Liverpool Banter Archive January 28 2013
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28 Jan 2013 23:11:45
call me paranoid but I hope Man city don't sell Balotelli
Andy The Red
You're paranoid
Red Ollie
Who cares what Man City do?
BrisbaneLFC
I think what Andy meant was he thinks if Man City sell Balotelli that they will then go for Suarez.
Personally I think they'll go for Falcao.
Robbie
Hey BrisbaneLFC hope you're not too affected by the floods mate
cozinoz
Robbie I was thinking that too. I think that in the summer they will go for Suarez even if they buy Falcao in January. I cannot see Falcao leaving Atl Madrid just yet though and if he does it'll be to either Real Madrid, Barcelona or PSG.
Scouse_Pride
28 Jan 2013 23:06:12
Should've kept Ngoo-Better than Carroll, ideal for Physical games.But not given chance because big lad, doesn't fit into lightweight tippy tippy ethos.No way he would have got bullied on Sunday.Aint saying answer, more partial solution SOME games
Physicality has nothing to do with why we lost the game and the suggestion that we need a few big players in the team to 'bully' opposition is ludicrous given how we play football under Rodgers. A number of players underperformed against Oldham, for whatever reason, and mistakes were made. We were not organised, not quick enough to close down crosses, not fast enough or accurate enough with our own passing and ultimately have the personnel on the pitch to blame. We are well capable of winning against teams like that with the team that was fielded - the players mentality was the problem and the manager was right to give the youngsters a kick up the backside because none of them played with anywhere near the quality, intensity or level of desire expected from a Liverpool player. Lack of quality or an "off day" is forgiveable when players are young but lacking intensity and desire, the one thing they should have no matter how badly they perform, is completely unacceptable.
SMc
Scored a goal in the alehouse league an now he's the answer to our problems?
28 Jan 2013 22:52:13
Looks like Balotelli is off. Brace yourselves for the Suarez bid
Cavani ? Falcao ? Villa even ?
Is off?
I thought it was the drains.
Saurez is going to munich in summer then we will be goosed
Rnued dean
£60 million in January.
You can safely say just right now we'd be screwed without Suarez, so I sincerely hope you're wrong.
ND
His possible transfer has been mooted since October - why should we all of a sudden brace ourselves now?
SMc
Suarez is better than all of them
May be that's why we got danny so early
28 Jan 2013 22:51:46
I feel sorry for FSG for the huge amount of misguided criticisms they get from us fans over our poor state of affairs.
In all fairness, I think our owners have provided more than enough money to make us very competitive as a football team.
Sadly, each time we have had the window to bring in quality players, the money is usually squandered on the alter of mediocrity.
I really don't know who to blame for this at all. Is it the owners who appointed inexperienced people and saddled them with this onerous task or those directly in charge of such affairs who have flattered to deceive?
The fact is we have spent more money than most clubs in the EPL and most other leagues, yet our squad isn't strong enough outside our first eleven.
We have gotten so many deals horribly wrong in the past when we could have made better use of this money. For instance, the money we spent on Adam, Downing, Carrol, Allen and Borini - about £94m should have been good enough to really strengthen our squad. But sadly, the reverse is the case here.
Again, we have arrogantly let Forren slip by our finger when we know how horrible our defence is. We have been linked with Fazio, Diakite and Granqvist who are all very affordable but that is where the story has ended. But watch us go all out and spend another 15m on Ashley Williams in the summer and start crying of not having enough funds and a very thin squad.
I think drastic measures need to be taken if we ever wish to reverse this trend. Our manager has not demonstrated enough sense of value in the transfer market and is often consumed by his model or phylosophy.
We either need to get competent foodball people to handle transfers and let the manager do the coaching or we bring in a new set of experienced people who understand english and european football and who are very aware that it takes a lot more than model and phylosophy to succeed as a football team.
Abroad Red
Agree largely with what your saying,
Do however feel that there should be some distinction between Rodger's buys and the buys under KD and Comolli,
Both approaches are different and largely I have been pleased with the Rodgers signings - at least far better than the mediocracy before that!
SR
I've been highly critical of FSG but to be fair they have injected a fair bit of money into the transfer kitty. Unfortunately, their transfer policy tends to blight the fact that they are spending, as they are too pre occupied with hedging against any future loss on each incoming player. They need to take a collective balanced view on the transfer package rather than individuals in isolation.
Ozone {Ed002's Note - You might well be iualising a policy that does not exist.}
Allen has been poor and I personally don't like him, team seems to play worse when he plays. Borini has been injured for nearly 4 months though so to judge him so quickly is ridiculous and over the top. The other players mentioned were Dalglish's mistakes (and much more expensive ones shall we add) - if you want to criticise Rodgers criticise Dalglish as well because he butchered our transfer funds and our squad before Rodgers came in.
Sturridge looks a shrewd addition, Coutinho looks to be coming in and has the potential to be world class. I don't think Rodgers has been horrendous in the transfer market, your post is a typical reactionary one to a bad result. Rodgers will be great again when we win on wednesday, it's ridiculous.
By the by a model and philosophy takes time to implement at a club - a lot longer than 6 months - get a grip and give the manager and his players a chance. I'm no Allen fan but even I think we need to give him more time to see how well he might do.
SMc
29 Jan 2013 05:34:27
i think we desperately need a director of football I like BR but think that he is little bit naive .BR should just concentrate on coaching job we can't afford any more ineffective signings they are really taking us backwards
Ayush
Abroad Red, maybe you should get a grip! I garuantee 99.9% of people here had never even heard of Forren before he was looked at for a TRIAL only. We hardly missed out on him arrogantly as you say.
BrisbaneLFC
Ok, so just cause people don't watch so many other leagues then EPL. and never seen him play his poor? your right just buy another overrated brittish player. at least we've seen him play. What the f-word does the scouts actually do?
Chris
28 Jan 2013 22:51:32
Edoo2 my keyboard plays.up. Harsh mate, and my post was to edd052. i'm bewildered to how my posts are rubish when I am discussing players and my blood football team Liverpool?
Thanks.eddoo1 and edd052 for a great website especially eddoo1, loads of respect to you mate and insight over the years' many thanks to yous two gentlemen and I hope your daughter keeps well.eddoo1. With a bit of luck my last post might get through
Sydney to Merseyside! {Ed002's Note - Remarkably your keyboard appears fixed. The posts are BS with the periods - either punctuate reasonably well or I will cut them all. Buttering up Ed001 will not work - if you butter up E052 you will end up in court.}
Why, does he have a butter allergy?
28 Jan 2013 22:49:06
In my opinion were acting like a mid table team with the signings we make at the moment..were signing players like Allen borini, etc where they done ok with a team no disrespect to Swansea but they're not LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB, what happened with the big signings we was making a few seasons ago ie, Torres, alonso, mascerano, agger, we seem
To be losing our big name status where were not challenging for nothing, we shouldn't be just trying to challenge for 4th place we are Liverpool fc we should be challenging for the league, win the fa cup, win the champions league, not where we are,
Lol Agger wasn't a big signing when we bought him, he was a highly rated but unproven young fella from Denmark. Xabi Alonso was a highly rated (but at the time far from world class) midfielder who we bought for 12million. So 2 out of the 4 you mention are completely incorrect in regards to your argument. We did sign Suarez not so long ago... and have paid daft money for bad players as well i.e. Carroll, Downing, Adam - the players we signed have been the mistake, the funds we've had have still been substantial.
SMc
I can't tell if this is a joke or not?
Torres from the impressive Athletico Madrid.
Alonso from the super Real Sociedad.
Mascherano from the mighty Hammers.
And of course Agger from the master-class Brondby.
It's not where they came from, it's what they do that matters.
Its who bought them that counts think about it fact
Torres cost less than Suarez
Alonso not much more than sturridge
Why are you looking for negativity
28 Jan 2013 22:35:54
After Coutinho and plus Coates leaving how much players do you think will we sign by Thursday be it permenant or Loan.
William Weir {Ed002's Note -
28 Jan 2013 22:46:42
Have brendan and skrts had a bust up.
Cheers BenO
Skirtle,
headhunter to his friends,
headhunter to everyone,
he does'nt have any friends...
28 Jan 2013 22:44:56
Massimo Morattiwith press.
Q. Inter's plans to rejuvenate the team, isn't it perhaps a bit early to be selling Coutinho?
A. "Yes, but things get done for a reason and selling Coutinho is not done with the idea of cashing in but because, looking at the way things have developed recently, we have a greater need in different areas than Coutinho's position, regardless of his age."
r-r
28 Jan 2013 22:40:28
I am sorry!
Mikey LFC {Ed002's Note - So you should be Mikey. That poor, poor goat.}
Loooooooooooooool
28 Jan 2013 22:34:17
I've read a lot of negativity with regards to the signing of coutinho, but let me put your minds at rest. This guy is going to be an amazing player for LFC. It will take him time to settle of that I'm certain. Many of the fans are asking the question why have we signed him if he can't even get into the inter side? The truth is that Inter play with wing backs which meant coutinho does not really fit into the style of play. For me Rogers does has not spent well during his short reign at LFC. Borini, Allan & Assadi are no were near good enough for LFC, but mark my words this kid is going to be fantastic.
Elmo96
28 Jan 2013 23:18:19
I hope so I really hope so. I do enjoy watching players in Coutinho's position and Liverpool haven't had someone like that in a long long time. I haven't seen a lot of him and hope he's not another gamble.
Albert
I remember a time on here recently when 90% of people thought Lucas wasnt good enough for LFC. But now he is the messiah we can't do without. Give Borini, Allen and Assaidi an effing chance will you!
BrisbaneLFC
28 Jan 2013 22:33:57
I love lfc and optimistic for the future but I really fail to see that we are progressing and turning corners because we aren't. We need to be realistic and understand that we can't live in the past. History is history. We need to focus on the here and now and move forward
Compare our current squad to the squad of 2-3 seasons ago.
derryred
28 Jan 2013 22:31:42
suso is the future of Liverpool. if he plays in midfield he will flourish because he's got all the attributes such as a great passing range, good dribbling and a good shot. in my opinion although coutinho is a good play, suso will outshine him whether at Liverpool or somewhere else.
Suso is a good prospect, but in a race between him, Coates, and Carra, I think Carra might just edge out a win.
29 Jan 2013 05:40:45
i really like suso I was very sad that as he has not appeared much for the past few games when he is there on the field he is played as a winger thus he tends to disappear from the games what he really needs is to be played centrally where he can be focal point of the game so that he gets more of the ball because he is just class never really see him give away possession.
Ayush
"Suso is a good prospect, but in a race between him, Coates, and Carra, I think Carra might just edge out a win." LOL
28 Jan 2013 22:29:46
when we won against norwich, all the fans saying yeah ilike what rodgers is doing, and were he's taking Liverpool &were gona get top 4,
then we play really bad get beat, & now were crap the managers crap &were lucky to finish top 10
will people just support the team&the manager its gona be an up&down season with all the players gone out &the ones coming in, but were making some good progress, so heres to agood result at arsenal, & hoping we get our transfer targets before deadline day, come on reds fans keep the faith
IRISH RED
The players will not play as poorly for the rest of the season. They are still good players, who had an off day, and were woeful but Rodgers is still the right man and our young squad will continue to progress.
derryred
28 Jan 2013 22:21:08
More of a question than anything else but assuming coutino is done for a bit more than we initially wanted to pay do ye eds still think the funds are available to by ince or another signing
Mickthered {Ed002's Note - I would rather avoid discussion of money - it seems to confuse too many of the posters.}
28 Jan 2013 22:18:54
Hey ed(s)how you doin? what's the chances of coutinho being granted a work permit?
ACHILLES. {Ed002's Note - Done to death.}
28 Jan 2013 23:19:13
Sorry my bad
ACHILLES. {Ed002's Note - Don't worry about it, I probably should have said. 73% we have right now.}
28 Jan 2013 22:14:44
Eds or anyone for that matter, nothing to do with transfers but rather a question about the Liverpool Support. There is something that has puzzled me for a while about quite a lot of our fans. Many LFC fans cannot stand our fans that wear their Liverpool shirts or scalfs to the games (especially away games) in preference to wear black. I don't quite understand why? Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions on that kinda thing and it doesn't really matter, but the about of random abuse I have recieved over the years for wearing my shirt to the match is very very odd! I've had a season ticket for around 8 years now (being only in my 20's) and I have never gone to a match, home or away, including Man United, without my shirt on or scalf. that's the whole image of LFC is it not? The red and white kop, with the thousands of scalfs? I don't get why some fans (and it seems to be the younger fans) think it is so bad to wear your teams colours? Is wearing my Liverpool shirt to a game just not normal? To show everyone i'm proud to show i'm a LFC fan etc. Just want to hear other peoples opinions on the matter and would like to understand why a lot of fans dislike fans wearing their teams shirts?
Cheers guys!
I buy the shirts every season to play in and other merchandise to play in also, whenever I go to the games home or away I will always wear something with the badge on to show my support
Totally agree with you mate, also when we're playing at anfield why are we so quiet? I remember the KOP was bouncing every home game the atmosphere was brilliant every home match, but now you can even hear the players shouting on the pitch, c'mon lads lets get behind our team and get anfield back to those days where teams were petrified of the kop
28 Jan 2013 23:14:21
I've never heard of this but for me it's simple. If your getting stick for wearing the great clubs colours then the fans obviously haven't stood and listened to the song that Lfc fans sing before every game. To be honest mate I'd stand next to you if you were wearing a chicken suit as you are a fellow red. YNWA keep the faith.
Albert
Pin badge or home made flag only, except for cup finals
OP, I am not quite sure what you mean, are you saying you are getting abuse at games from our own fans because you are wearing Liverpool top and scarf ? ..in Anfield ? never heard of this before, A lot of the times I go with my shirt and scarf so does my kid and never had anyone say or imply or curse anything of this sort, and usually there is hundreds with their t-shirt and scarf ..
And I really don't know about this black business, do you mean the away kit?
Roy
As in all walks of life some fans are bute's - you pay for your ticket you can wear whatever you want - if it's Liverpool's colours all the better for it.
SMc
It tends to be the minority of fans, generally those younger fans (around 18-25 roughly) who are the new breed of fans, generally sit at the back of the Kop (304;305, 306). When I say abuse its more like people saying "f*ing day trippers wear the shirt" or "wearing an lfc shirt at an away ruins our fans" etc, very very pathetic I know, and i'm not suggesting every time I walk into Anfield someone says it, far from it, but i've noticed this attitude from some fans, even from the comment above "pinned badge or home made flag only" . A lot of fans see wearing all black as looking better at away games, which okay wear what you like at games, but I've also seen it on comments from RAWK and SOS, where people moan about our fans wearing the lfc shirt and not black to a game
28 Jan 2013 22:10:51
Just to change things up a bit from the constant attacking of our own players.
How did Glenn Whelan not get a ban for his terrible challenge during the Stoke - City game, one of the worst tackles all season yet the ref looked straight at it and didn't even deem it a foul, makes you wonder what the rules are sometimes.
always a red
Refs are supporters to...
28 Jan 2013 22:07:17
Can I just get it in that paco jemez is doing a great job at rayo vallenco, they play.like barca but have a.budget of.6million which covers costs, wages And signings". Him and Br style of play simiralise in ways, the only thing missing for us is mentality.
Ed have.you watched rayo in la liga, must watch them mate, I know am a supporter'
Sydney to Merseyside!
28 Jan 2013 22:05:05
I have to say I'm really loving ed 052 's answers and honesty tonight!
28 Jan 2013 22:04:39
Ok still annoyed about Sunday but there's one word to sum up this Liverpool team and that's inconsistent. We seem to turn the corner and crush a team and when the fans confidence is high the players let themselves down. All this team needs is a run of 5/6 wins and we will look good for top 4.
When you have a high number of youngsters in your team there will be up's and down's. In seasons to come these downs will have hopefully made them better, more dependable players as well as being improved all round. Expect more up's and down's this season: young players + new manager = inconsistency.... surely an obvious point?
SMc
28 Jan 2013 21:55:20
If we don't aim high we'll never get there.
Why should we accept second best and say oh well we lost we're going through a transition.
That's garbage... We have a novice manager in charge of an iconic club.
Yes he talks well .... but words and a free meal after three wins is shameful!
The players should be busting a gut for us not lining them with free food from the boss!
FSG should never have sacked KK ... He was building a team which could compete.
So stop all this nonsense about ' In BR we trust'
That's just sheep mentality.
We have to question the manager and the players when they perform poorly ..not just sit idly by.
M
Your entitled to your opinion and all but I want to point out we play arsenal away in bout 40 hours or less maybe everyone had there eye on that one and lost focus can happen to anyone.point being if they bounce back against arsenal and snatch a win i'm delighted.we shouldn't jump down there neck I hope the pool fans make the stadium bounce on wednesday.redness
28 Jan 2013 23:24:06
person if you can't see what rodgers is doing you need to look at following another sport. for the first time in more than a decade (excl kk) we are playing football to be proud of and once it clicks, young players mature and consistency is achieved, we will be a force again,
rodges brain
Do you actually wake up every morning with full on negativity. Smile a little, go out have some fun! Seriously no-one wants to hear your constant moaning! Let me guess you want mourinho to be in charge? Good luck giving him 80mill or so every transfer window!
In fairness this was here before BR came.
If we sack him we go back to square one, like you I went mad when he got the job I could see that fsg had no intention other than keeping us mid table, but he stands up for the shirt and has to givin time .He is the Liverpool manager and should be givin the respect and time to see his plan through.
Liverpool always gave a manager time, and if we want Liverpool to go back to what it was then we too need to give time as well.
Eam
Absolutely spot on M. My sentiments exactly.
Dalglish squandered nearly a 100million on mediocrity and out of all of his outlay only Henderson looks remotely like paying off. Enrique might as well if he can maintain some consistency. Dalglish is a legend but he goosed the club up, getting rid of him was the right decision.
SMc
28 Jan 2013 21:48:37
I do wholey agree that we are soft up the middle and need toughening up.
It doesn't suprise me that our centre havles got roughed up as it happens quite abit no matter who the pair are. Coates was poor but he hasn't played much lately.
Please buy a top top centre halve in the next few windows, or give Kelly a good chance when he is fit. I reckon he has great potential.
Regarding hendo, his form or supposed form is a little skewed IMO. His play was so so bad and his standard was so bad that now when he plays ok, and no more than ok, he is being heralded as some sort of midfield dynamo and the "why was he not always playing crew" come out. Although he is improving.
Blaming rodgers yesterday is the easy way out. The team should have beaten Oldham fairly easily but again rolled over.
Borini? I didn't know much about him but surely he must be better than what he is showing??
Anyways it's game over now and we'll move on.
I have to say I am really underwhelmed by going after young potential, probably because improvement is so slow. I'd rather see 2-3 established players come in.
Coutinho? Jury out but I hope, I'm full of hope.
All in all we are not as bad as we sometime think or as good as some of our recent games suggest. And under Rodgers I think he'll get it right.
Rb
Henderson was played as a right midfielder under Dalglish - completely out of position. Whilst he has been inconsistent he has shown that, in the right role, he can shine.
Borini has just came back from serious injury and was playing in the left of midfield against Oldham, think he deserves more time - the amount of criticism he is taking is ridiculous.
SMc
28 Jan 2013 21:48:28
Hey eds, was just wondering if you had any info on Doni? Rodgers said that he has been absent due to personal leave? Does he not want to be at the club anymore because he is second/third choice? {Ed002's Note - Done to death already. Forget him.}
28 Jan 2013 21:47:49
United fan here in peace.
A shocking result for you yesterday and I think you might have a few more before you get back up there but that's football.
You need to try and keep faith in the team even though it's nowhere near the best Liverpool team you have ever seen, support your great club.
I can remember United fans being in the depths of despair for years with poor overrated overpaid players but in the end we got it right and you will do again one day.
Lift your heads up an be patient you will challenge again sooner or later.
Red Daz
So there you have it. A United fan has more faith in our team than the majority of our so called "fans". Cheers Red Daz, seeing this may just give some of our fans the kick up the backside they need.
LS7.
LS7 some people need more than a kick up the backside! Shocking behaviour, feel disgusted by some people!
28 Jan 2013 21:47:11
I for one am not too worried about the Oldham game. Thought we gave away really bad goals and generally struggled with the aerial bombardment but we weren't helped by a shocking ref either! He allowed them to lead with elbows, pull shirts, grab us in the box and generally be over aggressive. Then as soon as we gave it back it was a free kick! It's like he wanted to give them a chance or something! No excuses just an observation, yes we gave away bad goals but I think there were other influences that had an impact on the game!
I don't think we can look for excuses. The performance was pathetic. The referee wasnt that bad. We should know what to expect from these Lower league sides. They wanted it more which shouldn't be acceptable when playing for Liverpool.
Yeah I didn't want to complain about the ref as I didn't want to make excuses for our awful performance. But I completely agree with what you said. I felt that the ref refereed oldham as if it was a league 1 game and Liverpool as if it was a premiership game e.g they were allowed to be a lot more physical with shirt pulling and dirty fouls and anything we did got penalized. Blatant foul on sturridge too before there second goal which was a big turning point in game.
RedChris
The only ray of light after that game is that the thugs didn't break too many of our lads, so we should have a strong team to face the Arse this week. This is winnable so lets be optimistic eh?
ND
No excuses as I think we were out fought in the game and deserved to lose. Having said that your assessment of the referee is spot on. He let numerous wild tackles, late tackles, elbows, grabbing, all round dirty play just slide which, whilst not being a huge contributing factor, certainly benefited Oldham and their game plan. Can't imagine the refereeing being as lenient if they were up against a Chelsea or United.
SMc
28 Jan 2013 21:43:51
with the coments about BR i'm suprised half of the posters arent managers themselves!
28 Jan 2013 21:43:32
Edo52, just on a different but other matter, is the man united banter page and editor bias, i.cant get any funny but legite posts through yet their posts flood through, i'm sure you agree mate that they.can give some but can't take it. Amy enlightment on the subject and Ed you don't have to post this just reply I agree or disagree mate. Thanks ed
Sydney to Merseyside! {Ed002's Note - Many of your posts have been deleted because they are rubbish and unreadable. If you put periods between words they shall continue to be deleted.}
28 Jan 2013 21:42:55
I feel sorry for Pacman, his posts are nothingness
28 Jan 2013 21:40:51
i can't believe some of you on here call yourselfs fans of Liverpool fc, that's all you do is have a go at players, manager, and the owners, please if you don't like Liverpool feel free to support someone else, how many managers were queing up to take over the club, how many so called superstars want to come to the club we all knew that this season wasnt going to be the best but I think we will get there with all the young players, just wanted to know who is in line for all the crap next season first it was lucus, then henderson now allen he will be good he was with swansea in the pl just get off his back with fans like this who needs enermies rob
28 Jan 2013 21:39:56
we added allen assaidi borini sahin last summer, added is the correct word, these additions are struggling or left how the hell can these players help our youngsters develop?
we did not strenghten last summer reina, johnson, sktrl, enriqur, lucas, gerrard, agger, suarez, enrique, henderson(the last 2 mounths)sterling, 1 addition sturidge.
why is nobody writting that our strongest team is last years team?
we could have bought strootman and erikson with the money we spend last summer.
i am from malta I see italian football if you open the gate on matchday borini will run across the road, borini is a donkey roma is still counting the money.
15mil for allen that's 19mil euro.
assaidi wonder if he still alive been a while.
sahin who?
its all our own fault nothing to do with fsg they gave the money and have no clue about football.we just bought donkeys.
thank god we have gerrard ect ect.
BRis a good talker and might be a good coach time will tell, but if I was fsg I put a general manager in charge to oversee if we really need the players he brought in.
i am very sorry
Malta
Sahin on loan, Assaidi for 2mil, Borini had a serious injury for the majority of the season. Allen the only one you can reasonably criticise. More importantly it is the squad that matters, our first team is good but as soon as injuries and suspensions occur we have problems, some of the players bought have worked out some haven't and some haven't even had chance to prove themselves. If you expected miracles in 6 months then it comes as no surprise as to why you're disappointed.
