Liverpool Banter Archive April 28 2016

28 Apr 2016 23:13:10
As ed02 is always saying. fickle fickle fickle. Honestly people on here should be ashamed of themselves. Okay everyone could see that they were there for the taking and yes changes should have been made but as klopp said himself they still have to come to anfield next week. This is the man who has masterminded a win against the best team in the competition in the last round and who has found a way to win nearly all the big games we have played in. you're either with us or you are not. Through thick and thin we should still have faith and support our team and manager. You can't come on here and call klopp a genius then when things don't go our way come on here and slate him. And before everyone starts. i know everyone is allowed an opinion but try having a think about what you're going to post before you come on here and spaff your only happy when we are winning views.

28 Apr 2016 23:52:17
Couldn't agree more, the tie is far from over and they still need to come to Anfield.

29 Apr 2016 00:05:30
So you basically say that this site should be closed until the second game? We played the first leg and people analyse the result. no one here said we have no chance but everyone also know that it is advantage Viareal and that miracles like Dortmund don't happen every day. The decision to not play Sturridge for 90 minutes is indefensible and Klopp himself think so now I am sure. We all hope we can win big next week but there is no guarantee that we can.

28 Apr 2016 23:52:31
What is wrong with most of you guys here, really?

Just sack Klopp then. Huh!

29 Apr 2016 00:14:04
People may need to release Sturridge may not sort Klopp stayle of play. Yes Sturridge is quality but does is his work effect like firminho and Orige. 2rd point is that we not out of the tie we need to attack and score goals. We need to believe people.

29 Apr 2016 00:19:55
The decision not to play Sturridge is not indefensible at all. How do you know how he's performed in training? How do you know what niggles he might have? To suggest you know better than Klopp is the height of arrogance. Are you suggesting he deliberately didn't put our best team out tonight?

29 Apr 2016 00:26:37
Bunch of cry-babies posting tonight. We will smash them at Anfield.
Yes, that's right, there's still another game to go!

29 Apr 2016 00:41:01
I don't think anyone is suggesting we sack Klopp Haizan but just because he's our manager, does not mean that we cannot critique his mistakes, just like any other team would. The banter page would be pretty dull if we can't discuss the games in which we don't play well.

The reality is, we only have ourselves to blame and will have to rely on JK seeing the errors we made and have full faith in him and the players to do what we know they can.

29 Apr 2016 02:54:32
Wow, the petty comments after losing our very first game in the EL are telling of the fickle fans Ed2 has been talking about. Studge should play or Klopp gets sacked. wait, what? Can you people hear yourselves. Put a sock on it, grow a backbone and support the club and the manager. Klopp was a god vs BVB yet because he's lost his first game in the el for us, he's crap or because Studge didn't play? With fans like your lot, who needs mancs?

29 Apr 2016 03:03:36
Yeah maybe I exaggerated, HX Red. I understand the frustations, but I just thought it's a bit too much.

29 Apr 2016 07:57:38
Have to agree with Redmen's 2rd point . & concede that I probably couldn't even order a beer in whatever language he was brought up with.

29 Apr 2016 00:31:30
We can praise the good but can't critics the bad. Its fans like you that take the high horse to jisy make yourself feel better than the rest of us.

Klopp masterminding a win against Dortmund doesn't excuse cocking up the game villareal game.

Doesn't mean we hate him or he's a bad coach.

Tonight was a bad judgement of errors and not too dissimilar to mourinho 2 years ago against athletico playing away first and setting up to just not really attack. I'm sorry but you have to get an away goal, end of.

We can score 2 next week and they only need to nick one and were out.

Taking benteke, saying we don't take passengers before hand, saying everyone's going to get a game, or at least get more than 4 minutes and then doing that. not going for the win after we had exhausted most of there options by the 70 minute.

We win the game against Dortmund by being bold and brave and there was none of that tonight. fsr to. safe far to cautious and scared. But I still like klopp. Still think he will keep his job and am entitled to my opinion. On to the home game next and hopefully wr win

Still a top fan.

28 Apr 2016 22:22:11
I have no idea why Firminio stayed on so long or why Ibe and Benteke came on. WTF was Klopp doing? I'm seriously concerned how slowly he reacts to the game that develops, they were absolutely wide open and we were not trying to punish them. Poor tactics to not try to score when we saw they were not at it. Half time sub was a shocker Ibe should be no where near it, he nearly gave a goal away 10 mins before they scored. I think we are in deep trouble because cwe were complacent. Unhappy ALB.

