Liverpool Banter Archive April 28 2015

28 Apr 2015 21:26:38
i would just like to say something that is worrying me maybe the eds can help, with the way we are playing and not many good players at the club how will we be able to attract top players without champions league as well as not playing good football and seeing a manager who does not know his 1st team players or the fact that the player we want will get played out of position

with BR being so stubborn with his tactics and players and playing players in positions they don't know that well and that means we are weak in those positions because the players are unformillier with that positione i would rather have a winger playing on the wing most manager would do the same, but not BR as i think he is trying to prove a point to the owners and the fans and the media why else would he act so irrational any way i will be glad when the season is over so we can start the healing of the club process and i don't know if BR is the right manager to do that only next season will show us,

on another note, the way we bought a lot of player last season, i think it was needed because last season we all moaned that the squad was not big enough and because of this we had to buy quantity not quality i remember watching a game and saying to my mate look at the state of the bench, at least now we have a stronger squad in terms of how many players we have now, so maybe in the next transfer window we will buy a few quality players let hope anyway

28 Apr 2015 21:48:44
Just re your last point, our bench for the semi final of the FA cup against Villa was Jones, Johnson, Toure, Lambert, Manquillo,Borni and Baloteli. If I would be Wigan manager for next season (legue 1 mind you) I don't think I would be too excited to see any of those on my bench.

28 Apr 2015 21:51:31
'not many good players'

I think we have plenty of good players and one bad manager.

28 Apr 2015 22:19:19
Fanobip
why don't you include lucas and sturridge i know they are injured but come on are you trying to say you prefer last seasons bench , i was just pointing out (you must have missed my point ) we never had a big enough squad last season this season we do they might not all be world class but we do have the numbers now and as i said this summers window we should get quality players in meaning the players we have now are not the quality players we need or want, again you must have missed that point , oh well let's just hope the club gets all the players you want , for me if lambert and ballo would have got more games i think they would have got more goals but in BRs wisdom he never played the strikers instead he chose to try and convert a winger into a striker completely ignoring the fact he had 3 other strikers at his disposal , lambert done pretty well last season , we know ballo can score goals when he can be bothered and borini did score at sunderland so they can score when they get games have to agree with you on johnson and toure though but they are liverpool players and i support them

28 Apr 2015 22:44:42
Think we do have a lot of players who don't contribute enough to the team but so have a lot of very good players and a fair amount of good players. Problem is a lot of them don't play their best position or don't have the right players around them to get work with.

Can very good player but midfield is his best position - plays most of the time at full back or CB which he can play but limits him.

Coutinho - brilliant player but a number 10 and doesn't seem to have a lot of movement around him or players to link with so ends up dropping deeper and deeper, looking for someone to pass to then having to shot from distance.

Sterling - good player but more effective centrally and again behind the strikers, played striker and winger (also can't cross and has no one to aim at anyways!)

Henderson - again great CM with loads of energy and improving, spends most the season doing to players jobs as no one centrally (par lucas or if played can) has the ability to compete) or being pushed to RB

Markovic - talented AM, mainly plays RB

Lallana again good player who can play wide put hasn't played much and still a player not sure we needed.

Moreno - looks a talented attacking fullback but plays Wing back in a defensively weak team.

Lucas very good player - struggled with injury

Sakho, lovren & toure are good CB who either struggled with injury or confidence barely played together and have no protection from midfield and GK still invites pressure.

Studge great but injuries worry me (but be curious to know if we do enough to monitor his fitness and work with protecting him) but still should have another striker and not put all our chips on him.

Also have ibe flanno ojo who can impact more next season and Tbf Lambert wisdom ilori can play a good role of not vital. So provided we can raise funds correctly think their is room to fix the team but also seems like a lot of players were bought who are good but maybe not necessary or not utilised correctly - saying that a buy loads of players I like in FiFA because I like them and occassionally play my keper up top but again not paid a fortune to do it or waste millions along the way, but did win the FA cup

28 Apr 2015 22:52:14
What happened to Baloteli this season is one of those football mysteries that no one can answer. I am not willing to blame this one on BR sorry. He got many many chances, from the bench and in the starting 11. He wasn't injured, didn't have any major issues off the pitch. Liked by the fans. As if he was replaced by a 40 years old guy.

Re having the numbers. I am sure last year we had someon to sit on the bench. The fact that some of the names on the bench earned more money or had more history wasn't relevant if when coming on couldn't score or couldn't defendt for the life of them. Thsi is not qauntity, this is like air on the bench.

