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28 Feb 2013 22:39:07
Rodgers is a complete c**k.
Just seen his comments and lack of support for Rafa.
Man has no class and in him I do not trust.

He said that he didn't want to get involved because its nothing to do with him. Rodgers comments was spot on. Its Chelsea football club problem no one else's.

I agree, I dropped my 99 ice Cream with a flake on the floor yesterday

Brendan didn't even say sorry!

28 Feb 2013 23:32:01
Why would Rodgers support Benitez, Rodgers has good bonding with chelsea fans why would he upset them by supporting Benitez and do the same mistake which are haunting Benitez now.

Benitez mistake was he was too obsessed with Liverpool in fact for him managing Liverpool was more then a job and for that he created some rivals, eg Chelsea we had some battles with them when mourinho was their manager, when we defeated them in champions league semi final mourinho insulted the kop in return Benitez did the same calling chelsea a plastic club with no history blah blah, now this words are haunting him, same with fergie when fergie insulted Liverpool benitez was quick to insult united and fergie which is still haunting him.

Now time has changed where he is no more Liverpool manager and his past Obsession with Liverpool is haunting him. Why would rodgers do the same when you don't know what will happen next, he might get sacked and his words might come back and bite him like Benitez so needs to be carefull rather then emotional.

Benitez is so obessed with Liverpool that instead of going back to spain where he has big reputation and respect and has got some offers to manage some clubs their instead his leaving in Liverpool with his family.

01 Mar 2013 00:03:56
I have a lot of respect for benitez the fans loved him and adored him especially at anfield the atmosphere was electric, fans would come out every week with Benitez flags and sing their hearts out through out the game, he has given younger fans the memories which are Unforgettable and will stay with them for life, those days anfield was bouncing week and week out just miss everything now, champions league nights at anfield are so special that no stadium can replace.

01 Mar 2013 00:39:29
Why?

Rodgers was asked would Rafa's rant and the pressure he's under help us catch Chelsea and basically said it was something that Rafa needed saying, but beyond that none of his business and nothing to do with Liverpool.

It's fairly clear I'm a Rafa fan, but I have no problem at all with Rodgers not getting into Rafa's situation at Chelsea. Rodgers' job is to manage Liverpool Football Club, not to direct praise towards Rafa or anyone else. If he wants to say Rafa is great and right about everything? Fine by me. If he doesn't? Also fine.

Unless there was something cut from the interview I saw.

Takes one to know one!

and you definitely are one

Lyndon

Ha ha ha ha ha ha have you heard yourselves? Rafa is no longer the Liverpool manager and has nothing to do with Liverpool anymore, thanks for the memories rafa but he's not part of our club now so who cares what he says or does! As for Rodgers he doesn't have to do squat that involves Chelsea because he's the Liverpool manager and nothing to do with Chelsea anymore, so get over yourselves

To be honest I've been a Rodgers sceptic all along, however, I have no problem at all with him keeping out of this issue.
Chelsea is nothing to do with LFC or Rodgers.
Rafa is a Kop legend.
But don't let the media distract Rodgers from doing his job.

01 Mar 2013 07:40:03
just one word to the man who posted something like this.
". Benitez had many problems. he was obsessed with Liverpool so much that he made some rivals. "

Mate. and those people are called crazzy Liverpool fans.
have you heard of any manager who loved their club this much in this generation.

he loved Liverpool more than his career.
and we should be proud of it.

you don't have any clue on the word loyalty. or passion.

I am sure. you haven't watched one game when he was in charge.

He was special. very very special. no matter where he is now.

He loved our club more than you. be proud of that.

he was a red. and will remain a red forever.

if Liverpools biggest strennth is its history. then you will never erase him from Liverpool history.

harry scousser
ynwa

01 Mar 2013 08:56:00
There is no doubt that in modern footy Benitez gave some fantastic moments and we were the force that, any club was scared to face us in champions league can't forget the man he gave me some of the best moments of my life as Liverpool fan.

Always respect to benitez!

Benitez has been harshly treated by the Chav fans in particular.
I'm not sure now which manager would want to go to Chavski now, bearing in mind he may only have a job for a few months.
Maybe we might get lucky and they poach BR and we get a decent manager in who knows how to win games!

So mou insulted kop before Benitez give him and his fans a well deserve answer, and same wif ferguuu, he dosnt only insult Benitez he insult the hole Liverpoolfc foundation, u know why even when we r playin bad not playin champions league, ferguuu this sucker can't bear our massive massive fan base around the world, he is just doing some help to us becouse as much he criticise lfc as much our fan base grow up, especially on Suarez saga, and 4 crazy lfc fans or may b another club supporters hu came here and critisice our legend, they will have mou before Benitez, and ferguuu before him, just becouse of the media.

28 Feb 2013 22:38:13
Why do I hate Roberto Martinez, he seems like I nice guy, but there is something so dull about him. Is it just me?

Just you. he's a nice bloke, gets on with his owner, gets on with the job, and has one of the most secure position in the pl (managerial wise) despite doing a relegation battle evert season.

Maybe just u

Anything to do with he wouldn't touch us with a barge pole?

28 Feb 2013 21:38:40
Please stop with the speculation about Suarez leaving. its because, the media pick up on rumours and spin it for news, then the players head turns when a big club says officially they want that player. Be happy he is playing for us and we are going to get better and he knows it! because he loves lfc
3 years and we will be champs!
Footydan

I wish!

Don't blast me for being negative but never in a million years!

If we'd just had two years qualifying champs league and there were signs of improvements maybe but no, not going to happen!

28 Feb 2013 21:36:20
Rodgers will sell downing in the summer in order to make way for a new winger I am not sure who but he will be a young prospect.

Id have a wild guess and say maybe it will be Thomas Ince.

28 Feb 2013 21:33:58
Ibe is knocking on the first team's door! What a talent! Eds any chance to see him in PL this year?
Danieldenmark {Ed001's Note - depends on injuries and form, so always a chance.}

28 Feb 2013 20:55:58
Ed's there seems to be a them to my posts lately, you post them then an hour later there gone! Any reason why, especially tonights post. Thanks!

Waro {Ed002's Note - I have just gotten of a plane Waro but there was a bunch of nonsense related to one of the posts and Ozone saying his goodbyes to everyone - it had to go. Try discussing something less controversial - like why do sandwiches taste better when cut diagonally?}

Omg I thought that was just me that foud that! They defo do taste nicer when in triangles

London red {Ed001's Note - a bloke I worked with used to claim that was how you would know if your missus loved you or not. If she cut your sarnies into triangles, she loved you, if not she didn't. I never did understand how that worked, but he did convince most of the other lads, who all came in the next day with triangle butties!}

28 Feb 2013 20:36:29
oops. I posted a reply to Waros post from earlier. Now the whole post has disappeared.
Is there a conspiracy against me?
Lol. paranoia. {Ed001's Note - no, the original post was removed as it was meant to be held for Ed002 to deal with and was mistakenly posted by the editor who dealt with it. I am hoping Waro will see this and post it in again, as I copied it to paste in again to hold it for Ed002 and lost it before pasting it. I don't know what it was regarding, so I think it is only fair those 2 deal with it between themselves, rather than everyone joining in. Especially as most of the replies were quite abusive, on both sides.}

28 Feb 2013 20:31:26
Hey Eds, who do you think will get the Player of the Year award? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. {Ed001's Note - tough one, I can't think of any player who has been consistently excellent. Gerrard started badly, but has improved massively and had some outstanding games. Suarez can be unplayable and has scored goals, but he has had games where he couldn't hit the side of a barn from an inch away! Other than those two, no one has really done enough on a regular basis, for me.}

Juan Mata until very recently

If I was picking someone other than a Liverpool player then it would be Bale as every goal he scores seems to be a screamer. It would not be Rvp. I think Michu should be given more recognition for what he has done this season than Rvp.

