Liverpool Banter Archive June 29 2017

 

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29 Jun 2017 22:31:28
Right then lads, it's story time. It's Thursday night and there is a pizza in the oven, I got 10 minutes to kill approx and a recent subject has come up that does irritate me so I wish to vent and see what other fans think. These days I completely seperate myself from the financial side, money is absolutely crazy so if we overspend, I don't care, not my money. I just enjoy the football. It so happens that my first ever shiny football card was big Sami, how was I to know that he played for the best club in the world. Liverpool chose me and I love to watch them.

Now the recent discussion of Suso has brought back all the annyoing things that I used to let get to me in this one particular area of Liverpool FC. That is youth recruitment. Jordi Brauer, Damien Plessis, Nabil El Zhar, Pacheco, Nemeth, Kristoffer Peterson, Adorjan, Gerardo Alfredo Bruna Blanco; the "Messi of Madrid" just of the top of my head. Now, I have no doubt that whoever made the decisions on bringing these players in thought that the were genuinely special talents with a significant chance of serving the club with distinction. For one reason or another, these players did not make it at Liverpool. Now take the case of Suso. 16 years old the boy comes to Liverpool to play football, immediately in his young age it is clear to see his talent, more ability than any of his peers in the u18s. He worked his way up and we were patient, he got his chance and he looked calm, fearless, he didn't get his head down if something didn't come of. He was a very decent squad option and went on to have a succesful loan at Almeria. Now maybe he decided he wanted to leave because he didn't want to keep waiting on the first team chances and could have been more patient, I am not privy to that situation. The point here is this; even Suso didn't make it for us. We had never bought in a player for the youth team who looked the part as much as Suso did, and he didn't make it. I haven't forgotten Sterling, even though he too was brilliant for the u18s even at 15, pace is such a huge factor for him, and let's be honest he was important to our squad but he really only had about 20 odd good games for us. That's by the by, we go to the trouble to bring in all these foreign kids at a very young age and for what? Nothing. Not even profit. All this investment into signing 16 year olds for the future, and none of them are now in our squad. What is the definition of madness? WHAT IS THE POINT IN US SIGNING THESE KIDS, IT NEVER WORKS FOR US. The ONLY reason we should sign a player is if they immediately improve the team. Even Solanke, I like him, he looks good and hopefully he doesn't follow the same path as previously mentioned. Another one Chirivela, when I first saw him once again, he is out of place in youth football. Well he won't get a chance for us now, he is too far down the order. Another exceptionally talented lad joins and will go down as a failure.

Well that is what bothers me guys, why do we bother at all going to the trouble of bringing these players in. For me it is absolutely futile and a foolish waste of money. I cannot stress it enough it LITERALLY NEVER works for us. It's Lunacy. Does this bother anyone nearly as much as it does myself?

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29 Jun 2017 23:47:06
To make a slight alteration to your statement it literally 'hasn't' happened.

Every club looks to hoover up young talent in the hope that they get the one that turns out to be world class and it is basically hope, it's almost impossible to know how good a teenager will end up being.

This means there are hundreds of kids who are regarded as the next big thing but only a small handful are actually that good and it's luck of the draw that your team nabs one.

Liverpool will keep searching for the next Messi because it doesn't cost very much and if we do ever find him he'll pay for the academy and scouts many times over.


29 Jun 2017 23:31:24
It goes back to the way the club as a whole is mismanaged.
The best young players have to have a route to playing for the first team. I tell you this, Gerrard, Fowler, McManaman and Owen all had a route to the first team planned out for them. If they had been youth players now for us, they may not have made it.
The managers and owners would rather see us blow tens of millions on a 26yr old and get 3 good years out of him than wait for a Gerrard to come through and give us 15yrs of world class. They're idiots.


29 Jun 2017 23:36:42
Every transfer has an element of risk involved. be it first team or youth level. You can't just not bother signing players in case they don't work. majority of young players we have sold or released or whatever have unfortunately not come to anything. There is the odd few that have ie san Jose but some players aren't cut out for English football and thrive in a different environment. Just how it is. no it doesn't bother me. i think as a club it would be nice to be a bit more patient with players but that applies to majority of top clubs. like them all we are impatient in waiting for the next Gerrard or whatever. they don't come along very often and if they don't make the grade by a certain age they are out the door.


30 Jun 2017 00:43:39
If they where youth players now Ron id loan out Owen.


30 Jun 2017 00:57:51
I have a younger brother, who was once played football during his youth. He had a trial, and after that was chosen to join an academy or a football school or something like that.

The coach once came to my father and told him that my brother was an exceptional talent. The coach even went as far as saying that he haven't seen such a talent for a very long time, and that the skills my brother possessed were so good that he even regarded my brother as far superior talented than most of the current pro footballers in the country.

However, he also said that my brother was very hard to coach. He turned up for training early, yes, and didn't miss any of the training. Only that he was very stubborn to follow instructions, and tend to play on his own rather than following the instructions and strategy the coach had in mind during games and such. The coach is a popular figure in my country still when it comes to football.

So, my brother failed. He wasn't selected or signed for the next stage or level of the academy/ school. He returned to his normal school, continued playing football with friends during weekends, and that was it. Now, 15 years have passed, he is not playing at all not even futsal.

I am not sure if this case is relevant to the discussion. I felt that, as much as we might see such talent or potential in a player, in kids, there are loads more to be considered than just that. Disciplinary issues, I think one of the Eds did share previously on some of LFC youngsters such as Robinson, but maybe there were some others as well, like the case of my brother.


{Ed001's Note - I think your coach should be nowhere near kids football, if that is how he thinks. Terrible work on his part and he is the one that failed your brother.}

30 Jun 2017 01:10:20
Brilliant post great read. It seems instant success and the inpatients of fans is partly to blame. We only have to look at karius situation to know that youngsters will not be given the right time to develop In the first team. Although klopp has played a few youngsters in his rein none have really played themselves into the team or been given enough time with the first team.

Liverpool is so badly mismanaged from the grass roots to the top . We have spent astronomical amounts of money on players and at times bang average players have stalled the growth of our youngsters. Our fans are to blame partly as we are quick to turn on them or at least let them know they are playing bad. To manage their development properly we will need to maybe change a lot an identify similar loan clubs to ensure our players get experience away from the trolls . Suso was a silky player who had something special but he needed game time even 20 mins a game would have helped him. brannagan is another who has disappeared from the opportunity to make it as a decent player.

