Liverpool Banter Archive November 29 2012
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29 Nov 2012 23:36:45
When Lucas is back-midfield has to be him,Shelvey and Allen.Gerrard right wing,Sterling leftwing,Suarez uptop untill window purchases-hopefully.Hendo offers little,Sahin too lightweight and wants too much time.Suso can be impact off bench if Stevie has a dis interested game.Can hook Stevie and Suso can switch flanks with Sterling i.m.o
Gerrard doesn't have the legs for it.
Nor the appetite nowadays it seems.
The Squirrel
Gerrard can't commit to playing the way he did for Benitez using the Rodgers tactics, it's not set up for a marauding attacking midfielder. It's about the shape and integrity to the team. If Gerrard goes on a run, he'll throw the mid into doubt.
Even Rodgers talks at length about this, but arm chair tools, who think they're in the know, or switched on, fail to see this and read the managers plans; thus their argument comes apart like a loose thread in a stitch.
Gerrard has a different role to fulfil in the team, the tactics have changed drastically, the positioning of players has changed drastically, the balls from the breaks in possession are not coming to Gerrard's feet so he can run on goal, no! The whole team, again the whole team, is set up for Suarez to score goals on the counter attack.
Read the damned sticky.
Sticky i AINT an armchair like you lad.And out wide you dont have to be marauding-ie.Becks.Decent balls in will do.Old set up you mention was through middle.And if we cant accomodate Gerrard so be it,rest him.Your remote batteries need replacing!
29 Nov 2012 23:32:38
Wisdom has to be rightback,Johnson leftback,with Enrique infront of him.Dont play Hendo or Downing again unless desperate.
29 Nov 2012 23:30:48
Dear rodgers...it is in your own interest you get the team winning..those that of us that keep supporting you are running out of ideas..praising the team anytime we loose we were magnificent won't get the 3points..make some changes bench gerrard,allen or anybody not playing well...cos if the results don't change and the fans start to turn on fsg..they would have no choice but to sack you..and those players who are letting you down and you kept praising would still be at liverpool not you..you've been really lucky brendan we are 12th in the league and most fans still believe in you..don't let us down..put those fans to shame comparing you to. Hodgson.and get the team winning and moving up the table.WE ARE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB,WE CANNOT BE IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE LEAGUE..NO EXCUSES...
Didnt post ur name i see ur a muppet and dont even go as far as tell ume u watch liverpool let alone support us
livlim
It seems as if rodgers doesnt try to win. he starts off defensive then when they r losing then brings on subs like shelvey to attack when they r down. its not working brendan maybe put the attacking players first then bring on defensive subs late if u have the lead
It's his mentality and hence the mentality of his teams.
"Forget the result just keep the ball".
Too negative, we should focus on outing the opposition on the back foot and attack from KO.
29 Nov 2012 23:02:04
As we are allowed only two loan signings and we have five central midfielders (Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Shelvey, Henderson and possibly a sixth in Suso), would it be more beneficial for the team to cut short the Sahin loan deal and use the two loan slots for strikers? Would it be possible also to cut the loan short? My opinion of him to date is that he is a very mush poorer version of the 'great' Xabi Alonso, but with a far lower work rate and passing ability. I would not buy him on what he has shown to date, even if that was to be an option at the end of the season. What do you think?
Victor {Ed002's Note - I don't see that as being part of the plan. I know of one enquiry for a loan and that is it. A forward will, in my vie, be purchased.}
29 Nov 2012 22:45:43
Instead of selling Henderson, Downing, Carroll, Gerrard, Allen, Reina, Borini, Enrique, Johnson and Cole in January and buying Messi, Ronaldo and Falcao, could we possibly sell some of the dross on this website? There's plenty of clubs who are happy to take you moaners. I hear City have a load of money? Why don't you guys go and support them, that's all you seem to care about.
I'd rather sit for the rest of my life in the Stretford End getting absolutely slaughtered in my Liverpool shirt than buy anyone of you back stabbing, abusive, childish imbeciles a drink.
'Hey, Liverpool lost, lets go and slag off every player and Rodgers and for good measure lets abuse Ed 02 for joke.'
I have more respect for Evra, Tevez, Fergie, Ferdinand and Torres than I ever will for any of you lot.
John jft96
Stop moaning john
Ridiculous...so lets keep our mouth shut and see the joker show on the pitch?
are u nuts?
29 Nov 2012 22:41:50
need to sign the great players across the park lads, like fella jelly baines pienaar even hibbert! have fun in the bottom half boys! XD
29 Nov 2012 23:31:18
Oh I'm sorry haven't Everton spent the best part of the last 20yrs in the bottom half of the table?! 3 times nearly relegated. I was 15 the last time Everton won a trophy, I'm now 33.
Within that time we've won 1 European Cup, 2 European super cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 2 F.A. Cups, 3 League Cups and 2 Community Shields. In case you can't count that's 11 trophies in the last 17-18yrs to your none, and don't say I'm living in the past coz the most recent one of those was won only last season.
Within the next 18 months normal order will be restored and yous can wipe your nose bleeds away and carry on watching Liverpool win trophies.
Yes we're havin a bit of a 'blip' at the current time but our club has been through a massive overhaul, we have a young manager, a young squad in a transitional period where a few older players were let go and young players brought through and in the next two windows a few more players being brought in to replace the ones that went and to bulk up our small squad along side the young players we have, our manager still hasn't got his squad and which after 11yrs I'm guessing Moyes has deffinatly got his squad.
Everton are still due their annual bad run of results, the injuries have already started again. Where we're only gonna get stronger with our young players gaining experience all the time, some players coming back from injury - Lucas, Kelly, Borini and quite probably a couple of additions in january.
So we'll see what happens.
dannyMAC
Why rise to the bait dannyMac?
Liverpool have not won the biggest prize of all, the Premier League. They have not lifted a league trophy for over 20 years, they have spent hundreds of millions on second rate players, trying to compete with those above them. I'm no Everton fan, but what they have achieved is remarkable in the modern game. They compete, play with passion and flair and get the best out of a small squad. Rodgers cock up over not getting a striker, would have got him the sack at a bigger club. Liverpool should stop living in the past or they wont have much of a future to talk about.
Oh im sorry is that a typical liverpool an living in the past again, and i do beleive we came above ypu last season also? and our run of bad results is now, plus with mirallas back we can nly get stronger and bh, the only players i rate at liverpool are suarez, agger and gerrard the others arnt god enough if u think your team biggest club in the world! typical kopite with excuses and excuses, face it were the better team at this moment in time!
Biggest prize is actually the European cup my freind, and i think you'll find we won that, and it was'nt 18yrs ago either, Also, it wasn't Rodger's at fault for no striker being brought in, so before you spout facts, at least get them right.....
ST33VO
RED4LIFE
Ah, if only we could trade it all in for just one of Evertons trophies over the past 20 years..........er, hang on!
17 years......
We'll see how cocky the Everton fans are once Fellaini packs his bags for Chelsea and Baines dons a United shirt. That'll be them pretty much screwed.
JFT 96
JP
Lost count the amount of times seen Blues ite crying at our hands over Semi/Final defeats,often at Wembley.Suppose we'd be madly bitter and bring out rare win dvd's,crow about odd finish above them if in their shoes.Pity them Danny and Co.Its very sad when you think of above Stats
29 Nov 2012 22:24:48
If you could buy any player in the premiership for Liverpool who would it be?
For me it would be Bale.
Balotelli, just for the crack.
Serious one, aguero or fellaini.
Benny baller
Howard Webb from United ;)
Seriously, Yaya or David Silva
29 Nov 2012 22:09:46
Hey eds. Don't mean to winge but it's really difficult to make posts from a galaxy android phone. Love the site {Ed001's Note - which Galaxy phone?}
More of a bounty man myself.....
Benny baller
29 Nov 2012 21:44:20
dust has settled i hope after last night. saw game just now, first 20 mins dire, but bossed it after that. br not there a few wet weeks yet. i am not saying defo he is going to be a major success but will wait untill second season is over, then make up my mind.
we have a good core of players, top class youth coming up, ambitious owners (if only to make money, who cares) who have invested and will invest more money. we will not get top 4 this season, most of the fans on here at the start of the season agreed that. now the results are what you expect of a team in transition that will finish 7-9 in the pl.
playing with wisdom and sterling-two future stars. shelvey and susso two huge prospects to replace stevie g. lucas coming back next week.
cant believe how good suarez is this season, please, please br bring in a partner he deserves, and we will destroy sides.
yesil, morgan, ibe and sinclair. now if only one of these lads reaches their full potential, we have front three of one of them with suarez and sterling.
susso/shelvey/allen with lucas.
at the back wisdom, robinson, sama coming through with johnson, agger and coates just to name a few.
it will take time, only suarez will be tempted to leave imo next summary.
tello for me would be a class signing, or maybe matias suarez in jan.
young players like halilovic as well, just keep bringing young players in like sterling and ibe and co. it is proving to be successful already, and will be more so in the future.
10 years ago real madrid were winning leagues and cl, signing top players like zidane. where were barca. tell you where, playing in the uefa cup and they were coaching their young players in their youth setup. look what happened.
this is the only way we can move forward. support LIVERPOOL FC. if you want to bash LIVERPOOL put your name after it.
we are third most successful club in europe. we are LIVERPOOL and we will be back.
B O H
No good bossing a game once you have gone 2-0 down.
Stop living in the past!! This is 2012 not 1982!!
The results speak for themselves!.
Not good enough.
Time for change.
This is 2012 and were still the third most successful club in Europe
Above - Fantastic response...
2 posts above-yea true but where once most successful team in English Leauge
29 Nov 2012 21:44:05
Will people please stop saying
"We play great football"
If you play great football you get results.
A pilot who crashes on landing doesn't say "yeah but you should have seen my takeoff and my cruising at 30k feet.
A surgeon who removes the wrong kidney doesn't say "I stitched the wound up beautifully".
A taxi driver who gets lost doesn't say "look at the beautiful scenic route".
A chef who poisons his customers doesn't say "I sautéed those potatoes nicely"
Results matter!
Of course results are important, but if you cant see the improvement in the way we are playing you must either be watching something else or you are one of those who think that just because we are liverpool we have an automatic right to win.Rafa lost the plot at the end,hodgson was too negative,kenny spent money on some overpriced rubbish, and we never finished in the top 4.Something new had to be tried so give BR until at least the end of season before judging him, because his predecesors were the ones who left us in the sh***te
Very true, but everyone of your examples took years to get where they are. We've been going a few months and you expect to be the best?
If you don't do what's needed now you never get there!
Results will come.
A post which makes silly analogies doesn't say "this post was ridiculous and has no point".
Of course you can play great football and not get a good result. In the exact same way you can play extremely badly in football and come away with 3 points.
RedChris
RedChris's example is the exception. Very few teams play badly every week and win. Whereas if you listen to Brendan's propaganda we play brilliantly every week and the officials cost us the game.
It doesn't work like that. Over time the best teams get the best results.
If you're not outscoring your opponents then you're doing it wrong.
I think to be fair we play pretty well every week but cannot get goals.
29 Nov 2012 21:06:32
Lots of stuff circulating that LFC are interested in Max Gradal - is this just social media guff or had anyone heard anything more on this!?
NS {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}
Maybe lfc as in luton football club.
B O H
Luton TOWN ....ltfc
The Max Gradal that was playing in league one 2 seasons back for Leeds!
29 Nov 2012 20:55:42
are we looking at samuel armemteros?
29 Nov 2012 20:40:26
i would just like to ask the fans on here who they would rather have at left back ? downing ,coates , carra , or agger with carra or coates in the middle .
fpr me agger as left back and carra or coates in the middle !
mickey b
JFT96
Enrique or failing that, Robinson or is he injured right now? Enrique can still get forward and do his stuff, look at Riise before.
Keith
None of them,play a left back there not a winger or CB
What is wrong with Enrique ?
I am baffled why BR playing him in midfield, all left backs join in the attack, A Cole, Evra Micon , Riise .. all push forward and most of them get inside the box when they can .. this whole Downing, Enrique swap is just signs of someone running out of ideas and want to do something different just for the sake of it.
Roy
Jack Robinson or Flanno
cozinoz
29 Nov 2012 22:38:25
Enrique. But if he is goin to play Enrique further forward (where he has been quite effective) I'd play Robinson left back, or if he's injured Wisdom/Kelly at right back and Johnson left back works for me.
Johnson is our best LB. Kelly at RB with Wisdom as cover.
Kelly injured and out for rest of season isn't he?
Keith
What is wrong with coates are we looking for a dutch defender to replace him does he want a move.
29 Nov 2012 20:34:33
We are in the results game. Without a higher league position we will not attract the players needed to get CL football. Everyone needs time but BR's tactics, coaching ect...should now be yielding results. 3 wins ?
New managers at the start of this season league.
1. WBA - 8 wins
2. Spurs - 7 wins
3. Swansea - 5 wins
4. LFC -3 wins
4. Norwich - 3 wins
4. Villa - 3 wins
BR please prove to me that you are not out of your depth.
Yes, football is a results game, it is also going to be running for more than this year. On this basis, surely it is most important that we build towards a position where results are more regularly in the 3 points column. If you cant see that we are very close then I am not sure what games you have been watching. I wasnt convinced by some of the team selections and think that maybe the subs could have happened a bit earlier however I thought that we were the better team overall, noting that Spurs had some periods of excellence and opportunity. And I know it is said too often however but for not getting the rub of the green we could have walked away with at least 1 point.
Andy K
You have give him less than half a season to turn the club around?
Its going to take a lot longer to get back in the top 4 mate. I suggest you support someone else if you want to watch champions league football so badly you forget to actually support your own club.
MIKEY
We're not asking for top 4 in 6 months ,but we should be somewhere near the level of last season and we are miles away
Andy K, we were much closer last year. But please dont take my words for it, go and lookup the stats from last season about shots on target/off target , hitting the post/bar; missed chances .. there is nothing magical happening this year .. Sterling have been great success but thats it, what else ?
As for spurs yesterday .. they had the lead by 2 goal margin, they came out in the second half protecting it, they invited pressure and as the loosing team we had the more determination.did you really expect anything else .. Look back at Everton reaction when they went 2 down to us ..
As for Mikey and the pathetic go and support some one else balls, probably the difference between you and the OP is that he is not a looser.
Roy
Hey Roy, I dont disagree that we were close last year and I would have given Kenny longer however I dont think his methods aligned to the new culture or a long term future. Where I say we are close is that we are consistently outplaying our opposition, we are creating chances, we havent really had the rub of the green with decsions, we have a much younger team that is costing us a lot less. Sterling, Wisdom, Shelvey and Suso all getting game time and improving. That is why I say we are close and improving. I had a chat with a Spurs fan today and he was saying that he was happy with the result but felt that they were very unlucky. I agree with him. They defended well however we had our chances. At 1 nil down, we missed a guilt edged opportunity and then a 2 down, we had more than enough chances in my opinion. But you are of course, deserving of your own as well.
Andy K
29 Nov 2012 20:30:56
thank god we never got adam johnson . makes downing look like ronaldo
And Gilfi. And that Spurs diver.
29 Nov 2012 20:30:25
I wish people would stop disssing Steven Gerrard.
As a season ticket holder on the kop let me tell you
that he is the only midfield player we have who still may make me get on my feet. Even though he is not the total dynamic player of old he still has more class, skill, vision etc than the likes of Allan, Sahin,Henderson, Shelvey, Lucas etc will ever have as they strive/ dream to reach the level he is currently at.
We have been spoiled at Lfc with Steven in that he is possibly the finest player ever seen in our red shirt. Time catches up with everyone so dont everyone keep knocking the lad but get behind our captain and proud scouser who is still our best midfield player in this team. Also remember the good times he has provided for everyone associated with the club and thank god that you was present to see a legend Mr Steven Gerrarrd give his all for the club and its fans.
Thank you Steven -- It has been our pleasure.
Totally agree
Totally agree - well said!
NS
Whoever the 7 are who clicked disagree are definately not lfc fans, they are people our club can do without
Point is as youve admitted hes past his best but still better than others who are a lot younger-very worrying.How many midfielders do we buy and try to try and get one near to replacing Stevie?,as he was.Even two-because all aint consistantly good enough
The people that clicked disagree are prob delusional to think stevie is even close to the end of the road POoooor THeeeemm
livlim
You people are all blind! Steven Gerrard has been quite poor this season. Wake up and stop living in the past! He is no longer our best midfielder or best player!
BrisbaneLFC
'Class, skill, vision etc than the likes of Allan, Sahin,Henderson, Shelvey, Lucas etc will ever have.'
Be fair mate - Shelvey is 20 years old, and Allen only 21. You can hardly say they'll 'never live up to Gerrard' as we'll never know unless they're given a good chance and time to develop.
But I agree, Gerrard is a player that'll always be remembered and will go down as one of the greats, it's just hard to know a player who has given so much for the club will always have that one regret of never lifting a PL trophy, it's a shame he wasn't able to be afforded that. Especially when you see talentless wastes of space from other clubs holding it on that podium.
JFT 96
JP
Even if you think Steven is not our best player or has been in poor form he is still our captain and he leads us every week and does give 100% remember you will not walk alone!!
29 Nov 2012 20:30:21
Do not understand that all the coaches,experts and talent scouts at Liverpool failed to notice Inces quality and stop him leaving.Instead we spend 11 million on a player that does not look a premership player.Also are we so short sighted to see Walcot is playing us to get a better contract.
Clee Red
I think his leaving was more to do with his loud mouth father demanding all sorts for his son
Not sure agree with Walcot bit.Rest i do.WTF is it with our coaches/scouting system?
Bring back Heighway
29 Nov 2012 22:51:10
Why would Walcott 'play' us, as you put it, the club he's supported all his life and loves?! I personally think the lad is just fed up with Wenger, the fact that they've not won anything for nearly 8yrs and on top of that keep selling their best players every season, I think he wants a fresh start.
As for Ince, this kind of thing often happens in football, where a youngster is let go for reasons such as attitude, not showing his true potential, fitness and then goes somewhere else and shines. Look at Barcelona and players they've let go and bought back - Fabregas, Pique and others, it happens.
dannyMAC
29 Nov 2012 20:29:29
Ed's do you think FSG will fund Rodgers in Jan? If so, how many ins? {Ed002's Note - Give us break and please read the posts - I have answered this dozens of times.}
FSG might just be looking for a new manager.
