Liverpool Banter Archive November 28 2016

28 Nov 2016 20:52:59
I'm not buying into this media meltdown about Coutinho being out. Our best offensive display in my opinion actually came against Leicester with Sturridge, Firmino and Mane up top.

Even when Mane goes in January, has anybody else noticed in their brief cameos together how good Origi and Sturridge link up? Imagine their flair with Firmino's genius and industry!

Ahh, the beauty of having a ridiculously good squad. Not even mentioned Woodburn, Wilson, Oki or Ejaria!

28 Nov 2016 21:15:15
I love people slowly twisting their tongue pining hopes on Sturridge lol. The same Sturridge who wasn't good enough for the people not do long ago. Would Klopp change his system to fit in the lazy Sturridge?
Time will tell.

28 Nov 2016 21:16:39
Or Grujic.

28 Nov 2016 21:19:50
My confidence is not shaken one bit by these injuries. Kloppo is building a team. We don't rely on individuals anymore. The team will cope and if we can't cope then I guess we're not as good as we thought we were.
I'm still believing, we're still perfectly placed to win the title 😎.

28 Nov 2016 21:38:38
Harry I swear you make stuff up. I've literally not seen one person on these pages say that Sturridge is not good enough.

Literally only 48 hours ago YOU were kicking off on here saying that Sturridge should be playing, that he would score 3 goals against Sunderland and that Klopp needed to stop playing loads of midfielders at the expense of a striker!

Sturridge is a classy player who has proven in the cups and on the odd occasion he has played in the league that he is very fit, very sharp, and still too quality. As has Origi!

You literally just want to moan. Sturridge not playing? Stupid Klopp not playing a striker. Sturridge might get a run in the team? Stupid Klopp pinning his hopes on Sturridge. WHAT DO YOU WANT?

28 Nov 2016 21:41:35
Harry, just because your opinion sways and 'twists' in the wind, don't lay that on everyone else too.

I would've thought that you'd be a Sturridge fan, anyway, given he used to play for Chelsea!

28 Nov 2016 21:43:34
Also, Sturridge is not lazy. Total myth that. His biggest problem for me is that he runs too much. He needs to stay more central in and around the box, instead of working too hard, trying to help with build up play.

His movement to constantly try and make himself available is so unselfish and under appreciated. He actually needs to be more lazy, learn to wait if anything. Anybody who thinks he is lazy just because he doesn't steam around in to tackles and either get sent off like Borini/ Suarez or Injured like Ings/ Bellamy is just kidding themselves, looking for an imaginary stick to beat him with.

28 Nov 2016 21:52:01
Lol that was a sarcasm people.

28 Nov 2016 22:24:57
Sarcasm doesn't really translate well in text, unfortunately. Don't tell me after all this time you were just being sarcastic 😂.

28 Nov 2016 22:50:31
This has to be reported to the appropriate medical authorities.

Norwegian lad has been sarcastic for 7 years straight.

Wow!

29 Nov 2016 00:14:57
Firmino had been missing chances off late. If only he can improve his accuracy.

29 Nov 2016 00:19:07
Injuries will occur as long as we're close come the end of January we'l be ok.

29 Nov 2016 00:28:45
MK, you also forgot to mention that all Harry does is talk about other players and other teams in a bid to trash our own players and managers. He is the only one on these boards who does that yet he claims he's and LFC supporter. Petty we can't check his closet. Might find a Chelsea shirt there.

29 Nov 2016 00:30:08
MK although I get what you're saying about Studge I think he's lazy when we don't have the ball. Others (Lallana and Firmino in particular) are committed to the press and go at it full pelt. With Studge it's a bit half hearted as if he doesn't really want to but he's been told he has to. That then allows the player on the ball more time to pick a pass and beat the press to get in behind the midfield and at the back 4. Don't get me wrong I love Studge as a player but in a system where everyone needs to press together with full commitment he is just not quite there.

29 Nov 2016 05:56:58
Only time will tell about how the injuries will effect us, I think its only natural that if you do not have your best 11 available week in week out it eventually does effect results. Just look at the impact of having lallana out the last 3 games he hasn't played (united, southampton and sunderland) we struggled for the most part without him. I think coutinho will be a huge miss especially in the big games unfortuantnly. I think title challangers or winners usually have their best 11 available for the majority of the season so we will have to wait and see. Also last I remember sturridge is out, I just don't know if its serious or not.

