Liverpool Banter Archive June 27 2015

 

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27 Jun 2015 22:13:12
Hey Eds!
Is Benteke the only striker we are interested in now? Do you know of any other strikers we might be looking at?

Thanks

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27 Jun 2015 22:42:28
Ed002 was very kind and did a long list for us earlier today.

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27 Jun 2015 22:44:10
Sunday Mercury reporting LFC have bid 40m for Aston Villa's Christian Benteke and offered wages of 150k per week.

The Belgian has apparently been guaranteed to start every game and will be made captain and wear the iconic number 9 shirt in the first 45 mins of every match and Steven Gerrards old no 8 shirt after each break.

To save his legs LFC will also recruit Theo Walcott as his runner.

Great news if true.

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28 Jun 2015 01:05:06
Aha boom love the end statement, it's like legit no sarcasm.

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28 Jun 2015 01:33:56
Benteke is a donkey.

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28 Jun 2015 06:41:40
Yuri mate, not right for our project yes, but donkey, seriously? The man scored more than our strikers combined last season and deserves a little respect.

I would prefer a different type of striker yes but i hope we refrain from this constant petty shit. It makes us all look like dicks.

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28 Jun 2015 07:55:46
Benteke has scored 42 goals in 88 games for villa so he is an established and proven 1 in 2 striker.
Throwing around casual insults at very good players doesn't make lfc fans look very intelligent or well informed.
Yes there are other strikers I would prefer ahead of Benteke, but a donkey he is definitely not.

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28 Jun 2015 09:30:09
look at how many goals andy carroll and ricky lambert scored before they came to the club. Buying that type of striker has never worked out for us (although lambert hadnt been given much of a chance). I honestly don't get what this transfer committee gets paid for I'm not saying the players they are bringing in are bad players they're either not what we need or players who won't fit our style of play. The amount of money we have spent over the past few season we should be right up there challenging for the title.

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28 Jun 2015 09:32:13
He's a very good player but the only reason I would rather see Aubameyang, Walcott or similar instead is we play at our best with plenty of movement upfront to make the most of Coutinho/Hendo who thrive on playing through balls. To make the most of Benteke we'd have to change our style of play and get better wingers who can cross the ball.

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27 Jun 2015 22:12:40
Hiya eds 1st tym typer here lol just wanted to know if you have any idea on the situation with benfica,s eduardo salvio apparently Liverpool had agreed sum think in principal with benfica but transfer on halt due to injury can u shed ne lite on current situation eds please 😊

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{Ed002's Note - See previous answer please.}

27 Jun 2015 22:04:26
Seems like the players that I would rather the club sign don't seem to be the ones the club want. First firmino over kovacic, clyne over what we have already, benteke over bacca. Everyone got excited for the firmino deal thinking we would follow it up with other top quality signings. Yet we overly paid for firmino in the first place and it wasn't a coup at all. The best thing about this window is we are getting our deals done early, apart from this its business as usual, just like the other 3 summers under BR and the infamous transfer committe.

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27 Jun 2015 22:26:07
I wondered how many days of no signings it would take for the first depressing message haha

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27 Jun 2015 22:41:13
eds have repeatedly said Firmino and Kovacic are not linked.

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27 Jun 2015 22:56:12
I never though Roberto was Mateo's type.

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28 Jun 2015 01:02:08
Well, if realism means depressing then so be it. The state of the club is depressing at the moment. Look how embarrassing last season was. The club is run badly from top to bottom, regardless of these positions being filled by people with good intentions. Ultimately my point about the transfers was correct, £29million for firmino who could actually turn out to be a flop (I know I have my reservations). Yet when it comes to actually top quality proven players that perform on a CONSISTENT basis, we seem to money pinch. At the end of the day if people are disagreeing with me that the transfer comittee, Ian ayre and BR are out of depth, then there are too many young fans to recognise how much better things where before.

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28 Jun 2015 01:27:22
Kman, the window hasn't officially opened yet and you're moaning about who we haven't signed. Even the big player we did buy you think we've over paid for yet he's never even played for the club!!

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28 Jun 2015 01:57:36
without champions league to offer, how do we get top talent over teams like MUFC without overpaying? Just curious so we can adopt that policy for future signings

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28 Jun 2015 02:22:20
We may have paid more than other clubs were willing to for Firmino, but cannot say we overpaid yet. Give him a chance and if he has a good season, and we make top 4 than we paid what was needed to get him and all worked out.

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28 Jun 2015 04:24:53
And how is kovacic any more proven thana a player like firmino? How is bacca any more proven than benteke in the Epl ( though I do prefer bacca) the point is there are rarely any guarentees in players and the ones you're disappointed with have an equal chance as of succes as the ones you wanted. Look at ozil, cost 10 mil more than sanchez. Both are quality but with the exception of a few games he's hardly set the epl alight. So who's are these players that can DEFINITELY make a difference and what are the chances of them actually wanting to sign for us?? All very well to moan but it's not as simple as that.

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27 Jun 2015 21:53:31
What was the team in Turkey that was rummoured to (maybe) being interested in Balotelli?

Ba has just been sold by Besiktas (I know cluthching at straws but I can only hope)!

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27 Jun 2015 23:33:18
That would be Mormunithansensespor

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{Ed007's Note - Good one there. :)

28 Jun 2015 02:14:06
Took a second that boom. Good one that

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27 Jun 2015 21:19:33
Hey eds!
What do you think, do we have any chance on bacca?
A last moment bid?
Considering milan are pushing fast for his signature.
Will we make a bid for him?
Or is he out of the list now?
Thankyou

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation.}

27 Jun 2015 21:16:12
Can't understand why we're looking at brining in a CM when we have the German U21 star playing as centre half, surely Can is the answer to CM, if he's deemed good enough to be the lynchpin of the German side surely he can do the same for us?

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27 Jun 2015 22:05:37
Great lynch pin ;) lol

Nah can is far from ready, it's just uneducated fans who see an alright performance and believe there 'world class'

His main issue is his fitness, it's awful. He is always panting like he's ran a marathon 5,10,15,45,69 mins.

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27 Jun 2015 22:44:25
Hmmm wasn't doing much lynch pinning against Portugal U21

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27 Jun 2015 22:54:46
Has always looked completely lost in midfield in the Prem games he's played there. Love him as a player but let's have it right about where he is right now.

