Liverpool Banter Archive September 27 2014

 

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27 Sep 2014 23:29:43
markovic is only starting because of his price tag. nice to see susos contribution the other night rewarded?

brendans losing credibility with me over the favouritism he shows to certain players

also we need two up top

and i miss mike hooper

randy watson

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Im sure Markovic starts over Suso because he performs better in training and fits the team better on the day. Suso has one decent sub appearance and people are crying out for him as the saviour of our troubles. i'm sure the staff at LFC are much better placed to decide who should be in the starting line up.

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28 Sep 2014 08:08:08
Blocked.

He is starting because of his price tag and BR wants to prove his signings have been a hit.
No mattee how much both Suso and Borini scores or assist. they won't start.
I could understand this.

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I like Markovic as a player, but he had to be carried yesterday by others and was peripheral at best, and has been so far. Like I said, he will need a lot of time to see the bets of him.

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Harry you're talking nonsense, again. Suso has been given numerous chances over the last few years, in games, on loan and in training.

He's failed to take them. Markovic deserves that chance to prove himself one way or the other.

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{Ed001's Note - what chances? Suso deserves a chance as much as Markovic does. He has never been given a real run of games with us.}

28 Sep 2014 09:34:09
Walton

Wasn't Suso loaned immediately once he broke into first team?.

Show me a run of 5 game where he was started?. or atleast he made into bench.

And what's this Eggo?. You need to start players who would benefit the team and appropriate for the situations.

So how many has Allen started compared to Suso?

I am not a big Suso lover, But isn't the team comes first?

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Harry, the team does come first, which is why I don't think Suso starts. His workrate is not up there with the likes of Sterling and Henderson.

Also, you are just spouting nonsensical opinions such as 'Markovic is only starting to over Borini to prove Brendan's signings are a hit', Wasn't Borini a Rodger's signing?

Blocked was spot on with his original assessment of the Suso situation.

The chances I talk about, as I stated, include performances in training, which I assume aren't great, or his time at Almeria, in which he very rarely completed ninety minutes, this in a physically inferior league to the Premiership.

I feel that workrate is the issue with Suso, whether that's down to a lack of application in training or just down to physical limitations, I don't know.

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28 Sep 2014 11:02:52
Walton

Fair point mate.

Both Borini and Alllen were BR's signings.

Borini refused a transfer which pissed off BR. 14 mill. He had a replacement in his mind ( another mysterious name ) which couldn't materialize and the transfer committee bought Balletolli instead.

Allen would continue at LFC for a long term and Borini would be off in the very next window.

I have no clue on Suso training or his work rate. You don't need to run around like a chicken if you are skillfull.

No one is claiming Suso is a world beater. If you think He is not good enough, Y is he on the Bench??

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There is so much ambiguity and prevarication about your post Harry, I don't even know how to respond to that!

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30 Sep 2014 17:18:38
Having a good work rate and to "run around like a chicken" (headless?) are two very different things, Boom.

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27 Sep 2014 23:28:51
Hello! Fellow Reds

Before I begin, I would like to commend most of the supporters who post on this site for keeping things in perspective rather than going crazy like some have and are now saying we are going to finish 7th.

While today's game was really disappointing in terms of the result, but there were a lot of positives like:-

* The defence looked settled for most of the game.

* Lallana and Coutinho both gave good performances.

*Balotelli worked really hard, but he needs to finish better than he has.

Overall, aside for Markovic who clearly needs time to get used to the english game our team gave a decent performance.The team needs to be more clinical and needs to stop dropping to deep and concede goals late in the game.

Now with that aside, I would like everybody to realise that a title challenge is going to be really difficult and getting into the Top 3 or 4 would be great.

Our challengers for these 2 positions are:-

-Arsenal
-Manchester United
-Spurs

While reading some of the posts people are saying 15 points in the bag for us from the next 5 matches.

Before analysing our situation, let's analyse our rivals:-

ARSENAL :-

Current Position-4th (10 points)

Next 5 Fixtures in the BPL:-

Chelsea(a), Hull(H), Sunderland(A), Burnley(H),
Swansea(a)

Chelsea 2-0 Arsenal(Chelsea are too strong for them, Arsenal play Gala mid-week, lot of injuries which were aggravated after the Spurs with Ramsey and Arteta joining the list.)

Arsenal 2-1 Hull(Hull have a decent squad almost got a draw against City, but Arsenal will prevail at The Emirates.)

Sunderland 1-1 Arsenal(Arsenal play Anderlecht away mid week which would take a toll on the squad and Stadium of light is always a difficult place to visit)

Arsenal 2-0 Burnley(Relatively comfortable win at The Emirates)

Swansea 1-0 Arsenal(Anderlecht visit The Emirates mid-week, Swansea are difficult to beat at home and have caused problems to Arsenal in the past.)

Points after 5 games(out of 15):- 7

Total Points after 11 games(out of 33):-17


MANCHESTER UNITED:-

Current Position:- 7th (8 points)

Next 5 fixtures:-

Everton(H), WestBrom(A), Chelsea(H), City(A),
Crystal Palace(H)

United 1-1 Everton(United have a shaky back-line, Rooney misses this game, Falcao RVP Mata start for the first time and Everton will have Coleman back for this game)

WB 1-3 United(United have too much quality for them)

United 0-2 Chelsea(Jose rarely gets anything wrong during the big games, Costa Hazard and Fab vs United's defence only has one winner written all over it)

City 2-1 United(The Etihad, one of the toughest stadium to visit in the PL, rarely teams get points off them unless you're Stoke)

United 3-0 Palace(United at OT will be just too strong for Palace)

Points after 5 games(out of 15 points)-7

Total Points after 11 games(out of 33 points)-15


SPURS:-

Current Position:- 8th (8 points)

Next 5 fixtures :-

Southampton(H), City(A), Newcastle(H), Villa(A),
Stoke City(H)

Spurs 1-1 Southampton(One of the form teams in the league visit The Lane, both sides will be happy with the draw.)

