Liverpool Banter Archive November 28 2017

 

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28 Nov 2017 21:42:56
Right football couldn't be summed up better in this quote.

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"I really really really hate to say this but is this the end for poch at Spurs? "

Is this a joke. Like honestly. Champions league regulars, and now potential group winners. A title challenge. Ok players turned into absolute super stars. A team going no where now entering elite realms within the prem. Omg. I can't believe that got posted hahaha.

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28 Nov 2017 22:11:45
I think the guy might have a point. Poch built a cracking side 2 years ago and they were genuine contenders to Leicester. Last season though they may have finished 2nd, but they never looked like genuine contenders.

Poch has signed dross like Wanyama, Sissoko, Aurier, Nkoudou, Sanchez etc. He's hacking apart a great team and trying constant changes in his formation and tactics and it is killing them. They're now boring and inconsistent. When he gets it right they're great, but when he gets it wrong they just look decent. I don't know why he keeps signing players who are strong or fast but have no actual quality.

I think Poch has taken them as far as he can and now he is desperately trying to go one step further, but has ran out of ideas. He's done a great job though, and it's possible that it is Spurs holding back Poch than vice versa. Whichever it is, Poch doesn't look capable of winning trophies at Tottenham and Tottenham don't look capable of winning trophies with Poch.

I predicted before the season that Spurs and Arsenal would be the teams to miss out on the top 4. I thought Spurs had proved me wrong when they started winning at Wembley, but they've only gone and gotten all Spursy and bottled it 4 months earlier than normal!


28 Nov 2017 22:12:59
Like how? I am a fan of Poch. But it’s november 28 and they are left with only FA cup to play for! Title is out of hands now. By tomorrow they might slip down to 7th place. They won’t win the CL and FA cup is anybody’s game.
I am sorry but a manger is judged by trophies unless he is Mr klopp. He works under levy on a modest budget is his best advantage!


28 Nov 2017 23:05:27
I agree with MK on this but I’d like to add they rely way, way, way too much on Kane. Let’s not forget Poch was the guy who refused to play Kane initially preferring Soldado until fan pressure got to him.
They have a bigger problem though and that is Kyle Walker. Allowing him to leave for City was a huge mistake in my view and will see their team fall apart. You can imagine the banter going back and forth about what he’s doing and the money he’s earning. Sooner or later they will all want a bit of that and Spurs won’t give it to them. We’ve already seen Rose piping up and Ali seems to being readying himself for a move. Even Kane will go if he’s not earning the money he deserves as one of the best strikers in the world and who can blame him?


29 Nov 2017 00:54:12
i think pooch is the best manager thwy can have. yes a manager is judged on tropies but who is available out there who will go to spurs and guarantee a trophy. no one. Winning the prem you have to invest and have the best players and get lucky too. Leicester was an exception to be honest. Can our manager guarantee trophies or build a side better than spurs with the limited budget pooch has? i 100% doubt it. so based on the last few games if pooch should get the boot then Kloop should too.
Levy is very smart bussinessman he will not sack pooch as pooch is good in developing youngster and then they will sell them for profit and if he can get them CL every year then that's guaranteed revenue too.


29 Nov 2017 03:07:06
How amusing that the OP bemoans fickleness of modern football supporters and the the subsequent posters show their fickleness. Pochettino is a superb manager who has done a brilliant job at Spurs and is going through his first sticky spell in 3 years, barring a couple of terrible misses they would have beaten Leicester. Yes Spurs probably can’t win the league, guess what neither can about 18 other teams now. Spurs, like Liverpool are never going to have instant success, it has to be built over time.


29 Nov 2017 03:58:47
Spurs has not won a league title in over 55 years while Liverpool in over 26 years. Over time! 😆😆😆😆. The mantra is simple! Invest heavily and sustain the success! Chelsea and City are prime examples, who will not fall off from their current regime!


29 Nov 2017 05:49:30
Yes Harry you are probably correct the best way to achieve success is to spend more money than anyone else, however most clubs are unable to spend £200 million in one summer, therefore these clubs need to find another way to try to be successful. It’s not a level playing field, therefore we shouldn’t hold the likes of Klopp and Pochettino to the same expectation as Guardiola and Conte.


