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28 Sep 2014 22:48:36
Eds, any reason why my 7 recent attempts at posting haven't been put on the site?
{Ed002's Note - I can see one unacceptable one and nothing else. I don't have the time for BS questions like this.}
Ok, hope this is acceptable.......
{Ed007's Note - I deleted posts from you so you'll understand why this was not acceptable either. That's the end of the matter, man up, deal with it and move on - before I move it on.}
28 Sep 2014 21:21:03
Sorry to post this in rumours my phone won't allow me the option to post banter for some reason . Eds have you ever thought about having a live chat option during matches ? Would be a good addition to the site in my opinion . I know you would get all the trolls but still would add another dimension to the site
{Ed002's Note - Yes - it might well happen.}
28 Sep 2014 21:48:03
That would be brilliant and should include the Eds into it. would keep things calm and well.
28 Sep 2014 23:03:19
Great idea
I think the word 'carnage' springs to mind
Omg ken yes lol
29 Sep 2014 04:20:55
Ken more like unparalleled unseen uncontrollable carnage
If a live chat were to happen ed, please make it for registered users only, as anon users will simply attract abuse and then i can see that itll be taken away after implementation due to the abuse. registered users would atleast reduce the abuse. i'm only suggesting this because i think live chat would be an awesome addition and i want it to stay. add that live chat to the future possible phone app ed!
{Ed001's Note - it would any ever be for registered users, that is the only way it could work.}
29 Sep 2014 09:19:47
LMAO realy? eds have allready made it clear we are by far the most hard to deal with fans, and Ed002 realy? would you be involved? every amswer would be RTFP lol
{Ed002's Note - It would be nothing to do with me. It would be no more that the Liverpool supporters abusing the players, the management and the club. It would never last.}
Good idea. Might help to get rid of one of other pages, which a lot of folks don't read.
{Ed001's Note - not sure how that would help anything?}
29 Sep 2014 11:34:56
I think Ed002 says all the nonsense and during he match and immediate post match posts (when they are over the top) gets dumped on to the Other Liverpool Posts or something?
Maybe we could do away with that page and instead start a chat feature, only open for like the Match Day? Lots of ill-thought-of posts do get posted on Match day and it is understandable IMO. What do you think Ed001?
{Ed001's Note - I don't see the problem with them continuing to go on the other page as well, it lets you see the idiocy of some people and gives you a constant reminder......}
28 Sep 2014 20:59:46
Evening Eds and Reds
Does anyone no when both Can and Allen are due back from injury? Could they be in the squad for Wednesday?
28 Sep 2014 21:49:25
Can is a month away from any game and Club hasn't set a date of return for Allen.
the last I heard it here.
28 Sep 2014 22:15:22
I'm liking forward to can coming back just hope Brendan puts him in for a few games a mid trio of can Henderson and Allen would provide plenty of energy and hopefully cut out this splitting of the cbs
28 Sep 2014 20:58:22
This will have been done I think but does anyone else think Jagielka's goal is the result of bad defending?
I get that its a once in a career wonder shot from a CB but when tbe ball gets cleared everyone can see what's happening. Jagielka is winding up for what seems like a lifetime. I understand that the players could not have closed him down much quicker because he was far out, but even at my poor level we know that if we can't get out to the man then we close the space and cover the angles towards goal.
Good goal, won't take that away from Jags, just think the defense were too flat footed.
28 Sep 2014 21:51:06
Don't think so mate. That was once in a lifetime strike. Gerrard did try to block him and everyone wished him to strike it resulting a GK.
It was a great goal Andy, but the problem was that everyone was defending, and way too deep, not only was Jagielka winding up for a big shot, but he had another teammate a few feet to his right, think we were 10 yards too deep at least, and no-one keeping Jagielka back were he shold have been, what a strike tho .
Same old hind sight 20/20 BS. LFC and especially Gerrard have ade a living from scoring goals like Jagielka`s goal in the last minute of games. Jagielka scored a great goal and no need to start pointing fingers because it only makes you sound petty and eager to lay blame on someone when there`s no blame to placed on anyone. We were the better team and deserved the win BUT didn`t get it. Get over it and move on.
29 Sep 2014 10:34:51
I have no argument that it was a great strike, my argument is with the players not getting out in the correct manner. There was more that could have been done to defend the goal. Like I say the players defending should have covered the angles, blocking the routes to goal. This is just the same as a keeper knowing his angles.
The goal may still have gone in, just saying that I wasnt overly impressed with the way we defended the second ball, which Jagielka smashed!
Nor am I petty, we drew a game bcause we deserved to. Simple. We didn't kill the game when we were commanding it and we paid the price. Its all part of my love for the game.
28 Sep 2014 20:37:15
I think we can be optimistic looking at the table. One more point could get us to 7th. Another two get you up to fourth. It is only the beginning of the season, and the performance wasn't all that bad. We can thank the nature of the league, as we are still close to the Champions League spots.
28 Sep 2014 19:55:25
why don't you put up my posts isit because there too controversial ?
{Ed002's Note - They will be there on one of the pages used to collect all of the nonsense.}
Ouch! lol
28 Sep 2014 23:04:58
Another stinger from ed 2 ;)
Have you thought about a book of putdowns ;)
28 Sep 2014 18:00:30
Also cannot understand why there is so much negativity towards Sakho.
Lovren and Sakho have given us our only clean sheet this season and as a CB pair have conceded 2 goals. Skrtel and Lovren have seen us concede 7 goals in four games a CB pair.
