from Serie A relegation for the next three seasons.

All Serie A clubs have agreed to the request, which also includes free loan signings for Chapecoense for the 2017 season.


29 Nov 2016 17:07:20
Agreed RIP and best wishes to everyone involved. Incredible gesture from Nacional as Harry said and also from Corinthians who have requested they have a three year stint where they can't be relegated from Serie A.


29 Nov 2016 17:22:08
Absolutely devastating news, prayers are with everyone that perished and all friends and families of everyone involved. Our thoughts are with you all.


29 Nov 2016 17:35:34
Just saw the news and I was almost in tears for those on board, their families, friends and the whole football world. Our prayers are with them as this is a difficult time for everyone, period.


29 Nov 2016 08:48:09
Ed01, If you are free mate
I would like to hear from you on Gylfi Sigurdsson. He was once linked to us.
Dare I say he is the most under rated player in the league.

Thanks mate.

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{Ed001's Note - he is ok, decent Prem player, but nothing special. Good touch, good shot, decent workrate, but is not top class. Certainly not good enough to get in our team, nor was he good enough for Spurs. Nowhere near the most underrated player in the league, not even sure he is underrated at all.}

29 Nov 2016 09:08:22
Thanks mate. Everytime I have seen him play he has impressed me.


29 Nov 2016 10:25:51
Out of curiosity Ed001 who, in your opinion, would you say is the most underrated player in the league?

For me, I would say Henderson. This is because it really does seem that no fans, except for some Liverpool fans, rate him.

Red Sandman.


{Ed001's Note - I would say he is certainly up there, he is the most underrated in our side at least. As for the rest, there are very few players that aren't ridiculously overhyped, so it is difficult to pick any out as underrated. I would have to put Dembele of Spurs up there though.}

29 Nov 2016 10:46:53
I'd say the mancs and the bitters are under hated👌.


29 Nov 2016 10:51:14
Hendo has been absolutely fantastic for us. I remember in the summer there was a lot of people (liverpool fans on here) doubting his abilities, where are they now. He's come back from a difficult period due to injuries and really has showed people what he's worth. The lads looking top class this season and will only improve further der Klopp.


29 Nov 2016 10:53:13
I rate Demebele very high and for the same reason I am lately called a Spurs fan lol. He is a tank of a CM for me. He bosses games with so much ease. Get past players just like that. A midfeld monster with great touch and fine passing ability.
I don't think Henderson is under rated. He is rated very high aound.


{Ed001's Note - Hendo is very underrated, you only have to ask on any other site, none of them see what he does.}

29 Nov 2016 10:57:59
Troy Deeney! Everyone thinks he is just a brute. His creative passing, deft flick ons, inch perfect knock downs, work rate, penalty reliability etc is up there with any other striker in the league. Literally his only down side for me is that he doesn't score enough. He is probably too unselfish! I imagine he is an absolute dream to play with as a strike partner though. He would occupy the defenders and bring you into the game.

Far more than just the battering ram he is perceived as by many.


29 Nov 2016 13:09:56
Dembele and Son are my picks for players being underrated. Those are the only players from Spurs I would want in our team.


29 Nov 2016 13:53:21
Y would you want Son Hamilton. He would be available for a sale as he has been a shadow of a player he was in Germany.
Dembele is a what Can and Wijnaldum are trying to become if they succeed one day.


29 Nov 2016 13:56:09
Hendo is the exact same as xabi. Yes we all knew how good he was bu5 we really didn't know just how much h3 did. Football knowledgable people like ed and such did. My point is watch the drop from our tean if hendo goes out. Dare i say that might be the only way people start giving him the respect he deserves.


29 Nov 2016 14:43:56
Great shout on Dembele, he is an utter beast!

Red Sandman.


29 Nov 2016 16:56:33
I think James Milner is under rated to be honest.


29 Nov 2016 17:22:28
Whose the most under rated poster on this site Ed01?
Ron must be one 😎.


{Ed001's Note - underrated? Surely that has to go to Carra23 who does the loan updates?}

29 Nov 2016 17:44:45
Harry, I agree that Son has not been the same player as in his Leverkusen days but you have to admit, he is a talent. In fact, he stood in for Kane very well when Kane was out (scoring 5 goals) and City could not cope with his movement when they lost at the Lane. I`d be mad too if I was being benched for players like Cissoko and Lamela who are not his equal nor as talented as him, IMO. I would still take him in a heart beat because that Leverkusen player is still there so to me, all he needs is a manager who knows him, believes in him and his ability and if any manager can do that, it would be Klopp. not saying it would happen, tho.