The Irish Rover

Spot on about Michu

I'd say michu purely because of the fact they've lifted some silverware as a result.

Suarez should be our player obviously but michu has been phenomenal in a team of lesser named players where as Luis has Gerrard etc to work with.

Fester

28 Feb 2013 19:55:07
Which youth team player does everyone think will be the next to break into the first team squad.

Ibe/teixeira/dunn maybe even rossiter.
our young players have the potential to do great things.

I'd say Jordan Ibe

28 Feb 2013 22:36:40
Definately texieria he was outstanding the other day.

28 Feb 2013 22:42:14
How about Sama, he looked nice in preseason. And, more importanly he is a bloody German, you know reliable and all that. Did'nt think so. ;)

My view on the youth is that Teixeira, McLaughlin and Adorjan are probably the most ready for first team football. Coady too, though he has had his debut in fairness. Sama, Ibe and maybe Brad Smith are not too far behind those guys. Really excited to see how some of the U18 lads progress in the U21s next year- Dunn, Lussey, Trickett-Smith and Lloyd Jones in particular are very impressive.

DP

28 Feb 2013 19:50:54
How good does Jordan ibe look. I belive he'll be a better player than sterling. Carlos teixeria also looks like a great prospect, who will flourish in and around the first team.

Why must you compare ibe to sterling? I find it dis-respectfull. Last season it was sterling better than downing an so forth.

Teixeira absolutely destroyed our u21's last year when playing for Sporting in the next gun cup, made us look like amateurs. Him, Suso, and Sterling were all players I highly rated, I think he'll be joining the latter two next season in the first team squad.

28 Feb 2013 19:05:26
Every top player wants glory, not all of them are glory hunters. Some actually still play for the team, the fans, and the football.

Look, Suarez will most likely leave if we can't build around him and deliver a winning team. Gerrard has said he would expect as much. I wouldn't blame him for doing so. But, not yet.

Suarez has, himself, said that he believes in the project here, is enjoying the football and sees the potential for what it is on the verge of becoming. He's also said, that qualifying for a CL place will have no effect on him staying or leaving. He has out and out said that he will stay even if we don't qualify this year.

This year.

Common sense tells me that this is a guy who will give it at least one more season.

Reality of the doom and gloom mongers on here tells me that no-one wants to hear any of that, but simply want to give credence to the worst case scenario, call that hearsay fact, and bitch about it.

Boggles the mind that there can be several stories that come out (with actual quotes from the player saying he will stay) and no-one wants to talk about it. In fact, the whole topic goes dead for a while.

Then, first article of lazy journo that pops up and says "a source" confirmed that they think maybe it might be somewhat of an outside possibility that Suarez may, sometime in the future, think about if he is ready to leave LFC.

This, of course, produces endless threads of discussion because it seems 'fans' only want to believe the unsubstantiated bad news.

Sad.

Very well put, it's in Suarez to be a fighter, he's a give it a go type of guy!

Oh so that's why he was in talks with juventus in the summer? Because he wanted to stay and give the good fight?

I don't remember Suarez ever being in talks with Juventus, but I know they held and still hold a strong interest according to Ed002. Besides, he'd not be allowed to talk to Juve unless we had accepted an offer for him, which we didn't, therefore this means he's been tapped up.

Just because juventus were given permission to talk with him doesn't mean he wanted to leave else why is he still here?

I'm optimistic about the situation personally and I'll start worrying when the next window opens and a bid is made, until then I'll continue to watch in amazement.

Fester

28 Feb 2013 14:26:28
Ed001

If you could bring 1 person back to Liverpool who has previously been associated with us, be it a past manager, player, owner etc who would it be?

Apples '96' {Ed001's Note - Sir Bob Paisley, the greatest manager of all time, without a doubt in my mind.}

Kvarme

Lord Bob Paisely (if Fergie is 'sir' then Lord Bob)
Great manager, great person.

Well said ED001! Imagine Ed If Sir Bob had of been in charge for as long as Ferguson! How many more title's and European Cup's would we have won? A true LFC legend!

Voronin

Ed001,

Can I ask you how old are you? You seem to be one of the true REDS with a lot of knowledge of the club, fans and history.

So truly and appropriately you chose the right man to be at the club, as he was one of the most under appreciated guys at LFC. We talk about God Shankly, and King Kenny a lot, but very few people mention the genius of Paisley. Only a man who has seen his stewardship at LFC in real time (I mean followed the club in 80s) or read too much in detail about LFC could have come up with his name. I assume you are of the former category. If yes, could you give me some more info on Paisley, as I really love the guy through reading about him in books and old articles but can never know beyond that.

mgz {Ed001's Note - 38 mate.}

Voronin had really great hair, I agree bring him back. ha.

ri red

I cried when Bob retired. I think I was 12. What did I know.

01 Mar 2013 12:16:11
If I could bring back anybody who has been associated with the club, It'd be the 96 who never came home.

The fans are the club. That event was the greatest loss in our history. It's no coincidence it coincided with our change in fortunes on the pitch. That kind of Disaster can destroy a man. Dalglish, Rush etc. they were never the same men after that.

YNWA! (Adam)

There's a great post on 'Sir/Lord Bob', over on the Liverpool Questions page. It was posted by Chris in Tamworth on 24th January 2013.

Defintely worth a read.

28 Feb 2013 13:32:09
Hi eds and fellow reds

I have a question regarding a past player and I'm thinking that Ed 1 might be best placed to answer it. The player in question is Craig Johnson. To begin back in the eighties tv coverage in Australia on English football was mostly MOTD highlights and the FA cup shown live so I never really got to see enough games to find out what kind of player he was.
He obviously played in a fantastic side and earned a place in the starting eleven, but I was kind of hoping that you could give me a little bit more info regarding him.

Thanks for the great site eds and to everyone keep the faith we are building towards something special {Ed001's Note - I loved him when he played for us, have a lot of respect for him taking the decision to give up footie to look after his sister too. While doing so, he came up with the idea that led to the Predator boot. He spent a lot of time raising funds after the Hillsborough disaster out in Australia. He did receive many offers to return to playing football, but rejected them as he refused to play for anyone but Liverpool, after, in his own words, falling in love with the club. I believe he is a photographer now, though he did come up with at least 2 other inventions, that I know of, the Traxion sole for football boots and a way for hotels to monitor which items are removed from their minibars. He did end up homeless for a while, due to a failed business project, I think it was a football school for inner city kids.}

He had a great never say die attitude and was quite tenacious for a wide player, his only slight negative was he was sometimes accused of not getting his head up.
He was really well liked though and as Ed001 said total respect as regards his Sister and Hillsborough.

The lad never stopped running! He would always give 110%!

Aye, they were all great back in the day ed. I remember a commentator calling Johnston a headless chicken. We could do with a few of those Craig Johnston headless chickens today. Great times.

The Irish Rover

Remember the blanket?

Redpath

He was interviewed on the liverpool fc website last year. really interesting interview and well worth a look, he talks about starting out in football, being told he never make it, and his cup final memories, and some things that happened away from the camera in the tunnels. check it out if you can.
cheers
tilwud

He was a goodun and very nice guy was going to go to chelsea once but only to help his sister who was ill he called his daughter chelsea out of respect for help they gave him but he loves Liverpool fc and had a get desire to do the right thing for us and life

28 Feb 2013 18:44:20
Eds and Reds,
Where is Coutinho more likely to play for Liverpool? Attacking Midfield or Inside-Left Forward?
I believe knowing that decides a position for one of our summer targets.
If Coutinho's an attacking midfielder then we could look for a Stevan Jovetic kind of player.
If Coutinho's a inside forward then we could look for a Christian Eriksen kind of player.