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27 Jun 2015 22:58:14
Has a poor game and the 'true fans' jumping on his back straight away when they were all going in after his goal and assist. He's young and he's going to have poor games learning but he was one of our best players last season out of position. Let's learn to support our players and not trash them after a poor game and we might help them play better through support

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27 Jun 2015 23:15:27
Can has great potential and will be a great player in time, but he is not ready yet. If he gets the dm starting place over lucas we won't even get near the top four by november.
He needs more time to develop.
Lucas does that role better and more reliably than any other player we have.
What on earth is the matter with BR trying to force out the best dm we have?

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27 Jun 2015 23:41:23
Spot on Redman96.

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28 Jun 2015 00:10:41
Think he played one game in midfield in the league so can't really judge on that. If the team's fitness is poor that's down to the poor coaching team including the manager

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28 Jun 2015 05:02:27
Redman96, I have never seen anyone here refer to can as World Class. He is a good player with potential for improvement.

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28 Jun 2015 06:52:06
Can will be an excellent player but needs to be given the chance to play in his preferred position to develop.

Redman as fans we are perfectly entitled to appreciate one of our players, is that not what fans are supposed to do or should we just constantly criticise.

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29 Jun 2015 01:31:12
People say Can is poor in midfield yet barely ever plays there hence, how can you call a midfielder who never plays in midfield, a poor player because that is just hogwash?

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27 Jun 2015 21:13:44
hi eds, Daily Star reporting that we have a deal in place to sign Eduardo Salvio from Benfica. Any truth? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Sounds like an old story - didn't they announce him signing more than a month ago? Certainly his agent was in England at the time, but in London discussing another player. Exciting times I guess, and very bold of Liverpool to sign a player suffering such a serious injury.}

27 Jun 2015 20:27:36
Have seen rumours that Luiz Adriano could be available for £5.5mil. Haven't seen much of him or bacca but wondered what people's opinions were on who would be the best deal if we were to show interest in Adriano.

Cheers

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27 Jun 2015 21:30:57
I'd take him for that price yeah.

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27 Jun 2015 22:29:47
I too would take him for that price with Bacca moving to Milan, Benteke liable to require a Firmino* sized fee, Rondon who will himself cost some money to take him from zenit with them having paid 15m for him. doesn't leave too many options; either stick with Balotelli, get Llorente or Luiz Adriano who is a better fit to how we play than Llorente/Benteke or just not buy a striker with Firmino,Origi,Ings all coming in.
A provisional forward line of the players we have available now(below) is okay but lacks seniority upfront.
ST: Origi/Ings - LAM/SS/RW: Coutinho, Firmino, Ibe.
Another thing with Luiz Adriano, Is he available to us. won't a work permit be a stumbling block? or does he have Ukraine citizenship because he has been there since 07/08.

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28 Jun 2015 04:28:23
I'd rather just stick with what we have than sign adriano or llorente. We have so many strikers we won't know what any are capable of unless they are given a decent run ( not 7 mins at the end of each game) of we get a striker then they need to be top quality or don't bother.

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28 Jun 2015 07:05:03
I think a work permit may be an issue and possibly the reason he has not been targeted by other epl teams already. That or he is just not good enough.

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27 Jun 2015 20:02:49
Liverpool will not be making a bid for Carlos Bacca.

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27 Jun 2015 21:12:14
Oh well.


Next!

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27 Jun 2015 22:03:56
Bacca to square one Ron!

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27 Jun 2015 22:39:10
Brendan, sorry, Ron, would like Benteke as he is totally clueless

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27 Jun 2015 23:56:25
Could be worse could be from Essex.

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27 Jun 2015 23:06:34
I don't want Benteke.
I think you're being harsh calling Benteke clueless.

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27 Jun 2015 23:36:40
Ron is better looking than Brendan. Although we can't see his gnashers in that pic.

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27 Jun 2015 22:54:53
Haha, nice one boom

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28 Jun 2015 00:12:36
Being from Essex is nothing compared to looking as you do like Hans Moleman

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28 Jun 2015 03:01:55
Yes I'm a fictional character from a tv show. You proved my point.

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27 Jun 2015 19:17:26
Hernandez really they won't sell to us any truth eds cheers

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

27 Jun 2015 20:07:07
It's for next season anyway, when his contract runs out. So they won't have a choice!

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27 Jun 2015 19:15:23
Bacca on his way to AC Milan

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27 Jun 2015 23:22:57
It's all about winning trophies and playing in the Champions League for the top lads.

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28 Jun 2015 10:47:16
Milan aren't in the champions league

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28 Jun 2015 11:11:24
Look up irony in the Oxford English Mr DooDa.

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27 Jun 2015 18:58:03
Hi eds long long time no see.hope your all fit and well.just wanted too say I'm liking the players that have come in too date,hopefully 1 or 2 more fingers crossed.my question too you eds,Rodgers has said sweet FA about any of the players that have come in.i for one am thinking not all is well,could it be that he has had his day and that's players coming in are for someone new in the hot seat.if not Fsg have done a fine job with the players coming in,and keeping Rodgers lips shut.cheers all.
jay jay essex Red for life red till dead.
win lose or draw lfc for life

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28 Jun 2015 00:19:14
jayjay, i have been having similar thoughts today about BR that maybe he has actually already been replaced and condition of his settlement is to be quiet. even on holiday people have phones and journalists will have been hounding him about losing pascoe and marsh, i see them going as the new manager will bring his own backroom team.
the players coming in also don't all seem BR type players, again could be in-coming managers shopping list. a few players renewing contracts when things were not looking good, maybe they know a change is coming?
im kind of primed for a bombshell announcement on 1st July when contracts are up and as Klopp has gone radio silent for the last month i'm hoping its that! hey stranger things have happened.

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28 Jun 2015 09:27:33
Nice post there red ink,I must say I will not be shocked if that is the case something is not right Rodgers could not keep limelight if he tyred so for me news will break that the change is coming,there is no way rodgers is in a good place at the minut.maybe the eds know ssomething on this eds
fgs and lfc I trust.