City 2-0 Spurs(City are too good at the Etihad and Spurs are very inconsistent.)

Spurs 2-1 Newcastle(Will have enough for a struggling Newcastle side at home.)

Villa 2-2 Spurs(Villa will have Benteke back for the game and both sides will cancel each other out in midfield.)

Spurs 2-1 Stoke(Tough game for both sides, but Spurs have more quality and playing at home would be enough for them to overcome Villa.)

Points after 5 games(out of 15) - 8

Total Points after 11 games (out of 33)-16


LIVERPOOL:-

Current Position :- 12th (7 points)

Next 5 fixtures:-

WestBrom(H), QPR(A), Hull(H), Newcastle(A), Chelsea(H)

LFC 2-0 WB(Relatively straightforward WB are struggling, we would have Sturridge back in the starting XI.)

QPR 1-3 LFC (Really tricky fixture knowing our history with them, but we have more than enough quality for them.)

LFC 2-1 Hull (Real Madrid visit mid-week, Hull are decent will play for a draw, but At Anfield we should win.)

NEWCASTLE 2-2 LFC (Tough fixture, even though Newcastle are struggling at home they're good enough and we face Swansea mid-week which would take a toll on the squad)

LFC 0-2 CHELSEA(Hate to predict this but we travel to Madrid mid-week, Chelsea are just too good and our back-line would struggle against 2 top teams in one week)

Points after 5 games (out of 15) -10

Total Points after 11 games (out of 33)-17


I might be wrong with most of my predictions and many of wouldn't agree, but as you can see we would be level on points with Arsenal and ahead of United and Spurs after the next 5 games.So I just hope we all support our team through the tough times and not be negative after every bad result like today.

I know this post is really long.Thanks for reading would love to get your views.

Also thanks to the ED's for posting this

Cheers

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I really don't see the point in doing such precise predictions. At the end of the day all the teams will play all the other teams. I don't think you can give any prediction about us given how inconsistent we are. At least without Sturridge (and who knows when will he be back in the starting 11) we are quite poor in the last third. I am not sure about the other predictions as well. I wasn't very impressed with Everton's defence today (or when they conceded 3 from Palace last week) so I would be surprised if ManU score only one goal against them in OT. let's see us first win more than one game in a row, being able to keep a one goal lead, let alone clean sheet, and not concede in the last 10 minutes, before we can be say anything optimistic about our future this year with confidence.

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Thanks for your view fanobip.

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28 Sep 2014 08:10:23
UTD ll always score with or without injuries. They have a world class forward line.
they are conceding goals courtsey of their defence which would be rectified in Jan.

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Very good.

Rodgers stated last season that we need to average 2 points a game to guarentee top 4. After 11 games you get a feel for a team's (our team) form. Based on your predictions we would be 5 points off Rodgers own target, the same as we are now.

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28 Sep 2014 08:47:59
LFC_1234

Credit for the long post, But this is desperate attempt to save our own face.
You would have included both Villa and West ham in the list ( Wins ), provided the list was out 2 weeks back. Ryt mate??

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First of all thanks for replying Boom.

Both Villa and West Ham were in decent form but I would have predicted a Home win against Villa and a draw against West Ham.

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27 Sep 2014 23:23:29
Edd002 any reason lori was never really given a proper chance?

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{Ed002's Note - Ilori was simply another bad buy.}

27 Sep 2014 23:50:43
Thank you ed 2

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28 Sep 2014 09:01:53
Ed002. How many more are you anticipating?

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27 Sep 2014 21:51:38
"I really want to apologise to the club, the supporters and every person who felt offended when I left the stadium this afternoon. I'm aware that it was a bad choice from my part to go isolating to watch the game !" - Sakho

Interesting times around here.

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At least he apologized and he will be dealt with internally. Leave the boy alone.

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Wasn't aware I was bothering him, redohio.

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I'd be pissed off too if Skrtel was starting ahead of me.

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Not surprised he is pissed.

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{Ed002's Note - Why is anyone surprised?}

Stormed out when told he wasn't playing, grow up FFS. If certain other players would've done that they'd have been slated on here.

He could've done with staying and watching the game, actually, and he might've seen that it's the most solid we've looked at the back for a good few games.

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The beloved Agger (beloved to many on here) also used to bitch especially under Rafa whenever he got benched. Every player wants to play so not surprised he was pissed at being dropped. Just feel players need to handle theselves better and stop being petulant and childish about it.

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Being pissed off is fine. Being unprofessional and disrespectful towards the club is not.

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27 Sep 2014 21:45:20
eds reds is it true sakho stormned out of anfield after being left out of the squad today? thanks

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{Ed002's Note - He left early.}

Would not blame him

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27 Sep 2014 20:11:50
Frustration.
That's the overriding emotion.
Thought we played well and I think overall if you look at the last two games we have improved a little. Not much but a little.
I think we deserved to win today and were unlucky to concede a great goal.
What has nothing to do with luck though is the way we decided to sit on a goal lead in a derby.
We had opportunities to create a second goal and our players literally at times turned around and played keep ball rather than go for the 2nd with 15 minutes to go.
That's really my only beef.
It was a good performance overall.
We have started the season poorly and we are lucky to be only 9 pts off the top.
However what is required is a bit of patience and belief that our manager and players will turn it around.
The old saying goes that you only look to your next game but I think we have reached the stage where we have to win our next 3 league games and hope that brings us a little closer to the top.
Listen, I am an optimistic fan but its clear that this team needs some work before we hopefully start to see the shoots of recovery.
Sturridge's injury has come at a bad time and unlike last year when he carried the goal scoring burden when Suarez was banned he has been badly missed this time around.
What is needed is a bit of realism, this team has potential and has only just been put together but there is no denying that there is lots of improvement needed but with Sturridge returning soon that should help.
The table does not lie though and hopefully the start to the season serves as a kick up the backside of the players that they have to work harder and play smarter.