28 Apr 2015 23:55:23
fanobip

at our pre-season in america John W Henry said himself the team needed more depth so that is why we bought so many , i don't get what your trying to point out , we needed more players and bought them is that so hard to get , yes we would have all liked better quality players but paying 25 mil for lallana was too much , also are you trying to say ballo is not a good player , we all know how ggood he can be except you , coming off the bench is not the same as having a lot of games on the run , do you know the difference about being fir and being match fit , if your not playing every game your not match fit its that simple when your match fit you are a yard quicker in your head , but saying that who knows what goes through Ballos head , but i did not want us to buy him and i did not think he would be any good for us , but everyone knows he has got it in him to be a top player otherwise all the top clubs he has been at would not have bought him , a lot of fans thought he would come good i never . but like the other players we bought he added to the squad we now have a bigger and better in depth squad , again i will tell you the owner said we needed a bigger squad and i agreed with him at the time , to be honest we got some good young players who people in the know say they have great potential like markovic , Cam and even moreno , if you don't agree with me that's your right , but now i don't really care what your opinion is I've tried to inform you about the squad size and its obvious your not happy with that because of the quality of the players , lallana and sturridge and lambert lovren all had good seasons last season this season they have not its life get over it

29 Apr 2015 00:48:46
I'll say it happily- Balotell is not a very good player. If it wasn't for all the off-pitch nonsense, he would have faded away into obscurity before now, as it is I still suspect that by the time he's 30ish the only thing he'll be known for is a trivia answer to a question around 'why always me'.

Last season he took over 150 shots in Serie A, 95 of which were from outside the box. Want to hazard a guess as to how many of the 95 went in from open play?

His biggest season ever was 14 goals last year for Milan. Of those 14, 7 were penalties and free kicks, meaning he scored as many open play goals for Milan last year as Sterling has for us this year. And again, that was his best season in his career. I really struggle to see what about him people think is actually 'good'.

As for the previous question, the answer is 2. 2 goals from open play from 95 shots outside the box. Awful, awful stuff, that.

29 Apr 2015 04:24:38
3 OR 4 quality players would have added depth by pushing some of the players from last year onto the bench ( ie gerrard) we have loads of potential coming through the academy and we sent last years 'potential' buys out on loan ( aspas, alberto etc) instead of giving them a second season having settled down. we then spent 115 mil on yet more potential??? the squad is/ was in need of top quality players not top quality potential.

28 Apr 2015 19:17:22
Got to win tonight. no excuses!!
Hull City are taking the piss with their prices and need to be taught a lesson.
No LFC fans and an away win, otherwise our season is over!
Empty away end and a win !!
Come on you mighty reds !!
ANFIELDPETE

28 Apr 2015 20:32:11
the season is already over anfieldpete , hull are fighting to stay in the prem and we are playing like the season is over ( down to BR not motivating the players ) so i can only see one out come and that is a win for hull, it makes me feel sick because us fans keep going to the last wistle our season does not end in may because we then look for signings and wait that long wait to see who we get while the players go on holiday , we have too many under performing players in the 1st team , don't get me wrong i want us to play well and win , i would even settle for a decent performance shooting at the keeper is not a good thing so if we have plent of shots but don't score then to me that's not a good performance its a lazy one , oh well i'm looking forward to the transfer window and if we get james milner then for me its a step in the right direction , the club is sick and needs healing , i don't know the cure its easy to say buy this player or replace the manager but it won't fix it

28 Apr 2015 20:40:48
Our season were over after the home 0:0 with them in October. Everything that happened since December was a bit of an optical illusion. I just hope Ian Ayre record this box to box run of Glen Johnson, add it to his bizzar diving goal he scored earlier this season and send these too only minutes this season he was not absolutly awful to all the clubs in Europe, hoping they didn't watch any other play from Johnson this year. As things stand we will be so lucky if anyone take him on loan. If anyone pay any fee for him they must be blind.

28 Apr 2015 18:34:49
IF LFC were to find suitors for Borini Balotelli and Lambert, who is, in your opinion the most likely fourth striker come the beginning of next season, assuming Ings signs?

Sturridge
Origi
Ings?
?????

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - And Borini, and what about Yesil?}

28 Apr 2015 18:44:55
That is a terrible strike force. Sturridge very likely to miss 70% of any season. We need goal scorers

28 Apr 2015 19:09:28
Yesil doesn't look like he will make the cut borini will also leave ed

{Ed002's Note - I would expect Borini to leave - Yesil we don't know, but if he stays he will probably be the fourth striker.}

28 Apr 2015 20:16:49
Can see us going £25 million in on Charlie Austin, he has had 1 good prem season after all.

Ahmed Musa, Son Heung Min, Alexandre Lacazette or Andriy Yarmolenko would be nice

28 Apr 2015 22:19:33
Dbol 70% of any season?? He's had a bad year, last season 29 aps in leagues out of 38, Jan to end of season before 14 aps out of 17, 10 goals, at least look at the stats before talkin rubbish,

28 Apr 2015 18:04:27
Thinking about a post a few days back suggesting £30m + Lambert for Benteke (vastly over-rating Benteke imho, but anyway).