29 Nov 2012 20:12:49
Hi Eds, some reports say there's been some contact between LFC and Lyon over Gomis. Have you heard anything? {Ed002's Note - Refer to an earlier answer please.}
29 Nov 2012 20:01:50
edd002 thanks for the feed back on my question about attack-mids/strikers , i know they dont see themselves as attack/mids come strikers but they do get played in them positions , thats one of the reasons why walcott wont sign a new contract , he wants to play as a main striker , plus there is a lot of mids who can play as strikers being looked at instead of an out and out striker
mickey b
JFT96
29 Nov 2012 19:50:01
People are saying Ince for £6mill. Wouldn't it be cheaper as if he were to be sold to another club we would receive some of that money?
But then we wouldn't have him.
29 Nov 2012 19:37:35
Is Wilfried Bony good enough ed? And if so any interest? {Ed002's Note - Try the search engine or read the posts please.}
29 Nov 2012 19:26:43
So when we are in the championship next season will we be hearing the faithful 'we're goin in the right direction' or 'more bad luck'. Fact is we are poor at times, other times brilliant. But we are not improving, we are not getting better and we are nowhere near where we should be.
Lucas-Injured
Borini-Injured
Kelly-Injured
Judge Brendan and his performances after he has a full strength squad, and "championship", or you serious?
AsianRed
"Fact is we are poor at times, other times brilliant" doesn't sound like a club destined for the drop
Who is We ,Changing your team next year are you.On a serious note why so negative .The only bad luck we have is people like you supporting our team
I missing the point when you say brilliant ....WHEN ?
It's an opinion and when I say brilliant I mean just suarez at times, when he's not mouthin off! We aren't Barcelona we are Liverpool football club! We weren't far off under kenny and he should have been given 6 more months. Can you honestly say your happy with the tactics at times? Brendan plays 4-3-3 doesn't he? Now it's looking like a 4-4-2, last week it was 5-3-2. And Europa game with 2 centre backs and the rest midfielders at one point. Downings a disgrace along with joe cole why does he keep picking them? Morgan started playing at the start of the season, what's happened to him. I'm just sayin I'm puzzled at times. And most times we are boring and horrible to watch
I agree in what you are saying mate. this is just not good enough for club like liverpool fc. the thing is with some people on here. they cant see that. i dont want to see br get pushed out but i just think at this time at lfc he is not the right man. time will tell.
Who is the right man then? someone who would come here that is
3 wins and now playing a 6 pointer against the saints says it all i am sorry to say , we do not expect to win every match but a lot more than we are doing , why have we gone to having world class players to less than average players it can not all be down to money .
29 Nov 2012 19:26:26
Again last night we had loads of corners but we made nothing of them, many kicks not getting past the first post.
This has gone on now for two seasons, this must be something that can be worked on in training?
I cannot understand how a player on tens of thousands of pounds a week cannot get a cross past the first post.
This is a really good point! Do we not practice them in training surely the amount of corners to goal / chances ratio is one of the poorest in the league!
NS
Gerrards worst culprit,get him edge of box for any drop downs.let someone else take
29 Nov 2012 22:55:59
I'm pretty sure we do practice them but other teams also practice defending them aswell! Have you forgot Skrtels header against Man City?!
Did'nt we score from a corner last night? Flicked on by Agger then Gerrard heading toward's goal Lennon trying to clear hitting Bale in the face then crossing the line! Did'nt that stem from a corner?
29 Nov 2012 19:03:30
Watched you lot on MOTD last night!!
The anagram of YNWA is what I was doing all the way through it!!
Tree Blue
It seems good enough for you to post about it...and there's me thinking you lot couldn't get anymore obsessed or stupid.
AsianRed
Did you just think of that one?
If you were that bored there are buttons on the remote, you press it and the tv changes channels, ask someone to show you how to do it
Well that's what happens when you stay up late on a school night to watch MOTD!
Next time, I'm calling your parents about your behavior!
United Kolours Of Bennetton
Oooh, get you with your fancy four-letter anagram! Mr Brainy
Here's an anagram GO your second highest scorer
29 Nov 2012 18:58:58
it could only happen at liverpool . a leftback playing left wing-enrique. a left winger playing left back -downing. no other club in the league would try that. my 6 year old lad has just said that to me i couldnt answer him. PRICELESS???
Bale was a left back and Kyle walker was a striker
Jamie Carragher was a striker...he now has 4 goals in 700+ appearances.
AsianRed
Maybe we should put Carra up with Suarez. More chance of scoring than Borini
29 Nov 2012 18:48:42
What is happening at Liverpool now has a lot in common with what happened when a Scot arrived at Anfield on the 14th of December 1959 than .
The fundamental problem we have is that we don't have enough of a mix of confident experience and youth. The experienced players are (Johnson and Luis exempt) either not good enough, lacking in confidence or have lost so much to their game and are struggling to adapt (SG I'm afraid). The youngsters and I'm including Allen, Shelvey, Borini in this, can't be expected to carry a team and contribute 10-15+ goals per season. Last night we played some fantastic football and Tottenham will think themselves lucky to get the 3 points. But we haven't got players in the team with the experience or composure to be chipping in 15+ goals per season, not yet. But I believe they will have. Sterling is learning quick, but it will be another season or so until he becomes a regular scorer. If the front 3 where all proven goal scorers guaranteed to chip in 15+ goals per season then we'd be really flying.
The young players are growing into the style of play , they'll improve and with a couple of good additions I really do believe that we will be a good team. But it's going to take time and most of all the youngsters need the support and encouragement from the fans to step up an improve. Players will turn into cowards when the crowd gets on their back, especially young players who may never recover.
Comparing managers is futile business. It's the weakest and youngest squad that I can remember in all my 31 years. But I'm excited about the future. The building blocks are being put in place to build the foundations for a fantastic squad of players playing exciting football. With youngsters being brought through and playing the Liverpool way we (some of us) have all been brought up on by our fathers and grandparents. This is the Shankly way!
In 3 years Raheem Sterling will be only be nearing his 21st birthday - my goodness how can you not be excited about that.
Its going to take time and probably more pain than last night, but I believe that we will get back to where we all want to be. And we have no god given right to be there. We have to all fight for it together!
YNWA
I would be excited about it but he will probably be playing for Spurs or Chelsea by then.
FSG need to learn that the only way to get your best players to stay is to bring in some quality to play alongside them. I'm not suggesting bankrupting the club but there is sponsorship and Premiership money coming in that could be spent on 1 or 2 quality players. There has to be some degree of speculating that will be repaid 10 times over if Champions League qualification comes along.
redmersey
Shankly came in the middle of a season to a average side a bit like if some one came in now to replace br , shanks had ideas and tv williams stuck up for him and we got magic players in the saint , rowdie , stevo etc and the new lfc was born , red mick tag ynwa
29 Nov 2012 18:43:52
I don't understand why people are having a go at Kenny!
At the time, I don't think there was anything wrong with the Carroll, Henderson and Downing transfers....they were just bought for TOO much money!
However, if I'm not mistaken....a manager just identifies the players he wants and others do the actually negotiating for the deal(s).....that isn't Kenny's fault!
As for people saying that Kenny left Brendam with a small transfer kitty....well what did people think was going to happen when Kenny got sacked and paid off and then Brendan was brought in.......why isnt the money this action cost being brought into consideration?
Surely FSG, would have known that the transfer kitty would be lower and didn't tell Brendan
Or.....
Brendan knew of the lack of money and decided that his priority transfers where Allen and Borini...who cost 25 mil between them! He could have just gone all out for a top striker!
As for the Dempsey situation.....I'm convinced that FSG didn't want him anyways....all the dilly dallying over the fee, the messup 'announcement' on the FSG website....then the pathetic half hearted attempt to get him at the final hour...all says to me that he was not really wanted!
Kenny took us to 2 finals and we nearly won them both! Yes we finished 8th, but do people seriously think that we will finish any higher this year?! I doubt it! Will we get any cup finals?....we're out of the League Cup, not yet qualified for the next stage of the Europa....and have the only the FA Cup to play for....
I back Brendan, but for people to blame Kenny for what's happening now is a joke!
United Kolours Of Bennetton aka K.Bennett
At the end of the day the manager has the final nod, and to spend £70M like that is just silly, and is something we will always be ridiculed for, thank god we've found a buyer for Carroll. Borini is injured, so that isn't Brendans fault and yeah why dont you judge Allen while he isn't playing in his natural position. Kenny set us back years...
Downing for £20M god...
AsianRed
He did buy a striker in borini.
He needed to buy a CM like Allen who would help his formation work.
If you spent all that money on one striker not only would there be more holes in our already threadbare squad but that striker could just have easily got injured just like borini.
Allen is being played out of position, we can't judge him yet.
Borini is injured so you can't judge him
either.
MIKEY
Asian Red
If you read my post properly, you will see that I said that they were bought for TOO much money! Where did you see me say that Downing is worth 20 mil?!
So, your suggesting that managers have the final say on how much should be spent on a player? That's news to me!
Mikey
I hear what your saying, however think of these 2 things
#1. If Joe Allen was so badly needed then what did that say about Brendan's view of the team he inherited? That they are not capable of playing 'his brand of football' without this particular player? That he must be bought at all costs (even if it is 15 million). That being with an already reduced transfer budget?
We ended up getting the vital player that Brendan requested and yes there have been injuries in which this particular player has been played out of position.....I accept that.....however....
Would it not be more in the interests of the brand of football that BR wants to play to have Allen playing in his natural position? He was bought to make everything tick so why isnt say Gerrard being played in the Lucas position? (For the record I would rather Gerrard up in the front 3, but that's a different discussion all together)
#2. Yes he bought Borini, but is he really the missing piece up front? Okay, let's say we buy a striker on Jan and he hits the ground running, when and how does Borini get back into the team? He will coming back from injury, will be unmatch fit etc. What then?
Kenny wanted downing and then come out and said downing was even better than he thought , plus steve bruce said he would have accepted 4 mill for henderson but we paid 4 times that much , the people who buy the players get the names from the manager , who then plays them and the players are just simply not good enough even if we paid 6 mill for downing m he would still not be good enough , and thats a seasoned full international i am talking about
Borini will have to fight for his place in the team again, that's a good thing. Competition for the striking positions for once.
I can't see gerrard playing in the Lucas position he can't be arsed to run anymore and you need to cover a lot of ground like Lucas to be effective there.
Brendan doesn't have a transfer budget as such so I can't see your argument that he blew most of the budget on allen, he thought he was going to get another striker in but got let down by the powers above.
Allen is a good young player and well worth the fee paid, he has had a dip in form but for a debut season, at a massive club and being played out of position the whole time he has done brilliantly.
The Allen haters will be made to eat their words come next season just like they did with Lucas.
Some of our fans are so short sighted it's pathetic.
MIKEY
Mikey, I am not an 'Allen hater' as you put it!
I actually like the player, but I can't understand why he isn't being played in the position he was bought for no matter what?!
He is supposed to be the player that makes the formation work in the main is he not?
From last season everyone and their dog could see that we needed a top striker! BR bought Borini who isn't yet a top striker and used the most money on Allen out of all the transfers he did!
And yes, BR didn't have a 'set budget' but did he have much to spend in the summer? NO!
Did people know of this? YES!
Did the eds, esp Ed002 say that there would be a limited budget? YES!
Did Brendan know he had a certain amount of funds? I think it most likely!
Before Brendan joined us we had a situation to address......lack of goals! Did he use 15 million(again, the highest amount spent in the summer) to address this? No, he spent it on the player he felt was vital to his style of football!
United Kolours Of Bennetton
MIKEY! Borini's comment's yesterday or the day before sound's like he did'nt and do'snt want to be here! More or less saying he was forced out of Roma by their new coach! And wanted to be given a chance there! He told this to the Italian media! It was on LFClive.net
For united kolours of bennettons behalf
joe allen was bouth to show and go in football terms but since he has come to liverpool we havent had a holding midfielder so ur arguement is out the gate because clearly allen is being sacrificed to do that job since lucas's injury. the lad has done well considering.
for MIKEY borini is a liverpool player it doesnt interest me what happened at roma but let me say it this way ive watched alot of youth football over the years and this guy is one i have admired when i saw him at chelsea. if he was chased out of roma with a sceptre its our gain their loss
but i am surprised we are questioning 2 young lads of our squad this NEVER was the liverpool way wise up guys smell the coffee and get with the plan. Brendan is at the helm give the guy a break and just support the team i promise u this, we will come good
livlim
29 Nov 2012 18:32:45
cant wait for lucas to come back just cant see were mr t (JOE ALLEN) is going to play cant see him in a advanced role surely lucas gerrard and shelvey would posess more goals
mayhem 1981
Lucas will be protecting the back 4. Allen and gerrard will then have more freedom further up the pitch. That's how it will work in theory.
MIKEY
Well that might cause us more major problems because Allen is now struggling to play a 5yard back pass to defenders so what will happen when that pass is 15 yards and SG legs are on the way out already so having to get back from there 18yard box to our is never going to happen I'm affraid
I'd like to see Suso or Shelvey paired with Allen and Lucas. Allen would get some freedom to go forward more, Suso and Shelvey get experience playing in their most comfortable positions, Lucas protects the front 4 and Stevie G. gets a bit of a breather. I'd really like to see that pairing for a few league games to see how it fairs.
~Fresh
29 Nov 2012 18:08:29
I read alot of posts here about comparing stats of previous managers....
This is my take.
KD last season had 34pts from first 19 games. This was coming off a good recovery on second part of the 2010/11 season after a poor start by Hodgson reign.
KD invested heavily in the summer to get his type of player in and stamp his mark on the team.
He played Downing and Henderson ahead of Kuyt and Maxi. He also did not play Carrol as often as you would think he would given the investment they made in him. Also he tried to offload him in Jan to get Tevez on loan. I think he knew privately they had made a mistake with bringing him on board. Though the would never slate a player publicy.
The second half of last season we had 18 pts off 19 games.... I think this is very relevant to what we are seeing now in the first half of this season.
We did have 2 good cup runs but in the league we averaged less than 1 pt per game after Christmas.
Also we only scored 47 goals last season in the league and finished on 52 pts.
Bear in mind on average you need to score 70 odd goals and 70 pts to ensure top 4 finish.
So the owners would have looked at that and decided a change was needed. However rather than throw another large amount of money and gamble of top 4 they wanted to take stock, put the club on a more even financial footing to go forwards.
Remember it is very unusual for club to go from 52 pts and scoring only 47 goals in 1 season to making the dramatic improvement needed for top 4. Even if half the efforts that hit the woodwork last season went in, we would not have scored 70 goals in the 38 games.
This summer Kuyt, Maxi and Belamy left. Experienced players with goals in their locker if played in the right positions and often enough. However they weren't the long term soution to our issues.
Carrol was also deemed not to be a long term solution.
This left us a smaller, but younger squad with smaller wage bill.
This campaign we had a very difficult start, only 2 pts from the first 5 games.
We now have 16pts from 14 pts but (14pts from last 9 games - or 1.6 pts per game).
This is slightly better than the 2nd half of last year with a much less experienced and younger squad.
Also club has lower wage bill and getting onto more stable financial footing.
If we can get to end Dec (another 6 games) and keep gaining 1.6 pts per game then we will have 25 to 26pts. Not where we want to be but an upward trajectory from 2nd half of last year. and again I will stress this... with a much less experienced and younger squad.
It was a mistake not to get a striker in the summer to replace Carrol at the very least. I think the ownership and mgt have acknowledged this.
If we can get a striker and maybe a winger in Jan we have a chance to improve on the amount of goals we are scoring and on 1.6 pts per game on the second half of this season. This is still very unlikely to get us to 70 pts this season but hopefully an improvement overall from last season and something to build on in 2013/14.
I think some people really underestimate the rebuilding that is required... to get to the point we can consistently challenge initially for top 4 vand eventually for the league and also have a good run in the champions league.
There have been teams such as Spurs, Everton and Newcastle who have a good season and get into Europe but staying there is a whole different ball game.
It will take very astute buying, developing our academy players and planning for us to get back into that situation.
I will give FSG the benefit of the doubt that they have the best intention to do this as it is the only way they will make any money on their investment. They have made a lot of mistakes so far but I think they will learn.
The Red Indian.
Simple amazing, what a post mate best read on here in a long while. All i read is negative Bulls**t, FSG out, Kenny this, BR out bla bla bla. So refreshing to read a true fan and not some troll wanting to slate our team.
Ive some fans took the time and stepped back and had a look they would see we are going forward, maybe slow I know but were getting there. Go and check out our youth set up and watch what talent we have coming through. One world theres maybe 4 worldies in there, Ebe,sinclair,texiare and Sama. 4 playeres I feel will save the club a small fortune. Our youth setup is the dugsnuts to be honest. i watch all the games and I see the bigger pic. Rodolfee is a genuies he deserves a medal for what he has achieved with the boys.
so enjoy the ride my fellow reds cause when we do win the league and get back into the CL its going be so, so sweet. YNWA
Scottybhoy 1888
Good post mate.
MIKEY
Respect for the post Red Indian
Red1
A very good post ,
mickey b
Truly an excellent post mate - refreshing to see a fan that seemingly 'gets it', this year was never going to be a push for the CL or title (seriously people?!) it was about trimming the squad of the higher wage 'bench warmers', looking at our style of play, which has been quite boring in recent years, refreshing the squad, in terms of younger players getting a chance (lets face it, our best players have always been those that have came through the ranks - Gerrard, Carra, Fowler etc) - those that will give their absolute all for the club!), essentially REBUILDING - it was always going to take longer than a season!
I am more than willing to give BR the time he needs as I can see the strides we are making. The signs are encouraging and I cant help but feel that had certain decisions went our way the league position would be greatly improved and some of the doubters would be singing BRs name!
Bill (an Irish Red)
29 Nov 2012 18:03:24
Whatever league or whatever level you play at? Players have opinions just like you and me. There's nothing worse than looking round the changing room and wondering why this or that player is playing instead of him or him. I know you will never get total agreement at anytime. Players prefer to play in that position not this position and so on.
But our team selection the last few games has been glaringly bad. If it's a directive from above (the owners) to showcase players with a view to sell? It's not working and needs to stop. Downing,Cole have no future at the Club so what's the point. Henderson splits opinion and I like the lad he always gives 100% but in all honesty if we sold him he wouldn't be missed. We need to generate as much money as possible from sales.
kidmillions
Cole has had enough chances for me now.