28 Apr 2016 22:39:39
I do think Klopp was keeping best for anfield Sturidge up front we will. Smash them. That was their best team. So looking forward to the next one.

28 Apr 2016 22:41:05
dont blame any players its down to klopp and klopp only awful tactics and no will to win, i would have hated it if i went to watch that game.

28 Apr 2016 22:39:39
I do think Klopp was keeping best for anfield Sturidge up front we will. Smash them. That was their best team. So looking forward to the next one.

28 Apr 2016 22:41:05
dont blame any players its down to klopp and klopp only awful tactics and no will to win, i would have hated it if i went to watch that game.

28 Apr 2016 22:50:55
Klopp bashing already wow talk about negative. He has seen us through past a strong Dortmund team and also United. He's had to deal with a lot of injuries since the Dortmund game as well as the Sahko situation.

Fair enough they snatched a late goal at the end, but as some posters have said I think we could beat them at Anfield.

28 Apr 2016 23:11:31
Utd fan i guess on here.

28 Apr 2016 23:38:24
Come back from 2-0 down at home to win 5-4 on Agg - your a star; lose to a single goal away from home and you need shooting - fickle and stupid are the only words (printable) I'd mention!

29 Apr 2016 01:32:03
Jesus Christ lads. What kind of fans are blaming klopp for tonight's game. He set us up not to lose, u fortunately it didn't quite go to plan but we are still well in the tie, mbrock99 you are a disgrace. Pls don't post again because u are an embrassment to us all. Silly silly man. In klopp we trust if we go out we go out but I'm sure we will give it a go in second leg and we will see how it goes. Anyone complaining about our approach tonight should remember this is the 4th best team in spain and klopp knows more than us.

29 Apr 2016 02:06:45
If it stayed 0.0 then everyone would be saying it was a good result. If we got the away goal then everyone would be saying it was a great result. They will have to travel to anfield. Coutinho only played first half due to illness and sturridge didn't even feature. We lost 1-0 yes but I'm very confident we can make it to the final especially with a more match fit firmino and coutinho for 90 mins and maybe even benteke and sturridge both starting. As for so called mistakes from klopp. Maybe he did make a mistake with his tactics but mistakes have silver linings. Klopp will learn from his mistakes which will only make him a better manager. He's still young for a manager and I wouldn't want any other manager in the world. We need to get behind the manager and the players in the second leg. Still all to play for. If we get first goal in second leg its advantage us with the crown behind us. Believe and trust in klopp . YNWA.

29 Apr 2016 02:56:08
hoola, the point is if we performed well and still lost, atleast we can say we tried. But playing poor and losing when we could do so much better is what's annoying.

29 Apr 2016 04:47:47
Honestly, their strongest team against our best 11 currently and they snatch (SNATCH) a win at the end if we don't win i will be amazed totally amazed. Studge didn't play i reckon because he has saved him for anfield were he will tear their defence a new one. Not a bad performance tonight shame moreneo was playing right wing when they broke down our left but he will learn in time. COYR.

29 Apr 2016 08:04:47
The point being made is neither Ibe or Benteke have been anywhere near the team so why now in a semi-final. They should not have been used. Firminio gavecthe ball away every time he had it. Klopp did not react to the game situation. They were poor and he let them off. If we go out on away goals will everyone be happy? . because I won't. Just because he has charisma and is a great motivator doesn't make him the best tactician. You can all be optimistic, that's fine but on this game he's not the Messiah he's a very naughty boy ;-)

28 Apr 2016 22:14:22
Fellow reds, looking for some help here

I seem to have mislaid my left back. Looked around where I'd put him and really thought he would be where i told him to be in the final moments of a European semi final but he's just not there.

If you find him, please let me know. Don't let him go anywhere, he's liable to get lost as his sense of direction ain't that good, and please if you see him about to cross the road- don't let him. He has literally no spatial awareness and doesn't look up to see what's going on around him.

Anyway, here's hoping you can help.

28 Apr 2016 22:33:56
Well said. Ibe and Moreno on the left side of our calls for dumb mistakes. They are the two least intelligent footballers we have.

28 Apr 2016 22:33:56
Well said. Ibe and Moreno on the left side of our calls for dumb mistakes. They are the two least intelligent footballers we have.

29 Apr 2016 03:03:16
I agree that Ibe had a stinker and Moreno well, was Moreno, you know, the one we know and love. Sheesh!

28 Apr 2016 22:10:17
Not gunna despite the lineup, if we pressed high firmino is a good choice. But sitting back Sturridge is the better choice.