SMc
28 Jan 2013 21:27:26
Word in the press linking us to Benteke.
Heard anything eds? {Ed052's Note - no. Remember last time we signed a tall lanky striker after a top 6 months?}
28 Jan 2013 21:24:58
Eds, is it true that ince, butland and redmond will all sign but all stay on loan with their current clubs till the summer? If so, I think that is a great move for us, keeps them match fit and we can still utilise the players we got now with some reinforcements. Cortinho and sturridge will give us some variation in our game and we can gel the new guys on tour in the summer! Good business! Plus will we get someone on loan till summer?
Cheers
Jimerny cricket {Ed001's Note - I very much doubt that we would sign 3 players and leave them on loan when we are so short of cover ourselves.}
28 Jan 2013 21:17:56
Eds if we complete coutinho deal tomorrow morning can he play against arsenal
Thanks
JAC {Ed001's Note - depends on the paperwork. I doubt a work permit will be obtained in time though.}
28 Jan 2013 21:12:41
Hey everyone, what's your opinion on Skrtel? I've always thought he could be a future Liverpool captain but this season he is struggling IMO making way to many mistakes! What do you guys think? I thought Coates could have a big future at Liverpool but now I'm not so sure, maybe it's coz he ain't getting any games apart from cup games, thought he had a good game against city earlier in season but it all seems to have gone to pot for him ATM !
James
28 Jan 2013 22:11:33
I'm not a massive skertl fan. Not good enough for our great club. In my opinion he ain't getting any better or smarter and always one play away from a mistake. If your not improving your getting worse.
Just my opinion..
I think skirtel plays well with aggressive or carra because the take the lead and tell him what to do, if he is the one in charge, like with Coates then his game suffers, he just need the right man alongside him.rob b
He seems to have one great year, get a bumper deal then have a poor one. I think on his day he's up there with the best in the league, but I think he needs competition as does Agger. It shows a players true form when they're pushed hard, fearing a bad performance would lead to a spell on the sidelines.
Papa G
28 Jan 2013 21:01:38
one reason why we will never get back up there.
one example today. arsenal in talks in barcelona for david villa we are linked to coutinho along with southampton. zarate along with sunderland. we arent linked to villa or anything are we?
point is we rather take all the risks than splashing out on guranteed talent {Ed052's Note - We are linked to Villa mate - its made up rubbish - but at least it makes you happy. We wont sign Zarate - so why does specualtion matter. Come the end of the season we will be above Arsenal}
Bold statement Ed. although very possible far too early to call.
Jonesred.
Never say never mate you will end up looking like a fool come end of season.
Ed052, I love you, but I'll take that bet with you about finishing above arsenal because I still think they'll make 4th
Chris in Tamworth
Ed052, a true supporter. Enthusiasm and positivty flowing through him just like myself. Arsenal are on their way down the same route as we have experienced, selling their better players is eventually going to catch up on them. Us on the other hand, are on the recovery and with the guidance of Brendan Rodgers we will become a top 4 team again and we will be back where we belong. We can do this if we all stick together and support the club. We will never get there if fans are calling for Rodgers' head every time we get a bad result. If your not happy go support another club and don't come back just because we start winning. We are Liverpool FC. We are on the up and We will be back among Europe's finest soon enough, with the help of the supporters enthusiasm like Ed052 and myself. Just stick together and remember, You'll Never Walk Alone.
Cheers,
DublinRed.
The eds gone mad. Can't see Liverpool finishing above 6th so unless you expect arsenal to finish 7th then Liverpool aren't going to finish above them this year.
I'll put my house against we won't be above Arsenal come the end of the season. Not chance.
Ozone
Fair enough Chris. But if Arsenal make 4th it'll be because someone slipped up and we've come 3rd, and they've beaten out Chelsea and Spurs. We'll still finish above them. :-)
SpudRed
Love ed052. Perfect feeling to have an optimistic fan like myself. Definitely finishing above arsenal.
Redd
28 Jan 2013 21:00:17
I posted on here months ago saying our midfields too week and one of the eds said Lucas can do the job and we missed him. Don, t see any of our midfield being strong or agile enough apart from Gerrard and he's slowing. I agree we need a DM but doubt that will happen this window. manc's have been missing one for a few years now so pray they don't go get Wanyama.
Les {Ed052's Note - Lucas is only coming back from a huge injury - give him time}
I'm afraid time is something we haven't got, give them time, they are young, I've been hearing the same bull since houllier took over.
Not knocking Lucas don't get me wrong, he's done we'll for us and know he's working his way back to full fitness but my point is none of our midfielders are dominant except SG and none are natural DM's.
Les
28 Jan 2013 20:21:57
£15m for Allan. how much Paulinho will cost ? for me BR missuse money too all the ex chelsea he work is his target? trust me end of the season all of you will say BR is a mistake. LVG is right choice that time and AVB is far better then him.
r-r {Ed052's Note - Instead of having a go - why not, you know, support the bloody team, instead of saying, x, y and z are shit, BR is shit, x, y and z should have been in instead and they would have won everything}
Ed052........BANG ON SON Well said.
KoPeNdFaN
You can't call yourself a fan just because we lose one game everyone is saying BR out.Jones and Coates were very bad and most of the players did not look up for it.
Give BR time and we will succeed.
YNWA Shanio1
Listen buddy, were not going to be getting Paulinho, so why not support Allen and the team as the Ed said? If not go support Chelsea or City..
Cheers,
DublinRed.
I'm all for supporting your team when times are good or bad but also you can't bury your heads and act like there's nothing wrong at Liverpool.
So mr 52 if you not agree with the boss then you must change the club ? I am not needing your licences for suporting Liverpool. your age is 20 and I'm support this club more then 20 years.
r-r
Hoorah for Ed52!
dd
Yeah, I'm sure you have seen Paulinho play a lot as well! Every time I've seen him he's looked weak and slow and he plays in a poor league.. If Paulinho was called Dave Roberts and played for Norwhich it would get nothing but complaints..how about you just give Allen a bit of time. Did Lucas set the world a light when we signed him? No...Did Henderson? No... We are only seeing Suarez at his maximum potential this season after 18 months...Some people expect too much too soon.
Adam
Lol have you seen Paulinho's ownership issues? We'd get docked points if we signed him. Disagree with a few other posters questioning Paulinho's ability though, he is class and will improve at Inter I think.
SMc
Ed52 you're constantly slating Reina, is he not our keeper? Double standards me thinks {Ed052's Note - he is, but I get angry with him becuase he is an experienced player and I know how good he can be, so I get upset as he is not as good as he can be. And there are no reasons why he shouldn't be at that standard}
28 Jan 2013 20:17:23
I believe that after coutiniho, last day of window will be used to bring in 1, possibly more bargains on older player/s. although BR + Stevie g have pleaded for wise heads, fsg will agree to get older players on below market valuations example(Dempsey)
Lfc fans get ready for surprises on deadline day.
28 Jan 2013 20:16:29
I'm not happy with our situation so far.
We need to send some of our youngsters on loan to prove themselves out there before we can deem them as good enough for LFC.
Out on loan should be the likes of Sterling, Robinson, Coates and Wisdom. If they still don't perform, we should let them remain their.
Then we must a matter of necessity sign their replacements. We should sign strong and experienced players and not 20-year old kids who are inexperienced as this won't lead us anywhere.
The English game we all know is played at high tempo and could be quite physical as well. So when making our next signings, we must consider the likes of Wayama, Granqvist, Diakite and Bony.
But if Rodgers, consumed with his model as usual goes ahead to sign more dimunitive and lightweight kids like Allen, Assaidi and Borini, then serious questions would be asked of him.
Abroad Red.
28 Jan 2013 20:15:17
the money kenny and br use if Rafa have that much to spent who he bought.
Lloriente, Suasaeta, Cazorla, Arda Turan, Adrian Lopaz, Robarto saldado, maybe Villa too.
hhh {Ed052's Note - So hhh, you are saying that if Rafa had been manager, he would have, for sure, have bought in all those players: interesting}
He had a chance to sign Turan.
Skurks
So lets mention the 250 million plus rafa spent. get over it move on. were on the right track. jh
Hhh, Rafa had to deal with Rick Parry and that is why Rafa never got to fully build his own team as Rick vetoed a lot of Rafa's targets. On the plus side a least we would not have replaced Alonso with Gareth Barry, swings and roundabouts mate.
Scouse_Pride
Llorente has agreed to go to juve in da summer
Are you sure Rafa use £250m ? Alonso, Reina, Torres, Mescherano, Albeloa, Agger, Skartel, Lucas all is Rafa's buy. Alonso+mesch+torres sale bring back £100m is in it ?
What formation would you use.
KUMBER
Alonso was the only player he sold during his time the rest were by hogdson and KD. you list some good players but what about the rest. degan, Alberto Aquilani, Andrea Dossena, Nabil El Zhar, Mark Gonzalez, Emiliano Insua, the list goes on. I know Parry stopped some deals but no one really talks about rafas bad signings they just talk about the good ones. Rafa spent a lot of money, he had his chance, time to move on. Br has bought very young players, its a project we will have times when it goes wrong. you can't tell me everyone has a great days work, we all have our off days. have faith it will come good. jh
28 Jan 2013 20:13:56
Personally once Coutinho signs I feel our attack is looking strong, with plenty of competition. Coutinho/Sterling on the left. Sturridge/Borini up top and Suarez/Downing on the right (all fairly interchangeable). Add Ince, Suso and Yesil/Ibe to this and we look fairly strong. Assaidi for me, won't survive. He's talented, but like Coates, Sahin etc not suited to the league in my view. It's not a fault, some just aren't cut out for it.
We need a experienced defensive midfield, someone like Senna or Makelele (of a few years ago, not now), who can play 10 - 15 good quality games a season. Someone to step in when the going gets tough and really hold our team together. Players like that are few and far between, but hopefully that'll be a target come the summer.
Defensive wise, we need an alternative at left back (ideally experienced) and a strong, pacey centre half (can be young) to compete with Skrtel and Agger for their places. I'd be happy enough with just one, even if Coates leaves and Carra retires. Kelly (when fit) should be moving over there soon and Wisdom to me, looks much more comfortable at centre half. If these moves happen I expect McLaughlin to be moved to the first team, as an understudy to Johnson as he's talented enough.
The goalkeeper situation is interesting. Jones signing a new contract cements him as our number 2. Reina may possibly leave, but I don't see Butland being the player of choice, despite the rumours. Everyone points to the German league, which makes sense as they have an awful lot of talent, with some strong and commanding keepers. We'll see what happens, but don't be surprised if he looks at Vorm.
We're not talking wholesale changes in the summer, with the goalkeeper likely to be a straight sum swap for Reina. Carroll's money (whatever that may be) covering a cb and possibly that midfielder. The left back may cost more, depending on the quality we're looming. all of that said we may have ended up spending big in January, so I don't think/feel we'd need to spend a fortune in the summer. The owners are backing BR and our squad is starting to look more competitive. Fingers crossed the crucial summer window, will be a wise and productive one.
Papa G
Couldn't agree more mate. Exactly what I was thinking today. If we sign Ince and Cohtinho then I think we're strong in most positions. The main thing I think that will improve are team is time.
Bilverstone
YNWA
JFT96
There is this 25 year absolutely brilliant CDM. Comfortable on the ball, fantastic positioning. Last season he was immense, taking control of games and cancelling out the opposition, controlling the tempo of the game. he took a bad injury but he's starting to get back to full fitness now. We should take a chance on him, name is Lucas.
We also have Yalany Baio and Connor Coady coming thru that will be CDM or CM's for someone at the highest levels, hopefully us.
But, yeah, I think bringing in an experienced head to add strength and bite to the midfield would be a good thing.
SpudRed
I'm Lucas's biggest fan, personally if he gets back to that form he's in the top 5 dm's in world football, up there with Masch, Vidal, Yaya etc.
It's no coincidence the form Gerrard has found. It's obviously down to himself, but BR and in particular Lucas must get high praise for helping raise his game once more.
The reason I said experienced was due to a more limited number of games. If you go for Strootman, he's £20 mil and will want/should start most games. That means dumping Henderson or Allen and that's not necessary.
We just need that experience and strength, as BR says it's mostly mental and not physical that we're struggling with. That said I wouldn't mind a tank in there.
Papa G
28 Jan 2013 20:54:20
Supporting Liverpool FC is not like a tap. You can't turn it on when we win and off when we loose. When you are young and you go to Anfield for the first time you become hooked and it becomes a life time commitment.
Imagine this current team with a back bone of a Hyypia, Mascherano or even Sissoko or a whelan or Mcmahon? That is what is needed and I believe if anyone can find the answers its Rodgers. He gets LFC, he understands the club and I don't believe he will rest until he solves the problem.
Since 1992 we have been beaten by lower league opposition more times (8) than any other premier league team. Did we feel any different in 2007 when we got beat by Barnsley we went on to play in euro final or 2005 beaten by Burnley the year of Istanbul.
We are hopefully going to sign Coutinio and according to Macca Ince is a strong possibility. I believe the team will improve. Sadly we have also been without Kelly long term and Enrique since QPR. I think this season will make us stronger longer term
Redfish68
28 Jan 2013 21:06:04
Well said. Great post mate.
Jolly Red
You've just mentioned Hypia, Mascherano, Whelan etc., highlighting the fact that we are currently spineless. You then go on to celebrate more lightweight signings and then say Rodgers will sort it. You've contradicted yourself Redfish. The problem here is Rodgers isn't sorting the fundamental issue ith the squad, h just continues to wast money on the type of players we already have coming through in the Acadamy.
Ozone {Ed001's Note - you mean like the lack of firepower and pace up front that he made no attempt to solve with the signing of Sturridge, perhaps? That was the biggest problem we had and he is still putting that right.}
Well if he's sorting it Ed, why did he bring in a lightweight fancy Dan in Sahin and then ship him out after a couple of cameos, bring in a winger he never uses, is bringing in another winger, the type of which we already have in the Acadamy and paid £15mill for a player who nobody seems to understand his purpose (he's too lightweight to defend and he is a million miles from being an attacking midfielder). I would argue The only thing Rodgers has done to address one of our problems is bring in Sturridge, the rest has been a pointless exercise in wasting money. What will it take for him to realise we need a couple of water carriers or is he too engrossed in his fantasy football dossier that he doesn't identify with that type of player.
Ozone {Ed001's Note - a water carrier? You don't even know what one of those is! That is exactly the role that Allen does, the same one Cantona called a water carrier.}
Allen a 'water carrier', are you having a laugh. He tries but fails and we're told by Rodgers that when Lucas plays we can expect Allen to Push forward. The lad hasn't got a forward pass in him. How's standing 5 yards off your man all game (against Utd) doing the job of a water carrier. If we're going to have one let's have somebody capable of carrying the water, not a midget who stands off and is easily pushed off the ball.
Ozone {Ed001's Note - you really are embarrassing. You still don't know what a water carrier is, instead of making up more nonsense, like the crap you constantly spout about FSG, why don't you take the time to find out what Cantona was talking about?}
Allen is a million miles from doing the job Dechamps was so effective at doing.
Ozone {Ed001's Note - and Deschamps was considered ineffective, as was Makalele, in their early 20s.}
Don't split hairs Ed001 you know exactly what I mean. Water Carrier, Minder, Ball Winner, Grafter, hard Man, dress it up as you wish, they all do the same job. You've basically answered it for me by pointing out that Dechamps and Makalele weren't effective in their early 20's, the exact point I'm trying to argue. Allens a kid in a position requiring a man. What's he come to LFC for? Do an apprentiship untill he reaches full potential then will he be sold on to realise RESALE VALUE?
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 20:54:14
Wouldn't be suprised if Robinson was shipped out on loan these next few days, apparently in a bit of a to do with management. I heard Derby is an option?
Redfellar
He probably got chewed out by the management for not doing his job according to the trained tactics.
Shockingly, that'll happen a lot when you're managing youth players. Ask Sterling how many times he's gotten an earful from Rodgers or Carra or Gerrard or Pascoe or whomever.
SpudRed
Sorry robbo but you don't tell the captain to eff off ....walk the walk first mate
Marshy
Spot on Marshy, that was disgraceful after he completely destroyed a promising attack.
SMc
28 Jan 2013 20:53:54
Macca is 100% right.
1. Lack of pace is seen as a major problem..
2. Every time we play a physical side we really struggle..
for me Paulinho can be a good choice. Creative midfield we miss Sneijder he may cost us £10m more in 4 year. but he is only £8m buy. Kaka' can be a good midfielder. I still like Momo Sisoko he is so powerfull in midfield.
hhh
Have you ever even seen Paulinho play? Or just jumping on e bandwagon?
R
The lack of pace comment was referring to Coates, not our team in general.
Yes I do. mr R
hhh
Our team do lack of pace man accept it.
28 Jan 2013 20:53:09
bit peeved off with some of the comments regarding Coates
Since Macca has said that he has no future many fans are slating him for his poor performance and how he should not be playing for Liverpool
Yet I can garuantee many of these fans are the ones who've been crying for Coates to play and how he has so much potential that we should give a chance
Regardless of whether he has a future or no future and if he will ever be good enough can't we at least support him! It's not like he's throwing toys out of the pram and not putting any effort in.
I do think he is too weak for his size but yesterday he was against a 6ft 6 striker who was beating Skrtel just as much.
28 Jan 2013 20:52:37
HI eds,
Is Coutinho available for the Arsenal game??
GAM# {Ed052's Note - He hasn't signed yet, and no, he wont be}
28 Jan 2013 20:41:32
I must have watched a different game to most people on here. I thought Henderson and Allen both had decent games. They were exposed at outnumbered due to the formation, but stuck at it reasonably well. People suggesting they gave the back 4 no protection? How many times did Oldham play through our defence? All their pressure came from balls lumped forward which our centrehalves couldn't deal with. Or from their fullbacks getting forward which weren't adequately tracked. Unless I'm mistaken one of their goals came from a poor headed challenge by Coates, one from a non-existent headed challenge from Robinson and the other as a result of a goal keeping howler!
Gerrard made a difference when he came on because we had extra bodies in midfield by then and they were beginning to tire.
BR got the starting formation wrong (2 in midfield was crazy) and we were undone by some extremely poor defending by the Coates, Robinson and Jones and not by Allen and Henderson.
Cheers,
A grumpy Raoul
Completely agree Raoul.
I don't think many fans would have doubted the starting 11 before the game, but then everyone seems to have a PhD in bloody hindsight.
I was actually surprised he started with Suarez, Sturrage - thought he may have used Borini and Yesil. You wouldn't see MU playing Van Persie.
As for Coates, if the guys on the "offload" list for January, then you can see the rationale for playing him as the club need to show he has value. Unfortunately it looks to have backfired badly !
To be fair the team was woefully imbalanced and had no leadership or organisation at all (particularly in defense). I think Shelvey for Borini and Carragher for Coates would've made a huge difference to both those problems but, as you say, PhD in hindsight.
SMc
28 Jan 2013 20:41:32
Eds, is there any truth in the barca interest in reina or is it media guesswork?
JOZLFC {Ed052's Note - Its total rubbish - however, Athletico madrid could be an option for him - luckily}
28 Jan 2013 20:39:10
I love Brendan and his new philosophy, I think he's doing a fantastic job. Its great to have a world class manager and a team if world class team too.
I take it you are being sarcastic mate.
Ozone
Surely you mean 'Pub class' manager?
Love the sarcasm.
Keep it up. We don't have much else left.
Red tape.
28 Jan 2013 20:38:27
Rodgers looking for a LB on loan after falling out with Robinson. Hearing it's that bad Rodgers could sell him. West Brom and Norwich interested for loan.
Warnock on loan til end of season maybe?
Man you do talk some rot you heard from where at least make something decent up like your neighbours dog told you
RED KENNY
28 Jan 2013 20:33:52
Why are we not going for modric that would teach the spuds.
I think he was player of the season b4 he went to real. {Ed052's Note - WIll you finance the move then?}
Why would modric want to go to Liverpool ?
Marky Mark
28 Jan 2013 20:33:42
Eds and Reds,
Is Isaac Cuenca a possible alternative if we don't get Tom Ince? {Ed052's Note - I shouldn't think so}
28 Jan 2013 19:56:43
Here we go again guys and girls, The Brendan out brigade are out in force as well as the team not good enough Blah, Blah Blah, No I wasnt happy yesterday, the team we put out was certainly good enough to win the players just did not perform, Oldham 3 goals were all defensive mistakes, and the second was a clear foul on Sturridge. BR has said all along the Squad is not strong enough and that was proved yesterday our top eleven can take on anybody, BR has said he needs 2/3 Windows to get the squad he needs, have faith and support the Team lets be honest if we finish, 7th or 6th then its an improvement on last season, I feel 4th is out of reach however would love to be wrong.
We have good and bad days but true Supporters support the team through thick and thin, I am unhappy when we lose but don't start screaming BR out !!!!!!!!
Jim
28 Jan 2013 19:52:42
Lfc website announced Coutinho deal but was then taken off. {Ed052's Note - Picture?}
28 Jan 2013 19:45:21
Allen is an excellent passing midfielder
Henderson needs more bite to his game otherwise what does he offer, a.great engine? That doesn't cut it
Borini, believe me this boy is going to be excellent, watched.him at swansea and roma, the boy is excellent needs a run of games.
If we had a Monster in midfield and quality cover cb I would be more confident of top 4, we shall see'
Big Al
Henderson has been one of our best players of recent weeks. Without him we lack drive and energy. Henderson compliments Gerrard. Allen makes Gerrard play worse; for an unseen reason.
Ben Rose
28 Jan 2013 19:45:15
What we really need is someone in the middle of the park in the Case/souness mould McCarthy at wigan or Catermole or the lad at West Ham that is available for £3.5 mil (diame?) {Ed052's Note - Cattermole is a very poor player - he is always seemingly banned}
Forget Cattermole, we need to find the next Graeme Souness to command our midfield.
Rodgers doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. Anyone with any tactical knowledge could have seen that the team selection was wrong - so why did a man earning millions of pounds a year select it.
He's a hypocrite putting the blame on his young inexperienced players. Why not put it where it really belongs, on the young inexperienced Manager?
redmersey {Ed052's Note - How is it Rodgers fault, it contained most of the bloody first team, who were pathetic. People say Carra should have played, but has anybody realised Skrtel might be dropped again and Carra played against Arsenal and City - and that he couldn't play 3 games in 7 days?!}
I really don't want to see carra play against arsenal, Walcott would murder him.rob b
Every team in the world would like to have the next Souness.
I don't know why Rodgers doesn't go in to -> create new player and build one for the team instead of this working the transfer market for available players within budget nonsense.
SpudRed
28 Jan 2013 22:57:11
definitely would look at diame, buy out clause of 3.5 mill I believe and wages would surely fall well within fsg pay structure jir63
28 Jan 2013 23:06:09
ed that was Carra' s game yesterday, you can't be serious about playing him against arsenal and city can you? jIr63 {Ed052's Note - Skertel has impressed recently}
28 Jan 2013 19:44:38
can all you moaners please watch in brendanwetrust3 over an over again and again until you get it judging by some of your posts it will take time and you will need patience but you will become a true supporter 1 day thanks for great work eds
28 Jan 2013 19:40:20
Coutinho looks a talent and is a top young player but 'fans' are still moaning.
however my point is that we should get more experienced attackers.
Dries Mertens is a obvious choice, a wing forward exactly what we need pacey and scores goals. he would be under 15m
what about Jose Callejon of Real Madrid he can play across the front 3 easily. A fast tricky attacker and even though not a starter at madrid scored quite a lot of goals last season.
One thing that sticks out is a Midfield is weak!
Lucas is a good player and is coming back from a long injury but if you had to point out a weakness of his it is his physicality.
Allen is 5'6 and not a physical player
Henderson has been very good this season but he doesn't have a 'power' to control a game.
we need a powerhouse type.
a young Gerrard, Yaya Tour type.
diame would be great 3.5m
that type of player doesn't seem a Rodgers type so should maybe go for someone who can technically control a game like a Alonso.
Strootman would a a great mix of a box-to-box and a Alonso type deep lying playmaker.
