Liverpool Banter Archive March 27 2013

 

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27 Mar 2013 23:13:15
Be honest think before you reply. With our Finances, Stadia, not being able to compete consistently. Even fair play rules there's ways around. I cannot even "with hope in my heart", see us winning The Title within next 7-10 years. Sorry breaks my heart. Tin hat on now, but cannot see it sadly. Agree or Disagree folks? (But answer with head not heart)


What a miserable sod you are. Or an evertonion?


These next couple of years are crucial to consider ourselves, and to be considered by others as a force still. We've had a terrible few years but every club will have these patches, even United once whiskey face retires. If we make near enough to no mistakes in transfers this summer, and improve our consistency, which is our biggest problem, it will only look upwards. If we do not, then I would have to agree with you, although maybe not ten years as no one can predict that far ahead. Still, don't be all doom and gloom just yet, we are still Liverpool, and will always be a very special club.

Luc YNWA.


Second poster realist not fantasist!


In 7-10 years you will see the benefit of our youth system. Add the quality players we will purchase over that time and I see us winning more than one title in 7-10 years.


It was all over once Paisley left


However many points we achieve this season, it should be improved upon next season by 20/25pts at least which would carry us into the top 4.
You can only take it season by season.
I think we will take a leap forward next season and if we don't? Well I don't know?
But I really don't think you can look too far ahead, There's going to be big changes over the next couple of seasons, that fellah down the other end of the road will be gone, Wenger will be gone seems they have been around forever and totally bored to death with both of them.


By 20 to 25 points? And the teams above us want improve their squads will they? silly post again!


I wonder if Utd fans were as pessimistic as all these doom mongers 27 years ago when we were dominating everything and they backed a young inexperienced manager?


28 Mar 2013 09:26:02
Sadly to win the league you need a shed load of money, and we've got none so why will we win it now when we couldn't when we were able to compete financially? Were miles off 4th yet some on here think we can win it. I can only pressume these fantasist posters are very young, you will find your enthusiasm wane the older you get, use your head not your heart when evaluating what we will do. It's not negativity its realism and quite a few of you need to use that thought process GOING FORWARD ( a lot of you like using that buzz phrase )


A psychology of a team can change to make them from say a top 6 team to a contender for the league. Maybe an unbeaten run of games. Money can be a major factor in football but so can bringing thru the younger players to beef up our squad. It might just be down to those 2 or 3 players signed that make Liverpool winners again or diffenrent tactics that make us hard to beat. The point is you never know what any season brings. All long as we are sround the top then any of the things I have mentioned can make all the difference. Just lkke you would not have expected Newcastle to do so well last year or Arsenal to go unbeaten in the league. The unexpected does happen.

The Irish Rover


"To win the league you need a shed load of money" Well if you look at Chelsea and Man City then this is true, but look at Manchester United or Arsenal and then you realise this poster has no clue. Then you look at Liverpool who sit only behind City and Chelsea in spending on players then realise that money doesn't necessarily buy you the league.

The Irish Rover


28 Mar 2013 11:03:29
United not spent money irish rover, dear me! Stick to hurling lad!


I don't agree you need a shed load of money to buy the league, yes it does help a lot
But if the funds we are given are directed to the right type of player and not watsed then in theory it should only take 3 transfer windows to compete.
Unfortunately we have wasted monies and this has not happened for a long long time, came close once or twice but fell by the wayside.


28 Mar 2013 12:09:23
Money would have bought the league. and the amount we spend we should have been comfortable in Top 4.
its coz. the players we purchased are not good enough.
and our fans are so symbolic of backing them till they become mid 30.


"United not spent money irish rover, dear me! Stick to hurling lad!"

I think the point he was making is in recent times City/Chelsea have spent the most, then Liverpool, then United. Yet United are top of the league above City/Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling.

Of course United spend money as do every football club! But money does not necessarily win you the league - pretty simple really.

HB


We might not win it, but I'm pretty sure we'll be up there challenging in less than five.