Never a fan of playing for a 0-0, worst case scenario is what happened. Pressing high, we may have conceded earlier and maybe more, but we should back ourselves to score. Could end up losing 2-1, but the goal is important. Playing for a 0-0, if we got a 0-0 it's not even a good result. Playing for a win, we could have taken that side, they were poor.

Now we have to take them to anfield, and whilst I believe we can, we've given ourselves another mountain to climb. They will park the bus and could quite easily get one on the break, meaning we will need 3.

We love making it difficult don't we!
Can't help thinking we have blown out chance.

28 Apr 2016 22:48:28
There is along way to go in the tie, they are not great away from home, it's all to play for.

29 Apr 2016 02:18:54
I'm confident we can win at anfield and get to the final. Toure impressed. But for me Moreno was at fault for goal and mignolet came off his line far too early. they won't know what's hit them when we play with a higher intensity at anfield with sturridge leading the line as well. We will have to attack them and if we don't progress to the final I'll show my arse in Lewis' in town. Putting all my wages on Liverpool to get to final. I believe in my team! YNWA.

29 Apr 2016 03:07:06
Fencey, Villareal parked the bus at home and that is who they are. They are by no means poor. They may look poor but they are not and Klopp was right not to attack at will co that is what they want so they can counter you which is what they do. At 0-0 nothing would have changed. We would have needed to score goals to win anyway so not much has changed. We get ready for the return leg and give them hell.

28 Apr 2016 22:04:57
Starting Europe without a striker is stupid 99% of the time and tonight was no exception. Without Mamadou Sakho, Emre Can, Jordan Henderson and Divock Origi we will struggle from here on out. Villarreal will park the bus at Anfield but this was the best result in my opinion as it ends Villarreal's bad form against English teams and will give them confidence going into the return leg. As long as we start Daniel Sturridge and he is in scoring form they are there for the taking. Let's be honest we were absolutely shocking tonight. If we do go out next week remember that this is not Jurgen Klopp's team yet and we probably won't qualify for Europe so hopefully we can mount a serious title challenge.

28 Apr 2016 22:09:24
Very shocking display but klopp knows best.

28 Apr 2016 22:17:13
Heads up people.
We'll get the job done at Anfield. Villarreal defence are not good enough to park the bus.
Klopp knows what he's doing and I'm sure he'll field a much more attacking team in the second leg.
I can see us scoring at least 3 or 4 goals at Anfield.

29 Apr 2016 03:10:54
You dint go into a European semi final away from home attacking at will just because the opposition parked the bus. That is madness. Villareal was trying to seek us out and counter us which is their bread and butter. We didn't allow them to do that. The goal of the first away leg is to keep the tie alive for the second leg so calm Scouse and lord.

28 Apr 2016 21:26:46
Certainly need a goal here. I can see Villarreal scoring at Anfield.

28 Apr 2016 22:05:56
Really disappointing. Ibe should not have played this game. Contributed nothing. This boy is over exaggerated. We will be back in Anfield!

28 Apr 2016 22:07:57
Lord tiet get off Ives back this is why he is struggling with confidence.

28 Apr 2016 22:15:28
So should I say he played well when he was useless? Please give me a break. Ibe has to help himself.

28 Apr 2016 19:16:10
Hahaha "given it the bifters " haha Jurgen is a scouser.

28 Apr 2016 18:55:52
Firmino a much better option for us as a number 9.

28 Apr 2016 17:41:05
CONFIRMED: Liverpool will pay £6.5m plus an extra £1.5m dependent on player performance as the tribunal fee, so could rise to £8m.

Don't think that's too bad although for Burnley's sake would have hoped we could have worked it out earlier. Still, they've not done too badly this season.

Roll on next season for our young Danny. Oh Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling.

{Ed002's Note - Unlike most EPL sides, Liverpool is not a club that will look to help out other clubs where money is concerned. They have done worse than this during the season and it is now over.}

28 Apr 2016 18:25:11
Has his injury got history?

{Ed002's Note - It is to a leg which is nearly as old as he is.}

28 Apr 2016 19:28:30
Someone sounds bitter ed002! I for one am glad liverpool didn't pay the amount burnley wanted and stuck to their guns! Considering spurs were willing to pay £12 million i say its a brilliant deal, i'm sure Burnley are quietly happy with the outcome! Ynwa.

