Liverpool Banter Archive September 28 2017

28 Sep 2017 22:20:20
How did Allan get on today? Even though I don't think we'll ever see him in a red shirt, I'm interested to see if he did well.

{Ed025's Note - average mate..

29 Sep 2017 09:45:03
he may have lowered his levels due to the opposition ed. :p.

29 Sep 2017 10:15:00
cheers for the response ed. He's still the saviour the club needs! Haha.

28 Sep 2017New image uploaded to the Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, I now know who is in charge at last.

28 Sep 2017 22:34:56
Must admit I did laugh at this one.

29 Sep 2017 10:25:14
Dear god that Flanno painting has just given me nightmares.

{Ed025's Note - him playing would give me nightmares if i was a red MK..

28 Sep 2017 19:33:51
Just thought I'd mention some players that prehaps don't get an abundance of media attention but I think are hidden gems and could benefit Liverpool.
Ismaily (LB) Shaktar
Josef Souza (CDM) Fernabache
Vitinho (CF) CSKA Moscow
Diego Demme (CDM) Leipzig
Joel Veltman (CB) Ajax
Malcolm (Winger) Bordeaux
Kerem Demibray (CAM) Hoffenheim
Thomas Partey (CDM) Atletico Madrid
Donny Van de Beek (CM) Ajax
Mandi (CB) Betis
Christopher Jullian (CB) Toulouse

Feel free to add anymore and discuss my opinion. Cheers.

29 Sep 2017 18:54:08
Demirbay, Malcolm and Isa Mandi are ones to watch in the future, I think.

28 Sep 2017 18:05:16
Does klopp see the need for a proper striker in his team or is he happy with having firmino up there? Just think firmino would be perfect behind the likes of a harry kane (imagine how many goals he would get at Liverpool giving the amount of chances we create) or an aubamyang someone who is clinical in front of goal

Imagine

Salah firmino mane

Kane.

28 Sep 2017 18:20:11
So where does your best player couts play? In a midfield 2 without a holder? Mmmm no wonder your defense is creaking a bit with little or no protection In front.

28 Sep 2017 18:57:47
Salah and Mane combined have scored 9 goals between them (EPL) . Only 6 EPL games gone. Mane has been suspended too.

I really do not see the problem here with this outcry for a natural front man being needed?

Mane and Salah have combined scored more than Kane, Alli and Erikson.

Coutinho seem to be getting a grip that Barcelona is not going to happen now and may not even happen in future. Firmino will get goals too.

Why the bloody outcry for a main man up top? Mind boggling.

28 Sep 2017 21:32:11
Don't see the need for a main striker. That to me is mind boggling maxlfc. Firmino as great as he is will never be a 20-25 goal a season striker. I think him behind someone like Kane (who we won't get) or someone of that ilk would be far more beneficial to the team imo. That's the great thing about football full of opinions that's what makes it exciting. Defence needs to be sorted first before we even think about a main man up top. Think we will agree on that.

28 Sep 2017 21:58:59
Ken coutinho will be going whether we like it or not. Coutinho is a fantastic player and I don't want to lose him but he will be a goner by the summer whether that's to barca, PSG or whoever else. The list won't be short of teams that want him. Fabinho I don't know if you have seen him? Fabulous player. Can pass short, long good engine can play DM but isn't limited to that. He can score goals also, would toughen up midfield as he isn't afraid to get stuck in and I think him and keita would be a match made in heaven. I think klopp will revert back to 4231 next season.

29 Sep 2017 10:21:31
Fabhino will have better offers than Liverpool mate.

29 Sep 2017 10:50:23
I think they just need to train a bit more on putting chances away with different techniques. Outside of the foot, head, vollys etc etc and calmness under pressure. We snatch a lot. Its not a hard thing to get right either. We need a hell of a lot more training defensively though. Kloppo needs a few more double or triple sessions to drill it Into them.

Have faith 👌.

29 Sep 2017 18:59:06
This issue has been litigated already and the facts are stubborn on this issue. We scored almost 100 goals (92) last season in all comps. w/ o a striker. This season, we have scored near 20 goals in all comps. this season already (could have been 30 - 35 had we taken our chances) so again, this "striker" thingy is a red herring. Our boys just need to train more in front of goal and when in good positions, be more intelligent in their decision making.