I see us doing more damage to the youth with even more signings and awful loans . I love lfc and klopp but this summer has highlighted some pathetic practices with regards to our youth ban and vvd . Our instant success formulae is a joke we have failed to win the epl and we have one of the highest wage bills and spent loads.


{Ed001's Note - you only have to look at how people want rid of Origi to see how impatient so many fans are.}

30 Jun 2017 02:37:03
Its not just about the talent they possess its more to do with their mentality. I could name many young players who had all the talent in the world but not the mental focus to fulfil their talent.


30 Jun 2017 02:57:09
It's not only liverpool who are struggling to bring youth. In fact all top clubs are struggling coz football has massively changed since the days of Owen fowler etc.

Footy atm is a big big business with so much stake on line, even Barcelona who had 1 of the best academy in world football are looking to buy world class players every windows.

Coz the likes of United Chelsea Barcelona bayern Madrid etc are not going throw their status brand fame achievements etc which has taken them years to build, in order to wait for youngsters. Once your at the top you need continuity to stay there. Once you fall from elite bracket it's very very difficult to climb back.


30 Jun 2017 07:49:00
I'm sorry about what happened to your brother and indeed, his coach failed him as he could have still made the effort to actually help your brother improve.

There is no patience in football anymore and many of our fans want to have their cake and eat it too. They say we should give youngsters a chance. Yet when that happens and the youngster is not Messi right out of the gate, they say he should be gone and back to the reserves. Just see what happened to Karius after he made two mistakes or how a good no. of our fans want Origi sold in spite of his immense talent, just cos he's not Harry Kane. Our club may be mismanaged BUT our fans are the problem as well.

Kopite, you are correct but I disagree that big clubs don't give youth a chance. Bayern and Real regardless of their might, have two of the best academies in Europe. Players like Can, Kimmich, Alaba are from the Bayern academy while players like Mariano Diaz (who we wanted to sign in Jan) and Dani Carjaval are from the Real academy. There's a lot more players where that came from. Do not be fooled by this idea that they don't give youth a chance. They do BUT it is I agree, few and far between.


30 Jun 2017 08:05:51
There are plenty of clubs that produce top level talent consistently, the Ajax system has been pretty good at this for decades, usually these types of clubs have the right kind of staff at all levels through the club with a clear philosophy with regards to development, Liverpool have definitely failed in this department in the last few years.


30 Jun 2017 08:32:44
I think Gerard et al would be fine if they came through the ranks now, they were so good that a place was found for them. That's why Carragher played all across the back line and why Gerrard started out at right back, they had to be included. it's not about recent youth players being mismanaged, they're just not as good as the ones that did make it.


{Ed001's Note - that is not true, Carra played at full back positions because we were, as we are now, short of decent full backs at the time. Gerrard might well make it, but I doubt it if we had the quality in the team at the time. They got in the team because our team was weak, rather than because they were outstanding. Similar to how Woodburn got his shot because we lacked quality in his position to choose from. They stayed in because of their quality, rather than got in because of it.}

30 Jun 2017 09:56:27
Ed, I see it as two sides of the same coin, we had weak players in those positions by the young guys still needed to be ready and good enough to do the job. I'm not sure that can be said about the recent crop.


{Ed001's Note - I think you are misremembering, as Carragher, in particular, was the subject of a fair amount of criticism (bordering on abuse) in his early years. It was only when he became a regular at centre back that he was seen as good enough. Until then he merely filled in when we were short and kept his place more for his attitude than his ability.}

30 Jun 2017 13:16:19
I think Marcus Rashford is a good modern day example. He got his chance due to injuries and Wilson being on loan and he took it. I highly doubt we would know who Rashford is unless that happened. He showed his class whilst on the pitch and they kept with him. Only seems to be a few managers like Poch who are willing to take risks for rewards over youth players, regardless of injuries/ squad depth etc. Real shame.


{Ed001's Note - it must be remembered that Rashford would not have got his shot but for Ashley Fletcher being unable to play too. So it took an injury crisis and another youth player to miss out for him to get a chance.}

29 Jun 2017 22:15:20
I have to say I have huge respect for Salif Diao's academy in Dakar. He seems like a very intelligent, caring professional and his passion to give back to a community which once had so little is truly admirable.

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30 Jun 2017 02:38:21
Salif actually drove a 2 seater original Smart car when he played for us.


{Ed001's Note - I always liked him as he would stop and chat if you met him. Not many players do that.}

30 Jun 2017 08:12:38
A lot of Senegalese players (current or retired) have academies in their home country or do a heck of a lot in their various communities. Players like Ferdinand Coly, Khalilou Fadiga, Salif Diao, and even Demba Ba and our own Sadio Mane are doing great work there. So do Patrick Vieira and Akon. As for El-hadj Diouf? No comment.


29 Jun 2017 21:30:53
Nathan Ake going for £20m to Bournemouth. How are we not in for this lad. Pure class.

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{Ed025's Note - i like him as well natural..

29 Jun 2017 21:36:21
Nickname - Purple.


{Ed025's Note - now theres a name from the past ron, luckily i never had the muscles to attract him.. :)

29 Jun 2017 22:33:12
Is excellent at left back and can competently play centre back or defensive midfield.


30 Jun 2017 01:04:04
Its okay lads, we'll wait until he is worth 60 million and then make a bid:)


29 Jun 2017 22:18:30
I'm surprised myself that Chelsea are allowing him to go unless there's something going on behind the scenes.


29 Jun 2017 21:25:19
With us being short of quality in the centre back position and Steven Caulker being told to look for another club would this not be the perfect time for us to snap him up on the cheap.

Perfect project for Klopp to turn him into world class centre back. Not only that but I feel he is has as much quality as a striker should we be looking for a late goal. His versatility could be invaluable with the extra games this season.

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29 Jun 2017 21:47:57
The man has admitted to having gambling and drinking problems and my heart goes out to him. Your post is embarrassing.


29 Jun 2017 22:30:33
I think the post is meant as a joke but I can't tell for sure.


29 Jun 2017 22:33:10
Just sarcastic banter boys, don't be so damn sensitive. Besides Caulker is a legend for the Norwich game.


29 Jun 2017 17:06:09
Hi Eds 002 your a cosmopolitan man and have lived extensively in the states. I wanted your opinion on something. I'm currently house-sitting in Aspen what do you make of the social and cultural scene here?