Also, just a point about the whole sturridge being lazy is a myth, i believe people generally say he's lazy when we don't have the ball, but with the ball, he's actually quite active and makes very clever movement. Whilst he is a striker, and they are usually not so active when the team doesn't have the ball, I think his laziness without the ball can indirectly hurt the team, hence why firmino plays at number 9 now. Its a luxury we can't really afford as our midfeild is suseptible to counter attacks with us playing two attack minded midfielders and fullbacks so high up at times. He does not to the same job firmino does who counterballances this somewhat, but he is a much more clinical player for that position. Its a shame really, imagine adding the two together, you'd probably have suarez with a little less agression lol.

29 Nov 2016 06:22:37
Hamilton

It is of no relevance what I do in my free time, how many clubs I watch and what players I like as long as it doesn't disrupt the harmony here. I thought you made me a Spurs fan lol.

Regarding Sturridge

Well he doesn't press the way Klopp wants his players to press and off the ball he is static and offer no movement. These are not my words people. This is what this page has been saying from about 4 months now. How is he going to to fit into the same system from Sunday all of a sudden? 🤔. Not so long ago you all wanted him to be sold!

You guys are a benchmark of twisting the opinions faster than Usaain Bolt.

My view on Sturridge
He is by mile the best finisher this club has after Fowler. Sturridge is blessed with quality unfortunately he doesn't run a lot and press. I don't think he would start it from Sunday either.

29 Nov 2016 12:06:55
"If a battle cannot be won, then do not fight it". (Sun Tzu) (LOL)

28 Nov 2016 17:20:39
Hi Ed001

What would you do to fill the void left by Couts? Switch Firmino to the left and bring in Divock or something else?

{Ed001's Note - yes, exactly that.}

28 Nov 2016 17:35:54
Ed could see gini playing left . With can and Lallana in the cm . Gini played that role at Newcastle and it would keep firmino in the st postion.

{Ed001's Note - Wijnaldum was awful in that role at Newcastle, though it was a different style of football, no thanks, leave him where he is playing well. It is one of Studger, Lallana, Origi or Firmino that goes there for me.}

28 Nov 2016 17:48:51
Shifting Firmino is a bad idea one Klopp wouldn't take it. He will play origi on the left.

{Ed001's Note - he played Firmino on the left after Couts went off at the weekend.}

28 Nov 2016 17:52:10
I think he ll use the pace of Origi and Mane on the flanks but then you could be right. Couts was never playing the wing role there. He was an actual midfielder.

28 Nov 2016 19:34:57
I would love Origi to get a run of games.

28 Nov 2016 20:30:02
the front 3 alternates anyway. no ones stuck in one position.

28 Nov 2016 20:41:12
The front three do not have their positions set in stone so it doesn`t matter where you play Origi, Firmino, and Mane as they can interchange as all three are comfortable on the flanks and through the middle. The X factor for me is Lallana. He to me, is the one that can really make things happen while Couts and/ or Mane are out. He is ability to rove around the pitch in midfield or anywhere behind the front three, will be a nightmare for the opposition going forward.

28 Nov 2016 21:01:27
Midfield trio of lallana hendo wini and front 3 of firmino mane and origi up top interchanging with firmino.

28 Nov 2016 21:13:07
What is this interchanging I am hearing lately lol. Does our back 4 also interchanges 😂.

28 Nov 2016 21:58:23
I hope Origi is the one that starts. The boy is industrious, hardly get bullied, presses well, good hold-up play etc.
And I want to see him get a run of games, hopefully surpass his form before the injury last season.

28 Nov 2016 22:24:15
How nice it is to have options. Remember when we came close a few years back, we had a great 11 and no options. This squad has stars but it also has depth.

29 Nov 2016 00:31:29
We did have options. They were El Zahr, Ngog, sand Paceco. This coming from a manager who spent over 400m on 76 players, only to make us essentially a TW or three man team.

29 Nov 2016 00:37:38
I think Lallana would be a bigger loss if he moves from the central midfield role to the wide role. I would Play Firmino there and one of Sturridge/ Origi goes up top.

29 Nov 2016 09:05:05
Wijis strongest asset is that he processes the ball quickly and has a great engine.

28 Nov 2016 12:21:58
Hi Ed001,

Review of Karius' time at pool so far? I've been pretty happy with him and can see he is growing in confidence.