28 Feb 2013 18:31:25
We are currently scouting Jordan Lukaku. From what I have seen of him he has some potential.

Somebodys been playing FIFA again :)

28 Feb 2013 18:27:35
A close business contact of mine is based in the North-East and seems to be in the know about the goings on in Newcastle - reckons there's a little bit of an uproar going on because there's rumours that Liverpool are looking to sign Ben Arfa - And he's keen on the move! Not sure how true but he was right about Carroll to Liv & to West Ham!

28 Feb 2013 18:20:13
Ed not Liverpool related but I just wondered if you knew where the current bayern boss Jupp Heynckes is going once the summer comes around?
Cheers {Ed019's Note - Isn't he retiring at the end of the season?}

Nothings clear about the retire of Heynckes. Rumours has it that he will replace Jens Keller in Schalke 04.
Gurra

28 Feb 2013 18:05:53
Bored of all this suarez talk now. Is it because we didn't have a game last weekend? People needed something else to moan about? Just drop it.
I believe categorically from watching being Liverpool, how he acts when scoring, and his interviews, he will not be leaving this summer. Yes I agree he would want CL football, who wouldn't? But he's had his best season yet, and I think we will have him 1 more year. Ask me the question In 12 months time and we are in the same position, then I'd imagine him to be leaving.
We will get 1 more year out of him. Fact.
Also big shout out to Rafa, go on lad, setting out home truths just like he did bout ferguson. I say fair play.

You mean like he did about Ferguson and made us implode in the league? If he had kept his mouth shut we would have won it.

I'm not being funny but we have been out of the CL for years an closer to mid tale than 4th.

If a player at our club wanted CL i'm not sure of a single sign we are getting any closer now or in the near future with the squad we have.

Owners aren't going to suddenly start buying quality or players with experience so were going nowhere fast for a few years yet, more pain if anything.

So what is the point in them waiting?

28 Feb 2013 20:09:30
Nope we wouldn't have won it because Gerrard and torres were injured between them at that time they had scored 50-60 goals and don't forget we just lost 2 games whole season we just didn't have any player to come in and score consistantly & take us over the line!

Nonsense second poster. Talking at a press conference doesn't lose you the league. League games are lost on the pitch, not by a manager speaking his mind.

The Irish Rover

28 Feb 2013 20:58:04
we lost the league because we sold robbie keane in jan than torres got injured and we had no cover.

Not going to blame the rant for us not winning the league with Rafa but it was just after his rant that cost us the league. For me there was too many bad decisions with team selection ( tinkering ) resting Alonso and playing Lucas on a regular basis and also taking key players off to rest them with 10 minutes to go in games. I was at the majority of the games home and away and the fans couldn't believe some of the decisions Rafa was making. We only drew with W Ham and Hull at home in December then conceded late equalisers to Everton and Wigan in Jan after taking Torres and gerrard off to rest them? imo poor decisions that cost us dearly

We lost the league due to result away to stoke we did not have kean on the bench we lost man u went to stoke berba on the bench a few minutes to go he goes on scores man u win

28 Feb 2013 18:05:27
Even though Liverpool won't be getting champions league football this season, I think it's silly for people to post that certain teams are bigger than Liverpool fc! Where are your facts to back this up? Everton? Moyes has been there for over 10 years and still not won anything, plus they ain't won a trophy since 1995. Arsenal? Wenger is a great manager but they aren't the force they once were, when was there last trophy? exactly. Spurs? Have the potential to be a good team with a young manager who I personally rate very highly, I predict some good battles with them over the coming years!. as for us? We are a team in transition with a young squad, a young up and coming manager with new tactics and a new formation for us, we have owners who have a plan which will take time to achieve! Great things take time to build and I'm fully behind Liverpool, Brenden Rodgers and FSG! let's see where we finish in the league and build on it next season!

Ack17

01 Mar 2013 11:52:40
that has to be the best post I've read all week fair play to u mate.

28 Feb 2013 17:14:06
Come in Agent Rafa, your mission is now complete!

Not complete, he can still cause much more damage from now till may

28 Feb 2013 14:35:05
Hello Eds,
with Valencia looking like they might miss out on CL and the financial situation in Spain could Banega be an option for summer?
Banega, Ben Arfa, De vrij and another CB (preferably Ogbonna) coupled with Suarez and Reina staying would be a dream summer. {Ed052's Note - There is no interest in him I know of.}

28 Feb 2013 16:30:11
Hi Eds just got a couple of questions I hope you can answer. Number 1 do you think any of our first team starters will leave this summer and if so who do you think is most likely to go and number 2 how much do you roughly think will will have to spend on transfers without including the money we get for any players we sell. Last question I have heard a lot off rumors going around about Sanchez of Barca and christian Erickson for ajax. have we any chance of either of these two coming in or will they only move to a team in the champions league. Thank you for taking the time to read this and thank you for the work you put in much appreciated :). Sorry one more thing if west ham buy Carroll how much including the loan fee they paid this season will we get for him again thank you. {Ed002's Note - All of these have been done to death already. Please try the search function.}

28 Feb 2013 15:48:34
Recent post states that Liverpool are the biggest club in the world - WHAT! Have I missed something. We used to be a big club.

Define a big club? Is Champions league the only criteria? If so then I agree with you Liverpool are no longer a big club

Not Competing in the champions league for a few seasons doesn't make u a small club we have one of the biggest fan bases in the entire workd and are one of the most succesful and famous clubs in the world that's what makes a big club not finishing 4th lmao

So if Tranmere ever got to and won the premiership, would they be the biggest club in the world? I don't think so mate. Liverpool are a massive club mate and always will be.

28 Feb 2013 13:53:59
ed how strange.
Two years back. people said. we wanna build a team around suarez.
and now. we want the highest price for him.

how are we going to succeed?

harry scousser
ynwa

28 Feb 2013 17:56:35
Would you rather take a low price? Almost nobody WANTS him to leave, rather think he has better options!

28 Feb 2013 15:23:14
A recent post states that Arsenal are bigger than Liverpool - its true they are. We used to be a big club but are now lagging behind and are sinking fast.

Even Everton, Spurs and even Newcastle are bigger clubs than us at this present moment.

Liverpool are not even the biggest club in Liverpool at this present time - fact, the table never lies.

This is a poor post, we are growing as a club and the potential for next season, if we keep our main players, is very welcoming. Things are bright and the future looks like we can get back to being contenders for the league.

FowlerGod.

Why what's so good about Arsenal? Constantly letting there fans down and an embarrassment to England in Europe. DBol

How can they be bigger? Smaller cabinet, smaller fan base, never won a CL, their best players leave, won nothing in 8 years

Stay on your own page

The problem with many fans, is their memory is no better than a goldfish. Obviously no one can doubt that we are in a 'dip' right now, but the worst appears to be behind us. We have some stability and this summers dealings will be crucial to where we will end up over the next few seasons - as much the players that we sell as the ones that we buy. My point is that whilst the club has been in upheaval and at its lowest point in quite some time, we have still won more trophies than Arsenal (and that is not to put down Arsenal - no matter which way you look at it, they ARE a massive club). We have competed at the same level as the best teams about, albeit inconsistently, and have a fair chance at finishing in the top 6 - and that is our worst! Any one who tries to say that we are a mid table club is either clueless or winding you up. We are Liverpool Football Club. At our worst we are better than most, and at our best we are unbeatable.

Next you'll be claiming were smaller than city and Chelsea.

Liverpool Football Club is built on tradition, History and Prestige.