United have always spent big, broken the British transfer record 5 times since 1989 which was Gary Pallister for 2.3m.

At the other end of the scale they bought RVP for 25m, salary 230k per week, 10m loyalty bonus. RVP until last month had won United 21 points, that's league points.

In recent times United are spending 460k per week on wages - RVP and Rooney. Only City and Chelsea could match.

Since the birth of the Premier league, the only team not to have spent vasts amounts of cash on players and won the league is Arsenal. United, City, Chelsea and not forgetting Blackburn in the 94-95 season have all spent big.

Nicky D {Ed001's Note - Arsenal spent big to win, they had a massive wage bill and spent heavily on players such as Bergkamp, Overmars and the like.}


Utd don't exactly have a 'sugar daddy' funding them as well. They spend money the make money through winning trophies and being a huge brand. Quite different to Chelsea and City.


Irish rovers always good for laugh. Rest of views respect. Think this lad types before engages brain. Never let facts get in the way eh Irish?


All over when sir john smith left.


No they don't have a Sugar Daddy but they had to start somewhere and that was significant funding during the 89 season long before they became a global brand.

United became a business modal when They floated in 91.


Ed, Bergkamp cost 7.5m back in 95, which was a vast sum back then, but Wenger also pulled out players such as Viera costing a modest 3.5m.

To me Wenger was the master at plucking average foreign talent and turning them into quality players. The prime example was Henri from Juve and also Anelka whom he bought for a fee of 500k from PSG.

Nicky D {Ed001's Note - they paid about 14m for Henry, certainly not cheap.}


Ed, it was 10.5m from Juve and I agree not cheap, money well spent though!

Nicky D


 

 

27 Mar 2013 22:41:21
Eds, worried about how we're going to make 4th next year if arsenal get a take over, if we start losing big players and they have wind up with big bux to spend it will be a long time before we make champo again. Do ye see it happening? {Ed002's Note - If you ask on the Arsenal page I am sure all will become clear.}


 

 

27 Mar 2013 21:42:52
Ed would jack wilshere be subsceptible to a move if arsenal don't make champions league? Not saying to us or anything, even though I think he would be amazing, he's a fantastic footballer. Just he doesn't seem to get touted about you know? Lfc ever shown interest in the past? {Ed002's Note - You need to ask that on the Arsenal page.}


Ill have a scout through their forum then. But have Liverpool ever shown interest? i'm guessing not. cheers anyhow.


 

 

27 Mar 2013 21:18:53
is it just me or is this page becoming infested with closet Manchester United fans having digs at the club?


"infested" - a very apt choice of word


It always has been, plus don't forget the bitters too


And we of course don't visit any other teams pages do we?


You should see the posts from L'pool fans on the United page. Literally the ramblings of a 6 year old child and often left with no name. It was because of these posts that I first popped over here but alas now I'm addicted to the site and find myself visiting many team's pages.

When I post I at least try to stick to the truth and most often I only reply when I disagree with a post. Particularly when the OP is unfoundly critisizing United IMHO.

I also leave a name so people can reply if they so wish. I'd encourage you to either get over it or skip to the next post!

HB


 

 

27 Mar 2013 12:57:59
Ed001.

In our current system, if you could choose 1 player that's ever graced the premier league to join Liverpool, who would you sign?

Apples '96' {Ed001's Note - tough one, I am going to go with Vieira, purely because that is, for me, the most important part of the pitch and he is the best from the Prem era in there.}


Alan Shearer - without goals you are nowhere

Puzzled


Viera would be my choice too, Ed.


Someone's got to say it:

Giggs.

There.

;0)


Schmeichel

Those dropped points would be wins.


Tangent time! How did the 18's do and play today?


Thierry Henry for me

Ack17


Ronaldo.


Denis Bergkamp.

Genius.

Kev79


Claude Makelele! Strange choice I know, but the best player in that position ever in my opinion.

Failing that I'd have Sami Hyppia in a heartbeat!

