Liverpool Banter Archive November 27 2017

 

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27 Nov 2017 20:05:00
Ed001 sorry to bother you mate but have you done a match review for the game against Chelsea yet. Tia.

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{Ed002's Note - He has gone to bed and yes I am pretty sure he has. You should try the search engine, else have a browse.}

27 Nov 2017 20:40:22
Search for any of the reports mate and there is a scroll forward and back near the top for all articles.


27 Nov 2017 23:23:23
Thanks guys found it there.


27 Nov 2017 20:57:59
What time is your bed time Ed002?


{Ed002's Note - whenever my mother tells me.}

27 Nov 2017 19:53:07
I watched the match from the top of the Anfield Road end and when Willian crossed that ball it seemed like an eternity before it hit the net.

My first reaction and that of those around me was that Mignolet fluffed his lines. He had more than enough time to clock the flight of the ball but did so far too late. Honestly the cross had so little pace on it that it felt like I was watching it in slow motion.

We will never win anything with a dodgy keeper. Simples.

And while I'm here let me just say Henderson, Milner and Moreno should never be anywhere near the first team.

Coutinho was a disappointment and that's being generous. If I had a choice between him and Hazard it would be Hazard every time. Sell him pronto and get someone who actually wants to play for the club.

Standout for me was Gomez. Brilliant all round. The one thing missing from his game is going forward but I'm sure it will come with time.

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27 Nov 2017 20:12:53
I agree with all you have said redmist but saying Moreno shouldn’t be near the first team is harsh. Okay he played poorly against Sevilla but he bounced back against Chelsea and had some good moments. He’s 100% improves on all aspects of his game since last season imo if he plays consistently like he has for the past few months bar the Sevilla game then he could be here for a while.


27 Nov 2017 20:56:58
Lfc Leon . Moreno is playing better BUTTT we all know that he will have a couple of Sevilla games a season Wich we could do without and is costing us big time same as migs. they got to go simple as. when does Azpilicueta cost Chelsea games?


27 Nov 2017 22:21:42
Hi redmist the atmosphere seems very flat at Anfield at the moment. What do you think that is down to?


{Ed007's Note - Modern English football and having a stadium full of fans and tourists that want to take as many pics as possible and Tweet every bit of bs that comes into their head.}

28 Nov 2017 02:19:21
What did Moreno do wrong? The guy had one poor game this season so get off his back.


28 Nov 2017 03:43:09
Gomez - Brilliant? haha.


27 Nov 2017 19:51:47
With Sturridge starting up top on sat and Salah scoring 1 and almost getting another 2 does that put the argument to bed that we have to have Firminho up front as only his runs create space for Salah and Mane where as a goalscoring striker wouldn't create the space.

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27 Nov 2017 20:31:25
i think what you meant to say is that firminio should start ahead of sturridge every time i think 100% would agree here.


27 Nov 2017 21:28:33
If it's between Firminho and Sturridge then I agree 100% Firminho starts. But that wasn't my point.


28 Nov 2017 02:20:32
Doesn't matter whether Sturridge created space for others or not. He has been min numbingly poor this season and needs to go.


28 Nov 2017 08:18:29
Studge starting vs Chelsea shows exactly why a normal CF will not work in our system. He kept taking up the spaces that Salah and Ox would normal;ly attack had Firmino been playing. The argument has been over for a long time now. Firmino starts if fit 100%, end of story.


28 Nov 2017 10:33:05
Br cheers for letting me know the argument has been over for a long time on your say so. It's amazing how all these other front 3 forwards still manage to score goals in teams that win trophies (City, Barca, Psg, Bayern etc) what with them having a world class goalscorer in their team and not Firminho making the runs. Yet it wouldn't work for us.


28 Nov 2017 14:12:32
jayden i understand which way your going. for me this is just a myth that Salah and Mane can't play with a proper #9 and won't have space for them and that's why we plsy with a false#9. its bs, same bs everyone use to say about not having a dedicated DM in the team. 90% of the poster and Ed has come to realise that our midfield needs a proper DM. this is the same scenario that salah and mane can't play with a proper striker, the sooner Kloop reliases this the better for us. i want us to give Solanke a chance with our wingers and let's see what happens. strudige is way past why even give him time which could be given to someone who is a long term solution.


{Ed001's Note - Do not try and speak for me ever again. You have no idea what I think or thought, so don't make up crap.}

28 Nov 2017 17:37:17
sorry ed of you feel that way, it is not my intention to speak for you or i know what you think. i respect you and your knowledge for the game.
i did not mean to offend you
sorry again.


{Ed001's Note - ok mate, it is just people read things into statements that are not meant. I did say we shouldn't need a DM and that it is perfectly possible for a good midfield pairing to sort it out between them so it is not necessary, but that did not mean I did not want one. In fact I have been very vocal in my desire in recent years for us to sign one, such as Gary Medel, who I would have loved us to get a long time ago.}

28 Nov 2017 18:21:11
Crazy, it is not a myth and the stats bear that out. Since Klopp arrived, we have scored near 250 goals in all comps. most of them w/ o a typical CF. These are facts and not opinions. If Sat vs Chelsea was not an example, I don't know what is. Studge lacked movement and mobility to drag the defenders out of position, which would allow space for Mane/ Ox or Salah to run into. This is a very simple concept to understand YET people keep bleating on and on about using a normal CF. Spurs have a normal CF and they have been found out of late as Kane has been well shackled (like Studge was vs Chelsea) vs ulta defensive teams is off the boil and if he does not score, Spurs are in crap. We don't have that prob. when Firmino plays as we have scored 16 goals in the last 4 games.