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{Ed002's Note - I never inhale there.} I actually fing CO pretty cool.}

29 Jun 2017 20:54:00
I'm currently house-sitting in Williams Lake, BC, Canada. Home of the famous 'stampede'. Ever been here ed02? Any tips?


{Ed002's Note - No - my time in Canada is limited to Vancouver, Toronto (Trana) and Montreal.}

29 Jun 2017 21:09:51
Not Lpool related but 'housesitting'! Is that a job?


29 Jun 2017 21:18:27
I live in Colorado, Fort Collins to be exact. It is a beautiful and cool state with many perks ;) my wife even somewhat likes it here which says a lot since she is from Europe and is not a fan of others places we lived in.


29 Jun 2017 21:36:35
Yes because the house belongs to Eds 001.


29 Jun 2017 22:31:42
Laddie Bunton, please take your question to the housesitting page;)


30 Jun 2017 00:10:33
Ed002 I'm an expat currently residing in Canada and living in Tronno. Lol!


30 Jun 2017 09:05:32
Ed002 I'd love to have a beer with you the next time your in Vancouver. If your up for it that is.


{Ed002's Note - Sure.}

29 Jun 2017 18:12:41
What happened to the podcast pt2, a promise is a promise edward1.

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{Ed001's Note - ohhhh I had forgotten. Benny?}

29 Jun 2017 16:06:48
Reflecting on the Suso post below (if indeed this is posted to Banter! ), Ed001 is implying, quite rightly, that we hampered his development and may, ultimately, have led to him not fulfilling his potential.

Leave aside those talents who self destructed through their own ill-discipline, injuries or lack of application, what other young players, not just ours, had their development hampered, permanently or at least significantly, by not being treated right by their 'parent clubs'?

I can think of plenty who DID make it because their clubs let them go too early - Pique (Man Utd) and Fabregas (Barca) spring to mind, as well as our own PipCo.

But I'd be fascinated to hear of those talents that fell by the wayside through mismanagement, from people like the Eds who are much closer to the game than me.

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{Ed001's Note - Pique and Fabregas were not let go too early, it is a difference in law that allowed English clubs to swoop in for them. In England you can sign a professional contract at the age of 17, in Spain you have to be 18. They left Barca for an extra year's earnings.}

29 Jun 2017 16:41:20
Aha, didn't know that. Thanks Ed. Any players you can think of in the same boat as Suso?


{Ed001's Note - go through the youth teams of Premier League teams over the last few years and you will get a long list of names of youngsters that have been stifled.}

29 Jun 2017 19:19:41
Your all at fault for demanding success.

A young player before he even gets on the bench is the next gerrard.

We can't handle one loss or one bad bit of form. A player has 2 or 3 bad games and its curtains.

You all want success in the league abd its just not as much of a chance if your full of inexperienced young players.

Also though its been driven out of our culture. The owners of the football clubs are not longer interested in our young players but more the abilty to have a successful franchise. If the coaches where encouraged from above and directed away from say signing a klavan and told to use gonez or signing a markovic instead of using ibe then maybe we would see some improvments.

The way it is only the super talented will get through.

Even someone who did everyrhing possible in rashford is about to be replaced by morata. Why are the owners not saying right we want rashford up top were not signing morata, he's only more experienced because he has been allowed to play.

Players like lemar, mbappe, fabinho, bakayogo, silva, sidibe where all jist taken a chance on. Tbey where good players but allowrd to play.

Kane, ali, rose, walker, mason, bentaleb, shaw, chambers etc where all played by poch. Now look at most of them.


29 Jun 2017 19:24:17
I disagree with Ed. LFC did not stifle Suso, at the time he left he was not good enough. It was his wish to leave as he wanted a first team place he was not ready for. Obviously he has come out of his shell since leaving but it did not happen instantly.


29 Jun 2017 19:29:30
How can you make a comment like that about young players being stifled. Just because they do not make the grade does not mean they have been stifled. Most young players stop improving somewhere in their teens. Sometimes it is due to physical development, sometimes they lack the mental strength to push on and other times they just lack the appetite. The vast majority of young players at clubs are given the opportunity to develop, obviously it is in the clubs interest this to happen.


{Ed001's Note - I worry about anyoen without the sense to understand the stifle comment. Pointless discussing it with you if you are so clueless that you think players stop developing in their teens! Try learning something before typing, as you are looking a fool right now with that idiotic comment! It is simply not even close to being true and shows incredible ignorance of the reality of human development.}

29 Jun 2017 22:32:08
What I'm not understanding is how we stifled him, at 18 he was given good exposure with the first team, at 19 he got a good loan that that saw him play regularly in la liga. He's arguably had a much better introduction to top flight football than any of our current crop of youth players and he's now playing at a high level. Seems to me his development was well managed.


{Ed001's Note - because he was constantly lied to, at 18 he could have had a good loan, but was told he would be a regular in our team. When he came back off his loan, he was again given the promise that if he stayed he would be given regular starts. Again never happened. He would play well enough for a large number of fans to get excited by him and then not be seen again for months, how is that not stifling him? If a young player comes in and shines, then doesn't get seen again for months, that is stifling them. You are not rewarding them for playing well, so they are not gaining by the experience of playing in the first team. In fact they are learning the wrong things, as they are learning that a good game does not get you more games.}

30 Jun 2017 01:09:05
There are loads of players who develop later after dropping down the leagues.

Look at Vardy for an example plus there is many, many more in every country.

Managers today will usually opt to bring in a 26 year old finished product and try to get 3-4 good years out of him, The managers job depends on results and many see young lads as a risk too far.

David Gold mentioned earlier that West Ham could no longer been known as the academy of football for the above reason .
Out of the 1 million hours of football played last season, less than 6000 were played by teenagers.

That tells its own story.


30 Jun 2017 03:15:52
Selling Coutinho was Inter's recent mistake as they said. After some years we will say the same thing about Suso!


29 Jun 2017 14:52:50
eds, what do you make of susos progress as a player in the last couple of years. I think it was one of the biggest mistakes in recent years letting him go. Do you think he could become one of the best attacking players in the premier league if he was to come back?

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{Ed001's Note - impossible to say, but he always looked to have a decent level of ability before we let him go. We did hinder him to a significant degree, so it might be too late for him but you never know.}

30 Jun 2017 00:11:10
I still don't understand why we didn't give him his shot that time that Coutinho got injured a couple of years ago and we were crying out for someone creative to step in. would have been the perfect replacement.