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27 Sep 2014 20:05:19
Mario Balotelli reminds me of Andy Caroll a lot, only that he makes more headlines and has an exotic name.

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27 Sep 2014 22:30:50
Or more because he gets standing ovations whenever he chooses to put in a shift and have a new haircut.

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Where as Lukaku done all!

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Or maybe because Balo`s a better fotballer who can strike a dead ball w/ precision and has led his national team to the final of a major tournament while Carroll is a drunk who can`t stay fit to save his own life due to his wasteful lifestyle.

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Get your brain checked. It's like saying a banana reminds you of the International Space Station.

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27 Sep 2014 19:33:42
Why all the negativity?
It took a 'worldy' for them to get a draw they should not have had and if it had stayed 1-0 we would have been saying that this was the performance that was needed.
The performance didn't change just because they scored a goal that probably 99 times out of 100 he hits row 50 or the corner flag.
On top of that we have got City, Chelsea & Everton out of the way from the first round of fixtures and we are STILL only 3 points off of 4th and 4 off of 3rd.
We have the 2nd best striker in the league from last season to return and there were a lot of glimpses today of some of the old attacking verve coming back.
Thought Lallana was MOM today.
Gerrard didn't look too bad considering his 'legs have gone', 'he's too old', 'past it', 'can't play more than a game a week'.

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Must have missed the Chelsea match, how did we do?

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27 Sep 2014 20:09:14
I am disappointed, Coz. Everton were there for taking. They themselves came for a draw and had no shots on target.
We should have dead and buried them in the first half.
2 strikers would have done the job today.

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90 (or more) out of 100 times Gerrard's free kick doesn't go in either. We were better than we have been, but still weren't good enough, simple as.

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Post of the day

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27 Sep 2014 21:09:05
Sorry, meant Spurs not Chelsea. Easy mistake to make I suppose considering how alike they both are ;-)
Yes Everton were there for the taking, but an equaliser they didn't deserve shouldn't take away from what was a better performance and we are only 3 points off 4th.
We have played two of our supposed rivals for 4th place and have played one of the two favourites for the title.
We are only going to improve.
Look at the last two seasons. It's been from November-January onwards that we've hit top form.
All is not lost.yet

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Regarding why the negativity, I think that if we would have started the season well and taken points from our games with AV and WHU, or if today was our first game, we could have lived with the result, especially as we looked better in many areas (including defensively) and probably for the first time this year we can feel we deserved a better result. However, given all the points that we already lost, we just desperatley need to win these home (or almost any non Chelsea or Man City games).
Also, while we played better in many aspects today, our finish was really poor, and this did not improve from day 1 this year . You may hope that this will improve when Sturridge is back but he is injury prone and without him we don't have enough threat in the final third. Also, Everton, like Spurs played quite an open games. With teams that will close the game and park the bus we will need to be even more clinical and take the 1 or 2 chances that we may have in the game.

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Boom, we def need to play with 2 strikers, it's an absolute must, I agree

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27 Sep 2014 21:54:04
Coolie

I am afraid, we won't be without Sturridge, Makes me wonder, y did we ever bring in Lambert and kept Borini?

Those who feel we are one better off last season this time, should get a reality check, Are we going to beat Everton at Goodison?. Would we beat City at home?

No Assurance.

And what if Sturridge gets injured again. When is the next international starting up?

I am sorry 7 points from a possible 18, I can't feel any positive.

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27 Sep 2014 19:04:23
Ay we've started off bad but much better performance today and while I highly doubt we will be challenging for the title we're basically level with the main top four threat of Everton arsenal spurs and United. Next 5 games are easier on paper and 12+ points from them and we'll most likely be ahead of these four.

So what's with the over reactions? If arsenal spurs and United had won all their games there may be need for panic but I've seen nothing to suggest we're not as good as these playing badly I might add.

And teams like villa Southampton won't sustain it over a full season I can guarantee it!

So let's get behind the team in the next 5 games hopefully have sturridge get some game time on Tuesday and we'll be laughing! Then just get ballotelli one prem goal at the kop end and he could go on a streak he did everything bar score today and he is still getting chances so he will score, just need time.

Bottom line lads chin up still plenty to play for and plenty better days ahead!

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Agree, better performance, and really, we were never troubled by Everton throughout the game.

I'm hoping we built on this performance when we play next in the league and get a win.

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27 Sep 2014 18:27:14
Enough with Suarez!
You guys screaming he would of scored and assisted and bla bla bla forget he was banned? Doesn't anyone remember he would be eligible to play NEXT MONTH? it amazes me that this simple fact does not even cross your mind! Do you also remember how many chances he would miss his first couple of seasons? Support your team and its players fellas otherwise the future is bleak!

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Posted the exact same thing earlier.

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27 Sep 2014 18:05:36
Ed01, If you are here around.

Hope you had a cracking Saturday.

Whats your view on the Match?