29 Nov 2016 18:28:04
Son on his best day wouldn't displace any of our front 4. I see no chance. While Dembele is what this club is missing.


29 Nov 2016 18:29:09
We all love Carra gold Ed. Everyone knows his name.


29 Nov 2016 19:15:13
Harry, I never said Son would be a starter for us as he wouldn`t be. You came to that conclusion on your own. As for Dembele, he is not what we need and wouldn`t start in place of Lallana or Hendo. Now ahead of Wiji or Can? maybe.


29 Nov 2016 08:23:08
Paul Merson - "If Liverpool can buy Van Dijk for £50 million in January, they will take some beating. Defensively, they aren't going to be good enough, but if they can get Van Dijk, that nearly wins you the Premier League. "

Just more predictable tropes regurgitated out by British football 'experts'.

Due to whom Liverpool and City play this week, there is a good chance that after this weekend City will have an equal or larger 'goals conceded' tally than Liverpool, and that is despite Liverpool's more challenging start to the season. But what's the bet that they refuse to rule out City for the title while they still 'um and ah' about Liverpool because of defensive concerns.

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29 Nov 2016 08:32:43
I think it will be a mistake buying another Southampton player for a large sum of money. That club is like Arsenal. Those who goes out fails missebaly except Mane.
I would look Sule or Jonathan Tah ( Cheaper and actually brilliant ) .


29 Nov 2016 08:55:14
Lallana has hardly failed miserably this season has he.


29 Nov 2016 09:00:33
How the hell would adding Van Dijk make such a difference anyway?

Since the crazy first two games, we've only conceded 9 goals.

That's 9 goals in 11 games - a very good record.

Buying Van Dijk would not change anything, not the point where it's the difference between winning the title and not winning the title.


29 Nov 2016 09:41:34
I'm telling people van dijk would be a quality singing . If we don't sign him a united or city would. I don't get people problem is from buying from saints . If the player is good to make the squad better surely that a good thing.


29 Nov 2016 09:59:53
I agree Reus, if you don't want a player simply because he's from Southampton then you're not looking at the situation correctly.

That being said, we don't necessarily need him to win the title. He'd arguably improve the defence, but the defence is hardly the shambles the media wants people to believe.


{Ed001's Note - I am not sure he would improve things. In my opinion he is exactly what we do not need. He goes off wandering, when the situation demands he stays put, then doesn't get back quickly enough. Often he is stood watching the game, waiting to see what happens, rather than anticipating the situation and being decisive. He is a typical Brit-type player though, beloved because he is big and fast, despite having no intelligence on the pitch whatsoever.}

29 Nov 2016 10:52:12
What I like to call MOTD player. Good in highlights every now an then.


29 Nov 2016 10:57:20
Does Fonte basically make him look good?


{Ed001's Note - he organises things, plus they always play with a stopper in front, Wanyama last season and Romeu this season, who covers his lapses to a large degree. You still see Van Dijk often stood on the edge of the box with his hands on his hips nowhere near the play when they concede goal far too often.}

29 Nov 2016 11:22:10
I have said this over a number of times we need to stop looking at defenders who has a DM playing ahead or two. Everyone on the Planet would look good with stopper ahead. Ask Lovren and Chris Smalling they all excels with two men in the midfield.
Liverpool play differently.


29 Nov 2016 11:23:25
I bet merse pronounced van dijk wrong when he said this.


29 Nov 2016 11:31:49
Ed001 - Would you rate Aldeweireld, Koscielny and Cahill ahead of Van Dijk?


{Ed001's Note - yes, yes and no.}

29 Nov 2016 11:56:31
Thanks Ed001.


{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

29 Nov 2016 12:33:58
Alderweireld, Koscielny and Matip are probably the top 3 centre backs in the league to be honest.


29 Nov 2016 13:36:18
These pundits should do stand up comedy because that`s how clueless they sound. Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about. Van Dyke is an average defender who looks good in a good defensive setup and in highlight reels, tracking back to make last ditch tackles where as he was out of position to begin with. Just with Skrtel who looked good with Masche and Lucas in front of him or in a 3-5-2 defensive system whereas individually, he was pants.