29 Sep 2017 19:57:41
Ken I agree 100% pal. Fabinho won't be coming to Liverpool unfortunately think he would be a fantastic player for us tho. For me I think butland and vvd are musts in Jan even if a deal could done for butland to be done for summer in Jan would be great. Think he is a fantastic keeper.

28 Sep 2017 15:51:33
Whoops, yet another thread about Henderson - I'm terribly sorry

A question for Ed01 if you're around - and also generally for any of you fellas who can give a proper answer

There's something I've been wondering . We always bring up Henderson's footballing skills, and whether you're a fan or not, I feel like there's nowhere near any talk about his attributes as a captain. It's only ever in small bits, but never dedicated enough or backed up enough to convince me of anything. At least I always feel left wondering

This has led me to realise that I'm actually not sure about what exactly he offers to the team captain-wise.

Is he a good organizer of the players around him? Is it his workrate that makes him a good choice? Is he more of a backroom captain? Is he good at keeping his teammates at bay? (I'm not sure that's the correct term, but I mean does he take notice of his teammates and give them peptalks throughout the game, calming them down/ motivating them/ etc. ) . Does he get in the refs face? Is he just good at following instructions from the sideline? And so on

I do try and take notice of him when we play, but it's not always easy when watching on the TV - sadly I've ever only been to Anfield once as it's hard for me to take the time off to travel around. But I know that it's always easier to see these kind of things when actually going to the games.

I will try not to propose my own ideas as to why he is/ isn't a good fit, again simply because I wonder more than I actually know.

{Ed001's Note - it really depends when I have seen him, some games he organises the free kicks etc but then the next one he just seems to do nothing in that regard as he gets caught up arguing decisions.}

28 Sep 2017 16:57:59
We need another Hyypia figure. Arguably the best captain Liverpool have had in recent times.

28 Sep 2017 18:01:50
He wasn't actually captain for that long though think it was about a season before being replaced by Gerrard.

28 Sep 2017 19:37:27
Hyypia captained the team when Stevie was out. Plus Hyypia captained us to the treble in 01/ 02.

He was a natural leader, stood out from the rest.

28 Sep 2017 20:03:10
Hyypia was de facto captain from 1999 due to Redknapp's injuries and Houillier's aversion to picking Fowler regularly.

28 Sep 2017 20:10:06
I wasn't doubting his leadership qualities but rightly or wrongly he wasn't officially captain for that long.

28 Sep 2017 20:51:50
that treble you speak of would have been 2001 mate.

28 Sep 2017 21:37:16
Ed01 exactly. I feel it's difficult to judge his all around captaincy skills from the few things I take notice of. I recall he seemed to be pretty vocal and augmentative against the ref in Moscow and perhaps a bit in general now that you mention it. A bit all over the place for good and worse.
Anyways, that's part reason why I thought there might be more to it than what we just see on the pitch. I recall Rodgers calling him a leader by example due to his work both on and off the pitch, so surely he must be doing something right in the backroom as well.

But again, I feel I know too little to actually give my own qualified opinion.

{Ed001's Note - he does work extremely hard in training and is a good example in that regard, but I don't see that, personally, as a reason to be captain, that should be the norm.}

28 Sep 2017 22:26:07
Since Klopp's arrival, have we ever looked at switching the armband?
In other words, do you know if Klopp rates him as the carry-on captain? If not, is it more a case of not knowing who to replace him with/ not wanting to disrupt the harmony in the squad?

I know I'm asking a lot of questions and some if's and but's, just trying to get some long overdue clarification.

28 Sep 2017 23:40:24
Out of interest do you guys think the captain is all that important?

Apart from what previous captains of the club would bring to the team in terms of football ability, what is it that henderson is lacking?

It has always struck me as a role given greater importance than perhaps it needs. For example would you take a team with a good knoweldge and understanding of game management and the managers tactics and how thet evolve with game errors etc or a singular figure that was a "perfect" captain?

28 Sep 2017 14:25:06
Breaking that Ancelloti has been sacked. Is it too early for them to make a move for klopp eds?

{Ed002's Note - I have answered this already on the European pages.}

28 Sep 2017 18:39:57
It was only a matter of time as he has been dreadful for them.

{Ed002's Note - They are the current German league and cup champions - try not to share your ignorance of this as well. It is simply embarrassing.}

28 Sep 2017 14:35:34
So looks like Ancelotti has got the boot, brace yourself for all the speculation to stampede the press.