{Ed001's Note - you really are stupid if you think that. They asked for less but we ended up paying more and you think he is bitter? This is embarrassing.}

28 Apr 2016 18:49:08
Ed002- What other EPL clubs would do that? Seems like another dig at LFC here.

{Ed002's Note - You might want to check on what Liverpool did to Bolton Wanderers and the kick in the gonads they gave an ex player in Jay Spearing. Perhaps more a case of your ignorance rather than my having a dig at Liverpool?}

28 Apr 2016 18:48:32
Nearly or actually 🙄👍 but seriously is this a reacurring injuryt you?

{Ed002's Note - He has had a cruciate knee ligament injury - it is not recurring.}

28 Apr 2016 17:36:18
8mil for ings. Bargin.

28 Apr 2016 16:33:54
I think we will play a contained pressing game tonight rather than all out press! The yellow Submarines are very slow burners usually who don't go all out attack. I think we could get a really good result tonight especially if Allen gets on the ball!

28 Apr 2016 15:17:27
Have we dound out how much we have to pay for Ings yet?

{Ed002's Note - The decision has now been made and both Burnley & Liverpool will soon be informed of it.}

28 Apr 2016 17:34:08
About time as well, I really don't see the need for this to have taken so long, others clubs will be wary of us in the future as regards to transfer tribunals, thanks for the info ed002.

{Ed002's Note - The clubs were given multiple opportunities to resolve their differences through negotiation but it was not possible. So it dragged more than anyone except Liverpool wanted - and they have ended up being told to pay the figure Burnley were willing to accept under the negotiations, plus of course additional legal fees. This should have been resolved earlier.}

28 Apr 2016 17:38:58
6.5 mil with 1.5 add ons.

28 Apr 2016 17:58:32
Sturridge was 3 + 3,5m £, how ings can be worth 6,5+1,5 and 15% of a transfer fee is insane. I really like Ings though, but that seems weird.

{Ed002's Note - It was nothing whatsoever to do with Sturridge.}

28 Apr 2016 19:30:22
I know it has nothing to do with Sturridge, but its comparable since that was the former highest fee paid set by a tribunal. And all i'm trying to say is that it is a high fee for a player that is out of contract.

28 Apr 2016 14:36:04
Sakho been banned for 30 days. result there lads.

28 Apr 2016 14:41:32
You need to read a bit more carefully.

28 Apr 2016 14:44:01
Not really there investigate.

28 Apr 2016 15:02:04
30 day suspension whilst UEFA investigate further but I am not sure if this 30 days will be taken off any further punishment imposed.

{Ed002's Note - No, and Liverpool would not have dared play him on any case. So it makes no difference.}

28 Apr 2016 16:45:57
my bad, got excited.

28 Apr 2016 15:30:09
It is a provisional ban as the investigation is ongoing. Standard procedure hence, nothing to see here really.

28 Apr 2016 17:34:00
Thanks Ed for clearing that up for me.

28 Apr 2016 14:13:50
Hi eds was there ever any truth in that rumour that we were looking to sign Camacho, I remember reading something about him coming to Melwood but there were no images from what I remember so I thought it to be a nonsense rumour.

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

28 Apr 2016 13:43:14
Sakho suspended for 30 days, I presume this is just an initial ban until the full verdict is given?

{Ed023's Note - Yes}

28 Apr 2016 13:35:19
Woowww 30 days that was a lot less than I was expecting.

{Ed023's Note - The maximum is not 30 days - this 30 day suspension is whilst UEFA investigate the matter.}

28 Apr 2016 13:58:27
Ohhh I wish sky would mention that part instead of just scrolling it across the bottom with no indication that wouldn't be it.

28 Apr 2016 13:18:27
Guys.

What would be the difference in your view to Kolo Toure being accepted at the club after being found to take diet pills (yes at Man city and fined, but we still accepted him as a Liverpool player) to Sakho taking a weight loss pill. When what ever punishment is set and taken by him. Why wouldn't he be accepted by us?

As we did with Toure, another club will take him and reap the benefits.

28 Apr 2016 13:52:57
The difference is Sakho has broken the rules in a Liverpool shirt. So all the news articles and Press around it is associating Liverpool with doping. By releasing him we disassociate ourselves from it and publically slam his actions.

Toure has been punished, and what's in the past is forgotten. Sakho has just done this and it's putting us in the spotlight for negative reasons. We're in a European Semi Final in about 6 hours and yet all anybody is talking about is Sakho cheating. That is the difference!

This is about Sakho and Liverpool. It is pathetic trying to make it about Toure and City or Ferdinand and United.