29 Nov 2017 06:35:14
I think this little run is proving that he relies on Alderweireld as much as he relies on Kane.


29 Nov 2017 07:19:13
Smeg, he's a great manager. I didn't dispute that.

However, he has hit a ceiling at Spurs and they are now going backwards. He built a world class team, and as it ages and gets dismantled, he is replacing people with bang average players due to a lack of funds.

It was okay to slowly build a team to get to where they are, but now he's losing his best players, he needed to replace them with people of equal quality to stay where they are. That is simply impossible with the financial constrictions at Spurs. Harry Kane is a £300k a week, £200m striker. Poch will get £40m and £100k a week to replace him though. It's not possible.

Spurs could still win a domestic cup, but Pochettino isn't interested in them. He wants the League or CL.

Give Spurs a manager like Dyche and i reckon they'll win a domestic cup.

Give Poch and team like Real Madrid and i reckon he'll win the CL.

The Poch-Spurs thing has gone stale though. If you were a Spurs fan would you rather finish top 4 every year and never win a thing? Or finish top 6 every year and win the odd trophy? No brainer for me, as Trophies are everything.


29 Nov 2017 07:51:24
This is the irony of this debate. Poch, a very good manager who has won nothing in his career, is considered a great manager and by some, a better manager than our own JK who actually has a pretty loaded trophy cabinet. That can definitely not be right, logically. The same people who say that trophies are the best way to judge a manager, also say that a manager who has won nothing is better than one who actually has, based on their careers. Another illogical conclusion. A manager that has won nothing simply CANNOT be considered as great, simple. That makes NO sense but anyway, I digress.

As for Poch, I think MK and some others are too quick to jump on the Poch is finished rhetoric as to me, all they are having now is a wobble. We had a wobble ourselves last Jan/ Feb and this season and that did not stop us from making CL or gaining 10 out of 12 points of late. Let's wait and see if this continues before we draw conclusions. I do think that Spurs lacks depth and Poch only has one way of playing and does not know how to/ want to change things when things up tactically. As for who will win what if given this or that team, no one really knows so to me, that is a non debate. We shall see what happens to Spurs going forward esp. with some of their star players (Toby, Rose) don't wanna play there anymore, it seems.


29 Nov 2017 09:03:27
Poch is tactically a very good manager and better than Klopp! Poch needs money! Spurs need money! Unfortunately his hands are tied and he need to work inside a very tight budget at spurs which will always derail his title challange. They have a very good first 11 but a relatively poor bench! They are the next Arsenal. Build a brand new stadium lol!

You can't blame some fans who are sick and tired of watching them winning nothing year in year out. Not everyone are liverpool supporters.

A manager is judged by trophies. Period! Not by the goals his side scores, Not by the goals his side concede. It’s trophies and only trophies!

It’s no irony. Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool will always have to contain with chasing 4th place trophy while City, Chelsea and UTD will always be mentioned in the title chase!


{Ed001's Note - if he is so tactically good, why has he been undone by the likes of Puel this season? Why does such a great manager keep leaving Dembele on the bench while picking donkeys like Sissoko who have all the defensive ability of a 5 year old child? Why did he buy the world's most overrated defender in Davison Sanchez and continue to pick him as first choice, despite him being terrible defensively? Poch is ok, but he needs to win something, instead of his team folding every time they get within reach of a trophy to be considered great.}

29 Nov 2017 09:08:34
My best mate is a Spurs fan and he still thinks Poch is taking spurs forward. I think he's got as close to success as possible and now the team will disintegrate as his star players seek the wages they're worth.


29 Nov 2017 09:22:06
I don’t know why he refuses to chose Dembele. ( his injury might be one reason ) He doesn’t last 90 mts. How ever I agree he is the best midfielder at Spurs. Spurs are certainly missing Toby and Llorente has been a flop. Sanchez is ok. He is young and would improve. Aurier is crap. I don’t know who calls the shot in signing players.
Poch is good but he needs to win which he won’t, hence spurs fans are not happy!