I would personally keep Henderson a bit longer, he's half decent cover at least.
Do you think these players are just getting games to go in the shop window? I really hope not. I would have thought giving them games against easier teams would be a better idea. Away to spurs is not a good time to play them.
I know what you mean about players looking round the dressing room and wondering how certain players get in the team ahead of them. Shelvey and sahin must be looking at gerrard and be thinking they are being cheated a bit.
MIKEY
I agree he was shop windowing them, he cant seriously think theyre good enough?
And spot on mikey, you dont do it against spurs away. Ive backed BR from the start and love the guy, but last night, for the first time, he had me puzzled. Hope he learns from it, he seems too
Benny baller
I remain to be convinced by Henderson but I think he'd benefit from a long run in the team. He's unlikely to get it, though.
Rigsby.
Meanwhile Rodgers is putting these players in the shop window (Downing at left back may i add) or a directive from above (god?), how much could Liverpool be loosing per league position lost while Rodgers puts these players on display? What is it ed002? Still £800,000 per place?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - That was the figure but it may have gone up this year.}
29 Nov 2012 17:32:28
Hi ed, what is your gut feeling on the theo walcott situation, you think he will end up at liverpool or do you think he will sign a new contract. Also what you think on the tom ince rumours, are they true is there real intrest in him which could lead too a bid come january? And also anything on daniel sturridge? Real intrest or not?
Thanks
Tom {Ed002's Note - Try the search function Tom - these have both been dealt with many times.}
29 Nov 2012 17:23:24
My midfield three in the coming weeks would be Lucas,Allen and Shelvey. There is no doubt Gerrard needs dropping.
Mighty reds
For me sahin and lucas with allen in front of them..
Me 2 mate. If any other player had a run of form like that they would be dropped.
MIKEY
Shelvy Allen and Lucas for me.MATTYLFC
Gerrard needs to retire from international football if he wants to prolong his anfield career with any credibility. It's painful watching him at the minute
I'd go Lucas, Sahin, Suso but that's just me. I think Suso and Suarez could link up well and Sahin could be a great player again if he gets some game time.
An ideal midfield needs a defensive player who'll get stuck into challenges, a player capable of hitting short and long accurate passes and finding clever through balls and that flair player who can dribble round players and has quick feet. Now for me, Lucas should be the defensive one, Sahin should be the playmaker/passer (on his day, Allen has nothing on him, and too be honest Allen hasn't really done anything spectacular) and Suso should be the flair player. Gerrard, i'm sorry but he has done near enough nothing this season and if it was anyone else, would have been dropped
29 Nov 2012 16:56:53
In my opinion, the possible transfers wil be wilfried bony for 8m and walcott for 9m. While bent and sturridge wil come in on loan wit an option to buy. And also joe cole and downing wil be allowed to leave to compensate the transfers. Henderson wil be given chance to improve. With these players in and Lucas returnin from injury wil allow Gerrard to play upfront(more attacking) that wil create more depth to the team so v can change all draws to wins. These transfers r possible. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot take two players on loan in January.}
Wilfried Bony would be a massive gamble and if went wrong at this moment in time?
Well! All hell would break loose.
kidmillions
So you want 6 strikers fighting for one position suarez,borini, bony,walcott (wants strikers role),bent and sturidge, that would be about £300,000 a week on wages.
KUMBER
29 Nov 2012 16:06:08
We spent £26m in the summer on Allen and borini rather than buying a super striker. This time I hope Brendan does spend big, we have numbers just not quality.
Personally I would go for el sharawy. Young can play st and lw and is scoring goals in a crap side. Milan would not turn down £26m.
El sharaawy is one of the hottest prospects in Europe don't think we've got a chance. Remember the name though because he's going to be a star.
AsianRed
29 Nov 2012 16:02:12
reading down through the posts one issue continuosly pops up,the money spent by KD on Carroll,Downing and Henderson.People should realise that some times,through nobodys fault,signings just dont work out.We are not the only club to have spent big money on a player for it not to work out the way we imagined,united has an endless list of big money signings that didnt cut it,Barca splashed 45mil. PLUS Eto on Ibrahimavic,Real spent mad money on Kaka,anyone remember Alves for Middlesborough,schevchenko for chelsea,Reyes for arsenal,Bentley and Pinearr for spurs,the list goes on and on lads,like I said sometimes through nobodys fault it just doesnt work out!
NAVANRED
Yeah but downings been rubbish most of his career, and henderson couldn't even get into sunderlands team when we bought him. andy carroll was never going to fit in at liverpool because regardless of manager, we're never going to play the ale house football required to make him look good.
Yea m8 all clubs buy the wrong player from time to time but kenny got 3 out of 5 all being the most expensive to make it worse hendo and dow were massive reasons why we got nothen out of last nights game and countless others
But I could (and did at the time) have told you they were all a waste of money. It was so obvious! You point to the odd mistake clubs have made over the last 10 years, but we made 3 HUGE mistakes in 1 year! It's not like they were coming from another league and it was a risk as to whether or not they can settle in this country.
Ultimately, people put far too much emphasis on whether or not players can adapt so decide to "play it safe" with players who are English/British when so many foreign players make it over here.
The age of having to be big and strong to make it over here is well gone. It's about time we realised that.
Ash
It just so happens a tranche of players purchased at around the same time haven't worked out.
Some teams spend £50m on a player and it doesn't work out...
There is no excuse for £20m on downing. He is and always has been average at best. I almost threw up when I heard we got him for that price. It makes the £35m for big andy look like a good business.
Then you have whatever the ridiculous fee it was for Henderson, a CM, who got stuck out on the right wing all season.
The difference is, bar Suarez, ALL the signings were huge flops, not just 1 or 2. Kenny/Comolli/whoever rebuilt the team with dross.
davethebutcher
Yeah some teams spend 50m on one player an it doesn't work out, oh hang on who won the champions league last season?
So before Liverpool buy a player they should run it past you Ash and your crystal ball to see if they are good enough? If only picking players was that easy.
The Irish Rover
The age of being big and strong is far from gone,the league is as strong and physical as ever,unless your like Raheem and have a low centre of gravity,oodles of skill and gritty determination
NAVANRED
Collymore sank Roy Evans managerial career with us singlehandedly for the princely sum of £8.5 million...
MikeInUSA
MikeinUSA was not just collymore that did for Evans (who I have met & have to say is a gent) there was a clique & they let him down,Paul ince being the protagonist...
Paisley's genius
I think Chelsea won the CL last year in spite of Torres not because of him.
MIKEY
You all blame Kenny so why did fsg pay comolli a wage? Wasnt it his job to go out and find the players?
Can't pin it all on KK who is still a legend for our club and deserves the respect of the fans, some obviously aren't old enough to remember! {Ed002's Note - The players were the choice of Dalglish, or at the very least players Dalglish wanted. Players Comolli wanted, most notably Moussa Sissoko, were rejected by Dalglish. However, much of the negotiation over fees was done by Comolli - and certainly none by Dalglish.}
Irish, I think that's a great idea. We would have saved a fortune.
Ash
To the crystal ball boys how have you never made big mistakes, you should all enter the fantasy football league big money for ye, what with your fore-site you would only need half the budget
KUMBER
Kumber, you don't need a crystal ball to know that Downing, Henderson and Carroll are not worth £81m.
All you need is a four pack of lagers and a sky subscription.
Ash
29 Nov 2012 16:00:59
Well I was going to post at the half way point of the season and give my opinion then. However, having read some of todays posts the world is coming to an end, we have the worst owners ever, the manager is not good enough and as for Stevie, give him away.....
Take a reality check people.......Chelski and citeh are constantly slated for throwing money at players, by LFC fans, yet fans want us to do the same (when we simply are not in that position) surely we want the club run the right way and to become self sufficeint, and for me, and as frustrating as it is, that looks like what the are doing, so we have to deal with it and see how it pans out.
The manager, I am and always will be a KK fan but even I knew his time was up. His buys and other players let HIM down and us. BR has us playing some good stuff, has put his trust in youth (maybe earlier than he wanted) and appears to have brought the best out of LS. He's bought in some players, Allen (who will be a top player) Borini (good movement hopefully will develop) Assidi, time will tell, Sahin, see previous entry...with very little at his disposal what did you really expect a Falco, Van Persie?. Yes letting Carroll go without a replacement was a mistake, just not sure that was BR's mistake?, still lets see what happens in January
Stevie - I cannot believe the amount of criticism he actually receives, honestly? yes he may not be the marauding midfielder of old, yes he is 32, but have you not thought he's had to change his game this season to suit his and LFC's needs? please give the man the credit he deserves!
Finally, after 14 games in and with some very dubious decisions going against us we are 10 points of 3rd/4th and 7 points of 5th. Given a couple of those decisions the other way round and we would be looking at a totally different picture... and given the run of games upto Christmas whose to say that gap won't be closed?
Lets give BR full support and see what he delivers and if he's given the correct backing before we turn into Chelski of the north and demand the sacking of every manager we don't like! - TMac
Couldnt agree more. Yes its been frustrating and sometimes painful to watch. But the end of the day I support Liverpool and always will so we all should get behind the club, manager and players and give them the support that Liverpool fans are supposed to be known for.
CMD
29 Nov 2012 15:35:09
Why do some dumb fans keep dragging fsg into our problems..whose fault is it that kenny wasted money on players who haven't improved the squad..rodgers also wasted the bulk of 30millon on allen and borini..young players with potential,when he should have gone for players with proven quality who would have made an immediate impact on our squad we were already a team with potential before he came why add more?? see the way swansea improved their squad with the money they got from allen and rodgers...rodgers should be held responsible not fsg.if he had spent the 25mil on a proven goalscorer it would have been better..fsg have continued to provide money for transfers,and our managers have continued to waste it.. fsg should go ahead with setting up the board to be in charge of transfers..if he doesn't like it he can resign.we would get someone who does..this wasting of money must stop..the last time we got. Value for money immediately was jan 2011 when we bought suarez..WTF??.rodgers can talk all he wants about january but we would be better as a team,if he had spent the money properly..spurs spent 26m on dembele and lloris.we spent ours on borini and allen...see the difference experienced players not players with potential..let's hope january won't be the same. KUNLE
Well, you can blame FSG to the extent of their transfer policy. To buy "young with resale value" usually means to buy inexperienced with potential for quality, without it being proven quality. One of the reasons why most of the purchases of the last 2 years have not shown the quick development and results on the field (with the exception of Suarez but he was proven quality), that impatient fans are expecting.... ra1969
29 Nov 2012 15:23:40
Ed, with the host of referring blunders all across the league do you think the "referee relegation" system which was proposed by pulis is a good idea ?
Also, we hear platini thinking so much about abolishing the europa league in favour of a 64 team champions league ..why does'nt he dedicates a bit more of his philosophical talent towards implementing technology in the game ? other top sports like cricket,tennis,basketball etc they use technology so why not football ? {Ed002's Note - I care not about relegating referees. Platini is keen on stopping any split by those clubs that have been discussing it. Expanding the CL is not the answer.}
29 Nov 2012 15:00:03
I am not a fan of when managers blame luck or refs decisions, however, this season we have been robbed on several occasions.
For all those wanting BR out, there are very few managers in the world who would be able to do a better job than him right now with the squad that he has.
BR has put confidence in youngsters, with the physicality of some of the games is very brave and should be commended. These youngsters are very promising, but they are going to make mistakes, through more and more game time there will be less and less mistakes.
We are not far away from competing at the top once again.
One or two decent signings in January could make a big difference.
ToonRed
Deluded fans like this just make us look stupid. We are a very long way from competing at the top again.
How many games have we dominated, only for lacking of options/ experience in the final third have let us down?
One or two good signings in January, could make a huge difference!
ToonRed
Surely you must watch the games? It's not the youngsters making mistakes? It's Downing then Henderson has a go? Then when it's not Downing or Henderson? Pepe Reina joins in!!
kidmillions
12th in the league says it all, you cant be unlucky in all the games.. not the force we were and rodgers isnt going to do a shankly and build some fantastic dynasty. lightning doesnt strike.
Couldn't agree more.
I've tried to block out of my mind the recent starting line-up decisions with Downing and Henderson.
My point was, I have recently seen and heard people at the games blaming youngsters, such as Sterlings mis-weighted pass back to Suarez against Swansea.
kidmillions, would you agree that one or two decent attacking signings in January could have a big impact?
ToonRed
29 Nov 2012 14:57:39
Just to lighten up everyones afternoon - did you hear what the Geordies were singing about Tony Pulis at last nights game:
'Your're just a tramp in a tracksuit'! Good humour.
You can always rely on a Geordie to make you laugh - Andy Carroll!
Have to say i liked that one.
derryred
Very good shout though!
I'm sure Pullis enjoyed having the last laugh.
29 Nov 2012 14:52:43
i would like to ask the eds this question , can you tell me why we are going in for attack mids/strikers , imstead of an out and out striker , because it just seems strange to me that we are being linked with all these attack mids come strikers , instead of either or , if you see what i mean , huntelaar for ewxample is a striker , where as walcott and sturridge plus many more players we have been linked with ,??
mickey b
JFT96 {Ed002's Note - I don't think either player you have mentioned see themselves as an AM.}
29 Nov 2012 14:43:30
eds can u tell me ,if rodgers wants aplayer ,& hes within the budget,for argument sake say,the budget is 20mill,& the players club value him at 15mill to 20mill,would our head of transfer negotiations(ian ayer) go for it,or would he take it upon himself that the player isnt worth that & **** it up like he did in august because ithink thats what rodgers is up against ,take this interest in ince ,the club got rid of him for something like 60k now its rumoured we want him back & itll cost 6mill do u think the GREAT IAN AYER would go for that ,,not achance,he shouldnt be put in charge of the club shop never mind the transfers,,,,,its gona be along hard JAN WINDOW,with that tool in charge of transfers IRSH RED {Ed001's Note - if the budget allows and it is priority position, I am sure the manager will be backed.}
29 Nov 2012 14:37:20
Hi all
I read over a 100 comments on here after the game last night, I am very disappointed with some of the fans who are calling for BR's head after just 5 months in charge.
3 thing are going to happen if we start to turn on the manager, the owners & the players.
1)
The manager had little to no money to buy new players he's working with what he has at his disposal which isn't much to be fair, we have one of the worst squad in the top 10 team in the league.
There are positives we can take from this season so far we are playing so great football but we have been really unlucky in regards to some refereeing decisions which have gone against us to name a few WBA, Man UTD, Everton, Swansea & Spurs tonight that's 15 points that could have made a big difference.
2)
Can anyone really blame the owners for how they're running the club? They got their hands burned by Kenny once, they're not gonna make same mistakes again which is a good thing I guess.
There is 2 ways to run a club!
a) we can do a leeds spent money we don't have, screw it if we're successful then we might get away with it!
b) we can make sure the club is selfs efficient, which means we spent what money we have and stay dept free.
You can still be successful this way just look at the German league its the healthiest league financially in the world.
3)
We have 2 of the best young players in the EPL in Sterling & Suso. They're both very green when making quick football decision on the pitch so if we turn on the senior players we could kill there confidence, they would be too scared to make a pass just incase it goes wrong.
Ask yourself a quick question why is Fergie having a go at us??
It's simple he's playing mind games because he's jealous of our academy we have some great talent coming through which I'm sure over the coming years will make a big impact in the first team.
We need to stick together!!
JFT96 - YNWA
Mr_B
Ask yourself a quick question why is Fergie having a go at us?
=======================
When / where did Fergie have a go at us? have I missed something ?
Roy {Ed002's Note - I assume it was in reference to Michael Owen.}
^ And he was making noise's about letting Andy Carroll go without having a replacement! He has to much to say about LFC! He has to much to say period!
29 Nov 2012 14:27:01
Is it just a coincidence that when Lucas got injured last season our form went down hill for rest of the season..... Glad he's back training n nearing 1st team place again, my question is to you all ..... Is Lucas the key to holding our team together? Be interesting to hear your thoughts!
For me lucas is good at what he does , but he does not score goals , and once they are past him he does not stop them , but as i say he is good at what he does and i welcome his return , what you have to look at is stevie g , his performances have not been as good as when he he plays for england , but i think he is jaded because of this , he needs a rest just like surez does and even the kids need a rest , what we dont need is our tiny squad carrying players be it downing , hendo as they should never play in the team together , and stevie , because carrying 3 players holds us back , in the last 2 games since downing has played we have been beat , the game before that against wigan we won , is it a coincidence , i think not
29 Nov 2012 14:16:27
Hi ed,posting after long time,saw the game against spur.bit disappointed but we played well,one thing i dont understand why is bredan playing allen n gerrad together,i mean they both r running for the same ball, both r playing too deep.so where does the killer ball come from,hendo is good bt nt gud enough,jonjo is playing good,he shuld starting in playing 11.
29 Nov 2012 14:06:52
Since KK left i have tried not to assess or criticise the team or BR.As supporters we are more polarised hen ever .We now go across the spectrum from give BR time to Sack him , the board new owners etc
So here goes 1978 as a 6 year old in a playground i had a bet that LFC would win a match for £1 and i won and since then i decided to support LFC.I managed to get to watch over 300 home games and over 500 away games. I will say the away games have been where i learned more about us as supporters.
When i first supported LFC , i would not call it supporting as it was easy , no real hiccups no real issues and just an amazing team. we defeated an saw off the best teams in world and domestic football.Two major disasters Heysel and Hillsborough cost us .Heysel cost us Europe/image and so we lost the ability to play the best in Europe so our level dropped. Hillsborough cost us more our brothers , sisters , fathers and son, a fabricated image and in the aftermath Kk.
KK leaving cost us the continuity and style of a champion team.Come what may 23 years later and countless managers , players and formations we are no closer to being the team we once was.
Souness -too much pride and let too many good players go and replaced them with lesser players.
Roy Evans-Bit more strength and discipline could have been one of the best English manager of the last 20 years , football was exciting and youngsters were bloodied and backed.
Houllier - Brought discipline and organisation but killed LFC style of play for a more defensive approach.A gentleman never the less .Two factors cost him not winning the league the heart attack and the decision to go for Diouf instead of Anelka.