There at least has been some form of communication when Lovren and Sakho have paired up. With Skrtel and Lovren it is 'you do your thing and I will do mine'. Skrtel and Sakho also no communication as seen from last season.
Spot the problem??
28 Sep 2014 19:05:59
If Skretel and Sakho has no communication, How would Sakho communicate to Lovern?
Just asking.
Correction, Lovren and Sakho have only conceded one goal as a CB pair.
Not sure why Rodgers has not decided to give them a run.
{Ed002's Note - Done to death. I explained at length about this. Unfortunately it caused problems with some of the posters who struggle with rational discussion.}
Sakho has been very average since he joined liverpool.he hasn't done enough to be a starter imo.brendan needs to decide if he really wants him, if not let's cash in
I think your rationale is rubbish. You do realise that conceding goals is not just the responsibility of the centre halves? There are other defenders, a midfield, attack and a gk that influence this too?
Weather your right or not about Skertel is open to interpretation, but to use this statistic as a barometer is ridiculous?
It's like suggesting that Eric Dier is a better goalscorer than Sturridge due to scoring more goals this season!
Id suggest that Lovren has been our poorest performer so far this season in that position, which is quite an achievement! Particularly as he has been hailed as the saviour to our vulnerabilities.
It's far more accurate to assess where or how the goals have been conceded and if they could have been avoided?
The very impressive Moreno still has lots of improvement in this area based on responsibility for goals conceded thus far.
Skertel has been at fault directly or indirectly for maybe only one or two of those goals conceded.
So formulate your opinion by all means, but try to be constructive and not just biased!
They are both French speakers, so it should help. Unfortunately, Rodgers just generally dislikes using Sakho.
28 Sep 2014 20:52:04
Sirshanks
Moreno is an attacking full back much like Luke Shaw and Baines. They would be caught behind. Your DM needs to cover them up.
BR knew what he was bringing in with Moreno.
So Moreno is the new scapegoat for posters now. The boy put Lukaku in his pocket all game and still gets slated. The Eds are right for not posting certain comments because like these comments, they just make me sick about how blind, fickle and deluded some fans are because they are so quick to blame someone if we don`t win even those who play well. N BTW, NONE of or cb`s have played well this season so they all need to improve.
28 Sep 2014 16:56:14
It is a bit strange to to me why Rodgers is going with two holding midfielders.
He has had Gerrard/Lucas holding and failed miserably and Gerrard/ Henderson twice as a holding pair which has not really been effective either so my question to Rodgers would be why continue with something that is not working?
Our best display this season was against Spurs, Gerrard as the single pivot with Allen and Henderson doing the running. I can understand Allen and Sturridge are injured but to completely change the way our team is used to playing is an accident waiting to happen and as we have seen, the accident keeps on happening.
I see no reason why Lallana cannot sit in for Allen while is out. He was a workhorse for Southampton, can press, tackle and has loads of energy.
My other issue is Balotelli upfront on his own. He looks lost half of the time. Play two upfront?
Another thing that made me want to hit the roof from the match yesterday was when we were protecting a one goal lead. Since when do we play like this? All season long besides the Spurs match we have sat back and allowed the opposition to come at us.
Do not get me wrong, I am a huge Rodgers fan but the football I am witnessing this season most of the time looks laboured and there is just no intention to take the game to the opposition. We would rather just sit back and let them run over us.
What West Ham did to us in those painful seven minutes when we conceded 2 goals is what we were doing to teams last season. We had no answers in that match. Yesterday we sit back and invite the pressure and Everton take advantage of it. The last time I checked we do not have the defence to protect a one goal lead.
Just very frustrated at the moment. If we keep on playing like this then we will miss out on a CL spot.
This is annoying.there is no point playing the diamond when the right players aren't available.we played the diamond against westham and conceeded twice in 7minutes
You make another ridiculous point about trying to protect a 1-0 lead which is exactly what we did against spurs until we got the second goal.we tried to get the second against everton but failed what else do you want the team to do?
Stop moaning and start supporting
Our midfield diamond vs West Ham consisted of Gerrard and Lucas. It is an even bigger mistake than playing these two as holding midfielders. Why do you think Rodgers took of Lucas at half time?
As I have said, I am a huge Rodgers fan but he is cutting his nose to spite his face.
Gerard and Lucas does not work, due to a complete lack of pace . when Joe Allen returns, he will give much more to the midfield, when sturridge returns, I expect us to get back to winning ways, also more positive posts, mine included .
BR`s trying to find a solution hence, he`s trying diff things. Can`t blame the guy for trying. He played SG and Lucas in mid vs WH and it failed because they are both one paced and lack the energy to pressure hence, he changed i by subbing Lucas and playing Hendo net to Gerrard. Also, if you want to play the diamond, we need to have Hendo, SG like it or not JOE ALLEN because both he and Hendo have the ability and energy to pressure and hassle the opposition while adding sleek passing and possession to our game. We need all our players who are suited for the diamond (Allen, Can, Studge) back at full strength or we`re going to struggle.
{Ed002's Note - I rather suspect that he has discovered (or been told of) the hole he is in and the mistakes he has made. Now he is trying to get out of it with as few causalities as possible. But they are there to see now - those that will be cast aside will either be aware of it (Kirikou, Suso and Pipco for example) or soon will be aware of it. I would hope that he would be open to some help with (a) the man management of the first team, and (b) setting up the team and coaching. I don't want to get in to specifics of goal keeping coaches or defensive coaches but there just needs to be a little bit of calmness and a little tweek to help the team back on course and I am sure they will be fine. I am far from convinced that adding additional players will help out right now.