With solid foundations a castle will stand for hundreds of years. It will obviously need a renovation and even restoration sometimes but will always stand strong!

Although arsenal have a good foundation it's nothing like Liverpool's. clubs like Chelsea and city are building palaces on fragile foundations. They look impressive and can be maintained at great expenses but will eventually crumble unless the money continues to be pumped in.

Liverpool are actually in a restoration process. Admittedly it could go wrong but can just as easily come out the other side as the great fortress it's been for so long.

Ha ha ha that's a good one, arsenal and Everton are bigger clubs than Liverpool, where's your proof? Arsenals last trophy was 2005, the FA cup, when we were famously winning old big ears in Istanbul, and as for Everton! Wasn't there last trophy 10 years earlier than arsenal in 1995 also the FA cup! Lol

28 Feb 2013 15:08:18
If so called fans are only going to talk about Suarez leaving for the next £ months I would suggest the Eds take a well deserved holiday.
I am getting sick and tired of it. If and a big IF he goes then the club will deal with it then.

Not IF he goes but WHEN he goes.

Thanks for posting this, I was just logging in to say the same. I can't belive how many who just resign to the thought of losing our best player

Mr/Mrs WHEN. seriously, stop with this exact sort of rubbish. Its people like you, trolling this website and our club that ruin it for everybody.

OP - nice post IF I might say.

28 Feb 2013 14:51:23
Sturridge a doubt for the Wigan game? This is BS I've been waiting all week to see Sturridge an Suarez together again.
I don't see us beating them without him. U can see how week we are when he doesn't play!

Sturridge is that sort of player. He plays a few games then misses a few, very injury prone.

Don't see us beating Wigan without Sturridge?! haha.

You are a few sandwiches short of a picnic mate.

28 Feb 2013 14:46:26
So if the story about Suarez was true which The Metro says it is, then why ain't tv and The Guardian and so on not reporting it as that is some serious news for them if Suarez really came out and said that.

All the other stories that have been posted about it use the metro as a reference and well the Metro just makes up rubbish most the time, so who did he say he wanted to speak to B Munich too?

Does anyone has the article or recording of the interview that took place for him to say this?

You do not have to have an interview or article to know that Suarez is leaving. Its common knowledge throughout football that the big players will go a club who offer champions league football and far more money.

Common knowledge or not the point of my most was that the metro have made the story up. He didn't say anything did he? No he didn't

What, just like he did when he signed for us??

28 Feb 2013 13:56:21
Anyone else think that Rafa has excelled himself with yesterdays comments.

I can't see it, but this may be the thing Chelsea needed to shake the whole club up and to concentrate on results and supporting the club instead of back biting. It may keep him at the club?

It does remind me though of Hodgsons tenure at Anfield (I was a Hodgson hater, I have to admit) but I certainly wouldn't hold banners up saying "Roy out" at the game.

Big Bill

Hater?

DaveyBootle

28 Feb 2013 17:52:41
Thinking about Rafa's 'rants' today. Not including the problems he had at Valencia because I don't know enough about them.

1) He ranted at the club's poor structure in 2007 and how it inhibited our ability to pursue players. He was right.

2) He decided that Hicks and Gillet were useless. He was right.

3) He told Hodgson to stop blaming him for the fact that the club was 19th and concentrate on his own job. He was right.

4) He complained that he hadn't been allowed sign players at Inter when he was promised he could. He was also right about that.

5) He's called the Chelsea fans on concentrating too much on the manager and not supporting the team. He's also right about this. I appreciate that some of our fans haven't covered themselves in glory over the last two seasons when it comes to managers (lest Ed002 remind me), but a) that's not right either, and b) I'm fairly sure we've never held up cute little laminated placards demanding a manager be sacked at his first match.

So he wasn't really talking out of his arse on any of them, was he? We WERE run badly when he complained about it. Our owners WERE charlatans when he fought with them. Hodgson WAS making excuses. Inter didn't let him sign anyone. And Chelsea fans, very publically and loudly, didn't give him even one game simply because he was Rafa Benitez. Now we never did that to a manager, not even Hodgson.

He'd have had a much easier life in management without going off on any of these 'rants', but he felt strongly enough about it. You sure as hell can't accuse the guy of lacking conviction.

28 Feb 2013 13:24:06
Hi Eds,

if Suarez leaves, what do you think the British Media with all their spare time?

Turn on Sturridge?

They'll just have to choose another Liverpool player to victimise spread hate about.

They have found their scape goat to cover for suarez mate he goes by the name of rafa he is an ex red which fullfills all the gutter press dreams he spoke the truth about a london club he previous told it as it was about a manchester manager which was true so the rest of LFC players and managers are safe for the near future get your bullet proof vest on rafa

28 Feb 2013 12:54:35
I saw somebody post something similar to me yesterday and suggest giving Suarez the captaincy, but I don't think we should do it just to convince him to stay. we should do it because he's earned it!

Next season, Carragher will be gone.

There are two types of leader in this world. Those who lead by example (Gerrard, Xavi etc) and those who lead vocally (Carragher, Terry etc).

Now the thing that makes Suarez unique, is that he is both! You can see him demanding things of his team mates, just like Carragher does, but at the same time, he will grab the team by the scruff of the neck and drive us on, just like Gerrard.

I agree with a post that suggested he take Carraghers position as Vice captain next season. Then, the year after he can push on a take the armband from Stevie.

For years now we've been worrying about replacing Gerrard. We've already done it. Suarez isn't the same player, but that is why the team should be built around him, just like our team for the last decade had been built around Gerrard.

As for people suggesting Suarez will leave. I assure you he won't. He grew up a fan, is living the dream, loving the city, and being worshipped by the supporters. You can see the love in him.

YNWA! (Adam)

‘You can see the love in him’ - quick get me a bucket! Money talks and when the big boys come along offering silly wages and champions league football he will be gone.

One reason for not giving Suarez the captaincy is the way he is always shouting at his team mates, even youngsters like Suso and Sterling when they misplace a pass or take a shot.
Cheers

You learn more from your mistakes than your successes.

The big mistakes are obvious to everyone, the person who makes the error included. However, if you make a fairly harmless mistake but one that if you'd done it right would've benefited the team, you need to be told about it or you'll never learn.

If you're allowed to make silly easy mistakes and no-one ever points it out to you, how do you learn. You don't, in fact the mistakes become the norm.

And if you can't take being told you've made mistake then you'll never amount to anything.

A great man once said, "I've failed over and over and over again in my life and that is why I succeed. "

There's only one person in a Liverpool shirt who I believe truly deserves the captaincy once gerrard retires and that's lucas!
That lad went through the mill with fans calling for his head when he first arrived- he didn't complain.
He has been played out of his preferred position every single game-he didn't complain.
Every game he gives 100 percent, he does as he's asked, he never argues or answers back with the referees, he is always respectful, he shows bravery in his tackles and is one of the most commuted players we have right now. Lucas for the next captain he's earned it.

If Suarez stays in the summer I'm 110% sure we will be back in the champions league the following year.

28 Feb 2013 12:20:36
Jus watching 2005 champs league final on espn classic oh how I wish we could roll bk the years what a game sitting here with my boy (5) and he jus said is that why were the best fans in the world but I think we will be in the promise land again under buck jus believe YNWA JON96

28 Feb 2013 14:20:21
why would that make us the best fans in the world, tbh that claim is utter garbage, have you been to anfield lately, its a morgue and the away fans are the same, couple that with the crap people write on here. we aren't even the best fans in england and don't know where this statement stemmed from. some european fans are amazing and I hope one day lazy moaning english fans can be like that.

^^^Above poster needs to take their meds.
Cheer up for funks sake.