Papa G


Roy Keane


The irony of 4 United players being named.

AJH


Ronoldo MATTYLFC


Didier Drogba, knows how to win the matches for u and a nightmare the whole match.

AJ


Howard webb


Robbie Fowler

WilE


Roy Keane. manc git and all the rest but he's just what we need. The bit of steel and drive we're missing in the middle.


I've got to go with Viera, too. The best player from the PL era, for me.
He could control a game and as it was my old (and preferred, cough cough) position, I'm a bit biased.
Rigsby.


Fowler. As he is god


Klinsman


Ian rush, even in his twilight years he was still Ian rush

Bob bobbinson


28 Mar 2013 03:06:24
Alonso
ynwa


Ronaldo because of the amount of positions he could fill in our patchy team.


28 Mar 2013 07:54:42
Cantona. We were offered him ddi d not take him and look what happened. Without him Manchester United would not have won all those titles instead of us.
iggypop


Hate to say it but it has to be Giggs, consistently brilliant for 22 years and even at 109 years old makes top defenders look like bambi on ice when he drops a shoulder.


Keane or Bergkamp both oozed with class

ghuman


Roy Keane, its obvious! Uglygeordiegenius


Bergkamp one of my all time favourites if he'd have played for us he would have been a god and talked about in the same breath as King Kenny, God Fowler, Rushie and the like


There are a fair few players that need to be mentioned but for me its Matt Le Tissier and G. Zola.
G. Zola is like Suarez.

FowlerGod.


Andy Carroll


I can't believe anyone is even thinking about Keane.


Paul Scholes for me but can't disagree with the likes of Bergkamp and Keane.


Glen hoddle


 

 

27 Mar 2013 17:15:39
Dont believe it but thought i'd ask is it tue that newcastle going to bid 8 million for joe allen hope so as think he is awfull
Lfclee {Ed002's Note - I doubt it.}


Fantastic post shows true support for our players. Give the guy a chance he has the ability and early season form shows how good he can be. He has come to a bigger club and is not playing in his natural position. I am only guessing that you wanted Lucas out afte a season but now you tell your friends how you always supported him


Naa he's not French its probably Joe Le Taxi you heard about


 

 

27 Mar 2013 15:56:41
I heard from my bro jus a minute ago who has a well respected source in footie not Liverpool I was told not to say who so please respect that that LFC are going to replace rodgers with carlo Anclottie (spelling)I think it would be a bad move because I think buck will get us there {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers about this story.}


What a load of rubbish you can't say the name of this source as he doesn't exsist or is it just your imaginery friend, Liverpool won't get rid of Rodgers and do you honestly believe that any of the top managers out there would be coming to us we were forced between Rodgers and Martinez as van gaal ruled himself out


27 Mar 2013 19:34:36
Its not rubbish at all they have made a mistake a new man like him will get the quality in and he will have plenty of funds thank me when it happens who ever u are


The reason he can't tells us his name is because he does not know it, do you know the name of the homeless guy outside your local mcdonalds, you know the one with all the transfer gossip for 30p.


Whatever happened to the fella with the cardboard guitar?


I hope we don't do a knee jerk and change managers again, it would be commercial suicide.
I think Rodgers just need to get his act together ie transfers and management structure as I think something is defo not right with attitudes etc.
Would also be nice to see someone with a bit of savvy to help him in the aquisition in playing staff dept.
Also the scouting system needs an overhaul and PPl need to be kicked up the backside or shown the door.


 

 

27 Mar 2013 15:30:27
Really disgusted with the amount of Shelvey-bashing I've seen recently. Completely out of order, he's a talented kid who has by and large been very promising. It's just one more ridiculous whine after another. Starting to question whether Liverpool fans really are as knowledgable as we like to think we are.


Why is it out of order? There has to come a time when performance has to outweigh promise. He was given an opportunity at the beginning of the season to cement a place in the team and score goals and he hasn't taken that opportunity. Personally I think he is a squad player at Liverpool, nothing more.