Benat - Alonso type player great passer and can dictate a game.
Fact is I think Liverpool need a CM
Whether Diame/Strootman/Benat they would be all good signings.
F5
I agree so much with this post, please buy a big marauding midfielder, strong box to box type, Allen too small and weak, Gerrard too old, Henderson too immature
Lad above well said but the tunnel visions are back on the march
28 Jan 2013 19:26:30
Sydney to Merseyside! {Ed052's Note - I haven't culled any mate - I will keep an eye out}
28 Jan 2013 19:26:19
Everytime I watch Hyppia's farewell I cry.Just wondering what will I do at SteveiG's last game!!
REDistani
28 Jan 2013 19:23:07
Williams and Wanyamma is what we need.
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 19:12:55
Hi eds,
Just wondering if lfc or if anyone else has shown an interest in dejan lovren? seeing as lyon are cost cutting at the moment.
cheers,
SD {Ed052's Note - Not recently}
28 Jan 2013 19:14:46
I agree with Macca about having a soft centre, but I reckon if you play Shelvey in front of the back four and Stevie G Centre mid, problem solved, 4-1-3-2 Shelvey and Stevie aren't scared of gettin stuck in.
28 Jan 2013 19:12:31
Went down to watch our u21's today vs Wolves at the training ground we scraped a 3-2 win, The lad Wolves McAlinden that we were reported to be interested in last is a quality player he didn't score but his pace and movement is a cut above, never mind all the fancy football give me a good old fashioned striker ever time, I think we have missed the boat on him now and it's a shame he's going to be a top player.
28 Jan 2013 19:05:23
Chances of neither Coutinho nor Ince coming to Liverpool this transfer window? Would Liverpool ever buy Coutinho before the window closing without securing a working permit?
28 Jan 2013 19:10:18
Hi eds. you are doing a fantastic job. Just wondered if you have heard whether Coutinho has been having his medical today? There seems to be a lot of conflicting information. Thanks in advance for your reply. {Ed019's Note - Well he should be having it today/tomorrow}
28 Jan 2013 19:03:46
Coutinho will be and official red by the end of tomorrow, Liverpool also keeping eyes on gomis who plays for Lyon who has been told he can leave, Liverpool are looking at Butland and Valdes as their replacement for Reina, Tom Ince deal will be done on deadline day.
YNWA
28 Jan 2013 18:48:58
Eds just watching lfctv, Roy Evans on talking bout Ashley Williams, is there any genuine interest, Roy was rating him............CM68 {Ed052's Note - Perhaps is Agger or Skrtel goes. I cannot see him coming as back up}
Wasn't he saying recently how much he hates Suarez? Or was that someone else?
MIKEY
Maybe he ll think he can displace one of them Ed {Ed052's Note - perhaps, but I doubt he could}
28 Jan 2013 18:46:45
we need a centre half.left back.2 midfielders.winger.back up goalie and striker.
butland
shaw
wanyama
mccarthy
hooper
mertens
williams
If Kenny was still in charge, he'd probably be looking at those type of payers for the reasons you've given and I agree with you mate. Rodgers won't be looking at one of those.
Ozone {Ed052's Note - Half of those players mentioned are no where near good enough - so KK would probably have looked at them!!}
James McCarthy is a must for me get him in the summer, he is already experienced & would gain invaluable knowledge from Gerrard & Lucas the ideal player to add steel to the midfield
Paisley's genius
28 Jan 2013 19:46:49
Couldn't disagree with you more. All those players on that list are average players. LFC need to set their transfer targets a bit higher than your list, none of them are world class and if LFC want to challenge for trophies like the PL and in future the CL then I wouldn't have any of those in my starting 11. However, its not my job to say who we should be getting or going for that is for BR and IA to sort out.
Just on this can I ask Eds a question? Coutinho is he really worth the money we've paid? Also, can you see this 20yr old who I have watched and thought he was just ok going to be the next big thing? He reminds me of Suso with similar qualities but I think Suso is a better player I'm afraid so why do we need him. Sorry if my Coutinho comments offend any of the Lfc faithful who alread think he's the next messiah on here but I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I see what BR is trying to do and that's create a team for 2-3 years down the line but I'm not sure a lot of people on here will be that patient. These are just my views so before everyone gets their knickers in a twist take it easy on me. I like BR, IA and FSG. One last thing, isn't it funny how loads of people on here last week were slagging off FSG saying they wouldn't buy this player or that player. In this window alone they have funded transfers to the tune of 20m plus. Forgive me Eds for not knowing the correct sum but my insider at the club who brings BR his coffee has been off sick this week. I know people on here have loads of insiders at the club who BR and IA tell all about who they are after etc etc.
Albert {Ed052's Note - I am happy with COutinho, but perhaps we have payed one million to much - but we wouldn't pay too much - the manager obviously rates him}
Shaw isn't average Ed. Better this season than Robinson.
Robinson had the world at his feet, now he is bad mouthing Suarez when he shoots from obscure angles, poorly.
Ben Rose {Ed052's Note - no, he is not, I didn't say he was}
28 Jan 2013 18:36:17
We lack steel in CM. apart from the fact, the balance was all wrong in yesterday's game, Allen and Henderson looked very lightweight.
Lower league teams tend to 'scrap games out' rather than 'play football'. We didn't control the midfield.
You could see the change when Gerrard came on as he offered more grit and determination to battle, win the ball and feed it forward.
We need somone in the Macherano mould, tough tackling, ball winning midfielder who will grab a game by the scruff of the neck and dominate the midfield.
I'd actually take Joey Barton at the moment. Say what you like about him, he has the desire to win and wouldn't get bullied by bigger players like Allen and Henderson did.
Buying 'young, exciting, technically gifted, prospects' is ok, but we need the balance of experienced players too.
Lets see what happens!
Sensetalker
Joey Barton is just simply not worth the trouble far too divisive
Can't believe people disagreed with you lad
We just need winners mate
Rather than bring in some person like Barton, It would be better if our current players bulked up a bit.
A lot of our players are still very young, Allen and sterling for example so they should bulk up a bit over the next few years. But I would like to see Lucas go up a shirt size, he is an outstanding DM but a bit more muscle couldn't hurt.
MIKEY
28 Jan 2013 18:41:00
Good news ahead of arsenal game Pepe Reina, Glen Johnson, and Jose Enrique are all fit and ready for action.
Thank god for that.
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 18:26:09
We have every right to criticise the players and the manager.
They weren't good enough end of and played like a bunch of fairies - (except Stevie G and Suarez).
As for BR- he disrespected Oldham by his team and tactics.
JC should have been playing - in fact we should make him the manager now !
M
M = clown
Puzzled
BR disrespected Oldham on what account? He gave youngsters a chance to prove themselves! What are you on about mate! Nobody disrespected anyone! We performed poor & we clearly need some steel in our team, that's what we learnt- also skrtel is off form and Coates was simply horrific on and off the ball, but again he hasn't played for a long long time. But I'd like to know what you saw was disrespectful- what a load of garbage!
MoMo
28 Jan 2013 18:59:28
I mean - honestly. Oldham are just about bottom of the thiord division (in real money). How did we "disrepect them". I reckon they were pretty suprised we put out such a strong side. And even more surpised by how crap it played!
If I was an Oldham fan I would want to know why the players are not putting that effort in every game
Do you not think that his selection was based on the fact that there's injuries and that we were playing three games in a week.
What would have been your team yesterday?
Unless I'm mistaken aside fromthe fullbacks the whole team were capped internationals, so the selection was by no means disrespectful!
The formation was wrong though!!
Raoul
28 Jan 2013 18:24:18
Do not want to beat up on Coates as that has been done already, was at anfield in 2000 when Carragher scored 2 own goals against the mancs & for a while it looked like carra was not going to be good enough but he pushed on & learned, having Sami as a mentor was a massive plus & he was a massive player I remember houllier being roundly criticised for always picking carra, & also with Lucas it can take time, it may not work out for Coates & in that instance Ashley Williams may be a good call experience wise & may be worth monitoring Aston villas situation in relation to Ciaran Clarke, young I know but thought he had a good game against us at anfield & hyppia like qualities, if he could replicate that
consistently think he would be a fine acquisition & Martin Kelly's long term position would point to centreback he too is young as is coady who can play there, yesterday was frustrating but that is football sometimes & as previous posters correctly pointed at least no andy Townsend! Keep well keep red
Paisley's genius
28 Jan 2013 17:27:44
One question eds. your personal opinion...
is coutinho a good signing and do you think it will be money well spent? {Ed052's Note - I have answered this about 10 times now}
Go on, make it eleven!
I believe we now need experienced players and not youngsters
28 Jan 2013 18:18:26
Can we leave yesterday's game in the past now and move on. It's not the first time a lower league team has knocked us out and it won't be the last.
We are also not the club it happens to that's football and being a bigger club doesn't gaurantee you to win. It's over now were out and still in a European competition and also chasing a European place in the league.
I would just like to see people's views on who they would prefer to come into the team next season. Out of the below pick two who you think we need.
1. C. Eriksen.
2. M. Goetze.
3. D. Mertens.
4. J. Rodriguez.
5. A. Sanchez.
6. V. Fischer.
7. E. Banega.
8. S. Defour.
9. L. Campos.
Jonesred
Realisticly C. Eriksen - know he's leaving in the summer, and an offer around 20 million euro may be accepted- absolutely brilliant player with huge potential.
Second player not sure but probably someone like wanyama a Viera Makelele type player potentially to add some muscle in the middle.
MoMo
Eriksen and Sanchez - I think they'd be lethal in the same team.
Belfast Pete.
All of them but none will come
28 Jan 2013 18:12:42
{Ed019's Note - I have created 3 new videos, soon to be put on the 'Liverpool Videos' page. I hope you enjoy them. Thanks All}
#InBrendanWeTrust 3 | Liverpool FC | Season 2012/2013 | HD
http://youtu.be/LxnpwxuVIgg
Philippe Coutinho - Goals & Skills | Welcome to Liverpool | HD
http://youtu.be/yX4H0mOFJgY
Luis Suarez - Limitless | Liverpool FC | 2012/2013 | HD
http://youtu.be/nCAgmOAs5mQ
Ed19
Many thanks Ed019.Loved them.
BigBadBen
Superb compilation thank you
28 Jan 2013 18:04:54
Hi eds, firstly great job keep it up. I've just been reading that jack butland has been backed right in to odds on to become a Liverpool player in january do you think there is anything in this?
In Brendan we trust
Ryan
28 Jan 2013 17:56:41
Has anyone read the things people are commenting on Liverpoolfc official website? Its sickening and disgusting how they are having a go at anyone and everyone. I come here hoping to see a difference and some people with a proper perspective and actual proper banter but all I see is the same old nonsense about get rid of borini get rid of BR get rid of everyone. Its like people don't understand how the world works. When somethings broke you fix it not throw it away, we are not Chelsea or City we don't throw things away cause they're broken we should be the club that fix rather then throw away. Some people actually suggested we go for Mourinho haha ridiculous that man is only driven by money we want someone who does it for the game and the love of the game and we have someone at our club who does exactly that, Brendan Rodgers.
Good post!
littletommythetank
Maybe because truth hurts
28 Jan 2013 17:54:49
Macca just read your post about to soft in the centre, I thought that after I saw us against stoke, we definitely need a combative midfield type player in my view, someone like m'villa, diame or even nzonzi
Indeed, Diame would be a perfect back up for Lucas/til he regains form and fitness and a steal at 3.5m. We really just need that grit in the middle. I'd also think we should send Shelvey or Suso out on loan to a prem team, Wigan or reading would do fine.
GLfc
28 Jan 2013 17:50:21
Further to Maccas comments yesterday I would like to see a player with raw power in the team. Lucas is fantastic and a player I love but is fairly small and gerrard simply doesn't have the legs anymore. How about a player like WHU's Diame as he looks like a baller and has great power. Just a suggestion as I think he could sure us up a bit against the more physical teams and offer protection for skrtel and agger.
James Hallam
28 Jan 2013 19:55:19
James Hallam hang your head in shame. Mr Gerrard doesn't have the legs anymore. Oh dear oh dear oh dear!!! Hasn't he played every minute of every game this season apart from the game at Oldham. Add that to the fact that he's playing a different position to the one under KG. James Hallam I will not lower myself to insulting a fellow Reds fan but poor comment about the man who has been the number one player by far at this club for 13 years. I have never seen a player like Mr Gerrard and unfortunately I don't think I ever will.
Albert
28 Jan 2013 17:42:47
I agree about the Centre Mid Macca but what worries is Rodgers has an abudance of midfielders and has'nt really adressed this as I needed position because 1. he thought Lucas being back may solve it but even at his best he isn't exactly a commanding presence, he does break up a lot of possesion but has to have the right players next to him. I think Rodgers is concentrating to much on this Barcelona model but the Premiership will soon find us out just as they did with Arsenal years ago.
Diame is available but we won't go for him simply because they'll price him out of a move atm.
Yesterday we tried to stick to the philosphy but in games like that you need to be able to mix it up and play in the correct areas.. If Rodgers dosnt know that by now I'm very worried.
I agree with most of your post apart from your anology of arsenal.the problem arsenal have had over the years is the exact same as Liverpool have now which is lack of funds yet arsenal have been up there or there-abouts for the last 15yrs, unfortunatly its no coincidence that the teams that usually finish above them are almost international banks, which begs the realistic question.without the mega funds is that as far as Liverpool or arsenal can realistically acheive barring devine intervention where all the money-bags teams players suddenly come down with bird flu for 4 months?
Liverpools spending in the past couple of seasons is up there with all the top teams in Europe not just the prem . So can't blame owners we just haven't bought as well as others hopefully that's changed with the signings in this window
28 Jan 2013 17:36:38
eds hope your well, i'm gutted with the loss but the young boy's will learn from it i'm sure what's done is done let's move on to the next red men.right ed I just wait to say mr super G can't keep doing it all in middfiled he won't be around for ever.its the same game after game its time for someone to step up, we where so poor 1st half in the middle of the park until stevey come on then it all looked better as alway's when he is playing.we need a middfiled inforcer in the door asap who is not lightweight.and new defender would be nice FSG maybe a 21 year old carra please ?.we were very poor at the back I would have liked to see carra start the game but it is what it is.it's time to move on and hope the red's show what we can do wednesday night come on the boy's win lose or draw forever red cheer's ed.jay essex red for life red till dead.as alway's walking on with hope
28 Jan 2013 17:34:39
I know Coates is young and still learning which is why I won't really moan about his positioning etc. However, the man is the size of a car so how can he have the physical presence of Borini's toe? Astonishing, find some bloody fight!
RobInRed
28 Jan 2013 17:26:14
People go on about Kenny being frivolous with the transfer pot. Allen, Sahin, Borini and Assiadi all a waste of money and now another waste in Continhou. The only decent Rodgers signing has been Sturridge.
Ozone
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Who the hell do you think you are, to judge players before they set foot in England?
Piledriver
Ozone do you EVER have a positive thing to say
Puzzled
Its ozone. no one listens to ozone he is just waro lacky.
KUMBER
The fact that he hasn't made any impact at Inter and is regarded as lightweight by their fans in a league where the footballs played at a relaxed pace. We've got 2 or 3 Coutinhiou equivalents in the Acadamy. Piledriver, do you think Coutinhio would have made a difference on Sunday or do you think Wanyamma would have been more suited?
Yes, Sturridge good signing. That's positive.
Ozone
Another OZONE. "classic"
Poor excuse if a fan
Lyndon
Ozone, I usually agree with some of your negative posts... but this one is ridiculous.
Ok, I don't like Allens style of play, maybe he's been played out of position or it's taking him a little while to settle or whatever, but I do hate his frustrating side to side and back to the defender passing.
Sahin was a boggling one altogether, we get him in on loan, then don't play him and send him off again, so that WAS a waste, but not as bad as paying £6m for Robbie Keane on loan for 6 months (Yes I know we bought and sold him, but you could equate it like that).
The rest of your post is ridiculous, Assiadi hasn't been playing regularly as he's been injured and then went to the ACON, which he's been playing very well in, the same applies to Borinin (Not ACON), and you've obviously not seen Coutinho, because he's got the whole world at his feet.
Go to youtube and watch some videos of him.
(Anyone who says youtube isn't enough to tell if a player is good enough or not is a bandwagon hopper, because all you need to see and know about a player is there on YT; If the player is strong, can pass, can take frees, has pace/is slow etc etc... that is my humble opinion).
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
Why respond to Ozone people - he's just a wind up merchant, who has probably never been to a football match, let alone a Liverpool game.
John B
28 Jan 2013 18:51:44
Best example is Rodgers has spent more then 60M net spend and still we are midtable which is a shock. Neither kenny or Rodgers spent properly. FSG big mistake was to hire Rodgers don't get me I have nothing against Rodgers but Lfc job is too big not only for Rodgers but for a lot of managers we need proven managers to take this club where should be. If owners were giving 60-80m net spend then was better to look for class managers
Some of your points about Dalglish were credible, so I've got nothing against you. But you make a point about Wanyama and Coutinho. I think that Coutinho will win us more games in the future than Wanyama. That is why, I will always go for Coutinho. But who is to say that we won't get any of them?
Piledriver
Let's put it this way. Swap Andy Carroll for Sturridge, Suarez in for a full season (Evra debacle which undermined last season) and last seasons team/ squad is far better than what we have now. Furthermore give Kenny the £50 mill Rodgers will have spent to date come the end of the January (without Commollis input) and we'd have a team/ squad challenging for top 4/ title and no doubt still be in the cups. Kenny was eyeing up combative midfielders (Diame/ Wanyamma), so that shortcoming would have been addressed. FSG should never have sacked Kenny and Clarke, instead we've got a novice hoodwinking the lot of you.
Ozone
Doesn't really matter who the player is, if he's been recruited by BR then ozone will say he's a waste of money and we don't need him and there are better players out there etc etc. what does he know about Coutiniho? the same as the rest of us, we'll just have to wait and see. as for saying 'hasn't made any impact at inter', is this a reason not to buy him? Strurridge didn't make an impact at Chelsea, that's why he signed for us yet you say 'yes, strurridge good signing. that's positive'? a bit of a contradiction there maybe?
littletommythetank
I'm made a judgement on Sturridge when it was rumoured we were interested in him after what I saw him do at Bolton. Coutinhiou certainly didn't have the same level of impact when loaned to Espanyol.
Ozone
What happened to support your team, your manager. Liverpool used to be known for giving managers and players time. I for one feel BR needs min of two seasons from now to make the changes. it takes time to build, city took 3 yrs, spurs took 4 yrs. just calm down have some faith in the decisions. I think we will come good. if you don't then go support some other team. there are so many plastic fans these days. a true fan supports their club through everything, Oldham showed us Sunday there in trouble but they really stick by there team. all i'm trying to say it have faith and keep a open mind. At the end of the day its only football, there lots more going on that is so much more important. jh
28 Jan 2013 17:20:06
llf, durham and gough on reckon rodgers name is in the envelope.very funny lol
28 Jan 2013 17:16:30
Did anyone else notice Robinson telling Suarez to "Fake Cough" after Robinson tried his luck and Suarez had a go at him?
Suarez wasn't even in a standing position to receive the ball, he was half on his knees due to the wet conditions. And Robinson was right to have a go.
So fair play Robinson.
The main point of this post though is to highlight Suarez attitude towards our youngsters, when HE feels they did the wrong thing or they didn't pass to him. I have noticed on more than 3 occasions him giving Sterling a roasting for not giving him the ball.
All right maybe the best option was to pass on some of the times it's happened, but to get on the youngsters' back EVERY time about it is not going to help them with confidence.
Has anyone else noticed Suarez doing this?
I think Brendan hasn't, and he needs to open his eyes to it and have a word with Suarez about it.
Obviously I love Suarez, but I don't want to see him doing things that are not helpful to the youngsters, and maybe he feels shouting at them will make them better, or stop making the wrong choices, but maybe he should have a talk with them personally after the game about it, instead of make them feel humiliated on the pitch.
Thoughts?
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
I think it's just what you do, let them know if you feel you were the right option and ignored. And apologise when you take the wrong option yourself. It's just his competetive nature frustrating him I reckon.
RobInRed
Most players have a moan at others when they think they should have passed the ball - happens all the time. Most receivers of the moans just raise their hands in aknowledgement/apology.
a bit of a kid who was lucky to even be in the team should learn manners if he cannot learn respect - in the reserves/loan/ship out..one of those options MUST be taken
Puzzled
Sr
i totally agree with you, to many people on here think suarez is the second coming and have statues of him at the foot of their bed, he's a fantastic player but isn't exactly a role model human being.if he thinks he can bully the young ones, then he's totally out of order
I posted about this yesterday, when someone said that robinson should be sold for telling suarez to beep off.
stirling has got it on a few occasions this season, rodgers does know that it is happening, how could he not it prob even happens in training, you could tell suarez to stop having a go at the kids, but that would be asking him to lower his passion and desire to win.
KUMBER
Oh come on, this is the premier league, not sunday league. You need to be mentally tough. If your that soft you won't make it.
rikdangerous
Agree with everything you said RobInRed.
And most of what you said Puzzled.
But "a bit of a kid who was lucky to even be in the team should learn manners if he cannot learn respect"
Come on, Suarez shouts at him and Robbo should show some manners and not retort, when he clearly did the right thing and shoot?
Robbo obviously didn't feel there were any other options and didn't appreciate Suarez shouting at him, so he didn't like Suarez "Intimidating" rant at him and told him to do one...i'd have done the same.
I'm sure Robbo would put his hand up to Suarez in acknowledgement if he did something he shouldn't have.
Obviously it's in a lot of players natures' to have a go at others in their respective teams, but I just thought it wasn't helpful.
And seeing as Sterling has been terrible the last few weeks, I thought maybe confidence was the issue, and whether or not being shouted at by senior players has had an impact.
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
All he had to do was square it. He didn't even look up to check if anyone was there. Poor decision making and he didn't have the right to tell Suarez to fake cough.
BthekingB
This was discussed yesterday, were sort of going round in circles.
kidmillions
Did you see Brendans reaction when he didn't try to pass but shot. He was furious.
28 Jan 2013 18:38:03
You do not talk to a senior player like that you think he would of told carragher or gerrard to f-off? I don't think so you have show them respect.
Strabane - he DID do something he shouldn't have - he blasted high and wide from an acute angle when there was another player in the box. You 'doing the same' says more about you than the rightness of Robinson's actions. A 'kid' = junior player being blooded into the first team, would be expected to be at least a little embarrassed at his 'effort' let alone bad mouthing a senior pro/fixture in the team. His behaviour tells me he thinks he is as good as anyone in the team and NOONE can have a go at him.
I have watched him and to repeat he is lucky to be in the team. I wait to
see what action Rodgers takes (though I am sure it will be behind closed doors) and we will see from that what he is going to be like on
the discipline front
Puzzled
Lets ignore the fact, for a moment, that Suarez is one the league's top scorers and one of the most in form and highly rated forwards in the world. Just let that slide for a moment.
Robbo got himself in a forward position and never even looked up or lifted his head to see if there was an option for a forward pass. Obviously, this was *not* what he has been trained to do based on the managers reaction.
Suarez was wearing the captains armband in place of Stevie to start the game. So, he corrected a young player who did not do was he was supposed to do in the tactics of the team. Look, the F**K, Up, next time! Do your job. Shoot after you quick check your options.
But, back to the first point, you have a striker who is 2nd only to a free scoring RvP in the EPL this year. This is the same guy you've seen tightrope walk across the touchline with 3 defenders hanging out of him, or maybe you remember him leaving 4 United defenders either sitting on their arse or catching flies with their mouths whilst he danced thru their 18 yard box.
Unless you're straight on open for a shot, Pass him the sodding ball, please. More than likely, you'll get it passed back to you if you continue your run anyway. Ask Sturridge.
SpudRed
I think everyone has forgotten how Suarez was doing he same hing earlier in the season
28 Jan 2013 16:29:52
Hi Eds, anything you can tell us about Villa or Long ? {Ed002's Note - Such as what?}
Villa are on the verge of relegation and long is the opposite of short! Your welcome!