Phooey.

28 Feb 2013 11:51:28
Ed's,

Since Dalglish's departure, would you happen to know if any other clubs have approched him?

His name never seems to get mentioned that's all.

Apples '96' {Ed001's Note - no, he is not interested in working in club management elsewhere. He only came back for Liverpool, not because he wanted to be a manager again.}

I heard his name being muted fort the Scotland job but I think it was just paper talk at the time.

28 Feb 2013 10:52:44
Werner has said this season has been a failure. Is the writing on the wall for Brendan Rodgers.

Explain where he said this and in what context. don't just post something for a reaction.

I doubt it. I think BR has shown promise and is getting better. The writing should be on the wall for Ayre. Horrible decision maker who showed on "Being Liverpool" that he has no clue what he's doing.

When did Werner ever say that? he wouldn't just come out and say something like that. Stop writing rubbish and if you do atleast have something in hand to prove what you are saying.

Why do you hate Rodgers so much? What happens when you force him out of the club? Another year of transition. Is that what you want? I don't think any Liverpool fan wants that, perhaps you aren't a Liverpool fan at all

28 Feb 2013 19:54:56
you can see the team are growing and rodgers is growing with them give the guy a break he's doing a good job we are getting strength in depth.

28 Feb 2013 10:17:16
this is the first time I have posted. I have to say the treatment of rafa benitez is close to a witch hunt by s--
also if bergkamp is getting a statue where is dalglishs?
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Mate we don't give statues to players, they are 35-45 players who have won 6-8 league titles 3 champions league trophys 4-5 carling cups 4-5 FA cups 3-4 super cups 6-8 fa charity shields etc, we can't give everyone statue instead we just give statues to manager, you can't compare us to arsenal who are a small club, they have even given henry statue who have only won 2-3 league titles.

We can only complain that why Bob paisley haven't got statue which is a big shock to me {Ed001's Note - Dalglish deserves one for all he did after Hillsborough, no one deserves it for simply playing a game or managing a team playing a game. What Dalglish did following that tragedy, well that truly does deserve special recognition and a reminder for those fools that continue to insult the great man.}

28 Feb 2013 10:57:24
Ed1 mate fans who insult KD are young or they don't know anything about the great man at the sametime some eds which you know have made KD as villain here, people and some eds forget KD was working under director of football who was brought to negotiate deals which massively failed and all thise blame by some eds was put on KD shoulders.

In short KD has won more trophys then arsen wenger, he is one of the biggest figure in Liverpool fc but was treated harshly by owners who know nothing about footy or our History, calling him till America only to be sacked that's how the Great man was treated.

People forget what KD has done for Liverpool fc or what he means to Liverpool fc or what Liverpool means to him, the man will give his last blood that's how he loves Liverpool, people who criticise him please just find some information of Great man and what he went through Hillsborough and what he has done for Liverpool fc. {Ed001's Note - there is a difference between criticising him and abusing him. He did make mistakes second time around, but he is only human, which is what makes his efforts following Hillsborough all the greater. I never wanted him brought back, because the modern day fan simply doesn't deserve him. He was never going to be given the time to sort out the massive problems we have, not with the knee jerks ready to pounce on every mistake and use it to vilify him. I just hope Rodgers gets given time, and Dalglish is recognised as the great man he was and is.}

Kenny deserves not just a statue but a special place in the hearts of all lfc supporters for his work as a player, manager and his display of humanity during turbulent times at LFC.

Sometimes some can forget just how special Kenny is to LFC there will never be another like him, we should celebrate him.

Long live the King.

Island Nation

Hear Hear Edd01 you are spot on in regards to The King.

Personally I think a Dalglish statue is long over due.

SMc

Arsenal a small club? That says it all about your close minded attitude. Dalglish deserves a statue for being our greatest ever player, as simple as that. Not only did he win league titles as a player but won them as a manager, show some respect. {Ed001's Note - I didn't even spot he said that or I would have pulled him up on that as well! Arsenal, like them or not, are one of the biggest clubs in the world.}

Rafa hasn't exactly done himself any favours with his latest little "rant" has he? Why doesn't he learn just to keep his mouth shut?

Completely agree with Ed001 on the subject of The King. In my opinion Kenny deserves a statue and a knighthood.

28 Feb 2013 11:51:37
All my agrees are going to what Ed said for this post, not the actual post.

28 Feb 2013 12:28:31
Ed1 mate sry to say how many champions league has arsenal won comparing arsenal with Liverpool is just crazy!

Liverpool fc is bigger then arsenal and always will be.

28 Feb 2013 12:40:30
domihiho Arsenal are a small club compare to Liverpool. Liverpool are 5 times champions league winner where arsenal haven't even won single. That's nothing to do with atitude that's fact mate. Shankly said no club is bigger then Liverpool fc in your small world even shankly had attitude haha

I'll add my name to those who believe Kenny should receive a knighthood and a statue. Great manager, amazing player and a top-order humanitarian

I believe that Dalglish should have gates erected in his honour, a la shankly and paisley- the 'dalglish gates'

Rafa was right

Dalglish should have a statue and knighthood.

This obsession with who is the biggest club is ridiculous in my eyes. Liverpool is a huge club, Arsenal and Spurs are too, as are Chelsea, United, City, Barcelona, both Milan Clubs, Real Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund etc, etc. We have a huge fans base, amazing history and tradition, and expectations every year to be there or there abouts, what do we care outside of that?

Andy K

Kenny is and should always be a legend at our club. A statue would be a great tribute to a great man. I will never forget what he did for us as a player, manager & everything through hillsborough. This should never be forgotten by any Liverpool fan and if the younger ones only see last season then they need to be educated.
LIVERLAD

28 Feb 2013 09:46:18
Liverpool rumour bout a week ago was AMBROSE of celtic was been watched by us well I'm no scout but jus watched the celtic v motherwell highlights my god he's shocking I'd rather have a 40yr old carra still on the books AMBROSE is poor in scotland imagine him in the EPL no chance YNWA JON96

He is that bad we will probably pay £10m for him!

28 Feb 2013 05:57:33
Ed
Just a question, when will Rodgers start using a proper left winger than keep on changing it with Downing, Sterling, Assaidi and Henderson.?

TronPress {Ed001's Note - when he decides it is best for the team. Why does it matter? This isn't football manager, very few teams play with proper wingers.}

What do you mean by proper left winger

27 Feb 2013 23:22:06
Ed, do you know what sort of player seyi ojo is? I remember he was bought from MK dons I think about a year ago but I haven't really seen much of him apart from brief highlights but I thought he might be a creative midfielder, but it looks like he's a winger might be wrong though.
Cheers {Ed001's Note - I was told he was an attacking midfielder when we signed him, to be honest I haven't caught a lot of him playing to judge him for myself.}

From what I have seen of him he reminds me of Chelseas Ramirez.

28 Feb 2013 09:26:41
Re Suarez. He has signed a long contract at the beginning of Brendan's reign, showing the faith he had in the Club and the new manager - and look how it has paid off! He is one of the top goal scorers on the planet.
Oh, and another thing - he named his daughter after the stadium. Committed to the cause? In these modern times where you no longer have loyalty, I would say that Suarez is going to buck that trend and remain for as long as we want him. Wait and see, but overall, calm down, calm down.

Contracts are worth nothing these days. Its a way and means of getting more money. He will still be off in the summer (probably Munich) for Champions league football and loads of money.

Contracts are not worth the money they are written on, everyone knows that.

Anfield and Delfina are simply a pleasant coincidence

Contracts aren't written on money, they are printed on paper


RD

28 Feb 2013 09:25:38
A lot of fans including some EDs say Liverpool fans are worst, oh dear Chelsea fans are trending all over the world for their fantastic behaviour towards their manager.