You say you would like to see Solanke play with wingers. That is just insane. Do you even know that we don't use wingers? Mane and Salah are strikers who play as inside forwards, not as wingers. Our wingers are the FB's who offer width. Again, a simple concept that many are simply unable/ unwilling to grasp. The only striker that would thrive in our system is Sanchez or Suarez, end of story. As for the DM, We have looked at Obiang as per Ed01 so to say that Klopp does not want a DM is again, patently false.


{Ed025's Note - i dont know why you try to thrust your opinions (and thats what they are) down other peoples throats brover?, it seriously compromises your credibility mate, i think you are knowledgeable about the game but you seem to have a problem with other posters when they express their opinion or assessment of set ups or formations, you need to be a bit more magnanimous my friend..

28 Nov 2017 23:40:32
Ed25, I may come across that way and that may come off wrong as it is not my intention. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me or airing their opinions. I will try to do better in the future. My problem is when people just give their views and projections and project them as facts or use them to baselessly stick the boot into Klopp where there is no need to. That is what my problem is. Klopp has his flaws BUT to continue to just slam him with baseless stuff is irritating whereas there are several issues he can be criticized for.

For ex., people say that "Klopp wants to outscore the opponents" or "Klopp is stubborn and does not want a DM" or "He was never interested in a CB so he is to blame". All these are patently false as Ed01 does a great job of informing us on what is going on. If someone does not know something, you can ask the Ed's as many of us do. For instance, I did not know that Klopp wanted Obiang until I asked him and he explained the type of DM Klopp wants. Simple.

Ed01 has explained why Klopp plays Firmino up top countless times YET people are still hung up on the CF stuff and just won't let it go where as the facts show that we are scoring goals and have been since Klopp got here so the system works. It becomes tedious reading the same stuff all the time like a broken record. Just being honest, Ed.


{Ed025's Note - honesty is fine brover and your passion is commendable but a bit of tolerance would help, other peoples views are just as valid as yours even if you dont agree mate, all im asking for is to respect other posters views..

28 Nov 2017 23:45:57
Oh and by the way, Ed25 I appreciate that you think I am knowledgeable about football. I have learnt a lot from this forum with Eds' analysis and tips as well as those from other posters. I also played the game at a decent level and watch a tonne of footie and this, for decades. Thanks again and keep your head up, my Everton fan.


{Ed025's Note - if we can keep things civil brover it makes all the ED,s jobs that little bit easier mate..cheers..

27 Nov 2017 19:26:47
Hi edd01, just wondering if you know if there are any plans to integrate Adam Lewis into the first team squad any time soon?

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{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of mate.}

27 Nov 2017 19:58:36
Great player. Gerrard's comments today worried me slightly.

He described Lewis as the most talented player he has ever seen at that age. That sort of comment can go to a players head.

He then went on to say he really wants to keep Lewis in the u18's even though he is good enough for the u23's. That's either more over hyping, or he considers his u18 results to be more important than producing players capable of going up a level.

Leave the fans to jump on the bandwagons! A youth coaches job is to keep these guys grounded.

The whole interview was just a bit weird to be honest. I've been impressed with Gerrard so far in his coaching role but he still suffers from "foot in mouth" syndrome apparently!


27 Nov 2017 21:36:00
Gerrard have the lad praise based on his performances which I have watched a lot of and agree. Also I think you have misunderstood his comments he clearly means he would love to keep him in his team but feels way he is playing he will likely step up to u23s on merit. If you watch u18s games you can hear and see Gerrard motivating and encouraging the lads non stop. And also on numerous occasions on scoring the lads choose to run over to him, which in my eyes is only a great thing and shows they are a happy tight group. Hope the u18s and u23s keep up great work.


27 Nov 2017 23:14:22
It’s just a press release it’s funny how he picked to say the scouser who’s been at the club since 6 is the best isn’t surprising. It’s always the young local lad rather than the actual most talented.


28 Nov 2017 01:53:33
Jezza Kyle, why do you always have to make comments about that? I swear you never have anything positive to say!


28 Nov 2017 08:19:53
The bigging up of these young players esp. these teenagers needs to stop. It is not helping them. SG is a manager/ coach now, no longer a player. He should learn to measure his words when evaluating players or talking about them.


28 Nov 2017 09:27:15
And we wonder why young players get to a certain age and fall away unable to handle pressure etc! Yes it's good to protect young players but you do relise in the near future if good enough they would need to step out in front of 53,000 people! Can't believe 1 of our youth coaches are getting stick for praising and in my eyes giving a talented 18 year old confidence were not talking about a 14 year old then I'd fully agree.


27 Nov 2017 19:19:16
Hi Eds. What are you views on these review panels? I agree diving should be stamped out of the game but the Everton one seemed harsh to me. There was contact but he made the most of it. Possibly the correct decision but difficult. But on the other hand how has Lukaku got away with the two clear kicks at the Brighton defender. Surely that makes a mockery of the system as that seemed so obvious?