Hardy1892
Llf, nice one hardy1892
28 Jan 2013 16:52:29
Personally for me Rodgers played a team most of you would've wanted. Coates was the most talked about plaer before the game with hoardes coming on and appealing for Rodgers to play him in front of Carra and how he'd be the perfect 3rd choice behind Agger and Skrtel. Plus considering their front man being a poor-man's Carroll I think the decision to start with Coates was justified enough though I agree b/w Wisdom, Robbo, Skrtel and Coates there were no organisers in defence!
We almost played a 4-2-4 yesterday which, had our players played to their full potential wouldn't have let Coates and Skrtel have a busy day!
All I say is stop blaming the manager, Ian Ayre, Joe Allen, the Eds, FSG, the kit manager, the physiotherapist and just anyone under the Sun for each and every defeat we encounter!
As for people who classify fans as being 'too fickle', 'too blind', 'plastic' or even 'Mancs', I suggest they go to the stadium and instead of giving fellow supporters the vile, reserve it for the visit from the Scum!
Y.N.W.A
Out in Peace
sama491
PS: Eds as always, a big salute to you guys for keeping this site running! Especially Ed002, Ed001 and Ed19 (your YouTube vids are awesome!)
28 Jan 2013 16:50:14
John Lennon will be our next marquee signing as he's been spotted at the airport earlier in a yellow submarine..
Is this true Ed's?
Apples ;96;
28 Jan 2013 16:44:24
Where have these Sanchez rumours come from? Why are Barca willing to get rid? Just don't see how this has developed really...can you shed any light?
Luke {Ed002's Note - Why not try the search function?}
28 Jan 2013 16:35:14
Hey
I would like to ask you if is there any possibility of taking back Torres on loan until thursday?
cheers
28 Jan 2013 16:31:46
this is more a personal view in regards to Butland - do you think his 'poor form' this season could be down to the fact he has no motivation at Birmingham!?!?
He played for GB at Olympics and did quite well and was given lots of praise like future England GK and how excellent he will be.
Surely he would of been expecting a big summer move but didn't happen and his head has gone down playing in the championship.
Do any of the eds think by moving to LFC or even a big Premier League club may kick start him again?
Golfzilla
NO.
is this a real question. he is a 19year old footballer who was seen as surplus to requirement last year and sent out on loan to gain some experience in league 2. that is 3 divisions down from the prem. he is now in the championship, 1 down from the prem. he will have been told that this will prob be a very important year for him. if he does well he would have his pick of top club around the world, but if he loses form he could turn into another, he could have been the next .......
KUMBER
Stuart Pearce thinks he's great?
Well that'll do for me:(:( Lets have a look at some of those promising German keepers that Pearce thinks are awful... Kevin Trapp is 22yrs old and has played 60 games in the Bundesliga and is very highly rated.
kidmillions
28 Jan 2013 19:07:24
I doubt it but.....
If the lads 19 and has lost motivation because of a bit of hype then we definatly need to steer clear!
WelshBoyDave
28 Jan 2013 17:07:12
if coates were to leave, would it affect Suarez's future?
thanks
Spud {Ed019's Note - No}
28 Jan 2013 17:06:07
Start for 4 trophy. 3 gone and Europa Luege can we beat team like A.Madrid . we will lost to zenit for sure.
hhh
How many times have you seen Zenit play this season? Probably none.
We have a very good chance of going through. Stop the negative rubbish.
Zenit beat Milan
28 Jan 2013 17:02:46
Eds what do you think of fabio borini. Please reply. {Ed019's Note - Good player, just needs to return to fitness after breaking his foot}
What is his main position and how do you think rodgers will manage to play him there ed?
Thereddd {Ed019's Note - Striker, I'd say he'll play there & on the wings}
28 Jan 2013 17:00:53
still looking for so call young star? we have many young player in our under 20 team. Cody, Morgan, Ngo, Texeria all have a bright future. why not we go for 1/2 classy player.
hhh
Half a classy player will get us nowhere!
RobInRed
28 Jan 2013 17:30:29
a whole classy player would help more than half of one :-)
I know common sense is not that common but did'nt the original poster meant 1 or 2 classy players? or were the replies were supposed to be funny ..
You ain't half right there:))
kidmillions
28 Jan 2013 18:49:22
With a 1/2 classy player we would get half of the profit we would get for A classy player
ACHILLES.
28 Jan 2013 16:58:12
I would certainly welcome diame if he is available for 3.5 million..would add steel to our midfield nd help out defenders..I can see him going to arsenal or even man u..just a thought
Harry Oldbury
28 Jan 2013 16:56:55
Hate to say it but Tottenham will finsh no 4. look at their sign. Gulfy, Dampsy, Holtby the are far better then Allan, Borini stturege. the last classy player we sign is Suarez after that all the signing is ?
r-r
Sturridge/Allen > Dempsey/Sigurdsson.
Holby hasn't even played a game for them yet.
You're either a troll or just absolutely clueless. Probably both.
Holtby joining them next monday. and watch Gylfi better then Allen.
28 Jan 2013 16:55:16
Coates is heading back to South America. A friend just dropped him at the airport. Lets hope the rope holds and the drugs don't wear off until he's well on his way.
Paulo
That's really nasty. So many people were chuffed to bits when we signed him. This could easily happen to Coutinho and anyone else we sign. He's only young.
Adam
At what point did being young become an excuse for lack of commitment? Skrtel took numerous knocks and stuck his head where it hurt. Coates looked scared of the ball. You can teach positioning and improve technique but mental attitude is hard to alter. Totally agree that Coutinho may suffer the same fate in terms of having a bad match but I'd expect some degree of effort. You think Shankly would have made excuses for Coates?
28 Jan 2013 16:54:07
Brendan Rogers has some learning to do.
I am a big BR fan. He's had the balls to bring through youth (although perhaps he had little choice). He makes decisions (got Sahin/Cole/Carroll out) and has improved some of the players here (eg Suarez/Hernderson/Downing). The style of football we are moving towards is exciting.
We are inconsistent and have taken very few points of the other big teams. I have faith that will improve and we will be at least Champions League challengers next year.
I think he needs to improve his brain-mouth nerve connections though. He said he would discipline Suarez for confessing to diving (and took no action at the time). His next Suarez action is to make him captain against Oldham. I love Suarez, liked him having the captains armband but am just highlighting the managers gaffes.
He's made a few remarks that have left him open for embarrassment. He spoke out about Sterlings contract, Carrolls place at the club too.
But I have faith that he is here to stay. Doubters are unrealistic and this painful season is needed. We really are not far off looking really strong.
Dr Red.
The Suarez as captain move is genius. To discipline a person like Suarez, you need some positive reinforcement and a mutual respect. How better to get it? By making him captain, addressing the Suarez interview publicly and probably having a quiet word, he's prevented what could have been a player/manager confrontation. Suarez knows diving is wrong, he also wants to win at all costs. BR has addressed the first whilst also backing Suarez desire to be a winner. I say well played.
Thought he was wrong on the Carroll comments but behind the scenes discussions may have prompted that.
Sterling needed grounding. He got grounded. Good player, but as BR intimated, he's achieved nothing yet.
Personally I think BR has been a breath of fresh air from a man management viewpoint. Tactically I'm not yet convinced but don't think the squad helps with what he's trying. Would rather he set out the team based on what we've got rather than expecting things they aren't capable of but you can see the plan. Keeping the faith it all pays off.
Paulo
28 Jan 2013 16:22:49
Eds.when are reina, Enrique, Johnson, due back from injury's ynwa {Ed019's Note - Wednesday}
28 Jan 2013 16:22:39
Joe Allen is a good player; I believe he will prove his doubters wrong in the coming months. Yes he is lightweight and lacks physical presence, but right now he's just out of form, and that can happen to someone who has moved to a big club, and is only 22. The 15m price that we paid for his potential is, like Carroll, maybe a bit too much... but at that time, he was really on top of his game.
It now remains to be seen how strong the mental side of his game is, and whether he has got what it takes to bounce back. One SOLID performance, that's all he needs. But going by his current form, I don't fancy him in the team-sheet of our next two games.
Cheers,
Gogol
28 Jan 2013 16:19:18
Honestly, before Oldham game I had these questions in my mind:
1) Why there are news/rumors regarding Coates to be loaned/sold out and BR looking at other CB options such as Diakite/Mirin etc? Coates was Player of Tournament in Copa America( same tournament with players as Suarez, Falcao, Hulk, Cavani etc)
2) Why Johnson is switched to LB and Robinson not being given an opportunity in PL games to shoulder the responsibility of LB? I had advocated about playing Robbo in one of my earlier posts.
I think Oldham game has made my mind crystal clear at least about these questions. Of course BR knows best as he watches these lads train daily and hence their commitment, approach, skills, ability and whether they suit his footballing philosophy or not.
These guys were given their opportunity and they have spilled it. Coates is out of door for sure. Some people are slaying BR now for his comments that youth players have disappointed in this game but he has praised every single one of them too when they have played well so why not criticism where its due?
I personally believe that we as Liverpool Fans have become impatient over such a long course of time in search of redeeming glory that expectations have far exceeded limitations. I have not felt this positive about our club and its future in a decade or so even after the loss to Championship struggling side!
Indian with Red Heart
He didn't win player of the tournament, he won young player of tournament against the heavy favourite neymar.
but good post.
think coates needs a lone to get his game back, rather then be sold.
KUMBER
28 Jan 2013 16:15:56
" Rogers looks like he like to manage young players. Why don't he does us all a favor by going and managing the under 21 and bring in a manager who know how to win games and trophies. Because like this we are going Aston villas way"
Liverpool are 4th in league considering form in the last 6 games. I wouldn't call it "going aston villas way"...
28 Jan 2013 15:58:00
ed, what happened to scott Dann he was supposed to be the next big thing however I have not heard much about him since he has left birmingham. i'm only asking this because of the rumours surrounding coates
Thanks {Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}
28 Jan 2013 16:07:36
I love Liverpool, but am starting to hate the supporters. The amount of people on this website slating their own players is disgusting. I remember when I was proud of being part of the best fanbase in the world...not anymore.
28 Jan 2013 17:19:39
i am sure you are pretty old and have seen Liverpool lifting PL title year in year out...
we belong this to new generation...havent seen anything such..
tell me one good reason..y we should support stuppidity happening in our club...
To the 1st replier,
I'm 19 and I'm not ashamed of my club. Irrespective of the number of trophies we've won or lost. I'll support my club through the storm and through the victories with the same passion and same belief because I'm proud to be a Red!
And don't waste yours and the Eds' time by sending in vile posts. After all all of us dream only to see us back on top!
sama491
I am sure you are pretty old and have seen Liverpool lifting PL title year in year out...
we belong this to new generation...havent seen anything such..
tell me one good reason..y we should support stuppidity happening in our club...
------------------------------------
You are one sad, spoilt excuse for a fan.
dd
If you want prem titles go support man city, man united or chelsea. we do not need people like you.
KUMBER
Kumber, your reply is self defeating.
I want to see Titles being won at Liverpool, but your post says go and support someone else then as Liverpool are never going to win one.
I don't appreciate that kind of rhetoric towards fans who want Liverpool to be successful!
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
Very true Kumber
Gav
28 Jan 2013 16:05:41
surely if suarez was ever to be considered to be sold he would easily be worth 60+ million. anyone who thinks less is an person. best player in the prem this season by a mile
I'll put my money where my mouth is if you do. I bet it'll be nearer to 40m.
PiInTheSkyMan
What about van persie??? blinkeRED
RVP has arguably been the better finisher but Suarez is (imo the far) better all around player
Suarez has more to his game than van persie.
28 Jan 2013 16:02:58
shane long or wilfried bony??
hmmmmmm I know who i'd go for.
any slight, tiny bit of a chance that we might go in for bony eds?
imagine the african hulk up top with suarez and sturridge each side
booooooooooom {Ed019's Note - None, sorry}
28 Jan 2013 17:22:05
dont worry none will come
BR will add probabaly anther midfield player..
after spending almost 70 % of our money in re constructing the midfield...
he will again spend...in midfield...coz..its not good enough...
28 Jan 2013 15:45:07
Some fans seem a bit confused on certain issues and are contradicting themselves. One in particular is the goalkeeper question. It seems that a large number of people want reina out, why I can't understand, he's still one of the best keepers in the epl. Today's postings mostly consist of bemoaning the amount of young players we have and are buying, 'we need more experienced players' you keeping say...then you talk about getting rid of reina? And this is the part I'm struggling to understand, replacing him with jack butland! Seriously? You want to replace an experienced keeper like reina with a 19 year old kid who's not even playing in the epl and even worse he's conceded 45 goals in 28 games in the championship... Come on! Does that really sound like a good idea?
Littletommythetank
28 Jan 2013 15:38:05
"All Rogers buys are very risky, young and inexperienced, after £40 mill + spend our best 11 still are benites and daglish singing.We need expirience and leaders like gerrard and carrigher, we sow yesterday how the young players were like headles chickens. Go and get Ben arfa and cabaye And give newcastle Carroll + cash. And we may have a chance finishing 4. Claude sky's for us and I can't see sun coming out soon" ynwa""
Who quoted that? Is it you SAF?
sama491
28 Jan 2013 15:36:23
Not taking yesterday game into account, we don't seem to be a difficult side to beat these days.
I think you have to go back to the Rafa days when we were so difficult to play against, he played with 2 defensive MF.
IMO Lucas has been a big miss for us, we need a strong player to marshal our defence which Allen can't, maybe we need another tough mf to help out?
We're way to inconsistent. On our day, we can rout any team, it's just turning it on at the right place and day. Use the last UTD game as an example, we can out awful in the 1st half and deserved to be losing, but came out the second and should have grabbed a point. I don't think we're easy to beat, you've got to find us on the right day or just get lucky.
Hopefully, this Weds and this weekend will be the turn of that.
ChrisMiz
28 Jan 2013 15:30:19
why is every one bangin on about butland. if any1 has seen him play this year he aren't playin great, and I know he's only young. just sayin
28 Jan 2013 15:14:29
Rob jone from doncaster rovers is believed to be going to LFC as a player then as a coach! Scored 7 this season so could be back up for coates then he will retire and become coach. currently 31 yo. YNWA
28 Jan 2013 15:13:05
BR alWays on about how small our squad is but he sold kuyt bellamy and rodrigurez if these guys were still with us we would our performance would be much better {Ed019's Note - He didn't sell them - Kenny sold Kuyt & the rest left to go to their old clubs]
They were all gone before Brenden came in!
Did Kenny sell Kuyt or was there a clause in his contract that was activated?
28 Jan 2013 15:08:54
Glad we got Sturridge done promptly but I don't understand why we leave business to be done so late.
Im not going to be supprised when the window shuts and no more players have came in.
Well Coutinho is due for a medical soon, I believe.
So where's your surprise face?
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
28 Jan 2013 15:07:23
Jack Butland has made it clear his preference is join Liverpool in this transfer window. Ian Arye will authorises a £4mil bid for him to be completed on/by deadline day. He may be loaned back to Birmingham until the end of the season so he can continue gaining 1st team experience. Reina will be staying until the summer window after talks with Brendan Rogers were productive. A move to Atletico Madrid seeming a most likely destination.
Dr King Schultz
28 Jan 2013 14:56:53
Only good thing I can see from yesterday is, no FA cup to distract us, just concentrate on the league. By the way, we shouldn't be letting 3 goals in from a league 1 side, that's beyond embarrassing. Doesn't matter that we have youngsters on, they play for a top premier league side, should have the talent, if not then ship them out.
28 Jan 2013 14:51:07
Not a rumour but I'm very excited to see coutinho come to Liverpool I lived in Recife for 5 years and watched him many times when he played at Vasco. What a wonderful country it is as well.
Any interest in Pablo Sarabia? Thanks guys {Ed019's Note - Nope]
28 Jan 2013 14:49:00
I can't believe we are going for another 20year old kid, we surely need experienced players to mix with some kids, look at how good Gerrard was yesterday he was unbelievable yesterday but just not enough around him, as for Allen we might as well have played with 10, he gets more ball than anyone but passes back or sideways never forward, and never a lfc player, GREENY s.wales
28 Jan 2013 14:48:33
Afternoon eds just posting what's on my mind, I can't see Reina going in January but I can see him moving on in the summer.i really hope we sign ince, and I also think coutinho would be a good signing. Butland for 3-5-4.5m is a steal so these are my thoughts.
Ince 7.2m - Blackpool receive close to 5m
Coutinho 10m there or there abouts
Butland 4m stays on loan at Birmingham until summer
Coates 7m gremio or Napoli
Cb comming in on loan with view to permant deal
then in summer get rid of dead wood
Reina
Downing
Carroll
Henderson
Borini
47m to be made there
Cheers
Danandovski
Sel Assaidi and Keep Henderson as well as Borini. Borini really had no time to prove him self as he was injured and Henderson looks preety cool right now.
Maibe we should off-load Shelvey too, but no sale, loan maybe, to get some experience and play time.
Henderson, dead wood?? Do you watch the games?!
U are a joke mate. deadwood?. borini hasn't even had a full season. and henderson is coming on leaps and bounds. we need to get rid of deadwood supporters like you
Was this meant to be a serious post?
jaycee
28 Jan 2013 14:42:22
Oussama Assaidi has just touched down at John Lennon Airport, 1442 hours ......
28 Jan 2013 14:37:51
Everton to sign 22yr old Dutch Midfielder Fer for £8mil
How the hell did we miss this one? {Ed019's Note - We didn't 'miss' anything}
To be Fer we was never in for him.
Thatracoonstolemybacon
Good signing by everton
spurs have also got holtby this window
Is it true man united donated the £7m to their favorite charity, so they could buy him?
So what are you saying? every time a team signs a player, that we missed him. We can't sign every player who becomes available
28 Jan 2013 14:36:05
The biggest disappointment from yesterday, this week of all weeks, is that there is now no way that we will receive a fee for Coates .
He has now played his way into the Aquilani / Joe Cole situation where we actually pay his new club to take him .
Sorry but if Jones wouldn't have fumbled the 2nd goal we would have gone into half time 1-1 and Brenden could have sorting it out, Coates along with every other player were poor, Allen was useless in helping out in defence and I'm struggling to see what he offers our side.
28 Jan 2013 14:32:39
Hi quick question if we do sign coutinho as expected what's the deal with a work permit? Doesn't a player have to have played 75% of there games for club or country? {Ed019's Note - 'Exceptional Talent' ruling}
Ed, do you think this "Exceptional Talent" rule is a bit, you know, ridiculous?
How do the FA (Or whichever governing body) decide who is an "Exceptional Talent"?
What constitutes this type of player in their eyes?
I mean what if a young player was to go to England and he was exceptionally talented at being awful, shouldn't he be allowed to go to a club in England too?
It seems a little dubious of a rule.
SR (AKA StrabaneRed) {Ed002's Note - There are broad subjective criteria that need to be met but most often clubs will seek the support of one or two independent folks for the proposal.}
Cheers Ed, that's the term I was looking for - Subjective.
I think the rule needs to be changed, as to avoid accusations from "Smaller" clubs, that the rule only benefits "bigger" clubs. If you see what I'm getting at.
Scrap the criteria altogether and either allow all players to play under the "Exceptional Talent" rule until a work permit is issued, or reject everyone who hasn't got a permit until they do get one.
It is unfair to allow some players in who are judged (By speculation) to be "Exceptional".
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
28 Jan 2013 14:31:04
Is Liverpool interested in Levante's Vicente Iborra? {Ed019's Note - Not that I know of}
28 Jan 2013 14:27:27
anyone know if the under 21's are playing? can't find any links?
aussiepool tristan
28 Jan 2013 14:26:42
Just watched BR conference, he looked like a men under a lot of presher. Very critical of the youngsters.
I wonder if Rodgers was as critical of himself as he was one or two of the unmentioned youngsters? ..."this is a harsh school, this isn't a club where a young player can come in and have lots of time to settle, this is one of the biggest clubs in the world, so you need to understand that every game you play is a Cup final and yesterday we had one or two that were too soft, simple as that, so if you want to have a career at a club like this here you got to be tougher then what we had a few yesterday..." ...the hypocrisy may lie in the fact that AI'm sure he expects to be given time.
Surely a manager of Rodgers so called capabilities realised that the Oldham game was going to be "battle" which required old heads and those "up for the fight". If you are going to play a makeshift defence then surely the players you pick in midfield will be able to assist and provide cover when needed - Robinson and Wisdom had pretty poor games, but they didn't get too much help from those playing in front of them - Allen, Sterling and, Borini were abject yesterday.
Bang on wasn't rocket science lower Leauge club struggling managed by Dickov
28 Jan 2013 14:24:03
I've just seen that Insua has moved to A.Madrid, really happy for the lad to be at another big club because I really rated him and was sorry to see him leave.
Anyway my question is that reports say Madrid paid 10m for him but Sporting only got around 4m of it....Did we have some kind of sell on clause or anything?
Keep up the great work
YNWA {Ed019's Note - Yep, £1.2M}
I also thought he had a lot of promise. Shame no one could hide his cutlery!
Nick
28 Jan 2013 14:17:23
Do any of the eds have any info on Ashley Williams? Possible target for the summer? Really starting to rate the lad, and our team could really do with a presence like his, considering how quiet and vulnerable the majority of the team are. Keep up the good work eds, it's a boss site! {Ed019's Note - Please use the Search Function}
Williams has been much better than Skrtel this season. If skrtel does move on, I would be delighted to see williams join.
Indian Buzzer
Please please please NO Williams!
28 Jan 2013 14:12:59
Rogers said only talks have gone on with inter nothing els good work always right keep it up
Liverpoolleonred
28 Jan 2013 13:59:36
Rumour has it in Denmark that Liverpool are interested in buying Daniel Agger's young brother Ruri Agger. YNWA JFT96
28 Jan 2013 13:55:17
Ince not in a rush to leave Blackpool after watching the pathetic display at Oldham {Ed019's Note - By the way, who's the shock exit from Liverpool, Mr Melwood?}
Have you just been exposed by one of the eds? Tut tut you cheeky chippy trying to pull a fast one
Ashy
28 Jan 2013 13:50:06
Suarez was so upset at losing yesterday that he is considering leaving in the summer. He feels that he is so much better than what's around him and the current set up will not win anything. If he feels like this, then we do not need him and we should let him go.
Spanish Scouser
If he feels that he deserves to play in a better team he is absolutely correct ...... can anyone dispute that ?
...I mean if you're going to make something up! Ha!
Well, I certainly cannot dispute the theory that anything either of the first 2 posters said was based on anything other than extreme amounts of red bull and 5 hour energy, mixed in with some slight mental illness and an overall sad, lonely, and pathetic life.
SpudRed
28 Jan 2013 13:46:58
so its pretty much sure...
bayern wil get suarez...pep will make him the next messi..and suaez know this...he won't be highlighted in barca, nor real..
but at bayersn with pep..he going to rock this world...
I am always happy wen our ex Liverpool players succeed overseas...
but this is reality...and fact..wether he signed a contract or not...
and common wen he signed he obviously believed we will be in CL...but look at now {Ed019's Note - I swear we have some very dramatic fans}
Ed019, who do you and this crazed and delirious poster support? I had thought you were a LFC supporter. {Ed019's Note - If this guy supports Liverpool (which I think he does) he is a dramaqueen}
28 Jan 2013 13:46:33
Not a rumour but did anyone see Jamie Carragher mouth/ say 'get him off' when borrini was on the floor after the ball touched him in the face yesterday. Then Gerrard Shaking his head? Think yesterday proved that we need experience like Gerrard said. In Brendan I am yet to be convinced.
Yeah I saw that. Think of all the times Carra has flung himself in the way of the ball over the years. I would have taken Borini off there and then to teach him a lesson. The look of absolute disgust on Gerrard's face says it all.
Mantis
28 Jan 2013 13:41:01
Anyone know why today's u21 game isn't on lfctv?
Swampmonster
28 Jan 2013 13:31:19
I fully accept and understand there is no quick fix and I am personally against it..
But common man..
Over three years, new owners, more than 120 mill spend...
you should be better than this by miles...
Shame...