29 Nov 2017 18:14:04
Ar no ed. He's an absolute beast of a manager.

What he has done with the budget and players at his disposal is simply fantastic.

His champions league qual coming against trams spending 70+ mil per year and more. Whilst he gets a pittance.

They had mane at the training ground when we signed him but levy won't break the wage structure so they couldn't get him. Signing players like sanchez was because he is playing a back 3 and wants an anchor, he wasn't signed for his defensive qualities aka a carra but more his sweeping qualities. Pace and passing. He plays sissoko for his energy up and down the park.

He has bought players like wanyama and achieved 2nd in the league.

He gave kane his chance. Yrs kane took it but he gave It, how many managers give therre young players a shot.

That year he also gave mason and bentaleb there debs.

He also turned walker into a 50 million pound player.

You forget the only real players he has fought in his proper starting 11 is, alderwiereld, wanyama, ali and son.

Now that's a proper coach, who doesn't need his 'own' players. That team that is now so good was absolutely dog before him.

I think he's brilliant but just suffering from lack of transfer options.

Imagine they had got mane last year and salah this year. If the money and wages had been spent. There already a different propersition.


{Ed001's Note - sounds like lots of excuses for mediocrity there. Also a load of crap about turning Walker into anything, the transfer market's inflation turned him into a £50m player, not Poch. Wanyama is dog turd. Sorry but Poch is nothing special until he wins something and stops buying crap like Sanchez, Wanyama and Sissoko to replace quality players. You are just another Harry, with the grass is greener syndrome.}

29 Nov 2017 20:25:57
Top - one small clarification. Im pretty certain it was Sherwood who gave Kane his chance not Poch. i do like the way he has setup his team so they know their roles and cover for each other (some of our players could do with learning that) . Do worry that his teams do seem to let pressure get to them. Not sure if that is down to him or that his players don't have the mental strength to push on and win trophies. Im going to wait and see how he handles this "slump".


28 Nov 2017 21:34:10
We need to Capitqlize tomorrow. Spurs are losing at Leicester.

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28 Nov 2017 20:13:48
Richarlison of Watford looks like a very promising player, first season in the premier league, settled well, scores and assists, I'd be happy if we looked at him over Draxler or Meyer to be honest.

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28 Nov 2017 20:55:20
Does he work hard enough?


28 Nov 2017 21:44:20
Most tackles in the attacking third in prem I think. Some stat like that came out. Not bad.


28 Nov 2017 21:57:47
He's 20 years old in a mid table team. Put him in a top 6 side and I think he will be a cracking player! Some people get caught up who the player plays for. Watford/ PSG this guy is close to getting called up to the Brazil squad. Good in the air, pace, skill, can beat a man, scores and assists, not sure what there is to dislike?


28 Nov 2017 23:01:25
You guys are looking at the wrong player. I simply love Doukhoure. The guy is simply amazing and would be great for us as he is the type of two-way CM that Klopp likes and can score goals as well. He bossed Pogba all night tho, that is not hard to do if he could not even get a kick vs the mighty Brighton. Doukhoure is who I would get from Watford. Richarlison would not start ahed of Mane and Salah at LFC and we already have Ox for depth on both flanks.


29 Nov 2017 10:26:32
I agree with the OP that Ricarlison has been setting the PL on fire this year, just not sure where Klopp would fit him in. Doucoure has also come on leaps and bounds, I rate Marco Silva.


29 Nov 2017 10:42:40
Silva should stay a year or two at watford but he could genuinely be a manager destined for some big roles.


28 Nov 2017 18:51:58
Massive fan of this site. Read it daily. It's like crack, so addictive.

I have a question for the Eds. I don't understand why we don't put men on the posts when defending corners, it seems common sense as we always concede from corners. Is there a reason for this?