The club comes first and Sakho has disgraced it with his actions. We are a society that believes in reform hence why Toure is not seen as a cheat anymore. Sakho is not a reformed drug cheat, he is a drug cheat. Until he has served his ban it will remain that way.

28 Apr 2016 13:59:09
Touré was found guilty at another club and had since worked hard and reproven himself as a professional. Sakho has done it while wearing the red shirt of LFC.

28 Apr 2016 14:20:02
Toure embarrassed man city and exposed the club to possible bans etc not Liverpool.
sakho has done the same but to Liverpool not city.

28 Apr 2016 17:20:56
Also worth bearing in mind that Sakho traditionally has been slow to recover form after injuries. If he gets the full 2 years then we're really looking at basically 2.5-3 whole seasons before he's back to pace. At that point he will be 29 and entering the late stages of his career anyway. Will the value to retain him still be there?

28 Apr 2016 11:56:43
Hi eds,

Yarmalenko's agent has put a video on Instagram from inside anfield with #transferwindow in the caption. Of course it doesn't necessarily mean yarmalenko as he manages a few players but is there any interest in yarmalenko or any of the players he manages?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - Think more laterally about a representative of Prostar doing the rounds of clubs looking to see if there is an interest in any of their charges - particularly two players, one out of contract and one not settled elsewhere.}

28 Apr 2016 12:45:23
Thanks for the reply ed, any chance you can elaborate on the players?

{Ed002's Note - These are not players Liverpool has shown any interest in. I am not aware of any discussions with Liverpool at all.}

28 Apr 2016 13:12:17
Any chance of the 2 names who he's doing the rounds for Ed . I've Googled it but not much success.

{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages - nothing whatsoever to do with Liverpool.}

28 Apr 2016 11:06:37
Anyone going to the game tonight, you make sure the entire world hears you. You make sure they all know how it feels to have the justice our fans and our city deserved all along.
I just wish there were scousers in the squad tonight to really show how much the last few days have meant to our club.

28 Apr 2016 09:37:20
Sakho deserves a 2nd chance. He is a like a breath of fresh air around Liverpool. His charity work has been fantastic. He has taken his hard work in Paris and carried on in Liverpool. Everyone makes a mistake and unfortunatly his mistake will cost him a few months of his lifestyle. The noise coming from some supporters saying he should be sacked is unbelievable. We are a family as ths week has certainly proven so let's all concentrate on his good side - for example when we lost 3-2 to Southampton he travlled back with the club and rather than going home he went straight to the hospital to give his shirt and his time to a little girl who hasn't got long left. What else can i say, great guy who has made a mistake. I know i certainly can't throw stones in a glass house.

28 Apr 2016 09:57:22
You have to consider what message it would send to the rest of the squad. i. e. It is ok to have 1 failed drug test. You get a ban and then if we like you we will have you back.

Unfortunately it is not ok to have a failed drug test and if the club has any more soon in the future there will be huge ramifications for the club.
You also have to consider what effect it will have on the club's image. Young families will not want their kids idolising a club with a reputation of having drug cheats and sponsors will not want to be associated with a club that has a liberal attitude to it.

This is not just about Sakho, who I like too, it's about the club going forward and ultimately the board has to make a very tricky judgement call. I would not be surprised to see them let him go.
Also if this was Mignolet or Bogdan or another fringe or less popular player would your reaction be the same i. e. Let's have them back after a ban?

28 Apr 2016 10:01:21
It's too early to say whether he should be sacked or not. We don't know the details and aren't in a position to make that judgement.

28 Apr 2016 10:24:31
He is a lovely bloke. But it's not about sacking him because he made a mistake.

You have to make an example to the other players. We have screwed up with PR issues in the past. In hindsight Suarez should've been booted straight away after the racism incident. Our club is getting a bad name. We have publically supported a racist diving cannibal, Gerrard has revealed we tap up players, Sakho has been caught taking banned substances, Fulham accused us of tapping up Dempsey the other year, we've refused to waive Bolton's payment which has essentially sealed their relegation as Spearing (their captain) couldn't play, Gotze is doing his best to get Klopp in trouble for tapping up, we've messed Burnley around for 12 months regarding Ings' compensation fee, Agger Sterling Reina and plenty other players have left because of management bust ups/ issues, Rodgers made a fool of the club with his comments on Salah, we have a reputation for messing teams around with derogatory bids for players whose prices have been clearly stated etc.