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{Ed002's Note - They are doing the best that they can - but rememeber you have different types of panels for different types of review. What people want is consistency above all else. The two issues you mention were reviewed by two different panels - Lukaku by three ex offials, Naisse by one ex-player, one ex-manager/coach and one ex-official so they cannot be compared - it won't stop the Everton fans moaning of course. So if it is a move toward consistency maybe it is fine, but it makes matters often forgotten a higher-profile and means more discussion. It won't be long before someone comes along and say we want our two points back if he is found to of benefited from a penalty. If you remove it then less consistency but soon forgotten.}

27 Nov 2017 19:49:17
Going down easily? Ban.

Attempted assault? Nah, can't ban a United player!


27 Nov 2017 20:16:43
Like Sean Dyke would say, it was never going to happen MK, Lukaku is a bully, and he is getting away with it far too often .


28 Nov 2017 08:22:24
Happy, Same way Costa got away with way worse while at Chelsea under a certain bully manager named Mou. Ironically, that is starting to happen now with Lukaku. Funny that.


28 Nov 2017 12:50:08
I think the only way you can genuinely iron out diving, maybe not the minimal contact trips, is to dock the club points! Strong I know, but until you do something strong, you'll never stop it happening! Ban a player from City, Chelsea or to an extent UTD and they'll just play another decent squad player while that ban goes on!


27 Nov 2017 21:23:12
Thanks for the reply Ed. You are correct, consistency is all that is required. But what was the reason for Lukaku being let off?


{Ed002's Note - One of the three ex-officials did not agree with the charge.}

27 Nov 2017 17:42:14
Only 2 points separating us from 4th and 6 separating us from second.

Considering the up and down season we have had, that is not too bad.

We have qualified for the next round of the CL unless Spartak can overturn a massive goal difference and we have yet to lose in the group stage.

Overall, it has not been a disaster of a season and still many games ahead.

City steamrolling at the moment and a cut above the rest. Season is still alive and far from over.

Keep the faith.

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27 Nov 2017 17:52:34
Spot on, Max. Spurs for example, have been dreadful in the PL since they beat us as we have gotten 10 points from 12 and Surs have gotten 4 points from 12. I don't see their fans losing their minds and questioning Poch.

I wish many of us altho frustrated with the result, show some perspective and big picture thing on the season cos really bar City and to some extent Utd, every one else in the top 6 have been up and down so all we have to do is realize that we are in the mix of top 4 REGARDLESS of all our issues (which is a small miracle in itself) so we have to focus on each game and give it 100%. I expect a strong lineup vs Stoke and hopefully, we can get a win.


27 Nov 2017 17:55:14
Its head to head record in CL group stages, If Spartak record a slender 1-0 win over us, We are out.


27 Nov 2017 18:10:32
Ok, missed the head to head record. We are at home and we have coped pretty well in the group stage.

Draw sees us through and we are at Anfield.


27 Nov 2017 18:33:57
The harsh reality is that we’re closer to Everton on points than City.


27 Nov 2017 18:51:51
At the end of the day we can only really judge the season at the end of it. As it stands 6 points off 2nd doesn't sound too bad but also the fact we have yet to break into the top 4 this season also tells another story. Yes we are very much on the brink of the CL knockout stages we could easily be pushed into the Europa League. CL group stage we have only beaten Slovenian oppositon this season in the group stage. Top 4 and a trophy would be a very successful season but we are also just as likely to end up with neither as we are with 1 or both.


27 Nov 2017 19:21:56
your right Max only 2 points from 4th place, but here is the thing, we should have got them 2 points on Sat, or V man ure, who only wanted to park the bus,
the truth is that right now we are off the pace, not in the top four cos we don't have enough points,
I am not blaming Klopp, but we were in front the last two games and should have won both,
I have heard that he was annoyed about not being able to bring on a sub, are we the only team that has had this problem,
Mane def should have been on a lot earlier, Sturridge on too long, a defender should have been brought on to shore up the leaking defence, while Chelsea threw everything at us, Klopp did not respond to their very offensive subs,
it was not to right time to rest two of our best players, Wed night would have been a better time,
that said, its time to move on and grab 3 points from the Stoke game, who are struggling at the moment .


27 Nov 2017 19:33:42
Tottenham have the same points now as they did at this stage last season, when many said they could win the title.
Most years of the Premier League Man United's points tally would have them clear at the top at this point.
That takes the top two out of contention as they are playing well or grinding out wins.
We are doing well so far this year. Defense is not as bad as the pundits make out, but we do make more individual errors than most because we don't have a true leader back there.
I look at the number if chances we create and wonder just where we would be with a proper goal scorer up top, as well as Salah. He is scoring so many, yet misses even more, it's frightening. Against Sevilla we created something like treble the chances they did, but came away with the same number of goals.

No need to be negative, we are doing well. We were 5 minutes away from top 4 in Saturday. My only issue, and its small, is that Klopp does not use his substitutions quick enough. We could all see us dropping deeper and deeper from about 70 mins against Chelsea, and Conte was making subs to up that, but we waited until 80+ minutes to react and it cost us the match.

One thing is for sure, our matches are entertaining.


27 Nov 2017 19:43:09
Wat do we expect our squad is sixth best in league I ain't surprised we never strengthened the obvious areas in summer, all them teams above have players with big time character in I notice ours hasn't an I don't think klopp likes a challenge in that way say a ibrahimovic, David luiz, delli Alli, Sanchez, ozil, players with arrogance I believe these type of players although problematic they are winners, we need more character!


27 Nov 2017 23:17:44
City wi have their dip as well,

We need to concentrate on improving our defence and keeper,
Ward and Robertson must wonder if they will ever get a game,

Someone will have to explain to me how keeping Ward from a loan at another Prem side is beneficial to us and the player?