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{Ed001's Note - it is the modern thinking, very few teams do so now, it frees up an extra player or two to mark zones in the area. Personally I think a player on the post is of more use, but very few modern coaches agree for some reason. You would think with no one leaving players up field any more they would have at least one spare to cover a post!}

28 Nov 2017 20:10:15
so many shots from corners head towards the corner. makes you wonder if there is any use having that extra player marking a zone aye? doesn't seem to stop the headers lol!


28 Nov 2017 20:16:55
Wouldn't leaving players upfield make the opposition drop players to cover them as well?


28 Nov 2017 21:32:06
Put one player on the near post and one player just outside the box, in case of a pass or clearance, that would cover quite a bit .


28 Nov 2017 21:33:49
Pet hate of mine blossom, how many defenders would the opposition need to cover Mane and Salah sat on the half way line whilst they take a free-kick/ corner,4would be my guess.


28 Nov 2017 21:46:23
Ed why do they being everyone back.

This night be abit simple but I was always coaches and brought to understand that if you leave a striker up then two defenders must stay back, 2 strikers and 3 defenders

We never leave someone on the half way line. What good is salah in the box. Stick him in the circle. And there is no way he's getting left. Either target him with a header or a soon as we can get migs the ball he can attempt to hit him straight on the break.


{Ed001's Note - I have no idea why teams now bring everyone back. It is ridiculous if you ask me.}

28 Nov 2017 23:04:40
Spot on, TB and Ed. Normally, the player who is too short to mark someone in the box, is the one either outside the box on the D or up front for the counter. Same with having players on each post, these are the fundamentals of football and the last time I saw two men on the posts was in the last friendly btw Nigeria and Argentina where there was a Nigerian defender on each post on every corner with also players outside the box ready to break. Again, football is a simple game, made complicated by control freaks who parade themselves as managers.


29 Nov 2017 06:19:34
Agree Anfieldblossom. I always leave one player on the last defender and another in the middle of our half. I had a parent one time come and tell me I should get them both in the box (think he watches lots of telly) . I said "OK, watch this. " Next corner I sent them both back. What happened? 2 of the opposition just followed them into the area.


29 Nov 2017 08:57:00
Thanks for the replies!
Especially since were that strong on the counter it would definitely relieve pressure when defending against set pieces.


29 Nov 2017 10:20:17
I think the no one on the post may have something to do with ridiculous offside rules these days and it is just one more thing to confuse the officials with is he or isn't he offside?

Personally as a former very average GK the guys on the post can help but if they ae not disciplined in their positioning can also be a problem for the keeper. However I do think the offside is more relevant these days.


29 Nov 2017 20:37:32
From memory when Mourinho was running RM, he used to have one player defending short corners (who would be ready to bomb forward if opposition didn't take short corner) and 2 just on edge of box. All 3 would be ready to counter. They had so much speed that teams had to either leave players back or mark them. If they marked them then their superior speed would invariably lead to a counter attacking goal. Either way it took a lot of pressure of corners.
Personally I think a guy on far post is not that valuable. If you have one there then his job should be to look for and deal with players who make late runs at far post. Near post is worth it but only if he is good at anticipating the ball and so helps out if ball is directed short for a flick on.
In the end what you really want are defenders who attack the ball instead of watching it. Our biggest problem seems to be players are hoping someone else will sort it out (or too busy trying to work out whos responsibility it is if the ball hits a certain "zone") rather than being the solution.


28 Nov 2017 18:17:50
Cue the outrage- I know he was a disaster off the pitch for us with his antics and foolishness with diet pills but with all the misery amid centre backs and overrated purchases, anyone think we could have handled sakho better. I say this because yep, he really had/ has problems but as a player I feel we would have been far better this season with him at the back if he was fit. Just seems that klopp had enough with his attitude- fair enough but is klopp not supposed to be an excellent man manager? Could he not have worked with the lad. Personally before the pills fiasco, I was a huge fan. He was certainly ungainly in appearance but read the game far better than what we have for us know. This isn't knocking klopp- I just wonder where we'd be if he'd handled things differently.