BR had 2 purchases in summer...no contribution whatsoever...
we are being insulted by others time and time again..
NO CL next season...it would be very hard to keep suarez at the club...
YNWA {Ed019's Note - Commoli wasted most of the money - and it's not our fault Torres wanted to leave}
28 Jan 2013 13:28:05
Hi fellow reds,
There is no way of putting a loss to Oldham in a good way, but I'm not going to go into who played badly and who did what because everyone and every team has a bad game every now and then. I believe this could be a blessing in disguise for us as it means that we can buckle down a focus on getting 4th in the league and the Europa league. I noticed before the game Rodgers, downing and sterling all said that winning the FA cup would be great and it made me think that they may have been thinking of focusing on the cup like last year. But now they don't have that to worry about and they'll have to prove there good enough for that 4th spot and need to beat arsenal and try to get something off man city.
But there was one thing that really annoyed me yesterday and that was the disgraceful language of Robinson that was caught on camera. Not only this but it was directed at Suarez his own team mate. Suarez is an amazing player and deserves respect from everyone but he doesn't get it from anyone outside the club and that probably doesn't bother him but from his own team mate is rather upsetting.
Bad game yesterday but aswell as the negatives we need to look at the positives in which there are many.
Perth Red
28 Jan 2013 15:47:30
dont worry...we are gonnna crash out of europa league pretty soon..
since EPL is no knockout..we will still play whole season...
28 Jan 2013 13:24:14
Coates should go to qpr on loan till the end of the season, it'll be good for both of us. We'll see if he's any good and he will gain experience. Also our front 4 went missing yesterday and that tactics were wrong. Brad jones had a howler, but forget about it there's still UEFA to go for and 4th place to gain. Lets walk on together never alone
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28 Jan 2013 13:23:09
Great job eds, and to all of you slating rogers, yesterday was a misshap and where we had loads last season, there has been few this season, its going to a good season this season, with the youngsters coming through, so if you are quiting on rogers you are quiting on Liverpool, hence not really a supporter.
And this is a rumour website so bear with the eds, they only give solid information when they get it and share what rumours they know
At least learn to spell his name right
West Brom, Swansea, Aston Villa & Stoke...do they count as "mishaps" too?
28 Jan 2013 15:06:57
Mate your acting like kid now Liverpool fc is bigger then rodgers and always will be people like Rodgers will come and go but fans and club will remain forever
Rodgers needs to buck up how many times should we say Allen can't play in deeper role. Allen is very weak and gets bullied of ball very easily. Yesterday formation was beyond believe playing 4-2-4 was crazy Hendo was babysitting Allen at the sametime doing the job. There was no cover at all for our defenders. Even if we bring world class defenders if there is no cover for them from midfield they will struggle
The same people slating allen are the same people who were slating hendo and lucas when thy first come, now look at them, coming on very well. give allen a chance he's not even been with us a full season
supporters like you really grind my gears
28 Jan 2013 13:22:01
I have to say even though we lost to Oldham, I'm very confident about the games coming up.
Arsenal-I feel are weak defensively, I reckon we can snatch a win or at least a draw.
Man City-as much as I want them to pip United to the title again, I think we can get something out of this game. Draw maybe.
West Brom-Lost to them early in the season but seem to be on a downward slope recently. Win here.
Swansea-Again very good team, very solid and hard to break down. We have them at Anfield so I'm guessing a win here.
Wigan-We struggled against them in recent seasons but with a full strength team I think we can win easily.
Tottenham-Difficult game but if we can get the pace of Sturridge in behind their defence it could decide the game.
So I am confident we can snatch at least 12 points out of our next 6 matches!
Cheers,
DublinRed.
I don't see us beating swansea or spurs. They are our bogey teams, and both are in very good form. Very important that we take atleast 4 points off gunners and citeh.
Indian Buzzer
28 Jan 2013 13:06:31
SHELVEY to go on loan for the rest of the season looking for more game time.
With Sturridge in, Ince and Coutinho coming and Borini fit again it would also be unlikely that Shelvey would get a game even in that "false 9" position.. At the start of the season BR had expected much improvement from Shelvey but Henderson has impressed instead with his improvement and versitility.
Shelvey will go on loan for the rest of the season with the option to buy... Wouldn't be surprised to see stoke/Sunderland/Villa/Norwich showing some interest.
YNWA The Pirate.
So Henderson has impressed has he. If you watch the closing couple of minutes yesterday you will note that he had the ball 2 or 3 times, every time, when we were looking to go forwards, he chose to go sideways or backwards. That was half the problem in the first half, he and Allen play a similar holding game, takes too much forward play out of midfield.
Shelvey at least tries to go forwards. That 60 yd attempt to release Suarez was overhit but you have never seen Henderson try to set up an attack with such a ball.
Monty the Red
Shelvey should have started yesterday, when your playing Stoke like teams, you have to at least match them with aggression, playing small light-weights was always going to go wrong, allen and sterling should have been saved for wed nite, not been sunday dinner .
redforever
Red forever so true funny how it seems etc
28 Jan 2013 13:01:03
N/W have signed players that would have helped us.
Deblucy, Mbia (CB) and Sissoko would have solved
our issues
Deblucy at RB, Johnson at LB
Sissoko Physical presence at CB
Mbia Physical CB.
We could have sold Coates, carrol and got these :)
We can't sign every single player available out there.
Chaki
Agree completely. These three players are real class and the Geordies only paid £13m for the lot. We paid £15m for Allen!
If you want to form a credible argument at least spell names right and get positions correct. Sissoko plays at CM and I doubt he'd want to sit on the bench each week when he can get first team football at Newcastle. I doubt M'Biwa is better than Skrtel or Agger and like Sissoko wouldn't want to sit on the bench.
Hans
Well Hans why would he have to sit on bench if he's that good? Not saying I disagree, just surely these guys would think their good enough to get in side
28 Jan 2013 12:58:49
Forget Ince for
we need Diame and Zambrotta
Zambrotta?
He is what 34 now?
Chaki
28 Jan 2013 12:58:27
Apart from Gerrard we have no leaders, we need more experience like giggs or phil Neville, if Rodgers can't bring in new faces FSG need to go
FSG have got Sturridge & possibly Coutinho & Ince. that's about 30m spent including agent fees etc.
You have to accept the fact that until we can get into champions league we cannot attract "big name" players. FSG have a model, give it sometime before you start moaning about it!
Chaki
Phil neville?
28 Jan 2013 12:53:00
reading have had and 8m bid accepted for tom ince, Liverpool will not match that after letting him go for next to nothing
28 Jan 2013 12:50:00
Yesterday's game was crying out for Lucas. Someone to battle hard, close down and break up the play and start an attack with simple passing. Allen to lightweight once again. Seen a few shouts for Diame, which I agree with, not sure on the price bracket and how long he is sidelined for. Any idea Ed's?
Bristol red
Price bracket? I thought he had a release clause of 3.5 million did you even try and search before saying something like "not sure on the price bracket".
Diame would be good. At 3.5m quoted price, he would be a quality cover for Lucas.
But why not try Conor Coady in there?
Chaki
28 Jan 2013 12:44:26
News will break shortly of the coutinho move collapsing inter have pulled the plug gutted 100% genuine. Club are far from happy with inter.
28 Jan 2013 12:34:58
Liverpool paying 8.5M for coutinho who can't get a game in serie a's 4th placed side? And we want in the top 4 in epl? Miles stronger league and we buy someone from them that's hardly a game...
Liverpool over paying again?! People just know ohh its Liverpool bidding up the price. This guy was good potential but came to nothing fair enough 4/5m not nearly 8.5. Crazy and I bet david moyes with hardly any cash will bring in a player for 1m and has a bigger impact were spending 4 times them every season so realisticly we should be 4times better than them it shows we are not spending money on right players Liverpool do spend money people seem to forget that we haven't got the tightest budget in pl yes its restricted but not like other clubs. Seriously you look at coutinho and you think he could play against stoke!
Couldn't agree more, it's becoming farcicle.
Ozone
People go on about Kenny being frivolous with the transfer pot. Allen, Sahin, Borini and Assiadi all a waste of money and now another waste in Continhou. The only decent Rodgers signing has been Sturridge.
Ozone
Goodman ozone back after a loss ;)
RB
No worries, Ozone, I'm sure in a few games without scoring you'll be able to slate Sturridge as well. Supportive as ever I see.
Yes always 'on que' me RB. Knee jerking after a loss.
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 12:25:14
Thanks again for all the work Ed's. Ed 001, you seem confident Marco Rojas won't sign. What is this based on?
Cheers,
Burkeyboy.
28 Jan 2013 11:13:12
Ben Arfa to Liverpool deadline day!!
The Geordies will want around £15m for Ben Arfa and he is very injury prone. Sounds right for us!
Doubt it would happen, but if it does it will be a quality signing.
Chaki
28 Jan 2013 12:23:55
I heard a rumour that Suso will be joining Wigan on loan till the end of the season, Blackpool are meant to be interested as well tho. Nothing finalised, all depends on Liverpool signing a player (most likely Coutinho)
Dr King Schultz
We shouldn't be giving Blackpool anything!
ND
28 Jan 2013 12:21:41
Skrtle went round more players in one move, more than sterling has done in a month.
Whats wrong with him? I remember when he was first getting put in the team, he would get the ball to feet, then there would be a noise from the crowd, a kind of "go on lad" and he would try it, would knock it past them and go, and we applauded even if he lost it, because it was exciting.
Now he just receices the ball on the wing, and passes to a full back or a cm. its a worry for me becuase I love the kid, but at the moment, I would be picking downing ahead of him...
Benny baller
Because he is overrated
Inexperience, and been put on pedistal when your not quite there yet. It will come together for the young lad eventually. Just not quite ready yet.
SimoLFC
Because he has developed the habit of standing still as soon as he receives the ball.
Just look at Luis and see how he uses the speed and direction of the ball to advantage.
Once Raheem is develops that skill he will fly past defenders but he also needs to look up to see where his best options are. Beating one defender is usually enough before sliding a pass to a better placed team-mate but Raheem spoils it by taking on more than he needs to. He'll get there.
Midsred
Maybe it's cause he's 17 get off his back and have a reality check
He deserves a rest. Get back to basics & learn on his weaknesses. He is still 17 & got a lot of time ahead for improvement. For a 17 year old, he has done amazingly well.
Chaki
He's had his pay rise.
Ozone
He is not overrated just very young. It is at this stage of his career that he needs an arm around him and not getting balled out every time he plays badly.Personally, I would start him on the bench for at least the next month, maybe then he can become more of an impact player while growing in confidence and learning the game a wee bit more. I am prob wrong, just my opinion.
Fred
28 Jan 2013 14:40:06
Inexperience, mental + physical tiredness, and a slight erosion of confidence as a natural outcome. He'll come back to form.
Dawkins
He is 18 lads that's why he got his contract keep up with things will ye !
28 Jan 2013 12:21:21
We can all see and Macca has stated that we lack that physical side of the game. Two players we should look at
1) victor wanyama (mid) of celtic, powerhouse and can play.
2) Jores Okore C/B Cheap, power quick and good footballer. Plus maybe Danny Agger might have a word in his ear.
What do you think Ed?
Wanna a would be a great signing but I'll put my house on it that Rodgers hasn't even considered the lad. He'd rather have lightweights or midgets.
Ozone
That should be Wanyamma.
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 12:20:17
Touching on what Macca said we do need some experience with some power. We almost got diame with kenny has there been any interest since, surely his price would be a bargain. I would also like williams but his suarez comments won't of helped him out.
Cheers guys.
If only Kenny was still here. It was clear what type of team he was putting together. If only Carroll had done what it said on the tin. Instead we've got this tiki tikki tripe being dished up by a novice reliant on a dossier because he has no footballing experience of any note.
Ozone
If only you would stop trying to persuade the masses with every boring post, we might believe you had an opinion instead of an agenda, Ozone
cozinoz
If only you could demonstrate an ounce of footballing knowledge instead of being a lemming with your drivel cozinoz, I might be able to get to the end of some of your posts without losing interest.
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 12:19:56
It seems like a lot of people are talking about a physical presence in midfield, I didn't read Macca's post last night before I posted on banter, and he said much the same thing, after reading through the posts in banter this morning, it seems like almost everyone is saying the same thing. But the thing is, we have been saying this about the midfield all season.
We look better when Henderson is there, because he highlights a problem within our midfield. Legs. Gerrard isn't the same in that aspect, and Lucas has just come back from injury. And IMO, Joe Allen needs time and both he and Raheem Sterling need to strengthen up, or else we are going to have lightweight players from 1 to 11. Barcelona have basically 11 midgets, but they are strong. And it's no good in this league, its not La Liga, where most teams try to play the same and have similar players of small stature. In the Premier League you need a mix and we have been found out in the FA Cup, not just at Oldham, but also Mansfield, even these teams can see how we can be got at. It's common sense.
We have signed Sturridge, we needed that sort of player. For 6 months we were short. Owners are to blame largely. OK they didn't want to pay the money for Dempsey, but they could have had Sturridge in the summer.
It looks like we have signed Coutinho, looks alright, but do we REALLY need him? Is he going to make a difference without a strong dominating midfield behind him? Surely he will be isolated like the forwards were yesterday?
We're looking at Ince, who looks alright at championship level against physical sides.
Coutinho and maybe Ince would have offered nothing yesterday, we already have those sort of players and they were ineffective, mainly because the midfield and defence was getting pushed over. And it only really got a bit better, when they brought Gerrard and Shelvey on.
So with that being said, the alarm signals were going off months back in need of this physical player who can play in this system. As it allows the rest of the team to comfortably play the football further on up the pitch.
It doesn't need to be a one dimensional player, you can get Patrick Vieira/Yaya Toure like players, who carry the ball forward and score goals.
We have the perfect opportunity to push on and challenge for top 4. But we need that one player. Diame is £3.5million and Arsenal are also looking at the player, because guess what? They have the same problem as us! And they have smaller, better technicians in midfield than us. They know what this sort of player offers in this system, they had it in Vieira, its just as pivotal as your Suarez, Messi or Henry. I'm not the only one calling for this signing, loads have on here.
If Arsenal sign Diame and kick on for top 4, and we don't get that player and finish where we are. We will be kicking ourselves, because the answer was staring us right in our faces.
At £3.5mill, its a steal, an absolute steal. No excuses. Just look at how West Ham have dipped since he was injured. He is so important to the team in this league. He dominated us at Upton Park, and has dominated other teams, Arsenal also.
Surely Rodgers see's the area of importance, it's blatant, surely Diame is a great fit?
But oh! He is 25, that's far to old! So FSG won't be sanctioning a deal.
28 Jan 2013 12:18:52
It occurs to me that what this team needs to return it to the glory days is some players with moustaches. Especially a hard as nuts central midfielder with a good thick wedge of hair on the upper lip. If we had one of those in the team i'm sure Oldham would have been a very different game.
A striker with a tash wouldn't go a miss either (if he stays perhaps Luis could grow one?).
As a further option with Pepe likely off in the summer a moustachio'd shot stopper would complete the return to glory.
Do you want them to wear leather kits too ?
Great post!
28 Jan 2013 12:12:31
pic of Ince at Oldham with Xavi and Reina 2 over on inces left.. Xavi Reina swap deal bring it..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBoVIrlCAAA0XAS.jpg
28 Jan 2013 11:59:26
Quick question. With all the talk running up to the January about Tom Ince coming back, what ever happened to Liverpools previous interest in Matt Phillips?
Was there interest? I seem to remember him being discussed, either in the last window or Janaury. He seems to have dissapeared off the map a bit.
Just curious.
Neil W {Ed019's Note - There was interest, but it went with Kenny}
28 Jan 2013 11:55:09
Morning Ed's
Quick question if you hvae the time to reply please?
Tom Ince, is he substantially better than Suso and Pachecho. I haven't seen enough of him to decide myself. Suso is progressing nicely but lacks end product, pretty much the same for pachecho. Will Ince be more consistent in terms of the final ball and goals scored, or do you think we largely buying a player of similar calibre to those we already have?
Thanks in advance
Andy H {Ed019's Note - He is better than Pachecho and probably Sterling right now}
28 Jan 2013 11:56:28
The problem with Liverpool is there is too much fine dining. The team is becoming soft. Sort it out Brendan and get some stak down them.
There was a time when a couple of team mates of mine used to have a glass of raw eggs and port before a match !
Haha, FSG sake. Dunno what it was supposed to do. Mind you, they were lunatics so maybe it just made them even dirtier on the pitch.
The Juicer
28 Jan 2013 11:52:45
if you can't give allen a brake after scoring a goal and giving us hope of a draw that s not right coates looked like his head was already out the door and who does robo think he is talking to luis like that the kid is poor and needs to be slap back in to place
28 Jan 2013 11:45:13
It gives me hope when I see so many fans show their disappointment, hurt and anger at such a performance and results
The minute the fans begin to accept such a performance we are dead in the water
The owners / management / players all know the expectations of LFC - they mention it often enough
If they also start to think yesterday was acceptable then again we are dead in the water
Realists will say we are in transition and it will take time - far enough - but never ever lower your standards or expectations
Yes, losses will happen but don't just accept - you wouldn't want the players / manager to accept it - they should all hurt and be angry and show passion
Glad Rodgers came out and said he was disappointed and it is not acceptable but he lost some respect for not shouldering any of the responsibility
Leam Red
LFC fans never lower your expectations
Never accept mediocrity
Never lose your passion
Always support the team but not passively - let the club and others know who we are and what we expect
A certain song goes on about walking through storms / having our dreams tossed and turned but always having HOPE in hearts
Real fans would not just give up and accept this standard of performance.
Great post can think of 4/5 regular cowboys on here who excuse that carp.If you accept it you become it.And we all know who they are.Were all fans, but they spout nonsense in trying to relay I'm more loyal than you carp (Yet I know at least three on here, admit they don't go, or seldom go to games)-Maybe if they did plus Sky etc, they wouldn't be so prepared to forgive utter ...e
28 Jan 2013 11:44:44
Out of all the FA Cup shock results over the weekend Oldhams victory over Liverpool was in my eyes the biggest shock. Hold your heads in shame Liverpool players, you should be ashamed of what you done to our famous club.
Br takes the blame from me he is supposed to be clued up and know better than us koppites but he picked a team full of suspect talent coates, robinson, allen, borini, wisdom all in the same team you can carry one or two but not half a team.
28 Jan 2013 11:32:32
If we need a full back until the summer why not just get Zambrotta, he is a free agent!
LFE
28 Jan 2013 11:31:40
Ed..great site...and a very well deserved victory for oldham..
Javier Mascherano. Xabi alonso, Fernndo Torres..
What a gem of a players they where wen with Liverpool
Mascherano..the best holding midfielder of this time...not even an ant could surprass when he stood at Liverpools midfield..
Rafa benitez believed him with 100%...
we actually never relaced him...Lucas is a great player..but we need another one like mascherano...
18 mill on joe allen..neither he baceme a xavi..nor busquets...
If footballers are judged by their medals..
then mascherano and alonso are successfull..
We were awful yesterday..worse than chelsea...
coates, robinson. borini..awful
Dont wanna comment on allen...
That team on paper should beat oldham by 3 goals...
we were poor and beaten handsome.
diame, mvilla, two good holding midfielder, very cheap passed away this transfer window..
we should have never signed allen..never ever.
Actually, mascherano couldn't play pass and move to save his life. Granted he was a great tackler but teams just use to sit off him knowing full well the ball would end up in row z.
SideShowBob
28 Jan 2013 13:40:23
pass and move?..
i said he is the best holding midfielder of all time..
when did makeleele passed and moved...
he was an execptional talent in Liverpool midfield..which allowed alonso to and gerrard to move forward...
a one man army in the heart of our midfield...
go and watch his compilation for Liverpool in Youtube...you will probably can't count the number of times he have won tackles neatly and broke up a play..
maschrano is the current captain of the team which has messi, aguero, and otehr superstars...
dont ever insult a player who left us..
you don't have any clue...brother...
28 Jan 2013 14:58:32
Is that the same Mascherano who regularly topped the leagues stats for successful tackles and completed passes?
Dawkins
28 Jan 2013 11:20:43
How much did we pay for Coates? Any more than £25,000 and we were well robbed!
You paid 7 million for him.
Uruguayan heavyweights Nacional received a fax this morning from the Anfield club meeting their £7m valuation of the defender.
28 Jan 2013 11:20:03
hi eds, there's a lot of comments about BR and his tactics or the team he picked, some fair some not. however he said yesterday the youth let him down, there are 2 points i'd like to raise 1: I only get picked for cup games so what's the point in trying. 2: I have a chance to show the manager i'm good enough to play next game. coates and robinson both played as though they adopted number 1 (my view not everyones) this made the left side very weak as skyrtle was helping out wisdom on the right. also the midfield lacked the strength to cover the above problem as well as supplying balls to the front. only when gerrard and shelvey and downing came on did we look comfortable covering the back line. I don't know how BR can address this as he, s not got the depth of other teams (as he, s already stated) but like one of the eds has said he can't rely on gerrard all the time, others need to adopt number 2 and step up to the plate. (hope this makes sense, it did when I was thinking it) thanks billy
Branden shuld stop blaiming the youngesters and he shuld take a look at himself, we all know we need expirienced players, what he does, he goes and buy more kids! We are so light Wight, we are push overs, teams will bully us.
28 Jan 2013 13:07:22
we are building for future...
i am not sure..wen is this word future be a present..
What futures that, in the championship?
Ozone
The future is now if we do not sort it out we will have no tomorrow br and fsg please note that experience counts in players and managers .
Been building for longer than petrochelli (those who remember
28 Jan 2013 11:18:14
Funny how certain people are now saying that KK shouldn't have been sacked, the same people that were calling for him to be sacked last season(remember how 8th in the league wasn't good enough for you?) Now we're out of the fa cup and your calling for BR's head, have you forgotten we didn't actually win the fa cup last season. If most of you had your way we'd have a new manager ever 6 months! Is that the way want to see things at LFC? To many fickle fans!
Littletommythetank
No body thought we will get Rogers. Manager with no expirience. What is frighten that I think Rogers is rowing lfc by buying players that only him will buy. After spending £40 mill plus our best 11 are still Benitez and keny daglish players. We need expirience players, I will like to we cabaye and Ben arfa if we can get them with a Carroll + cash going ather way. And Ashley William, then I think we may have a chance for top 4. What do you think eds have we have any interest on this players?thanks
I said it from day one. I've never bought into the Rodgers era but I'm trying to stick with it. However it just gets worse, the transfers, team selections, tactics, press conference dialogue. It all smacks of a 'yes' man novice who's leading us further and further into problems. Yesterday was a disgrace.
Ozone
And another thing that gets worse is ozones negative, pessimistic borderline offensive name calling posts!
Littletommythetank
Little tommy tank talks em rhymes with your tag
Name calling?
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 11:06:13
Get off Brendan's back he played a strong team and the team let him down the players that he gave a chance to let him down badly Coates not good enough jack Robinson not up to this level and brad jones had another terrible game and Suarez had a shocker rubbish happens stop all this bleating I even heard a so called fan asking for Hodgson to come back do these so called fans have any idea about football
He picked a bad team
a defense with no leader?
borini as a winger?
yes the players underperformed but the managers team sheet was way wrong to begin with
tom1975
Im sorry but Brendan is way out his depth at our club.
I think skertil is a very good header jack Robinson ain't agreed I would have played carra but we should still be able to beat a team like Oldham with that team there were to many players playing for themselves and not as a team brad jones lost us that game he is awful championship at best too many mistakes
28 Jan 2013 11:02:21
If any good comes out of the Old ham defeat I would like it to be Brendan Rodgers realisation that we don't have the players to play 443 ?
Starting with the Arsenal game I would like us to start playing 442 till the end of the season.
Suarez and Sturridge can form a good partnership in a solid 442 line up.
kidmillions
I would settle for 443 myself.