27 Nov 2017 23:58:21
Something to be positive about, we have gained 3 more points than the corresponding fixtures last season.
Replaced Hull with Newcastle, Sunderland with Brighton and Middlesbrough with Huddersfield.
Watford 0-1 Liverpool Watford 3-3 Liverpool (-2 points)
Liverpool 1-2 Crystal Palace Liverpool 1-0 Crystal Palace (+3 points)
Liverpool 3-1 Arsenal Liverpool 4-0 Arsenal (SAME)
Man City 1-1 Liverpool Man City 5-0 Liverpool (-1 point)
Liverpool 2-1 Burnley Liverpool 1-1 Burnley (-2 points)
Leicester 3-1 Liverpool Leicester 2-3 Liverpool (+3 points)
Hull 2-0 Liverpool Newcastle 1-1 Liverpool (+1 point)
Liverpool 0-0 Man United Liverpool 0-0 Man United (SAME)
Spurs 1-1 Liverpool Spurs 4-1 Liverpool (-1 point)
Liverpool 3-0 Middlesbrough Liverpool 3-0 Huddersfield (SAME)
West Ham 0-4 Liverpool West Ham 1-4 Liverpool (SAME)
Liverpool 0-0 Southampton Liverpool 3-0 Southampton (+2 points)
Liverpool 1-1 Chelsea Liverpool 1-1 Chelsea (SAME)


28 Nov 2017 00:57:01
Thought that was Ron for a second. I’ll be happy with top 4. Knock out stages of champs and a decent fa cup run atm. Keita to come in. Hopefully use to coutinho money to get the right cb and gk in. Keep salah and mane and give Klopp another go next season.


28 Nov 2017 08:29:52
I agree with your posts, Andy BUT the whole Klopp-subs stuff to me is a red herring. When we scored vs Chelsea, Wiji came on ASAP to help the midfield. That regardless of the result, was a good sub to make. The Lallana one is to me going by what Klopp said, is bizarre and I know Lallana was ready to come on BUT for some reason, the ref kept delaying it.

Same with Seville. When we were under the cush after the second goal (2 mins after the first), Klopp put on Milner and Can to stabilize the issue and to some extent, it worked and would have had the last goal not happened. What I am saying is that a negative result, does not mean that a sub was not the right one to make at the time it was made. The examples I posted proves that. At the same time, you can make a wrong sub and still win and the fact that you won does not make the sub a good decision.


27 Nov 2017 17:34:47
Does anyone regularly watch the under23's, if so could you give a round-up of the best players, particularly Grunjic playing DM and Ings. Cheers.

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27 Nov 2017 19:53:27
I did an article on this quite recently. It didn't include Ings, but he has been playing very well. I'm sure the article will still be on the football news site though.

The u23's won 7-0 the other week and Ings scored 4 and assisted 2! He hasn't played as much since Brewster came back from the world cup though. I think Ings is either going to be integrated into the first team now or sent out on loan. We can't have a 25 year old who might not have a future here blocking Brewster from the next step in his progression, i guess.


{Ed002's Note - I don't think Ings is blocking Brewsters move to Dortmund or Juventus.}

27 Nov 2017 20:05:58
I watched the recent U23 game at Man Utd (W 3-1 ) and I thought Grujic was sensational at DM, very mobile, constantly winning the ball back, making numerous headed clearances from his own box and scoring with his own header at the other end. His decision making for such a young player was remarkable.

Ings looked fit and also impressed until it came to his final ball or attempt on goal when he looked very rusty.

Of the others, Ejaria has an amazing skill set but tends to drift in and out of the game which is understandable at his age. If/ when he learns to impose himself over 90 minutes he will be a top player in my opinion.


27 Nov 2017 20:28:18
Ed002 please tell us Brewster isn’t going? Or only on loan?

Regards

Crooky.


{Ed002's Note - Both clubs are scouting young English talent like Liverpool and other PL sides scout aboroad. He has attracted the attention of both and an approach by one. He moved from Chelsea because of opportunities, maybe he will see again a move might enhance his chances.}

27 Nov 2017 21:06:22
thanks Ed, much appreciated as always

Crooky.


{Ed002's Note - as always you are welcome.}

27 Nov 2017 22:22:22
Thanks guys, think Grunjic should get a bit of time in the first team just to check him out, and Ings, after all the injuries I would love to see him be a success.


28 Nov 2017 02:31:35
I'd give Grujic a run out in the DLP role instead of Henderson since he has been impressing in that role with the under 23's. At least he makes an effort to tackle and shove opposition players that try to to run past him. The same cannot be said for Hendo and Gini.


27 Nov 2017 21:28:26
Couldn't really blame him Ed002. We basically replaced him with Solanke last summer. Even Solanke can't get a game despite Sturridge being in well below average form right now.

I'd be gutted to see Brewster leave, but i wouldn't be surprised.


28 Nov 2017 04:14:24
Is there much clubs can do to stop their young future stars being poached by other clubs Ed? I mean I know plenty of clubs, Liverpool included, have done this before so I'm curious as to whether there is any way to prevent this or is it simply unstoppable once a player has made up there mind?


{Ed002's Note - They all want significant amounts of money and guarantees of game time.}

27 Nov 2017 17:33:38
If we sell couts in the summer i would love us to sign nabil fekir from lyon. would anyone else take him or is it just me.