Maybe it would help if some of the "Liverpool legends" stepped back from having strong opinions for a while?
Maybe someone is being consulted about the chances of giving a helping hand for a while or just reviewing the regime the coaches and the team are following - this is not uncommon amongst the higher level teams. It has happened with Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea and a number of others I can think of.}
28 Sep 2014 19:55:37
"Liverpool legends" stepped back from having strong opinions for a while
That's a fantastic point Ed. We do have some real good out there who would do a very good job.
I agree Redohio, I feel that when he's got the players that he feels can play the diamond, ie Sturridge, Allen and Henderson (possibly Can) all fit at once, then he'll utilise it more often than not.
I remember him saying last season that it is only down to the athleticism of players like Henderson that you can get away with playing two up front. Think it was after the Everton game, though I might be wrong.
I think we'll look a different team when he's got them players back, as we saw against Spurs.
A midfield diamond of Henderson Allen Sterling in the hole and Lallana with two up front would be the best possible option Rodgers has tried different things but from what I can see if you want a good ball retaining midfielder rather than Gerrard play Allen and then Lallana Henderson and Sterling fluid young quick excting
28 Sep 2014 20:49:44
Walton
Lallana could defo play instead of Allen in the middle. He is a hard working player and would influence much more than played out wide.
Allen's come back date isn't fixed and Can is a month away from recovery.
We cannot wait for these player to kick start our season.
29 Sep 2014 07:34:46
So you see Coutinho as being on the Brendaned train with Sakho and Lucas, Ed002? Hard to disagree, sadly, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Markovic joining them shortly.
28 Sep 2014 16:08:48
Hello edds
Seeing some people suggesting Liverpool should and will be going for another striker in January. I can't see it myself after the summer spend. Heard anything on it?
Thanks
{Ed002's Note - With Origi arriving next summer I cannot see it unless someone significant is leaving.}
28 Sep 2014 15:10:48
Ed002, you mention Loverpool's bad buys, and I hate to say it, we do seem to spend a lot of money on players that just don't work out. (I know some do but. )
Why?
Quanity more than quality?
Can't attract quality as we Can't/won't pay huge wages?
Poor scouting?
Over paying for average?
{Ed002's Note - The problem was in the owners allowing a series of managers to make changes that, in many cases, were never really going to address the needs at the time. Carroll, Poulson, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Cole, Coates, Adam, Downing, Assaidi, Sahin, Borini, Aspas, Ilori, Alberto, Cissokho, Moses - even before we get to this year's bunch. The players did not rack up large numbers of games and in many cases were fluff on the edge of the squad. Much less money could have been spent on fewer players who could have contributed more.}
Thanks Ed, for the frank and honest answer, bang on in fairness
28 Sep 2014 16:12:15
Ed002. You nailed it. Couldn't agree more
What irritates me however; when the said bunch are criticised, as in the main their limitations were obvious to me, the 'go and support someone else' bunch have a moment of glory and use blind judgement as a vehicle to give them their desired push for the 'fan of the year' accolade.
28 Sep 2014 19:58:40
Ozone.
We are ending 2014 and that should be your post of the year. lols.
There is another famous which only pop ups during transfer window.
". X is past. Y is the Future. "
One among the Y. Suso is heading out.
lols.
28 Sep 2014 14:54:02
I do think that by now BR must realize that Suso should get his chance as he can only do better than Markovic and not worst. I hear the talk of work rate and all sort of bull as excuse why he is not playing but i think that BR needs to swallow his pride a bit and save his job and play anyone who will impact the game as Suso has done in pre-season and his first game for us. The kid has a cool head which Markovic clearly does not also he has vision and just about what we need at the moment. I've seen him play for Almeria and although not the quickest he does have pace its just that he relies on his technique rather than just running beyond people. Give him his chance BR he may save your job which looks to be heading down the dumps.
28 Sep 2014 15:34:00
If Suso Work rate isn't good enough. I wonder how could he be on bench?
Someone is contradicting big time.
28 Sep 2014 13:51:33
Question for Ed1, in your humble opinion, is there much chance br will revert to last season's set up/tactics?
And use the "conserve the energy" tactic on only specific occasions? Or is this it now tactics wise?
{Ed001's Note - I would expect him to revert later in the season as this isn't working.}
In my opinion it will only happen if we get Suarez on loan in January.
We should have just Pedro or Son and partnered one of them with Sturridge. I really do not understand why BR changed a successful system. It would also have allowed the team to use all the raw pace of Sterling, Sturridge and Pedro/Son to devastating effect by pushing the opposition deeper.
Lol. Ken :-)
28 Sep 2014 16:05:35
Indian
Pelle for Southampton. Turning out to be an excellent signing.
What system indian??is it this same diamond we played against westham
28 Sep 2014 18:57:12
Jassie
Playing diamond with Lucas ahead of Gerrard??
Utter poor tactics by our Manager. Could you tell me the reason to play Gerrard at DM and Lucas at advanced CM??
28 Sep 2014 12:30:55
Has anyone ever considered that it's not just the fact that new players need bedding in that we looked disjointed this season ( bar a couple of games ) but the fact that BR feels that we have to change shape, reason being we started getting caught out by teams at the end of last season - pressing us high up with our splitting cb's and leaking goals? Don't forget we are currently without our striking pair from last year who where on top form as well. I personally like the fact that BR is not afraid to try new systems out ( 4 -2 - 3 - 1 yesterday and hope all this critisism won't get to him. Don't forget all the stick he got the first few games he went for a 4 4 2 diamond with Gerrard holding mid, but he stuck with it and the rest is history.