It made me think of other sentimental signings that didn't work out how the fairy tales should.

Prime example was the return of God a few years back that fizzled.

The flip side is the return of Rush in the late-80s that worked tremedoously well, so much so that he stayed for another 8 years a scored another 139 goals in 329 appearances!

Any other examples that people can think of? They don't have to be Liverpool related only, but need to involve a player coming to/returning to 'their spiritual home'

28 Apr 2015 18:26:38
Drogba is a major example.

28 Apr 2015 18:59:18
Torres seems happy back at athletico

29 Apr 2015 09:22:02
And quaresma is killing it at Porto!

28 Apr 2015 16:59:32
Think Rodgers will be here next season. Nothing is showing me he'll be gone. In fact it's the opposite. Missing out on fourth is clear now, he could have gone after the WBA game which confirmed it. He didn't. Could have sacked him after cup semi loss, we were poor and last hope of a trophy. He didn't.
This leads me to think, if it does cost the reported £10m, he can bring on youngsters to profit and maintain a 5th/6th place for Euro football then that's enough for FSG. They're tipped on here by ed002 to sell up 2017. They will have increased Anfield, have a squad of young players worth something due to Rodgers coaching (Coutinho, Ibe, Can, Moreno etc) no compensation costs and can sell on for profit.

Can anyone else really see FSG doing any different? EPL and our situation was much bigger and more costly then expected, so selling on with better confirmed revenue and regular top 6 side of young players with high transfer values. They do not need to sack Rodgers, they are not here long term. So many chances to have got rid before not taken, think that speaks volumes.

{Ed002's Note - 2017 will see a number of teams possibly sold - it will be a good point for the Liverpool owners to bail out if the club is not making decent money by then - I posted about this earlier - a search on 2017 should find it.}

28 Apr 2015 17:37:06
This is a complete guess on my part and I claim no insight into anything, but my guess is if Rodgers is still here next season, it's largely due to what you have mentioned. Sacking him will be costly, bringing in a new man equally costly and as has been mentioned repeatedly we're not in the best position due to FFP and now likely have no CL money next year either. I'd be happy to be wrong about as for me a new manager would be worth giving up another £10M player we probably don't need anyway, but I could see it coming down simple to economics, unfortunately.

{Ed002's Note - It won't be anything to do with cost.}

28 Apr 2015 17:43:17
Barnesinho

Do you understand the loss in revenue this very season is going to cause? LFC owe FSG loads of money in interest free loans. They are not going to make their money back by selling the likes of Coutinho, Ibe, Can and Moreno for a profit.

If LFC do not finish top 4 next season then FSG will struggle to find a sponsor for naming rights to fund the rest of the stadium expansion and clear the debt LFC owe FSG.

If FSG stick with Rodgers another season and we fail to make top 4 next season again, the consequences financially for FSG will be like a 16lb hammer blow on the head. Sacking him and replacing him will cost them less than keeping him and not finsihing top 4 next season as all Rodgers has done is cost this club massive amounts of money without sufficient return. FSG cannot afford another season like this. Those who cannot see it, wake up.

28 Apr 2015 17:45:33
No point in replacing him with 4 games to go, who would replace him?! If you think these owners are happy with 5th you're mistaken; they want to win titles and be challenging for the Champions League.

28 Apr 2015 18:08:12
Essex, wouldn't you think the chance for a new manager to get to know the players in a handful of competitive games would be worth it? Especially if that manager is out of contract elsewhere i.e. Klopp?

Maybe Klopp was asked and didn't want it.

Maybe he can't join another team until the season is over as part of his agreement with Dortmund.

Maybe, if the owners are going to make managerial changes, it is more financially prudent for them to do so only if top 4 (for example) is mathematically impossible, like United did with Moyes last year.

Who knows

28 Apr 2015 18:21:40
Max is right. He will NEVER learn hence, keeping him here will ONLY deepen the whole we will be in on and off the field. We have to cut our losses and cut bait because 5th every season after 100m spent will NOT do it and these guys will sack him first before he`s allowed to mess w/ their investments. See Red Sox sackings for confirmation. The owners did not indicate anything for months after KK screwed up and gotsacked so don`t read too much into the silence from FSG till now on the BR issue. Remember tho, none has come out publicly to support him for the past 6 weeks and even after the Wembley Debacle and to me, that speaks volumes.