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27 Jun 2015 18:42:25
Any truth in bacca to Milan rumours. Word is they have agreed a fee and personal terms. Guess that means benteke is our no.1 target unfortunately. Personally would love lacazette but going by the eds posts it's not going to happen. We can dream YNWA also thanks eds for all your great work and info

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{Ed030's Note - Milan have permission to speak to Bacca. }

27 Jun 2015 19:29:27
Wouldn't mind Rondon myself. 25, strong, good touch, clinical, bit of pace.

He suits being a lone striker and with Coutinho, Firmino, Ibe, Lallana and Milner all offering us dynamic attacking midfielders we should create a lot of chances for him.

Haven't seen him play much since he left for Russia, only Europa league games but he looks class. Obviously I'd prefer Bacca, but if it comes down to Benteke or Rondon then it's a no brainer for me.

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27 Jun 2015 20:16:25
Hope we don't go for Benteke, Rondon for me.

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27 Jun 2015 20:35:18
I just don't like Rondon's name. Sounds like Scooby Doo asking for contraception

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27 Jun 2015 20:35:47
He's the one player we've been linked with that I hope we really don't sign. If you haven't seen him much why are you endorsing him as another signing ? If we really need a clueless lump up top we've got Balotelli who's better.
ANFIELDPETE

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27 Jun 2015 21:31:43
With Bacca to Milan almost done, I hope it doesn't force Liverpool to get Benteke or Rondon.
Benteke wouldn't suit us. As for Rondon, my opinion may be biased but I haven't seen him at Zenit, and what I saw of him at Malaga wasn't that impressive.
Considering that Malaga was his first time in Europe, it might be a bit harsh, but that's all I've seen of him.
The striker I would want now that Bacca is unavailable is Theo Walcott. He has grown and doesn't rush his finishing like he used to.
Alternatively, Mauro Icardi. Don't know much about his personality - the Eds might do - but he's a goalscorer.
In my opinion, we can go ahead with the ones we've.

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27 Jun 2015 21:58:59
Rondon is like benteke with no PL experience

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27 Jun 2015 23:25:18
Rondon is like Benteke only no-one has actually watched him play. Do people really connect their Gronk dongle to their PSPboy thingy and watch the Russian Soopa Ligy? Nah. Didn't think so.

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28 Jun 2015 03:05:56
Dost, Mitrovic or Volland for me.

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28 Jun 2015 06:58:06
Mitrovic is a good shout

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27 Jun 2015 18:32:22
Come on FSG you've been very decisive so far let's just finish it off.

Get bacca then you've all summer to off load the unwanted players.

I know 20mil for a 28 year old doesn't look like good business but if he gets us top 4 it's worth every penny.

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27 Jun 2015 17:10:43
Long time fan of the page. Lost log in details of previous account.

Throw my peice out there.

Gaitan benfica.

Suits us and available.

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{Ed002's Note - No interest from Liverpool and is heading elsewhere unless Benfica block the move.}

27 Jun 2015 17:25:08
Eds can you block all posts regarding attacking mids or wingers for a month please?

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27 Jun 2015 17:26:06
Shame I've rated him highly for a while and think he would have handled the prem league better then markovic. don't get me wrong the best is yet to come from the kid.

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27 Jun 2015 23:09:53
The 27 year old kid who doesn't look like he could fight his way out of a wet paper bag? Who scored 4 in the Portuguese league last season.

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27 Jun 2015 17:04:46
Ed002 don't you think G.Medel will be useful to us than both Kova and Hernanes? if inter really want to sell one midfielder, i'll want G.Medel.

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{Ed002's Note - Medel only moved last year, isn't for sale and Liverpool has zero interest in him. Am I missing something?}

27 Jun 2015 16:35:20
Ed002 I have been reading some of your posts about some English clubs being sold around 2017 and you said "The worst case scenario would be institutional ownership" I was wondering why is that

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{Ed002's Note - 2017 will see a significant boost in value of Premier League clubs as the first of the new TV monies come through. Some owners will look to sell at this time to reap rewards from their investments. Several clubs will be valued at a level where it will be difficult to find individual buyers so you will see more investment groups (such as FSG) becoming involved. In some case institutional owners (e.g. Far Easter insurance companies, Chinese new money banks etc.) will be looking to investing in the sport in England because the potential returns are high. Whilst FSG keep throwing good money after bad at Liverpool there will come a time that if significant success on field is not happening then they will look to move on. If they were to sell, say, to a Chinese bank then the new owners interest will be in obtaining a return for their investors - and they will look to that return without necessarily continuing to invest in the club.}

27 Jun 2015 17:57:44
They only have themselves ro blame by appointing and then keeping a very poor manager in role despite it being very evident he is dragging the club down

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27 Jun 2015 20:48:49
English football at the level we're still at has turned into a big willy contest between foreign investors and has completely lost it's soul. It's going to get far, far worse over the coming two years or so. We may as well start publishing the League Tables in the Financial Times.

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27 Jun 2015 23:31:08
700m profit for shuffling the squad and selling our best players. And adding a fewposh seats to a stand. Not bad work if you can get it. I'm being a bit disingenuous. They did do the Dunkin' Donuts deal.

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27 Jun 2015 16:25:39
Hernanes lacks in attitude when a game is not going well, in my opinion he would not be a good addition to LFC

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27 Jun 2015 16:39:23
Has he even been mentioned?

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27 Jun 2015 17:09:00
First I've heard of this, thought inter wanted rid but not too us.

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27 Jun 2015 14:46:49
Hi eds

Not Liverpool related .........

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{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages.}

27 Jun 2015 14:17:56
Hi eds

Just seen on the Arsenal page that Vidal will probably move and not to be surprised to see a player going the other way.

Have we shown any interest and are Juventus interested in any players we are looking to move on maybe skrtel or Borini or possibly even Markovic if his time is up?

Thanks for any information keep up the great work

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

27 Jun 2015 16:05:05
Champions league finalists . Borini??

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27 Jun 2015 14:06:02
i cannot for the life of me see why where interested in benteke!!weve made some brilliant signings and then this!i just hope he's too expensive for us i would rather we sign no striker than waste x ammount on a striker that dosen't fit our style of play!

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27 Jun 2015 17:07:59
Me, neither. Lazy, unfit for the system, not worth the money nor the hassle. Beggars belief, really.