Whenever things don't go their way they blame manager and sack him, time have come every manager has started ignoring abramovich and chelsea after the way scolari or ancelotti or AVB were treated and now Benitez, that's the same reason why Pep Guardiola didn't even think before saying big NO.

Just imagine we Liverpool fans despite being the biggest club and most successful club in england have been finishing midtable for 3-4 years still haven't fallen that low like chesea fans who have won champions league recently and still are in top4.

Anyone saying Liverpool fans are worst mind you the blues are head and Shoulder above us when comes to behaviour because I haven't heard anyone abusing players or manager at Anfield like Stamford bridge! Oh and don't forget Terry is a leader and Lampard his assistant when comes to bullying managers just ask Avb!

It's the ''spoilt class'' of fan, Liverpool had a fair few years of success and triumph over some big teams during Benitez's reign. We had some real talented players and were a force in European football once again.

Now we've fallen on hard times and we aren't in the Champions League and the squad isn't maybe as strong or star studded as it has been, so there is a petulance from certain fans that aren't happy about this. Moaning is easier than looking at the hard work that needs to be done and supporting through the tough times and days when it isn't all our own way.

28 Feb 2013 09:59:30
Good post.
But have a look from the other way.
chelsea, City or UTD. cannot tolerate defete.
We can.
They want to win every match. and win titles year in year out. and no compromise on it.

We do compromise.

Our means compared to Chelsea's and United's are different - we don't compromise, we are just realistic. This process of getting us challenging at the very top won't happen over night - the fans demanding such a thing are the problem.

SMc

28 Feb 2013 12:51:59
Liverpool have spent 160-180M in two years which is more then chelsea, owners have given enough money to get top4 but managers have wasted, the way money has been wasted john w henry will be fool if he continues giving easy money to managers, I can't see rodgers getting money to buy more flops unless we sell some players so he can bring more youngsters.

28 Feb 2013 12:52:15
overnight?
its been 3 years.
and probably another 2 more.

chelsea is also in transition. not at the expense of CL place.

It's different when you're starting from a position of strength. You can spend £50m on 2 world class players. If not, you're having to overhaul the squad with £5m-£10m players. Also, how much did Chelski spend on Torres, Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Lukaku & Luiz all together in the past 2 seasons without re-couping anything back through sales?

Trending all over the world? They have little support overseas

28 Feb 2013 08:39:34
I don't have any problems with players wanting to leave LFC these days.

As much as I would like Suarez and Reina to stay you cannot blame them if they decide to move, it does not look like we will be in any European competitions. A footballers career is short and some want to play at the highest level and quite simply LFC is a mid table side now and could be for a few years yet with the small side and investment we have.

With the money that we get for a high profile player, as long as it is invested in the side and not the owners pockets, would hopefully strengthen us in the long term.

At last, a post with lots and lots of common sense, well done.

28 Feb 2013 10:13:05
Your Post contradict.
You say. we will not be in europeon competition anytime soon.
also, a footballers career span is pretty much short.

and right now almost every footballer on planet would want to play for a top club with title ambitions and Cl glory.

If So. why would someone come to us?

If you invest in players who are young and one for the future (which we already have in our accademy)
we are actually ruining our present.

28 Feb 2013 08:26:35
this season was always going to be a breaking down and building up season. we need to ask ourselves how good we really are?i believe we are good on the day but have that extra missing. look at man u they have 8 defenders 8 midfielders 4 strikers and 3 wingers, they have a fight to get into the team. rafael vidic ferdinand smalling evans jones evra butnner. scoles carrick anderson kawaga cleverly fletcher giggs. rooney v/persie hernandez wellback valencia young nani. johnson skrtl agger kelly enrique carra wisdom lucas gerrard henderson shelvey allen suarez sturridge borini downing coutinho sterling assaidi. we need to keep in mind that wisdom/shelvey/sterling are very young and not ready yet assaidi hardly played borini injured quates proberly not good enough. none of us know if henderson is in br long term plans. we need to buy 2 defenders 2 midfielders and 1 winger and sell the players that hardly play. I watch the youth all the time there is some real talent ibe/sinclair/taxiera/rositter and a few more, none are ready yet although ibe is not far away because he is a very powerfull kid sinclair will follow after him. the trick is to have the team playing well and putting a youngster on when the score allows us. next season we will get top 4 and that will be the start of our comeback

None of there midfielders or defenders are anything special and we more than match them in both departments.
The Major difference between Manutd and not just Liverpool but the rest as well, is as you have said, they have a couple of quality wide men and 4 goalscorers to choose from upfront.
We just need to match them or better them offensively and we'll knock them off their perch.

28 Feb 2013 07:58:45
Ben Arfa, Arda Turan, Xabi Alonso and Stefan De Vrij.

All are realistic signings. Yes, they would be quite expensive but not beyond our means.

We would win the league with these in our team, but yes, I am probably dreaming.

Red Lee

You are dreaming, for a start the Geordies would want at least £20m for Ben Arfa and we do not have that sort of cash.

Ben Arfa isn't worth 20m. We will get him for 35m

28 Feb 2013 10:15:31
its better we dream pretty high.
reality is bittering truth these days.

I do not believe that Liverpool are going to hand a soon to be 32 year old Xabi Alonso a 2 or 3 year contract at £130,000 a week. I don't think it's not realistic, I don't think it's going to happen.

BCDI.

28 Feb 2013 13:55:06
I do not believe that Liverpool are going to hand a soon to be 32 year old Xabi Alonso a 2 or 3 year contract at £130,000 a week. I don't think it's not realistic, I don't think it's going to happen.

BCDI.


Whilst I totally agree that won't happen, no saying he won't take a pay cut of some sort. This gets said too often for my liking, but i'm sure he does love the club. And the fans always idolized him. 70,000 grand a week is hardly a shabby wage, if we were to offer around that!

Ben Arfa woud be a bad investment, (injuries, part time player) Alonso is too old to come back and readjust to the pace of the Premier. Stefan De Vrij, too young, not enough experience: Turan? Would sooner have Mertens (more prolific)

28 Feb 2013 18:03:49
Good point on Ben Arfa kid but I don't think Alonso would need long, top class player who has excelled in the Spain national team.
He could be excellent experience in our not so experienced midfield!

28 Feb 2013 07:56:55

Dirk Kuyt who was sold last summer.
has hit 13 goals and 11 assist with fenerbeche.

Good luck to him.

He was always under estimated.

Some fans here support Henderson's horrible form last summer by playing him out of position.

Kuyt was played out of position whole Liverpool career.

". You can remove Kuyt from the reds. But you can't remove reds from Kuyt. "

True Red

Harry Scousser
YNWA

Agreed. he should have been kept as he would have been needed this season. {Ed001's Note - he wanted to go.}

Kuyt was a proven goal getter in Holland, Rafa for some reason thought he was a winger.

KK didn't rate him and I guess BR didn't either, what bad judges of managers they are as yet again nother ex LFC player proving their true worth away from Anfield

So much for our managers knowing the game.

28 Feb 2013 10:20:29
I just can't hate him.
sometimes when I watch him play. thinks he was born in anfield.
such a passionate guy. who was ready to play anywhere but for our club.
We do have players who demands their position.
Kuyt was an exemption.
played for our club whole 6 years as a righ sided winger.
and played as a striker for holland all over those years.
hatss off to him.
will always remeber his goals. and work rate.
not the most skillfull players. but he tops the chart of being the most loyal servant Liverpool produced.

I can see his kid joining Liverpool Fc.

some players are just meant to play for our club.

