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27 Sep 2017 23:18:44
let's hope the boys can get the points of rafas lot on Sunday and with city and Chelsea playing each other a chance to pull a couple of points back then there's the little matter of United after the international break with all these chances we create its only a matter of time befor someone gets a hiding wouldn't it be nice if it was United you never know. are we allowed to play 3 keepers against them 😂.
27 Sep 2017 21:00:45
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Spartak Moscow v Liverpool Match Review - A Liverpool Perspective
27 Sep 2017 22:26:22
Great read, Ed. I like your theory of the constant GK switches maybe affecting the way the defenders were set up for the wall on the free kick. This may have led to the wall not jumping as well. Klopp needs to end this rotation nonsense at some point.
As for the goal, I don't know why Karius did not anticipate the the ball will come wall side and shuffle just two steps to the left and prolly would have saved the free kick tho I will say that there was a lot of whip and dip on the shot. Anyway, he's not the first GK to give up a soft goal and like you said, Klopp is not helping him with constantly starting and benching him.
27 Sep 2017 22:47:08
Another good read ed001, thanks mate.
28 Sep 2017 04:20:28
I missed the game and only saw highlights so thanks for the review ED - judging by highlights alone I do not know how we didn't win, endless chances unconveted it seems.
{Ed001's Note - very much so mate.}
28 Sep 2017 12:40:58
Spot on review Ed - Hendos inclination to step up aggressively and press is not a great trait unless you're playing two deep with someone to cover.
When the sides high press is at its best IMO, it was with Gini and Lallana doing the pressing higher up the pitch and Hendo just cleaning up. now however they seem to be getting past the front 2 too easily, and if Hendo steps up we leaving a gaping hole with plenty of runners to hit.
Think Can deep and Hendo further upfield makes far more sense.
27 Sep 2017 20:25:06
Ed001 can't find my post on the page but you replied so I assume the the reply about belisa was just to me. didn't belisa bring a hand grenade to work or something?
{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, he has done a lot of mad things though, they do call him loco. He is a genius but an eccentric one.}
27 Sep 2017 20:16:50
United showing us how it's done in Russia. Clinical and ruthless. Really think we need that out and out striker firing on all cylinders to sweep away all those chances we create. Firmino is a top player on his day who creates space but far too inconsistent and not a natural striker/ finisher.
{Ed025's Note - your right mate..
27 Sep 2017 21:01:43
What?
Be careful saying that on here or you'll be shouted down like I was on here last week.
I was told Firmino is a natural striker and has played there his whole career and that Sturridge was in fact world class, we have Ings to come back (I like him but you cannot rely on a player who has been injured for 2 years - see Sturridge again) and we have Solanke who will be a good player, but we need it now.
I suggested all summer we should have gone for Javier Hernandez who United were crazy to sell in my opinion.
There were people even saying Firmino was a better striker than Ian Rush, dear oh dear oh dear!
Then people said Salah and Mane more or less play as our main Strikers - I have news for you, they're not natural strikers either.
I have watched Liverpool for 30 years and have seen many a great Striker for us and against us, these guys we have now are very good, but I'm telling you, they are not Strikers.
27 Sep 2017 21:40:54
But were you not happy with the result Olrish from your reactions yesterday and today 😄😄😄!
27 Sep 2017 22:55:39
Couldn't agree more OIrish Kev 1. Somebody speaks some sense finally. As has ed25, he said in the summer we needed an out and out striker, a reliable goalscorer, we did bugger all about it and now we are suffering for it. As well as the defence of course.
Javier Hernandez - a good shout, wouldn't be my number one choice but he'd of been better then what we have.
I'm fedup of the same old story, buy now. for the future, yeah and half of them end up flops, we need reliable well known good players, Keita is one of them. Salah how many people knew of the lad? we got lucky, he was a great buy in my opinion. Jan/ Summer we need to prioritise sorting the defence and a goal scoring striker and maybe even a new keeper time will tell on that one.
Sturridge needs to go unless he start's banging them in left right and center which i just can't imagine happening. It will be interesting to see how Origi does this season whilst away, I think him and Solanke will really step up but like you say, we need something special now.
27 Sep 2017 23:11:08
Haha I posted something similar last week and got shot down for it.
28 Sep 2017 01:12:42
Nah WCD, I have always said we need an out and out Striker.
It's as obvious to me as us needing a couple of defenders.
How many would Fowler have scored in his prime Tuesday night?!
Definitely would have scored the volley Sturridge blazed over and I'd suggest he'd have scored the Salah headed chance near the end.
When you think of it and listen to us experts, it seems we need half a new team:
A Keeper, 2 Defenders, a Midfielder and a Striker.
I think JK has a bit of work to do in the next two windows! 😂😆😎.
28 Sep 2017 06:11:00
Olrish, 5 more players over what we have already bought this summer? Lol!
28 Sep 2017 07:23:18
I am thinking we may need a goals scoring striker after all. Firmino is never going to score on a consistent basis, Sturridge will probably be sold next summer and Solanke is still 2-3 seasons away from being a first team regular. A short term fix makes sense to me. Chicharito would have been a good solution. We would have needed to alter our shape a little, but at least there was a player who knew where the back of the net is.
28 Sep 2017 12:42:40
Well Ward might well be the solution in goal if ever given his chance.
So technically 4 players in two transfer windows is not a huge ask.
If Can stays which is unlikely, it would mean needing just 3 possibly.
All speculative right now.
I can't see Sturridge with us next season either, unless he goes on a sudden goal scoring spurt until May but who knows?!
27 Sep 2017 20:09:04
Since we are on the topic of goalkeepers, I never understood why people liked to compare Buffon and Casillas.
Casillas was no way in the same league as buffon.
Buffon was probably the best keeper ever.
27 Sep 2017 21:06:15
It's hard to argue with you on Buffon being the best, he also stuck with Juve in their times in Serie B.
Seems like a nice guy too.
Rinat Dasayev (think that's how you spell it) of the USSR was my favourite as a kid.
He wasn't so good with the ball at his feet though.
The back-pass rule in the early 90's exposed him a few times as it did a few other great keepers.
27 Sep 2017 21:13:21
OIrish, you went old school there, my friend on the Dessaev tip. GKs at the time did not need to be good with their feet as they could pick up the ball with their hands on a back pass.
Rinat Dessaev was known as the best GK in the world (the second coming of the legendary Lev Yashin) before the Euros in 1988 until Marco Van Basten took him to the cleaners with that forever legendary volley the Euro final in 1988. Great era littered w/ great players from top to bottom.
27 Sep 2017 21:38:43
I'd leave him away with the Van Basten goal, that was simply an incredible strike from one of the greatest himself.
Dasayev was badly injured against the Republic of Ireland in a game not long before that final too so he was doubtful for that final if memory serves.
He made some incredible saves against us in that match as well, one especially incredible save from Ray Houghton from about 3 yards out in fact.
Houghton played like Maradonna in that game at times.
I was only about 9, but remember it pretty well.
You'd have to put Peter Schmeichel in that argument too (best keeper of all time), what a keeper and he also played at Euro 88.
27 Sep 2017 21:44:31
By the way, that Dutch team - they were like a machine at times, absolutely unbelievable.
Yes it was a great era, and as you say, it was littered with great players before the Murdock cash came along.
Simpler times and it was a better time to be a football fan in my opinion.
27 Sep 2017 22:33:12
Oh, I missed the fact that Dessaev was injured befor the final. No wonder on the the first goal by Guillit (a canon of a header), I always thought he would/ should have saved it but there you go. Like you, I remember that Russian team as well with legends like Belanov, Dessaev, Raz and the magician Alexander Zavarov. I have chills just mentioning those names.