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27 Jun 2015 22:25:20
Benteke doesn't fit our style of play. Even though we don't even have a style of play. You see Brenda went to a Bielsa symposium and got all confused or some weird shit. Then Basel bamboozled him and after unravelling their devious plan he shamelessly nicked it. But LVG sussed it (how he knew about 3 at the back I'll never know) and he spoiled it all for us. So The Nose came up with a cunning plan. A plan so cunning you could call it a goalie & 10 midfielders. So anyways , as I was saying, no need for Benteke. The only thing he's good for is banging in Premier League goals at a rate of 1 every 2 games. Seriously, that's his level. So how anyone thinks he's remotely good enough to replace the free scoring Balotelli, Borini & Lambert I'll never know.

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28 Jun 2015 04:37:21
Good post boom, it's not like we should be looking to keep the 'style' of play we had last year!! Brendan likes to play everyone out of position so having someone who can actually score can only help. Even if we have to get skrtl lumping it up to him I'd rather see that thab see what we were served up at Stoke again.

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27 Jun 2015 13:22:12
Eds, are we still looking at a forward or do you think we plan on playing firmino as a forward? We have so many young attacking options (ibe origi ings oyo etc) I'm beginning to hope we don't sign another forward

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

27 Jun 2015 13:08:15
If the Clyne deal is completed.

. any thoughts on what it means for the futures of Wisdom and Manquillo, particularly as Gomez can play right-back?

And, on the basis that we ideally want two players for every position, any thoughts as to where we will be on the left-back position by the start of the season? Moreno plus who?

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27 Jun 2015 13:41:19
The club are clearly trying to offload a number of players so I suppose it will depend if we get any takers for Enrique and whether we are prepared to pay for the early release of Manquillo.

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27 Jun 2015 15:54:13
For me Flanagan is the second Left back and Wisdom the reserve right back two good 'defenders'. Flanno was great on the left rather than the right. Moreno/Clyne? being better in attack!

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27 Jun 2015 16:48:16
Flanno could be out for another year ? Unlikely he will ever come back I feel. At ,east not for a long period.

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27 Jun 2015 22:50:07
Give the second LB spot to Smith. I'd take him with on tour and use him continuously at LB to help him gain back some of that confidence BR made him lose playing him at LM vs Chelsea?

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27 Jun 2015 12:11:45
I know everyone is getting excited by the new signings and potential signings.

But to me the most important changes this summer will be coach/managerial ones. I'm just reminded by last summer where we bought a lot of decent (at the time) signings.
We all thought we would get at least top 4 and the squad on paper looked more than good enough to deliver that (my view never changed all season) but the management team made a complete mess of man management, formations, etc, etc.

So to me, although the new signings look
good and the team on paper looks good again it will all be a complete waste if we don't have a strong and experienced management/coaching set up in place.
Rodgers still needs to go in order for us to have a successful season. That final game should have been enough for any manager in the world to be sacked, considering a club the size of Liverpool and (no offence) stoke.
Let's hope the background changes are made so we can get the best out of our new squad.

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27 Jun 2015 14:31:48
Yeah we need the manager from the 13/14 season. To give us some of the best attacking football ever seen at anfield again. Get rid of this joker lol

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27 Jun 2015 17:10:22
The manager of 2014 was a disciple of Bielsa for at least half a season. The BR of last season is the real BR you know, the one who has no idea what he's doing

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27 Jun 2015 17:28:55
The manager that year also threw away the league when it should have been ours, so we under achieved in all of Brendan's seasons in charge in my view.

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27 Jun 2015 19:24:20
What decent signings last year? You mean that load of carp we bought for over £100m when we sold Suarez?

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27 Jun 2015 19:25:52
Are you so self righteous to believe we under achieved when we finished second, but for the rexord slip we win the league its a simple as tha. Who managed the man City win? And the ten before that? get a grip of yourselves if you truly believe he was Beilsas deciple, that's just ed2 taking anything Good Brendan did away from him. He coached that season he got them 2nd and he got us back into the champions league. Simple.

Watch us fly this year!

And here's my little mystic meg impression

'it was the new coaches Pep etc'

'it wasn't his signings'

'he.went back to Beilsas way. Let's get Bielsa'

Just a few snippets from the end of next season.

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27 Jun 2015 20:51:58
Sorry red man can you speak English next time please :)

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27 Jun 2015 21:18:26
I have no knowledge of whether he did, but so what if Brendan implemented advice from another manager.
It happens all the time. Managers study other manager's techniques and formations.

Doesn't make Brendan a poor manager because he took advice, it actually makes him a good manager in my opinion.

At the end of the day, if you criticise his errors, you ought to be man enough to praise his achievements too.

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27 Jun 2015 22:52:28
I remember we over paid for most of them 10m for Lallana, 10m for Lovren. The only forward player with pace we got was Markovic who has the confidence of a snail.

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28 Jun 2015 02:19:53
I always praised Rodgers when he did something good.
He needs to step down and I will praise him again for going.
I have said many times on here I have met him many times and I like him personally and he's a good man and will do anything for anyone. But he needs to step aside for the sake of our club and the sake of his own career.

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27 Jun 2015 11:27:06
Delph at £10 mill would be a great addition to our squad better than Allen,Markovic and Henderson IMO

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27 Jun 2015 12:37:44
Delph better than Hendo and Marko??? please tell your joking or u seriously need to go to a doctor.

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27 Jun 2015 12:52:58
Was that a sick joke?

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27 Jun 2015 14:00:12
Henderson ain't much better than Delphi . Delph was far better in the cup semi .

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27 Jun 2015 14:10:26
1 game? That's your reasoning behind suggesting Delph is better than Henderson. Your having a laugh.

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27 Jun 2015 14:40:28
Delph is very good player, but not consistent enough.

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27 Jun 2015 15:47:09
Delph and Allen are both average.
Hendo is better
Lazar has potential

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27 Jun 2015 17:11:10
Unbelievable!

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27 Jun 2015 17:31:05
Apart from a single wonder goal last season, what else has delph done to deserve such praise?
I can't see what he brings to the team myself.

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27 Jun 2015 10:39:24
What do you guys think of guiseppe Rossi for a forward

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27 Jun 2015 10:46:58
Prob the most injured cf in the history of football. Makes Sturridge look like a week lay off

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27 Jun 2015 11:11:27
Maybe we should go after Icardi, inter seem to love us at the moment!