I have couple of questions regarding the game

1. Isn't it not clear, Ballo being the lone striker won't work?

2. Markovich ahead of Suso and Countinho?. Has BR become a very stubborn man or He hardly have got anything on the game?

Would love to hear from you on the game Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - I deliberately missed it, as the last time we played well we battered Spurs, since then I haven't missed a game and we have been poor. I may as well have watched it though as it turned out, it obviously isn't that lucky missing games, except against Spurs!}

27 Sep 2014 18:16:16
ED01. Lucky you. disappointment written all over. I couldn't sit with my frndz here. and Goshh. another long weekend of mocking and Sarcasm.

Ed01, I did say to you 3 days back. Markovic on the right side is a waste of space. he should be played centrally, Much like sterling and Robben ( for Netherland)

ED01. 101 goals were always a too big task for the team, But tell me Ed. Whose going to score at least 70 goals?. I don't see it happening.

Worried.

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{Ed001's Note - unless the team start performing well as a team, no one will score those goals. Suarez and Sturridge needed service to score goals last season. They got plenty of it, this season none of our forwards are getting good service from the rest of the team.}

You are way too supersticious ed haha

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{Ed001's Note - I know mate, but I have only missed 2 Liverpool games in years, both were big wins against Spurs, so I thought I would give it a try as I would never have forgiven myself if I had watched and we lost. Now at least I know that it only helps against Spurs.}

WHy do you think they're not getting enough service ed? Strange considering how many chances we made last season. Shows how important Studge is I guess.


Cheers mate

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{Ed001's Note - we aren't getting enough movement from the team, full backs are getting forward too early and closing off space, midfield are not pressing as high up the pitch, midfield are not getting forward with the same energy as last season. Players don't know each other's games yet, so a lot of the issues could be from that, but there is no excuse for the lack of pressing high up the pitch. This dropping off lark is crap, it doesn't work unless you intend to sit deep and throw bodies in the way.}

27 Sep 2014 19:24:39
Ed01. Spot on.

Pressing up high was the main problem till today, But we did press high and Henderson was solid. And you know, When He press up high, we are basically in good shape.

Starting Markovic was yet another gamble, which weren't needed.

Surprised to see Everton came for a draw and got a point.

Balletolli needs a partner, what's it hard to understand ed?

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{Ed001's Note - managers see different things mate, they have a fear of losing, which we don't sat at home.}

28 Sep 2014 08:58:40
ED01, If you are available.

Do you think after the 6 games and the Press constantly taking us down in each and every headlines, FSG would have had a talk with BR and coaching staffs.

The amount of disappointment and fear in social medias and public are pretty high.

Press and Media ain't helping us, It would defo reach their ears, Ain't it?

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{Ed001's Note - I doubt the media will have any influence on them out there in the USA mate.}

27 Sep 2014 17:29:30
Guys its over. We are getting relegated tomorrow. Forget top 10.
Even with a fully fit squad and no new players we can't seem to win . It's over.

Tongue firmly in cheek

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27 Sep 2014 18:19:02
Reet

You must be surrounded with a lot of Liverpool supporters. But I am not and am being taken out by everyone and rightly so.

I have nothing to say other than conceding, we are pretty average without Sturridge and Suarez.

Reet mate. and wheres your attackers and midfeildes, who were supposed to replace Suarez goals.

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27 Sep 2014 17:10:04
Eds fellow reds, just looked at our next 5 game I expect max points 15 if not then rodgers could be staring down the barrel .not in order hull, wba, Newcastle, QPR, swansea .

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27 Sep 2014 18:22:16
There is no easy game in the PL. during the past few seasons we lost points to all 5 .

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27 Sep 2014 18:24:20
Baring QPR, All others could score goals against us. and Its down how many would we score.
Hull scored 2 against City today.

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We should get the 15 points, but don't hold your breath on that, more like 11 or 12, just need sturridge to start scoring and stay fit, we will climb up the league then .

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And that's the number of points we need to get us back on track for a top 4 finish. We've got it in us to do. But we have to start believing we can.

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27 Sep 2014 16:37:43
Finally a performance that showed some signs of improvement now let's hope the results will follow

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Rightfully said! BR got the selection right with Hendo next to SG which freed him up and allowed the play to flow. Studge cannot get back quick enough because w/ his movement, We would have had a better chance of winning. Even then, we defended well and our pressing game showed signs of revival. Just got doone by a 35 yard strike from a central defender who won`t score that type of goal ever in his life. We build on this and we go again on Wed.

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27 Sep 2014 16:22:43
Wow, what a difference one hard working, skillfull, natural, world class player can make. Missing Suarez too much?

And can anyone tell me the difference between Ballotelli and Andy Carroll? Except injuries.

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27 Sep 2014 18:11:01
No matter, How much some here pretend, A player like him is always missed.
He would have scored those two and assisted another two today.
Just into 7 games and we are looking like wasting all the hard work done last season.

Finally to others. Sturridge could be injured again, His history shows it.

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27 Sep 2014 18:27:03
can anyone tell me the difference between Ballotelli and Andy Carroll?

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Huge difference, work rate for a start on the pitch and training ground

As for Suarez, its simple , we did n't replace him adequately, we did a Spurs and wasted the money on few average players instead of one of similar type.

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He would have done NOTHING of the sort because he would have been suspended for biting at the WC or did you people forget that as well. Clueless posts from fickle fans.

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27 Sep 2014 18:56:37
You just knew when you saw Suarez that Harry would be lurking. No one said we aren't missing him. It's just annoying that everything goes back to Suarez. He's gone, dear god let it go or go watch Barcelona b squad.

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27 Sep 2014 19:32:41
TJred

I loved that TJ. can't blame me or quiet a lot. Would take some time to erase it completely.

He gave me close to 45 Brilliant Sundays and Mondays. Where I was taking on most of my frndz last season.

Lols.