27 Sep 2017 23:08:26
Zavarov, yes I just about remember him. He played in that Ireland game too.
We should have beaten them, would have been in the semi finals then against Italy/ Germany.
Great memories, especially as I had a relative in that Irish squad.
Our very own version of Dasayev.
27 Sep 2017 23:02:28
Yeah Raz was a good player as was Demyanenko, Mikaelchecko, Protasov and a few others.
Yeah Tony Glavin of Spurs and Dasayev had two coming togethers in 50/ 50s right in front of goal within a few seconds of each other.
Ireland really should have gotten a penalty for one of them.
After the second one, the ball came back to Galvin who fed Aldridge on the six yard box with a fantastic curling cross and somehow he missed with the keeper out of it.
He had so much time but took it first time in the volley. Blazed it over. Dasayev was subbed immediately.
Ireland were incredible in that match, could have won by 3 or 4 goals.
Ronnie Whelan scored an incredible goal in that game as well.
Great times for Ireland, dominated by great Liverpool players.
International football is just not what it used to be.
27 Sep 2017 20:05:21
Ed001 ed002 ed0025
Just having a conversation with my friend about Brendan Rodgers and when we came 2nd. was the manager who gave Brendan Rodgers advice on the system to play called belisa or something like that? I can't quite remember.
{Ed001's Note - Marcelo Bielsa.}
27 Sep 2017 18:02:47
Reading about the new intergalactic team, why are there so few world class keepers and when was the last British keeper who could stake a claim to be one, Seaman for me just fell short (great class)
27 Sep 2017 21:08:47
Neville Southall - unbelievable Welsh keeper.
If you haven't seen that guy at his peak, make it your business lol.
27 Sep 2017 22:38:50
Probably Peter Shilton.
28 Sep 2017 11:50:08
Shilton certainly wasn't a bad keeper in my opinion, not sure if he was world class.
He definitely played on too long though at international level at least.
He was poor in his final Euros in '88, looked slow and top heavy.
He had a very strong defence in front of him in Italia '90, so wasn't exposed much but still made an absolute howler in the 3rd/ 4th place playoff against Italy.
27 Sep 2017 17:06:42
Was there a match review for last nights game?
{Ed001's Note - not yet mate, I had to go out today so haven't had a chance to do one, will try and get it done now. Sorry.}
27 Sep 2017 16:57:44
I seen on the rumour page can't remember who it was asking ed002 with CA leaving Bayern at the end of the season will they turn to klopp to which ed said he can't see it happening because its a year too early
Am I missing something or is klopp going 2019? He signed a six year contract (does that matter) not so long ago.
If klopp was to go to Bayern in the summer fingers crossed he doesn't would CA be interested in becoming the Liverpool manager?
{Ed002's Note - If CA sees his contract out, which is very unlikely, 2019 would have been a good chance for Klopp to look to the job he wanted before moving to Liverpool - if Bayern were still interested. Bayern are sensible enough to be making provisions already on the basis they will have a new manager next season but as I have already said it is very unlikely they will look to Klopp.}
27 Sep 2017 17:16:03
Thanks ed002. Could CA be interested in taking on the Liverpool job if klopp did jump at the chance to manage bayern or has CA have another club in mind to manage?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not looking for a manager at this time. After what happened previously it would seem unlikely.}
27 Sep 2017 17:42:39
Cheers Ed 002.
28 Sep 2017 09:38:44
{Ed002's Note - I will tell you what, given that there is little transfer news right now, we can have a thread a day where we can gradually build the 25 man squad and a couple of coaches that we can get folks agreeing would be the best. We can use the Banter page for this and it will be one thread per day - I will dictate the formation of GK, RB, CB, CB, LB, DM, DM, RW, CM/ AM, LW, CF and Coach. The squad will be buit around 3 GK, 2 RB, 4 CB, 2 LB, 3 DM, 2 RW, 3 CM, 1 AM, 2 LW, 3 CF and 2 Coaches. I will start the first thread today - allowing people to sensibly discuss and agree three goalkeepers. Posts which are trying to mess up the thread will be deleted, as will anything mentioning any of the Liverpool goalkeepers.
World Squad to face Bellerophon, Nanook, Osiris, Gliese-581, Egliuq, Rugletune and Reefer in the inaugural Intergalactic Cup. Today, three goalkeepers are to be decided upon. I will offer up a couple of youngsters for the third pick, Alex Meret and Gianluigi Donnarumma. Others will want to offer their own options.
27 Sep 2017 17:09:51
De Gea > Neur > buffon.
27 Sep 2017 17:10:18
Great idea Ed. Thanks again.
Just to explain my picks i think Oblak is the best all round keeper, Neuer is the best sweeper keeper, and Buffon is the best organisationally and in terms of leadership.
Cheers boss. Who are your 3 picks out of interest?
{Ed002's Note - I gave a couple of youngsters and perhaps later we will have a short list to discuss.
27 Sep 2017 17:10:23
Oblak, Neuer, David De Gea. Pretty easy to pick out the outstanding 3 GKs in the world.
27 Sep 2017 17:10:38
Ok Karius Migs and Ward no not really my 3 are, Courtois Andrada and Donarumma.
27 Sep 2017 17:10:44
Benny, i really rate De Gea now. He is top 10 in the world for me, and he was my pick in the "if you could have one player from any other Premier League team" debate, but am i reading your post right that you think he is best?
Not saying you're wrong, just interested to know your reasoning. I still think he flaps at high balls too much to be in the top 3. I was debating if Buffon still belonged in the top 3, but the two i had next in lime to replace him were Trapp and Handanovic. I think De Gea would be my 6th choice after that though. Great keeper, but I'm just not sure i rate him as the best, yet. You're a very critical thinker though so I'd love to hear your elaboration on his inclusion.
27 Sep 2017 17:11:04
Sadly De Gea is a world class keeper. United do quite well when it comes to keepers eh. Neur is fantastic. I'll give you an underrated keeper. Not world class but very good and is from the premiership. Fabianski of The Swans and Poland. I really like him, he would be an upgrade on migs.
Who would be in the world class defence? Klavan?!
Mendy Sergio ramos.
27 Sep 2017 17:11:05
I don't think buffon would make the top three now. Goalie has to be neuter for me. De Gea as back up.
27 Sep 2017 17:11:21
Mk. De Gea is simply the best goalie in the world. His saves are sensational, he literally wins points for his team. Not to mention, when was his last error leading to a goal?
His aerial ability in the beginning was questionable, however now it is no problem for him.
27 Sep 2017 17:11:36
I would choose Simon Mignolet, Charles Itandje and Brad Jones.
Reserves I suppose would be Neur, Oblak and De Gea.
27 Sep 2017 17:11:44
I still rate him Superred. He commands his area, organises and drills his defence, and reads danger so well. If his agility wasn't going downhill he'd still be my No.1 in the world.
He is so good though that he rarely has to dive. Reminds me of David Seaman in that respect, but better. Truly the greatest goal keeper of the last 20 years for me. I don't think enough people appreciate just how good he has been and how impressive his longevity is. He could play another 5 years yet, if he fancies it like Shilton did. Because is abilities make his lack of agility almost unimportant 90% of the time. I'd fly out to pick him up if he wanted to sign for Liverpool!
27 Sep 2017 17:11:46
De Gea, Neuer and Oblak.
27 Sep 2017 17:11:52
This is excellent, I fully claim this as mine and ED2's brainchild (assuming ED2 allows it) and I will be a very happy brain father once our squad comes together. The keepers I would choose are De Gea, Courtois and Migs. These 3 prem keepers can go and save the globe and migs will be too busy being a superhero to play for Liverpool so we can have a half decent keeps.