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27 Jun 2015 13:16:24
Yeah. We definitely need another injury prone striker

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27 Jun 2015 14:41:58
Impressed me every time i have watched him but very injury prone apparently.

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27 Jun 2015 15:50:14
Don't know how any failed to see my sarcasm. Fairly evident we're not inters favourite club at the the moment ( and no I don't want Icardi either!)

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27 Jun 2015 10:09:29
Llorente would be a truly horrific transfer.

7 goals from 31 appearances last term from only 6 full games in Serie A (subbed off 19 times).

70% pass accuracy- terrible.
40% duels won (25% take on completion rate- Our forwards average double that).
47% shot accuracy- bad.
18 Defensive actions all season- poor contribution.
23 chances created with 1 assist all season.

These are truly terrible stats, some of the worst I've seen from any striker at a big club.

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27 Jun 2015 10:33:59
It would be five years too late if we sign him.

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27 Jun 2015 11:01:05
Agreed. Even the Llorente of 2013/14 would of been great. Tevez has ruined him with his dominance.

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27 Jun 2015 10:01:09
Ed002,

Thanks for all the info, you do give a great insight for us and i for one would like to say thank you for your continued efforts.

Could i ask, how did you get in to the world of football and build up the network you have?

You seem to know so much about different aspects of football and know so much about transfers et al.

One thing i would say to posters is ED002, doesn't post on the United site now, about transfers, so let's not bite the hand that is feeding us.would we like the site with the input we get.

Thanks again top all Eds

Regards

Crooky

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{Ed002's Note - I am afraid I cannot go in to my background Crooky.}

27 Jun 2015 10:37:41
I agree entirely Crooky.

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27 Jun 2015 11:26:57
Put in a freedom of information request. Ha ha.

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27 Jun 2015 11:07:03
Its a shame Ed002, but thanks anyway

Crooky

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27 Jun 2015 09:53:33
I have been thinking about our latest signing and have come to conclusion that Sterling must be going.
We are all aware of the financial position of the club and to spend what we have done must mean a major exit- I seem to recall one of the Eds earlier in the week replying to a poster that they may be surprised by a major exit later in the Window.
Firmino plays best I the number 10 role. During the season we came 2nd this was where sterling played best (albeit top of a diamond behind a front 2) and we also have Coutinho and Lallana who, IMO, play to their best in that position.
I don't think it feasible to carry 3, never mind 4 players in that position, so if Sterling was to go are we looking at potentially Coutinho or Lallana exiting too?
Coutinho fits the model perfectly, we have added value since we bought him from Inter and his stock and price will have risen, is this the "surprise" exit an Ed was referring to?

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27 Jun 2015 10:25:42
I personally think coutinho will leave hence the strong push for firmino.

What I do want to add is no matter what anyone says Liverpool have a budge each and every year for additions to the playing squad, we have spent that now hence why things have gone abit quiet. When we raise some more money through sterling, we might go the extra bit and get kovacic and a striker but for now it will be a case of being happy with what we have.

Coutinho & Sterling are definatly going but notice what the club did, no one will be sad because we have firmino and ibe.😊 very clever use of transfers I say.

I think coutinho is off the Munich myself!

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27 Jun 2015 10:50:14
I think coutinho would move in a years time if we ain't at the races . No chance he leaving now . Signed a deal recently and if sterling is off at 40mil I'm sure it would be on a bigger scale for coutinho

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27 Jun 2015 10:54:00
He signed a contract a few months ago and no doubt would have spoken to Firmino before he even agreed to join lfc.

I'm sure he will go at end point but I can't see it being this season.

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27 Jun 2015 11:04:19
Why?

What's coutinho done to warrant a huge figure?

Sterling us English, that's his excuse.

But coutinho at tops will be about 30mil.

Sorry to dissapoint.

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27 Jun 2015 11:18:36
official liverpool site article on What coutinho told firmino about LFC

http://goo.gl/mLvUED

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27 Jun 2015 11:20:41
I think if he does decide to go and he progresses ovee this coming season then he would be valued by Liverpool in excess of £30 million. He won't hang around forever i would guess, without the belief of some trophies soon.

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27 Jun 2015 11:22:29
Why sell coutinho now it makes absolutely no sense you are looking for something which is not there imo

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27 Jun 2015 11:54:43
I think one reason firmino was brought in was to link up with coutinho on the pitch.
They have a good understanding of each other's game at international level.

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27 Jun 2015 12:46:48
one reason we can sell Sterling is because Coutinho overtook him - he is someone we should be spending as much as needed to keep since he will only get better over next few seasons.

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27 Jun 2015 12:54:56
How do they have a good understanding internationally? They have played less than 5 games together for Brazil.

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27 Jun 2015 13:32:36
Suarez was bought to play with Torres wasn't he?

If an offer comes in now for Coutinho they will sell.

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27 Jun 2015 14:39:15
They have played few games together and already link up well, this should be a good thing not a negative?

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27 Jun 2015 14:50:34
If an offer in excess of 100 million comes I they might sell.

No chance on earth we will be selling Coutinho this summer. FSG are aware of what happened when they sold Suarez and tried to replace him with lots of average players. They are not stupid enough to sell Coutinho without a ridiculous offer.

Is Coutinho unsettled? No sign of that.
Are clubs trying to unsettle him? No sign of that.
Is his contract running out? No.

More chance of us selling Firmino this summer IMO.

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27 Jun 2015 17:13:21
Why are we talking about a player who has shown no interest in leaving? Must be a boring day on this forum.

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27 Jun 2015 17:30:11
It makes no sense to say that Coutinho is leaving because Firmino has signed, regarding your post redman96, yes Suarez was bought to play with Torres, but did Torres ever come out and say he was looking forward to play with him , and personally speak to Suarez at how Liverpool was like a "family". You never know in this game but i highly doubt Coutinho will leave!

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27 Jun 2015 19:02:36
Redman you went from; "I think he's going", to "he's definitely going" to "if an offer comes in,,"

He's not going anyway!

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27 Jun 2015 22:56:06
We can have a £50m offer for Coutinho from Madrid/Barca I guarantee we will not sell.

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27 Jun 2015 09:46:09
Would it be fair to say that we r paying slightly over the odds because of no Cham league?