28 Sep 2017 15:06:50
The press will milk it, especially the Daily Fail that always seems to want players and managers out of the Anfield door ASAP. Cannot see Klopp leaving mid season but at some point Bayern will make their move for him.

28 Sep 2017 13:58:55
Ed say we point blank refuse to sell coutinho. Could he announce his retirement, be released from his contract and sign with Barcelona in say 8 months. Just curious.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

28 Sep 2017 14:43:09
Ed if a club were to buy a player and then that player were to retire is that player obligated to repay the fees such as signing fees they paid for that player? Didn't Antonio Cassano join a club over the summer then retire a few days after signing or am I thinking of someone else?

{Ed002's Note - It would depend what his contract states but Antonio Cassano would not have made money out of what he did this past summer.}

28 Sep 2017 12:46:19
I see a problem with the intergalactic cup.

If (by chance) we vote Brendan Rodgers manager then he may choose to rest all the superstar players for the prestigious away game at Bellerophon- in order to keep them fresh for a Saturday league game?

28 Sep 2017 14:52:52
Don't worry, Kolo will sort it.

28 Sep 2017 12:00:31
As in the words of Langston Hughes "Beige sailors with large noses binoculars the Atlantic" we come to the two right backs that each of you would like to propose for inclusion in or World Team. My proposals are Daniel Carvajal from Real Madrid and Benjamin Henrichs, the Bayer Leverkusen youngster who is headed for the very top of the game. I would pick these over Alves and Lahm simply because of their age.

28 Sep 2017 12:21:26
I'd go for Carvajal too, quality player. Would also go for Fabinho who, though moved to the DM position, was a deadly right-back when playing there, guy just has a very rounded game. 　Also not particularly old.

28 Sep 2017 12:27:22
Azpilicueta and Kimmich for me.

Best right back in the world in my opinion is Azpilicueta. So good defensively he has adapted to played on the side of a back 3. So 2 footed he can play left back just as well.

Kimmich is just a great young talented. Maybe the best right back in Germany already, and so good on the ball that Guardiola saw him as a midfielder before he left.

Honourable mentions for Carvajal, Juanfran, Alves, Florenzi and Cedric. Also all very good right backs, but edged out for me by Azpilicueta's versatility and Kimmich's potential. Carvajal is just too reliant on pace, Juanfran and Alves are both getting on and are in decline, Florenzi is being ruined by injury, and Cedric is unproven at the highest level for me.

28 Sep 2017 12:52:41
Lahm has retired, Ed002, although to be fair, he'd still probably be one of the best rightbacks in the world right now if he came out of retirement. My choices would be Azpilicueta and Kimmich as well. Both incredibly versatile which means they can cover other positions if needed. Azpilicueta is one of the best defenders in the world, he's someone who gets the job done with minimal fuss. Kimmich would be a more attacking option to add an extra dimension. I've picked him over Alves because Alves seems to carry a lot of baggage, and although he's a serial winner, his age and his propensity for splitting the dressing room would not be ideal for a team which I'm sure will be full of egos.

{Ed002's Note - Don't be surprised to see Lahm return - he has a couple of offers including one from Hambug they are still discussing.}

28 Sep 2017 13:21:19
Azpilicueta and Juanfran.

28 Sep 2017 13:39:10
Daniel Carvajal and Youssouf Sabaly.

28 Sep 2017 13:46:04
Good post zpecialone.

28 Sep 2017 14:32:42
Not many decent right backs around at this current time which is a shame but for me number 1 is 100% Carvajal and number 2 at this current time as much as I hate to say it Valencia for United. Hasn't put a foot wrong in that position for them in 2 seasons and quick/ powerful going forward also.

28 Sep 2017 14:38:16
Dani Alves and Azpilicueta.

28 Sep 2017 14:50:54
Bernardo from RBL.
(we should sign this lad)

Azpilicueta, (As good as I've seen in PL)

28 Sep 2017 14:55:29
Carvajal and Azpilicueta for me.

28 Sep 2017 15:05:09
1) Azpilicueta: Good old fashioned full back who does his primary task very well.

2) Carvajal: Done well since Real signed Danilo. Good going forward and has also improved defensively.

Honorable mentions for Heinrichs, Semedo, Meunier.

28 Sep 2017 15:28:59
Let me stir the pot a litte.

Kyle Walker - best RB in PL last season
&
Dani Carvajal - best RB in Europe.

28 Sep 2017 15:37:21
Admittedly this is more on what the few times I watched Monaco last season, but to offer a different name, I'll go Sidibe.