I for one am more than willing to give him a chance to get the team playing the way he wants it to, not sure about the rest you lot
{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't mind that, but surely he should stop the centre backs splitting, as that was the main issue, rather than altering our whole style of play? Our style of play was effective, splitting the centre backs is just idiotic. All it does is invite pressure.}
28 Sep 2014 12:35:10
Cyprus
You would give him a fair chance to alter a winning formula?. lols.
28 Sep 2014 13:52:59
regards the centre backs splitting- they split to far in my opinion, inviting the opposistion to try to press on our dm(sg) and the possibility of mistakes in creases. for me don't split or not as much and mybe we need someone else in the dm posistion, i wouldve suggested, with suarez gone and sturridge injured, something br did at swansea if my memory serves me right, playing one striker up top(balotelli) then the diamond behind, but with a pivitol cmid right in the centre, so maybe lucas at the base, henderson right, lallana left stirling at the top of the diamond and sg right in the middle, pivitol, players all around him, could completley dictate and not really needing lots of legs. even if say ed01 sees the point in that, then when sturrige is fit what then? maybe back to two up top and sg at the top of the diamond, stirling up top with sturridge, can when fit at cdm?
No splitters!
Appreciate the replies, as for your point of altering a winning formula, well yes boom we have to alter it when the only reason we reverted to it in the first place was to accommodate our 2 strikers, which we seem to be missing this season which I'm sure you've noticed. Also you expect the team to concede less goals but when we revert to defensive formation and lose our attacking edge it's still not good enough, matter of fact is we have to find a right balance and that's what I think BR is looking for. As for the CB's splitting I really don't think it's the worst tactic ever, as long as you have composed players playing the ball out of the defence and not just 50 yard crosses in behind their defence, especially now we seem to be lacking the runners, so perhaps with our squad BR should look to a different defensive approach I agree
28 Sep 2014 12:28:34
Shame about the result yesterday but really great to see us looking more comfortable. Lallana is starting to look like the player we bought, for me it all changed when Phil came on, him and Sterling were excellent together. Sturridge is due to come back in, which will take the pressure off Mario. No one was going to be stopping that shot from Phil Jags, what a great goal! The defence was looking much better as well, I'm just massively relieved that their goal was a worldie rather than a scrappy goal conceded as a result of miscommunication and flapping in the penalty area. Would like to see Markovic and Lallana shooting more. I think confidence is growing and will continue to do so. Shaky start to the season from us, but a lot of tough fixtures out the way. I expect us to go on a long winning run soon.
Cheers guys
It was a great strike but we should have a spare man on the edge of the box to block them shots. The headed clearance was always going to fall to an Everton player wasn't it. In that respect I think we were positionally poor so it probably can be counted as a mistake.
28 Sep 2014 13:19:52
1-0 lead is a good as 0-0, You hardly hang up with that lead and Our history says, we haven't won a game with 1-0 lead in past 392 mts of football.
Should ave scored that all important second goal.
28 Sep 2014 12:02:31
ed01 why is it br has changed things from the second half of last season especially? is it just down to losing suarez? i was at the derby yday i thought we were a bit more upto speed, but there were still oppurtunities to go for it and we didn't and ended up paying the price with no time left to go for a winner. we were in the anny rd end 126 fantastic atmosphere.
{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told, he feels that we fell at the final hurdle due to pushing too hard, and he feels we need to be more controlled this season. I can see the thinking, but surely we bought the players to allow those feeling the pace to rest?}
28 Sep 2014 12:23:29
Ed01
What you mean by controlled in the season?
{Ed001's Note - play with more control, it requires less energy than everyone charging around. Theoretically at least, as that supposes you actually have the ball to be controlled. Personally I think a high press is the best way to play, the further up the pitch you can win the ball back the better. The closer you let opponents to your goal, the more dangerous the situation.}
28 Sep 2014 12:32:44
ed01 i can see the point v chelsea and consequently v palace but at this stage of rhe season? and didn't we start in a similar vain then changed things for the same reason, it wasnt working!! i don't see the reasoning and your piont makes it even more puzzling, more players, higher quality, I've used this word a lot over the past month, PUZZLED!! thanks ed01.
{Ed001's Note - exactly, it is very confusing and makes little sense.}
28 Sep 2014 12:37:33
Ed01
Something like pass and move. Keeping the ball for a longer periods?. controlling the game rather than attacking from the word go. Like Arsenal?
Looking to score that perfect goal?
But Don't you think it would take players like Sterling and Markovic out of the equations, because both players biggest asset is their pace?
I might be wrong in my view?
{Ed001's Note - pace is a major asset in that kind of system as it forces the opposition deeper, which allows more space to pass the ball around and control possession.}
28 Sep 2014 12:51:45
Ed01,
If you have seen us playing with pace last season you would dare not change anything one bit from it.
Against Arsenal, Everton, City, Spurs. We were running riot and looks a top class style of play for me.
Our Attacks against Arsenal is a 5mts long video in youtube. I don't understand the need of changing this system
28 Sep 2014 13:54:17
right with you boom
I think it's the loss of Suarez. I don't blame Rodgers, he had no choice in the matter.
28 Sep 2014 15:32:16
Well i think he's just responding to the critics of the defence last year.
Careful what you wish for. Loads of people were moaning about that here and other places.