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{Ed002's Note - Not in terms of transfer fees - that would perhaps be the case with wages if trying to persuade a player to make a move when he has other options in the CL.}

27 Jun 2015 09:34:56
I think (actually I know) I'm in the minority here but I actually think Benteke would be an ideal signing - IF there is a change of style to accommodate him.

49 goals in 99 games for a team that's fought relgation is a great return. Having Firminho and Coutinho supplying him I'm confident he'd notch 25 goals in all comps every year. He's also a different option to Sturridge in games against the likes of Stoke where you need a bit of physicality.

I'm all for playing like Barca but you need the right players to do it - if you haven't then you need to find a different formula to win games

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27 Jun 2015 09:54:43
I'm also a bit torn on benteke, I actually think he better than people give him credit for. I think he amazing in the air & has a really good scoring record at a struggling villa side, but with the likes of coutinho lallana & now firmino I think we need a striker that plays on the shoulder who benefits frm clever through balls to split the opposition defences. I just think it would unfortunately prove to be a costly mistake. If he did sign tho he would get my backing

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27 Jun 2015 10:07:07
He's just not top quality. He really isn't a great player. He's like an Emile Heskey. He's a brute physically, but he doesn't put himself about enough and plays for 60 minutes in half the games a season.
He lacks skill
He lacks motivation
He lacks consistency.

I would not want to be signing him when we already have Mario. Benteke is like Mario but with less skill. Mario has struggled to score because we don't play to his strengths. What's the point in paying big money for someone of similar ilk?

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27 Jun 2015 10:10:38
I think he is too static as a striker and he would become another Andy Carroll target man. The season in which we finished second, we had two 'busy' strikers in Suarez and Sturridge, which suited our style of play.

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27 Jun 2015 10:18:22
We have a striker who plays on the shoulder in Sturridge? People also seem to think Benteke can only score goals from crosses into the box. That's clearly not the case. I like that he smashes the ball into the net much like Shearer did.

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27 Jun 2015 10:28:59
I think if we play like Southampton last year or bielsas Bilbao then benteke would he great but right now its got to be a big no.

Its no critism of Rodgers he has his own way of working and gets the best from different type of players, you saw the catastrophe last year when trying to get the team playing with a big man, is never going to work with benteke and Rodgers. Throw whatever stats you want I could care less if benteke was scoring 60 a season and was going for 1 million quid if he doesn't suit us its doesn't make him a bad player nor Rodgers a bad manager.

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27 Jun 2015 10:30:58
Just look at the cup, maybe one of the biggest games in his club career, and mertersacker had him in his pocket

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27 Jun 2015 11:06:25
Just reread and saw if firmino and coutinho supply him, it will be 25 goals a season. Do you watch any of those players?

They are most probably the worst suited for each other you could get.

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27 Jun 2015 11:10:04
Mickie yeah I get what you sayin about we already have a striker who plays on the shoulder but my argument is 2 folds really.
A) we have to try get studge fit for more than a few games at a time without niggles
B) when we achieve that with the amount of wingers number 10s we have (ibe, markovic, lallana coutinho & firmino) do you think Rodgers will play with a 2 man strike force??I've can't see it myself like.

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27 Jun 2015 12:13:31
Whilst I don't think benteke is right for us he does put the fear of God into defenders. He does cause problems in the air but is also pretty good on the ground. We certainly need someone that can worry defenders, you only have to look at the type of goals he scored against us to see what he's capable of. He would be very expensive but played in the right way he will score more than any of our current strikers bar sturridge.Bacca I would certainly prefer, benteke not ideal but if he signs I'll get behind the lad.(and hope we start crossing the ball!)

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27 Jun 2015 13:00:07
Knew my opinion would differ which is what I love about football - every opinion counts.

Just hope that whomever it is we sign hits the ground running and gets the crowd behind them by scoring goals.

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27 Jun 2015 13:03:01
If Mertesacker who is slower than a slug, is able to keep Benteke in his pocket then that tells you all you need to know about him, his mentality and lack of ability. Why get a Benteke who is poor and doesn't fit our system instead of a Carlos Bacca who may be older BUT better ability, mentality, proven winner and won the EL for his club with a brace while Benteke couldn't be arsed to even try in the FA Cup final?

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27 Jun 2015 13:19:09
Definitely agree about the intimation factor regarding Benteke. And because of his size, He is the type of player who could easily distract an entire back four. I'd only take him for half of what Villa are asking though.

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27 Jun 2015 09:03:41
Feel a bit sorry for Mr Ayre at the minute, seen a few ex pros, journos & posters here questioning the firmino transfer fee. Some even saying it was 'brutal'. Now I'll start off by saying I ain't a Mr Ayre fan we have messed so many clubs around with low ball offers & derisory bids it made us a laughing stock in eyes of other clubs. A lot of us fans hav been annoyed by this and just couldn't understand if you want the player bid what selling club asks & get the transfer done. I don't know exact figures for firmino transfer & to be honest it not my issue here it is the fact we have swept in there & paid a fee acceptable for hoffenhiem & agreed a transfer & personal terms with a player very quickly. Us as fans have got to trust the money men at lfc not to overspend & put the club in serious financial trouble and worry more about the players playing on the pitch. I have no idea if firmino will b a success but according to numerous reports on the guy he should fit in & not struggle with the competitive side of the English premier league. Here's hoping in the coming months we talking about money on him being well spent rather than what a waste of 21.3 upto 33mil on him was hey reds? I will finish off by saying while I don't agree with all transfers we have made upto now it is refreshing & great by how quick we doing our business. Here's hoping for a great season

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27 Jun 2015 09:45:47
I never worry about the players fees, the club can afford it don't see them worry about me buying new kits for my kids?

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{Ed002's Note - The club cannot afford the money they are paying without balancing the books in terms of FFP.}

27 Jun 2015 10:04:01
Yeah I tend not to pay too much attention to transfer fees, as the ED'S say there is lots of taxes, agent fees & so on before we get actual figures for the transfer. It jus confuses the whole process & wish we just had a amount from the off which included all these figures. But I 100% agree with ED002 we have got to trim the squad now we might have a big enough squad to fill 2 prem team quotas.

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27 Jun 2015 10:09:52
Fans end up paying in the long run.
Sky subscriptions
Season tickets
Cup games

The other major contributors are advertisers and sponsors.
The problem is completely out of control and the genie is out of the bottle.