BrisbaneLFC


Sure, I don't believe he will be the next Stevie G or anything, I think the chances are he will always be more of a squad player, but a good squad player. Calling him 'hopeless' and 'Championship quality at best, ' like I have seen on here several times, is what is out of order. As for performances, he has played about 30 games this season and been poor in about 5. Surprise, surprise that turns out to be enough for the knee-jerkers to get their pitchforks out. Very sad.


So by you train of thought both stirling and suso don't have what it takes.


The way he had a go at fergie after getting sent off he's in my starting 11 every week.


Im not a lover of Shelvey, But and its a big But, if he did stop at LFC then he needs to work on his fitness and speed as he's the most clumsy lethargic young player I've seen for a long time.


Football is a squad game. The likes of Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher and Park could never be described as world class, but they won titles by doing a job when required. Shelvey, Flannagan and Coady are the same. I would rather keep them as squad players than this idea of selling three players to replace them with one "world class" player. What happens when his acl goes in the first pre-season match?

Lucas Lovechild


I haven't seen many having a go at him. He's a very good squad player to have and I like his style when you're going for broke and need a goal! He's just not part of a structured midfield, really.


 

 

27 Mar 2013 15:14:49
Wow man united what a team, wonderfully represented in the england national team by geat players such as welbeck, cleverly and ashley young who make messi look useless.

Lil Red


Yes, why doesn't Roy just look to the likes of Downing, Carrol and Jonjo - then they'll be on a par with the world's best! Tut tut Roy

HB


27 Mar 2013 17:37:26
Hey Hb, have you ever tried going on the United page. You seem to hang around this page a lot. Inevitably you waste your time trying to annoy people who mostly don't fall for it. That is your life, it seems.


Welbeck? A great player? HA ha ha ha ha ha ha


We all know caroll isn't the best hence why he isn't playing for us but I'm sure jonjo could pass the ball around for ninety minute without looking lost, which makes him better than cleverley, downing has more assists or goals than young so what value do the 3 add to the squad?

Lil Red


27 Mar 2013 18:06:05
difference is uniteds average players can win the league where as ours struggle for top 8


HB, I refer you to my post a few weeks ago about Downing having more goals and assists than Young, Valencia and Nani combined. I think that warrants at least a 20 minute run out if Young manages it!

JFT 96

JP


Jolly Red - you're not living up to your name today, sir! :) I spend more time on the United page and post a lot more over there, sad I know, I should probably get on with my work! In honesty, I thought my response answered the OP and was just as merited as the point he/she made.

JFT - I did respond at the time that that stat is funny given the abuse Downing has received compared to Young. Young has had a very stop start season and has yet to fire up the United team consistetly. I think he is a good squad player but nothing more. I do honestly think he's more dangerous than Downing though (not by that much granted) and it seems that Roy agrees.

HB


HB - In all honesty, I think Villa were laughing all the way to the bank when they cashed in on Downing and Young for a total of £35m looking at what the both of them have achieved since joining.

JFT 96

JP


There all poor watching that last night just shows all the hodgson loving media why we were right I thought bring cleverley and carrick off for parker and lamard


 

 

27 Mar 2013 14:24:04
So is Borini going to stay, It would be a shame if he left because he seems really enthusiastic and he hasn't had much of a chance. Okay he hasn't been very impressive but still it would be a shame.


He is still young, and has been unlucky with injuries, glad he is staying


Compare borini to the strikers at the clubs at the top. He isn't on there level and that's we're we want to be. In fact benteke Von wolfwinkle long cisse etc are better.


He's an Italian international, he's young, and showed great form for Roma last season (this season has been a write-off due to injuries), i'm very happy to have him as our current back-up forward. It's players like Borini that make me hope we manage to qualify for the Europa next year, the perfect opportunity to improve himself and force his way into the team.

Rugby Parker


If I had a choice between Torres and borini in the summer on same wages I would go for borini.


He's going nowhere as he would get injured walking out the door.