Rafa- Instant hero in Istanbul final but some of the worst football played at anfield by any manager .I at first was so happy when he was appointed as his Valancia team destroyed us .He will always remain a LFC favourite for his support of Hilsborough families and our club.
Roy Hodgson- By the time he was appointed LFC we was no longer one of Europes Elite so why did we expect to win all the time.He may not have been good enough but we treated him so bad in fact so un liverpool like just embarrassing. Any chance some of you looking at the way Rafa being treated as fair by CFC fans.
KK- a hero returns but he was not the same age he did not have the time to blood youngsters so tried to buy interim success, shame as some of the buys have been rubbish.Love the man , respect the man and will always be a King for me.
BR-I will only fully evaluate at the end of the season .At the moment i see some good some bad .People are very critical of his passing style , finally you have 2 teams Swansea/LFC who are comfortable with the ball and we hear get the ball in the box quicker (sounds like some of the old tactics).Also like that players especially youngsters play for him and seem to respect him.On the other hand he sometimes makes stupid decisions Caroll going with being replaced is wrong on too many levels(Before you want to blame Tom Werner we all identified a forward as the missing piece why oh why wait to the end of the transfer window )
Sorry for the long post but here is my point , i actually really like what i see now, better football , less money wasted and youngsters coming through .At the start i would not say i was a supporter but a follower as nobody needs help when everything is going well.since i have had to support my team i do and i always will.God it hurts to see your team go from Elite to second tier team but i support them and the players that try and care.I do respect those who get angry and upset but constructive criticism not personal insults .No matter what on the pitch we need to support them and allow that same support we give Saurez/fowler/orress and Gerard be extended to BR/henderson/downing and any player that puts on the shirt.
I truly believe we will improve and maybe i can return to being a follower, if not i will not give up on my team and LfC fans as you are my family some of you dysfunctional but still family. We have history and in that i mean us not the club we were the best supporters of our team through the good and bad lets go for it again .YNWA
Moroccan REd
Whatever, stop all the nonsene, either support the club or go away
A very good assesment apart from downing , he is a waste of money time and effort , he cant handle the pressure like a certain 17 yr old does , who by the way is before him in selection compare the transfer value to sterling and downing as they both play in the same position , one has more experience at this level he also has played for england a few times and gets paid double than the other one , but the other one sterling plays better , does more defending thane does downing gets stuck in , anyone sen downing get stuck in and actually tackle , no i have not either , but the better player all wound is sterling ,
mickey b
Wish people would get of rafas back i still think it was the best time remember the beating of juve barca milan and chelski those nights wont happen under br
29 Nov 2012 14:06:17
On another note - I was quite happy to see Carra molding into a coach / technical advisor behind Rodgers
Singred
29 Nov 2012 14:05:01
I think Johnson shoul always play at left back with Enrique in front of him on that flank. That way they can alternate the attacking threat. Johnson is more of a goal threat when he cuts in a pushes to the left corner of the 18 yard box. Football & performance in general is a mental thing & Enrique & Johnson have the mentality & confidence to attack & its proven to work when its been tested. There are millions of skillful players who aren't composed in front of goal. I would play those to based on their composure in front of goal because a goal scorer needs nerves of steel so maybe ed 002 could get us a few goals. slodge
29 Nov 2012 13:57:21
Two words... Nottingham and Forest
Liverpool is a great club, a well-supported club, and now, a well-run club.
By any objective measure, however, it is no longer a massive club.
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There is an element of truth in this , but I can assure you from someone who travels a fair bit, Liverpool is still a big brand with global support. As a father of 3 football mad boys in most of my trips I have to visit a sport shop or 2 , and in most of these shops the only European kits I find are RM,Barcelona,Bayern, Man U,Arsenal and Liverpool, most recently (past year or 2), I noticed Chelsea kits in the far east and Man City in the gulf area (Dubai,Doha etc). Is this important , Yes , its this global support that makes it possible for the club to make record breaking £150m sponsorship deals. So are we still a big club? based on sponsorship money its an emphatic 'YES'.
However, if we keep drifting away from the champions league places, and start missing out on Europe altogether, you will have to wonder if the club can maintain this global image and support. And as the brand name shrinks, sponsorship money shrinks with it, followed by financial adjustments, players will need to be sold (and maybe want to leave for Cl clubs) and before we know it, our future is solely reliant on kids development and fighting for premiership survival .. (Just look at whats happening at Villa in the last few years).
Roy
I agree with my fellow poster All I could find shirts for my kids were the above stated ones. After 2005-06 Chelsea shirts as well as newborn Chelsea fans were seen everywhere other that England. The same thing goes for man city after 2010. But we need to be close to the Champions league place or we will be struggling and fighting for survival. There have been may teams who were in Champions league for few years and right now no one even know what place they are in championship like Leeds or forest.
Red 316
I wouldn't mind Simon cox and billy sharp
FowlerisGod
Nottingham Forest Won the league in 78 the European cup in 79 and 80 then won nothing! you really can't say they had global support like LFC do'es! It really is in FSG's interest for LFC to be continually successful once more! Apart from losing a lot of money they'll lose face as a buisness organisation if they fail to do that!
29 Nov 2012 13:50:25
After watching all the formations and variations Rodgers has tried recently I'm beginning to wonder if a 3-5-2 might be our best set-up with Enrique and Johnson playing either side in the midfield. Just a thought. RED LENIN
I agree, drop Coates into the sweeper role behind Skirtle and Agger. Downing should never be anywhere near a Liverpool first 11.
Ozone
Maybe a mid 3 of Lucas (holding), Allen (playmaker/more advanced), and Suso (attacking mid)?
Sterling LF, Luis CF and Stevie G RF?
Maybe?!
Piledriver {Ed002's Note - If you want to list teams they have to be a new post to the Teams page or a response to a post on the teams page - others will be deleted.}
29 Nov 2012 13:49:39
Match Analyse
Just seen highlights..
Have to say dominated chances.. There's not much more we need, I can't remember when we've been outplayed.. We all know we need a striker so support the team.
Pistol Pete
First half we were rubbish. They started the game as we use to do in the past in full speed they could have been 3-0 up in 15 min. we did a better job in second half but the damage was done. For a team who is not winning and only one person firing all the goals its very difficult mentally to score 3 goals in the second and win. we had 10 corners and none even troubled them so they count for nothing. jonjo came in took the first corner and the game came.Please someone don't let Gerrard take any corners let him be in the box for the headers.
Red 316
29 Nov 2012 13:45:14
i cant see why some fans keep saying kenny wasted money. they were the players he wanted but did not get the time to work with them. br is a diffrent type of manger. plus br has not really given any chance to alot of the players kenny got in. what a lot of you dont see is br has a one way type of football and knows nothing else or shell i say wont try anything else. that is why he wont take the club forward.
Every player has been given a chance, Downing has had plenty of chances, he has never once played well for us n that's down to the player himself, he's not good enough, Henderson has improved and is willing to learn, Carroll is terrible, even playing at West Ham on loan, playing "his" style he has only scored 1 goal this season... Out with the mediocre players and rightly so. There will be a huge difference in the starting 11 when Lucas returns, we'll be a bit more solid and allows Joe Allen and Gerrard get forward more.
Kenny did waste money, it was his decision to bring these players in, £35m for Carroll was a disgrace, he blew the £50m we got for Torres instead of keeping the money til the summer and bring better quality players in.
I hated his interviews after the game too, trying to be funny all the time, he made an arse of himself and didn't do himself any favours over the Evra situation either.
Rodgers is the future. Results might not be what they should be but we'll get there in the end.
Rocky
Are you actually trying to justify £75 million being spent on henderson, downing and carroll....
Given that kind of money we should have been challenging for top 4.
Does that mean u should pay 20 mill for downing??
what a load of crap....
purchasing downing was not dreadful but paying 20 mill for him was awful...
He may only have one style of play but at least that isn't from the dark ages.
Kennys style was not from the dark ages
Show some respect
Jack The Groove
You may well find if they try downing on left mid and not left back you might find your get more from him. rodgers is not the future. why would i try and justify what kenny spent on players. to be honest i dont care its not my money.
Can anyone remind me who was named man of the match in the Carling Cup final last year?
Kenny set us back with the signing's he made bar Luis! There's no way you can tart it up! LFC are going to incur big loss'es with offloading Downing,Carroll and Henderson! All north east player's! Thought we were lucky nearly breaking even with Adam! Enrique started good had a poor 2nd half of the season, started this season poor and off the pace due to injuries but has started to show a bit of promise in the last few game's! Still not nailed on to be here next season! That's Kenny's buy's! one good apple out of six! Really not good enough for a man of his stature!
29 Nov 2012 13:39:48
Holy sh*t we need to win the next few games to lift the mood, and we need Lucas back ASAP.
AsianRed
29 Nov 2012 13:35:10
Brendan rodgers let Kuyt,Bellamy,Maxi,Carroll go and we got Borini to replace them he should be sacked for that alone. FSG did not help and most fans think they are just a litttle better then the previous two they looked so bad on transfer deadline day they had to release a statement. FSG have put money in the club but made huge mistakes costing the club millions. Number 1 can someone tell me why Ian Ayre is at the club? Number 2 Why was kenny given the green light to buy carroll for so much money. The money we spent on him was the whole transfer budget Rodgers has had for the whole summer. Surely there was someone at Liverpool who could have told Kenny NO.Carroll, Downing, Henderson are not worth that. Nobody had the b's to stand up to him and tell him the players he was signing were in fact rubbish. Number 3 Jen Chang i mean come on guys really the guy could start a fight in a empty room. I know he left but he should never have been there. number 4 i love liverpool and anfield but if we want to move forward we have to sell naming rights. If it helps us to stay active in the transfer market then im all for it. Fan's can always still call the stadium anfield. I hear the owners are not for this idea which i think could help bring in extra much needed revenue.
Sorry for the rant
Pork chop
Wrong...FSG spend almost 120 mill....and it was wasted by the manager..not FSG..
a club only can dream to spend that much money in two season...average 60 mill per season...
how much more you neeed to win the games?
another 100 mill to purchase, sinclair, ince and other jokers..
go and shout against kk who wasted the money...
I think we need to be fair and not ''quick'' to judge anyone so early on. We almost had Martinez and we ended up with Rodgers, that's the choices FSG were looking at. I think Kuyt should have gone to Turkey on deadline day once we were sorted for troops. Otherwise he'd be able to foil with Suarez, as he did do well for Kenny the season before, when Rodgers was in the Championship with Swansea, still unknown to many a fan.
What we need now is patience, Liverpool fans should know as good as any, that we can't do anything about the past, but we can affect the future. The fans sacked Roy, the owners sacked Kenny. Rodgers is what we have and he's got good ideas, he's implementing a good philosophy which is slowly coming through, we need recruits and some pressure on the squad will be eleviated and with Lucas and for all you mock him Borini, who has the ability to be successful.
Maxi i feel had to go, as he was toxic in terms of wagers, also he couldn't play 90 minutes of high intensity football, this is why i believe he was let go. Carroll scored 4 or 5 goals and Dempsey bagged 20 or so, it's understandable why Rodgers felt Dempsey would have been better suited but hugely unfortunate for our season that a deal couldn't be ironed out. Bellamy, i think wanted to be with his family who had moved back to Cardiff. But again, this is the past, gone, happened.
The knee jerk reaction from fans after we lose are first game in 8 games, away from home against a very good Tottenham side is no huge shock. Spurs are one of the clubs that have filled part of the void left by are fall. They currently have a very good group of players. No shame in losing as we begin to rebuild. If we chuck the manager under the bus, it will only call for a ''new start'' with a new manager.
"Pork Chop" is that what your brain was replaced with ?
derryred
29 Nov 2012 13:30:17
Teams know how to play against us, they jus need to stay in their half and let us pass side to side and waste time then take the ball of us and hit us on the counter. exploit the new left back downing then get a lead, get back in their half and let us waste our own time then we fink we wer unlucky because we had possession but never reli did out with it.
Is this the new system that we will employ at LFC?
Then how does Barcelona win so much silverware with a similar playing style?
29 Nov 2012 14:31:47
Because they are barca u nit. they have messi xavi iniesta and the rest, we have henderson an old man gerrard and a 17 year old. suarez is our only bright spark but he will soon be gone because there is no mroe quality in there
Lol, second poster. Youre sh#t stirring. Barca play tika taka in the opposition half. We play taka tika in our own half! Badly!
The Irish Rover {Ed001's Note - that is not true. Barca play it in their own half, they just have forwards and midfielders providing good movement and push the opposition back. Our players get the ball and have very little option but to go sideways or back, Barca have 4 or 5 options to pass to.}
Yeah the players just aren't making the angles for eachother, and are nearly always coming short for the ball rather than one of the front 3 looking to run through a gap.
derryred
Guys settle down, our Next Gens spanked Borussia last night. Once or kids get some maturity Liverpool will be back on top. Rodger dilemma is that he has some of the best kids of their generation 2 or 3 years away from being ready to set the world alight. Barca fielded an all academy team for the first time last week that will be us in a few years.
Andrew
Yes Andrew but if were still as s ite they ll take off elsewhere to further their careers.Cant believe all youse spouting bout kids.Dont you see that agents will have them away
29 Nov 2012 13:18:16
Barcelona's fabled La Masia academy scored another triumph on Sunday when the Liga giants fielded an entirely homegrown team during their 4-0 Liga victory against Levante.
Looking forward to the day when we do the same, I'm very hopeful, with the young guns we have, that this will happen!
samp
I think Barca doing that was political, with the independence of that region being very much a passionately supported topic right now.
Dani Alves , Mascherano , Song are not homegrown.
Tom.
Messi played. {Ed002's Note - Messi is certainly homegrown.}
Tom- none of those started that match.
davethebutcher
They had a full homegrown 11 at one point for about 20 mins. Didn't start the game. Even so it's very impressive
FowlerisGod
Messi has been at Barca since he was a child
29 Nov 2012 13:21:27
The penny has dropped, I know why we have BR as boss, he knows how to get out of the championship, via the playoffs!
4 points off bottom, 17 points off Top.
3 wins vs the mighty Norwich(13th), Wigan(15th) & Reading(19th).
Beaten by the Superpowers of Swansea, Udinese & Anzhi in the cups.
Excuses but no results and owners who are silent and preoccupied with another failing sports business where Redsox fans could not give away their season tickets last season. The free spending days of past has caught up with them as well. My point is the Manager is out of his depth. The players are not delivering results and the responsibility must sit with the manager and coaches. The owners are well meaning but over their heads in trying to run two different sports, with two different cultures but with the same business plan. They are just rich enough to do both and are failing both teams. They need to pick one sport and back it properly with money and management time and sell the other or seek new partners to help with funding.
BR needs to move to another level of leadership. Get his tactics right from the start, generate results, as this will turn very ugly if we don't starting winning and picking up points. He has probably got another 10-12 games before league standings will become extremely important. If we are still in a precarious position, a temporary manager will have 10 games to save the season.
Agree. The manager is way out of his depth at Liverpool. What exactly has he done in his managerial career? Dont say he built the Swansea side because he took that team over from Martinez.
The Red Sox have a season ticket waiting list and have had for years . . . just in case you're interested in facts, which I doubt.
John CT
You've damn near drank the whole glass i see. Talented but tiresome.
Also, the Red Sox generate enough revenue to cover what is typically one of the highest payrolls in Major League Baseball. When they earn it, they will spend it. It's that simple and it's on the record. Go look.
John CT
He wants 3-5 years to turn it around. he could have us in league 2 by then...!
29 Nov 2012 13:20:31
contrary to what rodgers is saying about whole sale changes, there will be around 5 players coming in, with 3 going out.
£20m to spend
in
Wide Forward - Sturridge - £12m
Winger - Tom Ince: £4m
Defensive Midfielder - Vicente Iborra: £4.5m
Striker - Alessandro Matri: loan with option to buy
Left Back - Didac Vila: loan with option to buy
£22.5m
out
Downing £8m
Cole £2m
Pacheco loan
£10m
{Ed002's Note - Sahin is already on loan so it is not allowable to add two more.}
So only 2 loan players per season then ed002? Premier league only or all leagues? Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Premier League allows four in a season but only two at any one time. Other leagues have different rules.}
Ahhh, Oh no, you got stopped in your tracksuit come pyjamas there my friend. Maybe it will be just one of the lads coming in on loan, yeah?! :)
Or, controversially start your comments with ''I believe'' or ''In my most humble of opinions'', it would fair you better in the long term i feel, although this is just my friendly opinion.
Where is the 10million coming from
29 Nov 2012 13:17:06
Keep the heads up lads!Be proud to be a Liverpool supporter.support the manager,support the players(even if you dont personally rate them)and support the team.Its going to be a tough season but no matter what happens at the start of next season I'll still be a red,I'll still be wearing the colours,I'll still be supporting the team and I'll still get to be amongst the best supporters in the world on the Kop singing YNWA!!!
NAVANRED
Can't cry too much, it's the first loss in 8 games, to a very good side with one or two very good players. Bale would walk into our team and most others right now, he's on fire.
Much like Suarez, who had a frustrating game but he was due one, i'm very pleased he kept out of the ref's book, unpleased with the two penalty shouts that we had turned down, Gallas kicked Suarez's foot out and Gerrard's was about as worse. So the luck isn't with us and we must be men about it and march on.
29 Nov 2012 13:04:20
You lot on here are a disgrace to Liverpool FC.
Firstly, when we are doing average like against Swansea everyone is claiming that we are in a transition period and that we need a striker. 3 days later and we are ruined for the season and the worlds going to end, people saying Rodgers is not big enough for Liverpool and that relegation is a chance. GET A GRIP. We have another game soon and if we win that all of sudden most of you lot will have forgotton about Swansea and soon after Tottenham.
Secondly, why in gods green earth do most of you want to get rid of Rodgers. You think he is doing a terrible job but seem to refuse the notion that over the last 2 years, no Liverpool manager including Legend Kenny Dalglish (who the fans chose) could not win anything and made us into a horror show. If we get rid of Rodgers everything goes to custard and we have to break apart everything and start from square 1. Do any of you want that?
Finally, why do any fans think they can run Liverpool FC better than Rodgers and a whole army of staff who are payed millions to make LFC into the best club possible. Liverpool have people analysing every speck of relevant data and you think you know better than them. If Rodgers keeps playing Sterling its because he knows for 100% certain that he can perform at a good standard. The only reason you think he needs a rest is because he played averagely today. If Gareth Bale had not be playing he may well of been.