28 Apr 2015 19:01:32
If that's the case Ed002 then I would expect he'll be sacked. I can't really think of any other reason to persist with the "project" as it's pretty clearly not worked.

28 Apr 2015 16:34:32
Well how about we see how many of BR's catchphrase's we can guess he will say after tonights game?

I will start it off with " I think we was absolutely fantastic tonight"

28 Apr 2015 17:12:40
Il throw in "he was execeptional "

28 Apr 2015 17:13:05
Yep, the tenacity mentality and pressing in our game was superb, haha. Check out darren farley if you haven't already

28 Apr 2015 17:20:46
I think the group showed wonderful character tonight

28 Apr 2015 17:42:36
I look forward to his post-match interviews, as I have some banter with my Dad as to how many seconds it takes before Brendan says the word 'Outstanding' - it cheers me up no end!

28 Apr 2015 17:50:41
Do you think Rafa left "character" scored into the manager's desk when he left? Seems that BR has adopted it, albeit I still think it sounds better in a Spanish twang than a Northern Irish one!

28 Apr 2015 17:50:56
"I thought we were outstanding tonight, just needed that wee bit of luck to get the goal"

Zzzzzzz

28 Apr 2015 17:54:48
there were a lot of positives to take from the game

28 Apr 2015 17:55:57
The whole squad were courageous tonight.

Per aspera ad astra, baby :-)

28 Apr 2015 18:03:19
"There is still nobody who could do a better job than me"

28 Apr 2015 18:15:01
I thought that "Tactically we were superb tonight" 😚

28 Apr 2015 18:54:38
We never really got going in the game and we lacked intensity in our play. If we had Luis Suarez we'd have scored 6 or 7. I could see when the second goal went in Steve Bruce head swelled up even bigger!! I wish we still had Suarez. I was a tactical genius when Luis Suarez carried me and the whole team to second place last season.

28 Apr 2015 19:54:03
hahahaaaaa so many phrases am psm

28 Apr 2015 19:56:30
We lacked a QUAILTY striker in the team 2nite infact all season but I don't care I'm getting my tan and veneers done in the morning il look outstanding and I repeat nobody better then me!!!!! SPOOFER

28 Apr 2015 15:44:27
Away from all the Rodgers talk, there is a game tonight which is a must win. I believe that the supporters organisations are boycotting tonight's game because of tickets prices, my question is will this make any difference as Liverpool have sold out there allocation anyway?

{Ed002's Note - It was the "Spirit of Shankly" folk that called on a boycott.}

28 Apr 2015 16:11:00
The tickets have sold out because we have still brought tickets for the match. I personally brought a child ticket and ripped it up.

We only brought the tickets so that we get the credit for the game.

{Ed002's Note - I think donating it to a child to allow him to watch Liverpool would have been better.}

28 Apr 2015 16:53:20
They want £30 and £40 million pound players playing for us but don't want to pay the going rate to watch them. Where do they think the money for these players will come from

28 Apr 2015 17:28:00
I always found it interesting that people are protesting (I guess FSG?) about high ticket prices. Would it not make more sense to stand outside Melwood and ask the players if perhaps they could drive a more sensible car than a Ferrari and live in more sensible housing than Teletubby mansions? The majority of your money goes to the players, not to the club and certainly not to FSG.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure FSG don't own Hull.}

28 Apr 2015 17:55:35
I have some sympathy with that view Red 64; liverpool needs all the income it can get to compete. At the end of the day Liverpool's biggest expense is player wages so only a Europe-wide salary cap will stop the increasing expense of watching football.

{Ed002's Note - There won't be any Europe-wide salary cap Essex.}

28 Apr 2015 18:27:47
I agree that ticket prices are ridiculously high however don't feel they should be reduced, obviously Liverpool need all the money they can get. however people argue that German teams like Dortmund cost around 150 for the season because what's an extra couple million to top league team.
and that is true what will 3 million get Liverpool?
But if Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea etc Reduce their prices to 15 pound a game then where does that leave our local clubs?
Personally my local clubs Doncaster Rovers it costs 23 pound for an adult ticket, who's going to pay that to watch that sh*te when we can see Liverpool for cheaper, and hopefully a better match with better players.
So teams like Doncaster, Tranmere, Port Vale would have to drastically reduce their ticket prices to have any chance of selling tickets to someone who isn't a die hard fan of the club.
This reduction in cost May mean nothing to Dortmund or Liverpool, but i'm sure it will mean a lot to the lower league teams, who I would imagine rely a lot on that ticket income.