What a joke. He's rubbish. The fact that he's in the Italian squad means nothing, they are short of top strikers at the moment.
He is not good enough in any form for this club


I would like to and will give the lad a chance but you have to realise he scored goals in a poor league where most super stars like Kaka and Shevchenko have left and failed in other leagues. Think we should limit expectations and be pleasently surprised if he does anything good for the club.

K-Man


I think the jury is still out on Borini, not done a lot but then he's always injured.
Maybe that's a warning sign in itself and move him on, we always seem to buy crocks who can't play a run of games.


Borini is a class act with a lot of potential. His vision and movement off the ball is as good as Torres in 08/09 but his finishing isn't quite there yet. He needs to be CF though, so probably it should be between him and Sturridge in front of Suarez, whoever is on form.


 

 

27 Mar 2013 13:34:25
Hi eds and fellow posters.
I think with Allen being out for the rest of the season I'd definitely like to see Henderson played for the remaining games. I feel he has been hard done-by a little and deserves to be playing at the moment.
I'd also like to see Shelvey given a loan deal for the following season to a prem club. It is very early to be talking of such deals but I firmly believe there would be a number of prem clubs willing to take him.
What are other fans thoughts on this?
Thanks


Which premiership clubs in their right mind would take Shelvey on loan? He is hopeless.


Totally agree, Shelvey would benefit hugely from a full season of competitive first team football.

We need him to go to a team that like to pass it around, somewhere like Wigan (if they are still in the Prem, which I think they will be) or West Brom.

We could then see if he has what it takes or not.


Well unnamed poster he is a regular England U21 player? Scores goals I don't see why clubs wouldn't be interested?


Typical slating of players from anonymous posters. The likes of Aston Villa, Stoke, Fulham, Reading, Wigan, Sunderland and Norwich could all benefit from a player like Shelvey on loan.
DT


He should go on loan to a Prem club and get prem experience. Not go down to the level of championship, where he will look good. Time to prove himself.


If I paid half a million for Shelvey I would think I’d have been robbed, he is useless.


Would like to see him in a team like swansea or southampton for a year just to see wether he can handle the high pressing and quick passing! there's no doubt the kid has talent but I don't think his mind is quick enough to keep the ball moving but I think he has got a bright future so stop slating him reds please!


You people are really annoying me!
Shelvey is a good young player with loads of potential, persons posting trash on sites like this are an embarrassment to true Liverpool fans.
We all need to pull together and back our young players not continually slate them, he wears our famous red shirt and just because of that deserves our support.
Some of our support these days is just a joke!

You buy yourselves a shirt and subscribe to Sky then call yourselves supporters.

Derek


 

 

27 Mar 2013 13:23:11
Ed002 u have talked previously about fsg appointing another footballing person to help rodgers (assuming he is still here)next season. Do u still think they will look to hire this person over the summer and has any progress been made? {Ed002's Note - I don't know about progress but I would expect them to continue to look for someone. Anything that helsp toward consistency has to be a good thing.}


 

 

27 Mar 2013 11:51:29
If Pepe does leave the club in summer which I think is 50/50, do you see Ochoa as a likely replacement?, he keeps mentioning in the press Liverpool are interested in him. True or just his agent trying to hype him up?


 

 

27 Mar 2013 10:39:52
watched wales give Croatia a real good go last night for a lad of 19 against some quality players of Croatia johnathon Williams looks an outstanding prospect hell of a work rate confident on the ball doesn't panic quick feet played some real njice touches and dare I say it Ashley Williams and ben davies both of Swansea played very well these lads can really play and as I say against quality players


27 Mar 2013 11:27:08
I don't think people would be so up in arms about signing Williams if he didn't play for Swansea.

As you can probably tell, I don't mind at all! He looks like he would improve the squad and that's really the most important thing, surely?


I just think he is awful, not because of his club. But I have been wrong before and it does seem like quite a likely move. Let's stop dreaming about dede shall we.


But, but Dede has 81 pace on fifa.