30 Jun 2017 02:28:52
Such a shame. I had high hopes for the lad as I do now for ojo. Really hope Ojo is given that chance suso never got.


29 Jun 2017 14:40:45
Hi ed01 would love your opinion on why we seem to price our unwanted players out of moves when we want rid of them . Am talking bout the likes of moreno sakho markovic who we don't want but in Moreno's case we want more for him than we will be willing to pay for his replacement Robertson. It makes no sense to me other than we seem to think we can bully clubs like Leipzig and saints into buying on our terms. In my view they are dead right looking for top dollar for keita and vvd as they are the best players at these clubs. I would expect no different if someone wanted couts or firmino but not our unwanted. We are messing up careers by sending them on stop off tours of Europe evry summer. If we want our targets pay the money or move on. Also lots of reports surfacing about Robertson but are we just settling for him as surely we could have had this negotiated already out of all our targets I would assume he would have been sorted quickly or have we offered a ridiculous low bid as usual.

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{Ed001's Note - because we are a poorly run club still recovering from a lengthy period of mismanagement.}

29 Jun 2017 15:29:10
Is wanting the best price for players which are essentially club assets a bad thing? It would be shrewd business to try and recoup as much money for them as possible regardless of whether they are considered part of the future of the club.


{Ed001's Note - if we got the best price, it would, but we don't, so it is not.}

29 Jun 2017 15:45:05
Get rid take what we can and move on.


29 Jun 2017 21:43:42
I thought we did quite well last year with sales. Are we pricing players out of moves this year or just biding a little time. The window isn't even open.


29 Jun 2017 14:02:09
Ed, your opinion on momo sissoko please, when he was at liverpool I found him a tad frustrating on the ball, now looking back at his games he looks pretty awesome.

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{Ed001's Note - I loved him myself, he improved so much until his eye injury, he was able to slot in perfectly to a midfield which was outstanding. He had to be top class to stand a chance of a place in that midfield, yet he was a regular. He is the type of midfielder we are missing now.}

29 Jun 2017 14:10:44
I agree getting a place in that midfield was an achievement on its own. I think at that point my footballing brain wasnt mature enough to appreciate his work, he is exactly what we need in our current midfield.


{Ed001's Note - what he did best is very difficult to appreciate, it never really shows up well on MOTD or the like.}

29 Jun 2017 14:22:46
I agree, thanks for the reply ed!


{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

29 Jun 2017 15:00:03
Totally agree with you Waqas and Ed001. Great pity with that freak injury. He seemed to have a great attitude and work rate mixed with good ability.


29 Jun 2017 15:35:25
Loved Momo and was gutted Rafa sold him to Juve as he was much better than Masche. Top player, IMO.


29 Jun 2017 17:15:52
His eye injury seriously hampered him. Such a huge shame.


29 Jun 2017 19:51:43
A quick note. 2006-07 season was when we had the best midfield in world:) . And I'll stand by that.


29 Jun 2017 21:55:38
Great song too.


30 Jun 2017 17:51:40
Was it Rafa's fault for every departure of players under H&G running of lfc?


29 Jun 2017 13:52:18
If everyone could pick one player to join our squad this year who would it be mine would be vidal. Midfield of vidal Henderson an can would be amazing remember only fun.

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29 Jun 2017 14:27:13
David De Gea for me. He has been uniteds best player for the last 3 or 4 years now and he has saved them so many points. Very rarely makes mistakes with his hands or with his distribution either. our attack is as good as anyone elses in the league and i think we have a good enough midfield too. Thought migs was decent the second half of the season but you see some of the saves de gea makes in the big games and u just think how the hell did he keep that out.


29 Jun 2017 14:40:57
They were similar except someone dropped Henderson deeper. Naby Kieta hands down alongside Coutinho in the midfield.


29 Jun 2017 15:13:41
Have to go for a defender. Varane perhaps. Or a left back, Mendy probably.


29 Jun 2017 15:31:13
Alan Kennedy.


29 Jun 2017 16:23:09
Leonardo Bonucci, in my opinion the best centre back in the world currently.


29 Jun 2017 17:16:41
Donnaruma or Koulibaly.


30 Jun 2017 02:31:07
Sanchez.


29 Jun 2017 13:23:12
Newcastle's loan bid for Ojo rejected and Klopp says he won't be leaving this summer. Very good news for me as I do think he and Wilson will be very useful as backup for Salah and Mane.

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29 Jun 2017 13:58:51
It's a tough call for me, if he was guaranteed regular game time at Newcastle in front of 50k geordies you would think and hope that would benefit his development more than playing for our U23's and odd cup game for the 1st team.


29 Jun 2017 13:59:03
Poor decision in my eyes, give the lad some game time which in reality, aside from the cups, he isn't going to get much of with us this year.


29 Jun 2017 14:41:42
Poor decision. Ojo should go for the sake of his own career. He was not looked at by Klopp last season with Mane away.


29 Jun 2017 16:57:33
I understand Ojo was struggling with full fitness after his back injury. Think Ed 01 passed this on?


{Ed001's Note - yes he is only really now getting back to full fitness.}

29 Jun 2017 21:50:12
Great. his injuries were the only reason he was not involved. Klopp gave Woodburn opportunities and ojo is further along in his development. It is pretty obvious he likes ojobs also. Stronger and more suited to slot into the premier league too regardless of age. He is the perfect player to have as backup and to keep and develop one on one, and by training with our couches and top quality player every day.


30 Jun 2017 10:00:48
I really think he could be useful. After mane and Salah have left skid marks all over the opposition's fullbacks it'll be good to have fresh legs to come on and make them suffer more. With a proper full season under his belt he will compete with Wilson for minutes in the first team and I have a feeling he'll win that competition. many have complained about him not being given a chance, but it's true he was not fit. Next season he will get his chance.


29 Jun 2017 13:17:15
Eds, first time post here. With the clubs ongoing search for a left back I wondered if Klopp would consider checking Gomez's fitness and ability during pre-season. I thought he did really well during his first season with us until he got injured and we did use him on the left side of a back three so to speak. He's deceptively quick, strong, tall for a left back and good on the ball.

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{Ed001's Note - he is not a left back.}

29 Jun 2017 21:52:04
True ed but it's not that unlikely gomez could be kept as back up with the view he can comfortably play at left back as well as cb.