{Ed002's Note - This protest is not about Liverpool - it is about the charges Hull are making to away fans for the game tonight.}

28 Apr 2015 19:07:43
Last year £36. for this fixture this year £48!

Stoke fans payed something like £18 for their away fixture at hull this year. Go figure?

Well done lads I hope you get a lot of support. YNWA

I will miss hearing you cheering the team on though.

28 Apr 2015 14:42:08
Ive been reading a few posts including a recent turn out from Macca,
Im sorry but why are so many people putting so much spin on any of this nonsense? you can state all you like about the money being A, B or C when it comes to net spend, future money recouped etc etc etc but the fact is its been spent and in the most part wasted with no return, why are so many people accepting of 2nd best? I don't get it, you don't go out and buy a brand new car and say well actually I've only spent this because down the line its still worth this, the ONLY figure that matters to me is what has been spent and who its been spent on, and that figure is astronomical, as for the players being behind the manager, if they are then they aren't showing it, and if it takes this long to get behind a system that they apparently have no problem with then surely they aren't worth the money they are paid.
The constant ridiculous comments in the media, the ever changing team sheet, the brashness now to say we can win the league next year with no evidence whatsoever that its possible, the constant comments on how we are where we should be at and the bordering on crazy transfers we seem to keep bringing into the club when we are supposed to harbour some sort of Champions league dream is just too much, the man has had his go and no amount of DOF or changing of the transfer guard will alter this fact,
Its high time we started to take a good long hard look at ourselves as we are most definitely falling behind, I know a few will come back with well we came second last year, yes we did before you say it, second with no Europe to bother us and with a fair few other clubs underachieving or in transition too all added to the fact we had one of the worlds top 6 players at our club and a one off season of Sturridge fit, but instead of fixing what was clearly broken or replacing the missing pieces that were leaving the engine we go out and buy enough scrap for 5 engines in the hope that we'll find a formula one car, sorry for the analogy but its the truth, until we start aiming for better and that includes management and coaching staff then we'll be at this with each other for the next few seasons,
I love my club, i'd personally like to see it competing again not turning out against the Real Madrids of this world hoping we can avoid a drubbing and waiting to see if any potential youth players might have the cahoonas to make the step up,
The future is where its at, the future, winning things is about now

28 Apr 2015 15:22:35
I can understand where your coming from and your frustrations are shared I'm sure. But I do agree we are were we belong, you said people shouldn't agree with that statement but went on say we are definitely falling behind. Because we are hence being were we belong. no the transfers weren't great but have you noticed the player power these days, the money talking more than it ever did before. Gone is the pull to put on the red shirt, how many mishaps have we suffered owner wise, manager wise, and results wise. All that together plus the fact no one wants to live in liverpool, not my feelings just what's always written I the media. Player wise we are no where near the too 4 do we have players that can rival, hazard, fabregas, di Maria, mata, silva, aguero, Sanchez, ozil. Don't forget how close we were to willian and chelsea weighed in with the Ukrainian contacts and money and he was gone salah the same all to stop us competing and being able to win again Sanchez was so close but again money and destination played it's part. Our history means nothing In today's footballing system but the media hold us to glory days constantly routing us for greatness asking when we will be back. Were we are right now the finishes before the 2nd place int 4 previous year before that were what someone like 7th,8th,6th,7th that we're we are that's were we are coming from. I do not want a rebuild right now it all too costly especially with Europa on the horizon I do not want to be I that competition it's sets teams back at least 2 years in progress everytime an English team enters it. I'm going to get behind Rodgers one more season. And then if it's still the same time for a change but we can't be too hasty to dismiss Rodger especially with that dodgy transfer committee.

{Ed002's Note - Willian was a player Liverpool were interested in, but they did not offer enough money to buy him. As for Salah, the club's valuation of the player was miles away from what Basal would consider acceptable - hence there being no negotiation.}

28 Apr 2015 17:06:43
So taking into account of what ED2 said. How is that Rogers fault? Seems some on here want to blame him when it is nothing to do with him, but all to do with the money men

{Ed002's Note - In terms of Salah the matter was made worse by Brendan Rodgers saying that they were not sure if the player was good enough for England and that is why they would not offer anything like a reasonable amount of money on such a high-risk purchase. The player and his club both, quite rightly, found this offensive.}

28 Apr 2015 22:12:56
Ed002 - Didn't Salah himself prior express that he would only consider offers from Manchester United, Chelsea or Real Madrid ?

Anyway he is with another team, so no point discussing him as a potential.