 

 

27 Mar 2013 01:54:43
Eds, I'd imagine this to be a nice change from most questions asked, but what is going on with Kristoffer Petersson our young Swede? I've watched him quite a few times and his ball control and dribbling are exceptional. Could we soon see this young lad be promoted to first team duties? {Ed001's Note - he has yet to cement himself as first choice in the stiffs, I very much doubt he will get a first team shot ahead of Ibe and the like. Though a few injuries in wide areas and that might change. It is more likely he will get a loan move, though probably next season now.}


 

 

27 Mar 2013 09:30:46
No gainsaying the fact that Gerrard was shocking yesterday, very overrated. Not a surprise anyway that Liverpool have been mid-table at best. Couldn't pass to save his life, lost the ball countless times, way too slow and totally outclassed at the middle of the park by an average team.
GunUp.


Gr8 as long as its in that white jersey I cudnt give a rats
5 gold stars


The players were bad, but the tactics were awful. Gerrard had a mixed game in my view, some of his passes were awful though. Also glen Johnson is at fault for the goal, welbeck makes 2 great blocks then glen pushes him over leaving space for the goal.


No one covered themselves in glory. However, in defence of Stevie he had a lot of the ball and was getting into positions where he was very active. Frankly, some of the other players were anonymous.


Stevie had a poor game but created the goal. But if you want to know who was shocking how about cleverley. How he is in the united or England team is beggers belief.


27 Mar 2013 12:03:18
cleverly is in both teams. coz. alex


Isn't he the one who after the Olympics said 'don't see what's so special about Olympians, footballers make sacrifices too'. Total person if you ask me.
Aardvark JFT96


You "pinks" really do have problems for next season!
Gerrards legs have gone-given a lesson last night and by Saints the previous weekend. He seems to think he can get by following Beckham "just here for the free kicks and corners".
So, need to replace Gerrard, Suarez, Carragher and Skirtel (maybe Reina)but will find money is still tight.
Good luck!


 

 

27 Mar 2013 09:12:22
England were shocking last night - but who else have we got to bring in? To think the future is Shelvey and Henderson sends a shiver down my spine.


Ummm. Wilshere?

Even as an LFC fan he is the brighest spot for England now and moving forward.


Brightest spot yet has no end product, goals? assists? overrated spot more like!


The lad is only 20, remind me what age stevie g started scoring on a regular basis 23/24


 

 

27 Mar 2013 09:10:15
Watched the England game last night. Some terrible performances (Cleverly, Carrick etc. ) but I honestly think the worst was Glen Johnson, he was hopeless.


You forgot about Gerrard not passing to a white shirt all night, being off the pace, linking up play was non existent. But as long as you mentioned the united players, that seems to be ok. I do agree that johnson was rubbish though.


Gerrard was hopeless as well.


Glen Johnson has been the luckiest player in the premiership. All the clubs he has played for and been transferred for big money and he is at best average. In fact he is not even the best right back at Liverpool never mind England.


Mentioning Carrick in that post is just lazy, he was the only England payer picking out striker's feet when they were in possession. Cleverly, Gerrard and Joohnson were all poor but then it was a poor team performance TBH. I'm not sure Cleverly or the manager know exactly what he should be adding to the team?

HB


Carrick might as well have not been on the pitch in the 2nd half, he was hopeless. And Cleverly was woeful in the 2nd half as well. Gerrard and Johnson both had rubbish games - until the last few minutes when Gerrard suddenly woke up. Rooney was the only player on form for 90 minutes.

Red Ollie


I didn't really pay that much attention to the England game, even if they qualify they only disappoint you in the end, not worth wasting my life/time on watching them, put a video on instead or spend some time with the kids/girlfriend/wife, far more rewarding.


Yet you watch the pinks, very strange because that is a total waste of time


Who are the pinks? and what I choose to do with my time is my business! get your own banter page yer fairy!


Easy to say that hp but what use was carricks passes when they lead to nothing a tall joe allen comes to mind end of the day it was the managers fault


 

 

 
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