{Ed001's Note - he was never comfortable at left back, he struggled once clubs had a chance to take a look at him playing there and spot weaknesses.}

29 Jun 2017 12:47:06
If Gomez and Ojo are leaving on loan to return better players fine, but if this is the start of us pushing them out the door I'll be fuming.

Klavern is utter garbage, why we signed him and didn't give the opportunities to Gomes I'll never know.

On ojo how are these promising youth kids ever going to become their hype if they don't get opportunities.

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29 Jun 2017 13:53:08
I think a loan move is smart for gomez and ojo.
Gomez needs first team football because of all the injurys he had in the past few years and if we buy another CB as expected he won't get that much first team football at Liverpool.

Ojo looks really promissing and i think a loan move to a bottom table team or even a championship team can exelerate his development.


29 Jun 2017 13:56:12
I agree on Gomez. There were games given to Klavan and Lucas I would've rather given to Gomez.

However Ojo made his own bed mate. He has been usurped by Woodburn. Same as Brannagan has been usurped by Ejaria, and Flanagan has been usurped by Arnold.

Better players coming through should be given the games. If Klopp had refused to use Ojo to shoe horn Milner up top then I would've been annoyed but he didn't. He gave the games to another youth player so it isn't really something worth moaning about.

That is what annoyed me about Gomez. The fact he missed out on game time for players with no long term future here, who aren't better short term either.


29 Jun 2017 14:02:30
I don't think anyone will be pushed out the door. If they go out on loan and prove themselves then they will stay however if they go out on loan and are poor, would you still be fuming if they were sold? No point being sentimental and everyone at Liverpool should prove their worth.


29 Jun 2017 14:05:59
Not strictly true or fair on Ojo there MK. He's been plagued with some pretty rotten injuries including one that was potentially career ending. So to say he made his own bed is a very unfair and wholly unreasonable comment.


29 Jun 2017 16:24:15
Fair comment Hansen, I read it back and it came out way too harsh.

All I meant to say is that Ojo hasn't been left out due to youth not getting a chance, but because another youth player has been better. His injuries haven't helped though, you are correct. The same could be said of Flanagan though and nobody seems to give him any let offs. Ojo for me hasn't really kicked on for about 2 years. I want to see more from him before I start demanding he get regular cameos. Otherwise I'd prefer Woodburn get the sub appearances.


29 Jun 2017 21:56:03
Mk it was extremely harsh. Ojo is better than Woodburn. Don't get me wrong Woodburn excites me too, but ojo has pace and power and strength right now. He is more ready for the first team. If he had been fit he would certainly have been used more, especially in manes absence.


30 Jun 2017 17:45:13
Ojo is moving to Newcastle.


29 Jun 2017 12:27:26
Thanks for the reply i have a question for u ed01 do u pass your targets within the club or they take consideration to your choices as well u ever met with klopp and discuss about targets
Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - no, no and no.}

29 Jun 2017 13:31:28
Why not? :-P.


{Ed001's Note - because I ask them for information, rather than give them information. As for Klopp, I think he is just too awestruck to meet me.... or something like that anyway...}

29 Jun 2017 13:44:31
Thank god. We'd have a statue of Medel outside if they listened to Ed001 😉.


{Ed001's Note - it would be a very nice statue though, not like that Ronaldo one or the Michael Jackson one that Fulham used to have.}

29 Jun 2017 12:20:22
For any LFC fans in Australia i was quite surprised to see they did a 10 minute piece on 'the project' about justice for the 96 this evening. you can watch on catch up tv if interested.

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29 Jun 2017 12:11:09
Ed01 i wanna know who u think we will get if gomez as u say probably going out on loan except u still also believe that we will sign VVD not your choice i know but do u think it will be done
Thanks for your hardwork and information u provide us.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, like I have said, there is still a significant portion of people within the club that believe VVD will still sign.}

29 Jun 2017 12:48:47
If we get vvd I hope we get a proper lb to play next to him and not a make do thinking he can do it all by himself.


29 Jun 2017 12:35:09
We're willing to pay, vvd wants to leave and Southampton aren't going to keep an unhappy player. A compromise will happen imo.


29 Jun 2017 14:07:26
We should forget vvd and go sign nathan ake. save 40+ million.


29 Jun 2017 11:37:51
Can anyone tell me what happened with the interest in Luan from gremio? Wouldn't mind adding another Brazilian counterpart.

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{Ed002's Note - The transfer window has yet to open.}

29 Jun 2017 13:55:07
Didnt some reports say a few weeks back that he wants to sign a new contract?


29 Jun 2017 12:45:23
I understand that ed just went quiet haven't heard anything in a while.


28 Jun 2017 16:27:41
This is potentially a question for Ed02, but open to anyone who has knowledge on the MLB stateside. Has the Red Sox been involved in scandals since John W Henry took over? I was just wondering why and how LFC became so underhanded when it comes to player recruitment.

Secondly, if you are Michael Edwards or Peter Moore, what can be done to fix our relationship with Fulham, Arsenal, and now Southampton along with possibly a larger list of clubs that hates us?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of issues at the RS. Issues at Liverpool wth respect to other clubs goes well beyond what people are aware of. Under the current owns LFC will never be involved in the discussions the elite sides have together - the next meeting of which is in August. However, I am not aware of issues with Arsenal.}

29 Jun 2017 12:57:12
curiosity pricked ed 002.Were we part off it before and if so why not now under fsg.


{Ed002's Note - G14 yes, not since and never to be under these owners. Not a chance.}

29 Jun 2017 17:38:15
Could you elaborate slightly on some of the reasons fir this Ed? Is it due to how they operate or much more?

Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - I think it has been done to death in the past.}

28 Jun 2017 17:30:12
Is Manola available? Does Liverpool hold interest?

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{Ed002's Note - He is moving this summer and Liverpool has not shown an interet.}

29 Jun 2017 11:31:08
I love his shoes.


29 Jun 2017 11:06:50
Ed001

Just weighing up our Striker situation mate. Am I about right on thinking its Firmino prefered starter with Studge and Divock battling for a place on the bench and Ings possible loan out?

We don't need another one in imo.

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{Ed001's Note - something like that.}

29 Jun 2017 11:19:52
I could see one of Sturridge / Ings leaving permanently end of this window!


29 Jun 2017 10:08:42
Is it me or are liverpool messing up another transfer window again and not getting the players in . a left back. left winger. centre back. i was amazed liverpool keeping lovren and klavan and getting rid of sakho and gomez on loan. i would play him in cup games.