To summarize, I think nearly 90% of you need to grow up and realize that you cannot make a club successful for years to come by simply chopping and changing every time we lose. I know the disappointment at a loss as I'm a LFC fan, but I don't ever go and blame the management as I know that everything that can be done is being done. I therefore take it upon myself to get up at sods hour in New Zealand every game because I know when we win it will all be worth it. We need to stay together as fans more than ever as this is a tough time in our history.
Come on Liverpool
YNWA
GOD
Football is a game of opinions and if people have an opinion concerning LFC they are entitled to have their say.
I think you need to get a few things right. kenny won us a cup and got us to a final. so to say he did nothing is not true. br is not the man to take this club forward. yes there is alot of work to do at the club but football is football and it is about results and that is something br is not getting. he wont last
This a banter page, people are entitled to have their say. You do not have to have a four paragraph rant telling people off about what they want to say and how they feel about the club and players and management.
Tell me OP is 3 wins out of 14 acceptable? Forget all the excuses as all teams get given bad decisions, BR is simply out of his depth.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying that we've got to weather the storm but I like a few others can't work out if Ted is a genius or a total bullsh*tter and I think he's fortunate the press are going easy on him. a less popular manager would be getting hammered for 3 wins all season. If we got rid , I think we'd be -sq1 so we have to stick with but he needs to stop being so f*ckin nice,stop messing with the team and grow a set. Gerrard's getting old fast and the less he does the more he gets praised by the boss same with Carragher. New boss,new ideas , new beginning but oh yeh we forgot, everything you do has to be approved by Statler & Waldorf and you must feed their egos every chance you get. Any questions ? Teams are walking through us, Allen hasn't had a proper blow and it shows. He needs a break and other then flapping his arms and running around a lot, Henderson brings nothing to the party. If they're gearing us up for middle table mediocrity, I wish they'ed stop milking our great name for every dollar they possibly can without re-investing it back into the team. Have we an official dog food partner yet ?
In the meantime I'm going to smash me gaff up whilst listening to the new Deftones album
One question...y did the club go went down?
who and when?
if it was rafa...then tahts stuppidity...one season went bad..so u fired him?
aeging squad?
when rafa left the average squad age was 26.?
I don't think he is out of his depth just the team is not good enough and he doesn't have the ball to do few things. If we sack him who can replace him as I stated before Mourinho Huddink or guardioala are not coming here and even if they came they cant do a great job with downing henderson or half fit/ unmotivated gerrard in our side.
Red 316
29 Nov 2012 13:03:14
This just about sums up LFC at the present time - it is rumoured that we are willing to pay £6m for Thomas Ince who left us to go to Blackpool for peanuts.
Actually he left us for money not peanuts
We sold him for what, roughly 4 days of Gerrard's wages? That's pretty much peanuts.
Can some one please tell me is he any good for 4 mil?, will he sit on the bench? will his father interfere in everything?
29 Nov 2012 12:44:59
Why do some dumb fans keep dragging fsg into our problems..whose fault is it that kenny wasted money on players who haven't improved the squad..rodgers also wasted the bulk of 30millon on allen and borini..young players with potential,when he should have gone for players with proven quality who would have made an immediate impact on our squad we were already a team with potential before he came why add more?? see the way swansea improved their squad with the money they got from allen and rodgers...rodgers should be held responsible not fsg.if he had spent the 25mil on a proven goalscorer it would have been better..fsg have continued to provide money for transfers,and our managers have continued to waste fsg should go ahead with setting up the board to be in charge of transfers..if he doesn't like it he can resign.we would get someone who does..this wasting of money must stop..the last time we got. Value for money immediately was jan 2011 when we bought suarez..WTF??.rodgers can talk all he wants about january but we would be better as a team,if he had spent the money properly..spurs spent 26m on dembele and lloris.we spent ours on borini and allen...see the difference experienced players not players with potential..let's hope january won't be the same. KUNLE
29 Nov 2012 12:28:46
Something tells me ,in the course of time,we shall eventually be looking for another manager
Galaxy
What a great plan that would be! pay off yet another manager and his backroom staff, employ someone else with a five year plan, ship out players and bring more in and during that time come on these pages and read posts from all the moaners that our new manager is rubbish. When has it ever been proven (apart from maybe at Chelsea) that continually sacking managers brings success? we need long tern stability and i for one am fully behind BR and may i suggest other "fans" start doing the same.
Obviously.....unless we freeze Brendan
FowlerisGod
Well----yes ! all clubs will eventually be looking for another manager
Puzzled
Do you know the lotto numbers Galaxy? You are truly gifted
Wow a lot of anger amongst us reds, the OP was just making a joke about the sack BR debate.
29 Nov 2012 12:16:48
Is it really so hard to play Flanagan or Robinson at LB instead of Downing who proves everytime he plays that he doesn't deserve to wear the red shirt, take a risk on them at LB you have with youngsters elsewhere on the pitch.
YorkshireRED.
How downing is a pro footballer is shocking his lvl should be the npower league
Robinson yes, buta flnagan is rubbish. He doesnt even look like a footballer the way he runs and passes. Doesnt have any pace either.
Hounsred
29 Nov 2012 12:14:10
Less than 10 points in next 6 games and we should cut our losses and get Robbie Martinez in.
Keep changing manager, yea that really works!
It works for Chelsea
Yeah okay it works for them because they have an owner with a very deep pocket who buys a superstar every window for them
derryred (apologies if anyone beat me too it)
A billionaire owner works for Chelsea a little better than any manager.
29 Nov 2012 11:57:17
I missed the match yesterday, chasing my own football career, but watched it there now on LFCTV. To sum up i mustn't be chasing quick enough. Anyway on to the match. I thought we started poorly, downing was exposed for the first goal and we didn't keep the ball well enough. The free kick for the second goal was a joke and all in all the ref had a poor game. Anyway when we started i thought we were brilliant. Finishing was poor though, where we missed 3 unforgivable chanced falling to suarez, hendo and enrique, we also had a shower of half chances that perhaps the best players would've finished. Gerrard's claim wasn't a penalty. In the second half i thought we started much better and again enrique missed a sitter where he baffilingly decided to set up hendo rather than shoot. Anyway i think we were the better team and had we knicked a draw i doubt spurs fans would've complained. Anyway credit to them because they constantly threatened on the counter attack and they took their chances well. I think hendo is getting alot of unfair abuse. He let us down a bit attackingly, however he always got into the box where others didn't, which is still an issue for us. Remember this team destroyed us last season here and spurs are a top team. We are going in the right direction. Rodgers now needs backing. People calling for his head clearly know nothing. At the end of the 2010 season we uncerimoniously forced a manager out and have been ever since, getting us nowhere. You'd think fans would think long and hard before doing it again.
derryred
Nice sum-up.
Best of luck with your footballing career!
Drigan
At last! Someone making some sense. I can't believe some of you lot call yourself supporters of our football club. You should be embarrased and ashamed by some of your comments. Let Mr Rodgers carry on what he is doing as we'll start to see the benefits soon.
29 Nov 2012 11:56:31
I thinkits fair to say this season is done as far as league or cup success goes, Not that we cant stop hoping for top 4 EL winners Fa cup winners but at the moment the squad is bare thin and will just run out of steam to see all of that through.
SO why not just enjoy the rest of the season game for game. Last night we were poor VERY poor, But for our next game i will still aproach it as a fan with the same exitement and attitude like were the best thing since sliced bread, We'll have some good days and bad, We'll have changes in Jan and summer.
But so what its still a privellage to support Liverpool
I agree with the sentiment but i wouldn't say we were very poor yesterday. we deserved a draw and i doubt anyone would argue.
derryred
29 Nov 2012 11:48:12
Was wondering if any Ed could do a player profile on Thomas Ince as he seems a target for January and Jeffren Suarez to give your views and insight for those such as myself who haven't seen that much of them over the past year or so {Ed002's Note - If you ask on the profiles page the right Eds will see it and I am sure take it on board.}
29 Nov 2012 11:42:10
There's not enough goals in the side. Look at yesterday's team, Downing and Henderson are useless, let alone in front of goal. Allen cannot supply goals from midfield. Gerrard looks fed up (and plays like it). Sterling is 17, he will pop up now and again but not enough goals to be in a front three. Enrique is a LB playing at LW. Johnson surging forward, and Agger/Skrtel from set pieces are our only sources of goals in the side if you discount Suarez who has been magnificent.
29 Nov 2012 11:28:46
If only excuses won matches, we'd be top of the table.
Brendan is making himself look weak with his excuses.
In 87/88 an interviewer challenged the manager (King Kenny) on why LFC get so many penalties. His answer " because the ball is in the opponents penalty area all the time". And he was right.
I think the converse is true with this team. One of Rodgers excuses was we haven't had a penalty all season. Well that's because for 88 minutes we're f-ing about playing tippy tappy football in our own half whilst the opposition re-organises itself.
I'm sorry to say this but those who say "yes our results are bad but we're playing the right way now" are bang wrong!
There's only one right way to play football and that's the winning way.
If you're getting bad results then you're doing it wrong. Not the owners fault, not the former managers fault, not the players fault it's the manager and his back room staff's fault.
Tell me which English team has won anything playing tippy tappy football?
Only one big team has tried it (that tells it's own story). Arsene Wenger IS a managerial genius. He's a one off. But his attempt to play tippy tappy has cost Arsenal and they have not won for 7-8 seasons now after previously dominating the league.
Tippy tappy is fine in Spain and International football, but it does not work in England. We're too direct over here. Look at the first 20mins last night. Spurs blasted us off the park with direct running passing and shooting and after 20 mins the game was over. The same happened when Juve came to Anfield in 2005 CL. We attacked them from the first whistle and before they'd woken up they were 2-0 down and out of the tie.
Our team has the wrong mentality. It's mentality is "little pass, little pass etc etc". Eventually when we cross the half way line we lose the ball. The mentality has to be to attack when in possession. We'd rather retain possession than attack the opposition. That is where we are going wrong and if Rodgers doesn't grasp this SOON, his results will rightly get him sacked.
Do you mean tiki taka?
How is he making excuses? Hes telling it how it is! Yes we are lacking a few players but we have dominated most teams this season and decisions have cost us badly, if the right calls were made, we would be sitting 5th 2 points off 4 th, how is this Rodgers fault and anything to do with his style of play?
He's been making excuses all season, he should get back to Swansea where he belongs.
29 Nov 2012 11:22:09
Anyone else think the team needs need to win the next 3 games against Southampton, West Ham and Aston Villa to get fans confidence back?
RedD
No sh*ep sherlock?!!
big a
29 Nov 2012 11:20:13
Now we are seeing why the "Kids" alone can't save the club from its mid table station
Rodgers biggest mistake apart from taking the job which he is not ready for (doubtful he'll ever be ready for it) was farming out Carroll
Rodgers must stand up and be counted and atone for his mistakes hiding behind excuses is only for losers.
C'mon Brendan admit your time has not come!
LFC are in crisis and we need a big time manager not an experiementalist.
Jack the Groove
Answer me this, as the main man in West Ham's attack, a team is above us in the league. How many goals have Carroll?
Dear Jack - which big time manager are you referring to - Big Sam? Curbishley? Moysie? Capello? Ranieri? Pep? Jose?
Jack - you know jack! Singred
The point is not how many goals Carroll has scored for West Ham
The point is BR was willingly to ship Carroll out without another striker to replace him.
Also the point is that BR is not up to the job.
Another other points are not there!
Jack the Groove
What's the point of keeping a player on the bench if he can do jack all? Rodgers saw Carroll would not fit into the system and since he had to lower the wage bill before he could invest in new players, he let Carroll go. He himself admitted he would not have let Carroll left if he knew his hands were tied over the Dempsey farce.
BR is not up to scratch - then who is available then? Martinez?
Again you know jack. Singred
Again you go off on tangents
IF BR is so pig headed not to play Carroll when he has no strikers then he should not be in charge
A manager must be dynamic and only playing one type of football is never going to be enough.
Try singing whats written, not whats in your head
Jack the Groove
29 Nov 2012 11:19:15
has anyone watched Jordan Ibe play? looks dangerous!
redkenyan
He was superb last night vs Dortmund. They couldn't handle his pace and skill.
Dont get carried away lads!
If only looking dangerous translates into scoring goals.
29 Nov 2012 11:18:15
Is rodgers being stupid.or just inexperienced.. sterling is just 17 and he keeps playing him for 90mins the boy is very tired and needs.a rest..gerrard can't play 4 games in 10 days..who doesn't know that..the dm role is already too much for allen.but still he keeps lying on squad depth and the team was magnificent when we loose..when there are some obvious changes that should have been made.our midfield. is large enough to be rotated every week,but it never occurs to him that maybe he should rest some players..
Have said this already about Sterling,he's very young and still growing,running him into the ground at this early stage of his career is not a good thing
NAVANRED
I agree Gerrard can't play too many, but I disagree that playing a 17 year old twice in a week is too much. He's 17 - surely it's not too much to ask, he's pumped up on hormones and adrenaline! Also, he's of slight frame - his body is able to run like hell at least twice a week. If he is starting to look tired, give him a break, otherwise stick him in there. Just my opinion.
Nick
BR is going to ruined Sterling just like how Houllier ruined Owen by playing him all the time at a young age. Give the lad a rest BR
29 Nov 2012 11:16:23
It takes us to go 2-0 before we start playing I would honestly tell the players if you don't start next match like we ended the spurs one ur dropped its beyond a joke now u watch all the other teams in prem near enuff and the have a style that looks good and wins games , arsenal for example have a nice style which people like to watch aren't we trying to do the same we really need to get to grips and look at that table ( man u , man city , Chelsea ) ( Watford Bristol city , peterborough ) the players choice
29 Nov 2012 11:06:13
Lot of good managers on here this morning, guess a lot of clubs are missing out on the superb tactical knowledge and the fantastic talent spotters that come on here. Those computer games seem to be an excellent learning tool for potential managers.
robbie
Its mad, these "supporters" dont even see the games, they just see the result! So annoying, we should've got something out of the game yesterday, we've totally improved our game since Rodgers took over, implementing a new system and style of play takes time, admittedly we're short on strikers but there's still no reason why we shouldn't have won the majority of games we've played so far this season, we've just been really unlucky IMO. This January is gonna define the rest of our season, i hope we get the quality players we need in.
Rocky
I'm not a computer game fanatic and I'm in my 50s. Sadly the writer of this post is sadly deluded. It's not that people become managers, even if they do the fact remains that BR is never going to bring success to Liverpool with the pathetic style of football being seen at the moment. That's not being a manager it's being real.
Stop bleeting on about should've and unlucky,fact is we haven't and u make your own luck,it's time to face facts we're not the team we used to be and we're simply not good enough,gerrard our savior for so long looks either fed up,worn out or finished i'm not sure which and what other manager plays a useless winger at LB when a he's got a LB playing LW and b he's got wisdom sat on the bench,problem is our football has become too slow and too predictable.
paul d
Now we have a fortune teller.
derryred
^^^^'pathetic style of football being seen at the moment' - Where were you when Rafa and Kenny were in charge? You should switch sports and watch bowls - you won't get bored! Singred
The football is good, it's just that we cannot finish. Instant success is all well and good but some people cannot accept the fact that we have no money to splash out, unless you advocate us going the same way as Leeds, Portsmouth etc. we have to build and it will take time, just accept it and support what the club are trying to do. Bill Shankly never had instant success, Fergie did,nt have instant success, other great teams were built not bought. I will feel more proud watching my team being built and getting better all the time, eventually returning to those halcyon days of years ago than buying a team ,ala City or Chelsea. We will achieve success with us fans being more supportive so stop wanting it now. We will get beaten by other teams but that is football. Support what the owners and staff are trying to do. Self sufficient football team with great support and a worldwide fan base. That is the aim. Tomorrow is another day.
Robbie
Great post, Robbie! Couldn't agree more! Mancs have been in the doldrums for so long but they were patient and took years to rebuilt and rebuilt with fergie, and now reaping the rewards of building and enjoying long-term success. That's where we want to be, and we will get there. Singred
29 Nov 2012 11:02:39
Not so long ago many fans on here were calling for Pepe,s head and saying that we should go for El Habsi or Ruddy etc. Have you seen the clangers of late that both keepers have had?. All keepers have a bad spell, stick with Pepe for me with Jones as an adequate back up keeper.
Robbie
How long are their bad spells lasting?
Reina'a bad spell has now lasted two years.
Petr Cech when did he have a bad spell?
I do not watch other teams so I do not know what howlers other keepers have. Are you telling me that Petr Cech has never had a bad game? If Pepe was up for sale there would be a queue of real football managers wanting him. Sometimes you don't know what you have got untill it's gone.
Robbie
And sometimes when its gone its a relief
29 Nov 2012 10:43:30
WHEN DOES HISTORY BECOME REDUNDANT?
When a player has a list of clubs laid before him to play for his eyes must widen at some of the names. To think he could play for Manchester United, Barcelona, Inter Milan, PSG, AC Milan, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Manchester City or ..... well not us anymore.
A decade ago the name Liverpool meant something very substantial in the world of football. A club with a big history and trophies to boot. The French L'Equipe football magazine talked of Ajax, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Liverpool as the great names of European football. Today we have slipped below the likes of Borussia Dortmund (a huge club btw with the biggest crowds in European football) and Manchester City.
It staggers me that we still say our name and reputation will be enough to attract the big names anymore; Suarez was not the big name he is now even with success at Ajax (a phenomenal club in terms of player development and European football history) and eyt we still cling to this belief. Coming to Liverpool FC now for a player with a big name is more about wages - surely? After all, you're arriving at Anfield with a club that loses more games than most fans can remember in three seasons, let alone one, and one that can no longer claim a place in the CL.
No solutions from me, just an observation so many other fans seem to wwant to avoid looking at in the cold light of any day.
7ER
Great post. Lets hope people now realise that we are NOT a big club - we used to be.
History never becomes redundant. Look it up and you will find out what history means. It means history, everything that has gone on before.
robbie
Robbie: you're right, like being in the queue at the Job Centre and remembering what it was like when you had a job!
Sounds to me like some people answering this post want us to be a small club. For your information, Liverpool are a massive club and always will be you prune
Two words...