The Irish Rover
Kidmillions
i disgaree I think 4-3-3 can be played by us
things I hop to come out of the oldham defeat
the necesity for left back cover to be signed and dm cover to be signed
and that brendan learns never toplay a back four of youth without an old head like carra
tom1975 {Ed001's Note - Skrtel is not young!}
Kidmillions
oh and I hope he learns how to correctly utilise players skillsets
ie borini isn t a winger, he s backuptosturridge at number 9
wisdom isn't an attacking fullback
suso isn't a winger
johnson is aright backnot a left back
why does brendan persist in trying to play players out ofposition
tom1975
Totally agree, also our best players will only have two competitions to focus on so touch wood avoid anymore injuries. However i'm not saying I don't value the cup..
RobInRed
443, we probably would have done better without a GK haha!
I'm only joking mate
Scouse_Pride
Think it will be more of a 4-3-1-2 or 4-2-3-1.
Yesterday we played 0-9-1
Skrtel is not young eds but neither is he a natural leader to shepherd three younguns thorugh the game
tom1975
28 Jan 2013 10:56:08
The magic of the FA Cup is no more! The minnows like Liverpool never progress very far anymore.
NINETEEN {Ed023's Note - What round did we beat ye in last year on route to the final? Take a walk!!}
Lol bit naughty, but good banter though mate, you must admit
Good banter - well done
Good old Ed being a true Liverpool and fan and living in the past. isn't it true that your only as good as your last game.
NINETEEN {Ed019's Note - Hmm, typical Manc. Does YTWO, Bazza, The Truth Teller remind you of anyone? Stop worrying about Liverpool and support your own team]
Oh and worry about Liverpool, not really I'll leave mid table worries to you lot.
NINETEEN
28 Jan 2013 18:40:21
Look on the bright side Ed019, we've found a manc who can count past 2!
Jolly Red
28 Jan 2013 10:53:51
If we had won that game and kept a clean sheet, people would be saying what a master stroke it was for BR to have played youngsters. Sadly it didn't work out that way for whatever reasons, but in my eyes, with the team he put out there, we should have AT LEAST got a draw out of it.
Let's just react and get a result from the Arsenal and Man City games and this poor result will have been forgotten.
Keith
The thing is you say forget the poor result yesterday and move on. How many times have we said that this season after bad defeats (Stoke, Villa, etc.)? Brendan Rodgers is way out of his depth at our club and he has bought some very, very poor players.
But the thing is, we're in transition, after having got rid of a lot of first teamers and that is going to hurt. What I would give if we still had Kuyt, Bellamy, even Maxi now, I can assure you the result would have been different. Oldham played their strongest team, we didn't and that was always going to show especially as was seen, we weren't up for it. That's been our problem (being up for it) for a while now and if we could cure that, we'd improve dramatically overnight! The game yesterday reminded me of Rafa's against (I think) Northampton and look what happened there. Allen started the season well and I didn't cringe that Robinson was LB yesterday. Biggest mistake was not having Carragher in the starting line up and then being too slow to notice Sterling (amongst others) just weren't making any impact at all.
Keith
Been in transition most of last 20 years Keith, wake up lad
28 Jan 2013 10:42:39
Yeah we are disappointed..
But lets keep our heads, The manner in which we went out is poor and BR did get the tactics wrong but all these ridiculous posts about firing him and selling half the team are beyond stupid.
Silver lining is that with our thin squad a lengthy cup run would tire out players an create fixture congestion we don't need. If Suarez had been injured in the next round for example, we all have been wishing Oldham had beat us. Can concentrate on Europe which I believe is a real aim for us.
But that's beside the point. What has been shown in Skrtel is not a consistent first-team center back. His whole game seems to be based on aggression with no composure or ability on the ball. The lad also seems to lack passion which I believe people don't see due to his aggression, his head always seems to drop when we concede. The young lads were poor but they are blending in slowly, personally I think Robinson is too lightweight for left-back but time will tell.
Well done to Oldham, they suckered us into playing a League One game and beat us through it and some of those blocks really showed real grit and determination. I was saddened to see Oldham CB Byrne throwing himself into Gerrards shot and less than 4mins later seeing both Skrtel and Coates turning their backs on a powerful shot from Smith.
But not BR fault, you can't blame a manager for GK error or defenders not looking bothered. Coutinho looks a good Premier league buy and Ince seems like he could be class.
Looking forward to the next game and dear 'fans' ... get behind the team.. one bad performance does not a season make!
Red-David-26
28 Jan 2013 10:56:35
For me on reflection one of the main points that stood out is that Martin Kelly is streets ahead of our other covering full backs. Missed him yesterday.
RobInRed
28 Jan 2013 10:33:36
I am not sure why it has taken this long for Coates to be found out.
This was another short sighted signing in the Comoli era.
He was never going to have the foot speed for the EPL with his size.
He has proven to be a neat technical player, but clearly does not have the physical presence to be a commanding centre half.
Red Down Under
Don't know if I would even go so far as to say he's technical.... He has always struck me personally as clumsy, not looking fully in control.
28 Jan 2013 10:31:56
100% agree with Macca when he says we are soft centred. A seasoned leader with experience and a voice is required. Like carry 4 years ago. We need to have more of a physical presence with the physical teams. Williams of Swansea may be of interest or someone like him.
28 Jan 2013 10:31:54
Lots of people angry about having a go at BR and not backing the team.
I've not seen a LFC player (Allen) take so much criticism before from fans. We usually get behind our players even though we know they are rubbish (remember Cheyrou ?)
I believe Allen is being slated for two reasons:
1. He is nowhere near good enough to play for LFC
2. He epitomises BRs playing philosophy - not direct enough, cumbersome in possession, not really sure about any tactics.
When we see Allen play and show his lack of control in front of the back four, his inability to win the ball, his inability to play incisive passes, how can we have any form of faith in our manager. His other big summer signing was Borini. Does he honestly look like he'll ever be a quality forward player. There's a reason why Roma and Chelsea let him go.
LFCs best players have all been players who have been at the club prior to BR, and they have shown their individual ability rather than playing in this 'system'.
I read an earlier post that some of the journo's refer to BR as David Brent. Well, that says it all. Even when Roy was manager, nobody slated him badly because he had respect for his achievements in football. What has BR achieved, and now he's been given the biggest job in English football ?
Lots of people have stated who else will manage our club. Well, if we can pay 15M for Allen, 11 M for Borini and 6M for Assaidi, we can certainly afford to pay to lure a top quality manager with a proven track record. Personally, I think that KK should have had another season. My main concern is that our owners are not showing good judgement (sacking KK, appointing BR)
G {Ed001's Note - so you are basing an opinion on what some imbecilic journos, journos who respected Hodgson as a great footballing mind no less, think of Brendan Rodgers? Says it all.}
Cheers G. I had just about got Cheyrou (the new Zindane) out of my mind. Now I will spend this grey miserable day with that added thought, so thanks for that mate!
Yes agree Eds, another fruit cake of a fan!
Since when has a letter in the alphabet known anything about football :(:(
kidmillions
Thanks ed001. Basing my opinion on what I've seen and also literally the hundreds of posts about Allen recently and less so on BR. My point about the journo's was that none of our previous managers have been tagged like this by members of the press. It has to be a concern that the person running our club is getting so many negative views on this site, is being slated by certain members of the press, and whose key signings look utterly useless.
The facts are the results we've had, I don't think anyone is happy with these.
G
28 Jan 2013 10:29:39
Not a rumour more of an observation... Anybody still in two minds about coates please watch the highlights of his performances against Mansfield and Oldham. If anyone is still positive he still has what it takes to be at Liverpool maybe you could put a word in for my wife... She's available as she is only working part time at the moment.
28 Jan 2013 10:26:19
I know the result last night has prompted calls for BRs head which I think is sad really, that's not the answer.
Believe me, I am as gutted as any LFC supporter, but in some ways results like that can be a blessing as it will show BR what we are missing and which players are willing to stand up and be counted when the going gets tough and fight for LFC with all their hearts.
Personally I think we need a strong center back and a tough strong tackling center midfield (Souness, Mascherano).
SA
Yes that's what we need but Rodgers won't get them. Hence it probably isn't unreasonable for some fans to be calling for his head because he's just leading us into more problems and constantly wasting the transfer kitty on fluffy lightweight midgets.
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 10:25:55
Mental twitter rumour about LFC going for Shaun Wright-Phillips! He turned us down before to goto Chelsea, so not sure why at 29 he would be on our radar? {Ed019's Note - BS. Twitter rumour says it all}
28 Jan 2013 10:18:37
Just a quick note to all the 'Rodgers Out' club out there.
When we play well we play he best football we've played for years, and the main squad is becoming insistent with that. It is when we rotate that we struggle.
Rodgers named a team that was more than strong enough to beat Oldham, but the players brought in we're terrible. Coates, Stirling, Robinson, Borini. Stirling needs a rest to recouperate from a busy boost start in his career. The others need regular games. Robinson, for example is a good player, but was messed around by an experienced Croft and Warbaya (spelling) who plays week in week out.
Rodgers is building a very strong young team that will compete for years once its ready. We will choke possession and make teams chase the ball until they're dead on their feet.
When Rodgers took over he never sugar coated the job he needs to do, he told us it would take time. We do not have a sugar daddy fantasy football billionaire, and nor would I take one, were spending but by no means are going to buy any success.
I feel the interest in Williams is due to the need for an experienced ball playing centre half, and Williams will be one of the most value worthy of those around come summer. I saw someone say he'd be £15-20m, fool, he'd be no more than £8-10m at most. There are other ball playing centre halfs, but expensive.
One final note-
1. Everton's best season for many years, linking Moyes with some top jobs, such as United. 38 points
2. Liverpool's worst season for many years, after a change in ownership, manager, and playing staff. 34 points
We're still pushing for top four despite a terrible season, get behind the team, we have nothing to complain about.
Anfield Andy
Thanks for confirming that Everton with no money are better than you lot, keep on buying british.
28 Jan 2013 09:59:33
Ive heard it all before, Rome was`nt built in a day etc, the fact is we`ve had 20 odd years to build and as I've said before, we are consistently inconsistent.
Yesterday was a management blunder regardless of squad depth, Robinson, Coates Sterling Borini Allen and downing when he came on were poor I think.
Im sure we have better than this available, I seem to see Lucas sitting on the bench and he was just what was needed in Midfield as we were overun, a quality addition here perhaps?
Theres also a lot to be said for a big centre forward, I think Oldham proved that, I know our defence was, and is poor in my opinion, no grit or steel i'm afraid, i'm sure they wear lead boots because none of them can jump to head a ball.
We are short at the back, we need a commanding centre half or two, we need some bite and guts in midfield, and an out and out winger whos up to the job, the younguns may come good in time but its now we need experience and class.
I know everyone is going to say support this and that and don't question this or that, but I've been watching football for 55 years, I've played it at amateur level for 8 years, so i'm entitled to my opinion.
We are re-building again after umpteen managers and owners in the past 20 years, each and everyone before, ruining this great club along with the muppets that hired them and helped in the downfall of this once great institution.
I, like you all hope it will come good again in the very near future, but like I said before and previous posts, we need a manager and owners with bottle, but most of all we need the players to do the business on the field, too many go hiding in games for my liking.
for me its the manager who picks the team and gets them motivated, I didn't see anything good about yesterday until SG came on, if we had 11 on the pitch like him and Carra in his heyday then we would of been Champions a long time ago.
Unfortunately we have players in and out, big money spent and nowt to show for it at this point, Suarez maybe the exception, but the rest need to start looking in the mirror and questioning their ability and desire to wear that famour red jersey.
We want / demand winners as fans, we don't wanna be talking like this season after season for the next 20 years, yes money is limited and we can't buy everyone, but as much as I dislike Fergie, he pulled off a blinder with RVP, 1 inspired signing to add to a very average squad and he's done it again.
lets all live in hope the Owners the manager and current/future players give 110% and stop acting and playing like prima donnas because you aint, your servants of this great club so embrace it and start showing your worth and value, and most of all show us fans your not just in it fot the money.
Rant over, Scouse Red.
Best post here
28 Jan 2013 09:59:20
Congratulations, Michael Ngoo, on your Hearts debut. A good performance with a goal and a penalty in the shootout.
JanMolbyFan
28 Jan 2013 09:54:58
Does anyone on here believe in superstition. I personally don't but was wearing my 2010 away shirt yesterday and after we lost I got to thinking we never get a good result when I wear it even though I think its one of our best looking tops of recent times, I think I MIGHT HAVE to relegate it to the bottom drawer. Does everybody think I'm paranoid?????
Fred {Ed001's Note - I would never wear it during a game again, if it was me. Mind I am very superstitious.}
I have been going thought the same m8 haha if I see the game love we never get a good result it I record it we play well what can I do
28 Jan 2013 09:51:50
Hi Eds,
Not a rumour more a comment.
I think it was plain for everyone to see yesterday that LFC are struggling with the dept in our squad. The cover players we have Flanno Coates Wisdom Borini etc etc are ok to cover one or two positions when needed due to injuries but when they are all on the pitch together we are not good enough. It will take us a couple of years to build up a squad to challange in all the cups and league. I would like to think LFC fans will give BR the time he needs to achieve this and not get too dissapointed about yesterdays result. We still have Europe and PL to focus on now and being out of the FA and League cup could help us in our chase on 4th spot in the league. Ince & Coutinho will help us in this challange but we still have someway to go. 4th place is still possible and 4 points from the next 2 games would be a big step in the right direction(3 from the gunners and 1 from city).Its only Jan and we have a lot of time left till the end of the season. A good run over 8 to 10 games could turn our season around and I believe that is very possible. We need to take our focus off the 2 Manchester clubs and Chelsea and look at that 4th spot only. We do not have the money to compete with them clubs yet but we can close that gap with the stadium development and 4th place finish. One step at a time and we can get back to were we belong. At the very top of the English and European game. Keep the faith and you will enjoy the rewards.
Please post eds as I'd like to here both your and LFC supporters thoughts. {Ed001's Note - even when Man Utd were running away with the Prem every year, their reserves would struggle badly in the cup. It is always a big risk to put out a side like that, but you can't play the same 11 every week any more, the players play at a much higher tempo than in the past. Plus they don't have the endurance training they used to have, it is more about building up speed and power, so they need a rest or they pick up injuries.}
28 Jan 2013 09:51:16
Sebastian Coates (pronounced Cart-horse) reminds me of Igor Biscan......he looks like he was turfed out of bed ten minutes before kick-off !
I blame his agent for getting his boots supplied by Marine-World deep-sea diving equipment Ltd.
However, while he's flopped at Liverpool, he would be a very useful addition to a slower-paced League....Andorra perhaps?
Seriously, he's a very good prospect but some players just can't hack the demands of the English Prem.
ANFIELDPETE
28 Jan 2013 09:45:41
Nobody wants to go out of a cup but we deserved to lose no team has the divine right to beat anyone just because we are a "bigger" club they wanted it more than us that's it we didn't turn up! Before the game I'm sure 99% of us would agree the team that was put out was more than capable of winning that game, Rodgers thought this too, the players are to blame know body else in in my opinion.
Square tomato
Before game back 4 was a worry, needed Carragher to boss around. Rest of team capable of winning though
28 Jan 2013 09:37:58
very dissapointed with the performance yesterday, don't want to be a doom merchant but if results don't go our way this week, by the weekend we could in theory be 28 points behind the mancs and 13 points off top 4 and even 10 behind that lot over the park.Hope to god that does'nt happen
jaycee
Dont worry about the gap to the top, concentrate on your mid-table struggles. You must be getting used to it by now.
YTWO
28 Jan 2013 09:30:25
If we learnt anything from yeterday it was that outside of our first eleven the squad is not good enough. the players that started yesterday showed a lack of ability and more worringly stomach for the fight. I feal BR's disappointment. you give young squad players the chance to shine on TV against a struggling Div1 team and they put in a performance like that! Its going to be a long and painful process but we will get there in the end. Get a few pound on for Wed night I fancy a reult at the emirates
28 Jan 2013 09:27:00
Hi Eds,
I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion but we are on this site as we are SUPPORTERS of our great club. Yes we all want to win every game and every cup we are in for. But we have to realise that we are in a transational period at the club. Yesterday was poor we know this but Rodgers has to find out at some stage how good certin players are. I'm sure questions were answered yesterday with regards some players again this will add to the bigger picture. Overall I know its hard to swallow when results don't go our way but Rodgers is the man for us, his ideas views and polices are exactly what we need....remember Rome wasnt built in a day! Supporters unite get behind the club, team, manager as the last thing we want to become is the club to be split and loose what LFC is all about. YNWA
Great post mate.. We're all depressed about yesterday, no need for all the haters to add to our misery
JJ
Spot on mate, great post.
Bristol Red
A twenty year transition is some process, please enlighten us as to when you might come out of transition, so we can stop hearing you lot bleating about 'next year'.
YTWO
Rodgers set the team up wrong, he didn't respect the opposition.
If we played Oldham again tomorrow and just played a 442 formation? We'd win, regardless of what players played.
So in my opinion Rodgers is to blame..
kidmillions
28 Jan 2013 09:24:33
i don't feel so bad about yesterday
spurs bummed out too
we need to focus on the league anyway
3 points at arsenal would sort it
tough game though, arsenal has a great win against west hamand outplayed us earlier this season
ihope the midfield is lucas gerrard hendo
i hope enrique isfit
we have some big problems
1
we lose a lot when johnson goes to left back and wisdomat right back.wisdoms attacking abilities arent there yetand it destroys the balance with johnson at left back, considering the left back is supposed to provide width for the inside forward cutting in.
we really miss this balance when enrique is out
im surprised we haven't been inthe market for a deputy left back this window. surely there are decent young left backs out there who could come in as jose s understudy.. I know one game does not makeaplayer uselessbut robbo hasn't done himself any favours in the managers eyes yesterdayand he won't get another chance for a longtime
2
we need a pacy strong aerially dominant cb, skrteland agger just get bulliedby big opponents
eg benteke, smith, stoke, fellaini
this is an area we need to address
3
lackof physicality in the middle of the park against some opposition....allen isa decent playeragainst the right opposition, usually lesser opposition at home where we are likelyto have the lion s share of possesion imo and not away against bruisers
sissoko went for half nothing, diame is available for half nothing...wanyama a more expensive solution
where can we find a souness or a keane, a midfielder with real leadership abilities because without stevie and lucas we were missing that midfield drive...i think hendo may have it in timebut not yet
4
an aerially dominant keeper
the epl has a high proportionof crosses intothe box.neither of our keepers really excel at dominating the six yard box
for methe keeping positio isthe most vital in the team. a safe pair of hands, dependabilty reliabilty are vital characteristics of a top classkeeper to add to the distribution skills and top class save makingskills(where pepe excels)
we need a schmeichel like keeper.someone who will own his penalty box and be vocal in his organising of the defense
if we address these four key problems we have a champions league squad
tom1975
How can you pick Henderson in midfield - he is no good!
Henderson is a miles better option than allen at the moment
gerrard lucas hendo is our best midfield
tom1975
28 Jan 2013 09:17:26
One Big plus from yesterday!
No more Adrian Chiles for 6 months or so
Every Cloud
Lyndon
Townsend for me what a complete t**t didn't see anything unless it was oldham, deserved the win so good luck just wish it wasn't Dickov managing!.
leeb7red
28 Jan 2013 09:06:04
Morning eds after a bad result yesterday do you reckon we might look for some solid players because we look very light in midfield it goes to show wat a legend Steve G is not jus Yesterday but Year in Year out I wish we could clone him but my big worry is robbo didn't seem up for it I think he needs a loan to help him I think the players jus thought they had to turn up but please god its onwards and upwards from here could be a blessing {Ed019's Note - I hope we do, but I can't see it happening this window. Maybe in the summer}
This is like the mid 90's all over again, Roy Evans' team !
When Paul Ince was supposed to be the missing link. We ended up with him, big time Charlie, Julian Dicks, and Razor Ruddock.
I don't mind if we get an enforcer-type. but make sure he can kick a f'in ball Brendan lad please !
The Juicer
28 Jan 2013 08:56:39
Start your strongest team, win game then make changes-ok apologists?
That's my mentality as well. Although to be fair it was a strong selection compared to what Paul Dickov had to pick from.
I remember we got knocked out by Northampton one year and got to the final the next. Swings and round abouts.
28 Jan 2013 08:54:40
I'm behind Rodgers but want to make a point about his team selection yesterday. He said we needed to be more agressive yet selected the likes of Coates, Sterling and Borini and that's not their strength.
I know we shouldn't play to suit the opposition (especially lower league) but we still have to compete physically, whoever we play.
Rigsby.
I think he's thought was league 1 team wouldn't put up much of a fight so throw on some pacy forwards and score a bunch of goals and really run riot. Obviously this didn't work because we weren't breaking up play and winning balls in the middle of the park and pushing it on. So we need another CDM I think with experienced and commanding to break up play.
I agree. I remember Arsenal bullied us in midfield earlier in the season (I know we'd had a Europa game a few days before and selected pretty much the same team) but how often has that happened in recent years?
Arsenal would often play and we'd have to fight to match them, but they beat us in both departments.
It's good that we're trying to play but we also need to do the dirty work. I don't think it will happen Wednesday; the defence will be stronger, Lucas and Gerrard will stiffen up the midfield and I don't think Borini will start.
I don't mind losing as much, if we do compete.
Rigsby.
League 1 team, still better than LFC. {Ed019's Note - Yes because one match means a team is 'better' than another. You could say Real Sociedad are better than Barca on that logic}
I don't know if Rodgers even knew how physical they'd be, surely anyone who knows Dickov knows he's a Pullis/Big Sam style of manager.
Long ball, kick and elbow and unsettle their opponents, it worked, we couldn't get the equaliser and they got their giant killer win. Which ended in a pitch invasion.
Sterling needs a bleeding loan. He seems to have lost his good form since his contract signing.
Nail and head
28 Jan 2013 08:50:56
Br gave the youngsters a chance and they blew it, he has just shown the owners that we need to be buying a few experienced players.They simply aren't up to it Robinson Coates sterling Allen made it hard for us to play as the rest of the team where spending there time covering for them .Looks like we are close to continuo and maybe ince yet again two young players with potential, no doubt they're decent players but we need a few with a bit more experience we need that van persie type of signing.maybe in the summer.
What he has shown the owners, is that he is the wrong man for the job.
Allen was moving the ball quicker than anyone else in red Yesterday.
This is what annoys me with the garbage. Allen did alright, he worked hard, switched play and even got a goal. Credit where it's due.
Not many, if any of the red players were great yesterday
28 Jan 2013 08:45:54
Wasnt it awful on tv yesterday seeing Robinson swear at Suarez. The club should fine these players heavily for being so disgusting. {Ed019's Note - It was out of order}
Seeing as suarez was the captain makes you wonder if he would have spoken like that had stevie started and criticised him for not squaring the ball. Needs to change his attitude or go
jaycee
Robinson was shocking yesterday didn't look like he wanted to play the whole game which I can't understand from someone that's came though the academy actually getting a chance
Redman
Suarez is setting an excellent example now and for robinson to swear at him when he wasted a chance is absolutely appalling, robinson big let down
Wasnt it awful robinson was seen on the pitch full stop.Tommy Irish Red
Especially as it was Robinson who made a complete balls of it! Sholud have squared it acrosss the box. He'll learn from it hopefully
Macko
28 Jan 2013 08:45:03
hi eds. Not really a rumour more a statement. Far be it from me to comment on transfers. But from what I have seen this season it isn't our attack we have had real problems with. More our defence and midfield. We did have problems with our attacks but that has been sorted. Our defence seems to crumble at a lot of attacks hence the fact we have conceded 28 in BPL so far. I have heard of rumours of williams in if Coates leaves. Only problem I could see is that there isn't much space for another CB since we seem to rarely use coates. So what would that prompt williams for if he was to sign? Now on to another little thing. I am happy to hear we are potentially getting Ince however do we really need him? We are starting to overflow in the position. With Sterling, Suso, Downing, Suarez, Sturridge and Borini. Just seems to me that we do not lack attacking options why bring more in?
Cheers Charlie. YNWA {Ed019's Note - Because we need more options and a thicker squad with competition for places - don't you remember when we had to play Shelvey up front? Also I think we need an imposing figure in midfield/defence, someone like Toure for City}
28 Jan 2013 08:44:36
Joe Allen - what does he have to do to be dropped?