Azpilcueta and Meunier to make up the top 3.

I would pick "dave" as my first choice normally, but I thought I'd just offer a different name.

28 Sep 2017 15:37:21
Admittedly this is more on what the few times I watched Monaco last season, but to offer a different name, I'll go Sidibe.

Azpilcueta and Meunier to make up the top 3.

I would pick "dave" as my first choice normally, but I thought I'd just offer a different name.

28 Sep 2017 15:44:15
Azpil plays at CB and when he does tend to play full back it's LB so quite how MK rates him so high at RB is amazing.

For me best RB is still Alves. underrated PL RB is Cedric.

{Ed002's Note - César Azpilicueta is predominantly a RB who has the ability to play elsewhere should it be needed.}

28 Sep 2017 16:14:21
Hi Ed 2,

The same reason I opted for Bernardo of RBL,

Do you rate him? I think he'd suit LFC.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea held talks with RBL about Bernardo this past summer but were told he was not for sale. I tend to try and avoid "rating" players unless someone has made a particular point about a player.}

28 Sep 2017 16:27:18
Again, like with my GK's, I have to go with players who I see on a regular basis.

My RB's

Bellerín and Kyle Walker who has been very good for City. They are both exactly what it says on the can = Attacking fullbacks :-)

28 Sep 2017 16:35:04
Azpilicueta and Meunier for me!

28 Sep 2017 16:57:50
Completey forgot about the Napoli right back Hysaj.

28 Sep 2017 17:07:51
I understand that ed,

But he plays more times not at RB than at RB.

For me he's the best outright defender in the league.

{Ed002's Note - But you were "amazed" about someone choosing him?}

28 Sep 2017 17:11:16
Difficult to choose from because there are so few. Azpilicueta for the reasons mentioned above and alves. Reckon lahm would happily come out of retirement for galactic football though so if that's on the cards he'd be number one.

28 Sep 2017 17:36:55
Coleman before his injury was best right back in the epl for previous 4 seasons imo. Scores goals makes goals and solid defensively. Not a popular shout on this page im sure but credit where its due. To leave him out of any list is showing bias. ( and we are all guilty of that)

28 Sep 2017 17:59:15
In all honesty, I don't watch much football outside of the Premier league, and there isn't a huge pool of choices here. Some years ago I would have confidently said Seamus Coleman, but sadly, the injuries seem to have hit him hard. Carjaval I liked more while he was in Germany, and Rici Pereyra seemed like a world beater, but I have only seen 2-3 games of him, so it would be unfair to include him.
So:

Azpilicueta - a very stable and underrated talent;
Dani Alves - he was one of the greatest, and keeps proving his class after laving the Barcelona machine.

I think that those two would be good alternatives to each other.

28 Sep 2017 17:59:25
Azpilicueta is by a distance the best RB around. He is not a CB, he has learnt to play the right sided Defendant of a back 3. He would not be effective as part of a flat back 4 unless he was played at RB. Given that our formation for this team is a flat back 4 he has to be the RB.

The 2nd one is difficult, but for me it has to be Alves. Solely because he has won so much and every time I think he's going to be shown up he ups his game. His defensive skills have improved dramtically recently and if he could only learn to put the breaks on from time to time and not be the further player forward 5 or 6 times a game he would be top of the list.

So

Dave and Alves.

{Ed025's Note - azpilicueta is a good shout dawn but hes hardly the best by a distance mate, him and coleman are very close and it would be the toss of a coin on either of them..

28 Sep 2017 18:04:09
Agree Ken, Coleman is a quality player. Would have him in my team every day of the week.

28 Sep 2017 18:15:16
Coleman great defender attacker and a goalscorer best in the league by far before injury.

{Ed025's Note - certainly right up there irish..

28 Sep 2017 18:18:04
2 agrees on the liverpool page ed025 i feel dirty now😂 good debate guys. Just to qualify over last 10 years alves is without doubt no1 lahm 2.
In epl azpi and coleman over last 4 years are head and shoulders above the rest imo.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that ken..

28 Sep 2017 18:30:14
I rate Lahm over Alves, but that's just me.
I'll go for Azpi and Kimmich though. If Seamus Coleman wasn't injured, Azpi and Coleman.