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27 Jun 2015 11:59:33
Seems we did pay a lot for him but it might have been a case of we really wanted him and that's how much it was going to take to get him.
He might be worth double that after a good season and nobody will care how much he cost ;)

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27 Jun 2015 12:15:58
I know it's a not a direct comparison but if they want to see a brutal transfer fee they should look at the 60 mil utd paid for di Maria. I'm confident Firmino could deliver a better season than him and at half the price. Can't really complain about the fee until we see what he actually delivers.

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27 Jun 2015 12:49:03
Comes down to same thing, if Sterling is "worth" £50M then Firmino is worth every penny of £29M if that is what is cost to cut the crap and ensure we got him.

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27 Jun 2015 13:04:17
We will only know if the fee was worth it with time.

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27 Jun 2015 08:43:29
Eds is it true that we ended the kovacic interest like it's being reported ?

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

27 Jun 2015 07:26:59
Eds, do you know why we continue to pursue Benteke, most on here including the Eds don't see him as suitable for our style yet every day there are more links including an "improved offer " today.
Why or who is pushing for Benteke.
Thanks guys.

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{Ed002's Note - The club certainly are interested in adding another forward and the focus seems to be on Benteke for now. And he is of the type Liverpool has been showing an interest in. As to why, that would be a question for Mr Rodgers and the folks at the club.}

27 Jun 2015 10:37:14
Other than benteke and bacca - I don't see many other options out there.

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27 Jun 2015 10:39:06
It amazes me that the people making the decisions to spend this kind of money don't have the first idea about what players will work with other player and styles. Who on earth think benteke is the player for us?

Forget money for a second, even if he cost 5 million and 20k a week, he would still be pointless.

They are clearly trying to penny pinch and don't want to pay Bacca wages, it's obvious.

Will they ever learn. No!

They follow up a good piece of business in my opinion (firminho) will a shocking piece benteke.

It really does do my head in!

Hope he proves me wrong.

Ynwa

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27 Jun 2015 11:26:28
@OG, first person I've seen referring to the possible Benteke move as penny pinching. Crazy!

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27 Jun 2015 11:32:01
A pointless transfer, if he's the striker we sign he won't hit double figures, where are the crosses going to come from coutinho, firmino? No they play through the middle, our fullbacks wouldn't cross their legs ,we need a striker similar to sturridge ,why waste 25m on benteke while lambert could do the same

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27 Jun 2015 12:20:09
OG so you're saying they are penny pinching by potentiakly buying a more expensive player who's already on higher wages than Bacca and will demand a big increase on that. Bacca would probably be on half of what Benteke earns.

You may not want benteke but if he joins it's not because they were penny pinching!

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27 Jun 2015 13:03:33
You don't get it do you Sean? Bacca wages would make him more expensive over the time of contract than benteke. No wonder ed don't talk about the money!

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27 Jun 2015 13:06:08
Swisch, it will be that someone at the club has no idea what he is doing

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27 Jun 2015 13:20:16
Swish mate sort it out! Ed has already said benteke wages are going to be less than bacca lol

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{Ed001's Note - less, but not that much less, he is asking for big money too.}

27 Jun 2015 13:48:46
Makes it even less understandable then ed haha I don't understand tgen!

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27 Jun 2015 17:14:54
Makes no sense to me neither, OG

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27 Jun 2015 08:34:50
If can secure Clyne and Bacca I feel additions wise we are done and our squad will definitely be good enough for top 4.

A lot of negativity about the first few months fixtures but what an opportunity to come out the blocks flying against our rivals and either way by Christmas it will give us clarity around the managers position as if around the top 4 by then he will keep his job and if not he will be away .

More concern for me is the sheer volume of 'squad players ' we are going to have to move on or keep happy.

It's going to be a case of having a fire sale or BOGOF as few of these boys have performed and are on cushy contracts.


Centre half wise we are top heavy and the logic in resigning Toure when we already have Skrtel, Lovren, Sakho , Ilori , Wisdom, Jones etc is baffling.

Will the likes of Ilori, Wisdom, Texeira, Rossiter, Origi, Ibe, Sinclair, Markovic be cup players next season only or more likely to go out on loan like Danny Ward has just done.

Great talent here that needs nurturing not ruining.

Hopefully if can move the more senior boys on these young players can gain the opportunities here at Liverpool and as importantly if they do come in and do the business retain their place and not simply put back in the stands due to the wages of another being much higher resulting in them having to play regardless of form.

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27 Jun 2015 09:15:19
I am not worried about having too many players for each position. The big clubs do keep a lot of options. Look at United, they have in midfield Herrera, Blind,Carrick, Di Maria, Fallain, Janusaz, Mata, Young, Valencia, Depay and few other youngsters and they still want to buy one or two more.

I remember in the summer of last year after all the new signings I thought to myself poor Joe Allen, he will not see much of the pitch. I remember I thought aeven coutinho would struggle to get minutes. We all know how it ended. You always have 4-5 players at one time injured or suspended, some turn up to be not good enough, we are playing Europa League as well - so many games, we have to have a big squad.

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27 Jun 2015 13:14:36
Fano, our squad is overloaded and players not good enuff need to get gone. We need a well built squad where ther won't be a drop off in performances if changes are made. Look at the Chesea squad and see for yourself.

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27 Jun 2015 05:53:17
We are a club in crisis we haven't signed anybody in over 36 hours.

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27 Jun 2015 10:10:42
We must be due a signing or a sacking soon

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27 Jun 2015 05:37:59
If we can bring in Kovacic & Bacca I think this has been a successful transfer window for us. Thoughts Eds? Or any other possible signings?

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27 Jun 2015 08:01:19
That would definitely be a successful window. However for it to be very very successful we firstly need a cdm and also we can't really call it a success until we have come top 4

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27 Jun 2015 08:36:50
I'd already call it successful personally as we're stronger than we were with Milner/Firmino and Clyne in the first team and have 2 solid players in all positions e.g.

----------------------Mig/Bogdan-----------------------
Clyne/Wisdom--Skrtel/Illori----Sakho/Lovren---Moreno/Flanno
---------------Hendo/Can-----Milner/Lucas---------------
Sterling/Origi--------Coutinho/Llalana------------Firmino/Ibe
---------------------Sturridge/Ings----------------------

And we still have Toure, Allen, Markovic

An outstanding window would be to sign Bacca as top quality backup to Sturridge and a top DM and perhaps sell Sterling to fund all the moves.