{Ed001's Note - it is near impossible to review him, as he has had so little to do it is very difficult to get any idea of what he is like. He does seem to be a lot better on the ball now, than he was when he first returned from injury. He does seem to be growing in confidence. However, until he is really put under pressure, we will not find out how good he actually is.}

28 Nov 2016 17:10:27
"Until"? With our way of play, surely you mean "if", ed :> Just kidding, but in all honesty the strongest aspect ofthe red's season and the Klopp rebirth is how well the current system complements the defense. Long it may continue.
I like what I see from Karius, he seems better with the ball than Mignolet and more proactive. He made the right call with both Sunderland chances last game - which were both match-defining at 0-0 - and there was a spell against Watford that lasted about 10-15 minutes at 5-0 and consisted of our midfield and defense falling asleep and allowing Watford a free run at goal. Karius actually acquitted himself really well, made a couple of vital saves, before being unmade by a shot from the edge of the area that passed close to Matip's feet and was thus hard to spot on time.

28 Nov 2016 17:13:12
The fact that he has had very little to do is a testament to how solidly we have been defensively and slowly but surely, our defence is being fixed. Credit to Klopp!

28 Nov 2016 17:19:15
I could say the same on Matip. He has yet to be really tested.
excellent on the ball, quick and strong, good in the air but has made a few mistakes positionally. Hasn't cost us goals however so it's really knit picking. His ability on the ball however is top class. He actually looks more dangerous on the ball than some of our midfielders when he pushes up. Great buy. Only 25. He's been fantastic over all. Against man city I suspect we'll see just how good he is.

{Ed001's Note - what mistakes positionally? The reason he hasn't been tested is mainly down to having been excellent positionally. Not sure what you are watching sometimes.}

28 Nov 2016 17:39:21
Against Sunderland he was on the wrong side of defoe from a ball over the top and defoe was nearly clear through bar from falling over looking for a free kick. It's knit picking but Its an observation.

{Ed001's Note - give me the minute, because I want to check this. But if that is all you have to say then you should shut up and get off his back and give us all a rest.}

28 Nov 2016 17:46:14
Teams sit back and defend because they are aware of our fire power up front. I don't think our defense is world renowned Class yet. I might be wrong as Hamilton said so!

28 Nov 2016 18:23:00
If you want the minute I'd suggest you rewatch the match. I also mentioned Sunderland because it was our last game.
I've had nothing but praise for Matip and have watched him like a Hawk because I think he's been outstanding as a whole. There's been moments were he's been on the wrong side of the attacker and this is just lack of concentration nothing to do with ability. He's a lot better than lovren.
It's constructive criticism. It's also the first time I've mentioned it and again I said it's knit picking because I think he can be a great player and it entices responses.
If I'm being an ass in your opinion edd fair enough but the "shut up and give us all a rest" is a bit aggerated.
Here's some virtual love*mate ♥.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so, but I have seen nothing in terms of praise for him from you at all myself, so I can only judge on what I have read and you are clearly looking for things to have a go at, rather than make constructive criticism, from what I have just seen here. On the wrong side once in a game is not necessarily lack of concentration in a game where your team has total control of the ball and you are spending the match playing in midfield. Was it even a lack of concentration or good movement from the forward? If you can't even give me a time to look at, I can only go on what I remember from the match, as I don't have time to go back and rewatch a whole match because you think there was one split second a player fell asleep. I will stick with my impressions of the match and that is that he was excellent.}

28 Nov 2016 18:53:42
I would give you the time if I had watched the clock when it happened mate. You're going to have to take my word edd.
I can't argue against Matip being excellent as a whole . I think he's been a terrific buy and has aided in lovren also playing well. His ability on the ball right now makes him a stand out centre back in the league.

28 Nov 2016 20:56:48
Big Al, you are wrong here. I have watched Matip way before he came to us and if the one mistake (the one you are the only one who claimed to see it) is all you can go by, then you are really clutching at straws. Matip may have made a mistake here or there (one he made that led to Costa`s goal comes to mind) but the fact of the matter is that he has been brilliant for us and I NEVER panic when he has the ball as he is just majestic on it. one error? That`s it? Good heavens, no wonder Klopp got peeved at the crowd on Sat. Please, stop moaning for no reason about a player who has been awesome for us and helped fix our defence. You sound like a bitter who just wants to moan whereas every man and his dog knows there`s nothing to see here.