Instead of praising the attacking play, we've just reverted that way swansea used to play. Loads of possession not much end product. Shame really
28 Sep 2014 16:56:38
Rodgers is right to think we need more control, imo, I've bleated about enough times: we relied on a level of tempo that isn't sustainable for a whole season to get so close last year. I actually think we were at our best in December when Lucas, Allen & Hendo generally weren't giving opposition midfields a kick, rather than in March / April when we were going all out attack.
Problem is, we haven't had that control this year. Apart from maybe yesterday against Everton, but it was too slow, even for a control based approach. Personally, I think it partly comes down to the Gerrard question, he's not suited to being the playmaker because he mentally wired to look for longer passes and balls in behind a lot, rather than the simple one to maintain possession. He'll do it in individual games (like yesterday), but not over a sustained period. He should really be further forward sorting out the final ball, imo.
28 Sep 2014 11:58:36
I actually think it's a bit of a disgrace dropping Kirikou yesterday, I totally support him walking out, neither shouldve been dropped but certainly Lovren played worse in the past 2-3 games.
Lost a little bit more respect for Rodgers.
I don't support him walking out because he's been dropped, but I'm glad he was bothered by it. Shows he cares.
28 Sep 2014 15:41:05
Ken, I see your point but the only way Rodgers will ever take notice is with a more extreme form of protest, I am absolutely disgusted that he got dropped and if I found myself in that position I would do exactly the same thing.
What is it with Rodgers & Skrtel???
Yes I was really angry when sakho got dropped also, the defence always kept clean sheets when he played
I`m a Sahko fan as well BUT saying we kept clean sheets a lot when he played is plain WRONG.You must have missed the Cup gae in idweek or the WH gae at Upton Park where his error led to a third goal Amongst may other NON-clean sheets he`s participated in. He got dropped because HE GOT DROPPED. Coaches make decisions based on what they see in training and the opposition. BR is his coach BUT owes Kirikou NO explanations so your losing respect for BR because he made a decision to drop your fav player is plain childish and immature.
28 Sep 2014 11:57:24
Would just like to say that Lallana is starting to look good. Can't have been easy missing pre season.
He'll be a big player for us this season!
He had a good game, his best yet for the club. Now, he will need to pitch in with goals and assists.
25 million spent on a one season wonder and markovic couldn't beat an egg, 120 million wasted, not one world class player bought in two seasons, suso better than markovic. average manager, average players will finish mid table.
28 Sep 2014 17:49:50
007 what are you on? Give the guys a chance you do realise how many games we have played. Markovic was always going to take time to adjust to the pace. And average manager? Yeah because average managers come second in a league that's regarded as one of the hardest. Sort your head out
Markovic and Lallana have only played 4 games together since they moved yet you give them stick for not being world class. Support the team and players.
28 Sep 2014 09:56:46
The benefits of good coaching even temporary ones showing at West Ham. Teddy Sheringham has been working with their attackers this season and they are looking very good.
Come on BR let's get a great Defensive coach in and look at an attacking coach to work with Mario, Borini, Lambert and the rest, it is not beyond reason that Daniel will get injured again and with FFP rules we won't be splashing the cash in January so we need to get the very very best out of the guys we have to challenge for a top 4 spot and have a respectable UCL run.
Come on Brendan, we are struggling all over the pitch, let's get some great coaches in, it'll make your job easier and hopefully will get us back challenging for the league which is where we should be not mid table struggling for points.
28 Sep 2014 10:12:56
Great point.
highly impressed with Enner valencia. looks a top class player.
28 Sep 2014 10:13:50
Mcgoveb
Our attacking coach last season were Suarez and Sturridge and we never had a defensive coach.
28 Sep 2014 11:32:09
Spot on Harry. Suarez made Brendan think he was Pep.
Not going to happen. BR has a team of coaches, like pretty much every manager, and they don't change that.
AG, isn't that a fault in any manager? Being so arrogant that you can't see your defense is so poor that you won't make the necessary decisions needed.
We were very very poor at the back last season and couldn't defend set pieces at all. Roll on this season and we have the same problem at the back. The saying is no player is bigger than the club but in my opinion and it's only an opinion I believe the managers arrogance in refusing to bring in better coaches will cost the club dearly.
28 Sep 2014 13:18:13
Mcgoveb
One reason for this is not bringing in a top class keeper. A keeper who would command his line well and good. 70% of the average dead ball and Arial threats could be avoided if you have a keeper who would come out and punch the ball in the right situations.
The Reason our defense weren't a big concern last season was due the amount of goals we scored.
We always scored an average of 3+ goals in the first 45 mts making it almost impossible for the opposition to chase down in the second half.
The defense have been same but the goals have dried up.
Boom, I do enjoy reading your posts but I have to say a couple of things.
Firstly I think as fans we all know that Suarez and Sturridge were wonderful and scored lots of goals last season but Suarez is gone so I'm not sure why you bring hos contribution up in so many posts.
Secondly I do agree that a more competent keeper would be great but we don't have one. We need to do the best we can with the players we have so that's why I think a defensive coach is needed.
and I'm not sure about you but I sure as he'll was concerned about our poor defense last season and still to this day don't know why it wasn't fixed with coaching etc last year. We are now in the exact same position defensively a year later and this is the managers responsibility.
Suarez is gone so i think we should leave it at that and discuss and have banter about the squad we have
Board does the hiring and firing as we found out about 2yrs ago.
Brendan has a big say, but if results continue the way they have, his authority will diminish. If the board appoints a defensive coach, Brendan will have to work with them.