Harry Scousser
YNWA

28 Feb 2013 10:22:13
I don't think Rafa thought him as a winger.
rafa played 4-2-3-1. and since torres was his striker. he played kuyt on the right side.
But he believed kuyt so much that he played him almost all games.
and biy he did proved to be a very good player for us.

He only wanted to go because the so called in the know managers didn't rate him or play him. {Ed001's Note - not that he wasn't rated, but that his time had come to move on. His legs were going, he was no longer able to run around for 90 minutes without slowing down. You forget that those manager know a lot more than you and have information available to them that you don't. That information showed them that he was no longer capable of playing with the energy he once had, that he was slowing down and his workrate dipping as a match wore on. Best he moved on while he could still be remembered for what he did. Worst thing you can do is hold on to a player for too long, just because a few of you are like children being asked to give up their favourite teddy! Paisley's greatness was in getting rid of players at the right time, he was ruthless about it. If he was in charge now, he would be hounded out of the club by you lot!}

28 Feb 2013 10:45:53
ed. are you trying to convince us that. we should let suarez go. if we recieve some good offer?

Now ways in Hell.
Luis suarez is a red. and will probably be the best striker Liverpool ever produced.

he is a living tribute to the great No. 7 Kenny daglish. we found another daglish of this generation. {Ed001's Note - what the hell is Suarez to do with this? We are talking about Kuyt and why he had to go, he was past his prime, Suarez is entering his, why would I suggest that was the time to sell him? You are completely missing the point in this obsession you have with a player who is nowhere near the level of Dalglish, nor Fowler, Rush, Hunt and Liddell for that matter. No one was talking about him until you brought him up, obviously worried someone was going to ask you to go to sleep without your favourite teddy.}

28 Feb 2013 11:18:37
Mate suarez is good no doubt but comparing him with Dalglish or rush or fowler is just crazy those players are head and shoulders above suarez.

No modern player including suarez can be compared to our past players he wouldn't even make bench in our past teams that how good players we had when paisley was our manager.

28 Feb 2013 11:21:41
Ed. may be. because I haven't seen daglish or rush play too often. I am pretty young. and so do I like suarez.
I know zidane is irreplacebale. one of the best. and probably ther are many many.
But for me. its gerrard.

And that's the reason. I am so frustuated because I haven't seen Liverpol Lifitng PL.

harry scousser
YNWA

28 Feb 2013 12:58:14
and that's the reason people call us we live in the past. we always highlight our past players. past glories.
I know rush. fowler, daglish are all all time great.
but our club is bigger than all right??

If suarez won't make the bench alonng with thse greats.

look at our squad. who will make it to the bench?

Luis suarez is modern day Liverpool legend.

If he stays for another 3 more years.

Our kids. after 15 years will consider suarez. greater than everyone.

and BTW. torres scored fastest 50 goals for Liverpool than all of your legend. rush, daglish, owen, fowler.
and soon you can see suarez scoring above them too.

harry scousser
ynwa

As much as I like Kuyt his actual ability with a football at his feet is shocking, just shows how far hard work can get you.

I've seen all the great players for Liverpool since 1961.
Suarez has some of the guile and vision of Dalglish, a crisp shot akin to Ian Rush, some of the predatory instincts of Robbie Fowler, he can control a ball as if he was John Barnes. He also has the work ethic and never say die attitude of Kevin Keegan.
When you put all these attributes together? Please believe me, Luis Suarez is some player.
Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley would have loved him.

28 Feb 2013 21:47:55
To Kidmillions.
Excellent reply mate.
You just made my day.
Sometimes I feel Ed is the super controller and super power.
Luis suarez is modern day Liverpool legend.
fact. let's make him stay here. and he will suerly break the record set by torres.

I see little mention of Joe Fagan. he had an eye for a player. Molby anyone? Not forgetting Joe's treble in his first season.

28 Feb 2013 05:27:27
And you know what, those other 4 players regularly take penalties. Suarez is a phenomenon. We should demand more than 60 mil pounds at LEAST if any interestes clubs enquire. We have him on a long contract and don't have to sell either.

I completely agree. He's better than Torres was when he left for 50M. If all the other clubs can demand massive transfer fees for the likes of Cavani Falcao then we should dig our heels in and say if you want him this is what we want. FSG get pushed around far too easy for my liking and the Carroll Downing Henderson fees prove this

If the 40mill euro clause does exist then this again shows the incompetance of our management team, don't you think?

Is it not bad enough we were stuffed by Mcmanaman for 18 mill way back in the day through incompetance.

Surely LFC money to throw away whatever the regime running it.

28 Feb 2013 14:01:04
Thats a really good point, clubs like Udinese manage to keep Cavani year in year out by sticking to their guns and unrealistic prices. I think we should too.

28 Feb 2013 06:07:05
the way I see it tottenham are exceptional not, everton are having a great season- they are, we could still even get in champs league though doubtful, I only hope the owners don't flog luis, but back him up like they have with sturridge, if spurs get in champs then we need to spend or fall further behind which is not to far considering were havin bad season, I believe if we spend another 60m on 3 class players, we will be in the champs league 4 sure, its all good and well buying youngsters which is fine we need class now, and when in champs league buy them them then,

Once bale goes they will go back to being mid table

28 Feb 2013 07:52:26
same as once suaerz goes. we will be?
same as when alonso and torres went. we went to. ?

For us to get 4th matey we need the teams above us to implode which I don't see.

We deserve to be were we end up as far as i'm concerned, you can't be inconsistent as much as we are and expect the impossible.

Stop dreaming and be a realist, 5th or 6th at best this year.

28 Feb 2013 13:01:27
and mext year?. if all the above teams oimprove their squad. ?
opportunity doesn't come every seaosn. every hour.
you need to take it. when it comes.
i don't think. arsenal and chelsea will be this worse next year?

tell me realistically. with our current squad. whom ae we going to replace from top4?
UTD, City, Chelsea, Arsenal or spurs?

Whether you think tottenham are not exceptional makes no difference. All that matters is league position. And one thing never changes when it comes to that, the league table never lies. Clubs finish where they deserve to finish because of points they earned. Liverpool are not good enough to finish 4th and we will not. We have been too inconsistent over the season so far and I cannot see that changing. Grow up and give credit where it's due. If Spurs finish in the top 4 I for one will applaud them for a great achievement.

How you can call tottenham a mid table club is ridiculous, we have finished in the top 4 2/3 seasons. We lost modric last year, what happened. nothing. We buy good players something that Liverpool find hard to manage. It must be hard still living in the past

2/3 seasons wooshy woo you have really arrived!

And where are you sitting this year. not quite arrived yet, Suarez is gone in the summer

28 Feb 2013 05:43:06
Hi Eds, just wondering, aside from Suarez, are there any other Liverpool first team squad members that are of high interest to other clubs?
Thanks. {Ed002's Note - Skrtel and Reina.}

Is that because Liverpool are willing to make them available?

Sorry, but there is no one good enough - fact. Lots of bad buys by Kenny and Brenda.

28 Feb 2013 04:05:31
Suarez:

All I can say is that my head is here now and for many years to come. My dream and desire is to play in the Champions League and achieve big things with Liverpool, because they're the club I wanted to play for, and now that I'm here, I want to stay for a long time. '

He cites the club's tradition and 'amazing fans' as the reason 'we hope that over time, we can take Liverpool back to where they belong'.

He may need some patience for that. 'Just like I waited to play in the Champions League with Ajax and I had that chance, now I hope the same thing happens with Liverpool, ' he says.

And his enthusiasm for the manager, the club, the city and its people seems genuine. His wife and two-year-old daughter, Delfina, are happy here.