28 Sep 2017 19:16:45
my picks are azpi, andrea conti of AC Milan.

28 Sep 2017 19:57:10
Coleman and Carvajal.

28 Sep 2017 21:42:08
Coleman and Azpilicueta are the Two standout RB in the EPL, regardless of injuries.
But I'd go for Azpil and Alves.
Two very different styles and alves is excellent going forward, while azpil is a solid no nonsense defender who could have played in any era. I loved Steve finnan at rb, he was just class and also got on with his game no matter what. Azpil reminds me of him in a lot of ways.

28 Sep 2017 22:01:24
Can i pick Javier Zanetti? Even at 44 i'd probably pick him over most of these, he was that good.

28 Sep 2017 22:08:03
Lichtsteiner due to experience and is as good defensively as he is going forward. And Henrichs also. As Ed002 has said he is young with tremendous potential.

28 Sep 2017 22:12:26
Al go with one if not best rb ave ever seen marcus babel and present coleman injury has intervened but the boy is still young enough to have his best years a head of him.

28 Sep 2017 22:24:43
Babbel even.

29 Sep 2017 04:23:04
Azpilicueta and Coleman.

29 Sep 2017 05:54:44
i'd gp for Lucasz piszczek from dortmund and dani carvajal, Juanfran from athletico is also good.
but i think piszczek and carvajal are the best attacking RB in the world.

29 Sep 2017 07:18:21
Dani Alves and Joshua Kimmich.

Dani Alves was excellent for a long time at Barcelona. He has been excellent at Juventus since. He seems to have improved defensively with them aswell.
Joshua Kimmich is younger and I rate him so highly. I think he will be the best there for a long time. My opinion though.

These choices may be swayed by being a Liverpool fan though. Alves is the perfect player for how Klopp wants to play. Kimmich is the perfect player for what we actually need.

29 Sep 2017 07:51:34
If I could choose from players I have seen most frequently it would have been the mighty Steve Finnan! Such an underrated quality right back. I would also choose Lahm but decided against since he is retired. But since I can’t choose those my choices would be:
Carvajal- no doubt a quality right back- superb work rate, quality crosser on the ball- not bad in defence too.
Azpilicueta- just edges Kyle Walker in my opinion. Based mainly on premier league footy I watch- he is very versatile across the back line and has the ability to make the position each his own. Great player to have.

29 Sep 2017 09:02:35
Azpilicueta and Carvajal for me.

29 Sep 2017 09:35:22
Azpilicueta and Alves are our right backs. On to the left backs next. There will be a new thread for that.

28 Sep 2017 07:30:48
Imagine Harry chipping in when we get the DM part of our intergerlactic world class squad 😂.

28 Sep 2017 07:52:42
Imagine rest of others who claims “. We don’t play with a DM “lol! I would count how many would include hendeson in any of the list!

28 Sep 2017 08:12:39
Dear god.

28 Sep 2017 08:28:47
Lol I will also check how many would include Klopp in their list!

28 Sep 2017 08:39:40
Harry did you really have to try and make it about Henderson again?

It's getting pathetic mate. And that's me putting it kindly. Nobody is going to nominate a box to box midfielder filling in / trying to adapt at DM to play there in the best 25 man squad on earth. So why even bring him up; just to take a cheap shot? Matic, Casemeiro, Bender, N'Zonzi, Motta, Medel, Fabinho, Busquets, Wanyama and Demme are the level of holding midfielders we will be discussing. Hendo is a great player, and maybe even one of the better midfielders in the Premier League, but he is not a world class DM and won't get anywhere near this discussion.

28 Sep 2017 09:09:49
Keep aside DM, I will see how many would include him in the CM list! You claimed by end of this season he would be inside top 5 holding midfielders.

28 Sep 2017 10:13:29
You two should be on the debate. Or just get the gloves on for charity lol.

28 Sep 2017 10:14:32
In the Premier League mate. I said he has the potential to be one of the best in the Prem once he learns the role, once we have a more balanced midfield, and that in my opinion he would be by the end of the season. I never stated it as fact. It was my opinion/ prediction.

He nearly already is if we're limiting it to just the Premier league. Matic, Wanyama, Dier, Romeu, Fernandinho and Herrera are probably the only ones who i would have instead of him. Kante, Gueye and Can are all decent in that role, but rarely get shackled into it.