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28 Nov 2017 18:39:17
sakho has lot of passion, big heart, i like him, but he lacks capacity. he lost his mind very often, and we need someone like Carragher, Hippya. A tough CB who can defend, organize his players, and brave against strikers.
I hope Van Dijk or someone better than him comes in january, and most important, this team NEEDS a Defensive Midfielder. Because of this is why our CB´s aren't good enough. They need support. Neither Henderson, Can, are DM. hopefully Goretzka can come in january. saludos.


28 Nov 2017 18:42:47
I have to say I agree with you, but I would go a bit further tbh. He is way better than all of our CB's and I find it hard to imagine exactly what he must have done to be sent packing like that. Surely it can't just be for being late a few times and such. If we were mown out with good cb's then fair enough, but we have been kind of desperate in that department, partly because Klopp banished him.

I hope there is some other reason for the whole saga, cus from where I am sat it's like having a porsche in the garage but choosing to cycle to work in the rain.


28 Nov 2017 20:13:10
I think you're suffering from a case of lusting after that you don't have.
Sakho was no better than what we have currently. people really forgot how terrible he was, but again I think it becomes more about fans looking for any alternative rather than the right choice.

In terms of being an excellent man manager, it doesn't mean that Klopp has some kind of magic wand that turns around every relationship he has. Sakho was here for ages before he was cut, maybe the wick ran dry. for me, if it gets to that point then fair play to klopp and co.


28 Nov 2017 21:35:09
Klopp won't tolerate any player with a big ego or bigger than him .


28 Nov 2017 23:12:01
Happy and OP, Klopp has an ego. So what? You think Pep and Mou and Wenger don't? But it's ok for them to have one and not be challenged BUT Klopp should not? Nonsense. Tell me, so you are fine with a player who continues to disrespect the manager's orders, turns up to meetings and meals late, causes unrest in the DR and trashing the manager on social media? If that is fine with you then okay. Klopp does not have to ascribe to any of that nonsense. Also, take this from a Sahko fan. He is NOT as good as many think he is and NEVER was. He was part of the defence that conceded 150 goals in his 3 seasons here and unlike your Klopp gave him ample chances to redeem himself by asking him to go out on loan to get games at Stoke and WBA BUT he refused and chose to stay w/ the U23's.

For someone who was in the dog house, he showed no remorse for his actions and took no responsibility for them. Had he knuckled down and did a Moreno, he's prolly still be here. That is HIS fault and no one else's.


28 Nov 2017 23:19:22
Sakho was better than what we have, but not by much. Whatever he did he must regret it as I doubt he’ll play for a top club again. Shame.


28 Nov 2017 23:23:04
Nick, we know what happened btw Klopp and Sahko as the Ed's kept us informed. So sick and tired of people always taking the players' side of things. It is for the same pathetic reasoning that many would still take Suarez back even tho in some way, he cost KK his job and dragged ours and his name thru the gutter BUT it's okay cos he can can play. Aubameyang is giving BVB hell on a daily basis and they are fed up with him. Do you want him too?

Sahko was an unrepentant and un-remorseful bell and got exactly what his shameless actions deserved. For me, it is not the dumb things he was doing. It was the fact that he was doing them in public and showed no intention of mending his ways and trying to make it back onto the manager's good graces. Klopp is a strict disciplinarian and does not take crap from anyone who continuously disrespects him on social media and flouts his orders and why should he? To please an average CB who is as error prone as the rest of them? Pep, Poch, Wenger and Fergie get hailed for their discipline BUT everything changes when it is Klopp, right?

If people like Sahko so much (and they talk like he was Paolo Maldini or some crap) then Palace and their fan base will be happy to have you. I commend Klopp for dealing w/ Shko appropriately cos we cannot have such players causing havoc in the DR.


29 Nov 2017 06:46:04
Sakho was captain at PSG. He had issues with his attitude there and got sold to LFC. He had attitude problem with Rodgers and was on the verge of being bombed out at LFC.
Then Klopp came and gave him another chance. He took it and played well, he was our best defender for a while.
Then he failed a drugs test and was left out of the side for some key matches. He was exonerated after UEFA admitted they had messed up and the drug wasn't on their banned list - it was on WADA.
Then Sakho turned up late for the pre-season tour and apparently had attitude problems on the tour.