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{Ed001's Note - I would, when fit and firing he is an awesome player.}

27 Nov 2017 17:46:20
yea i agree ed, is very one footed but when you strong foot is that good its like two good feet lol.


27 Nov 2017 17:53:39
He is brilliant, Ed BUT I worry about his injury history cos those knees have been damaged quite a lot over the past two seasons or so.


{Ed001's Note - that is what bothers me about him. Mind having seen the way Zaza played last night, even a meniscus tear can be played through brilliantly. I still can't believe I saw that last night, he was incredible, chasing everywhere pressing from the front with a knee problem.}

27 Nov 2017 17:54:35
I would rather sign a defensive minded midfielder as Coutinho's replacement and push Lallana and Keita higher up the pitch. Its time to bring some much needed balance to this lopsided midfield that Klopp apparently loves. No more Draxlers or Fekirs, sign someone like Nzonzi or Paredes.


27 Nov 2017 17:56:53
I would hope so. One of Lemar / Fekir would be terrific signing. Arsenal has a long, very very long standing interest on the player.


27 Nov 2017 19:18:37
Mustn’t discount Icardi chaps, what a season he’s having!


27 Nov 2017 19:46:53
I would but he can be a lazy Fekir 😂 sorry.


28 Nov 2017 04:17:58
I like what I have seen from Fekir - plenty of quality, good work rate (in the games I saw) and yeah injuries are the only worry. He wouldn't come cheap though so the ratio of price to risk is perhaps greater than the club would be willing to accept?


27 Nov 2017 14:54:32
So Who died?

Seriously redmen we have drawn 2 matches against top opposition and you lot are carrying on as if we have been relegated.
Yes the manner of the draws is frustrating but that shows we are doing more right than wrong. We are gutted to only get a point from each as opposed to being delighted.

They were 2 must not lose matches, and we didn't lose them. Sevilla who have not lost at home in over a year, and Chelsea the defending Champions.

Our next 5 are winnable games and I expect us to win the lot. We will top the champs league group and be in the top 4 in a matter of weeks. Feel free to hold me to that!

Now enough moaning what's done is done, now get behind the boys.


Now, time for the loan update :)

Ryan Kent came on as a half time substitute as Freiburg beat Mainz 2-1. Good to see him back in the action.

Jordan Williams missed out on the Rochdale squad due to injury as they beat Petersborough 2-0.

Toni Gomes was an unused sub as Forest Green drew 1-1 with Cheltenham.
The smallest club in the history of the Football League are currently holding their own as they sit 20th in league 2.

Apollon and Allan play tonight.

Origi played the full 90 as Wolfsburg lost 2-1 to Augsburg.
Wolfsburg had a man sent off in the 11th and it was an uphill struggle from there.

chiverella missed out through injury as Willem II came back from 3-0 to draw 3-3 with VVV-Venlo. The equaiser came in the final minute (seems familiar) .

Shamal George must have his own special spot as he once again sat on the bench for Carlisle as they drew 1-1 with Morecombe.

Connor Randall was an unused sub as Hearts drew 1-1 with Ross county.

Ojo yet again impressed for fulham as they beat Millwall 1-0. that's 2 wins in 2 since Ojo's return.

Keita scored the opener and got MOTM as RBL beat Werder Bremen 2-0.

And there's your lot Redmen.

Now looking forward to Wednesdays game. Stoke are at home and like to attack, and they have a worse defence then us. The form oour boys are in going forward I predict a 3-0 win.

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27 Nov 2017 15:08:58
Thanks cara big x.


27 Nov 2017 15:55:17
Thanks as always Carra! Great to hear that Kent is getting some game time.


27 Nov 2017 16:24:12
Hi Carra, I think its a big if. But as you say let's see how we get on in the next few games. There can't though be any more excuses, we have a fully fit squad. It is time the rest of the squad help Salah with scoring league goals.


27 Nov 2017 17:18:56
Cheers carra. Seems our loans are a very mixed bag right now - continue to be bitterly dissapointed about Kent who definitely earned first team consideration in the pre-season (or at least I can't imagine what more someone could do to earn it) .


27 Nov 2017 19:28:02
Cheers Carra, its Ojo that I am following, he just might become a great player for us,
Hard to see a 3 0 result for us V Stoke, we should score a couple of goals, but Stoke just might get one too, we are too fragile at the back .


27 Nov 2017 14:16:31
Now that everyone wants a DM or a holding mid in January or Summer. I want to know the future of Wijnaldum / Henderson!
Keita is a starter as well the new DM / DLP, where would the former two play? I don't see neither Hendo / Wiji playing anywhere.
I am certain Klopp would buy a replacement for Coutinho. Lallana is also at the club as well AOC lol.

Thoughts.

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27 Nov 2017 14:33:55
Personally I would get rid of Wijnaldum. Could still get a decent fee for him and we have his ready made replacement in Grujic who will not do a disappearing act in 60% of the games. Henderson can stay as a squad player.
The first choice midfield next season should be new DLP (Paredes maybe), Keita and Lallana. Hendo, Chamberlain and Grujic can be the backups. No need to replace Coutinho as we already have enough midfield options.


27 Nov 2017 16:29:53
I like Grujic he is good going forward and is the best header of a ball in the squad. But he make Scholes look like a good tackler. I would bring him on the last 10/ 15 minutes of all games we are hanging on in.