I really don't know what your problem is with Henderson mate. He is a decent DM progressively getting better at it, and a great box to box midfielder who has proven he can play in title challenging teams in that role. I'm not nor have i ever claimed he is one of the best in the world though. Nobody is. He just doesn't deserve to constantly be made into a scapegoat just because of bitter comments made by ex-managers who tried and failed to sign him, or the clueless failed managers who sit in the punditry studios.

If/ when we sign a proper DM, i still expect Henderson to start most games if he fully recovers from his heel injury or at least gets to a stage he can manage it. He is the captain, and our best centre midfielder for now who would in my opinion get into any other midfield in the Premier league except Man United, Man City or Tottenham. Although a couple of them are debateable considering Man United and Tottenham have tried to sign him in the past.

Of course, you know better than Dalglish, Rodgers, Klopp, Hodgson and Southgate who all pick/ picked him whenever he was fit. Or Alex Ferguson and Pochettino who both wanted to sign him 🙄 sure though, let's listen to Neville, Shearer and Le Tissier after their glittering careers in coaching and management.

Hendo is just the new Lucas. Supporters nowadays need someone to blame. He will always be picked by any managers who come and go because professionals paid to know what they are talking about rate him highly, but he will never be rated because the media and large proportions of the fans have made up their minds and refuse to credit him for anything good he does, and instead choose to discredit him for everything bad he does.

I can accept it if you simply don't rate him. I just don't want to read about it on every single, sometimes completely unrelated, thread! If you are expecting Liverpool to have a team of 11 world class players, you need to lower your expectations. No team in history has had that, and teams like Real Madrid who have tried it found out that actually, you need some less talented players like Pepe, Casemeiro and Benzema who will fight for it on off days. In fact what you then find is that players who many thought weren't good enough, when surrounded by more talented players, bring out the best in one another to the point where the less talented players actually become part of a world class team.

Henderson is not going to be the star. He is always going to be a team player. That is just the way it is mate. Maybe if you back him, he can be part of a successful team.

28 Sep 2017 10:47:32
I'll fight Harry in a boxing match for charity!

I haven't boxed since i had a bone graft on my right hand though. I reckon my finger would shatter 😂 they took nearly an entire section on bone out to remove a tumour and then filled it in with bone from my wrist. If I'm going to bust my hand though, I'd love it to be on Harrys chin, defending Henderson. I mean, err, for charity 👀.

28 Sep 2017 10:50:43
Writing a 10 para post wouldn’t change facts into reality! He is an average English midfielder who after 7 years still
doesn’t know how to play in the midfield! He is so limited with the ball and posses absolutely no attribute to play deep! He will be phased out once Kieta and a world clas
Holding mid joins us next summer!
He will have the support of every liverpool supporter out there! And this is my opinion on the player!
Lowering my expectations lol! Or more like living mediocrity? From Sahin / Bender / Gundagaon to Henderson! No wonder why Klopp is struggling!

Some clubs tried to sign him in the past lol! Man city tried to sign Skrtel in the past and there would a couple
Of clubs interested in Mignolet as well!

28 Sep 2017 10:59:46
You seem to be getting some stick lately MK but fair play, you've made your point intelligently and intelligibly as usual. Always a reasoned opinion. I know it's difficult to do that concerning LFC!

28 Sep 2017 11:53:04
Thank you CanIbeTheKing. I love the stick deep down mate, but it's always nice to know where my single thumbs up is coming from 😂.

28 Sep 2017 14:50:21
I honestly don't know how people can miss what he does, whether people think he is a "world class" footballer or not, the stick is just embarrassing. As a daily reader of this site for the past decade i would just like to add there are hopefully many more fans out there that quietly appreciate the efforts of quality such as henderson and continue to enjoy this site in the background. That said, Keep up the good debates guys. even those robbie savage impersonators, wouldn't be the same without you.

28 Sep 2017 16:44:54
In the interest of balance, i'll downvote you this time!
Keep up the good work mate.

28 Sep 2017 21:51:25
City who signed Otamendi, Demichelis, Stones, Mangala and Nastasic? Anyway Skrtel won our player of the year award when they tried to sign him. He looked very good in a deep defence alongside Carragher or Agger.

You have just cherry picked the best midfielders Klopp had at Dortmund anyway. Kehl, Kagawa, Großkreutz, Zidan, KP Boateng and many more midfielders who were just good players and far from world class also played under Klopp. You forget these things though mate because they don't suit your argument. Sahin wasn't all that either by the way. He had one good season and has never rebuilt his career since. He couldn't even look good in Real Madrid's midfield.