We need to distance ourselves from all of this. We are getting a bad name. The club is going to become an embarrassment if we continue to support players purely because we like them. Sakho stuffed up and now he must pay the price. Charity work or not. Things need to change or other clubs and the media (even more than ever) will turn on us.

28 Apr 2016 10:28:04
I agree to with both all these posts above to a certain extent. Sakho has all the resources in the world available to him, mistakes do happen, but at this level and with the information and care (doctors, club scientists, conditioning coaches etc) this is unacceptable. That said, I doubt he did do it with any intention to gain a playing edge through the use of supplements, but purely to help him shed a few lbs.

As for the idolisation of players and that being a reason to release him, I have to disagree. He took a fat burner, he didn't go on a cocaine fuelled weekend bender. I do however, understand the point you make. But there are far worse things to concern your kids about than fat burners, but a line has to be drawn some where, down to interpretation I guess in terms of the severity.

I don't know the ins and outs of what he took and why it's banned but it seems extreme some of the reaction. Personally, I believe the club should keep him, but ultimately suspend him (or at least his pay! ) for the duration.

28 Apr 2016 10:29:02
To be fair ron it's not seding a message to other players it OK of dealt properly if the club says right we will keep you on but you will not be paid for the time you are suspended and a whopping fine not this one weeks wage bulls**t they won't miss that close to the million bracket and say I want you in everyday (I mean 7 days a week) training if you want to be slimmer we can work on that and get you to what weight you want to be at. yes he made a mistake but haven't we all? No one is perfect we stood by suarez when he took a chunk out of ivanovich or when he allegedly was racist to evra. what the point in having the motto you will never walk alone if we don't stand by it?

{Ed002's Note - That would put Liverpool in breach of contract and open to all sorts of problems.}

28 Apr 2016 10:29:46
Yes we don't know what the mitigating circumstances are and we do not yet know how the doping agencies and FA will choose to act.

What is clear is that no matter who you are and what sport and who you play for, we give a second chance because he is a good bloke and does a bit of charity work.

I hope that Sakho is found to be just naively negligent, but that still does not excuse a banned substance in his body.

28 Apr 2016 10:50:06
Ron agree with some of what you say
However how is this different to Toure when he was banned
Most people won't care in 3 years time and probably will forgive and forget
The club stuck by the runt. So let's see what happens.

28 Apr 2016 10:57:39
I will be most surprised if he survives at the club at all, regardless of a short ban or a long one.

28 Apr 2016 10:21:46
He took a substance which was banned, he knew exactly what he was doing. No one forced him to take anything. It was his concious choice and now will face a ban from the authority. Either you have one law for all the players or not.
I am not impressed by Kolo Toure openly coming out and supporting Sakho for the exact case he got punishment.
Crap if you ask me. Player should shut thier mouth.

28 Apr 2016 11:22:00
I don't understand ed what would be the breach of contract?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot refuse to pay a contracted player and cannot hand out any "whopping" fine.}

28 Apr 2016 11:23:12
Is it different to Kolo?
Well it happened whilst playing for LFC so in terms of the clubs reputation/ sponsors/ future punishments then "yes" it is very different.
As to the actual crime? I don't know, I'm no expert on "fat burners" either. But my layman's knowledge does lead me to believe if you take stimulants - amphetamines, cocaine etc then you are going to "burn fat".

Calling them "fat burners" does not disguise the fact that they are stimulants and there must be a good reason why they are banned substances. They are not banned to stop players looking slim, they are banned because they can enhance performance.

28 Apr 2016 11:26:50
The problem is API that it isn't 3 years time yet. You are right. People forgive and forget. Toure paid the price and as time has gone by people have forgiven him and even forgotten the whole thing.

Sakho however has just done this and it is all over the media dragging the clubs name through the mud. "Liverpool star caught cheating", "Liverpool's Europa league hero doping" etc. Nobody cares about Toure doing it anymore.

It's about the clubs image. I get that it seems harsh, even unfair. But Sakho has made a massive error whilst representing our club and for putting us in the spotlight alone, he needs to go.

28 Apr 2016 11:49:31
It's such a shame ed002. Otherwise we could find him £18 million and refuse to pay him for the rest of his contract - job done 😄.

28 Apr 2016 11:56:01
So Toure got caught doing the same thing. Did anybody disagree when he signed?
Ferdinand got 8 months and had a lasting career with his team after.