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27 Sep 2014 15:28:23
Much better performance thought lallana was unbelievable today, you talk about a player that doesn't stop running, well he just didn't stop sprinting today. ballotelli did well when he didn't have the ball until he became more and more frustrated just need sturridge back and I'm sure we can get back to winning ways

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27 Sep 2014 16:00:50
7 points from a possible 18. Untill you don't score that second goal, you would never win a game.
Lallana was bought to create and score goals.

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Yes a def improvment, but we are still conceding silly last minute goals, need sturridge up front, and a better tactical finish to our games, we are gifting goals, top four maybe out of our reach, even at this stage, can't believe how bad we are defending the last few mins of each game, we need a defensive coach big time, BR looks lost, and making bad decisions, bad subs, thought he had kopped on last season, I would not have started with that team .

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Yeah you're right boom I mean if you don score a second you never won I mean I don't remember ever seeing a 1-0 win in my life.

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27 Sep 2014 16:38:22
Red

TBH Mate, BR didn't made a single tactical substitution last time.
He had very few players at his disposal and We were cruisng along most of the games with goals flying around.

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Of the new attacking signings today only Adam looked a good fit for the way we play. Lazar seemed overawed by the occasion and was well of the pace in the first half. Mario is extremely frustrating, his goal scoring record is far from prolific and today probably showed why.

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Sorry to say this redforever.

That strike by Jagielka was awesome.Perfect connection and 9 times out of 10 would have sailed over the bar.

Our defence now gives a clear picture

Manquillo or Johnson at RB
Skrtel and Lovren at CB
Moreno LB

Hopefully they settle well now.

But the main reason we drew is our Finishing.

Balo wasted 2 good chances, but impressed with his work rate.

Need Sturridge back ASAP.

Lallana and Coutinho looked good as well.

Overall improving as players settle in.Hopefully the wins start to come.

Cheers.

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Are you serious? Jagielka's goal was an absolute worldy, He will never score one like that in his career again!

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I agree with lfc_1234.I thought defensievly we weren't too bad today until the last minute which was a wonder goal. also midfield was ok today. We got quite easily to thier box and found a lot of spaces around their box but the finish, final pass or cross or shot on goal was shocking as in all games so far. Still when Sturridge are back and against teams that don't park the bus we can be a bit more optimistic. but top 4 is out of the questio

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I did say it was a great shot great goal in another post, and like you, say that we need sturridge back, we have conceded a late goal now in three of our six games, only won two games so far, we had that game in the bag, when the put up that 3 mins left, everton bombed forward, we had all outfield players parked on edge of peno area, with a big sign, come forward and have a pot, we brought on a slow forward, once again, we should have brought on a defender, to close the game down, when leading, yes things will improve when all back from injuries, but so many points lost, hard to get them back . just hope sturridge can stay fit .

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Pointless post.we deserved to win and were undone by a wonder strike simple as that.what team would you have started with red

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27 Sep 2014 18:08:31
Fanobip

If top 4 is out of the question, Y are we playing football?? and what are we actually playing for?

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Lfc, I don't agree. I think it should be lovren and sakho as centre backs, Moreno as rb and manquillo as lb. skrtel is good but for me, sakho has a bit more to him, even if he looks like he's about to fall down everytime he kicks or passes the ball lol.
And let's be honest, what is BR playing at.buying players and then never giving them a chance? How can you keep an £18m player on the bench? Does he like wasting money just for the fun of it?

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27 Sep 2014 18:29:34
Jessie

It was clear Marko needs time and a new position where He could actually play better.

Ballo, Lone striker system won't work and If BR don't trust Lambert and Borini. then I have nothing more to add.
He started in 3 games as lone striker and it didn't work.

Suso could have been a very good choice to start the game ahead of Markovic.

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NOTHING is out of the question at this point because we still have a whopping 32 games left. 3 wins in a row and we`re back in business. At least, we`re showing signs of life while our pressing game seems to have been revived and the fullbacks are bedding in well (Moreno bullied Lukaku all all game while McGeady got marked out by Manquillo). We build on the perf. and we go again in the CL on wed you know, that competition that other teams like Neverton, the rags from Old Toillet, and Spurs would kill to be in.

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Jesse I really think the team is improving, and when sturridge comes back, he will def bring goals, but that's just another home game that we have not won, and I am counting the Boro game as well, I would not have started markovic, as he is clearly not ready yet, my main point today, is the same that is in the Echo, that we dropped deeper and deeper, and invited everton on, and yes it was a great strike for their goal, but what I am saying is that, if we had someone up front, in the last few mins, maybe their defenders would have stayed further back, and not be having free shots on our goal, its obvious we should have bought a mobile clinical striker with all the money that we had, still its clear we were the better side, and should have seen this game out .

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@LFC_1234, yes it was a wonder goal from Jagielka. But keep in mind that, Gerrard's goal was special too and if Tim Howard had reacted quick enough, he could have kept it out. So, a fair result. United are already ahead of us. History is repeating itself. We're once again failing to follow up a 2nd place finish.

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It was a wonder goal by jagielka, simple as that.I really don't know how you try to look for who to blame after that red

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27 Sep 2014 14:42:58
Balo is so frustrating to watch at times, he doesn't make the right runs, he hardly puts any work in and still gets a Heros reception. He couldn't even finish that effort from 1 yard out. What tops it off is that we santi on the purchase of a raw talent like markovic who is in awe of playin at anfield and is non existent. Why not buy players that are already at a high level for that sort of price. I just think we've shot ourselves in the foot, when we sold suarez and bought so badly. Lallana, Moreno and manquillo are the only ones that have showed their worth it. I'm tired of being so negative about the team, yes we overachieved last season but this season it's seems we've regressed drastically. 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses is a very bad return when you look at some of the games.