27 Sep 2017 17:11:59
Whilst claiming this as a brainchild I may have fallen afoul of ED's no liverpool gk talk. I'm sorry and my keeps are De Gea, Courtois and Cech.
27 Sep 2017 17:12:59
This intergalactic team seems like fun.
For my GK's i pick - De Gea, Meret and Lafont.
27 Sep 2017 17:17:28
My choice:
Neuer
Ederson
De Gea.
27 Sep 2017 17:17:29
Neuer, De gea and buffon.
27 Sep 2017 17:24:16
De Gea, Meret and Donnarumma.
27 Sep 2017 17:24:30
Ed002 i really like your idea of the Intergalatic Earth Team.
My 3 keepers vote is
Oblak, Buffon and Neuer.
27 Sep 2017 17:28:59
He was certainly the best keeper in the world for a long long time. Casilias was decent too, is he still any good? Don't see much Spanish footy. We were linked with him in summer eh, just remembered. I don't watch much foreign football and can only come up with 2. Neuer and De Gea, in that case I'll take your advice MK and add Buffon.
I'm not talking about world class but what do you think of fabianski MK? EDS? I don't watch the swans as much as I could but seen the odd game and always motd or Poland games and he always seems pretty accomplished, makes nice saves, big lad. Maybe I'm just catching him on good days, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts guys.
{Ed001's Note - Casillas is and was awful, one of those players that just never got tested so looked good. Once tested he was dreadful and cost Spain a few times, he is now costing goals a lot in Portugal last I heard. Certainly he was this week anyway.
Flappyhandski? He is good at shot stopping but a proper flapper when it comes to dealing with crosses.}
27 Sep 2017 17:30:13
Oblak, de gea and neuer.
27 Sep 2017 17:42:36
Neur, De Gea and Buffon.
27 Sep 2017 17:47:50
Between De Gea, Donnarumma and Buffon for me.
27 Sep 2017 17:53:26
De Gea, Oblak and Handanovic for me.
27 Sep 2017 17:57:10
Nuer, Buffon, and strictly Fantasy, LeBron James. He is tall, super athletic, and imposing. Great hands and just a beast. A few weeks of training. It would be interesting to see.
27 Sep 2017 18:01:55
Neuer, Donnarumma and Ahkmarl Gregggmarhhhh formerly of Osiris.
27 Sep 2017 17:49:30
Agree with Indian Buzzer, it's De Gea, Neuer and Oblak for me.
27 Sep 2017 17:59:45
Buffon, Neuer and Mignolet. joke - Lloris.
27 Sep 2017 18:15:52
Surprised no-one mentioned Hugo Lloris, I think he's a good keeper.
27 Sep 2017 18:16:20
1) The hulk - nothing can get past him
2) The flash - says it all really
3) Captain America - provided he's allowed his shield
Honourable mention
Antman - you never know which corner to aim for.
27 Sep 2017 18:21:36
Oblak; De Gea; Donnarumma.
27 Sep 2017 18:24:51
Thats easy:
Oblak
De gea
Neuer
Had a few more on mind like Cech and Lloris, but I will go with the above mentioned 3.
27 Sep 2017 18:41:19
Oblak, De Gea and Neuer.
27 Sep 2017 18:44:22
Oblak, Neuer, De Gea.
27 Sep 2017 18:58:05
My three GK's
De Gea, Courtois, Cech.
27 Sep 2017 19:24:07
Since this is a one-off match, there's really no point in having players who have yet to reach their potential like Meret or Lafont. The three goalkeepers I'm going with will be De Gea, Neuer and Buffon. All top keepers, leaders and regularly win their team matches.
27 Sep 2017 19:30:11
Neuer, de Gea, Handanovic.
27 Sep 2017 19:32:20
Should have added this to my post.
Reason why I picked De Gea, Courtois and Cech is because these are three keepers proving to be World Class in the EPL which is still the toughest League in the world.
Lloris is another good shout but have to go with the above mentioned three.
27 Sep 2017 20:23:14
Neuer, Buffon, Donnaruma.
The first two I consider to be the best and most influential goalkeepers in world football, while Dollaruma seems the best of the youngster bunch. I love tall, physical goalkeepers with long reach, though one of my favourites Courtois seems to have regressed a little bit.
Honourable mention goes to ol' boy Dudek for THAT dance.
27 Sep 2017 20:31:42
Superb idea Ed002! I’d go for Courtois, De Gea and Oblak.
27 Sep 2017 20:41:14
Neuer, Oblak and Handanovic.
27 Sep 2017 20:49:31
Why are we not discussing which are the suited GK's?
Ed002: "allowing people to sensibly discuss and agree three goalkeepers"
No point in us deciding individually who we want in the team if we cannot come to an agreement on why the said players should be there.
Give your reasons why you pick the players. There can only be three keepers. Collectively we need to decide who makes the squad.
27 Sep 2017 20:52:16
It’s Buffon Navas and De Gea for me. Funnily enough everyone’s choice so far are white and decent looking - good for marketing. I certainly think that Navas would be rated much higher if he has the appearance of De Gea for example.
I don’t personally rate Neuer and Oblak is just a hype. Donnarumma is also not that great yet - just huge potential.
27 Sep 2017 20:58:35
Fabianski is average and Casillas as still poor and still conceding silly goals till this day. See his last CL game vs Besiktas.
27 Sep 2017 20:56:15
Lol ed02 flappyhandski! Nice one pal. Like I said I haven't watched him play much. I guess as a keeper for a relegation candidate he is going to have plenty to do and therefore look better than he is. Especially if his best attribute is shot stopping.
Reading the posts about goal keepers to play for Earth United in the intergalactic tournament as much as I hate to admit it the goal keeper who is mentioned by most people is De Gea. There are three or four others and people's decisions vary but De Gea is in nearly everyone's choice. It looks like he is the first choice keeper?
{Ed001's Note - Ed02?!? It was his nickname at Arsenal mate, I can't take the credit for coming up with it.}
27 Sep 2017 21:06:21
Neuer, Lloris, De Gea.
27 Sep 2017 21:09:37
Everyone going for fantasy players with no chance I would go buckland Forster and ward just keeping it real with targets that would be possible.
27 Sep 2017 21:13:03
Oh, I didn't know that ed01. It's an unfortunate name for goalkeeper eh. Some people say lfc need z new keeper but I'm struggling to think of many realistic targets. Pointless because I think karius and ward Ard the future of the club.
Sorry, I know this thread is not meant to be about liverpool gks
Ed02 didn't casilias keep pep reina out of the Spain team for years? Reina, we know, is decent.
{Ed001's Note - he did but that was more about him being at Real Madrid. In those days they did not even want to pick players based outside of Spain for the squad, let alone put them in the team. It was more about having a core that worked together from Barca and Madrid, than picking the best players for each position.}
27 Sep 2017 21:17:58
How many people on here see Neuer playing game in and out?
I do not watch the Bundesliga so cannot really make a call on Neuer. I have to go with Gk's I see on a regular basis. I do not watch the Serie A either as it puts me to sleep. Freaking boring League.
I have seen Cech, De Gea and Courtois time and time again and these are TOP QUALITY Gk's without a doubt WORLD CLASS.
27 Sep 2017 21:42:17
Cheers for the reply ed01. I used to think, watching reina, how is he not the Spain no1? He was fantastic for liverpool. Mostly. I can totally buy that Spain wanted players who played together at real and Barcelona and Spanish league in general.
Cheers for your input bingo. I was clutching at straws with flappyhandski. Thought I had identified an underrated keeper but admittedly haven't watched his that much. I saw him make some lush saves for swans and Poland but all keepers have good days I guess.