28 Nov 2016 22:40:28
To be fair, Big Al, I think the media are driving a lot of this myth about his positioning. If you watched Match Of The Day you'd have heard the commentator say of his save (at 17 minutes) "His hesitancy nearly cost him there". What actually happened, in my opinion, was he showed a lot of intelligence and decided to abort running out for the ball and instead set himself directly between the attacker and the goal and chose the right moment to close it out.

The media really are trying to find a weakness with us and because of his uncertainty with some crosses in his first few games (having just recovered from a broken hand) are using Karius to perpetuate the myth that we are weak at the back. I don't think this is really the case at all.

{Ed025's Note - hes only young and has time on his side fornax, but he is a bit of a vampire at the moment mate.. :)

29 Nov 2016 00:35:18
Spot on, Fornax. First the media used the clean sheet myth. That did not stick then, it became the breaking teams down thing and we've been doing that overall. Now, it's Karius. This is the same media who still think Utd can still win the league, mind you. Pathetic!

29 Nov 2016 01:27:05
That's a great comment fornax.

29 Nov 2016 04:54:06
I don't see the point in criticising players for small isolated mistakes. It comes with the expectation that they should be perfect. Mistakes should only be criticised if they are consistent. Matip has rarely made mistakes, so what's the point in nitpicking about it?

29 Nov 2016 09:46:09
Have not lost a game yet with him between the sticks, kinda sums it up really. He was shaky but i have every confidence in him despite a wayward goal kick.

Seems people are clutching at straws to find things to criticise our players. Enjoy the ride i say and try not to muddy your enjoyment with being hyper critical.

28 Nov 2016 14:04:30
Hi Redmen,

Its been a while :)

a change of Jobs and a broken phone mean I have not been able to provide a loan update for you, but i'm back.

Awoniyi was an unused sub as NEC beat FC Twente 3-2.

Flanagan was an unused sub as Burnley lost 2-1 to City

After twice taking the lead Barnsley collapsed and lost 5-2 to Nottingham Forest! Ryan Kent was an unused sub.

Hertha Berlin beats Mainz 2-1
Allan was an unused sub.

I see a pattern here.

Huddersfield play tonight so I cannot update you on Ward.

Wigan also play tonight (Against Huddersfield) so I cannot update you on Bogdan either :)

Jack Dunn missed out through injury as Morecombe beat Plymouth 2-1

Ryan Fulton starts! and Chesterfield won 3-2 against Bristol Rovers. The win moves them off bottom spot

Wisdom Starts! we are on a roll now.
However Salzburg lost 1-0. He will probs be back on the bench next week now.

Lloyd Jones starts for Swindon and helped them keep a clean sheet as they beat bradford 1-0! Swindon now have a bit of breathing space from the drop zone

Sporting Lisbon won 1-0 at the weekend but Markovic done nothing more then hand out half time oranges.

And that's your lot redmen, not much to report on this week I am afraid.

28 Nov 2016 14:43:43
Bogdan reported the other day to be out for the season, sadly for him. Hope the recuperation goes ok.
YNWA.

28 Nov 2016 14:51:55
Good to see you back mate. Thank you for the update.

28 Nov 2016 15:40:01
Great loan update as always!

I'm at the Huddersfield game tonight and so will be giving a comprehensive Danny Ward update!

Adam Bogdan won't be playing in the opposite goal for Wigan as he's returned to Liverpool following a ligament injury.

28 Nov 2016 16:05:45
thanks carra! jack dunns loan got cancelled I think.

28 Nov 2016 16:26:11
Was at the heartha berlin game as here on a city break for a few. Well disappointed not to see the lad get a game. It was a sloppy game that needed a bit of quality in the middle.
As for the ticket prices went to box office at the ground, tickets still available were between €22-65. On the walk up there, a young lad was selling his extra ticket for €10. Working class prices. With fans both drinking and smoking in the ground and everyone having a good time. Definitely recommend recommended going to a bundislegua game.

28 Nov 2016 19:54:22
Nice one Carra 😘.

28 Nov 2016 09:00:37
Hi Ed02,

I know you have probably answered this before but, with Grujic is about appearances or do minutes count as well?

I mean if it comes to it can Klopp just bring him on as a sub for the last 5mins of every game and then all is good in terms of work permit or does it have to be like he's played 50% of minutes or something?

{Ed002's Note - No, it doesn't work like that.}

28 Nov 2016 09:17:46
Would you be able to advise how it does work or is far too completed to go into detail and all we need to know is that he needs to start playing otherwise he doesn't get a new one?

{Ed002's Note - I have explained before.}