"Suarez made BR look like Pep". Dumbest sentence ever. Was LS world class when we got him? NO because if he was, we would not have gotten him for a paltry 23m. He only scored 12 goals and needed 4 cracks to score a goal in 2012. It was BR that made Suarez and not the other way. His fluid style, his signings (Cout and Studge with the emergence of Raheem and Hendo) and his swift counter attacking system that made LS a beast (scoring almost 60 goals in 2yrs, ALL under BR). BR played to his strengths and made him the focal point of our attack. Yeah, BR did ALL of that because the last time I checked, BR is the manager and LS doesn`t coach himself, pick the team, and/or sign the players to play with him. Managers are paid to do all that. So for the clueless fans saying Suarez made BR, I think you all must be either blind, cross-eyed or plain disingenuous because based on the numbers, BR made Suarez the predator and arguably THE best player in the world that he is today. Rant over!
28 Sep 2014 09:15:46
I thought we played really well yesterday. I think we are just finding our way this season. Let's look at the league table around Christmas when I am sure we will be up there. Some very encouraging signs yesterday. Lallana, Gerrard, Lovren, Manquillo and Moreno were all very good. Mario played well and some very good signs from him yesterday.
28 Sep 2014 09:26:19
The best signs till now has been the contribution of two 20 year old Full backs.
They were brilliant. Enjoying their usual natural game without hussle and puffle.
They contribute so much to our attacking dimensions.
28 Sep 2014 09:55:01
Do they really Harry? They playing well but something is still not right. Perhaps they too advanced too early?
28 Sep 2014 10:17:18
Fensh
Exactly. And that's what BR actually wants from his full backs. Offensive full backs are vulnerable to track back.
The only one I remember is Ashley Cole.
Look at Marcelo or Alves.
And there come the importance of a top class DM.
Well said mighty reds, a good assessment of yesterday and where we are at the moment. I think most sensible fans can see the bigger picture and know that long-term we're only going to improve.
Where we are now compred to when Brendan came in is chalk and cheese. We were a shambles when he took over.
Really looking forward to next season when I think we'll be miles better once the new guys have had a season to settle in. Plus Origi looks a really exciting player.
Sadly there's an element out there who want everything yesterday, and they seem to be the ones who bleat the loudest, i'm afraid.
28 Sep 2014 11:27:38
Walton
Loved that sarcasm
Its been 15 long long years. certainly not yesterday. certainly not.
From finishing 2nd and with a blank cheaque of nearly 125 mill. I am disappointed with the position we are now. And trust me there are millions out there who are disappointed.
I hope BR proves me wrong But haven't seen quiet a lot of improvements TBH.
28 Sep 2014 11:30:07
Lalanna and balotelli are really improving sturridge coming bk soon Gerrard scoring again, it took a wonder strike in the last min to undo us I think there's plenty of encouragement in yesterday's game.
I thought well handled Everton really well and didn't look like scoring until that "worldie". Now is that because Everton are really poor or our defence looked better? Time will tell.
The saving grace for me is that our "rivals" have struggled as well. Despite the poor start, we are only 4 points behind 3rd place and 3 behind 4th place.
Now, we have a 4 games coming up in the PL, all of which needs to be wins IMO.
Walton Red, are you saying it will take a whole season for these players to bed in? I don't see the Chelsea players or indeed the Southampton or West Ham players needing any sort of "transition". This excuse has been used one too many times and I don't buy into it anymore.
28 Sep 2014 12:13:31
Walton Red
So already made up our mind to start fresh next season??. lols.
We have spend close to 120 mill and increased our wage bill by rocket high. only expecting to finish in top 4 Else we would be in a much similar position as we were under H&G
28 Sep 2014 12:26:43
Spot on AG. Dead Spot on. couldn't agree more and no more to Transition Excuse.
28 Sep 2014 12:28:48
The Irish
Everton were poor and shocking yesterday, Without Barkley they look ordinary. We should have scored more than last year
Barry should have been sent off at-east 4 times.
They couldn't get pass Henderson in the middle.
Harry, AG, I never said anything about transition. I actually think we'll do well this season when we find our feet. Harry when you compare the current situation to that under H&G, you are embarassing yourself.
I said I think we'll be better next year, which I do, it takes time for youngsters to settle in at massive club. Don't compare our signings' start to those at West Ham and Southampton, that's nonsensical. The pressures and standards required are on a different level.
We have filled a threadbare squad with potentially excellent players, with the likes of Ibe and Origi to come in. What's not to be positive about?
28 Sep 2014 15:29:39
Walton
You aware the Debt the club currently in. That's pretty much the same under H&G.
Threadbare squad? You mean the same threadbare squad BR picked? I mean, he practically replced players he bought with more players because the players he bought couldn't cut it.
Pressures involved much higher? I see you ignored Chelseas' squad. Don't they have preaures?
Chelsea bought stars, with wages to match. We rarely do that anymore. Our bench last season was threadbare, now its not.
{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has the fourth highest EPL wage bill - Liverpool is fifth.}
28 Sep 2014 17:37:36
Some here believes, Salah is paid at 150k and Remy is at 200k. lols.
I would kindly suggest that everyone listen or read what Walton Red is posting because he is embarassing you all w/ the sensible points he`s posting. Our signings need time to blend in and our injured players need to come back healthy in order to judge the team properly. Oh and for the "fan" comparing us to the Saints in terms of how their signings are gelling, if that is your level then go support them because we have higher expectations at LFC than finishing 8th like the Saints did last season. Also, may I remind you that expectations for LFC players are on a much higher level than playing for a midtable club( they were 8th last year which was seen as a great achievevement hence expectations are not high at all playing for the Saints) where your signings have at least 2yrs to blend in w/o anyone in the media or fanbase getting on their backs. But you can always support them now because their second atm and come back to support us when we climb up the table because IMO, we defo will.