27 Sep 2017 21:49:16
Reina would not survive with our current defence. De Gea on the other hand.
27 Sep 2017 18:13:07
De gea, earns points like schmeichael did and I personally think there's nobody close to him at the moment. I struggle to find a weakness- donnarumma, his age and his appearances are phenomenal. Buffon- even at his age, he's still outstanding. Brilliant idea ed2.
27 Sep 2017 21:40:59
Ed002, maybe you should have suggested picking the squad based on players who you see on a regular basis otherwise you will have Harry picking Kovacic who ain't even making the Madrid starting eleven.
{Ed002's Note - Thisa is an all encompassing opportunity for you to make acase for your man - not mine - but you.}
27 Sep 2017 22:18:47
Reina would organise our defence I reckon. We have all seen lovren play very well at cb, we know he can do it. Matip not seen him play much when he was in Europe. Some games he is good others he is awful. It is leadership we are lacking, more so than quality, although an up grade is still needed, ucl level.
I think migs probably carries more respect than the other two/ three keepers with the players at lfc. (Sad state of affairs) the others are young lads with much less experience in international football.
27 Sep 2017 22:35:30
After watching last nights game I'm going to throw Rebrov in with Courtois and De Gea.
27 Sep 2017 23:09:21
Genuinly not just saying this because he's at United, but I think De Gea is far and away the best in the world right now. He's an incredible keeper. His reflexes and shot stopping are obsurd a lot of the time. He makes saves he has no right to save. Find unothadox ways when it's not possible to get down quick enough he used his legs and feet so well. Someone mentioned he's still average in the air. That's not true. He commands and collects nearly everything for us. His distribution is fantastic, he's as good a passer as most our outfield players. On top of all of this when Madrid have come calling countless times he doesn't through the toys out the pram and slam in a transfer request, he gets his head down and performes. True professional at the peak of his trade.
27 Sep 2017 23:20:59
My 3 are de gea, neuer, and pickford. If this was 5 + years ago no one would get past buffon.
28 Sep 2017 00:24:02
For me the keeper who commands his box and has the respect of both friend and foe, good with his feet
Buffon x 3.
28 Sep 2017 01:08:55
Those huge pay rises keep De Gea at at United.
28 Sep 2017 01:49:41
Donnaruma, Lafont, Areola, Meret, Rajkovic all young talented goalkeepers.
Best right now - De Gea, Neuer, Cech (Arsenal would be far worse without this top keeper. )
28 Sep 2017 03:33:59
Buffon has been world class forever now, it's just incredible.
28 Sep 2017 04:19:46
Donnarunna, De Gea, Oblak. Donnartunna might be young but he is already a monster and right up there - can only see him improving in the long term.
28 Sep 2017 06:44:27
De Gea, Neuer, Donnarumma.
De Gea and Neuer seem to be a lot of people's first choices. I think that's for obvious reasons. Both are at huge clubs and performing well and consistently. Different types of 'keepers aswell.
Donnarumma is quite simply the biggest potential. A huge, imposing player with probably a big move in the next couple of years as long as he keeps his head down and stays professional. The farce in the summer should've been avoided. I'd probably put him in goal against Gliese-581, that should be an easy win.
28 Sep 2017 06:52:35
I did post a reply yesterday Benny but it hasn't come through. De Gea was at least partially at fault for 3 goals last season off the top of my head and i didn't watch every game he played in either.
Joe Allen vs Stoke where he fumbled a shot and flapped around for both rebounds. Pedro vs Chelsea where he over committed and got beaten easily. Ashley Fletcher vs West Ham were he again fumbled a shot to the attacker.
I think he is an amazing keeper. His reflexes, agility, speed off his line, distribution, shot stopping etc are exceptional. I'm still unconvinced he belongs in the world's top 3 though because he makes enough errors for United, (particularly when it comes to handling) fans to spend a lot of last season calling for Romero to start instead. That was ridiculous because he still wins them more points than he costs them, but that doesn't change the fact he does occasionally cost them!
Looking through the list though it looks like the 3 most agreed on are De Gea, Oblak and Neuer. I'm happy to go with the majority and sling those 3 in for the Intergalatic cup.
{Ed025's Note - de gea is an excellent keeper MK, you can remember 3 mistakes a season whereas liverpool keepers do that per game!, the only reason utd supporters were calling for romero was that de gea had expressed his wish to leave for madrid rather than his form, criticism of him is the fact that he plays for man utd rather than any flaws in his game mate..
28 Sep 2017 08:10:53
Not criticising him per se, Ed025. I think after Oblak, Neuer, Buffon, Trapp and Handanovic he is the next best in the world. I'm just putting across my argument as to why i chose my top 3 instead. They might not make as many unbelievable saves as De Gea, but they also don't drop as many clangers as he does.
I really rate De Gea nowadays. He has grown into being the best keeper in the Premier League for me, marginally ahead of Courtois and Lloris. I rate him so highly he was my pick for LFC if we could have any other player in the league. He is unreal at times.
I've just not quite got him in my top 3 yet. I think in time Oblak, De Gea and Donarumma will eventually be the 3 best keepers in the world though as Neuer, Buffon and Handanovic are all getting on a bit. Neuer despite not being old for a keeper, will struggle due to his style of play. He relies on his speed as much as some outfield players do.
Sorry for the long reply, i just don't want people to think I'm bitter towards De Gea because of who he plays for. I'm really not. And I'm not daring to suggest he is even comparable to any of Liverpool's keepers regarding mistakes. I'm comparing his mistakes to the world's best, and he does still make a lot compared to them. At 26 though, he's still really young for a keeper. He has anything from 10-15 years left to improve.
Anyway, I'm happy for us as a collective to have him in the top 3, because the majority seem to want him there. I'd still have him in my top 6 in the world, so i don't exactly think he's miles off anyway!
{Ed025's Note - i think hes as good as there is out there MK, every keeper makes the odd mistake just as every striker will miss a sitter every now and then but he also makes the difference between winning games and drawing, in some of the other leagues the intensity is far less as its only 3 or 4 teams who will carry a viable attack who will test a keeper to the full, but in in the prem a keeper has to be alert in most if not all games as its so competitive mate..
28 Sep 2017 08:51:24
Hello dear Reds!
Even though this is my first post, I've been regularly reading posts from this site since 2009 and would like to use this opportunity to thank everybody for your wonderful contribution and entertainment over the years.
My vote for goalkeepers would be: Neuer, De Gea and Buffon.
Cheers!
{Ed001's Note - welcome aboard Borkes.}
28 Sep 2017 08:54:11
Looks like the vast majority say de Gea then, nice compliment from you guys ðŸ‘.
28 Sep 2017 10:07:55
He has consistently been the best in arguably the toughest league for a GK to play in. Not only that but he has improved on his weaknesses admirably and been the match winner on so many occasions.
That's why De Gea is in my top 3 without a shadow of a doubt.
28 Sep 2017 10:46:57
De Gea, Neuer and Buffon for me but I have not seen enough of Oblak or Donnarmurra to have a view. Also rate Lloris and Cech.
28 Sep 2017 02:45:58
should we not pick the coach first ed002? there would be a reason as to why the three pick is chosen by each poster due to the style of play of the coach.
regardless, i suppose the good GKs can fit in any team, my 3 pick would be:
Neuer, De Gea and Lloris.
Neuer, the best midfielder among the three goalkeepers, not much need to be said there.
De Gea, very good shot stopper and performed well regardless of the pair of CB in front of him. whether the team is playing defensive or attacking, he will excel in both.
LLoris, a very good sweeper keeper, would fit well with a team playing high line.