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27 Sep 2014 16:03:14
He put a ton of work in. Don't know what game you were watching.

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27 Sep 2014 16:18:09
Tjred

He himself describes in media and public that He is a class above any other striker in the world.
Got 2 decent chances and any other world class striker would have put the ball back in the net.

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Borini puts a lot of work in and gets nothing but abuse for it. Just saying.

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Not sure that we should have started with markovic, I do hope he is one for the future, but starting today, no way, we needed stronger players to cope with a derby, he needs a spell in the reserves to toughen up, then he will come good, did we spend wisely, don't think so, as bad as united are, if they win today they go above us, there are plenty above us now .am not a happy camper after that ending .

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27 Sep 2014 16:44:00
RDL

Lols. That was epic mate.

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27 Sep 2014 16:53:47
If Balotelli were half as good as the amount of attention he receives he'd probably be the best striker in the world. He did work fairly hard today though, so I appreciate that.

Lallana I thought was excellent and for the most part the team as a whole was good. Intensity was better as well as movement. Having to rely on a Gerrard free kick to score is a bit worrisome though as is a -1 good after 6 games.

As for the oft-maligned Markovic- Ed002 hit the nail on the head. He's simply not yet ready for this level of play and I suspect his impact on our season this year will be minimal. Potentially great player in the future, but some way to go for him yet.

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With sturridge out I would have started with Borini today, can't believe he was left out, his aggression and running would have put everton under pressure all thru the game, and have someone in the last five mins up front, keeping their defenfers on their toes, and back, we really invited everton forward, and fair play, they took advantage of our poor poor finish to the game, maybe they were told this .

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Id have preferred lambert instead of borini. For all borini's hard effort, he just doesn't cut it for me. Capital one cup game showed this. lots of effort, no end product. After 2 seasons of playing in the epl, he should have developed more but hasn't.

Lambert is strong and a proven goalscorer who can create and score, and always causes defences problems.

Balotelli for me will start scoring. In all the games I've seen him play, he has put lots of effort in. Yes he missed a chance but guess what, it was fantastic if not lucky save by Howard that made it hit the post.

For me, balotelli is a work in progress but I think he will get there.

Markovich will need time. He's come from the Portuguese top league which quite frankly is no way near as physically demanding as epl but he has skill and nice technique, just needs to be able to apply it better.

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Finally! Someone other than me saw Howard`s save. Three inidents cost us today. First, the penalty for Barry`s handball then the wonder save from Howard and that worldy from Jagielka. W/O those incidents, we would have had the 3 points instead settling for 1 point. Balo had a decent game especially in the 2nd hald BUT will improve as the season progresses. BR got it right today (prob Suso should have started in place of Lazar because a derby like this is tough for a new player as raw as he is). As for the season, NOTHING is lost yet because w/ 3 straight wins, u`re back in business for the Top 4. Keep the faith, fellow reds!

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27 Sep 2014 14:40:48
reaching top 4?. . . . hell nooooooooooo

this year it will be wonderful to see. how one sided liverpool were under suarez. and the escapes he got the team out of. . .
no offence to the team but its just average all over the park i think 7th place is where liverpool will come because its just so easy to attack this team and unfortunately for the fans. they will witness a very average season
cant buy a win these days

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Is Red Lobster still keeping up this nonsense ?

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Sturridge back and we will be fine.

We've lost 2 of the best strikers in the league last season.

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I'm the guy who talks about number if points required for top 4 form.

We should be on 12 pts, we are on 7. Does not sound a lot but to claw that back that we need to take something like 25pts out the next 10 games.

We can afford to lose one and draw two.
Can you see that?

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Not sure that we will be fine, way too many bad performances, way too many bad decisions by BR, we are going backward, very poor at times, we need a couple of back to back wins to bring confidence back to the team and fans .

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Red Lobster you need help man.

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27 Sep 2014 17:38:50
People used to say Suarez have the ball away and disrupted our play. Laughable,, best player in the world and we miss him like mad

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For you clueless people talking about having Suarez for the start of the season, may I remind you that he would have STILL been suspended and would have NO bearing on our results so far this year.

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28 Sep 2014 06:06:12
Ed002 is correct, as fans we look like completely fickle jokers and the forums on the lfc.com site are even worse. We're completely without SAS at the this moment in time (granted one has gone for good, but wouldn't have been available at this time regardless). Henderson is sitting far too deep which for me confirms the fact that Gerrard cannot be trusted to hold the midfield together. Granted Markovic does not at this time look ready but how many of you have been crying out for pace on the pitch sterling aside?! Balotelli is not a lone striker, he sits far too deep (ala Rooney on his own up top) and he needs a partner or someone much closer to him.

Too many of our corners didn't even beat the first man today, how can rb be blamed for that?

Calls for BR to lose his job are a complete joke. What we need is a settled cb pairing and energy further up the pitch, which I believe will come with the regained fitness of Allen, or simply switching Lucas for Gerrard (at least on the odd occasion).

Mignolet's commanding of his area and distribution are very questionable, if signed hopefully Valdes can teach him a thing or two on these levels if nothing else.

We've not suddenly become a crap team. Regardless of what ozone, waro etc say our owners are not crap. They dug us out of rubbish street and the handling of the Suarez situation allowed us a path back into the champions league with extra money gained from his sale.

Confidence is clearly low at the moment and one wishes Sturridge was not made of glass but it is what is it. Moreno, Manquillo, Lovren, Can, Origi, lallana are all good buys IMO. Markovic may have come too soon and there will always be question marks over Balotelli but that was definitely reflected in his price.