{Ed002's Note - It has nothing to do with anybody else. Whatever happens will be labelled some conspiracy against Liverpool no doubt.}

28 Apr 2016 12:14:18
What intrigues me the most is how many people backed Suarez and are jumping all over Sakho's back? The racist, the guy who bites. Who remembers his actions now? All i am saying is someone as comendable as Sakho with all the hours he invests in his charity work surely deserves another chance. I can see how much the club and city mean to him and LFC need people like him.

28 Apr 2016 12:16:13
Toure was at Man City
Rio was never found with a banned substance in his system.

I disagree with Rio's treatment, his case is different. For me it's about the club, not the individual and I think that's how the board will see it. You have to protect the club as a member of the board.

28 Apr 2016 12:23:49
Is there a difference in punishment between controlled substances and non controlled? For example cocaine and ephedrine (fat burner) . I'm not saying one is worst than the other or clutching at straws just wondering if their is a drug classification when it comes to sport as it is with the law.

{Ed001's Note - it really depends. The distinction is more between performance enhancing and recreational.}

28 Apr 2016 12:33:58
Quick question, do they not build such things into contracts? Understand that it may come across as disrespectful to players or there may be a legal reasons, however, I don't think it wouldn't be reasonable to include clauses for things like this?

Sorry for my ignorance but with the money involved with signings/ contracts there would be something to protect the clubs investment if they wished to go down that route? Mean if I got a job and the included a clause about drug use or felony charges I'd see why.

{Ed002's Note - Contract would never get signed if you attempted to address all corner cases like this in them. There are contractual clauses that if broken will put one party or the other in breach - hence the sacking of Mutu by Chelsea. A company is unable to bring "felony charges".}

28 Apr 2016 13:08:13
Biged, not everyone has forgotten what Suarez did, I certainly haven't but it is now irrelevant to LFC because the club did get rid of him. However, don't forget that most of the clubs staff including King Kenny lost their jobs because of the way it was handled.
The message from the owners is they will not tolerate weak management.

Toure is absolutely STUPID to say anything publically about this matter and you can be sure that will be considered when the club decides his future. He will be lucky to get an offer IMO.

Sakho for all his performances, charity work, love for the city etc etc has, through his own stupidity, put the future of the club at risk. The club could have been kicked out of tonight's match and the tournament with a subsequent European ban. The board have to protect the club.

28 Apr 2016 13:10:52
I genuinely think it depends on a lot of ifs and buts however, Ron how would you feel if sakho went in front of his team mates and put his hands up and said I genuinely made a stupid mistake and am going to pay the price and I apologize. This a long with a lengthy ban that will come does it send the wrong message to players? They still get tested regularly and randomly, before and after this incident they know the stipulations of a failed test.
From ed002s comments on fines I would also assume that we can't sack him without huge compensation and we probably won't be able to sell him before the ban ends. So my point essentially is what extra motivation or message does this send to the players about drugs?
Either way they'll get paid and if anyone had the genuine attitude of intentionally taking performance enhancements for that purpose then I don't think they would be at Liverpool long but if reports are to believed that is a genuine mistake and that is accepted by the club and teammates then he deals with the penalty and both him and the club can hopefully learn from the mistake and maybe take more precautions and give better guidance to the players on the matter in the future.

28 Apr 2016 13:11:03
Toure was at Man City Ron. We gave him a chance after he was caught taking diet pills.
I can't recall anybody saying no to him signing on.

Ferdinand walked away from a drug test. If I did that at my work place, it's deemed a fail. I'm put on a black list and cannot work in that environment again. Ferdinand stayed and carried on with his career.

One thing I do find strange is that Sakho has said nothing in all of this so far?

28 Apr 2016 12:49:40
Eds, just a hypothetical could Sakho appeal to the Court of arbitration for sport if he could show it was accidental?

I remember Asafa Powell did something similar and had a bad reduced from 18 to 6 months so perhaps there is a precedent. Or would this just cause more problems than it could solve?

{Ed002's Note - It isn't going to happen.}

28 Apr 2016 13:56:31
ShaneK : I'm no lawyer or agent but I know a small amount about employment law. In my opinion a player who is caught by UEFA taking a banned substance can easily be deemed as gross misconduct and therefore their contract can be terminated immediately without compensation.

{Ed002's Note - He can be sacked as he would be in breach of contract.}

28 Apr 2016 14:21:13
I agree with just about everything Ron has said. I would also like to add that I am extremely annoyed that because of someone's either incompetence, naivety, and complete lack of professionalism here this last week has been all about how a Liverpool player has failed a drug test as opposed to how we are about to play a semi final leg of Europa. Really takes the shine off it.