{Ed002's Note - You are thinking of having Klopp as coach and more goalkeepers?}
28 Sep 2017 07:16:31
Well done Ed2, this is the longest thread I have seen in all my many years reading this site without people throwing abuse at each other, quite an achievement.
I'd go for Courtois, De Gea and Leno.
28 Sep 2017 11:14:18
oh i wouldn't pick klopp ed002, my answer to that will be when that thread comes =) .
not sure about the 3 gk comment tho, you said there'll be 3 gks in the squad i picked 3 ha.
28 Sep 2017 11:59:56
So we have completed the GK position - I will figure out those who seem most popular and post that later. There will now be a new thread for the two right backs you think should be included in or World Team.
28 Sep 2017 12:12:29
My 3 keepers:
1 - De Gea quality keeper
2 - Donnarumma as back up has potential to be the best
3 - Buffon to give guidance to the two above and act as a player coach.
28 Sep 2017 12:24:59
1= De Gea
2= Neuer
3= (Who I think Liverpool should be going all out for and sign at any cost, maybe throw Mignolet or Karius into the Deal, Your Opinion Eds? ) Jack Butland.
28 Sep 2017 12:32:42
Loving the thread so far, going to offer my choices and as much as I admire De Gea I can't bring myself to put any Utd players forward.
So my choices (2 current and one youngster)
Oblak
Neuer
Svilar.
28 Sep 2017 12:36:43
Hope I am not too late to join the party!
Seems like good fun and will be interesting to see the ultimate fantasy team!
My picks for 3 keepers are:
1. De Gea- To make the transformation into an established world class keeper makes him my number one pick
2. Buffon- Extremely experienced and still a fantastic keeper- a true leader who knows how to organise a back line.
3. Donnarumma- Has so much potential- keepers don't peak until there late 20s so the fact he has established himself as first choice speaks volume.
{Ed002's Note - We have a result for GKs now and have moved on to a separate thread for RBs Morro. Two of you GKs did make the squad.}
28 Sep 2017 09:02:19
That is a fair point Ed, but your comment on the Premier League forcing keepers into action more frequently is actually one of the main reasons i didn't pick any in my top 3.
I think it is a much better mark of a world class goal keeper if you can sometimes go 89 minutes without having to do anything and then pull a save out of the bag from nowhere. It shows a level of concentration that Prem keepers just don't need a lot of the time. I personally think having more shots at you actually makes it easier to look good because you will have more highlight reel footage, but it also prevents your concentration levels from dropping off if you are constantly involved. That is exactly how keepers like Mignolet (Sunderland), Hart (Birmingham) and Vorm (Swansea) have conned their way into top teams in recent history only to be found out.
It's an opinions game though mate. De Gea is clearly special, but having more to do makes it easier to look good, not harder. That is just my opinion though. Liverpool only concede about 5 shots a game, and it exposes our keepers lack of concentration, that they didn't need to worry about in lesser sides as they were always heavily involved.
{Ed025's Note - you make a fair point MK mate..
27 Sep 2017 13:46:11
can't see why WARD isn't given a few games see how he copes got nothing to loose didn't klopps closest friend David Wagner manage ward for a season surely klopp must of asked how he performed week in week out . only a thought.
27 Sep 2017 15:36:01
Everyone destroyed karius and his confidence after a few bad decisions in a 10 game run.
Why would he let them all (pundits as well - carra :@) destroy ward if he drops a ball. After 4 years of mignolet.
27 Sep 2017 17:22:24
Karius' confidence wouldn't have been "destroyed by everyone" if he wasn't making elementary mistakes which cost us games. It's simple really. He's a goal keeper, the most high profile position in a team; playing in the most high profile league for one of the most high profile teams in the world.
What was he expecting? His mistakes would go under the radar?
He was the wrong signing if he can't handle being that high profile.
27 Sep 2017 18:22:39
We don't know it was Karius who made the call. Also 23 is young for a keeper so it wasn't that much of a sign he can't cope. From what I've seen Ward is better than Karius and Mignolet at crosses at an age where still developing, so it really would make sense to get him playing.
27 Sep 2017 18:24:39
These lads get paid massive money to play a sport we all love. I'm sure fans being critical of mistakes doesn't effect them as it's part and parcel of the game. Especially when there's around 40 thousand opposition fans singing far more insulting songs about players every away game.
27 Sep 2017 18:41:27
I honestly don't think I can remember Karius make a decent save 🤔 Not one save.
27 Sep 2017 19:03:26
Why do people think being paid large sums of money removes all of the following:
Getting injured
Being tired
Suffering from illness including things like depression
Having family issues
Being a human with feelings and emotions
Plus it doesn't have to be a case of them being directly upset; if your other half, parents, children constantly see and hear people making derogatory and offensive comments about you, then no amount of money will change how much their upset will upset you.
Just because they get paid money we will never see to do a job we'd all love to have doesn't make them robots without feelings.
27 Sep 2017 21:03:14
Freshst, haven't you heard that making large sums of money playing football NO LONGER makes you human as if you are not allowed to feel the same human emotions and feel physical and mental pain and fatigue?
27 Sep 2017 21:24:48
Exactly Bingo, I despair sometimes.
27 Sep 2017 21:29:35
Ron, What happened to Karius was a complete disgrace from our own fans who took sides with a manc managerial failure and a Red sellout (Ed01's words, not mine) in targeting and bullying a young GK cos he had the gaul to speak for himself after being bullied. Cara telling him to "shut up and do his job" is bang out of order as well. Migs has been killing us for years BUT where was the outrage there? He made TWO mistakes in ten games and could have done better last night BUT even the best GK's concede soft goals sometime so he will learn. Migs made 5 mistakes in two games YET some are still making excuses for him. The hypocrisy is deafening.
Do you think if Ward came in, he would not make mistakes? You are aware that Ward like Karius, is very inexperienced at the top level as well? For me, him conceding a soft goal does not bother me at all cos how else will he learn? Same with Ward. Had he been in goal last night and he conceded the same goal in the same manner, I would not be bothered cos like Karius, how else will he learn and get better? So Karius gave up a soft goal. Big deal as clearly he is the first one to ever do that in history. He will learn and people should get over their phony outrage cos Karius did not cost us the 3 points last night. Our forward line's profligacy did.
27 Sep 2017 22:26:39
Pc brigade have turned up 🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚.
27 Sep 2017 22:49:28
Bingo - what happened to Karius is a direct result of him making some pretty high profile mistakes. That's the gig. If you can't take criticism, you're not the man for the job. It really is that simple. Some may make excuses for Migs, but others give him dogs abuse - like I said, it comes with the territory. I agree Ward is inexperienced. Read my post and you will find that out. I would prefer we let Karius and Migs go (mutually beneficial for club and players) and buy in a ready made great goalkeeper. Not a young pup.
I don't get this bit Bingo:
"For me, him conceding a soft goal does not bother me at all cos how else will he learn"
So you want a keeper who has to concede soft goals before he learns? I'm sorry, LFC first team is not the place to learn how to stop conceding soft goals.
I don't blame Karius, I actually have sympathy for the lad because this will hurt his career the longer he stays. I blame Klopp/ whoever recruited him. He clearly was never up to the job. He should certainly not have been thrown into the first team before he sorted out his weaknesses.
27 Sep 2017 12:40:00
Hi Eds, if we get to the end of the season without any of our keepers establishing themselves I think we’ll need another this summer. In that light I’ve looked at a few names and I wondered if you’d care to comment on their availability/ suitability for Liverpool. The names are Butland of Stoke, Leno of Leverkusen, Horn of Koln, Perin of Genoa and Lopes of Lyon. I won't pretend that I'm particularly familiar with any of them but they're all established but still young and are at clubs which could be seen as a level below Liverpool (and therfore may be interested in a move) .