Gini for me can't be relied upon. He has one of our very worst players this season. I thought he would kick on but he is weak weak weak and getting weaker. He does not have the mentality for a big club.


27 Nov 2017 16:52:27
Agree Indian but no way will klopp go for a DM his philosophy is to score more than the others with that in mind maybe we should switch to a back three and we should ditch the Brazilian as he is a passenger and now that Barcelona have actually started watching him they seem to be cooling so looks like PSG will be his only option.


27 Nov 2017 17:30:45
Tc77, if that's Klopp's philosophy, then he is an idiot. If that nonsense is to work, then the front 4 should be Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar and Suarez. Without players like those, you need to have a solid backbone in defense and midfield. WE have neither so KLopp should get his head out of his a*** and sign some defensive minded players.


27 Nov 2017 19:34:38
Buzzer, you think we should ditch Gini, I am with you to a point, he plays much better at home, in our away games, he goes missing for long periods,
so whatdoes Klopp do, he plays him away, and 2nd half was a disaster, then doesn't play him in the home game when we needed a defencive minded player,
and yes Klopp has tunnel vision .


27 Nov 2017 11:12:00
Ed01, If you have some spare time, An audio podcast on top 5 CB available, attainable and ideal for our system? You can also include the ones that was mentioned in the Sharkopod! I guess that is our immediate priority?

Cheers and no thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I have added it to the to do list mate, I will do it as the next podcast thingy I do after the one I am in the middle of on the Lisbon Lions. Just got to get the midweek Prem previews out of the way.}

27 Nov 2017 14:13:55
Hi Ed001 mate. tell me to shut up if you wish, but I feel you're tasking on far too many articles for us. perhaps if we could submit ideas and then have a vote on the best 3 for you to write then that would be fantastic in any single month. If you then want to do any on top of that that's cool. Just an idea mate because I don't see an end to the ceaseless requests here.


{Ed001's Note - that's not a bad idea, but most of them are for long running series of articles so not so much of an issue.}

27 Nov 2017 14:31:27
If writing is bothering you, audio podcast would help mate. Make sure you do that before the window mate!


27 Nov 2017 16:33:18
Ed001 I think the people who request and then get an article on a topic should make a donation to the chosen charity. I will be doing mine before the deadline.


{Ed001's Note - would the chosen charity be me? ;-) Joking aside nice idea if people want to do that it would be great.}

27 Nov 2017 10:54:31
Hello Ed's, If this gets posted

After 3 years of " We don't need a DM " and We are good enough to revolutionize football with " Midfield press ", " Double pivot ", " One pressing one dropping ", "2 BVB ". I can see some or even most now realizing the need of a holding midfielder. I am happy!
Things change quickly on this site as well their opinions!

Cheers.

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27 Nov 2017 11:53:23
You're like a shining beacon of knowledge and wisdom Harry.


27 Nov 2017 11:53:35
Not every team needs one to be fair. Chelsea don't play with one. Kante, Drinkwater and Bakayoko were all playing in box to box roles on Saturday. The difference was that Kante and Drinkwater have an excellent understanding with each other, whereas our midfielders don't.

However, we do need a DM because we have a lack of intelligent players, and we commit so many players forward that we either need to switch to 3 centre backs or sign a DM. You can't play 2 defenders, 6 attackers and 2 wing backs. It just doesn't work. We need a player to protect our centre backs when everyone else pushes up high. Shame we sold him to Lazio 😑.


27 Nov 2017 12:09:05
by the definition of your post harry. if it has taken 3 years for people to agree on the DM issue, there is nothing quick about that.


27 Nov 2017 13:32:06
I am not sure many said there is no need for a dm.


27 Nov 2017 14:27:15
MK, also a shame with all the games our midfielders have played together, all the training sessions they’ve had together and a great manager that they still can’t cover for each other. It’s beyond being not intelligent, it’s bordering on them being complete and utter idiots really.


27 Nov 2017 14:30:32
Mk Scouser, not every team needs a CDM like Harry thinks. But every team does need midfielders that know how to tackle and don't let opposition players run past them like they are not even there. We could do with a nasty and ruthless streak in midfield in addition to Keita. GIni and Hendo can be squad players or be sold on to give younger players like Grujic and Woodburn a chance.


27 Nov 2017 14:38:41
i agree with Harry, harry got slaughterd for suggesting we should have a Dm in the team. now everyone has come to realize that a Dm is a neccessity. the same thing happend when some of us suggested that we should have a very good #9 and we were slaughtered here as Strudige was the answer for it. I hope for Lfc sake Kloop reliazes these things and try to keep things simple instead of having those theory which works only on paper.


27 Nov 2017 14:41:00
People haven't been claiming we don't need defensive midfielders or at least more intelligent/ defensive minded ones. What we have said is that Klopp obviously doesn't like them or want to use them and that does not seem to have changed so I don't know why you are declaring that it has.


27 Nov 2017 15:00:49
Harry is right on this subject. Good point in my opinion. I am sure if we had a player similar to edd 1 surgestion Medal we would be doing a whole lot better.


27 Nov 2017 17:02:27
The difference is Kante is world class at what he does. It doesn't always need a DM it just requires real quality.


27 Nov 2017 19:39:59
we def need a beast of a player to play just in front of our back four,
the way we are set up, our back four are so vunerable, and Migs is then under pressure .


27 Nov 2017 10:16:04
". Eden Hazard treated some of Liverpool players like cons on the training pitch. He gets past them like they stood still. "
Conte.