He is one of the worst players I have EVER saw in a Liverpool shirt. {Ed019's Note - http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1957/facepalm.jpg
He wasn't that bad.
Anyway, do you not remember Konchesky?
Jimmy carter
28 Jan 2013 11:20:10
koncheskey cost 2 mil....mind you..poulsen..4 mill..
same pedigree...allen cost 18 mill...
get a grip and support allen..I wont..coz, ..he doesn't deserve to be a Liverpool player...
28 Jan 2013 12:32:18
weather he deserves to or not he IS a Liverpool player. so support him
i swear people want players to fail at this club. its dircraceful
wolvo_Jake
28 Jan 2013 08:12:00
Would just like to give Brendan Rodgers a big round of applause. What a cowerdly and dispicable act it is to publicly blame the kids and question their attitude. He may well be right, but to dress them down so publicly will hardly do their confidence the wonders it obviously needs atm. Shifting the blame from himself onto the young shoulders of players like Robinson Wisdom and Sterling is the ultimate act of a coward. If he feels they are to blame then either they are not ready or are not good enough. And it doesn't matter which it is as he is the manager and it's his job to know if they are ready or good enough, so him selecting them is HIS fault not theirs.
I think this cowardly act from Rodgers maybe highlights that he himself feels uncertain about his future at the club, and the feels the need to move blame away from himself.
Sir Alex may be a lot of things but he never blames youngsters publicly for their mistakes, he backs them and he builds their confidence up until they fullfill their potential.
Shappy {Ed019's Note - How is this cowardly? It will make them want to prove him wrong and take their next chance. If he gives them the chances they ask for, and they don't deliver, what do you want to praise them or something? No}
Fergie just throws boots at his young players when he is disappointed in them. Now THAT'S cowardly!
cozinoz
Agreed Ed you can't shelter the youth. If you give them a chance to prove themselves and they mess up you must call them out on it or else they will get complacent .
Remember what happened to Sterling in the trip to US during training. Did you look at his response?
You cannot always hide being being kids, someday you have to grow up and take the lead. BR has issued them this order in firm words. Stand up and make yourself count.
They are talented and good but need to be leaders themselves.
mgz
Quite possibly the biggest load of delusional tosh I have read on these pages. {Ed019's Note - You should see what else us Ed's have to read}
What a stupid thing to say, he gave these kids a chance(partly because he has no choice with the squad he's got) and they didn't perform. What do you expect him to say? If he'd said 'it's a disappointing result but the youngsters played well' you'd be saying that was a load of bs. Sounds like you'll just put Rodgers down whatever he says! What you've just said is more cowardly than what Rodgers said!
Littletommythetank
Its cowerdly because he is blaming the kids for his mistake rather than taking responsibility for his actions. If they aren't ready then he made the mistake of throwing them into the deep end. I'm not saying he isn't right to blame the kids as they didn't cover themselves in glory, but to publicly blame them is something completely different. If they aren't good enough or properly motivated then that's the managers fault. He is shifting blame from himself to the young players to save his neck, tell me how that isn't cowerdly?
Shappy
Well it seems to work cozinoz.
Ozone
28 Jan 2013 08:41:59
Just a little thank you to Liverpool for taking a share of this mornings headlines from Spurs, god bless you! {Ed019's Note - You're welcome :/}
28 Jan 2013 08:38:10
The match vs Arsenal will really make or break our season. A win at Arsenal would give us a big lift to push onto top 4. However a loss on the other hand, would probably kill off any slight hope we still have. If we draw, so be it. But I don't see us getting 3 points, so hopefully we go all out for the win on Wednesday.
The only real positive from yesterday is that the players more than ever will have a strong point to prove. We're constantly dismissed as an average team, incapable of a result against a top side. This week the players, manager and everyone associated with the club, can really show everyone what were capable of.
Papa G
Don't worry about top 4, if we can't beat a team like Old Ham we don't deserve to be Top 4,
imagine what an embarresment this team would be in champions league, rather be content for now just getting appearances in europa and the EPL, champions league is a league that we don't belong in at the momment with some of the players we have,
get rid of the garbage first (coates, allen, Robbinson etc) then we can talk about TOP 4, {Ed019's Note - I do remember a top four team losing to Bradford though, and the champions of europe drawing with Brentford. This is the FA Cup mate, these things happen}
I've got more confidence with the city game, just feel like we play better against them, arsenal always seems to be tough for us i'de be over the moon with four points.
Square tomato
3-1 to arsenal. I am putting money on it.
Shahram
28 Jan 2013 08:35:08
Apologists, and these things happen Merchants-1959 last time a team that low did that to us.Players on great cash as is manager.Wrong side selected, soft touch so obvious in other games.Yet Manager blames the Youth.Manager (who has made progress) refuses to accept we need players to cope with more physical side!
28 Jan 2013 08:25:12
Brendan Rodgers shows no emotion or enthusiasm on the touch line. Even when we scored yesterday he showed no emotion. Agree?
The reason he showed no emotion was because the team he picked was showing what a bad error of judgement he made.
hope he learns that you can't send boys to do a man's job
28 Jan 2013 08:23:35
Ive noticed recently that if we go behind in a match the supporters do not get behind the team. We only sing when we score or are winning. What happened to the great Liverpool support getting behind the team for ninety minutes?
What can supporters do when the players don't even bother to turn up? And all this upsets are happening way to often. Supporters are there for the team home and away and paying lots of money to follow the team, at least this overpaid players can give 100% on the pich.
Some managers inspire, some don't. Under Roy, it was exactly the same. Then KK came along and suddenly everyone believed again. Win, lose or draw, everyone was 100% behind the team. BR does not inspire in any way, why he gets so much stick when the team loses.
G
27 Jan 2013 18:24:17
Just shows we cannot do without Stevie G.
One for Ed0019 who has been extolling the virtues of Jones over Reina I think today is your answer. As Gareth Southgate says there is always a mistake in him. Given the problems Coates and Skyrtel were having he gives them no help or confidence by coming for crosses and his distribution is poor.
He looked hesitant and nervous which for a keeper of his experience is disappointing. I know Reina has had his problems but he is in a different league to Jones in terms of goalkeeping.
It was a poor performance and we did not learn our lesson from Mansfield or Utd first half in terms of our midfield selection.
When is Downing going to commit a defender, he had 4 or 5 opportunities to run at the full back who did not have cover. Every time he delayed and cover came across and too many bodies then to do something.
Also Robinson had a poor game but I still think he has the ability to be a success but needs to learn quickly.
Oh and Sterling needs to track back as he exposes his full back to often by staying upfield. I think the responsibility of playing in a midfield 3 is too much for him and should form part of our top 3 if selected.
Allen is in danger of having his confidence shot to pieces.
Apart from that what an enjoyable afternoon !!
Well done to Oldham though.
Leamington Red {Ed019's Note - I don't remember saying Jones was better than Reina?!? Reina is top quality. I may have said Jones is better than Turnbull, but not Reina, who is in a different class. Robinson just needs games and experience, he will be a top left back in the future, and I think this loss could fire us up for upcoming games against Arsenal & City.}
One of the Eds has been very positive on Jones and very negative on Reina.
Jones has improved but not to the standard of consistency needed for top flight. Reina has been called 'not even the best goalie at he club ' by one of the Eds.
Reina's stats are actually better this season than Stokes goalkeeper who some want as replacement, and who is behind a very strong defence.
Jones does look better behind a more vocal and organised defenders ie Agger and Carra.
Coates, sorry to looks too slow for the EPL and is a liability which we cannot afford at the moment.
But bottom line is the team put out yesterday was to physically weak and inexperienced to play against a very physical side.
This was not the game to give so many that experience
28 Jan 2013 08:14:46
Unlike a lot of people on this site I still believe Rodgers is the man for Liverpool. One defeat does not take away from his leaps and bounds so far this season. We took a very young squad to Oldham and it didn't pay off I still think Rodgers needs more help in terms of backroom staff and I think Carragher would be useful as a coach if he chooses to retire. The young players obviously will have off days and yesterday was an example of that. Keep the faith and trust that the owners have our interests at heart they haven't given us a reason to suggest they don't.
AndyKopLiverpool
League position and form ? some results become the icing on the cake
28 Jan 2013 06:59:18
To those that bashed me about Coates there is your answer, woeful off the pace unaware of positional play displayed yesterday.
persons
28 Jan 2013 06:32:19
Hey guys, I live in Australia and have a question,
How many of you have guys actually watched Rojas play? And I mean for a whole game and not 2 minute weekly highlights haha.
He is already 21 and I'm curious on what people think.
P.s no bias melbourne supporters haha ;)
Coastal Red
What are you on about 2 min highlights for. You couldn't get 2 min highlights in the a hole a-league season.
KUMBER
I watched him v Sydney and he looked impressive - could be a decent player. Problem is the league is not good enough to tell how talented he is. I seriously doubt he is anywhere near PL standard just yet. One of the Championship teams could do well to give him a trial.
cozinoz
28 Jan 2013 05:48:22
i don't want to be very critical but I think BR was very naive in his team selection.he probably thought that we should start with front four attacking players so that we can put game to bed early on and maybe players like borini or sterling can get some goals and confidence. this where I think he was wrong I think we took game against oldham too lightly. in a small pitch we were playing too narrow (thanks to sterling when downing came on it became little better).
than to accommodate four attackers we had only 2 midfielders and sadly one of them was joe allen who really look short on confidence.we should have started with a 4-3-3 formation .
only positive in the game for me was hendreson he played really well and it was good to see shelvey get some time out there too he looking good in his cameo.
28 Jan 2013 02:09:43
So BR criticised his team for lacking passion and a tough mentality.
Surely as manager he would know his team, his players, their character.
So he doesn't know his players yet.... Hell! I find that very, very poor, disturbing, what kind of manager is he, clearly he doesn't have a damn clue, spends all his time playing "tiki taka" mind football.
The man is a joke, not worthy of his appointment.
Red Clue.
Did you accidentally put Red in your sign off name, instead of No?
28 Jan 2013 07:38:34
Early on in his tenure, BR voiced surprise at how few of the LFC youngsters had spent time out on loan, and I think the implications of this were on show in the Oldham game (although Robbo has spent time out on loan was not at his best either). Players like Coates and Wisdom simply appeared to have no experience of such tactics (whereas Shelvey who has spent much time out on loan and in the lower levels seemed utterly unphased).
Having said that, we don't really seemed to have changed our approach much either - perhaps a few more players will get sent out now.
28 Jan 2013 07:22:38
Be honest, who else looked at the starting eleven yesterday and thought we could struggle here? I watched it in the pub with a load of lads who support different teams and everyone was a bit surprissed and the team he sent out.
Disapointed BR has blamed the kids for the result and not taken any himself for this one.
Suarez and Stevie have both raised concerns about not bringing in enough experience and relying to much on kids, and then you look at the buisness we look like doing this window? Looks like 3 youngsters again?
The reality of the situation is in 2 weeks time we could be looking at no type of European football at all next season. A trophy and a final and a Europa cup place was not enough for a lot of fans, and they were happy for a legend to go. With utd closing on the magical 20 titles and everton above us it will be interesting to see how patient the fans will be?
Let's hope for a great run from now on.
Spot on.
Progress in the FA cup, and maybe winning it, would have least given us European competition next year.
Who do you think we will attract (next transfer window) without being able to offer any European football at all.
But BR chose to throw it all away because of his poor team selection and tactics, what kind of strategy is this.
He is just totally wrong for LFC.
28 Jan 2013 01:15:56
id get diame in now even ifjust to play against the bruising sides
tom1975
BR sign Diame, it's no brainer.. Look how he played against us
28 Jan 2013 01:10:41
left backcover and a roykeane/viera/toure type driving force midfielder needed..henderson needs to kickon and grab more responsibilty in there.he seemsa little frightened to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and looks to me like a good lad doing exactly what he is toldby the manager... stevie g however has a mind of his own
allen should never sstart against stoke like opposition or when the midfield is going to be a warzone
found wanting against physical players eg benteke inthe villa game, stoke, now oldham
tom1975
Tom1975.
Sorry fella but I have to disagree with that. We should be imposing our style of football against these teams and 2 of the few players who were trying to play 1 and 2 touch football were allen and henderson.
Yes we knew what Oldham were going to do before kick off. They were going to be physical and in our faces etc etc.
And you can say that we could not cope with it and we were found wanting with the physical side etc etc But I just think we did not play any football.
I lost count of the number of times we just "lumped it" forward. I can't criticise midfielders when the centre halves and full backs are ignoring simple balls inside to allen and henderson and instead decide to become our playmakers! I still have high hopes for Robinson but yesterday his distribution was awful and not like him. Wisdom was bombing on like a winger getting in Sterlings way (who is our winger!) and neglecting his defensive responsibilities.
Jones was awful and hopefully all this "he can step into Pepe's shoes" nonsense can stop. He is a number 2 keeper end of.
I remember when Rodgers was at Swansea and he tore into his team after a game because in the last 20 mins all they did was lump it forward when they were coming under pressure rather than sticking to their principles and playing football. For me Liverpool could be accused of the same thing yesterday.
My only criticism of Rodgers is that he did not play carra. That game was tailor made for him.
In summary fair play to Oldham they deserved it. Awful from Liverpool some might say arrogant but I am not buying this we got bullied about nonsense... We just did not play our football. Too many individuals not playing unselfish football.
Just my opinion
jonnybarnes89-90
Yet we onyl started playing when gerrard came on, suggesting that our midfield was actually the problem prior to that
sorryjohnny but allendoesnt have it in physical games.everton chelsea away oldham .he seems to bottle it and desnt do enough to warrant selection
tom1975
28 Jan 2013 00:58:29
i hope that brendan sees the need for a back up left back
suely we can pick someone up fairly cheaply like united did with buttner
tom1975
p.s. thought sterling played like a little rubbish today
28 Jan 2013 00:49:53
I see a lot of people saying some players wasn't up for it today, Maybe we shoulf of looked to a couple different players who would of wanted it and played for the shirt.
Flano
Robbo
Coady
Morgan
carra
Gerrard
suarez
hendo
downing
lucas
agger
Are all workers and would of been a solid outfield 10 ?
Should be a very sting out field 10....seeing as you've named 11...?
Littletommythetank
28 Jan 2013 00:45:07
God it seems impossible to be a 'good' Liverpool fan.
If you support the team when they lose and look for good points (instead of knee-jerking), you're called an "apologist", a "blind fan" or a "sheep". Apparently you can't think for yourself and are blindly supporting the team. It's not that you see the long-term project and that a lose isn't a derailment, only a hitch along the way.
If you are more laid-back when we are winning and don't become arrogant, '"we're going to win the league ballsy", you are called pessimistic. Constructive criticism goes out the window.
Realistically, 6th is a very good position for us to finish this year. I have said this from day 1 - it is an improvement. We're still in a cup, we are assembling a young talented squad and we have a young manager. How many teams in the top 5/6 currently got up there over night? Fergie took five years to win the league, Moyes has been at Everton for ten years and this is the best team he has had and City became rich in 2008 and only won the league last year.
Please don't label me a 'person' or any other thing you miserably fickle fans who have flocked onto this website in the last 6 hours.
"When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark"
Optimistic (Formerly Jolly) Red
Some of the players need to read the words and any manager should pick his best team always and think about the next match later br you now know that coates, robinson, sterling, allen, downing are not going to make your life easy . ynwa red mick tag
Bravo sir! Brilliantly said!
MoMo
Well said pal, best post I've read on here for ages
Ack17
Top Jolly:) Post.
kidmillions
28 Jan 2013 00:44:33
Just thought I'd take the conversation away from today's result and talk about the topc of the week - ball boys.
They've been getting some bad press for time wasting etc, so to set the balance right I 'd like to point out that it was a ball boy who did us a favour in Instanbul and played a big part in Smicer's goal.
The ball went out for a Liverpool throw in, but instead of retrieving it, he immediately threw Riise a ball he had in his possession. Riise took a quick throw in while some of the Milan team still had their backs to the ball, which came through Alonso and Hamann to Smicer ...... 3-2 ...... and the rest as they say is history.
Lfc played a fa cup game away and with minutes to go the ball boy gave the ball back to us in express time he thought that is what you do lfc scored and the ball boy got given hell by jimmy hill etc
Becuase it wasnt milans ground, so ball boy didn't care, just did his job
He would probably be a ball-man by now
cozinoz
28 Jan 2013 00:42:15
ah well, if you don't win the cup someone beats you, bring on arsenal 3 points needed
28 Jan 2013 00:41:19
We desperately need experienced players; the inconsistency is due to the number of young players in our squad.
I can't believe how we've been fooled by this buy young players with good 'resale' value policy. The key word being resale. FSG don't spend money on experienced players becausse they're hoping these young talents can make them some money in the future
28 Jan 2013 00:39:00
Im not going to deny it, i'm a huge supporter of BR and thus am going to stand up for him and the team, particularly after today
Yes we lost today, and there were a couple of poor performances, football is a crazy game and the theoretical result is not always the end result. Oldham are a league 1 side but at the end of the day it is a cup! the league places mean nothing on the pitch and the other team will fight just as hard to win as LFC
Anyone slating the team needs to reassess themselves! one poor game and it's as if the world has come crashing down!
Other people then go on to further propose that BR should go because Villa managed to beat us 3-1 yet conceded about 20 goals in the next 4 games! Once again I reiterate that the team expected to win doesn't always win; Liverpool won 5-2 at Carrow road yet UTD lost 1-0. It's called a poor performance
I for one, am excited by the prospect of this LFC team under Rodgers. It is young, fresh and most importantly it is the most positive I've seen in a long time! We're going to lose along the way but we're improving all the time!
Br is employed to win games for lfc we all have to support what he does but he should have played his best team and now he should know the players to get rid of and please do not keep the likes of coates because we have a thin squad get rid if you can .
He didn't have to play his best team against Oldham, just a better balanced side.
kidmillions
28 Jan 2013 00:33:37
People seem to forget this is the FA cup and as witnessed this weekend .with our team and other top teams losing to lower legislation teams, It's extremely unpredictable. The lower legislation teams are always hard to play against. Bad playing conditions and the fact we are not used to them. they are always more.offensive is attack as they don't really have anything to lose. What's everyone's problem? Were can now focus more on 4th without havibg extra games to tire out our squad. Give the manager a break. BevansBaws
28 Jan 2013 00:29:24
Just looked on everton banter page the only thing they have got to talk about is Liverpool it must be boredom cause they can't talk about transfers but they could of asked eds were is kenwright going on holiday this jan
At least they are still in the fa cup and are ahead of us in the league and seem to spend the little money they have in a good way I love lfc but I admire the toffees . ynwaq red mick tag
28 Jan 2013 00:28:26
we started the gae without a midfield ora defensive leader
we needed a third man in midfield
skrtel and coates bad pairing,,, .....]]
robbodidntcover himself inlory
steven gerrard best player on the fieldby a mile
tom1975
3 points at the emirates please, .....just the tonic that's needed
28 Jan 2013 00:28:11
Christopher Samba
If we bought him I think we'd be set in defence for years.
Skrtel, Agger and Samba fighting to start.
Kelly, Wisdom and Sama learning from them.
28 Jan 2013 00:27:05
Your right Macca. Lucas is solid and should have started today. Our defence was shocking, Coates was walked all over
28 Jan 2013 00:26:47
We are too soft a touch. We have no leaders or physical presence in the absence of SG. The policy of signing youth is positive but this youth could look like lost lambs without the older ewes to learn from and look up to. This is crucial for our further progress under the current regime. Address this lack of steel and attitude within the first team so the whole club can benefit on and off the pitch. Youngsters need guidance and can only learn from experienced pros they play alongside in training week in week out.
28 Jan 2013 00:25:44
Hi Macca,
Do you think after today's result Liverpool will try to get a midfield powerhouse in? Someone in the mold of Sissoko? and yes I know he has gone to Newcastle.
Marc
28 Jan 2013 00:24:24
I think BR tried something and it came back to bite him in his ass unfortunately.
England is most definitely a different league completely to spain. Physicality is part of the game and midfield is an area that needs to be earned physically which enables you to then play the passing game. I actually thought Joe and Jordan were quite good today in every aspect of their game but they were short in numbers. Gerrard and Jonjo made a huge difference when they came on and we started to take over. Playing 3 strikers and sterling who is like a striker effectively left us with 2 in midfield and it didn't work. Also the defence was too inexperienced for this type of encounter. I suspect if Carragher played today we'd have won this one.
I thought Skrtel, Allen, Henderson, Gerrard, Jonjo, Downing and Suarez have nothing to be ashamed of today.
Unfortunately for Jones, he had his first poor game today. I hope it doesn't effect his confidence because he's been superb for us this season and I love his attitude. Bad day at the office for him. I hope he just picks his head up and continue like he has being doing before this game.
Robinson is a long way off. Good pospect at the moment, certainly not ready for first team. Perhaps a left back is needed for cover but with jonhson able to play there I see no reason to panic about left back.
Wisdom, very slow to rush out for the first cross for first goal but other than that was ok. I like him a lot but he can definitely play better. Mediocre performance today.
Coates. Well he's young but this was a mare for him. I think the fact he is a 6ft6 giant with the agression of a five year old child is a far bigger issue. He can learn this but I think the door will come first. He can be a great defender in the future but has an immense amount to learn. We definitely need another CB IMO.
Sterling played ok in places and I think he will be a star for us. Gets critisised a lot lately but he is very young and this is huge experience for the young lad who has bucket loads of talent in my eyes. Most disapointing thing for me was that he gave up blocking down the cross for the third goal. what's most dissapointing about this at this stage of the game was that he knew that was their main threat. Showed lack of determination here big time. I think its important we continue to support this lad because he is definitely a future star for LFC.
Borini. I wish his talent matched his brain. Ryan Babel with Borini's brain would be one class player. His understading of the game is far beyond his young years. I really hope he can learn to develop his footballing skills under BR because the basics are there and with his intelligence on the pitch he could be a star. But today, besides a few decent moments, he was largely inneffective.
Sturridge had a mare but continued to be a constant threat still. Even with him having a terrible game. Bad day at the office for him. Nothing to say but hope he just forgets it and gets back to it again Wednesday.
When I saw the team I recognized BR was trying something playing Suarez in the number 10 role which many of you have been crying out for but it simply didn't work. I thought it was worth a try against oldham because we would still win but unfortunately it didn't pan out that way. It was a gamble that had disastrous effects unfortunately but at least now he should know it doesn't work .
I think BR has been fantastic this season. There is a clear vision for the future and even this season is far from over. He and FSG have completely stabilized the club and now we are starting to move forward as recent performances *previous to todays* have shown.
We still have to continue building the squad but that will be done over the next few seasons. This will be the man that takes us back to glory.
To ask for his head is an abomination and will send us back yet again just when it looks like we're moving forward.
Fourth place and Europa League are still to play for.
And Arsenal, We're coming for you and heads up, WE ARE ANGRY.
Fulham 4 0 Angry after we lost to Aston Villa, QPR 3 0 Angry after we lost to Stoke. And Norwich 5 0 angry after we lost to Man United.
Davey Sulls
28 Jan 2013 00:20:03
Hey eds, Macca talks about physical presence in the centre of the field. I think we need a defensive midfielder to cover for Lucas. What about Diam� from West Ham? He's cheap and in my opinion, could be very useful for us in games againts teams that play very physical.
I know he has vejen dealt with a lot in the past, but do you agree with me? And do Liverpool have any interest in him or a player like him?
Thanks, AC from DK
28 Jan 2013 00:18:13
What are the chances of Liverpool buying an experienced centre back to compete with Skrtel and Agger?
Looks like Carragher will retire after this season, Coates will be sold to the highest Brazilian bid, Wilson will finish his contract while on loan.
Leaving Kelly, Wisdom and Sama as only centre backs remaining to compete.
Can I get your opinion on Liverpool signing Ashley Williams or Christopher Samba, think one of them could do the job.
28 Jan 2013 00:16:55
The negative whingers are back - leaving no names in case we win our next game and they get called out.