Nottingham
and
Forest
Liverpool is a great club, a well-supported club, and now, a well-run club.
By any objective measure, however, it is no longer a massive club.
29 Nov 2012 10:42:51
hey lfc fans...... i too am very dissappointed with the teams slow start and lack of..OOMPH at the start of the game..
we all know if that was man city or man utd we were playing against..we would start off so fast... (why only against them aye)
yes rogers is to blame for playing downing and henderson..i agree with you all... robinson and shelvey or sahin are better
sahin part.he is very weak physically..you have all seen that....maybe he plays him against different opposition..who knows
but also rogers cant be blamed at the squad hes inherited...he didnt buy most of the players he has
so its hard to decide who plays without playing the same 11 all the time
what is evident is we need a midfielder with skill and an attacking threat in the middle.............then some forwards wingers..and a left back
again atleast 6-7 players....
so we are a longggg way away from anything good.........so no matter what manager comes in right..
will he really do a better job with the players we have...seriously??
our squad needs major investment...as well as getting rid of cole henderson downing and caroll
those 2 things..........will take alot of time with these damn yanks
red lobster
I think 6-7 players is a bit radical, i also thought hendo was decent yesteday, although his attack play let him down on 2 occasions. That being said he did really bust a gut to get in the oppositions box.
derryred
To be honest 6-7 players in not unrealistic, we need 3-4 first 11 player who can make a difference and a few more to improve depth in the squad.
Either way we need reinforcements and fast
K-Man
29 Nov 2012 10:31:29
hey ed002, got a question, are we looking at any left backs? with enrique being pushed forward (i understand that he is still a LB), and Downing being rumoured as on the transfer list, it could be possible? BR havent shown the same trust on Robinson YET to play LB right now, and if Downing is sold, we wont have nobody there.
Kaizer {Ed002's Note - None I can think of right now.}
29 Nov 2012 10:36:20
Liverpool fc is in big mess owners need to stand and back Rodgers or bring some one experience to help Rodgers before fans start calling their heads. Yesterday I was with some fans and were not happy at all some even were saying they are no dofferent to Hicks and Gillet.
Reality is they have no clue at all how football club is run. 13th in the table is not good enough for any decent club forget Liverpool
January is going to be big test for them and Liverpool fans or else won't take time for Banners to fly at anfeild.
29 Nov 2012 10:17:58
Can people please stop with the pointless comparisons between KD, BR and Roy! The points total after 14 games does not tell the story at all! Please try to see the bigger picture!
Roy had a younger Stevie, a younger Carra, he had Torres and the experience of Kuyt, etc to call on. He bought in Cole and Poulsen, etc which has, and continues, to hamper the club! We played terrible football under his management.
KD spent 100M to build his own team. The players he bought are awful and he paid way over the odds for them. Those same players are now worth very little! This has caused the club massive financial problems - BR is now paying for that! We played an OK style, but not 100M worth! His squad was far more experienced than the one we have now (think Maxi, Bellers) so KD should have done better.
BR has had to strip the squad bare to right the wrongs and clear the wage bill. Financial problems can NOT be ignored! He has had to rely on some very young players this season. His squad is very thin at present but we're playing some fantastic football and creating bucket loads of chances.
Don't get me wrong, BR still has a lot to prove! Joe Allen started well but has become a liability of late - he should be dropped. Borini will be judged in time. He needs to play Shelvey! We NEED to take our chances (I was at the game last night - 1 goal from 15 attempts is not good enough)! This is where BR should concentrate - we'll see what happens in Jan.
We may be lower in the league than in previous years, but the future is looking bright for the first time in a long time. We have some great talent coming through and gaining invaluable PL experience. The owners need to back the manager, IF they do, we will do well under BR! At the very least, he needs and deserves time and support from LFC fans!
LFC_SA
P.S. Please stop stating "fact" at the end of every sentence!
I think that you are dead right, FACT.
robbie
29 Nov 2012 11:29:42
1)KD didn't pay over the odds or negotiated it was Cammoli and Board
2)We were playing good footy and were better then compare now in the table
3) We were close to top4 until Lucas got injured. We were comfortably sitting (6) in the table and it was feb-march ony 21/2 moths went wrong for us and we were quick to sack the manager.
4) We hit the crossbar more then anyother team(32)
5)Most players were injured still qualified for two finals and went to win one
6) We won a trophy after 6 years
7) If FSG had no money to back new manager then why change and make big mess for new manager
8) We would be better if we would had stick with kenny. I have nothing against Rodgers but owners have made his job very very difficult. Coz now we are worst then last season If we are honest.
10) And don't forget more then half season Lucas, Gerrard and Suarez were not available...
Nice post although i would press on with joe allen
derryred
I can't help my sign off name
FACT
Watched Poulsen against Man City a few weeks ago,how come he didnt play for us like that?
NAVANRED
To the no-name poster above who listed his points 1 to 10 (whilst forgetting number 9)
If Dalglish was still the manager we would be in DIRE trouble. We have a new young manager trying to bring a new brand of football to the club and yet having to do it with players who,in the main, were not his choices and in many cases are not good enough (and I do not only mean the newish recruits)
Puzzled
Puzzled
From Kenny's time we have Hendo and Downing who havent played that often in the Premier League and Enrique who everyone has been waxing lyrical about in his new found position. I fail to see how you can blame Kenny on these results. The rest of the players, Skyrtle, Agger,Johnson,Pepe,Gerrard etc have been here since Rafa's time.
The Irish Rover
29 Nov 2012 10:17:52
BR has thankfully got us playing the right way and has blooded some of our very talented youngsters. It is clear however that at the moment we simply don't have the depth of quality in the squad required to make a success of it this season. This will change over time once BR has had a real chance to wheel and deal. Whilst Kenny thankfully got the Suarez signing spot on, his other signings have been very poor and the effect of these poor signings continues to influence our results this season. Imagine the difference it would make if the squad had an additional quality striker, midfielder and winger. The big money spent on Henderson, Downing and Carroll should have guaranteed this depth to our squad. Due to financial constraints BR's hands were tied this summer in solving these issues. No one was willing to buy Carroll outright for a decent price. I pray that the clause obliging W Ham to sign Carroll for £17m if they stay up is water tight (Ed can you confirm this?). He is not exactly setting the world alight for a team which supposedly play to his style and if we don't get £17m from them we will struggle to get £10m from anyone else. Getting rid of Downing to me is no brainer though, we will be lucky to get anything over £5m for him. Henderson is a bigger issue as he is still young and could come good. From what I have seen of him so far he has a very good engine, however his composure and final ball is very poor. On balance I believe that we have other young midfielders at the club with greater potential and we should therefore sell him for a half decent fee should the opportunity arise. The sale of Downing and Henderson would help BR to pay for a quality winger. All this is going to take time and I just cannot wait for Lucas to come back so that we can move Allen into a more advanced role. Reality Red
Henderson is overthinking instead of doing what comes natural,his Liverpool career is in doubt and this is putting massive pressure on him.I think it will be a mistake to sell him,he might not be Christian Erikson but hes a solid player,theres a lot more to come from him.
NAVANRED
Navanred sorry cant see that you ever go to games with s ite you talk lad
29 Nov 2012 10:09:31
A no name replied to me, saying Reina is better than Jones, heres why youre wrong..
Whos better at the moment at;
Catching?-Jones
Claiming Crosses?- Jones
Shots from outside the box?- Jones
Distribution?- Reina
Commuinication?- Reina
Penalty stops(overs last 2 years)- Jones
Close shot stopping?- Reina
Reactions?- would of said Reina to be honest, but all these near post goals, and well, how he reacted to bales free kick.....Jones
Off their line?- Reina has started to do it again lately so will go even
Positioning - Even
Confidence- Jones
Passion- Jones
Answer me this reds, when anybody from any team, has a shot against us, and you think its going to be on target, do you hold your breath a little? I know i do when reina is in the net, if we feel that nervous, imagine how the team feel, theyre no stupid, they know reinas form isnt where it should be. I feel a lot more comftable when jones is in goal, dont you? or if people have so much against jones, i think a GK should be on our list as much as a striker.
Thanks eds
Benny baller
Good txt, good points
fagan81
Sorry im the opposite,always feel nervous with Jones in goals,not saying hes a bad keeper but his lack of experience doesnt instill me with confidence
The fact he's around 30 y/o and never been a 1st team regular mus tell you something
29 Nov 2012 10:02:25
Lots of people once again having their say on Joe Allen. After one-third of the season gone I'm afraid I have to agree with many of them. He cost £15m and is a very average player. Brendan feels he has to play him cos he bought him.
Couldn't disagree more.
You need to watch the games.
I watch the games and couldnt agree more,in saying that though,hes definitly not being played in his best position.reading the game,closing space and tackling is not his forte,his passing and the ability to keep the ball will be used much better further up the pitch.
NAVANRED
He's a good player but I think the Olympics and no break has caught up with him. He needs a blow
29 Nov 2012 09:54:10
where is Sahin is he injured ? Hendo and Downing playing sahin not why ??
hhh
3 games in 6 days.
Rotation and injury prevention.
Cos Sahins been woeful thats why
29 Nov 2012 09:52:33
RODGERS MOVING INCE BY INCE TO SUCCESS?
Good to see Brendan Rodgers sticking to his mental guns and deciding that Thomas Ince should return to Liverpool after we let him go for pennies 18 months ago. I could never quite understand who was to blame for that - maybe dad poked his nose in once again - but I applaud his conviction and belief in the player.
Rather like the Rafa era, we seem reluctant to point the finger of blame at old managers, but it would appear that KK did not see things the way some fans wanted it to be. It may be that Comoli was the main reason Ince left, but along with the disastrous buys of the KK era (Henderson, Downing and Caroll) it appears Rodgers has decided to right a few wrongs.
The persistence with Pacheco and Suso seemes to be paying off only with Suso as Pacheco seem half the player he appeared two seasons ago. It's all subjective and younger players do go in and out of the game - and it will happen to Sterling at some stage - but I appreciate that Rodgers has the guile and mindset to look at these younger players in battle. This is why welcoming Ince back is something I look forward to.
He may not be one of the "greatest footballer players to ever walk the earth" (Zaha) or "possibly the world's most complete midfielder" (Wilshere) or even "the greatest winger the world will ever see playing football" (Walcott) ..... sorry, these are all quotes from their representaives ......... but Ince could be a player to unlock a few doors for us this season. Henderson has proved to be inept and I can't think of a player I have ever said that about before. His fluffing of his football lines is evident and along with Cole and Downing eh must be shown the transfer door asap.
Our path is as rocky as ever and it's still going to be a hard slog to finish in the top 10 this season. Yet the one thing I do feel sure about is that BR will be a stronger manager and we will be a better team next season. Now, I know we ALWAYS say that and talk about next season, but for once (saying this to myself) I have to mentally write off the PL although I feel we still have a good shot at the Europa League and the FA Cup. Let's hope with a decent winger we might have a better shot at those!
7ER
Tom ince; average with a terrible attitude
29 Nov 2012 09:50:39
Totally agree. I can't believe the hatred that comes out after a defeat - especially one we didn't deserve - for a manager who is doing his best with a team that need investment and time to adopt to a great way of playing football that should serve us in the future as it did in the past. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but BR is trying his best to.
And for all of you FIFA2013 experts - try playing a season as Liverpool and you'll experience the problems BR has - once Suarez is knackered and needs a rest/you want to change systems, who else do you bring on up front? Exactly the problem that we have. We are drawing more games than winning because goals win games - a striker is a necessity in January (as it was to BR in the summer before the "men in suits" let Carrol go with no replacement ready).
Fishyred.
I agree with most of what you say, except Carroll doesn't score goals either.
Wished we would have sold or loaned out Downing and Henderson last summer. We would most certainly have had more points.
kidmillions
29 Nov 2012 09:46:30
what an absolute joke this club has become. years ago we were destroying teams but now the teams are destroying us. whats embarrassing about the club is that we finish below teams such as spurs, newcastle, and everton (and i hate spurs and everton so much). we should be destroying teams such as spurs 4-0, not them beating us 4-0. sorry guys but im not going to support a team that is going downhill.
Get gone then, we don't need mugs like you supporting our club anyway. You're a pathetic excuse of a supporter.
JFT 96
JP
I am so happy that you are no longer a supporter of lfc. Really can't stand fans like you.
You won't be missed
Chris in Tamworth
Even if we were relegated (tongue in cheek)to the lowest league possible I would as would 99.99999% of supporters wouldn't even contemplate not supporting our great club.Things always get worse before they get better and we may have some bad results to come but I reckon we will have some cracking ones aswell keep the faith support the lads and Brendon.
YNWA.
Reusch.
I know its dissapointing but if you cant support them when they are loosing you shouldnt support them when they are winning.
Cheerio cheerio cheerio!!
29 Nov 2012 10:45:22
Awesome! One more plastic supporter gone, could you plz take the rest of them with you? Leem
So bad it's almost spoof like.
No club has the divine right to beat any team 4 nil never mind spurs.u obviously beat them in championship manager 4 nil and believe this is how the real world works. Harry potter aint real either. MonaghanRed ps Santa is real tho..
What an person - off you go and support man united. Or man city. Or whoever won last weekend.
By the way, if you check back over last 50 years, I think you'll find we have never beaten Tottenham by 4 goals away from home, and from memory only twice at home!
Pathetic fan. Stand by your team through the good and bad times. Especially the bad times. Can everyone just realise we are building a new team and give them time. we probably wont see any stability in the team till next season.
FowlerGod.
Its me team dread , I support them because they're from by ours, not for success and if we did ever go down a lot of daytrippers and pot hunters would abandon us like fleas off a dogs back so at least I could sit with our kid and me mates again
29 Nov 2012 09:34:47
We played absolutely dreadful in that first 30 minutes and were lucky to only concede 2. We could easily have been 4 down in that opening third. We played far better after that but by then the damage was done and Spurs could afford to sit back and play the counter. Sterling - although undoubtedly talented, need a bit more muscle. He is knocked off the ball and of his stride to easily. Henderson played well however the situation we were in - losing, necessitated he be replaced by a more attack-minded player that Shelvey is (great future this lad. very tactically aware). The real revelation for the last few games has been Enrique. Since being played further forward he is reborn. Easily our best player last night. RED LENIN.
29 Nov 2012 09:31:21
In my opinion, the possible transfers wil be wilfried bony for 8m and walcott for 9m. While bent and sturridge wil come in on loan wit an option to buy. And also joe cole and downing wil be allowed to leave to compensate the transfers. Henderson wil be given chance to improve. With these players in and Lucas returnin from injury wil allow Gerrard to play upfront(more attacking) that wil create more depth to the team so v can change all draws to wins. These transfers r possible.
Dream on kidda
29 Nov 2012 09:29:05
i would love to hear peoples opinons on the following scenario:
Its the end of the 2012-2013, Liverpool have finished 12th, and got to the last 16 of a cup, what are peoples thoughts.....
Give the manager 100m and build a new stadium.
Probably be " golden Rodgers is doing a superb job and deserves a new contract"..
Bring on 2013 - 2014 because I love my club and I am patient.
Levans.
Bring back kenny! lol
BR gets new contract with vastly improved dollars for him
BR convinces "everyone" in FSG would not seem to be that difficult since they don't know what they are doing that he's an instant success
Whats this top 4 thing about i never had it before says Rodgers and look at me now!
Santa baby
Take a deep breath, remind myself that we're in it for the long haul, look at the few positives from the past season, predict how next season should pan out with possibility of new signings, etc. go through withdrawal symptoms in late Spring/early summer for the lack of football, eagerly anticipate the signings I'd love to see come in during the summer transfer window, get excited at the beginning of August for the start of the new season. I thought every Liverpool fan would more or less go through the same motions?
Cuchulainn's Hounds
29 Nov 2012 09:28:56
Fellow Reds & Ed's,
Having read some of the posts on here in the last 12 hours, as well as some of the LFC 'Supporters' posts on Sly Sports and the LFC website, I really am annoyed with the 'new' plastic supporters we seem to have adopted that constantly want 'oil money' and calling BR to get the sack. This is not the LFC way. Check out the Chelski supporters comments on sly sports under last nights match review to see what plastic and immediate support has become! Its pathetic. Especially when Ed's have said that we are the most damning, whiny and worst in our support for our team on this website!!
The team at the moment is actually playing pretty good football which is easy on the eye. It is clear we need more attacking options but we cant do anything until January so get over it! Do we really want to get rid of BR and get another manager with more cost and expense? 4 managers in 4 years - we would become the joke of the league, that's almost as bad as Chelski!
And with these people calling for BR's head, who would we get to come in - who else is out there? What Ancellotti and others who are not long-term and who require vast pots of money and salaries!
If you were supporters back in 1959 and found out you were getting a little known manager who had previously managed lowly Carlisle, Grimsby, Workington and Huddersfield, the greatest manager we have seen - Bill Shankly wouldn't have lasted 1 season! God knows what you would have thought of Paisley & Fagan!
We have not got the resources that both Manc teams have or Chelski, however, we have history, we have pride and we have our love of LFC. LFC was made great from building upwards with limited resources, that was the Shankly way. If you want immediate success - Chelski & Citey are always looking for new supporters. I will support this club thick & thin.
FSG saved us once and they have a plan in place. For people to say that they only bought the club for a quick turn around is rubbish. New supporters support the winning teams, FSG will HAVE to make us successful on the pitch to make money off the pitch, the two come hand in hand, I believe FSG want to make us successful, but throwing money at players like we did last season clearly has not worked. We are a on a rebuilding process, I personally don't expect results for another 2-3 seasons, but it will come my friends, it will come. Think of this - we have had the youngest average team so far this season - the future is bright!!
I do hope our support never ever sees the likes of Banners in the crowd saying RAFA out as was the case with Chelski. I think if we fall to that level, we will be doomed as a club. Please get behind the team, lets hope BR is the one and lets support this most beautiful and wonderful club that has ever graced this land!!
Boysie-Red
" ... however, we have history, we have pride and we have our love of LFC."
As the Mancs keep telling us history is what happened 10 seconds ago. Our history has done little for us in the past 20 years (save for one CL title) and we are a mid-table team at best and have been for a few seasons now.
Gerrard grows older and we tryo to disguise that by saying he is learning a new system and position; he is not the player he was and neither is Torres! We are in the final stages of a transitional period that started under Rafa and the younger players are now more evident than ever.