Transfers for next season needs to be looked at AND secured as early as possible, whoever they are. I agree with Macca about giving the youngsters a chance. They are considered to be good enough (hopefully) otherwise what are they doing on our reserve/youth teams. Having a loan signing blocking development opportunities in the first team is a downward spiral.

yes we tried (or hoped) that we could continue from last season, with the help of some talented signings & loans, but that didn't work out for a number of reasons. Not just Rogers. But players don't turn bad that fast, so I'm a firm believer that we are not that far away from glory

28 Apr 2015 13:59:10
Just want to say how well eds do. Try to ignore abuse them sort of fans give us bad name.

28 Apr 2015 13:20:14
Hi Eds
It's been a frustrating season for all involved with LFC, I go along with ED02 in that sticking with Rogers will only keep us in mediocrity. His lack of experience showed this season along with all the other baggage he has. I do hope this review the owners are doing is accomplished and we have a new management setup with a clear model to follow ie Chelsea, arsenal. I hope someone of the likes of Mr Hogan who has seen lfc this season put some weight towards the changes lfc need to ring. Ed02 looks like some changes have already been made but do you see more significant changes made in the summer ie committee, new medical team, senior management.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know. If Rodgers stays and next season starts as the last two, moving him on mid season very much limits the choice in terms of who will be available. I don't think another years in transition will suit anyone.}

28 Apr 2015 14:28:01
Which is why we have to cut bait right now because IMO, BR has lost all credibility (except in the eyes of the media who he keeps giving comedy material on a daily basis) and he will NEVER learn hence, keeping him is only prolonging the inevitable and firing him midseason will only put us in a worse bind. I say , do it now and take your chances on someone you really want to work under the structure you have created INSTEAD of wallowing in medioccrity. Besides, I thought the owners did not fire him in Nov/Dec to avoid that very scenario? Is that right, Ed?

28 Apr 2015 14:33:39
Redohio
Very true mate. I believe the owners were going to sack him Around December time/wanted to but we're persuaded not to.

28 Apr 2015 12:58:22
Sorry Eds, i wasnt trying to create an issue with other posters.

The point i was trying to make about transfers was, yes money has been wasted but the players still have a value.

So it is easy to say wasted 200 million, but if we recieve a 100 million for those players we have wasted a 100, which is still a lot.If you look over the last 25 years how much has been wasted, then it appears there are massive problems with how the club do there business not just Rogers.

Let me just say this, if the club signed the players that the current and previous managers had wanted who where achievable at the time, we would be in a totally different position now.

Also how on earth when you hold all the cards did Sanchez end up at Arsenal, was that Rogers fault?

My views on Rogers are just my personal opinion.

It would cost the club an awful lot of money to sack him and his backroom staff and i don't believe they are willing to do that at the moment.

It would be only worth doing in my opinion if they could get a world class manager and i don't believe they can without offering a substantial warchest.

The Milner info is what i have been told, please don't play me off against the eds as they do an unbelievable job on here, i personally would prefer to put pins in my eyes knowing the abuse they get.

One final point that was raised was people critising his tactics. Well i can tell you most of the players are fully behind him and his training methods and his tactics.

Cheers

Macca

{Ed002's Note - Thanks Macca. The issue is with the money is that even if £100M could be recouped thyen the players would need replacing. The real surplus is in the loanees (Coates, Aspas, Alberto, Ilori) - and they can be sold for a decent amount with no impact. Balotelli is an issue as you say but there will be little problem moving him on as long as the club are realistic about the money.}

28 Apr 2015 13:31:45
Fair play Macca for making your point clearer.Thanks again for all your information it's brilliant having you back.
Barry inLouth

28 Apr 2015 14:38:12
Thanks for the info, Macca. If my post made it look like I was pitting you vs the Eds, it was NOT my intention. I was just looking for some clarification as to what you posted vs what the Ed`s have been saying. That`s all. All I would howevere say is that based on you appraisal of things, the owners are in a real pickle and IMO, need to choose the lesser of two evils as in fire BR and his staff and lose a shed of moneyvs keep them and face the potential of the club moving further and losing money as well. I hate to be them right now

28 Apr 2015 12:22:28
Ed001/02 if a DoF or equivalent was to be brought in who are likely/available candidates?

{Ed002's Note - I really can't help.}

28 Apr 2015 11:41:20
Does anybody really think rodgers can turn this around after 3 years I mean tactically he has showed nothing even under last years great run the team picked itself unless he can create another luis Suarez and take Sturridge to Lourdes we are just going to spout hot air till eventually he goes as the cream always rises to the top the garbage will float to the bottom

28 Apr 2015 10:59:39
People on here have got to realise that however much we appreciate Maccas posts that they are not always correct and do not happen for whatever reason it is.