I'm sorry, blaming Klopp and saying he could have handled it better is burying your head in the sand. Like Ballotelli, these are talented players who are totally unmanageable and will not bring you sustained success at a club.
Good luck to Sakho at Palace, but I can't see him staying there long term.


29 Nov 2017 10:44:48
Ron, whilst I agree with your general point summarised at the end - what Klopp did do was make selling Sakho very difficult, getting our asking price for him even more so and turning a character who was a clown behind the scenes into a media circus. Should the outcome have been different? Probably not. But that doesn't mean the road Klopp took to the outcome was the best one avaliable.


29 Nov 2017 13:44:21
Hijkle, I disagree. If anyone made it a media circus, it was Sahko. It was not Klopp who was mouthing off on social media, doing that dis respectful handshake with Benteke (who can do what he likes as he was no longer an LFC player) while being an LFC player nor playing pranks when Klopp was doing a presser in the States on tour. This was all Sahko and Klopp had to act as Sahko had put him on blast publicly so he had to comment on things when asked. Klopp had nothing to do with it. The road Klopp took to getting rid of Sahko is the one Sahko chose all by himself. It is ALL his fault.


28 Nov 2017 17:59:48
Where can I listen to the latest Sharkopod?
The latest edition on YouTube is 6 months old.

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{Ed033's Note - The latest Liverpool Sharkopod

27 Nov 2017 22:51:08
Eds,

January is fast approaching. I know it is notoriously hard to sign decent players in the window but are we looking to strengthen positions other than CB?

VVD has been done to death but any prospects of Goretzka or another midfield given Can looks like he is going?

Any other info would be much appreciated as always.

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Try the Sharkopod.}

28 Nov 2017 23:34:51
Ed002, would it be possible to get a play list for your sharkopods? i love the song choice.


{Ed002's Note - You would need to hit me next week and I will figure it out - I am on the road this week.}

28 Nov 2017 08:17:13
How do you know they were attainable?

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28 Nov 2017 08:40:43
That must be the question of the day. Makes a change from Harry and Meghan!


28 Nov 2017 12:06:05
By submitting an offer, By enquiring with the club or the agent, you ll come to know if they are attainable or not.
Precisely by Making an effort!


28 Nov 2017 17:59:11
I know who Harry is BUT who's Meghan?


{Ed001's Note - didn't you hear the big news? Harry got engaged to Meghan a day or two ago. I was surprised he was so famous though, I thought his fame was just on here. Which reminds me congrats Harry and the best of luck with your wedding mate.....}

28 Nov 2017 20:15:32
Meghan loves the fact that harry never changes his mind and is always spot on with his predictions
Apparently he camped out in meghans dundgeon to whoo her, just like he tried with ed001
Ed001 isn't so loose as meghan and although harry played all his moves, including “the brown tie”, ed001 didn't fall for him.


28 Nov 2017 23:23:54
Well in that case, Congrats Harry and welcome to the club.


29 Nov 2017 06:47:22
Punching WAY above your weight Harry.


29 Nov 2017 17:00:17
Noooooooo Harry is mine.


{Ed025's Note - i can only say he has played both of us then walter, i thought me and harry had something special but it turns out i was just a plaything, i know how diana felt now when she heard about camilla mate...gutted..

28 Nov 2017 08:16:50
Who are these bunch of defenders? Man u couldn't find one, City couldn't find one, Spurs didn't find a good one.

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28 Nov 2017 08:44:23
United did found one in Bailley. Moreover they have a DM infront of their defense as a protection. Spurs already had the best core in the league plus they play Dier as a protection. Chelsea’s bought one and a DM in the summer. City are an exception, But they are so strong going forward teams are afraid to attack them!
We on the other hand neither bought one not signed a DM to cover our defense!


28 Nov 2017 09:04:11
Well said Harry.


28 Nov 2017 11:35:09
This time, I'm with Harry.

There is definitely a shortage of good centre backs available, but Mo Salah and Naby Keita weren't available either. So what did we do? Move heaven and earth to make a deal happen and break our transfer record twice.