{Ed002's Note - These are just random players that Liverpool has shown no recent interest in, but: Butland - unless a leading side come calling assuring him to start he will stay at Stoke another year. Leno - Arsenal, Inter and Napoli see him as an option going forward. Real Madrid could potentially turn to him. Horn - Milan could turn to him if they lose Donnarumma and Leverkusen if they lose Leno. Manchester United could turn to him if they lose De Gea. Liverpool and Spurs looked at him a while back but interest has gone for now. Perin is an option for Inter going forward. Lopes - was of interest to Southampton but that has moved on.}
27 Sep 2017 14:23:50
Thank you ed. I apologize for the random names and greatly appreciate your time.
{Ed002's Note - No problem.}
27 Sep 2017 13:13:09
to SonofKlopp, sorry I was out and your reply was held for me but the thread had been removed in the meantime. Excellent and interesting reply though. Not sure I agree with all your points raised but I really enjoyed reading your point of view. Sorry I was too late to be able to post it up but just wanted you to know it was not just deleted out of hand or anything, and some of what you said I did agree with.
27 Sep 2017 12:47:44
Just on Karius ( or maybe not)
Don't agree with the switching of keepers but that is not the real issue .
On last nights self destruct goal. Emre put the team completely on the back foot with a firstly poorly executed pass back to Trent, while secondly not even looking at the situation. He had eight touches in this moment so should have been aware of his surrounds . This passage results in a free kick ( justified or not they happen on the edge of the box when you are scrapping due to being under pressure, if Courts is trying to make clearances then we are scrapping) HERE IS THE IMPORTANT THING. Cann breaks the wall by jumping and twisting and leaving the hole the ball goes through . If the wall had stood still, it would have stopped that free kick . Agree that Karius should do better but the wall he lined up did not do its job . Worryingly as per all season not one player loses the plot . Not one player goes ape Shyte at stupid mistakes . They all just shrug their shoulders and walk off . It's been the same all season and it's not just down to personnel . The defenders and midfielders we have might not be the finished articles but if they are not drilled these errors will continue . Seville game we got caught out from a throw in, Champions league is always multi ball so expect quick throw ins . How much practice are we doing on this little detail as an example .
The long and short is we either have players not carrying out what they have worked on in training on to the pitch. OR we aren't working on these things to begin with . ITS ONE OR THE OTHER?
27 Sep 2017 13:21:35
How much have liverpool really trained in the last fortnight. It takes two days to recover after 90 minutes. 3/ 4 days for guys like Milner. I'm sure they are going to melwood but they can't be really working on defencive tactics practically.
27 Sep 2017 13:32:17
2 days to recover after every 90 mts of football? So what are they working at melwood, Attacking tactics?
27 Sep 2017 13:49:37
Matip and Lovren seem to always be missing from training.
27 Sep 2017 15:01:43
Spot on James. Karius gets the blame but the wall didn't do it's job. Although I thought the ball went a small height over Mane's head rather than through the wall) . Karius was a bit flat footed too, but the ball went in the wall's side of the goal. It's frustrating that to commentators and the media our keepers can do no right and our attackers can do no wrong.
27 Sep 2017 17:48:06
2 days recovery for young, fit athletes?
Not a chance they need two days off every time.
Milner is only 31, he plays 10 to 30 minutes maybe, so he certainly wouldn't need 3 or 4 days off.
Even if he completes a full match, he'll take one, maybe two days recovery and by recovery I mean they still go into Melwood and do warm down sessions, massages etc.
Obviously they'll get days off too from time to time, but certainly not what is suggested above!
27 Sep 2017 18:43:32
OIrish you have missed the point that the reason they are fit young athletes is because they are now properly managed. You've also misunderstood what recovery time actually means. It doesn't mean sitting on their butt doing a great deal of £&@" all. Active recovering is what they now do. You also have to take into account the structure of the match day (s) . For example if the squad has a 10 hour journey, a late evening kick off with a night time finish and a long return journey, then realistically those players are not expected to be doing any training the next day as it will already be taking place by the time the travelling is done. Then the following day they will be given recovery activities to take part in that help keep their physical state where it needs to be and any niggles will be looked at. That is 2 days without football drills not 2 days of doing nothing. This is standard across most clubs not an LFC thing. Also the day before a match they lighten up training. Meaning the number of sessions per week to work on specific items are limited and not every session per day is available to work on just one thing.
27 Sep 2017 19:03:52
Mate, don't worry, I have a bit of knowledge in that field and the dietary field.
I have trained professional athletes in a previous profession before my current one, I'm not a spring chicken sadly.
I did mention that they do warm down sessions/ massages, did you fail to see that in my post?
I have never said they do nothing on recovery days buddy, you need to read my post again I would suggest as I think you have missed my point entirely, as I was correcting the time of recovery that was suggested by another poster higher up the thread.
The day before matches they work on match specific tactics and perform various drills.
What kind of training are you suggesting I was on about and where did I say it?
I think you have misunderstood my post or simply not read it Freshst.
27 Sep 2017 12:40:06
does anyone know where i can watch the Liverpool games, not the live games, eg missed the game last night and was hoping someone could point me towards a site that would let me catch up.
27 Sep 2017 13:39:30
footytube (dot) com usually shows decent quality highlights. Sometimes you may have to settle for Spanish or Russian commentary occasionally.
27 Sep 2017 13:50:24
Hi LFCSTE29. I'm a technophobe who recently decided it was worth paying for bt sport so I could watch liverpool in Europe. A few days after I committed to BT and ordered the box someone told me how to live stream the liverpool games for free, and it's easy, even for me, someone that is useless with computers.
You go to reddit soccer stream, type that in Google, then sign up with reddit, which is free. Then there Ard loads of different games to pick. You want to go to the one with liverpool, I can't remember the name but it had "nav" in it. You will see it on the screen. And you're away. I think you need to enable your flash in advanced settings before you can watch it. Best to do that first I guess.
I hope that makes sense mate, the games are always brilliant to watch even if the results have been frustrating.
27 Sep 2017 14:11:55
thanks for the responses guys will have a look now.
{Ed001's Note - try here: http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch
27 Sep 2017 18:15:25
Superred, I thing the website you're referring to is Navixsport. Really good website, always high quality. Only draw back is that it's usually an american stream so half time analysis is dire. I use Reddit to find streams too can't beat it.
28 Sep 2017 06:44:19
Just commenting so I can find this information easily again later, thank you.
27 Sep 2017 12:19:38
Also another question if possible -
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{Ed002's Note - You are oin the wrong page - this is the Liverpool page. I am not going to answer questions about random players.}
27 Sep 2017 12:14:45
Just want to say it was great watching young Trent last night, he had a good game by anyone's standards but I just wanted to say how impressed I was because in the last few games he's looked a bit nervous, tired, and error prone, he looked back to his best last night, shows great mentality that to drag himself up rather than let it go to his head, I know Moscow didn't test him too much but that's not really the point, he was good when called upon.
On another note why is coutinho taking corners? Should be Trent every time, would like to see him in the mix for taking free kicks as well.
27 Sep 2017 13:11:56
Someone tell him that it is a throw in and not .
Other than that he did well.
Cheers.
27 Sep 2017 13:59:48
He is not a natural defender. He is being primed for midfield, maybe a winger. Going forward he is very exciting to watch, reminded me a little of young Rashford with his step overs and direct style. You can see that he is a highly confident young lad and getting regular games for a top six team, at his age is pretty amazing. Defencively he is ok but is still quite slight, he needs to get a bit bigger or he will be bullied in midfield at Stoke or west Bromwich. A little surprised that solanke and gomez made it on the 25 man nomination for the Golden Boy award and Trent isn't? Maybe I'm a year or two.