At saint Mary`s, Saints played with Romeu and Hojbjerg in front of their defense hence, the protection was there. Yet Van Dyke still went walk about and lost Firmino and had to grab his shirt to stop him from getting on the end of the ball. on a good day, that is a red card. This is what Ed is alluding to and I`m glad he saw it.

We don`t need him and he is NO upgrade on Lovren as Matip is not even on the same planet as Van Dyke. This is coming from the media who think Stones is the furure at CB whereas the guy is a dud. I`ll take Klopp`s opinion any day over these media "pundits".


29 Nov 2016 13:55:19
Koscienly is the best by a mile. He has been up there consistently from years now. There's is nothing he is poor at. A pair of Matip and Kosc would win title.


29 Nov 2016 12:17:28
Go on then Ed let's have it, all non Liverpool, best CB in the league, most overrated and one for the future.


{Ed001's Note - Alderweireld, Van Dijk, Jack Stephens (Soton).}

29 Nov 2016 13:47:34
Who would you sign to sort the problem ed1? Just interested to know what you think would help.


{Ed001's Note - what problem? There hasn't been much of a problem since Matip and Karius have been in the team! What do we need to sort?}

29 Nov 2016 13:58:19
But do you not think matip would improve him? he's not xoming in to play alsongside a wannabee.


{Ed001's Note - no, I don't think he is the right player to play alongside him. Van Dijk needs to play alongside someone else, anyone else, so long as it is not at our club.}

29 Nov 2016 14:41:31
Whether we need him or not I'd have alderweirld tomorrow. Having said this i'm happy with how we are, we don't need him or ANYBODY in my opinion. We have a squad who are capable. I know it won't happen but in summer I'd then welcome alderweirld with open arms.


29 Nov 2016 16:58:09
We will win the league with or without Van Dijk. 😎.


29 Nov 2016 17:47:34
Spot on, LFC16. I would take Alderweireld as well. In fact, I can easily name 5 CB`s in the PL alone that are better than the overrated Van Dyke. Matip, Alderweireld, Koscielnty, Ben Gibson and Fonte. I`m sure if I do more research, I`ll come up with more.


29 Nov 2016 07:18:41
pulisic to Liverpool rumours already started, how utterly predictable.

Believable3 Unbelievable1

29 Nov 2016 08:35:17
An exciting winger and plenty of interst. Mane has proved some atleast beyond a doubt what if you play a winger on the flanks and not a midfielder.
Pace, Quick feet, Dribble and an eye for goal.


29 Nov 2016 13:36:51
He won`t be moving as BVB have said he`s not for sale.


29 Nov 2016 16:58:58
I read Pullis to Liverpool.


Just need to reset my coronaries now 😄.


{Ed001's Note - it would be one way for him to raise the money to repay what he scammed from Palace at least....}

29 Nov 2016 05:48:39
sounds like the youngsters and squad players to get a chance tonight vs leeds, also i'm gutted for countinho but the best thing we can do for him is to make sure we are still in a good position when he returns, and I believe we have the players to do just that, sadly injuries play a part in the season and it looks like ours have all come along at once, however I remain positive because of the players we have and of course our manager.

Believable8 Unbelievable1

29 Nov 2016 06:43:08
The next 5 games are all winnable without Coutinho. We will need to win scrappy until he comes back.


29 Nov 2016 07:06:50
I think once lallana gets back we will be fine. No need for scrappy performances then.


29 Nov 2016 09:16:38
Winning scrappy Harry? I don't think so, we're in a position now where we don't have to rely on one player. Coutinho will of course be missed during his absense but we have quality to cover. We will be fine.


29 Nov 2016 10:05:08
Liverpool FC

I wouldn't mind winning scrappy mate. I don't care who put the ball in the net. We should get maximum points.