28 Sep 2014 20:44:41
Redohio
Well written mate.
You would be surprised to see some here actually are happy to just finish in 4th spot after finishing 2nd last season. A club like Liverpool whose expectations are seen here every day, Giving up the title to Chelsea and City for the next 20 years.
Can you believe, We have already given up the title to City or Chelsea this year.
No one is having a pop at the players nor the club. We are Liverpool and 1 shots on target at home game should be criticized. and rightly so.
The Manager has done quiet a lot of blunders both in transfer market and on the pitch which is reflecting our table.
No offence mate. Peace out.
Thanks Redohio. I honestly believe that the majority of Reds fans, and definately the lads I go to the match and have a drink with, can see things for how they are at the moment.
Sadly, as I posted earlier, it seems to be certain types of negative persons who regularly bleet the loudest, which is frustrating and ultimately, I feel, counter productive.
Harry, how much in wages and transfer fees do you suppose Costa and Fabregas cost? Salah and Remy are not the established stars I was referring to, do you need that pointing out?
Liverpool, I believe, do not have the will to lavish such an outlay on one player anymore, this seems sensible ATM. With these players, and those such as Di Maria, you are almost certainly guaranteed instant success. With youngsters and players taking a step up, it takes time.
28 Sep 2014 22:00:10
Walton
Agreed on the star's wages.
But you do realise we are just below chelsea in wages and our spending in past 3 years have been sky high.
Mate. There are no negative person in the world. some are optimistic and others takes a safe approach.
when something is wrong and continues to be. you tend to poiny out. thers is no shame or harm in it.
I am sure everyone before the kick off each game. Come to this site and wish the lads best wishes.
28 Sep 2014 08:53:17
So, Origi scored again!
Would be nice if we could get him in January, prob not though.
Shame.
28 Sep 2014 09:06:13
And where would he play?. Bench him? We had 2 strikers on bench yesterday and it took 86 mts to bring in one.
Not going to happen. Part of the deal included him staying put for another year. Otherwise, we would have to pay extra.
Harry, if Origi was at LFC right now, i'm pretty sure he would be paired up front with Balo. BR imo does not rate Borini at all, and Lambert is simply a plan B to come on late in a game to change things around a little. For now, Balo is the only first team striker BR has available with DS injured.
28 Sep 2014 10:19:42
Indian
You do realize that Lambert is a decent player. HE IS BLOODY NOT A HEADER SPECIALIST. IF THAT'S WHAT BR CALLS IT AS A PLAN B.
Y do you buy players, If you don't want to play him?
He'd play up top with Mario atm! I seem to remember us having a decent season last year with two up top. Lambert is struggling for form atm, would make sense to me.
Origi will be a beast when he comes here and him playing week in, week out will only do him good. By then, Borini will be gone. N BTW, guess who is keeping Lukaku out of a very talented Belgian team? You guessed it. ORIGI.
28 Sep 2014 08:13:43
The first rule of Chelsea Supporters Club is.
Don't wear your old Man Utd shirt.
28 Sep 2014 08:40:40
Credit to Jose. Mere 3 signings and got dead spot on.
Coutois returns, Felipe Luis, Zouma, Fabregas, Costa, Drogba and Remy.
That is 7 signings Harry. I am going to include "addition" to the list of things you are carp at.
Costa, Fabregas, Courtois, Drogba, Remy, Felipe Luis are all new players to Jose this season. Add to that Matic, Salah, Willian, Eto'o, Schurrle who he has also singned since the start o his new tenure at Chelsea! that's a full team! 11 players Harry.
28 Sep 2014 09:28:58
Do you still have you Torres chelski shirt harry? ;-)
28 Sep 2014 09:31:01
6 signings. and 3 starts right into first team
Both Drogba and Remy were replacement for Torres and Ba. Fillippe luiz for Ashley Cole.
Matic and Salah was signed in Jan to replace Essien and Mata.
28 Sep 2014 09:41:49
Fensh
No. But I had one of Lampard England shirt.
Irish Rover, it is not about how many players Jose has bought since last season. It is about how many have slotted into their team right away without needing time to settle down and have made a major impact. Who cares if he bought a whole team of new players? The important thing is ensuring the club gets a return on the players and Chelsea have done exactly that, while LFC's transfer policy is just s***.
28 Sep 2014 10:07:14
Credit to Jose, didn't take him long to integrate a whole new team.
28 Sep 2014 10:24:24
Apart from Salah. All others have been quiet well at Chelsea given the role they are told to play.
Matic. Costa. Fabrigas. Remy.
They also sold David luiz and replaced with none. We would have bought 3 defenders and loaned 2 of them.
They replaced David Luiz with Zouma. You are making a fool of yourself now lad.
28 Sep 2014 12:31:48
Zouma isn't starting Ryt mate. Nor would be hurried upon unless anything major happens.
But Chelsea did replace a CB (David Luiz) with another CB (Kurt Zouma). Is that clear Harry?
{Ed002's Note - Zouma was already a Chelsea player out on loan. However, Chelsea have been trying to bring in another centre back and were unsuccessful. They will try again next summer.}
28 Sep 2014 13:26:38
All I meant, They bought players and are slotting in rightly. He got it spot on.