People just need to chill out and give our team time to gel. Top four and progression through the group stages has to be our aim for this season and we can still achieve that. How people can say we've done a spurs when we had a paper thin squad is beyond me though and as much as I loved Suso coming through the academy you're all clutching at straws, and a reason to gripe to suggest he should be a guarantees starter.

Apologies for the rant, constructive criticism obviously welcome

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Don`t apologize, bro. You`re talking sense. Too bad many on here lack the clear head to undertand the great points u just posted. And you`re right, the official club website should b banned because it has been infiltrated by non-fans (i`m being nice) and infested w/ some of the most vile and despicable comments you will ever read.

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27 Sep 2014 14:40:39
At least there's still the Ryder cup.

Didn't watch the game so would appreciate views, but it sounded like we bossed it but couldn't finish them off our usual problem.

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We were very unlucky not to get the second and killer goal, but having said that, thought BR made a bad sub, think on 86 mins, everton were playing same ball all thru the game, big man V small man, we played right into evertons hand, we had no-one on half way line to pick up any clearances, but more important, to keep their defenders back, we invited them on, yes, great strike great goal but that player should have been kept back marking someone, could we have closed the game any better, too right we should have, BR needs to write this down, he is still young and still learning, not happy with that finish at all .

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27 Sep 2014 16:11:13
Didn't boss anything. Everton had majority of the possession.

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And did what w/ it exactly? Mingo didn`t have a save to make the whole game and did it occur to you that dropping off and allowing a team to have the ball atimes is a football tactic. As for the goal, it was a great strike from THIRTY-FIVE yards out and players were tired as we had pressed them the whole game. Those goals happen and in fact, LFC and especially SG have done that to teams many times over the years (see FA Cup final v West Ham and v Olympiacos in `05 and `06, Luis Garcia v Juventus in `05 and Smicer v Milan in Istanbul). We build on the positives and we go again on Wed in the CL.

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27 Sep 2014 14:39:27
Good idea to play tippy tappy around the edge of the box instead of trying to kill off the opposition. Defending a 1 goal lead with about 10 mins left. . should be ok right?

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They always do that, it is really annoying, as soon as they are winning they piss about and do not bother to try to get forward and score

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Yes no problem, let's give Everton all the shots they want, sure, most will go over the bar, maybe they will get lucky, maybe not, but let's gamble, and put every player on the edge of penalty area, and let all their team attack us .

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Got to agree Yvonne, same old same old, just who is making these tactical decisions, think we need someone more street-wise, way too much nice football being played, we want winning football, or there will be no top four, that's the way I see it .

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Stupid posts from fans who either didn`t watch the game, who are cross-eyed, blind or simply being disingenuous!The goal came from a corner that was well-defended and the shot came THIRTY FIVE yards from goal. How is that tippy-tappy at the edge of the box? It is posts like these that get y blood boiling. It`s like people delibrately change the facts of a game to suit their reason for slating a team tht geve it`s all and got undone by a worldy. So much for people thinking that LFC fans are very knowledgeable.

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28 Sep 2014 07:10:41
Redohio I meant us tippy tapping around the box. Yes jagielkas shot was a cracker but if we went for the throat and scored again it would have been a consolation goal. If you watched the game you would have seen us trying to time waste from around the 80 min mark. Honesty is better than blind loyalty. Everton were shocking and we should have put them away early. Poor tactics with a lone striker that doesn't stay up front ( shift aside) he is there to score goals and he needs support. I would love to hear your "knowledge" as I am sure you will have a reason to justify why we couldn't score from open play against the leakiest defence in the league. Maybe it was the fact that we (Balo) were shooting from long range as we lacked the penetration to break down said defence. I appreciate that the team worked hard but ultimately come the end of the season that won't count for squat. Almost everyone on here agrees that ( proof in the performances) the current set up/tactics are not working.

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You want knowledge, here it is. We couldn`t score because we are lacking confidence, Everton sat deep hence clogging up passing lanes hence long range shooting, Tim Howard made a superb save off Balo who did great to get into that position to begin with, and of course missing players like Studge and Allen who would have allowed us to play 2 up with the ability to score and keep more possession in mid by playins a diamond because Studge`s movement off the ball would have freed up Balo and allowed Everton to account for 2 forwards instead of one. Also, the tactics were spot on as we looked more lively and our pressing game showed signs of life again hence IMO, the tactics were spot on. Subbing a striker who was out of gas for another striker w/ fresh legs to keep the pressing game going from the front was a good call rather than an extra defender who would drop even deeper and allow their cb to become an extra striker which might have yielded the same result. And finally, the season doesn`t last 6 games BUT 38 games therefore, DON`T PANIC. However, we need to get it going ASAP. I`m w/ you there. Class dismissed!

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27 Sep 2014 13:36:05
Watching match on Fox Sports and they're showing pictures at half time of Sakho "storming" out of Anfield just before the match

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27 Sep 2014 16:54:06
something going on with sakho. Ed002 refered to events of august 25th, don't know what that meant, and now today.

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Must have been disappointed he didn`t get the start today. Those things happen in every club on the planet or even in national teams so nothing to see here IMO. Even Agger used to criticize Rafa for not picking him in the `08/`09 season to no harm there. At least he has the passion and deterimination to contribute to our cause. However, he needs to accept the coach`s decision and deal with it because we need everyone on the same page and cannot afford to have players being selfish and egocentric.

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Probably went out to try and find N'Gog.

Seriously though, I suspect he'll be off soon enough and saying things like Agger and Downing if this continues.

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27 Sep 2014 12:40:50
Come on Liverpool. No more complacency. Balotelli needs to step it up today, Mignolet needs to start taking charge at the back and Markovic needs to show what he can do.

I want to see players pressing and working hard to win back the ball when we lose it and I want to see movement.