How many posters were up in arms when the team was released saying 'there's no way were going to compete with Oldham with that 11'? How many people were crying for Coates to get more game time instead of loaning him out or for Jones to usurp Reina as No.1?
It's easy to shout down Brendon for a poor team selection after the game has kicked off. Coates was a good choice against Smith, Robinson seemed sensible while Johnson is injured. They were both poor but on paper it seemed a good selection. With three games in fast succession, it makes sense to rest Gerrard, Lucas for the bigger games and play more than capable youngsters. Problem was definitely not the team selection by BR, it's the fact that the selected team didn't perform. No disrespect to Oldham but the team that went out should have gotten a comfortable result.
cozinoz
Usual nonsense from this guy
28 Jan 2013 00:16:44
i think our players need to hit the gym..
28 Jan 2013 00:16:24
How much sell on will LFC receive for the Insua transfer
What with that and the money we'll get if Reading get Ince ( Which I hope they do) we're building quite a little transfer kitty
Think we need to consolidate now, in 4-2-3-1 we have :
Gerrard Lucas Hendo Allen as the holders
Suarez downing coutinho borini sterling Suso assaidi shelvey competing to play behind Sturridge
From today's performance looks like our defensive second string are not up to the mark.... Think we need cover at LB/LCB and should lose Coates because seems we can get some money for him; I agree with Macca too slow and doesn't suit our style.... I would like to see ogbonna but mirin would be a cheaper alternative with promise
Shushyboy
28 Jan 2013 00:15:45
Macca said that we could do with a physical cm midfielder and maybe a cb, I for 1 think wanyama is the man, can play both positions and it very comfortable on the ball. Cheers
Danandovski
28 Jan 2013 00:14:04
Even though todays performance and team management and selection were all quite depressing, I myself have reason to celebrate so I thought I would share it with you all to see if the knowledge I now possess could also remedy you of one of lifes cruel afflictions and make you feel as quietly chuffed as I do:D
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ReDeXe :D {Ed001's Note - those mature dating ads etc should be blocked now anyway.}
! Great post.
Adam
28 Jan 2013 00:13:05
Like soo many other "poor/disappointing/sh*t" performances this season, I will have to file that one under "disaster management".
That's really what BR's management style is...... "disaster"!.
Disrespect the competition and your opponents and it comes back to "bite you in the ar*e".
But sadly, BR just does not seem to learn from his "blunders!".
Red Baron.
Every manager at a top flight club has been knocked out by a lower league team at some point, you honestly going to say Fergie, wenger, rafa and many others are bad managers because they get beat every once in a while?
Nevada
28 Jan 2013 00:08:46
Sack Br and who's out there to take over? jh
28 Jan 2013 00:03:19
I know BR is trying but he has made us so soft. We don't look like we can beat any of the top sides.
Eds what's your take on it. I know BR made the wrong choices yesterday but why do we look soo weak??
Slow poke {Ed001's Note - because we are weak, we lack any real power and we need to add that to our game soon. We can't change it over night though, we have sorted one issue, we now have pace up front to threaten opponents with. A little bit of quality in the final third was our main priority. Now we need a bit more steel in the middle, both in midfield and defence. Personally I think that was the type of game to play Carra as a defensive midfielder, rather than a centre back. He doesn't have the height or strength to cope with the huge lump they had up front, but he does have the work rate, experience and steel to give as good as he gets in the middle. Hopefully someone like Coady will come good soon, if we can't find steel to buy in.}
Hi Ed. thanks for the response. Do you rate any players out there that we could buy realistically? Some people say Diame but I am not convinced. The price that is going around is right for us though
Slowpoke {Ed001's Note - I still think Medel could be a good signing for the midfield. He relishes a midfield battle, but he can play when he gets the ball as well. You don't get in to a Bielsa side without being technically proficient and Medel was the central midfielder in Bielsa's Chile side.}
28 Jan 2013 00:00:30
In regards to Macca's latest post I have to agree.
It's becoming evident we struggle against physical sides (and have done for a number of years now).
I feel a player such as Diame would benefit us greatly in the middle against powerful sides such as West Ham and Stoke.
I also feel an aerially-dominant centre back such as Fazio would be beneficial. Coates is far too lightweight for his size, he should be winning nearly everything in the air but he doesn't. Too slow on the turn as well.
27 Jan 2013 23:58:53
' ...youngster let us down..' Rodgers said. Youngsters can be excused if they learn from their mistakes, IF they learn from their mistakes.
Robinson had the chance to cross to Suarez in a great position to score, but he chose to shoot over and have the cheek to turn to Suarez and tell him to 'F--k o--'....and saw Rodgers throw his arms up in the air...
Now, that's the kind of playerswe don't need...loan move or out for good...sad to see...
27 Jan 2013 23:56:21
All the little teams have been inspired with what has happened over past few weeks and coming out and playing attacking football and that is confusing the big teams that why it hard to handle and especially at their grounds where as they usually wait to attack of set pieces or plays EXACTLY WHY MAN UNITED whave been winning so much because teams are accepting man utd are the better team they was attacking of the mistakes and first year to say honestly a fair few teams are scrapping it with man utd and fergie and the team are stunned nowadayand confidence is down Aswell as scared to lose the ball. All the managers nowadays are under 50 and are givin the lads confidence. Most of these lads want new contracts with bigger clubs so they need to give it their best when it is on a plate like that to show what you can do what you Wrekin ed
Swearing at "saint's Suarez"
Bet he was highly offended??
27 Jan 2013 23:55:26
I think Rogers is right, some of the younger players did let us down today, Rogers can not pick his best players for every match and if we can not rely on the younger players to do a job when called for then they need to be re assessed. Oldham had a gameplan and bullied the younger players, they knew what they had to do to win and credit to them for getting the result they deserved. I do agree with the posters that an experienced head or two are needed though.
Ratty888
27 Jan 2013 23:51:20
sorry guys but I laugh my pants off. if we sign a player or win a game, BR is a God and FSG rule. now we lose a cup fame and the whole team and BR is rubbish and FSG out!
If ever we beat Arsenal and City or get 4 points from those matches, BR will be God and FSG will rule again. Sorry people but that's not credible anymore.
Marc
27 Jan 2013 23:47:51
I think our performance or lack of it was on par with one against west brom at start of season. wrong team selection and coates was awful. wisdom is composed but doesn't offer anything going forward nd should have been played centre half and mclaughlin should have been played at right back. skrtel hasn't been as good as last year.
formation was wrong and gerrad and shelvey showed how to be little more composed in middle. Henderson worked his socks off. borini needs goal and his miss was awful. sterling needs to learn how to play as winger as he was making the pitch narrow and easier for oldham. I think br should take the blame as it was the wrong formation then wrong team but we got to move on. no more excuses of thin squad as only got PL and euorpa league to play for.
Harry Oldbury
27 Jan 2013 23:46:05
Coutinho looks great on youtube but has anyone seen him play genuinely in Serie A or Europa League? Would like some info on his attitude, style, consistency etc....
Thanks
Kam
If he lives up to his potential he will be great but he's been a bit lightweight for inter of late and that's why they want rid
27 Jan 2013 23:42:00
eds, you've been quiet about stewart downing, and i've even seen people claim he's been good lately. I don't know who their watching, but it isn't stewart downing. he came on in the 55th minute against oldham and in that time he gave the ball away (misplaced pass, horrible touch, or horrible decision) 18 times. that means that (including the 6 minutes of stoppage time) he handed oldham the ball every 2 minutes and 16 seconds.
he is a one dimensional player who, in the 1970's, would have been a superstar. but in the modern game he is a detriment to our team. he runs up and down the sidelines, gives the ball away or has a horrible cross to no one because that's not how we play, nor do we have anyone of height. he must be sold. are there any potential takers? also, I challenge anyone to try and justify downing even making the bench when we have much better and more diverse players.
Not saying Downing played well but he did more and gave the ball away less than Suarez (other than the goal), Sturridge and Sterling. The only players to emerge with any credit were Stevie and Hendo.
PieInTheSkyMan
27 Jan 2013 23:41:44
Lot's of people acting like it's the end of the world and we lack experience in our team, when in fact our first team was lacking:
-Glen Johnson, 28
-Jose Enrique, 26
-Pepe Reina, 30
-Lucas Leiva, 26
-Daniel Agger, 28
-Steven Gerrard, 32
I think if you add that lot in it doesn't seem so inexperienced does it? People need to seriously get a grip. This isn't the end of our season and I expect a response from the lads. I think everyone could see Brendan was naive with his team selection and was experimental, but it backfired. It's part of the learning process.
Looking forward to Arsenal on Wednesday.
PS.
-Congratz to Michael Ngoo on scoring his first goal on-loan for Hearts on his debut, got them to a cup final, hope he goes on to win it.
-Really excited by the Coutinho transfer, if Brendan can unlock his potential he'll be something special and for £8.5M it's even better.
-Tom Ince was at the game today, probably means nothing.
Heads up lads !
AsianRed
27 Jan 2013 23:38:34
I love how most of the people that post here can have their opinion swayed by only one performance. Take Robinson for example. Seen as a great talent with a bright future in the club, and everybody still raving about his performance against Walcott, he is now deemed not good enough for the club. This game was particularly difficult for the young players of our team, they were up against a hungry team that played like it was their last game. To go back to Robinson, he was not helped defensively by his winger and Coates also had a dreadful game. So what, have you forgotten Skrtel's first game agaisnt Havant and Waterlooville ? These kind of games aren't easy for players who aren't used to these kind of atmosphere and type of football with nasty challenges and players getting in your face.
Now I know most of the fans are going to accuse Rodgers for this defeat. In my opinion, he landed a very strong offensive force so we could takeover the game quickly and ease the pressure on the back four except the early goal put the defence and Jones in doubt for the rest of the game. I'm not defending him blindly but his tactic could've worked, as one or two early goals are the best way to tame the spirit of a hungry team.
Finally, don't forget that most of our opponents aren't that far from Premier League players. Most of the players of Championship/ League One/ League Two played with those in Premier League in the academies and as such, are able to play on par for a game or more ( Grant Holt managing 15 goals in the Premier League is an example). Upsets happen every year and always feel like an embarrassment but should not be the reason for a manager to be sacked.
I feel Rodgers is the right man to bring us forward but will need some time (and by time I mean more than 3 months like some of the posters seem to think). So behave, continue to support your club and don't ask for Rodgers' head if we lose against Arsenal and City and don't say we'll definitely finish 4th if we manage to get 4 points, try to be moderate even if I know it can be difficult when you're passionate about something.
French LFC
27 Jan 2013 23:24:14
I wish all the so called fans would get a grip, the squad was utilised today as we have two very important games in the league, win them both and fourth is possible. What would you rather fa cup win or champions league?
Red Grand
Confidence is massive in football.
Ours has been severely dented..
3 days to recover? Will it be enough.
If we can get an early goal at the Emirates I think we'll be ok.
kidmillions
27 Jan 2013 23:24:13
not clutching at straws, but did anyone else think that collision with jones early on should've seen the oldham player red carded?
dived in on jones' chest with his studs, if only it was at the kop end, and jones had rolled around in agony..... {Ed001's Note - he did defo lift his foot much higher than the ball.}
27 Jan 2013 23:23:45
Some supporters on here are truly shocking, yes we lost but you have to realise we can't win them all and of course I'm disappointed, but I for one thought the team sounded very strong before the game and although a few players played not so well we cannot be starting Gerrard very game, we need to rotate and rest and until we get a good enough squad together to be able to do this and win every game in the process I'm sure the majority of you still won't be happy.
Just remember last season when we got to 2 finals and Jenny got sacked, league is the no 1 priority
Brendan's done a wonderful job, yes a few signings having lived upto there potential but comparing the squad to last season it's much better and the style of play has also improved, remember this is a transitional period for the club.
27 Jan 2013 23:23:40
Ed001, I know Ed002 reckons we will get 2 more players in before the deadline (Coutinho and someone else), how many do you think we will get in?
Thanks {Ed001's Note - I am going to say none, because if I am hopeful of a signing it falls through, when I am not hopeful we manage to sort out the issues and get them!}
27 Jan 2013 23:22:10
I wonder if everyone on the Spurs page is acting as if the world is ending? No?...Ok then.
AsianRed
And Spurs are used to our standards are they?And why the Comparison? we're LFC
27 Jan 2013 23:09:12
Has the red mist lifted yet and have we all recovered from match day fever to post sensibly again? Or will we have to wait until tomorrow?
Jolly Red
27 Jan 2013 23:03:46
We were poor today.
On paper our team looked strong in terms of attacking, with Luis, Daniel, Raheem, and Borini.
In the middle of the park we were weak, and it showed. Allen and Henderson failed to get hold of the game, and with a physical Oldham side constantly pressing, it didn't look like they ever would. Robinson was particularly poor at left back, was often caught out of position and frequently wasted opportunties and lost posession. Coates was also equally poor.
The team as a whole didn't look upto the challenage and it was disheartening to see us conceed defeat to the lesser opponent. We can't afford to roll-over in these physical contests all the time, it's embarassing.
27 Jan 2013 23:02:25
First of all, just for those of you who start hurling abuse about those who express their disappointment in the blogs - we have every right to and don't have to blindly accept the situation or be shouted down by those who think it is disloyal to point out the problems.....after all it is our hard earned money we spend following the club we love.
Today underlined many facts. Firstly, we need a mix of experience and youth. The boys on the pitch today were battered by men. Men who knew exactly how to go about it because we are predictable and any team that follows Stoke or Oldham's tactics will most likely batter us as well.
For god's sake the rhetoric has been about taking LFC back to the top and we concede 3 goals to a division 1 side. Out of both domestic cups and only beaten teams in the bottom half of the league in the premiership. Does anyone think the defeat and performance today will strike fear into out forthcoming opponents ?? Beating Norwich 5-0 was papering over the cracks. After all they had lost 6 of their preceding games and yesterday lost to non league opposition- hardly a champagne popping achievement
BR's persistence in his 'philosophy', inept back room staff (in terms of team selection and tactics) and the policy of only investing in inexperienced youth will lead to the demise of this club....look at Aston Villa (who infact battered us as well).
So which teams do you think younger supporters will latch onto this weekend FSG and My Ayre? Man Utd, Man City or Liverpool? Which club will they pledge their lifetime allegiance to and their future earnings on a weekly basis and buying merchandise. Will it be LFC who were knocked out by a near relegation 1st division team? Don't think so.
In the time it takes for the current young players to reach the required standard, some will have been sold for profit, the world class experienced players would have left or retired and potential supporters world wide will have put their interests into more exciting prospect of watching our rivals win silverware and titles.
The results, performances and current transfer situations show whether there has been progress.......in my opinion it is a resounding NO PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE!
Make your minds up ........settling for mediocrity now is forsaking our future.
RedDoc
Spot on RedDoc.
Ozone
Well said REDDOC, sometimes being a
Football fan you have to be realistic
And honest there is no progress
Being made, passing the ball around
A bit more than last season is not
Progress, we were getting beat
Yesterday with minutes to go and
Still we were carrying on passing it
Around at the back......BR. Is out
Of his depth, the man is a BLUFFER...
27 Jan 2013 22:59:18
I aren't going to bang on about what everybody is saying, most of which has already been said, so I'll try and keep this short as possible and to the point.
1) We need to start playing the passing game further up the pitch for longer periods of time. Passing for passing's sake 99% of the time. Passing around midfield and the back 4 sideways all game. We aren't going anywhere. But its also true, that we need the right players in order to play further up the field.
2) We need to stop f*cking about passing around the back in stupid areas. Opposition are spotting this and working it out, its common sense. Press us and we make mistakes at the back! Rodgers IS telling the defenders to play like this and is more than willing to own up for it (You saw it at Swansea) and apart from Agger, none of them CAN do it! Its common f*cking sense! If you pass it around the back sloppily with poor players, prepare to put yourselves in the sh*t! Take the risks up the pitch! Not around your goalkeeper! It's not about tiki-taka, its footballing common sense. Defenders are defenders for a reason! They are not Luis Suarez on the ball! Because if they were, they would not be a defender, would they? OK we're not saying hump it and lump it, not at all, don't want that, but they need to lay of the passing round the back so much. We cause our own problems! It's no wonder the opposition targets us in this area. They know we can be got at by pressing.
3) It has been evident to me, since the time Rodgers has been manager, we need steel in midfield. Gerrard will get stuck in, ok; Henderson will run for Ethiopia, ok, Lucas will mop up, ok. But we need a real physical presence to help out in midfield, and dominate when on the ball.
Even Barcelona had Yaya Toure, who they used in plenty of games. I'm not saying WE ARE Barcelona; we're not even on that same planet footballing and player wise. But we DO need that sort of player. A destroyer, but with the mentality to go forward with the ball. Just like Patrick Vieira at Arsenal. You need this player in this system, just as much as the little intricate luxury players up top.
You need to be able to use that sort of player in this system. It's vital. They don't have to be Messi on the ball. Just look at Momo Sissoko for instance, did a job, unsung hero, dominated plenty of games with him simply doing his job. Didn't get a lot of praise, because of the rest of the team at the time, but his performances certainly didn't go unnoticed with me in the big games. I'd like to see if we would have won half of those games without him in there.
There is a player at West Ham, with a clause in his contract, who Kenny looked at when he was playing at Wigan. Mohammed Diame at £3.5million is a steal if ever I saw one, and would transform our midfield in just one player. He dominated our lightweight midfield at Upton Park before going of injured, we then smash and grabbed a win. I've watched him a lot since the start of the season and it's a no brainer Arsenal are sniffing around, because they are in need of the same player as us!!
Plus he can carry the ball and go forward, it's simple, its bland, it maybe old fashioned like Andy Carroll, but we DO need it. The system needs it. It's so blatantly obvious.
Surely Rodgers can see this to? Your in denial if you cant.
Forget all the FSG "has to be the right deal" crap, we NEED this type of player and the £3.5mill is nothing compared to what we just forked out for Coutinho. A player who will be nothing with nothing in behind him. Just like they were today. Nothing.
Someone like Ince or Coutinho wouldn't have influenced that game anymore than those playing today, we didn't boss the game and we didn't pass with any cutting edge up the pitch. We needed to boss the game first and foremost, did we? No. We got out bossed, out hustled. Predictably and sorrily so. Should of seen it coming.
This is just common sense, you need a platform, today there wasn't one, so the forward players had nout to fall back on. Nobody was comfortable. They were not confident to do what they do, because of those behind them. IMO, if we had that Diame type player today, they would have been a point to build off and a League One side would not have battered us from pillar to post in midfield so easily. The result of that is the attacking players would have had more freedom and confidence up the pitch. You need a mix. Not just one or the other.
27 Jan 2013 22:55:49
Every cloud has a silver lining, at least I won't have to watch ITV for another year.
Yep Andy Townsend and the other person who kept saying Dean Sturridge ...
Marc
27 Jan 2013 22:51:13
I missed the match today as I was travelling but received a pretty disturbing report from my old man and was wondering opinions on the Robinson incident. What I was told was the lad should have crossed it to Suarez, shot well wide instead. The senior player (and superstar) unsurprisingly gave the youngster a dressing down but Robinson was apparently very disrespectful and went so far to tell Suarez to F. off. If I'm the manager that lad is in for a reality check and a serious dressing down. I know it gets heated but to react that way against the team's superstar I would probably ship the lad out tomorrow. I'm curious was it really that bad?
That's accurate but I wouldn't say it was the worst incident. He should've passed, Luis was understandably aggrieved and I think Robinson was trying to say he had every right to have a pop himself. I'm sure they had a cuddle after the game
Unfortunately, the incident was exactly as described in your post. I agree that Robinson's behaviour was utterly unacceptable and I do not want to see him in a red shirt for a very long time after that display.
Red Owl
He did swear at our star player, cheek after he missed & had a terrible game. We need to get Diame from west ham - bargain at 3.5 mill... There are bargains to be had in Spain & France - need reinforcing.
Thanks for the replies, I was just thinking it sounds like immaturity if nothing else so maybe a loan would be a good idea. Give the lad a chance to grow up while letting it be known that players need to govern themselves in a manner befitting of the club.
27 Jan 2013 22:47:53
Points to take from today:
1. Tell those players that if they don't try and give it their all they either won't get played or will get sold. the lack of commitment today was woeful.
2. coates needs to be sold. every time he plays he makes some kind of horribly crucial mistake that costs us the game.
3. jonjo and carragher should have started today. carragher and jonjo would have brought experience, fight and a physical presence to the side.
4. following on point 3, it annoys me when fans ask for stylish and glamourous european players who have no heart or grit and always get bullied around. a jon walters or ashley williams would work wonders for us.
5. we need more experience in the team.
6. we need more defenders in the team.
7. I seem to be the only one who noticed that rather than playing sensible, short passes in and around the box Liverpool were trying to play ridiculous 60 yard pirlo passes. only stevie g has the right to try it, not bloody jack robinson.
8. if this doesn't prove what commitment and determination can do for a team, what the fa cup is about and what Liverpool have been missing this season. no coincidence that everton and united are doing better than Liverpool at the moment yet they never give up and always score in the last minute of a game.
sorry for the essay, just wanted to get my point across.
Anonymous woolback
27 Jan 2013 22:37:06
why did we buy joe allen though? for £15 million there's a hundred more players I would rather have
I know you said worse about hendo and downing..no need for all this bs
27 Jan 2013 22:36:10
Ngo score a fantastic goal for hearts. they are in final 1st time in their club history.
27 Jan 2013 22:31:37
hmmm where was andy carroll when you needed him?
I don't see the logic in spending 35 million on someone and then losing the whole lot by letting him fester on loan,
especially when there are at least 15 games a season when he is exactly what we need
You answered your question he's on loan! Oh and he's injured! Support the team!
He's injured and the only way he would have helped is if he played in defence
cozinoz
He's at west ham being injured(again) and not scoring! Which says he's exactly what we don't need!
Littletommythetank
Andy carroll is the answer to none of our problems except maybe ball boy
28 Jan 2013 10:22:07
I'n guna stick my neck out here and say remember the Carling cup final? Carroll was all over the pitch and I remember Miller getting a chance in the final minutes and it was Carroll that made the challenge.
He didn't win the ball but put enough pressure on Miller to rush the shot and fluff his lines, nobody else was even close to him.
He may be this and that, but he's still one of our own.
WelshBoyDave
Arggghhhh Welshboy nonsense again
27 Jan 2013 22:28:09
Please Ed do you no why carra didn't start today is that because he is now ahead of skertel again In first team and was being rested ahead of arsenal. Can't think of any reason why he didn't play today if not ? {Ed001's Note - it does seem that way, Skrtel's loss of form has caused him to lose his place and he didn't exactly do his case any favours today.}
27 Jan 2013 22:22:17
After yet another pathetic day out, it's quite clear that we need to buy a couple of experienced players, instead of yet another promising youngster, that might or might not come good in time. I am starting to lose the faith with BR! we almost had a full strength team on the pitch today. Oldham are 19th in division 1, I think that says it all. Where going backwards my friends. Bring back Roy all is forgiven.
Redslave
Oldham are still 19th in Div 1 and were in with a shout of top 4 Prem League. Quit flapping over one result, fickle
cozinoz
is it the coach that plays the match or the players, that team he selected should easily had dispatched oldham, skrtel and wisdom play our prem games coates and robinson have enough experience not to put in that kind of performance..
did you see the chances borini and sterling..it should have been 2-2 at the start of the second half..the players put in a poor performance not the coach
27 Jan 2013 22:21:43
Think today justified the need to move on Coates, yeah Matt Smiths a big lad but Coates didn't look at all comfortable playing against a league one side!
Also think Robinson needs to get himself out on loan if he's to start pushing Enrique for a first team spot, I think he also struggled to cope today which was a shame, was looking forward to see him get some game time. On a plus though I thought Hendrrson had another good game and Gerrard continued his rise to top form and was unlucky with that great strike to his the crossbar! When Coutinho arrives I'm excited by the attacking options we'll have, a lot of players fighting for a starting role as well, hopefully with a bit of luck we can start to make the likes of arsenal and spurs look over there shoulders! Although I think we'll still miss out again this season, but onwards and upwards!