The Eds give us a great insight into the club every day (which is my escape from the kids and work). So just because Macca says something different in which say 1 in 3 do happen. This does not make the eds wrong.

I think a few like a good argument online and know Ed002 will not hold back if provoked.

Who knows what the future holds but keep up the good work eds

28 Apr 2015 11:46:25
I don't know who Macca is, but his word is not gospel.

He last post is poor.

Milner ? Keep Rodgers ?

Poor.

28 Apr 2015 14:59:36
"I don't know who Macca is, but his word is not gospel"

Wouldn't it be funny if he was the second coming.

You'd have to eat your words then ;-)

28 Apr 2015 09:42:48
I personally cannot understand anyone wanting to give Rodgers more time, least of all the owners. The only relatively logical argument to keep him seems to be based on the fact that there doesn't seem to be anyone better to manage the club at present.
Where has he succeeded so far? Certainly not with trophies, transfers, budgets, tactics, public relations or youth integration & development. He doesn't even have a long history of managerial experience and success to suggest he is worth giving an extra year.
The only achievement in his 3 year reign has been 6-7 months of exciting, attacking football but that soon dropped off when he resorted back to his preferred method of death-by-(endless)passing.
Sorry to sound so negative but at what point do you decide he doesn't have the credentials to bring the club success? Another 6 months? A year? How about right now while another manager has time to work with the team before next season. We undoubtably have a very talented squad on paper, bar a couple of positions, and massive future potential with our youth but I don't see anything that suggests Brendan Rodgers is the man to realise this teams ability - especially by consistently playing them outside their preferred positions.
I don't have the answer to who should be managing the side but I also don't see the point in persisting with a guy who has had every opportunity under the sun to get it right in the past 3 years and has, quite frankly, failed miserably.

28 Apr 2015 11:41:40
Rodgers makes a grand song and dance about signing a player then rejects them.

Borini being one of many.

As I have said before. Keep Rodgers if you want to, but if done so, next season will be just like this one.

The man is not good enough, end of !

28 Apr 2015 15:15:50
If they keep BR, that is their prob and cross to bear. i`m afraid we`re going to have to bear his media baloney and tactical mishaps for one more season because for him, being kept is not a reason to change. On the contrary, it is positive re-enforcement and a reason to keep doing what he`s doing because he doesn`t think he is failing if you read his comments in the media.

28 Apr 2015 08:08:30
I would like Garneiro as well. Would make a fine addition.

Maybe we could get Aguero or Dzeko plus cash for Sterling?

What are Ed's thoughts on Santon from Inter and De Sciglio from AC? both quick and very good defensive awareness IMO. any interest?

{Ed002's Note - There is no interest from Liverpool in any of these players.}

28 Apr 2015 09:16:50
Aguero plus cash for Sterling? Maybe they will throw a talking unicorn in as a sweetener?

28 Apr 2015 09:51:08
Don't be stupid blocked.
We all know unicorns can't talk. ;)

28 Apr 2015 10:20:47
Maybe we could get them all for sterling and some polos for brenda to suck on to shut him up?

28 Apr 2015 10:58:32
Augero straight swap would be the dogs boll. ks for me but city would be mad to entertain it

28 Apr 2015 15:22:07
When pigs fly is a more accurate estimation of when that will happen

28 Apr 2015 07:42:28
I disagree with many here who think we would not get a manager with pedigree to manage us or we are no more an attractive side, which is very much sterm on Rodgers boasting to be the only better manager for us. and to those making the refrence of Fergie have to wait 6yrs to win his 1st trophy and become the most successeful manager in pl history, well it's a mordern era where by 3yrs project is long enough to make good amends. look at Moys at efc for those demanding more time for managers, how many years and what are their success? like it or not cfc are currently the better side in England interms of cup success, winning two(2) european accholades in the space of two or three years with two different managers. even their belove gaffer in mou never dodge the chopping when he failled to manage a player and later brought back for his 2nd stinct. and back to my point, even if we are unattractive to top elite managers, like it or not there are managers who wouldn't say no; Kenny or Rafa, with better CVs than BR

28 Apr 2015 01:50:08
Lets say Rodgers gets sacked and we begin the search for a new manager, we automatically assume that great managers would be interested in us but in reality there is no incentive from the club, no unique selling point, we assume that de Boer, Bielsa, Klopp Emery or Cocu would love to manage us, why? We are not an attractive club to manage anymore, the pressure the history the fans expectations the transfer committee not exactly an enticing prospect. Macca is right we are where our spending reflects, we are short of quality and unfortunately to most Rodgers seems like the only person that wants the job. The solution personally I believe he needs an experienced coach behind him and a sporting director to take the heat off from matters that really seem beyond him, this approach might work better for Rodgers as he can focus more intensely on managing the team and the tactics which at times have been brilliant and at other stages with background distractions been woeful.
Finally I'll leave you with this the most successful manager in history took 6 years to win his first trophy in England, time is a commodity we must be willing to spend, otherwise we'll be the same as every other team.