Agree: Also people often forget to take into account that the vast majority of a footballers life is spent training.
From what I'm seeing we seem to have a great bunch of lads that really enjoy going into work. (as they put it)
If Luis wasn't really happy in training, he wouldn't be able to produce World Class performances.

28 Feb 2013 03:17:09
this is the first time I have posted. I have to say the treatment of rafa benitez is close to a witch hunt by s--
also if bergkamp is getting a statue where is dalglishs?

He probably deserves one, but your point is invalid, as we are not Arsenal.

Dalglish missed he's chance by destroying Liverpool the second time he was manager.

Dalglish destroyed Liverpool second time round? We're still going aren't we? And we're getting better, so that's hardly being destroyed. I admit, he made a lot of mistakes but that shouldn't lessen what he means to this club, statue or not.
We all make mistakes and you should show more respect or go and watch Chelsea.
Anyway, we had a statue of Carroll didn't we? The only problem was that it used to get a game!
Did anyone see him picking up Caulker at corners on Monday night? The centre half nearly got a hat-trick!
Rigsby.

28 Feb 2013 02:04:04
Any interest in Lirs?

28 Feb 2013 01:57:47
To the person who said suarez doesn't have a better goals to game ratio than all those players you mentioned take a look at this. I posted this a couple months ago so isn't updated but suarez has been even more prolific since so i'm sure it hasn't changed much since

Cavani
100 goals in 215 league games and 13 goals in 45 international caps

Falcao
109 goals in 184 league games and 15 goals in 41 caps

Van persie
119 goals in 265 games and 31 goals in 71 caps

Cristiano ronaldo
211 goals in 334 games and 37 goals in 100 caps

Luis Suarez
126 goals in 222 games and 30 goals in 60 caps

All i'm going to say is thank the heaven we have Suarez his goals to games ratio is better than all the above

Even better than Ronaldo!

Only player to have a better goal rate is Lionel Messi and even then Messi has 31 goals in 75 caps for Argentina so Suarez has a better international record than the best player in the world

Suarez is arguably the 2nd best player in the world and at the very least 3rd best

Check your maths buddy, Ronaldo's is slightly better (using your stats) at a goal every 1. 75 games versus Suarez 1 every 1. 8 ish games.

All the more reason for FSG to invest in 3/4 top players in order to keep Suarez at the club and build on what we already have.

2 wide players, 1 defensive midfielder and 1 defender and we will be challenging for the title again.

Nice work mate

Red Lee

Matt this is only league based not european or cup games and is a couple months out dated when I calculated it and it also includes since the start of their careers not just at madrid in ronaldos case

Matt you get the point mate. No need for criticism when the guy has only done a bit of research for our benefit.

Red Lee

Just for arguments sake, why don't you take the leagues the goals have been scored in, into account. Ronaldo could have 150 extra goals in 3 seasons in Holland. Same with Falcao, RVP and Cavani. But they have played at the top level, far longer than Luis.

You guys are a seriously strange bunch.

Melbourne CFC

Melbourne CFC has a point. Players such as Shevchenko and Kezman suffered in the challenging arena of the EPL. It takes real talent such as Suarez to thrive in the Premier League. For arguments sake, we should probably take age into account too with only Messi out of that list younger than Luis. You can twist the stats how you wish, Melbourne, but you're on this page often enough to realise that Suarez is arguably the EPLs best player at the moment. and is certainly light years ahead of your 50m court jester

Coz visiting this site regularly only shows me Suarez is grossly overrated by LFC fans. This person actually just said there is an argument that Suarez is the second best player on the planet. That is delusion at its finest.

If you read my post I don't say one negative thing about Suarez. I rate the bloke. He is up their with RVP, Silva, Mata, Bale and Wilshere as the best players in the league, but what has he really achieved? League titles? No. European glory? No. Lead his team to CL? No. Once he accomplishes something he can be considered a world beater, because world class players achieve greatness.

People are so quick to throw the world class label around these days its a joke. Slapping £60m valuations on players that don't come close to that amount with logic of well Torres went for x amount so Suarez must be worth y.

Football prices are completely subjective to team requirements, size of clubs pockets, amount of top players out there in same possitions with similar skill sets etc. You guys want to believe Suarez is an 'world class' striker, and that's fine, but truth be told he is one of the most wasteful finishers in the 'top' forward bracket of world football.

Melbourne CFC

Ehh Melbourne mate not seeing your argument here not saying I agree with how highly these people rate Suarez but RVP played in the dutch league and Falcao made a name for himself scoring in the Portuguese league with the best in it. So what's your point?.

Also Suarez is not the second best player in the world guys that's either Ronaldo or Messi depending on who you rank first outside of these two I would Falcao next tbh, it's a similar situation with spurs fans thinking Bale is Ronaldo after a good bit of form very laughable

Load of cack. There are plenty of world class players who have not won titles and glory (hoddle, gazza, le tissier) and there are plenty of average players who have (Mikel, kalou, bosingwa). It's the same argument that suggests Messi isn't great because he hasn't been in a World Cup winning team and its BS. Great TEAMS win titles and cups. By your argument, Torres is a better player at Chelsea than at Liverpool because he won silverware. but we all know that's not even marginally accurate.

Yet he's scored 2 more goals than Robin Van Persie this year.

Djimi Traore? Champions league winner! Great player? So many holes in your arguement Melbourne.

The Irish Rover

Oh yeah how silly of me Coz, you're right Suarez falls into the same category of Gazza and Le Tissier. Get your head out of the clouds mate.

You are taking my argument completely out of context and spinning it anyway you want. There is honestly no point sometimes.

Melbourne CFC

28 Feb 2013 18:12:31
Cue the disagrees but I think Melbourne is correct in his OP. It's easier to score in the Dutch league.
Having said that, comparing a goals to game ratio is pretty much the only way to compare. So it doesn't really nullify the point, more just an observation worth noting.

Again, I think Melbournes right. Prices are totally subjective to a teams needs. Example a player could be worth £20 milllion, if his team are in dire financial straights then you might buy him for £12 million.

On the other hand, if a team like ourselves has a player like Suarez, and no real financial difficultys, you can negotiate a higher price, either to price the move out or recieve a higher fee!

Dangerous ground Kerry Dixon, Dennis wise, Speedie (sadly we bought into) bumstead, Droy, don't dare you come on here rating players with muppets you had per Romans muller

No point in what, Melbourne? No point in you posting on this page? Lock the door on your way out.

28 Feb 2013 00:14:53
Get in Rafa fella, well said. BUT you knew about that Club, you where on a hiding to nothing. Ok you may have thought "shop windows" worst that can happen. But as I said-you knew they were Classless Club. Hence a lot've rival fans disdain for them and their cash given achievements

It was a mistake to go there

I'm sorry but they sounded like the ramblings of a madman.

Rafa was always on a loser at Chelsea. It is one thing that at least can't be hurled at a Liverpool fans face. "Rafa out" posters and chants at his first match in charge and they haven't stopped since. No Liverpool manager has ever received anywhere close to that sort of abuse at Anfield and never will (i hope). Rafa is right, their fans are ruining the teams chances of any success this year. i'm not too sure about him interim manager quote tho. That did sound a bit crazy.

The Irish Rover

Apologies for my "ramblings of a madman" remark
This was based on me reading his "quotes" this morning as reported by tv. As usual they had been selective with what they chose to report and had only selected snippets of his statement.
Upon hearing his statement in full I accept my assumption was incorrect

Chris in Tamworth

Until Rafa learns to stop blameing everyone else for his shortfalls, he will never be employed for any length of time ever again.

Especially at a top club.

They only want Rafa out because he beat them so many times and ruined their hope of collecting the champions league title, he's a good manager and in my opinion better that matteo so they should be grateful but are not as usual.