There was £50m available to sign Van Dijk if we hadn't enraged Southampton.

Nobody can sit there and tell me for definite that wouldn't have landed Koulibaly, Christenson, Rudiger, De Vrij, Glik, Hoedt, Giminez, Bonucci, Howedes etc if we'd shown a serious interest. Availability is irrelevant. Coutinho wasn't available but big transfer fees and contracts change minds. We made no concerted effort to sign anybody other than Van Dijk and that is quite simply, negligence.

Money talks. We had money. Klopp and the rest of the people involved made a costly mistake.


{Ed025's Note - agreeing with harry MK...wonders will never cease.. :)

28 Nov 2017 11:42:54
As the saying goes Ed025; even a closet Chelsea fan is right twice a day 😉.


{Ed025's Note - broken clocks might MK but im not sure about closet chelsea fans mate.. :)

28 Nov 2017 12:09:00
Harry spot on there.


28 Nov 2017 13:13:18
Been saying this for ages, Klopp not being interested in chasing any other CB, s does not mean they were and are not available. Who’d have though Neymar was available until PSG blew football transfers into orbit. As MK said we were told There was no chance of getting Naby but we did. I put a decent list in before the window closed including some of the above and was told they would be impossible to get, what nonsense, how does anyone know unless you make the approach.
Then we had the hourly abuse of certain fans who asked for a midfielder to help protect the defense seeing as the manager wouldn’t take anyone other than VVD. The amount of abuse one particular fan took was unbelievable, how could anyone doubt the great Klopp. Now I read a lot of the same guys agreeing with that fan.
We have a scintillating attack up there with City’s but unfortunately we still haven’t improved the defense. With Klopp being lauded for our attacking prowess then surely he should be getting a kick in the arse for his negligence in defense and goal keeping, fair is fair after all.
A good lesson for all here, don’t abuse other fans for their opinions especially when they explain them so well, coz you never know when you could be eating humble pie.
Let’s all just hope that the management team can get us to January and then hopefully make a change or two that stops the capitulations and gets us much harder to score against.


28 Nov 2017 13:36:56
If the club had made more efforts to bring in a CB, we would have got one. This obsession with VVD needs to stop. We made a pathetic offer for Koulibaly that should have been followed up with an improved offer, and we would have had one of the best CB's in the world at our club now. Manolas, De VRij, Gimenez etc. All attainable options if the money was stumped up and considerably cheaper than the overrated VVD.


28 Nov 2017 14:02:23
its not the clubs mistake, if someone has to be blamed its Kloop. he failed to recognise the urgent need to make the defence stronger. he put all his eggs in one basket and chased only VVD and that to illegaly. he was the one you decieded to give Ming and Lovren new contract when we should have been finding their replacement a year or do back. the club as a whole is behind their manager and supports him completly, it is Kloop who has done all this mess.
he is one who decieded that we do not need a decicated Dm. he is the one who is playing player out of position. Hendo is not Dm, Wini is not box to box, milner is not a Cm. i will agree with each and everyone of you that if you show ambition and convince any player will come to us. and for **** sake we are LFC all we need to do is sell them on the project we have. Kloop has to take a lot of blame


28 Nov 2017 15:54:13
I think VVD could be the final piece of the Man City jigsaw, get VVD in and replace him with Kompany and they'll be some force. Probably end up at Liverpool, but City would be a sensible move for him. Guaranteed Champions League football every season. Higher salary than Liverpool would offer and will challenge for major trophies.

Saying that I'd bet there will be several top clubs trying to sign him this summer. Barcelona, Real Madrid, City, Chelsea, Juventus and others. Even though his personality is questionable at best.


28 Nov 2017 18:10:11
Klopp may want VVD BUT he is littered with flaws. Just look at the las t game at Anfield. Had any of our CB's played the way VVD had, he would have been rightly slaughtered for it. But cos it's VVD, he mostly got a pass.