FSG will hopefully keep their nerve better than some of the fans. BR is a long-term solution but maybe arrived five years too late!
7ER
29 Nov 2012 09:23:49
I am still gobsmacked to hear people say that we should be grateful that someone bought LFC ???
I thought we were a great club - any owner should be privileged that they bought LFC
We are not Portsmouth where fans are grateful for anyone showing an interest in their club
We did have other potential buyers but only one stupid enough to offer £100m than they needed to secure the sale
If we did go into administration it would have meant we would have been sold for even less and more buyers would have come forward
The blame for all this lies firmly at the feet of Moores and Parry
Leam Red
People who buy a rolls Royce don't constantly complain about how much they paid for it or how much it costs to run or try to stick a diesel engine in it !!!
Pure arrogance
This particular rolls royce hadnt been serviced in 15 years
Privileged to have bought a club that has fallen down the League? You really a supporter? Yes - but with red contact lenses.
Moores and Parry
Morres had long left the club it was owned by H&G
Can you explain what moores part in the sale was?
Moores held on to the club for 5 years too long - he didn't have the financial clout to invest in the team / academy / marketing / satdium when it was the right time
We are still playing catch for his greed
No more need to be said about his choice of buyers - greed again
29 Nov 2012 09:23:32
OK, its obvious to me we are divided between those that want to follow Rodgers through thick and thin and those that think there is something seriously wrong, The people in the give him time camp may have a point, its easy to get rid of someone after half a season without giving them recognised funding and a squad he can call his own, its also easy to slate a man when its not going right without giving him the time to fully implement something new knowing that id say a good half of the players in the squad are not going to be susceptible to change anytime soon,
On the other side of the coin it IS a results business whether we like it or not, gone are the days of giving Fergie time with a last ditch win in the cup to save his skin, if old Fergie had been in the same situation this year then im afraid he wouldnt have had the dynasty hes created up the road as he would have been out on his ear,
everyone quotes money in football but it is and always will be now a major requirement when it comes to doing well, gone are the halcyon days of Brian Clough et al putting together a winning side on a shoestring and conquering all it just wont happen anymore, clubs are too quick to snap up even the smallest of talents at an early stage now and are even happier to leave them in the reserves or under 21's knowing well and good that say for instance Chelsea were to sign a youngster for 500,000 then because he is now a Chelsea player even if he dosnt make the grade he will then become more likely a 3 million pound player as long as hes been around the fringes of the first team via Carling cup etc etc.
Were pretty divided about if we actually have any of the cash required too, some say we have nothing to spend, some say its a smokescreen and Rodgers has money to burn due to the owners needing to make up for a very poor window last time around, nobody truly knows the truth but i suspect January might give us more than a few clues about peoples intentions,
January is notorious for overpriced transfers and everyone and his dog knows the position we are in, we need firepower and a left back before anything else, we are likely to get quoted ridiculous amounts due to this fact, but do we go gung ho and give them what they want or does the manager risk upsetting every fan in the land by either bringing in no-one or bringing in someone who will need to prove his worth a fair bit more than the Borinis of this world such as Bent?
We DO have only 3 wins, thats the reality, and the reality also is it wouldnt be acceptable in any other top four side, we dont class ourselves as a top four side, we class ourselves as one of the elite, slight fall from grace or not, our reputation around Europe is still preceded by none,
Its a conundrum thats a fact but Ill stick with what i believe for now and thats that this window is going to give us far more information about our manager, the owners and the loyalty of certain big name players than any other before.
The Guv YNWA JFT96
29 Nov 2012 09:18:10
Do you realise that Rodgers has spent £25m on Allen and Borini. And they say Kenny spent badly.
How anyone can moan about Borini when he's injured is beyond me.
Get your Brain fixed lad
Allen is brilliant,it's the rest of the team around him that's rubbish
Do u have any idea what u talking about. Do you want a defensive midfielder to score the goals for you. Allen was awesome last night. Oh yes Borini didnt play
I'm more concerned about the £36M for Downing and Henderson?
kidmillions
Don't think it really compares to buying adam, downing, carroll and henderson for over 70m does it sausage
29 Nov 2012 09:16:53
This is the start of the season for the 3 previous managers:
Rodgers - played 14, position 12th, points 16
Kenny - played 14, position 7th, points 23
Hodgson - played 14, position 9th, points 19.
Facts do not lie. This manager has not improved us at all.
This manager has had to do a cost cutting exercise, did the others?
Keith
Keith
Hodgson had less money to spend than Rodgers and he also didnt have the luxury of all our good young players then. You know Suso, Sterling Wisdom etc. 36% win rate! The lowest by a fair margin of any manager. I think we should look at the facts and not make excuses.
The Irish Rover {Ed001's Note - Hodgson also had a better team to take over. There was a better squad for Hodgson, who wouldn't have given youngsters a chance anyway. You really need to stop whining, you have become one of the biggest whingebags here of late, what happened to support?}
I disagree with cost cut he has bought in 28 million pounds worth of average to poor players ,if money was that tight they should have left kenny there give him no money and said to all fans ,that we wanted kenny back he's had his money and you will have to except what happens . Not build false hope again ,because the average fan thinks kenny lost his job because 8th in the league and two finals weren't good enough for the owners and the club .I personally would snatch your hand off now for a top ten finish.
Hold on ed001! You think i wasnt willing Suarez goal to go in or for the penalty to be given last night? But after all mine and others willing the team to do better during all the games the results are still the same. Matches are not won on football forums, they are won on the pitch. The only people that can affect that are the players and manager and a small input from the fans that are at the game. When do we become concerned Ed001? Besides we are all entitled to our opinion or this site would become one huge big love in and whats the point of that. Also Ed001 there is no way you would have expected to win just 3 games at this stage of the season. I am only speaking the truth! Shoot me!
The Irish Rover {Ed001's Note - except that people should stop worrying about results as this year was always going to have to be about rebuilding. It is ridiculous to expect the club to go forward when the heart has been ripped out of it. It takes time to put new foundations in. Even Shanks couldn't do it over night.}
29 Nov 2012 09:11:42
I just hope BR is not playing games with the FSG like rafa did with h&g
There is no other reason to think Downing is the best LB option for a premier league game and the selection of henderson ahead of Shelvey (also the continous use of cole ahead of anyone really)
I think BR has put these 3 in the shop window enough (only further reducing their value to any potential buyers)
I am sure these tactics will not force FSG's hand in giving BR more money (which they don't seem to have)
If BR genuinely believes these 3 are the right selctions then be is a naive manager and will learn in years to come
Take these 3 out then we play like a half decent side
Just think Suarez is a bit too greedy sometimes - there is support fir him but he refuses to use it
Players stop running when he has the ball as they don't expect to receive it - they either expect him to dribble and shoot or lose it
Leam Red
29 Nov 2012 09:06:48
A recent post says lay off Rodgers, it is not his fault we only have one goalscorer. It is his fault, he got rid of Carroll and did not replace him - FACT. This manager has had the worst start for a season compared to our previous two managers - FACT.
The fault in your argument is that Carroll wasn't a goalscorer. RED LENIN
When did carrol become a finisher? The useless donkey would have taken sterling's place n made things even worse. 1 goal in 10 games for west ham, incredible aint it?
Indian Buzzer
FACT,He said he would not have got rid of Carrol if he had'nt had assurances that we would sign Dempsey
And he still isnt one
29 Nov 2012 09:52:34
Carrol scored 3 EPL goals all season, and has yet to score for Westham, is that your goal scorer you speak of? Leem
FACT FACT FACT. Fac of mate
davethebutcher
Carroll scored against tottenham the other day m8
''These are the facts okay, no mind games, facts!''
Said in a Rafa voice whilst styling a pen drawn David Brent goatie. XD
29 Nov 2012 08:55:28
(Please post in rumours)
Eds...fans... Am I the only LFC fan who thinks Joe Allen has been less than useful for the last 5 or 6 games? Jordan Henderson, Jonjo Shelvey and Nuri Sahin can all play his position... time to take off the Allen-shaped, Rose tinted glasses, Brendan!?
Enrique at LB and Assaidi at LW would have made sense!
Os Red
Henderson replace Allen Nooooo he lost us the game.
He can't finish to save his life and his tracking back is clumsy.
....
oh Lucas i hope you will be back by next weekend
How many times does Allen pass the ball forward? 15 million wasted hes garbage.
So , you think Jonjo Shelvey can play Defensive Midfield ........... have you ever been to a football match , even in the local park ?
Since Enrique has been pushed further up the pitch he has been a revelation. To drop him back to left back would be a retrograde step. RED LENIN
29 Nov 2012 08:46:04
This is how I sum Liverpool up at the moment..... Stuart downing playing left back..... Sums it all up I think
James
29 Nov 2012 08:43:45
I'm still happy to back Rodgers but he must get his starting line up right (he's got it wrong a few times now) and he must make the right signings in January
Chris in Tamworth
29 Nov 2012 08:30:54
The manager can only work with what hes got.....You mean like Steve Clarke, AVB, Wenger, Moyes
Id say our squad is as good if not better than that lot so could someone else do a better job than Rodgers?......WBA's squad isnt that hot and theyre doing a mile better than we are.....
Just putting it out there but this is a results business and ours are poor..3 wins?...thats not LFC standard at this time of year sorry.
WBA lost 3-1 at swansea last night,enough said
Not sure what planet your on if you think livdrpool has a better squad than tottenham and everton
29 Nov 2012 08:20:33
We played with 9 men. I posted the other day we need our best players on the pitch. I also stated Gerrard should be on the right side of midfield (not in the centre) Gerrard played quite well last night but all his best bits come when he drifts to the right side and links up with Suarez and Sterling all his worst bits are when he's exposed in the centre. Spurs were lucky to come up against a 9 man Liverpool side who still managed to outplay them for the vast majority of the game.
kidmillions
We only out played them for the "majority" because that majority, they we 2 nil up. They didnt have to attack, and invited pressure on too them selves.
Benny baller
29 Nov 2012 08:08:54
Watched the game last night. Criminally lazy and gutless start but from 20 mins we sorted ourselves out and played the best football I've seen us play this year. Mostly in Spurs half with incision and chances created. I know our problems have been discussed at length but I just wanted to add that looking at the front 3 it's no wonder we don't score goals. Suarez is a maverick, always looking for his advantage. So he tends to think more about where he can be to profit if the defender messes up or the ball breaks out of the box. But the flip side is that he doesn't make the runs an out and out striker would make. This is fine if you have others who do because Suarez can then receive the ball when the defence is scrambled on a 2nd or 3rd attack phase. Sterling doesn't yet make strikers runs into the 6 yard box and across the defender but I am sure the coaching staff with be working with him on this if he is to continue in the front 3. This leaves Enrique, who is a defender and with a good proportion of our attacks coming down the left is involved in the build up. He does have an instinct to get in the right areas but not the finishing ability. Midfielders Gerrard (marked closely, not as quick and powerful as he was), Hendo( IMO his best spot in this team is deeper to keep play ticking), Shelvey does get in there.
No system, manager or owner will change this. We have had the same problem for 2 or 3 seasons now. It's players, coaching and transfers that will improve us.
Bring on Jan for a small step in the right direction.
Simon
Wot game was you watching!!
Don't agree we were never lazy or gutless that's just not true. (team selection was criminal ) we gifted them the first goal, most left backs playing in the Liverpool Sunday pub league would have cut out the 1st goal and before Spurs scored their deflected 2nd from a free kick that shouldn't have been, we had 2 gilt edge chances to equalise the 1st goal and never took them.
Downing at was the root cause of the defeat.
kidmillions
We weren't up to speed at all for the start of the game and should have been working harder as a team to earn the right to play football against a good Spurs side at their place. Downing knocked off for the first and he wasn't the only one not tracking runners. All that was lazy. I expect better home or away.
2nd goal the freekick went through the wall because players ducked and moved out of the way. That was gutless. Take one for the team if your in the wall - that's your job. I expect better. Blatant dive by Dempsey for the freekick though, wonder if he'll get a bad reputation?
Simon
29 Nov 2012 08:03:39
This season we have 16 points from 14 games and we are 12th in the league. Last season after 14 games we were 7th on 23 points and the season before that, under Roy Hodgson, we were 9th on 19 points.
No matter how you look at it we are worse off. Everyone, me included, couldn't wait to we got rid of Roy. The football was terrible, and the general feeling was that this was the worst we could ever be, he had to go.
So are we to accept that things are better now because we play a much better ˜brand' of football? Surely it is, and always will be, about results. Just because Rogers is good at using buzz words and talks about ˜the project' does that mean we're all fooled in to thinking we're making progress.
I'm not being negative, okay I am, but only because we've actually taking a step back. No one said we have to go backwards to eventually go forward. I mean, that is true sometimes in business or in your career. But the facts are that even under the terrible Hodgson that every single Liverpool supported wanted out, we have less points, and we're almost happy with that because of ˜the project' and that we pass it around a bit more this season.
It only makes sense that if you get rid of players that chipped in with goals “ Carroll, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi etc, and not replace them, you're not going to score as many goals.
The blame for that has to lie with Rogers, Ayre and co. I'm I the only one who lost complete faith in Ayre after watching the embarrassing ˜Being Liverpool'?
I did think we needed to get rid of most of those players, especially Carroll, but to not replace them appropriately is a bit silly¦I mean, spending 10 million on Borini is crazy, as is playing Downing at left back¦
Are we thinking things are going to be okay because we're definitely going to sign a striker in January? That's another 6 games away. On current form that could keep us in the second half of the table. Who would come? Are West Brom that much better than us? Is their squad that much better?
Could we conceivably finish in the bottom half of the table? Someone please tell me that won't happen, and not just because you don't want to believe it will, but with an actually real reason why it won't.
VR46
It wont happen! There you are!
"Feel better now!!"
kidmillions
I like Brenden and his ideas, I think he has a clear plan and it is taking shape but with the money we have we cannot expect to win on a regular basis with teams above us.
We will lose many more games this season and we will end up mid table, we might beat a top side but we will then lose to a side around us.
Until we have a much better squad our results will be erratic.
We are no longer a top side FACT, we are a mid table side FACT. Very sad but true.
I gave up on us being competitive about 6 months after FSG came in, all talk ...... not far short of our last overseas owners :-)
ITs time to get real
Ajax may have a reasonable team for 3.5M as some poster alluded too yesterday, maybe the team cost a little more?
(Don't get hung up on this point a million or two here or there is not relevant. And the fact they beat city is not that relevant either. Any team on any given day can beat any other team. Look st the shocks that occur in the FA cup).
What is relevant and has been proven time and time again is that the premier ship is a hard league, takes it toll on players (and fans too! and requires a big team not in size but in deepth & quality)
In the EPL you need money a never ending supply of money, yes managers will buy players that don't work out happens all the time but if your club is RICH enough its not a problem.
We just can compete with the elites of the EPL and we have to accept that for now.
Yes things can change but for now we are where we are.
Rodgers is not the answer have been saying it since day one and have been slated for it.
The brand of football played under KEnny was some of the best football we palyed in years not all the time granted but we were in the right vein. The team Kenny inherited was so depleted that 100M was not enough to re-build granted the players he bought dd not work out but that could happen to any manager, it happen to Fergie on numerous occasions of buying in players that were not up to scratch for UTD.
FSG have set us back years, they have no mgt. Structure and its hard to build without it even with the best manager in the world.
City are improving their mgt. Structure with each passing season and we are still plodding in the dark.
Chelsea and UTD. both have first class mgt. Structures.
FSG need to go back to the drawing board and start again or sell up.
Mgt. by proxy is not working.
Say what you like about Roman but he is always around for chelsea, sometimes meddling too much however you can't deny the sucess he has brought chelsea over the last 10 years.
Roman is passionate for chelsea and we need the same sort of Mgt. for liverpool, Henry is just not passionate enough, looking at a club as a business is a cold way of doing things football clubs a have a soul and are different entities than say running a cement company or an investment vechicle.
Let the Flaming begin!
Sour Puss
29 Nov 2012 07:45:24
Come on everyone lets be realistic the table doesn't lie and we are now at best a midtable side.
With the squad we now have no manager would do much better.
What manager could we attract with a shoe string budget that we have under FSG ...... answer BR, most probably why RM turned us down with Wigan having bigger ambitions.
Until we have money to compete with the top 6 we won't be going anywhere fast.
FSG are to blame IMO and people should lay off Rogers for now, it's not his fault we only have one goal scorer!
Rodgers is also to blame as he is a "yes" man for FSG
Grape Ape
The table constantly changes throught the Season.
kidmillions
29 Nov 2012 07:23:51
Hey Ed's , wanted to ask do use see FSG selling the club in the near future ? surely it would be in the best interest for both club and owners. {Ed002's Note - It would not be in the best interests of the owners from a finincial perspective. At this time, I am not going to speculate about when the club is sold.}
They are not going to invest millions and walk away. I'm sure the club is worth less now
This is the problem the owners have invested too much to sell up right now or for the foreseeable future.
We are stuck with FSG whether we like it or not.
Gape Ape
29 Nov 2012 07:19:06
Give me 5 reasons why we should keep Brendan Rodgers?
Why? And who are you?
Robbie
1st reason: Because his first name contains the letters "red"
Give me the name of 1 decent manager who is a free agent and can do better with the squad we have now.
cozinoz
Because were not Chelski
5 reasons to keep BR
1. We can afford another manager
2. What other manager would want to come to LFC at this time
3. We have hired and fired more managers than Chelsea in the last two years
4. Any new maanger would have to work on a shoe string budget with lefts face it with only 3 or 4 quality players in the team
5. The mangers have not been the problem FSG is the problem
I don't want Rodgers but sacking him is not the solution we have much bigger problems
Grape Ape
One word Rafa........
Dublad
29 Nov 2012 06:47:57
Hi Eds,
I have 2 Questions.
1) Is Jack Robinson not match fit ? Because only reason I see Downing playing in LB is because BR is impressed with Jose getting into good position in Final 3rd as well as his link up with Suarez. So Downing is merely filling up that position.
2) If Lucas comes back then can Gerrard be benched and given some rest?. He is clearly giving mediocre performance compared to standard he set for himself. To me giving away ball in dangerous positions and not tracking back is a sign enough that player needs to be benched.