29 Nov 2016 13:41:15
I don`t like the "winnable" games comment as it lessens the sense of urgency needed in preparation and if things don`t go our way, we start to moan in the stands. has the Sunderland game taught us nothing? There are no gimme games anymore in the PL as we are seeing. You have to be prepared to fight and scrap because teams will park the bus when the play us, even on their own patch as the Saints have shown. Let`s just focus on the game, respect the opponent and perform on the pitch. As for Couts, I think we`ll be fine as Klopp already has a flexible team with flexible players that can do the job not as good as Couts, but with the team ethic we have, I`m confident we can overcome his absence especially with Lallana coming back in a couple of weeks.


29 Nov 2016 14:48:17
I wouldn't mind either Harry a wins a win no matter what. I just don't think itll be scrappy wins just because coutinho is out we have a lot of talent in the squad. But yeah I do agree be all and end all a wins a win no matter how it's done.


28 Nov 2016 22:01:17
Hi all.

Sorry if this is not entirely Liverpool related, but since he was a Liverpool player, I would like to ask any of the Eds' opinions on Victor Moses.

I found it quite admiring, given the loans that he had, and finally broke into Chelsea's first team, and even performing, getting praises week in week out. He stayed patient eventhough he's been sent out on loan for seasons, and what a loyal club servant he seems to be.

Thanks.

Believable0 Unbelievable1

{Ed001's Note - not good enough, despite all the plaudits he is getting, he is still not good enough. He was torn apart for 90min defensively against Spurs at the weekend, but everyone overlooks that because he scored a goal. I fail to see the hype and he will be found out. His touch is not good enough, he is just quick and works hard.}

29 Nov 2016 06:46:30
He is not a winger nor he is a full back hence he plays in between. Unlike at other clubs there Are no expectations from a wingback at Chelsea. His pace helps them greatly and only expected from him. They have midfielders covering his back in any case he is caught. They would never miss him if he is out injured or sold next summer.
He is having a time similar to one Benayoon had at Liverpool. Everything going well.


{Ed001's Note - except Benayoun was quality, he had an excellent touch, great skill and exceptional workrate.}

29 Nov 2016 07:31:24
Couldn't help but still admiring his patient to stay with the club. Or maybe, there weren't much interest on him from other clubs apart from just loans. Thanks though.


{Ed001's Note - or he was getting paid ridiculous amounts of money no one else would come near to matching? Because that was all it was about, money.}

29 Nov 2016 09:18:13
I agree ed1, he's never stood out to me as been a good player, infact quite the opposite.


29 Nov 2016 10:03:04
Match of the day even highlighted how son constantly gave him the slip during that game and capitalised on his lack of defensive awareness. If spurs stuck to their game plan they may have gotten something from the game.

He is an average player playing in a team performing above average atm. I guarantee if bertrand was still playing for them he would be in ahead of him, it just highlights they have a lack of options in the position.


29 Nov 2016 11:15:51
Moses is nowhere as good as Benayoun. In fact, Benayoun is up there with Henderson in terms of being unappreciated and under-rated.


29 Nov 2016 13:46:43
Harry, the fact that you compared a well below average player like Moses to a very talented player like Benayoun shows you know very little about football. Benayoun was a class act. He had more skill, technical ability, intelligence and work rate in his left toe than Moses has in his whole body. Moses was getting hammered vs Son on the weekend and Spurs literally showed the blue print of how to counter the vaunted 3-4-3 formation of Chelsea by overloading on Moses` wing with Delle Ali and Son but simply ran out of legs. Moses is average and that is a fact.


29 Nov 2016 03:47:29
Just watched the karius goal kick again. Does anyone else find it kind of awesome? I mean some times you just have to laugh at yourself or you go crazy. It is what Klopp hit on during the game. ( in a round about way)
As an athlete your going to make a mistake every so often, especially if your trying to be positive or take chances. Players who fear mistakes or worse fans who berate players for a missed pass or two are poison.
Well played to klopp and well played to karius, I am sure he got some well deserved shtick in the locker room.
Please just don't do it again.