27 Sep 2017 11:56:50
Had a conversation this morning about last nights game and the conversation came to Sturridge but an interesting question arose, now its a game of what if, so hers the question.
If Sturridge never had an injury would we be calling him a world class striker today ( now i know in the premise of reality we wouldn't have got him from chelsea for 12m if he hadnt been a risk but leave that aside)
so Eds and fellow posters what's the opinion.
{Ed002's Note - He left Chelsea because he wanted to play as a centre forward and Chelsea had Drogba playing there (and he had suffered some injuries) - although no one denies that on form he is a good player. This (not being at CF) made him sulk and he was sold. Liverpool fans are obsessed with terms like "world class" without really thinking what it sensibly means. If you take it as being a squad of 25 players and one coach picked from around the world to play in the Intergalactic Super Cup, then I doubt anyone but his mother would include him in this "world class squad".}
27 Sep 2017 12:38:55
Ed who would make your 25 player squad for the Intergalactic super cup?
{Ed002's Note - I will tell you what, given that there is little transfer news right now, we can have a thread a day where we can gradually build the 25 man squad and a couple of coaches that we can get folks agreeing would be the best. We can use the Banter page for this and it will be one thread per day - I will dictate the formation of GK, RB, CB, CB, LB, DM, DM, RW, CM/AM, LW, CF and Coach. The squad will be buit around 3 GK, 2 RB, 4 CB, 2 LB, 3 DM, 2 RW, 3 CM, 1 AM, 2 LW, 3 CF and 2 Coaches.
I will start the first thread today - allowing people to sensibly discuss and agree three goalkeepers. Posts which are trying to mess up the thread will be deleted, as will anything mentioning any of the Liverpool goalkeepers.}
27 Sep 2017 13:12:56
Out of interest Ed002, which coach would be the one you would go for in such an Intergalactic Super Squad?
I won't bore you by asking which 25 players would go in! Just the one manager who you see as the world's best will do!
{Ed002's Note - I will tell you when we get to coaches.}
27 Sep 2017 18:11:54
I think to say there are only 25 world class players on the whole planet is a bit too elitist. Not knocking you ed02 my mate its your opinion. I called Hendo an lallana near to world class when I was getting carried away a few weeks ago so you can see our definitions are miles apart!
People talk about world class but the term "Form" is rarely mentioned. Even the very best players, like Bale, have bad games. Or even bad seasons. Ronaldo, he has poor matches, where his pass are yards off, his runs are too early.
So your undoubtedly world class player can play poorly. And on the same evening you could have Bournemouth's josh king scoring two absolute worldies and getting the most beautiful assist. In the paper king got a 9 and Ronaldo got a 6. It's not like fifa where you have a set skill level. Like the eds say, football is a transient thing and in a way form is too.
Between August and December in 2016 Adam Lallana was really really good. It felt like something was going to happen every time he got the ball and it quite often did. The only thing I would like to see more of from Ads is a more clinical finish. I think there are plenty of potential world class players.
We have one, nearly two and maybe a third but that remains to be seen, he has started very well, if he continues and ends up with 30 goals then he has to become a candidate for the elusive world class label.
27 Sep 2017 18:57:13
It is a good point about world class being a long term not short term thing. Without the injuries I think Sturridge would have been one of the best forwards in the world. World class is questionable. The 25 player squad idea doesn't work for me because it is possible for the 25 world class players to all play in just 2 or 3 positions. Personally I think world class should be judged against the past players and your true ability against them and your peers plus how they consistently impact the game. Ronaldo and Messi are world class, Rooney never was (and I've never understood why anyone thought he was) and I don't think Sturridge would have been.
27 Sep 2017 11:43:50
Desperate for some good news Liepzic are not doing very well in CL we might get a nice surprise in Jan ho hum.
{Ed002's Note - It is possible but it would be necessary for Liverpool to pay even more for the player.}
27 Sep 2017 13:38:49
Naby ain't coming in Jan, IMO.
27 Sep 2017 11:20:37
Not playing brilliantly at times ( thought we played well last night ) so far his season, defence still at odds, struggling to score of late.
Only 2 points behind Chelsea and still a great challenge of qualifying for the CL knock out stages.
Looking forward to when we do start to click.
27 Sep 2017 13:41:53
Drogie, how dare you post common sense on these boards? Did you not know that per the media and social media, we are in free fall, in a relegation scrap and Klopp is in the fight of his life to keep his job? Lol! Great post.
27 Sep 2017 08:01:12
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new player profile about, Joey Barton
27 Sep 2017 08:41:10
That photo is a bit harsh Ed.
Dog pooh doesn't belong in prison for a start.
{Ed001's Note - good point.}
27 Sep 2017 08:42:25
I think the image you've used works perfectly.
27 Sep 2017 08:54:52
you wasted a lot of time typing that ed001, you could have stopped with the photo and it would be enough.
{Ed001's Note - true. It did take a hell of a lot of typing before I just realised I was wasting my time!}
27 Sep 2017 09:13:21
I switch off the radio every time that muppet comes on.
27 Sep 2017 09:16:05
Another interesting article ed dude. I've always hated him but I can understand why home fans like him. Only 1 England cap. Says it all. Does anyone know who that cap was against?
The guy is a monster, he is a throw back from the eighties, people who associate football with violence. The game has moved on as more money I'd involved, there is no place for that kind of scumbag in football todat. Betting on games he plays in? What! Why isn't he in jail?
{Ed001's Note - because it wasn't his fault, it never is, it was all the fault of the FA for allowing betting companies to sponsor the game. Everything about him is blamed on someone else. He is exactly what the picture suggests.}
27 Sep 2017 09:29:13
I met joey Barton on a flight once, calling him a cowardly, nasty and vicious little scumbag is a bit unfair ed, your giving cowardly, nasty and vicious little scumbags a bad name by comparing them to joey Barton, such a shame joey couldn't fit through a plane window, the several people he insulted that day would have enjoyed chucking him out at 38000 feet.
{Ed001's Note - it is hard to describe him properly without the use of swear words to be honest!}
27 Sep 2017 10:45:36
What a waste of talent too. He didn't play for england much because of his conduct in his private life. He was quite good for a couple of seasons. Also, the era of Gerrard znd lampard (the guy who NEVER passed to gerrard)
27 Sep 2017 10:31:24
Jokes aside Ed01, That picture was harsh. He might be anything but you can’t use that picture mate!
Just my opinion!
{Ed001's Note - well I did and it fits the lad and most of his family. If you knew them you would not argue.}
27 Sep 2017 11:19:37
Ed01 It's a huge disgrace for that Dog poo!
27 Sep 2017 11:57:07
Bloody hell Ed I never realised his rap sheet was that bad even Petrochelli and Rumpole couldn't defend that.
27 Sep 2017 12:40:31
Ed001, you've proper ruined my morning with this article 😂 I'm actually seething inside at how lightly he has got off. Not to mention that my taxes are paying fir him to broadcast his opinion nationwide.
I need a lay down mate 😥
Sorry about my reply that didn't get posted by the way. Think my emotions got too much and i made it a bit too political for these pages 😂.
{Ed001's Note - sad that the little blert thinks he is hard done by. He really should take some time and realise just how lucky he is to have the life he does and treasure it.}
27 Sep 2017 06:24:35
Salah to me is the best prospect Liverpool have after Suarez.
He is as good as greizman or Ronaldo in getting to scoring positions.
If only his finishing can be improved, I see him scoring every game.
If you watch the whole games played this season, he missed lot of easy ones. But important point is he find himself infront of rebounds and all.