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27 Nov 2017 10:26:33
Still did nothing though to impact the actual score; Unlike Salah who scored what should've been the winner.

Don't mind me though Harry, you carry on fantasizing about other teams players, again 🙄.


27 Nov 2017 10:40:41
Sounds bitter from you MK. He is special and danced through Henderson like he was a dummy on the pitch before setting up Willian for the equalizer! You would move heaven and earth to sign him if he was available! Don’t you? Yes you would MK!


27 Nov 2017 10:40:49
Yes Harry, we know, Eden Hazard is the best player ever and all Liverpool players are rubbish.


27 Nov 2017 11:11:23
I'd like Hazard in our squad. Not sure he would start for me ahead of Mane, Firmino or Salah though in a 4-3-3. However I'd probably reshuffle the team to a 4-4-2 so we could get all 4 in the side, yes. Hazard is top class, but so are our own attacking trio.

You can hardly say he assisted Willian though 😂 a simple pass that offered no penetration? It wasn't exactly a chance created! Willian just got his angles wrong and was lucky to have Mignolet in goal against him. I suppose you can say on paper it is an assist, but let's be honest mate, he hasn't actually created that goal in reality.

Hazard is top class. I'd take him in a heartbeat to replace Coutinho. Just don't think he was that good against us. Lots of fancy tricks and exciting moments, but he didn't create any clear cut chances and didn't even test Mignolet; which isn't hard as Willian proved. Adama Traore can run past people at will. It's what you do with the ball that counts and Hazard did nothing of note on Saturday. He flattered to deceive.


27 Nov 2017 11:20:59
I don’t believe there could be too many doubters for Hazard. You are an exception MK 😄😄😄.


27 Nov 2017 12:20:18
Hazard would walk into our team.


27 Nov 2017 14:43:04
It's not doubting Hazard to point out that as good as he looked in a game, he never actually had an impact. Messi also doesn't have much impact at times, doesn't matter how good you are you don't change the result of every game.


27 Nov 2017 14:59:53
I don't doubt him Harry? You should probably re-read what i wrote.

All i said is that he did nothing against us. Looking good and achieving nothing is pointless. I'd rather have Dele Alli who always looks like he's falling over but scores 20 goals a season, than Hazard who glides about the pitch like a Rolls Royce but only scores about 5 goals a season (unless he's on penalty duties) . Effectivity over entertainment every time!


27 Nov 2017 17:39:52
I don’t understand why a supposed Liverpool supporter would post this. I think Hazard is a brilliant player and I wish he played for us but the OP is clearly just a wind up merchant who only appears when Liverpool don’t win, it’s quite pathetic really.


27 Nov 2017 18:45:55
Ah mk, hazard is class. Could become one of the all time greats. Deli Alli will unfortunately do what most bright English starlets do- fade away years before they reach their potential.


27 Nov 2017 18:45:58
Spot on, Smeg. You will learn to appreciate Harry and his fantasizing over players who don't play for us, the only "fan" I know who does that. Hazard did not score NOR assist in the game. Only Harry will call a pass out wide on a blind flukey cross that fluke goal by Willian, an assist. Truly scraping the barrel there, bro.

Hazard dribbled, huffed and puffed BUT had NO meaningful impact on the score sheet. Salah did more than he did in one move, FACT. Saying Hazard is a brilliant is like saying water is wet so not sure what Harry is babbling about except he is playing the role of Captain of the Bl**ding Obvious.


27 Nov 2017 20:11:11
HAZard made a good effort at conning the referee too great ‘man’ spends more time with his belly on the floor than a snake does!


27 Nov 2017 10:15:06
Good to see Keita getting back on track at the weekend. Scored to opener which inspired RBL to a 2-0 victory.

I have a hunch we may pay extra to get him in January if Coutinho leaves 🤔.

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27 Nov 2017 10:34:39
I doubt as he is not the replacement for him anyways. He will come only in the summer. We might have someone lined up and my guess is Daxler in January.


27 Nov 2017 10:50:14
Keita may be a very different player, but he can dictate a game. When Coutinho leaves, we don't have any other midfielders who can do that. Not that Coutinho is doing it right now, as he cannot be bothered.

Draxler would be a horrible signing in my opinion, but i fear you could be right. We have a habit of panicking and signing players we've shown no previous interest in. Draxler is very talented, but he doesn't even try hard enough to regularly keep up with the tempo in Ligue 1. If he signs, he better pull his finger out!


27 Nov 2017 11:03:48
We can just speculate MK after all! I doubt Klopp would even bother listening us. Did you ever thought we would buy Wijnaldum to play as a CM? Coutinho is seen as an attacking outlet so his replacement would also be one such. Daxler is available and is an attacking player. That’s a good logic for Klopp to buy one!


27 Nov 2017 11:44:56
The problem with Draxler is he doesn't impact games. He is a passenger who only looks good when his team is on top.

He has 2 goals this season. They came in a 6-2 win and a 5-0 win.

Of his 5 assists? Three came in separate 5-0 wins, one came in a 6-2 win and the last one was in a 2-1 win over Monaco this weekend.

I've been following him closely since Ed002 mentioned him and it is worth noting he seems to be playing in more of an attacking midfield role than a forward role.

That doesn't change the fact that he only ever seems to produce anything in the final third when his team are massively on top with all the possession creating chance after chance. His goals and assists very rarely impact results because he doesn't usually show up in the closely contested matches against decent opposition. There are not 30 easy games a season in England though.