Believable6 Unbelievable1

29 Nov 2016 05:34:17
I'd prefer to just reserve judgement like I did for mignolet until the second season, although I can't remember mignolet making the same sort of glaring mistakes in his first season. I can only assume he will get better, and we will have a top class goalkeeper on our hands, but he has done nothing to convince anyone just yet, largely because he has been untested and made mistakes of his own doing. Its important to balanced, there's supporting the players, then there's putting on the red tinted glasses. Nothing to laugh about at all, if mignolet had done it, we would never let him forget it.


{Ed001's Note - sorry but you obviously didn't even watch Mignolet in the first season, if you think he didn't make glaring mistakes. He was hopeless from the start.}

29 Nov 2016 05:55:28
it will probably end up on one of those football bloopers dvds.


29 Nov 2016 06:36:52
Karius has still yet to prove he is a step up from Mignolet but, to be fair, our defence hasn't allowed enough shots on goal this season for him to be able to show anything.


{Ed001's Note - the passes he made in the last game alone make him a step up from Migs. Sorry but anyone trying to claim otherwise needs help. Mignolet was an embarrassment, he is simply not good enough in any area of the game.}

29 Nov 2016 07:44:44
nah Annie karius is a big step up from migs mate.


29 Nov 2016 08:54:35
Migs is a great shots stopper.
But really weak on crosses and distribution. He panics with the ball at his feet and that has an effect on the rest of the defence
I can't see Migs improve anymore where as karius is still learning his trade.
And the only place he'll learn it is in the first team playing week after week with a settled defense.
Similar to Degea in bis first year I guess.


{Ed001's Note - Migs is not a great shotstopper, that was why we conceded the first shot on target in almost every game he played in. He is not good at any aspect of the game.}

29 Nov 2016 10:55:56
Great shot stopper? Was he in goal for that 13-12 penalty fiasco?


29 Nov 2016 11:25:43
The way Matip and Lovren are playing, and are instructed to play, we need a keeper who is as good with his feet, as his hands. Mignolet is nowhere near that, absolutely. Aside from being good at penalties, I never really saw any particular strength. And his body language is all about hesitancy on everything, all the time.


29 Nov 2016 12:45:03
Ive seen Karius do all the things Migs did - kick the ball into touch; spill crosses; miss punches, etc. I don't rate Mignolet as a keeper but I've seen nothing so far to suggest Karius is an upgrade.
Im desperate for him to prove me wrong and he needs a good season to prove himself but there have been no signs SO FAR to show we have scored a top replacement for Migs.


29 Nov 2016 14:05:09
Oh i swear you will make the eda close this site down if you keep claiming mgnolet is a good keeper. He is the worst keeper in the prem hands down and would struggle getting into chanpionship teams. AND he's a good shot stopper is not a claim to being a good goal keeper. Anyone can stop shots. i know i'm appaling in goal for everything else cornerw, passing, throwing, sweeping etc etc but aftually a really good shot stopper haha. does not make me a premier league quality gk does it. Karius is fabulous, and has the world at his feet. You just pray it goes wrong so you cab say i told you so. Watch how shaly the team is tonight with mig in the sticka. ,


29 Nov 2016 14:35:36
Don`t worry, Ed. It seems some people have very short memories as to Mingo`s performances when he first arrived. In his debut vs Stoke, he was flapping at crosses all game but all was forgotten because he saved a penalty. They seem to have forgotten all the goals and points he has cost us in his three years spent here being unchallenged and are not able to give the same benefit of the doubt to Karius. He`s a good shot stopper? Really? NONSENSE. If he was so good, how come he led the PL in goals conceded at the first attempt? Can his "supporters" answer that? Karius is already a step up from Mingo and slowly but surely, he is getting there. People dishonestly focus on the miscued pass vs Sunderland yet cannot bring themselves to acknowledge the two good saves he made vs Pienaar and Watmore. Mingo has never been a good keeper and his three years here has proven that because if he was, Karius wouldn`t be here. Get over yourselves because the knipicking about his game is just becoming hopeless and pathetically dishonest.


29 Nov 2016 16:56:38
Really can't wrap my head around I Hamilton. He's shocking and always has been. Only way it makes sense is if they get paid when he plays because other than that there isn't a reasonable logic out there.

Maybe they just want to have a reason to moan at klopp because right now he isn't giving them F**king anything! And he had a go at them on the weekend so probably fumin.


 
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