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29 Jun 2017 10:24:26
Deano give it time pal. We have signed a winger in Salah and are trying for a CB in VVD and a LB possibly in Robertson. Its the 29th of June. Try and chil a bit.


29 Jun 2017 10:29:53
Why don't we just wait n see Deano. No one has really signed anyone yet. Think it'll all start next week.

Salah can play left wing mate
Sakho is long gone and,
Gomez might just need a year on loan to get his fitness and strength back from a serious injury.

Lovren and Klavan are ok. If we sign VVD or the like he will partner Matip anyways in the starting 11.

Obviously LB I see where we all want sorting

Peace ✌️.


29 Jun 2017 09:06:15
Morning all
Gary Medel Inter to Trabzonbur £5 million aged 30 surly worth a punt at that cracking player can play DCM or CH a bit old I know but bags of experience and bite something that's lacking in our squad, for 5 million in the current environment a no brainer! IMO.

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29 Jun 2017 09:22:09
Would definitely be worth it. Great player.


29 Jun 2017 09:28:17
30.bit old? . best start zimmerframe shopping now with the sales on.


29 Jun 2017 09:35:39
Keep Lucas instead! How are they different?


29 Jun 2017 10:03:47
Ed001, calm down. Don't get excited ;-)


{Ed001's Note - I am breathing deeply.}

29 Jun 2017 10:37:43
Was watching Medel play last night for Chile.
What role/ position was he actually playing? I always classed him as a deep midfielder but last night he seemed to be playing a lot deeper, more of a sweeper behind the defense. kinda like a Matheus role.


29 Jun 2017 10:57:22
He played as a CB for inter and he was poor. Medal would add nothing at liverpool.


{Ed001's Note - no, Inter were poor.}

29 Jun 2017 15:41:10
Harry, then you know nothing of how good individually Medel actually is. I've watched Inter play since the three Germans (Matthaus, Brehme and Klinsmann) were playing there and they are rank crap right now in spite of players like Medel, Perisic, Joao Mario, Banega, Icardi and the list goes on. Medel is a player I would sign for LFC right now if possible cos he can play the hybrid CB/ DM position with ease.


29 Jun 2017 08:14:13
I've gone from not understanding why we'd want O-C to being excited about what Klopp could do with him. It's now got to the stage where, of all the main transfer targets, it will upset me the most if it doesn't happen.

Isn't it funny how involved we get with transfer rumours.

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29 Jun 2017 07:59:44
I'm the first one to admit that myself and Eds 001 don't see eye to eye on most footballing matters. For example I think Zidane was the second best footballer ever to play the game and Eds 001 thinks he was a thug. Eds 001 doesent rate VDV that highly and I am desperate for us to sign him regardless of cost. Here's why. What other center back of his caliber wants to play for us? I don't see world class center backs lining up to play for us! And believe me under klopps tutelage he will become world class. He has the nous and savvy to iron out the discrepancies in his game and become an absolute beast for us. Furthermore he offers a real goal threat. Can you imagine if VDV was presented with the headed chances Matip regularly gets? Believe me I wouldn't be surprised if VDV scores 10 goals a season. And don't forget he can take a mean free kick. So what if he costs 60 million plus? Rio Ferdinand cost United 30 million 15 years ago and look how that turned out. We're always shopping in marks and Spencer's how about we shop in Harrods for once!
By the way MK Scouser I enjoy reading your posts but I have t say I disagree with you about Keita. He may or MAY NOT have an underlying heart issue but why should that stop us from buying him? We bought Adam Lalanna who has a similar issue right? That didn't work out too badly? Granted I'm not au fait with the anatomy of Lalanas or Keita's respective hearts. And MK you talk about spending so much money on a player with a heart defect, we spent a club record fee on an alcaholic why can't we spend a club record on a clean living tee total athlete who will make Paul pogba look like Robbie savage in a year or two? This is why we have Medicals MK Scouser. Let's go out there and show some intent. Instead it f wasting money on the Ox put the money in the pot to sign Keita and The Big Dutch guy, let's ride that red wave and launch a league challenge that doesent Peter out every December or January. But I'm sure we'll end up with the ox and Robertson.

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{Ed001's Note - I am not sure I would trust the word of anyone who thinks Van Der Vaart will become a world class defender under Klopp. Did he not retire recently? Even so, there is no way he is worth 60m+ at his age.}

29 Jun 2017 08:11:37
Klopp is a miracle worker mate he can even make you drop a dress size!


{Ed001's Note - he would need to be if he could do that.}

29 Jun 2017 08:33:20
But, god forbid. Klopp leaves for madrid next year.

Should we really be signing players that need him to make them better.

Managers and players are transient employees. Klopp could leave or get sacked at any minute, we need are players to still be good when/ if he left.


29 Jun 2017 09:00:10
What club is realistically going to buy out klopps contract? 7 million a year for 7 years. I don't see Madrid letting Zizou go in a hurry. PSG maybe? City have Pep. Chelsea maybe? Munchen, PSG are the only ones that really come to mind. Then if he goes then we have a ready made replacement in Linders.


29 Jun 2017 09:13:30
Brend so he couldn't be sacked. Or resign?

Germany might come for him. Would he reject that opportunity?

All im saying is players who are going to need klopp to improve is not what where after because if he left then what?

Ox and vvd for 70 mil and there not going to be worth it if klopp isn't here.


29 Jun 2017 09:28:42
Why we talking about Klopp going. He's not going anywhere anytime soon. Never mind 'but he might' not happening.


29 Jun 2017 10:07:22
Seem to have veered of topic, guys. Klopp is going nowhere and I thought we were talking about the Ox and VVD. Where did Klopp leaving us come from?


29 Jun 2017 11:18:06
If me Ma were a bloke, she'd be me Pa, and I'd be a medical marvel.

I agree, let's get back to VVD and Keita.

I think we'll end up with VVD, late in the transfer window, albeit paying more than we should have if we'd done it right. Doesn't really matter about the money, though, matters more that Klopp gets the player he believes he needs.

Keita won't come I reckon, but I don't think the Ox is instead, I think he was going to be as well as.

Whilst they cover different positions, I agree with another poster who said Ox is probably a replacement for Lucas in that he is a utility player who can cover a number of positions and, unlike Lucas, has 5-8 seasons at the top level left in him. Where Lucas was CDM and CB, Ox I see as WB, Wing and possible CM.