I'm going 1-1 today, based on the fact that we are always guaranteed to concede and we aren't scoring many at the moment.

If I were being optomistic maybe a 2-1 win.

Red Rum

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27 Sep 2014 12:33:17
Another post where I think the eds are blocking

But anyway purely based on form
A draw is expected
No wins here

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27 Sep 2014 12:06:17
A little bit unexpected, our line-up, however was the expected 4-3-3. Show us what you got. there's no other derby in the world like a merseyside derby, make sure your prepared for that lads.

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27 Sep 2014 12:10:36
Just saw the team sheet, Skrtel back wasn't a surprise and Sturridge not even on the bench?

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27 Sep 2014 11:50:37
No Sakho in the squad?
I hadn't heard of an injury

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27 Sep 2014 12:12:02
We conceded quiet a handful of goals already and He seems clearly no.2 in BR's plans.

Now that makes me wonder how is he keeping both Mangala and Koscielny out from the French team?

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A better gk would make any of our cb combination concede less.

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Cus they play a different brand of football and brendan has 0 idea about playing football defensively

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27 Sep 2014 11:19:44
Given the media speculation surrounding Real Madrid and their purported interest in Raheem Sterling (spurious or not), if, and I emphasise "if", the club were to sell him (putting aside the - he would want to go, etc, etc scenarios), just wondering how would fans view/interpret this?

Would a sale of this nature bring into question whether we as a club have started to slip onto the side of a "selling" club or would we as fans purely look at it as the owners know what they are doing and it must make business sense?

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27 Sep 2014 11:57:45
If the player wants to go and meet our valuation for the player. Transfer happens. its nothing new.

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Man utd sold Ronaldo to Madrid. Its nothing to do with being a selling club but more to do if the player wants to leave.

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27 Sep 2014 10:49:40
Don't think much of Joey Barton, but them comments on Balotelli and Liverpool Football Club on BT sports were bang-on.

I suggest some of you listen to it.

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What comments were they mate? My 3 year old won't let me change the channel so i'm stuck with spiderman haha.

Red Rum

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27 Sep 2014 11:58:34
RedRUm

Lets hope the spider man comes and helps us in trouble.

What were the comments?

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27 Sep 2014 10:27:32
I'll like to see us make a move for Petr Cech in January. Mignolet doesn't cut it for me.

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I would like us to move for no one and sell a few players to get he club out of the FFP investigations.

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27 Sep 2014 10:22:52
Not banter per se, but does anybody know why the the "live" sections of LFC TV are not being broadcast i.e. pre Match discussion, post Match phone-ins, daily News, etc, etc?

Thanks in advance

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{Ed002's Note - Someone mentioned it being revamped.}

Thanks Ed

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27 Sep 2014 08:23:48
Ed002, what's your take on fifa banning 3rd party ownership? Is it a good move in your opinion? Also what happens to players who are already partly owned by a 3rd party?

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{Ed002's Note - This has come as fall out from UEFA's push in recent years and Italy drawing a line across this summer. It means the majority of part ownership involves South America and the Iberian peninsula in Europe. There will be a fight against this from the South American countries who in many cases have clubs that only exist because of part and third party ownership. An off the top of my head list worth thinking about is (1) There will need to be a fight within FIFA and perhaps regulation changes to stand any chance of this happening. (2) It won't happen overnight - perhaps something like 2018 to have agreement and revised regulation in place and perhaps 2020/2021 to have eased it out of the game. (3) FIFA will be aware that this could fall apart with any pan-European breakaway which will likely involve five or six Iberian clubs that are involved third party ownership of players in their teams, plus a number of other clubs (including two or three from England) who are third party owners elsewhere. (4) There will need to be some sort of trade off as I suspect some teams will look to buying players and then loaning them on long-term contract - the rules have just changed from 1 year to 2 years maximum, but that could increase. (5) Those EPL sides that have third party ownership of players' rights could live without them so, in the big scheme of things, I would not see a major issue there.

So a long way to go.}

27 Sep 2014 12:36:00
Thanks ed!

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27 Sep 2014 08:24:44
one of the best videos out there for any Liverpool Fan. A much needed positivity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwQOK6GEDsE

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27 Sep 2014 07:27:22
". All the best wishes to the Lads.

Make us proud and Make us dream.

#here_we_go_again

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Who would disagree with that? Looks like we have some visitors from other pages.

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27 Sep 2014 09:22:20
I think some see the name and disagree without reading AG.

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27 Sep 2014 09:53:18
Fair point Tommy;-)

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Yeah well said, 3points is the main thing but a clean sheet into the bargain would be bang on. everton are a decent team with a leaky defence just like us so i expect goals. have to go to a funeral mass so it will be a sneeky text updates for me

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27 Sep 2014 04:38:37
Sup eds just wanted your opinion on the defence at the minute. Do you think it is down to the signings not being up to standard or is it the coaches fault because something needs to be done or else we will never come close to the title any time soon. I find it hard to understand that we have 3 Expierenced nationals for centre backs yet they can't seem to replicate that form for the club. Also do you see Sturridge and balotelli becoming a good partnership I can't see it myself I can see either one going nd being replaced for another player which suits either one better.

"goals win you matches Clean sheets win you titles"

Cheers eds

LFC 2 EVE 2

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{Ed001's Note - defensively is a problem with organisation on the pitch, that comes from both the right players who are used to each other's play and good coaching. Right now it is impossible to say if the coaching is having any effect until they have got used to each other's game and had the chance to organise themselves.
As for the strikers, again it is hard to say, though their game should compliment each other, as Mario likes to drop off the front, while Sturridge prefers to be further forward threatening with his pace.}

 
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