28 Apr 2016 16:59:40
Thanks eds! Still find it mad a performance enhancement drug clause (sure that's the techinal term) isn't in an athletes contract.

{Ed002's Note - The players are forbidden from takeing all banned substances hence the ability of the club to take action for breach of contract.}

28 Apr 2016 16:24:54
All parameters of the case has to be reviewed including the player`s own history which is more than exemplary in leadership, community service and integrity etc, all of which Sahko possesses. If the review shows that he genuinely took the meds in good faith and due diligence and did not mean to cheat but still gets banned as is the law, do you kick him out as a knee jerk reaction just to send a message?

To who? Just to show some kind of zero tolerance? That's not smart. Knee jerk reactions compound the problem, not solve it. We already have shown that we don`t tolerate such things because he's been left out of the team till further notice. Please, stop passing judgment based on innuendo and hypotheticals. I will wait for all the facts to come out before giving my opinion and I suggest you and many, do the same.

28 Apr 2016 19:18:06
Agree Redohio. Need to really see it with all the facts mate!

28 Apr 2016 06:24:49
Hey gang,

So the big game is tonight.

Would you rather we played

1. Lovren and Lucas
2. Lovren and Toure
3. Lovren and Skrtel
Or
4. Skrtel and Toure (haa)

I'd prefer Lovren and Lucas because Lucas reads the game better.

Isn't it funny how 6 months ago Lovren was a shambles but now is a certain starter?

It's the Klopp effect, I tell you . haha.

28 Apr 2016 06:41:00
Maybe Lovren and Toure. Lucas is a possibility but Klopp may use him in the mid. Maybe he'll play Lucas CB and go with Milner and Allen in the mid?

{Ed001's Note - we need Lucas in midfield or they will just walk through the huge gaps left by the headless chickens.}

28 Apr 2016 06:50:04
It is the Klopp effect. He used to be a centre back and he also helped Hummels convert from a DM to a centre back. It's really quite simple what Klopp has done to Lovren. He's basically told him to ignore everything he got told under the previous regime and focus on being a defender. By that I mean forget about trying to be Messi everytime you get the ball, just keep it simple. Also forget about splitting the centre backs.
On the question I suspect he'll go for Skrtel and Lovren due to their experience.
I think it's going to be a tight 1-2 victory tonight but of course I've got my usual 3-4 bet on. £5 @225/ 1 😎.

28 Apr 2016 08:09:20
I'd like us to use Lovren and Toure and work how Spurs have been doing with Lucas dropping back to a 3rd CB as our FB's bomb up.

28 Apr 2016 08:13:25
if its experience ron, wouldn't it be kolo? title winning experience, mind you.

28 Apr 2016 09:15:00
I think Lovren needs to start as RCB. I think a lot of his problems at the beggining of the year came from him playing with Skertel, who was always the RCB which moved Lovren to LCB. He always looked so uncomfortable clearing the balls on his left foot, espcially if it was bouncing.

28 Apr 2016 10:15:41
I think we'll play Lucas in a midfield three, I think it would be reckless to play two away from home when we're missing Can and Hendo. Toure and Lovren should play tonight but I can see Skrtel playing on Sunday, I don't know if Toure has two games a week in him.

28 Apr 2016 10:30:23
Wish I had your money Ron.

28 Apr 2016 10:34:12
Andrew he had his best season of his career at left centre back alongside Fonte at Southampton.

He is two footed. He looked poor there because he was sandwiched between Moreno and Skrtel with Mignolet behind him. They could make Jerome Boateng look bad.

28 Apr 2016 06:59:24
Lovren and Toure and Lucas to play in the middle. It's a shame we couldn't register Stewart for the EL.

28 Apr 2016 12:45:31
Think it's testament to lovrens turnaround that every viable option includes him in it. So pleased he's producing the form we bought him for.

28 Apr 2016 16:26:39
Skrtel is a walking disaster and should be nowhere near the bench. Toure and Lovren all day, everyday.

27 Apr 2016 21:47:33
Evening Eds,

Instagram has an update from Yarmolenko's agent with a pic taken at Melwood ( of nothing specific ) with the following hashtags: #Meeting #TransferWindow #FcLiverpool

Are you aware of interest in Yarmolenko or indeed any other player (s) Yarmolenko's agent represents?

Apologies for the long winded question, grafeful for any reply.

All the Best
A-P.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect someone is teasing you.}

28 Apr 2016 06:30:35
I suspect you are right.

Thanks for the reply

Have a good day all

A-P.