30 Jun 2017 14:18:00
Surely in the same way you get players to fit the club you would managers the same. just as easy to say a hypothetical next manager could make better players out of them than loop ever could?


29 Jun 2017 07:59:24
Now that Southampton have said vvd is not for sale let's move on there's no way he is coming guys and also need to move on from ketia again no chance we ain't gona pay that sort of money out I admit we need a central defender and a left back is a must I belive it will be Robertson from Hull who we will try and bring (would not be my choice) but let's see. Central defence is a priority as lovern and klavan are poor.

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29 Jun 2017 10:08:05
For me priority would be extra cover in midfield and a left back. Not sure who we will get in either position. If we signed someone like Robertson or Cresswell for left-back hopefully they be a temporary stop-gap until next season and then we go back in for (talking to his club first) someone like Ryan Sessegnon. But just dreaming i think.


29 Jun 2017 13:35:13
Sukhyari how long are we keep going to sign stop gaps for a position that has been a problem for years.


30 Jun 2017 14:17:35
Vvd will put in a transfer request and leave. I am still certain the will be to Liverpool.


29 Jun 2017 07:42:25
Quick question ed. Why are we not interested in Kostas Manolas, arguably a better defender than Van Dijk and is available according to reports at 26 million. Steal for a world class defender.

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{Ed001's Note - because he has disciplinary issues. Or at least that is what I was told is what is putting teams off moving for him. That is not my personal opinion as I have not seen a lot of him.}

29 Jun 2017 07:54:33
One - He is not a better defender than Van Dijk. Atleast in my opinion. He is a solid reliable defender but no where near world class nor the potential to be one
Two - Ed001 is correct. He does have many disciplinary issues. And has often clashed with teammates. Thus Roma are looking to get rid. And yeah he did not turn up for his medical with Zenit.


29 Jun 2017 07:54:45
Walking red card and a bit of a hot head.


29 Jun 2017 08:40:17
We're trying to get rid of one idiot in Sakho, don't need another.


29 Jun 2017 08:49:05
Speaking of idiot's in the game eds is there anything new about Sakho going? do you believe we will find a buyer this transfer window?


{Ed001's Note - not until he proves his fitness or clubs get desperate at the end of the window.}

29 Jun 2017 08:57:49
Yeah and I can't see that happening personally. Shame because he's a waste of wages.


29 Jun 2017 10:50:28
The thing is you cannot say Manolas is a better defender than VVD because we have not seen Manolas in the Prem, VVD has proven to be top draw in the prem (my personal opinion) .
Otamendi looked a beast of a defender in Sapin before he signed for City but he's struggled in the Prem, same goes for Materazzi, Mangala, Boateng, Fazio, to name a few, all high profile (talented or established) CDs who failed in the Prem.


29 Jun 2017 11:25:07
VVD is better than Monalas. He is a good set piece taker as well.
Big, Tall, strong and Pacy. Excellent on the ball and Absolute dominant in the air, Positionally sound!
If not above what exactly are you looking in a defender?


{Ed001's Note - he is not posiy=tionally sound.}

29 Jun 2017 13:54:59
A centre half who runs forward trying to attack then loses the ball and walks back into position is not possitionaly sound. don't think we would be any better defnsively with VVD in the team perhaps even more likely to consed to counter attack long balls. It has just as much to do with our system as the quality of defender.


30 Jun 2017 14:14:04
He is heading to Zenith.


29 Jun 2017 07:05:48
Blessings in disguise.

Good Morning everyone. I just want to say that while it's not my money being spent we should absolutely not pay the sums being touted for VVD and Keita. It's just getting silly. Both are unproven at the top top level and it is a huge gamble.

I think there is a phenomenon occurring this summer in that as soon as we are linked with anyone they suddenly become worth over 50 mill, famous (on you tube) and linked to all the other top clubs. I've seen people on here stating who would be their own perfect signings and they say Keita's name as if they have seen him for more than one and a half minutes on you tube. It's non-sense. He might be incredible and turn out to be better than what we have, but for that money I'm not sure it makes sense at all, He has no where near proven himself to be worth any more than what Emre Can or say Lallaana would fetch in my opinion. They are saying 70 million aren't they? Tell them to stick it up thier arses.

Obviously every individual target is different but for me we should keep our powder dry. It's vital that we get the signings right even if it means going to the last day of the window.

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29 Jun 2017 08:00:51
With you there, Jack. 70m for both an overrated CB with concentration and positional issues (tho talented) and a talented midfielder with only one season in a top European league? We have proven PL midfielders in Can, Hendo, Lallana and Wiji with a promising Grujic waiting in the wings yet many want us to get stripped naked for 70m for each player? Yeah, either club is welcome to keeping them and we'll keep our money, thank you very much.


29 Jun 2017 09:21:24
You are both talking like you don't want to improve?
Its weird. "Keep our money" and sign who? Who are the better or equal ability alternatives we can sign?
Keita not worth more than lallana or can? He's 22 and got voted 2nd best player in the bundesliga by his peers what other proof do you want? Yes our midfield is of a good standard and Pl proven. 4th in the premier league proven and none of the ones you Mentioned got near team of the year. Vvd has so much talent. He's a beast and he's 25 if he can be coached he could be one of the best in the world. The fact of the matter is while they both may be wildly overpriced, they both walk into our team and improve it now and for years to come. And while I'd rather not pay over the odds I can't see where the alternatives are? Who else can we sign with as much potential and ability for a fair price?


29 Jun 2017 09:39:52
We scrapped 4th place by a point of Arsenal and if People think Ox and Robertson could cement our legacy in tact then I am afraid! I whole heartedly agree with Redwills. We need to recruit our main first choice targets.
Why are people against VVD? You can't talk about concentration issue in one hand while you have Lovren comfortably in the other hand!


29 Jun 2017 10:13:15
Look, if you want the club to get mugged for 140m then have at it but stop slagging the rest of us off who disagree as that won't fly here. Neither VVD nor NK are not worth the money being thrown out there which is why no one but us seem to be interested. Those are the facts and if we are smart, we should look elsewhere for the right players we need like Salah, who are not necessarily the most expensive and overrated (VVD) and unproven (NK) regardless of their talent. Salah will improve us greatly and he did not cost an arm even tho, he is more proven than NK or VVD. Those players are out there. Get to work, LFC.