28 Apr 2015 07:11:56
Rodgers has had 3 years and plenty of money to get the requisite quality and has largely been unsuccessful. When the likes of Comolli say you've spent a lot, you know it's been a fair amount coin.

28 Apr 2015 09:57:41
When Rodgers goes in the summer I'm sure you will be proved wrong.
Plenty of managers will want to come to a massive club like Liverpool, with highly supportive owners, new stadium upgrades on the way, some very good but under performing young players.
Sure a whole load of managers wanting to take a step up would want that.

28 Apr 2015 12:50:41
Just an idea Guys but what if we kept rogers and brought in Bielsa as DOF after all rogers plans was based on his coaching courses from Bielsa just a thought fellas and maybe Rogers can get the plan to work with Bielsa to show him

28 Apr 2015 15:30:51
Two big egos (one defo over-inflated) will defo be a disaster. Bielsa is so hnds-on that he will be slapping him around so much that he would wind up taking the job due to BR`s recurrent mistakes

28 Apr 2015 00:34:39
I would like Bielsa as the next manager.

Assuming he could be persuaded to come?

Then another South American.

Followed by Klopp then Rafa.

Ancelotti or Capelo would be interesting.

Anything but Rodgers. Yet, I am biased. I never liked him.

28 Apr 2015 01:24:05
Capella and Rafa? No thank you. The rest, I hope so.

28 Apr 2015 07:16:47
All of those names are massive risks. Doubt FSG will be desperate to pay off Brendan to take another expensive gamble. Things would have to get much worse IMO.

28 Apr 2015 07:56:32
Klopp and Ancelotti are massive risks? They hired a guy with 1 year of PL experience and only 3.5 years as a first team manager total, not sure I follow why these names would be massive risks.

27 Apr 2015 23:09:58
Wellcome back Macca, is great reading your updates which make this site the best and authentic. we hope to hear more from you. your message seem to have Klopp as the only option if Rodgers were to leave, which means De Boer is not in the que? and we have to face Rodgers pressers till january, don't you think that we could be a potential failure under him come next season if he is still incharge as he won't shut his mouth? fans are fed up, any flashes of brilliance would not move the fans again and a little blip will cause hysteria etc even players confidence will be lowered. you made mention that Balotelli was sign against his wish, but what about the other three strikers? to me ather manager would make one of them score at least 10goals this season, even i for one believe that Gerrard under good manager would still provide quality to the team. any way, thanks once again for the info Macca, and my regards to all the Eds in here.

28 Apr 2015 01:31:09
BR's position has become untenable, IMO and he needs to go, simple as. As for Macca saying BR did not want Balo, I take him at his word BUT all I will ask is that if he did not want Balo, why did he stand by and let it happen or did he not put his foot down and threaten resignation and reject Remy when he was on the treatment table during his medical? Managers have done this in the past and kept their dignity so why couldn't he? I think he saw this as a win-win as in, if he panned out, he gets the credit for fixing Balo and if he fails, he says it was not his choice, like the politician that he is.

28 Apr 2015 07:20:58
Would you really expect Rodgers to resign, throw away a great job at the end of August because FSG deemed it acceptable to purchase Mario Balotelli?
They didn't force him to play Mario. That would be a reason to consider resignation.
If anything Mario's failure strengthens Rodgers hand in future deals. Maybe FSG will listen to Rodgers when he doesn't want to sign a player?

28 Apr 2015 15:43:41
Wrong, IMO! BR knew the risks of signing him YET did nothing. If he felt that strongly about it, he should have threatened to quit and FSG would have listened because the blowback would have been terrible for them. He had the powerto impose his will on them by refusing a DOF yet folded like a banana when it came time to buy Balo? He had the power to block the Bony and Remy deals per Ed01`s info (who are actually better than Balo) and then folded like a lil flower in the winter time when Balo came along? If you believe that, I have a bridge in london I can sell you. he let it happen and trashed the boy in the media so much that it became creepy. I don`t expect him to take responsibility for the Balo debacle because he has NEVER taken responsibility for all his blunders since he arrived so I KNOW he will never admit that he either said or did nothing to stop it when he could have as the Ed01 has said here on numerous occasions