Also it would be better for firmino to play no 10 role. or false 9, am more than happy to find mane as no 9.
Firmino usually drop a bit to get the ball and and has good understanding trickery compared to Gini I also don't fancy him in wings either.
27 Sep 2017 06:59:04
And your point is to buy a striker! Napoli plays similar to us in all department! Mertens lead their line and he is no natural striker either! They score in abundance and miss in abundance!
27 Sep 2017 07:12:02
Salah really should have scored last night, instead of shorting with his left foot, he could have placed this ball into the net with his right.
27 Sep 2017 07:21:30
To work both Firmino and Coutinho in the midfiled you need a world class holding / Defensive midfielder.
27 Sep 2017 07:28:56
As good as our scoring record is our miss record is greater. We've had 121 shots in our last 6 games and scored 7 of them. Hopefully this is our rough patch that we adheaerd last jan and Klopp finds the solution. Otherwise we could be competing for top 7 and out of the CL come this jan.
{Ed001's Note - there is not a team in the world that converts more chances than they miss.}
27 Sep 2017 07:29:57
No. Harry play mane as no9 as he has played there before. Firminos play style is apt for cam and due to lack of pace, he don't fit in wings either.
27 Sep 2017 07:33:16
I think we need to stop comparing ourselves to other teams as well as an excuse. In last few weeks I've seen us compared to Real for their poor start, our defence compared to Spurs because they conceded 2 in 1 game, our centre backs compared to City's when they're criticised (they've conceded 2 to our 11) and now our attack to Napoli's. Harry I love reading your posts mate but I've got to disagree with you on this one. Other teams strengths and weakness's have no bearing on LFC. If anything we are our own worst enemy.
27 Sep 2017 07:52:59
Ed 01 I agree there mate but 7 in 6 games after 121 shots is poor. I'm not slating the front 4 (including Coutinho here) as I think they're all quality players but we do seem to be in a little slump in front of goal at the moment. For me though this will come good sooner rather than later. Unlike some of our other issues.
{Ed001's Note - exactly, it will come good, the issues are at the back, fix them and we are in good shape.}
27 Sep 2017 08:13:31
The amount of shots we take is a deceptive figure since the majority of them are speculative long range efforts that have no chance of troubling the keeper.
27 Sep 2017 08:45:11
Jerrin
The point is you simply cannot play Firmino anywhere else other than where he is now! And he is too good to be dropped! Without him there exist no pressing from front! Our team is built around Him, Coutinho and Pressing.
27 Sep 2017 09:08:14
Mane is better than Salah.
27 Sep 2017 09:29:17
Agree w/ Harry, here. Napoli play the exact way we do (they are like us, electrifying to watch) and Firmino is perfect for our system. If you play him at CM, it will be like playing him out wide where he is completely useless. Firmino is great for our system as NO striker can do all the work he does. We also score goals and create chances for fun and at warp speed so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We need to take our chances and shore things up at the back which overall, our defence played well as a unit last night, if I may add.
27 Sep 2017 10:35:38
I noticed the thumbs down on rons post. Mane is better than salah. They are both great but for me mane edges it, quite easily really.
Put it this way, if you had to pick one of them go take a penalty to save your life, which one would you pick? Mane obvs, he is one of ghd few blinical finishers we have st the club. Coutinio Can and mane are the most clinical. Great to have Sadio back.
27 Sep 2017 11:25:30
NO other striker? Really.
Suarez, Costa, griezmann? There's 3.
Oh and get this. They all score 20 a season. Wowza.
27 Sep 2017 11:58:12
The thing is that we are making the chances. The problem would be if we weren't. Let's remember 'swings and roundabouts'. At the moment some teams are scoring with every practically shot at goal. There will be matches when they don't score. Although we don't use one full-out striker the 'Fab Four' are all capable of scoring in the same match and we will see this sooner than later. KTF.
27 Sep 2017 13:47:11
Spot on, Ben. We are suffering from that per the opposition where we miss a chance ior two BUT when the oppo. gets their first chance, they score and we are behind the eight ball. This happens in patches BUT not permanent, just as our frustrating profligacy in front of goal will not last. We just have to keep working hard in trying to get better in both boxes.
27 Sep 2017 21:02:37
All teams have periods where they struggle to take their chances. This is when a good defence is vital as while your creating chances and not conceding you can always nick a 1-0 win. Something we can't do at the moment.
27 Sep 2017 04:30:25
Hi ed01, don't you think Firmino has to be dropped for Sturridge? We need a "Harry Kane" alongside Mane and Salah.
{Ed001's Note - no, Firmino might need a rest but certainly not dropping and Sturridge was terrible last night, there is no way he did enough to push himself ahead of Firmino.}
27 Sep 2017 04:43:06
Not related to the OP (apologies RE), but Ed do you think any team will be strong enough to challenge Real Madrid this season?
I don't know what it is about them, but they are just a machine at the moment.
{Ed001's Note - considering they have only won half of their league matches, they are a machine with a lot of niggles in the machinery.}
27 Sep 2017 06:54:13
Danny would need at least a full season without any disruption to come back to his old! He has lost that pace and takes that extra bit of touch! His technique is still first class! That half volley he blasted above the GK proves it!
27 Sep 2017 07:22:06
If we're going to start dropping Firmino for anyone (apart from the odd rotation) it would have to be a striker we can trust to lead the line game in game out. and Sturridge isn't that player, not sure he will be ever again.
27 Sep 2017 07:36:58
I agree I think firmino looked a little jaded but nothing more and to e fair the guy is on the go the whole game every game so it's to be expected.
27 Sep 2017 09:31:57
Agreed Johnbarnes on Firmino. His touch was off and he seemed to be snatching at chances as his last chance when he blazed over w/ o even looking at where the goal was, showed. He may need a rest but Studge was useless as well so there you go.
27 Sep 2017 11:29:04
Firmino has cost us the game. Simple. Stop papering over the cracks and looking for excuses.
I don't get the whole pussy footing Around the Players, if they've played terrible just say it.
The Game has gone, we blew it. Now bring on Newcastle and start scoring all these chances.
27 Sep 2017 13:18:45
Firmino looks like he has a touch of pub player at times. Was aweful yesterday.
He can't play any other position other than pretending as a striker. Pressing striker.
But can't fault him for efforts. Solankee should be getting few more oportunities.
Can is ever so lucky.
Cheers.
27 Sep 2017 13:49:03
Fowler, the whole forward line cost us the game, not just Firmino as Salah and Studge were just as guilty as he was. Stop scapegoating individual players whereas the whole forward line was crap.
27 Sep 2017 16:34:58
Bingo the post was about firmino. But yes of course the whole team is to blame. So they need to come out and beat Newcastle, shooting practice needed beforehand.
27 Sep 2017 17:43:12
Firmino was piss poor last night- from the start his touch let him down and as a Brazilian international he should be finding team mates in the box for a tap in instead of playing it behind them.
He should also have buried that header in the first half.
Hope Klopp realises soon that we need a specialist top drawer striker who will convert theses chances.
27 Sep 2017 03:33:03
Looking at our conversion rate, I don't know if we need a centre forward more or a centre back!
Never thought I would have to say that but looks like many fans will be wondering what might have been with a more clinical and ruthless striker up front.
Firmino really needs to start getting into better goal scoring positions and convert simple tap ins which he seems to be missing as well in the last couple of games. But first, he needs a rest. He looks knackered and could do with a rest. We have enough firepower in Solanke and Sturridge to cope in his absence.
27 Sep 2017 07:22:39
I think you're right about having a rest.
27 Sep 2017 11:31:20
Professional athletes needing a rest after about 7 games.
Give me strength. Stop making excuses, he was poor and needs to find the net against Newcastle.