Thanks,
Liverpudlian (India) {Ed002's Note - (1) I don't know what the situation is with Robinson at present. (2) I am not sure what changes to the starting 11 will be made once Lucas is ready.}
29 Nov 2012 06:41:01
Brendan Rogers please go home and stop your excuses game after game. The table doesn't lie.
I think BR borrowed Eddie Jordan's book of excuses
Boy can that Rodgers talk
Grape Ape
29 Nov 2012 05:29:59
Hi Eds, fellow supports...
After last night, its once again blatantly obvious that we need more quality. Henderson, as much as it saddens me to say this, is not LFC quality. I pray to God that he will be another LUcas and bloom later in his LFC carreer. Downing has to go, Cole needs to go. We desperatley need a goalscorer. Would be happy if we bought cheap proven players in the EPL. Would be over the moon if we get Sturridge and Wallcott.
I see improvements in every game though... In Brendan we trust! YNWA!
Really, All is see is, well its unprintable
29 Nov 2012 03:11:55
Well i am sure BR and all his backroom staff know we need a left back ,another dm in case of more injury to lucas a quality attacking midfielder and maybe 2 strikers just in case of injury to Suarez but at the moment he has got to use what he has until Jan ,i think he would of talked to owners about these problems so watch out for a big spend in January for a minimum of 3 players as i cant see what other choices the club has -SALLY-
29 Nov 2012 02:42:35
I wonder if FSG will leave our club before they put the final nails in the Stars and Stripes coffin it currently lies in.
In 2 years we haven't moved an inch on the ground front.
They have pretended to invest in players whilst funding all transaction with player sales and wage cuts.
They are now on to their 3 manager who simply wasn't ready for the job and will be hoisted out before he can deliver.
They are simply turning us into a massive cash cow so they can increase revenue and profits to maximise the value of the asset they picked up on the cheap.
They didn't pay off the debts they simply acquired an asset valued by Forbes at £450m from RBS who had assumed control of the club. Due to inability of previous owners to pay back borrowing.
I'm sick of hearing them blaming hicks and gillet for all things currently wrong at anfield. They had access to the accounts before they bought the club. They knew the size of the wage bill.
Huyton cabbie
Reality at last.
Boston Red
How do you imagine they are going to maximise the value of the asset if the are selling players, reducing wages and bringing in a manager who isn't up for the job. I'm afraid your business sense shows why you are not the owner of a football club.
solidair
Dude...i think u got some serious personal issues with the owners....i guess u forgot last year they spent 120 mil n in this window around 30mil...So what else u want...u just got mouth n no money n no business n football brains so please shutup n first observe whats goin on..n what u say we havent moved an inch i guess u r blind to see a small progress..so what u want overnight super team..then y dont u put ur money person..get realistic n start supporting ur team manager player n specially owners..u r barking on these guys basically they saved us from masaccare of gillet and hicks, when no1 was ready to buy...either keep up or shut up
Sorry mate you need to go back to if you think FSG spent 150m on transfers?? They haven't spent a penny of there personal money. Do the maths of players in and out plus wages saved and money income from sponsors ect.... Plus money received from prem league......
Get your facts right before defending them. {Ed002's Note - Why is it so difficult for people to grasp how much money the owners has pumped in to the club?}
You know the best way to increase revenue and profits? Get back in the Champions League. Lets hope they are just trying to increase revenue and profits, eh?
cozinoz
Ed002 I'm sorry I have to ask, why do you keep defending these owner's if they were at Chelsea the fans would go crazy.This is no attack on you by the way I always value your comments.
Eam {Ed002's Note - I am not sure why you are bringing Chelsea in to this - it is nothing to do with them. The Liverpool owners took the club on when times were tough, they removed the debt from the club, they invested heavily in players, they are dragging the club back to a firm financial footing whilst underwriting very significant losses. They are still with the club even following the abuse and threats aimed at them at the beginning of September.}
I'm sorry eds but we cannot pat FSG on the back for buying our club. It was a business decision from them in order to make money.
How they see the best way to earn money out of us they only know.
They bought us cheap and would be able to find a buyer to recoup the investment made.
They had no knowledge about us before they bought us which I think sums up the purchase.
As a fan I see no need to praise them as they haven't done anything for the club yet in terms of improving it.
Our club has value and they saw it with it global brand, the way they are going about keeping it that way is questionable.
{Ed002's Note - The value of the club as assessed in the summer pretty much matched the Deloitte's valuation - which is close to the amount of money they have invested in the club.}
Very well said Ed002...they fail to see the proper infrastructure of the business...what these people they say FSg sold more players than they bought...please get a reality check..maximum players were released for free.n trust me they were not worht even getting for free..n highest v sold was Aqua for 4mil...n look at the amount the owners paid for the buy of kenny...They think v r like PSG every window on spree...actually all that 120mil was a total loss for Fsg so any1 will be careful henceforth..people will just comment bcoz its not their money which is going its the owner who losses their money...so stop blaming fsg or brendon or players ..all u need is patience v r not any great but v are not any worse also...Red I Bleed {Ed002's Note - Aquilani went for a lot less than £4M when you consider the payment made to Roma and the money Liverpool paid to subsidise his wages.}
Unfortunately ed I can't see fgs as you do, you don't win the premiership by seaching the bargain bin .
We are now a selling club , we never needed to buy players that can't get on the teams there with now.
I'm afraid that if Liverpool don't do well soon we will have a change of manager which we don't need , in house fighting again it would be the death of the club.They knew the cost of running a club like Liverpool did they not? Player's leaving to win trophys elsewhere (Chelsea:).yes I agree they have controled our finacises but the game now is all about money and who has more.As for fans threating our owner's is a shame on the person and not all fans.January will tell a lot but I think myself I will be buying the black standard coruption lfc tops again soon.
Hope I'm wrong Eam {Ed002's Note - Liverpool were in the top ten net spending clubs world-wide this summer. It seems it is a sugar daddy that you crave. Kenny Huang? Thaksin Shinawatra?}
No ed not a suger daddy we are not Chelsea, man city,We need owners who back there manager with the players he needs (whoever that may be)if his wrong well we all know what happens. {Ed002's Note - So you don't think that FSG provided the funding for Dalglish's players? How gave the money for Rodgers to buy this past summer?}
29 Nov 2012 02:30:52
So where are all these quality new January signings going to come from then?
If Rodgers is to survive then he needs quality. Not players like Allen, Assaidi, Sahin or Borini. Not players like Sigurdson, Dempsey and Sturridge.
But there are 3 good reasons why we won't get any decent players in Jan.
1) we can't afford the transfer fee or wages.
2) we are struggling to get away from the relegation zone and not challenging where quality players want to challenge.
3) no-one sells decent players in Jan (2 exceptions - Suarez and Mascherano.)
So, Rodgers might last until Feb, but I wouldn't bet on it.
29 Nov 2012 01:18:51
I know we have continuously, over the last few years been asked to be patient with the progress of the team. We have continuously been reminded that we are a work in progress, but 3 wins in 14 league games is just not good enough!!
I do not blame Rodgers as he can only work with who he has got, although some decisions i do not agree with, i.e. Downing at left back, and the Henderson selection. But I think it is time for Rodgers and the owners to sit down and discuss who we can bring in to improve the club in the immediate future.
The owners will have to accept that we will not recoup much of the money spent on Downing, Henderson, Carroll or Cole and we should take what we can get for these players if not just to reduce the wage bill in order to bring in players who can make an immediate impact on the club.
We have bought enough 'future players' in Yesil, Suso, Assaidi, Borini, Pacheco, Wisdom, Wilson etc....Now lets bring in some quality!!
Walcott, Llorente, Jeffrén, Sturridge and Bent are just a few names that we have been linked with of late, and these should be the types of players we need to be looking at in order to improve the club NOW!
Red Lee, YNWA
29 Nov 2012 02:44:34
I would think that Rodgers has sat down and had many disscusions with the owners of late and the team have been and are working on bringing one or two in. I believe a few 'talks' with clubs and agents are in advanced stages and I believe 1,2 or 3 maybe brought in over January. I personally think that Daniel Sturridge will be one that will come. I know a lot on here seem to have this problem with him but I think the lads talented, just look at what he did at Bolton and for the most part when actually been given a chance at chelsea, and I think he will add to our team. People have gone on about his attitude and that but I think a lot of that has been to do with the way he's been treated at Chelsea where he's been promised one thing by one manager, has stayed and then completely shut out by another.
Walcott is another that I wouldn't be too surprised to see come January, or at least sign a pre-contract, but I would imagine that in reality Arsenal would want money for him now rather than nothing come the summer.
I'm not too sure on who a 3rd would be, although I have read that Tom Ince could be in advanced talks, again don't know how true that is.
IMO even if we got Walcott and Sturridge, who I know aren't everyones cup of tea but if people are honest would realise that they would really add something to our team. When you think we play with a forward 3 and we would then have Sturridge, Walcott, Suarez, Suso, Sterling, Borini, Assaidi, Morgan, Yesil and other younger ones coming through I think that we'd be in good nick for the rest of the season with more goal threats. Both Walcott and Sturridge can play both out wide and down the middle and I think we need that fluidity with the formation we play and they have pace in abundance. I know people say Sturridge is greedy blah blah blah but I think with a fresh start at us and with the talent he does have would certainly add to our fire power up front, hey maybe at times its a bit of greed in and around the box that we've needed at times this season (other than Suarez).
There maybe a loan (Jeffren?) or there maybe a complete surprise signing or two but Im pretty convinced that something will happen. I do also believe that the Huntelaars, Bonys and Eriksens etc etc have been looked at but it's not always easy to make these kind of signings in January but we will see what happens soon.
YNWA
dannyMAC
Jeffren the inconsistent, can't get a game Jeffren, No goals Jeffren. Bent!! This is obviously just dreamt up nonsense.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - To be clear, Liverpool has made an enquiry about taking Jeffren on loan.}
29 Nov 2012 01:16:29
Please please fsg if your reading this is what we need in January 1 Christian erickson 20 mil. . 2 theo Walcott. 10 mil. . 3 dries mertens 12 mil. Sell downing Carroll and Henderson for a combined 30 - 35 mil that's a net spend of 12 mil at most and we would have a team with real pace and cutting edge.our current team is not as bad as the table suggests.we have dominated in most games I have seen but just lacked that peice of quality in the final third.please post in banter eds cheers. Ps where has stevie g gone. REDMICK
If we got 35 mil for those 3 players I'd run round Anfield naked!! #Dreamer
Coily
I thought 17m was agreed with with wham for carroll?which only leaves 18m from downing and hendo. not that far-fetched if you ask me.
Is the deal with West Ham set that they will be buying him 100% or is it based on whether they decide to keep him.
If it's the latter, don't bank on the £17m from them for his services.
Only one goal from him and a third of the season gone.
Can't see them wanting to keep him
29 Nov 2012 00:52:26
If we can't break into the top six come April, Rodgers out. Transition is wonderful and that, but we really missed the bus on Rafa. Rodgers has made a few good moves (moving Enrique forward, making Raheem a first teamer and temporarily dropping Reina) but has had more than his share of bad (playing Wisdom in the first team too often, not playing Assaidi simply because he wasn't 'his' signing, sticking with Allen and playing Shelvey before Sahin.) This season, our opposition for 4th if probably in it's weakest state in years; a shame that we are not capable of capitalising. And about that run of being unbeatable; I would take 3 wins and 2 losses over six draws any day.
Reina picked up an injury, have you seen our record since Enrique moved forward? and Sterling had to start as we have nobody else. Thats not having a goat BR it's just the truth, he cant take credit for that. If Enrique was as good a defender as lots of here use to make out (all quiet now-maybe i'll use the search function for names) he would be playing as a bloddy defender.
Assaidi wasn't his signing? Explain? Who signed him then?
Young players reach their potential with age. manager is irrelevant
29 Nov 2012 00:38:22
Waro- got the team wrong again, still thinks gerrard is the best thing in the world, contradicts himself in every other post, then above it all, believes he knows more than the eds, and other supporters. Youre a clueless bigot. Hit a dictionary for that, as ive seen your spelling.
IMO
Reina - not good enough and should go back to spain.
Downing- wherever we can get 10m of an person willing to pay it.
Ill give henderson another year, but i wouldnt be starting him...
In the unlikely event that br reads this, i have a couple of points. If our first choice rb is injured (wisdom) you do not put downing into the back line, you simply take enrique and put him back, then play your assaidis or susos. Playing with the coward that downing is, its like playing with 10 players, in fact its worse, cause you just cant miss him out. Drop gerrard, for too long, and through 3 managers now, he has picked himself when he has not been good enough. He cant go on forever, even if he thinks that. Brad jones was excellent when he came in, and then hes just demoted to the bench again, must be gutting for him. theres alot i can go on about, im a huge br fan, but tonight, playing downing and henderson, i feel for the first time, br he**ed up, hopefully he rights his wrongs for the weekend.
Good work tonight eds, rapid posting, nice one.
Benny baller
Reina is a better keeper than Jones, no question. He made some brilliant saves at Swansea, and deserves his spot in the team. Jones is under no delusions, he is our back-up keeper.
With the likes of Downing & Hendo in the 1st XI. we are playing effectively 11 vs 9. we missed a trick not getting Diame. Hendo, Downing, Cole need to go. the sooner the better. they are useless
trini_red
29 Nov 2012 00:32:25
Despite fan negativity (which borders on the pathetic) I feel we are playing well - the only game I have seen us outplayed in this season was Arsenal at Anfield, we have been a the very least equal to every team played and better, particularly against more esteemed opponents. We are 3 quality players away from being really good though (i.e. pushing for those CL spots) - not sure what budget (if any) we'll have in january but we need a striker/poacher, that much seems obvious - I just hope it isn't Huntelaar, he is so slow, i don't think he has what it takes to hack it in English football, especially as he is approaching 30 now.
There are legitimate reasons why some fans are negative or moan. They/We don't complain and whinge for nothing.
If a club has so many fans complaining about the situation of a club, then the club must doing badly!
Just look at the table and most of our uninspiring perfomances this season.
We lack creativity, and the manager makes some baffling decisions regarding line-ups.
Alot of fans are not happy, so something is obviously not right.
When the day comes when we start playing nice attractive, attacking football again, go on a run of results and start competing for a top 4 spot again, then all the fans can rejoice in harmony again, and all we'll see is positive posts, but until then we are divided!
StrabaneRed
Fan negativity is realistic open your eyes do not pretend lfc are good look at who we beat in our 3 wins and look at the true picture no one has a magic wand but any one knows if you put garbage in you get garbage out. fsg need to think do they want the lfc of old who had great respect or their new lfc creation of rubbish , if they can not afford new players etc tell the fans do not mislead them i know it will be difficult but get the fans on your side and you have a better chance.
Sound well in that case take a look at the games we have drawn and lost and consider how much fortune we have not had - vs. Everton and Swansea 2 goals disallowed for offside incorrectly, that'd be 4 extra points. Vs United a red card for us (when both side should of been a player down) and then a non-penalty. Vs Spurs Dempsey dive for there second. Vs West Brom 1 Red Card (that never was) and 2 penalties (1 incredibly dubious that led to the red card). Vs Stoke Huth stamp on Suarez no card + continued infringements unpunished through out.
We have had terrible luck and awful decisions punctuating our season - if you focused on our performances you could see that, by the by, we have played well. I'm not saying everyone should rejoice at our form at the moment BUT all these calls for Rodgers out, everything is terrible, we are miles behind, etc etc are not based on the reality. We've been unlucky with injuries in key positions (Lucas + Borini), referees and have not scored enough - but we have been playing well.
29 Nov 2012 11:15:33
@StrabaneRed, Well Sherlock what would you do, which players would play? I thought so go support UTD!
Dave
29 Nov 2012 00:31:58
I don't think we should have been awarded a penalty. Neither were, for me. We must have another left back somewhere. Carra, if we're short on experience? It's not as if Downing offers much going forward.
We didn't do too badly and the biggest positive was Bale getting the ball flush in the chops.
Rigsby.
Mite improve his looks
29 Nov 2012 00:25:43
Who,s this og your second highest scorer
29 Nov 2012 00:09:34
Evening everyone.
I don't know how to explain how I feel right now as I've been at work all evening and thought I would just watch MOTD to see how we got on, wow, now I'm pissed off! It's sooo gutting it hurts. Which brings me on here. I've been reading today posts. I must have agreed to 50 comments regarding our performance. It's great, we are playing much better than most teams, just not finishing. I hope we get some back up up front come January as it clearly shows we need it. And to those who don't like downing, I agree he is playing poor but, he isn't a LB! His position is winger. Left or right I don't mind, just not LB. Right mid/wing is his best position by far so why not play him there. How can we get through to BR to tell him? Anyway, fingers crossed we put it behind us and take 3pts on the wkend, and so on till 1/1/2013 till we can nab a few striking options!
Cheers, Jim
Downing aint a footballer mate
29 Nov 2012 00:09:06
Y'all are just cry babies..this is the best we have played at. White hart lane in 4yrs..I really don't know where u expect liverpool to finish....we are not top 4 quality stop dreaming we are a midtable team like stoke..the sooner you realize that the better..spurs played for only 20mins,it was all liverpool till the end..but rodgers should try selecting our best team next time..downing and henderson caused the goals...as for reina arsenal needs you more..and phil dowd I didn't know you also hate liverpool..even webb would have given us the pen
Phil Dowd was the best referee to us last year! This year we've lost five game's out of six played that he's officiated! But i think there is an agenda by the FA not to give LFC anything especially Luis Suarez!
28 Nov 2012 23:58:18
I though today we have played well in the second half, not sure why so called fans keep complaining its getting boring same old stories sack the manager we need to buy messi and Ronaldo, grow up!!
I though today's game reflect our season not so good in the first half of the season because of lack of a finisher but we do sign a goal scorer as long as he know were the goal is I wouldn't care less if he is known or unknown will start winning again and we will shoot up that prem table, so the best thing is support your team as much as you can and complain as little as possible until after January windows shut, enjoy the ride LFC fans Its going to be exciting ;)
28 Nov 2012 23:57:32
Having Lucas back will be revolutionary. Subsequently I think we'll see a different Allen who will have more freedom.
Downing, is simply not good enough at left back.
Until Lucas is back, I feel Shelvey should get the call up ahead of Henderson.
We are crying out for a finisher, spend wisely in January Brendan.
And lastly, PLAY SUSO!
Cheers
ToonRed