He can spot a player with an unlimited budget.
Big deal?
Who knew Costa and Fabregas were good players?
28 Sep 2014 15:32:07
Ken
Seriously. Costa and Fabrigas were Gamble??
Chelsea`s core team have been together for years. They only add 3/4 players and move a few players out per summer. What LFC`s doing now (adding depth), is what Chelsea`s been doing for years albeit w/ diff managers and a seemingly BOTTOMLESS pit of money. Comparing apples w/ oranges is not the best way to make your point, however skewed it might be.
{Ed002's Note - You might want to check on the spending in recent years.}
28 Sep 2014 07:36:55
Hey Eds I was wondering if there were any books or resources you would recommend which look at the tactical side of football and understanding the game whit more depth? Also really appreciate your hard work in running this site.
{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head, the only thing I can think of to do would be to see if you can find clips of old Sky Sports tactical talks that George Graham used to do. They were excellent, very illuminating on positioning of defences in particular. It is difficult, because most of the best coaches don't tend to share details of their tactics, because they might be giving something away. So you need to find stuff they have done while out of work. Bielsa I know gave a lot of tactical seminars while in between jobs recently, Brendan Rodgers attended one which was why we changed our whole style last season, due to the lessons he learnt from the mad genius of Bielsa. If you can find any footage of those, I am sure that would be extremely worthwhile, as he truly is a genius. Other than that, I have yet to read anything I would recommend, but it is difficult to transmit those kinds of ideas without visual aids, especially video clips.}
28 Sep 2014 08:42:18
Ed01. Seems BR has missed the second part of that Seminar. lols.
{Ed001's Note - no, we were excellent last season, it is just a shame he has forgotten the lessons learnt so far this season.}
28 Sep 2014 08:51:14
ED01. Thought the second part was due last month.
We would have walked away with 3 points in both against Everton and Villa, If BR got the starting eleven and style spot on.
He doesn't trust anyone apart Sturridge and that's a signal of worry
{Ed001's Note - Bielsa is now employed, just watch Marseille go and you will see the lessons BR has forgotten this season.}
Given the choice would you swap bielsa for rodgers?
28 Sep 2014 09:59:38
Ed01, You to reply.
{Ed001's Note - I would swap almost any manager for Bielsa, and Rodgers would defo be in that bunch. Bielsa is probably the best around for playing attractive football.}
28 Sep 2014 16:13:11
Rudi Garcia for me. He's doing a great things in Italy!
He is also a complete wacko who says and does what he wants and if he doesn`t get his way, he will just get up in the morning and leave the club in one whiff. In fact, he`s had massive issues w/ the club president at Marseilles to the point that he almost quit hence, I would neve swap him for BR even though he plays attractive footie. I would know Ed, I`m a Marseille fan.
Ed I share your admiration for Biesla. He is a tactical genius. He sees things way before anyone else can. Still surprised he hasn't managed Barcelona yet, absolutely perfect for them.
28 Sep 2014 01:48:13
Markovic needs to bulk up same as Sterling has, he gets pushed off the ball too easily, and he needs to be played in his best position.
28 Sep 2014 06:42:04
What's his best position? He's always played on d wings for Benfica. Or u mean Sterling should be pushed out wide to play Markovic thru d middle?
28 Sep 2014 08:04:21
Celstyn
Wasn't Sterling a winger? So where is he playing now.
Markovic should be played through the middle.
That's what happens when you buy raw and not a finished product.
28 Sep 2014 09:31:57
How many can we play in the middle? Is that not part of our problem getting shut out at home cause we don't stretch teams enough?
28 Sep 2014 09:43:58
Fench
Y not buy some experienced players?
Markovic would need time. Do we have it?
28 Sep 2014 09:57:49
Personally I would have spent all the Suarez money on Di Maria. Just needed Moreno in addition and a new keeper.
28 Sep 2014 10:28:31
Fensh
Personally I would have bought a world class striker who scores those vital goals on a very bad day.
A relaible and trust worthy name who would bring that fear factor on to the pitch which would help others to play their natural game.
Sterling is being put with huge amount of pressure to make things happen. he would burn out soon.
What striker would that have been? There are few out there, that are available and would move to us, that fit into your description. What you're after is another Suarez - sadly he is one of a kind.
28 Sep 2014 00:18:21
Ballotelli. He put in a shift today yeah, but if it wasn't him no one would mention it. Unlucky with the crossbar chance, slight touch from Howard but it was s difficult chance, even though it was close in! But he's had 4/5 games now and everyone's getting on his back! No way is he the same player that left city. His touch is coming back, he's s few brilliant ones and boy can he strike a ball! Just get that extra yard of pace to find discs and a bit of composure and he'll be firing them in! I think playing with Sturridge might help too, allow a bit more space for him! Still expecting good things!
28 Sep 2014 08:05:50
Relying on Sturridge and claiming we ain't a one man team.
Goshhhh. This page would go upside down if Sturridge gets another injury.
28 Sep 2014 18:07:48
I'm far from convinced mate. He takes 3 or 4 chances to score, and we are not creating that many chances.
I also felt he spent more time on the ground yesterday than he did with the ball at his feet.
Harsh Dave Balotelli worked real hard and did get himself into dangerous positions countless times - its the first game he's played for us that didn't leave me feeling underwhelmed by his performance: what I hope is that he can improve his performances and maintain a high standard throughout the season. Too early to say whether he will be able to do that though - he has the talent though that's for sure.