27 Nov 2017 15:05:00
He played last night assisted one an played well that was at Monaco away, he put in a shift an was always dangerous he would shine at Liverpool.


27 Nov 2017 09:55:44
Just thought I'd quickly say I hope Benny Baller's officiating went well over the weekend, one of the toughest jobs in the world (along with prison guard! )

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27 Nov 2017
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27 Nov 2017 08:11:59
Morning all, watched the blue side get slaughtered again yesterday and I quite liked what I saw from the Southampton RB, I admittedly haven't watched a lot of him and he didn't have a great deal to do defensively but had a good engine and attacking play down the right was of real quality. With doubts over Clyne and Trent still a young man who's future seems to be in midfield, I would take more of a look.

Any thoughts Ed1?

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - excellent attacking right back, but struggles defensively and it was more down to Everton's lack of attacking intent than his excellence that he played so well. He has mainly been poor this season, as he has not been able to commit forward in most games and offers nothing if he is not charging forward. However, he is one of the better wing backs when he does get to attack. I don't see that he would improve us, he would leave us in a similar position to now really.}

27 Nov 2017 09:19:50
Ed01 is there any right back you rate highly that you would want us to realistically sign? Like Ricardo Pereira from Porto maybe? Cheers.


{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head I don't see any out there worth buying when we have two young lads in need of experience who can play there. I would rather hold off another season and worry about fixing the problems in the centre.}

27 Nov 2017 10:13:08
Unless we can get Kimmich, Pereira, Alves or Azpilicueta, I'd rather see Gomez and Arnold playing there.

There are hardly any good right backs nowadays.


27 Nov 2017 10:36:00
He was bloody good yesterday so was Bertrand. Tote Everton all over! That first goal was magnificent!


27 Nov 2017 18:50:13
If the way both Bertrand and Cedric got roasted by Mane and Salah vs Saints, they are poor FB's and can't defend vs a chair so like Ed said, they are non-starters and playing well vs a bang awful Everton who re staring down the barrel of relegation, is NOT a measuring stick except of course, you feel that other players are better than ours just cos they don't play for us.


30 Nov 2017 16:50:39
Rover what are you going on about it was only a simple statement no need to go way over the top with your retort. People are allowed opinions that differ from others you know!


27 Nov 2017 06:50:39
Morning Eds
What's your take on Brightons Lewis Dunk as a CB would it be a joke to consider him in January or do u rate him at all, having a great season so far and along side Duffy was eminence against Utd on Saturday albeit for his own goal which was very unfortunate .
Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - god no, neither are that good. They are sitting deep, with lots of protection and still not going anything outstanding. Admittedly Dunk is better than Duffy, but he is far from the level we should be looking at.}

27 Nov 2017 18:53:21
CB's who play in an ultra defensive system, should be non starters for us. Now, I watched both Burnley CB's vs Arsenal and as a partnership, they were brilliant. Ed is high on Mee and right fully so as he was the one setting up the defensive line and letting everyone know where to be. A good leader and very vocal. Don't know if either of them can thrive in our system BUT they are both pretty good.


26 Nov 2017 22:55:33
Ed1 is guti on your list? Top player.

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{Ed001's Note - he is now, good shout Jezza.}

27 Nov 2017 11:19:51
I used to love watching him play such a magician.


27 Nov 2017 18:54:42
He showed that lacking pace means absolutely nothing if you have a brilliant footballing brain. One of the best left foots in the past 20 years. Brilliant player.


27 Nov 2017 00:42:26
Why does coutinho play on the left of a midfield 3 with Moreno lb. surely this stifles a part of both of their game as at times couts should be covering when Moreno breaks forward and obviously this isn't his game. Similarly he offers little defensively on the left where you would think extra cover would help Alberto? Surely we would see more balance with couts on the right and wiji/ can on the left?

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27 Nov 2017 03:32:31
Erm no. no matter who is at lb until we have players who can defend as team we are screwed. Did u see in the first half v Chelsea when Alonso clipped a ball in to our box on left hand side and about 6 at least of our players were all pressing the ball very good. except it wasn't because Alonso just dinked it on to the right and we had no defender to be found. Liverpool have some outstanding athletic talent but I don't see much intelligence in these players. I'm no expert but off the ball they are horrendous! So for me Moreno not to blame they all are!


27 Nov 2017 12:29:55
Wijnaldum got caught with the ball about 15 yards out the opposition area when we had a good attack going, with about 4 Liverpool players around him not 1 shouted "man on" and we let a potentially good situation go, we have no voices in the team aswell.


26 Nov 2017 18:15:30
Hi Ed's,

What is the plan for Harry Wilson both long term and short term.

His goal and assist ratio for the u23s is unbelievable. I must admit I haven't seen much of him play. Is he a striker or a number 10.?

He is now 20 years old and has serious competition ahead of him in the senior squad.

Will Klopp ever give him a chance, will he be loaned out to hey experience or will he be sold.

Thanks Ed's.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any specific plans. Liverpool are not a club that is well structered to deal with loans and there are others who the club may consider loaning before Wilson, but it is possible. He is effectively a right winger who can also play behind a striker or even as a left wing. For now there is no space in the first team squad so chances will be few and far apart.}

27 Nov 2017 00:58:56
Thanks Ed! Do you know If he has the potential to play regularly at the top level.


{Ed002's Note - Right now he is untested. So it remains a maybe.}

 
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