As for CB's coming or not coming in, We will never know why one was not gotten, IMO. De Vrij was just coming from injury and is known to be injury prone so I get that. KK was a good shout and we did bid for him BUT did not follow up with another one as it was not enough. We don't know why that did not happen. The likes of Manolas (per Ed01) was seen as walking red card. Personally, not sold on Rudiger as he is not the leader we need as Azpi is the leader in Chelsea.

All in all, I'm with Ed01 on this one. VVD was who Klopp wanted and would not settle for stop gaps. We can disagree on that BUT I understand his thinking. Matip was a stop gap and we are seeing how that is working out now. Spurs' Sanchez was not the answer either as we can see as he is a young player still learning. We don't need those cos we already have Gomez learning as we speak. People can slate the CB's till their blue in the face. Our issues currently are no longer there atm.

They are in midfield where we are out of sorts and 3 (Wiji, Cou and the bang awful Milner) are not pulling their weight, leaving Hendo to do all their jobs for them and offer no cover to the defence. Doesn't matter who you have at CB, if you have poor performing mids like we have now, you'll still be screwed.


29 Nov 2017 06:49:20
"Kloop" 😄
Sack him/ her.


Premier League Match Preview Tuesday 28th November 2017

28 Nov 2017 06:31:36
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Tuesday 28th November 2017

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28 Nov 2017 02:34:48
Question for anyone who has seen Ojo play recently:
Does the kid have what it takes to play for LFC and challenge the likes of Mane and Salah? I know he can score and runs at defenders but is he known for putting in shifts to help out the midfield?
And what about Kent?
If the loan moves actually benefit these two, I would hold off splurging big money on Lemar or Draxler next summer to actually give these kids a shot at challenging Mane and Salah for the wide positions.

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28 Nov 2017 06:07:47
It's a tough topic this one because until both Ojo/ Kent are given a subsequent time in the first 11 then I don't think we'd find out but there no doubting both there quality in the attacking 3rd but after watching both I'd say Kent has the better work ethic in terms of getting back and helping defense. When it comes to both Lemar and Draxler I wouldn't hold off splurging big money on either of those 2 simply because they can both play in a number of positions, in the 3 in midfield either side, in the hole behind the striker on out wide in the attacking 3 which would suit us massively. But if we were looking at a player that identified themselves solely in 1 position then I would hold off because of the players like you say we have within the ranks i. e Kent and Ojo.


28 Nov 2017 09:05:45
Basically no. Which is very unfortunate. Just my opinion of course.


29 Nov 2017 10:50:58
The likes of Mane especially cannot play 70 games a season (with internationals), they will have injuries and need resting and using properly. The likes of Ojo and Kent may not be good enough to mount a genuine challenge for their spots, certainly not yet. But with a bit of coaching and game time, they will be as good as anyone we can buy to provide that back up considering how slim the chance of buying someone who can compete with those two is. And when Mane and Salah are hitting the 30's and becoming injury prone and losing pace (maybe) by that time Ojo and Kent (and Woodburn and Wilson) will be hitting their prime and might have the ability to take the mantle over.


28 Nov 2017 01:40:53
If you can, check out the U23 game against Everton. The third goal in particular is a lovely example of a team goal finished off with a cracker of a shot from Brewster.

Believable4 Unbelievable0

28 Nov 2017 06:09:21
It's only a matter of time before Rhian gets a spot on the bench surely! It's unfortunate we went out of the Carabao cup so early otherwise he'd be in around that team 100%.


28 Nov 2017 08:20:47
Solanke has only played 84 minutes in the premier league this season, we also have Ings who is wanting to return and Sturridge seems to be the player given the minutes when Firminho isn't playing. Brewster is 4th or 5th choice at the mo and unfortunately minutes up top for LFC are sacred at the moment.


28 Nov 2017 13:39:12
Brewster will get his chance soon enough. Sturridge and one of Origi/ Ings will be gone in the summer so we have Firmino, Solanke, Ings and Brewster as our forward options for next season. A few matches in the domestic cup would be good experience for a 17 year old.


 
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