29 Jun 2017 11:05:17
So we don't go for either player then in 2-3 years time bemoan why we didn't sign them when we had the chance and that our owners are idiots and small time and need kicking out of our club for not showing ambition and holding the club back.
Granted VVD and NK are overpriced, but that's the current market, City have paid a crazy amount of money for a GK nobody really knows anything about! Everton have just paid £30m for Pickford!
You have to speculate to accumulate, and yes its a gamble to spend such crazy amounts on players, but if they turn out to be as good as we are hoping they will then in a few years time you will not even care what we paid for them.


29 Jun 2017 11:14:41
Take the money out the equation and ask yourselves whether adding VVD and Keita would give us a decent shot at the title and/ or Champions League. If the answer is 'yes' you might want to stop worrying about saving FSG a bit of pocket money.


29 Jun 2017 15:42:49
You cannot take money out of the question cos it directly affects it which is why the discussion is happening, Voronin. Your post makes no sense.


29 Jun 2017 23:18:16
Most people can easily take money out of a hypothetical situation, Brussels, give it a go.


30 Jun 2017 14:09:05
The problem are our second choice targets. You might save a few million by not signing the above but we are sure and certain to finish below 5th next season with Robertson and Ox. That's guaranteed! I would rather play academy than buying the above two!


30 Jun 2017 14:15:10
Well from that I can quite clearly tell you certainly have not watched him.
I've kept quiet enough on him as I don't want to get my hopes up and I would say it's the position we possibly need least but he is a special player. his little chipped balls over the shoulder of the last defender into the path of striker or winger are just beautiful to watch.

Also mk buddy you say kante 30 mill as comparison fair enough, however 30 million pounds last year has to be at least 40 odd million pounds this year the way prices have been inflated and keita is a couple years younger. I do agree large amount of money but I don't see it as a gamble as he is pure quality.


29 Jun 2017 01:18:54
Has MK ever written a short post?

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29 Jun 2017 06:08:59
I'm waiting for him to reply 'Yes'


30 Jun 2017 14:08:38
Yes He has.


30 Jun 2017 14:13:39
Haha. While I don't always agree with what MK has to say, he does contribute a lot to the site. His posts are always well written and nearly always generate a good debate.


28 Jun 2017 22:25:05
Eds, come on here everyday to check on transfer rumours! (Thanks for all the effort by the way) . I don't know why I do it to myself, probably hoping one of you give us some good news we can all get excited about but invariably leave disappointed. Tell us all something interesting we don't already know. anything even if it's not about incoming transfers, please. I'm fed up of VVD and Keita rumours.

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{Ed001's Note - something interesting? Ok, if all the blood vessels in your body were laid end to end they would stretch about 60,000 miles. As I am generous, here is something else, coughs move faster than the speed of sound. Hope that helps Timo.}

29 Jun 2017 06:14:08
The designer of the US flag was 17 at the time and he did it for a school project. He got a B-.


29 Jun 2017 06:46:15
An American Institute has identified that the speed of sound can be faster than the speed of light.


29 Jun 2017 07:18:35
Another American institute has identified that there us no correlation between the amount of research you carry out having a positive effect on voting.


29 Jun 2017 08:49:33
The speed of light has been set at a constant by mathmeticians to make their lives easier in formulating equations. In reality its variable and they have gotten different values for it over the years.


29 Jun 2017 11:17:25
84.6% of statistics are made up on the spot (often by handsome Australians)


30 Jun 2017 14:19:10
studies have shown that 46.3% of facts found online are indeed faked.


28 Jun 2017 23:14:46
For my money every successful Premier league team has had an old school English centre half barking out orders from the back Adams, pallister, Campbell, Ferdinand, terry, carragher and arguably even Morgan (I know) to this point . Why is it we are completely overlooking michael keane? He might not have the flash play of a vvd, but he is available at half the price and probably twice the consistency. It seems painfully obvious that this is a winning formula, and was likely the reason for city signing stones an Gary chill still having a career.

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29 Jun 2017 06:50:14
Disagree on Stones
Keane is poor. He is consistent alright, consistently poor.
Nationality is not the issue. We have never replaced Hyypia. In my opinion he was a bigger loss than Carragher.
You need leaders in defence, that's what we're missing, leaders. Leaders require self-confidence, something which our defenders don't have. VVD has it in spades.


29 Jun 2017 07:53:40
Chelsea won the league in spite of Gary Gahill, not because of him. I can't think of one English central defender that I would want week in week out in our starting 11. This is possibly the worst generation of English defenders for a very very long time, for all the money in the game that's a shocking stat, I agree with Ron, Hyppia was a player we didn't adequately replace. And there are very legitimate reasons not to consider Keane, like all of the English centre backs at the moment, he's not very good and further to that, he is a die hard United fan (and we're talking very die hard by all accounts), so for him and us, a move to Anfield was never going to happen.


29 Jun 2017 08:03:02
These are professional footballers we're talking about. Each and every one of our centre backs arrived with self confidence. Lovren had plenty of it. In my opinion (think skrtel) its communication that is their downfall. By having the English center back I think it really aids this communication right from the back.


29 Jun 2017 08:05:09
Rollan, if Michael Keane (who is not good enough and is not a leader) is the one you want us to sign then I'm happy not to have any English CB in our team cos I can't see any that are good enough and any one of them we try to sign will cost an arm and a leg. Do you think a defender who plays in an ultra defensive formation at Burnley, can hack it in a system where he is exposed and required to defend 1v1 situations? And for 28m? I don't. English players are overrated and so is Keane and Stones tho Stones is the better CB, I wouldn't want any English CB here.


29 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Looks like im in the minority then, but whenever I think of successful English teams they've always had English center backs. Michael Keane is wanted by utd and Chelsea? Can't be THAT bad.


{Ed025's Note - it looks like he will end up at everton mate..

29 Jun 2017 18:59:06
Yeah I did see that. But there seemed to be interest from the big clubs. I actually didn't see much of him last season, the point I was making was a bit more general than that. Obviously complete rubbish too haha.


{Ed001's Note - Keane was not of interest to United or Chelsea.}

30 Jun 2017 14:05:17
Pretty certain Keane is not particularly good at barking out orders.


30 Jun 2017 14:10:04
I don't even remember the Last English CB that made to the elite! Cahil was schooled the other day by Mbappe and Dembele. He is the weakest in that Chelsea defense!
I agree with Ron on Sami and VVD. And let's not fool ourself most of the best CB's are priced beyond our nominal range anyways!


 
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