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27 Jun 2015 09:20:42
If we sign bacca I don't think it would be as back up to sturridge it would probably be the other way around until sturridge proved his match sharpness and got a bit of form back which he struggled to get back after his injury last season. Then they would more than likely get played together (hopefully anyway that would he an immense partnership up front)

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27 Jun 2015 09:28:11
We will have to wait and see. 90% here thought last summer we had a very succesful transfer window. Let's talk after our first 5 matches.

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27 Jun 2015 09:33:50
Bacca for me would be the new number 1, Sturridge can't be relied upon anymore as such. Secondly why do people keep putting Sterling in their formations for the new season? Its highly likely he is gone.

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27 Jun 2015 09:51:46
I'd agree with that Brisbane can see Brenda putting bacca in goal too

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27 Jun 2015 11:36:13
Why do people put origi as a winger

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26 Jun 2015 23:15:35
Hi eds, was wondering if Rossiter is back from injury, last I heard he was going to be out for up to a few months with an ankle injury, and was wondering if he'd be back, and if so would he be taken on the preseason tour. Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - he should be fit by now, it was only supposed to keep him out a couple of months and I just checked when the injury was, it was mid-Feb. I would expect him to go on the tour.}

27 Jun 2015 08:20:34
I would like to see him get a good loan where he will be played regularly and developed. He could be an amazing player with the right setting to play in.

Obviously with us collecting midfielders its unlikely he will get a look in next season. So hopefully if he proves himself like ibe did he can come back and get some starts.

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27 Jun 2015 03:27:32
Are we put off by Inter's asking price for Kovacic or is there other factors at play that we haven't bid yet. All the rumours must've came from somewhere. There's no smoke without fire.

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{Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

27 Jun 2015 08:37:34
Read down the posts and there is loads of info about it. Obviously don't want to stump up enough of the fee in cash

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27 Jun 2015 08:27:05
Ed02 i like your succinct replies that denote a subject has been broached many times. I thought it would be fun to run a competition to find alternative phrases. My contribution is. "Played out playa" Do you see what i have done there, football themed but has a touch of swag. What ya think?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't understand anything you are saying.}

27 Jun 2015 11:03:09
I think Barnez is referring to you saying 'rtfp' and suggesting you try a new turn of phrase?

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27 Jun 2015 12:23:31
What does RTFP mean??

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27 Jun 2015 12:49:56
Cheeky ed02 took the f out of rtfp.

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27 Jun 2015 01:41:34
it is a week since my last post. of which I was criticised for being positive for asking that we back the staff, team etc, only to be hit with "did you see how we played last season?".

Yes I did see how we played last season. but I also saw how we played the season before when we ripped apart Arsenal and Everton and others, scored 100+ goals and played the most entertaining football since the early 90's and came second in I have to admit was not a very strong league.

But we did finish 2nd.

We have a manager who because of his shiney teeth and big nose and because he has been vocal and positive throughout a difficult season which he has not delivered has come under emence scrutiny and been subject of some very childish critism. yes I agree he is an easy target.He sets himself up for abuse.

BUT

We are not in the champions league, yet we are still attracting big signings. I would like to know how or why?

I would like to hear that it is due to us recovering from a difficult season and filling the gaps left by Mr Suarez and the in coming players can see the direction we are heading.

Not that Brenda is rubbish, the transfer commity is buying the players. Brenda is not involved etc etc.

Until we actually see that Mr Rogers has been sacked we back him and the board and we build to push for CL and again see a manager who sets a team out to win a game and not to avoid defeat.

If i was to be drawn in to any constructive critisisim. (sorry too may Tigers- Spelling)

Goal keeper. We need better.

Defense. Could and should be stronger.

Midfield. Looking sound and varied options.

Forward. Need a proven 30 goal a season forward (fit Sturridge will do).

Let the critisism begin.

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27 Jun 2015 06:08:44
There isn't a '30 goal a season' striker in the prem.
Also we haven't attracted big signings, we have signed one, and the other two we are linked too are happy to stay.
Our defence has been poor for rodgers' whole tenure but hasn't improved at all. ? We played good attacking football for a year, but then changed our style, and when It didn't work he didn't change It back to the one that made us second but just tried to solve both problems by playing 3/4 players out of position

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27 Jun 2015 06:39:54
How about adding to your constructive criticism list.
1.Stop wasting money on players that aren't needed.
2. Playing players in their correct positions.
3.Playing a formation that suits the players instead of trying to fit the players into your formation.
4. Bring in a defensive coach when its obvious we need one.
5. Thinking about what your going to say before you open your mouth.
6. Using a CDM player when you have one (Lucas), this is a special role and requires a set type of player.

There could possibly be more. I don't think most of the criticism was unfair. I think some of it became abusive, but I think by the end of the season it was bore out of frustration more than anything as some of the issues were glaringly obvious and looked as though BR was just ignoring them. Oh and I forgot 2 biggest issues.

7. Stop saying everything is rosy and praising effort when it so obviously isn't, fans are not blind. It just makes BR seem foolish.
8.When you sell your best players you replace them with as like for like in quality not panic buy rubbish because you've been dragging your feet all window, putting in derisory offers. (This seems to be getting better). A big problem in that we need a quality striker is still there.

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27 Jun 2015 07:45:51
Agree with the last 4 points, not really sure what's you're asking re the rest of it. Yes we got 1 big name signing with a no nonsense, make the right offer approach. Obviously the Liverpool name still carries some weight, couts would probably have been asked an opinion from RF and it probably didn't hurt than one of south Americas brightest stars recently played for us. Milner seemed to want to play more than anything, whic he would have struggled to do at most of the CL teams ( though I do rate him highly)

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27 Jun 2015 07:52:20
Shouldn't you be giving full support to each and every player as well? You can't give unwavering blanket support to the manager and then suggest that we need to replace his playing staff as well. If you're happy to take the "I support the manager while he is manager " stance then it should be equally important to do the same with every player too

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27 Jun 2015 08:07:42
There are lots of positive things going on but the fundamental issue is that Brendan is not up to the job.

He has been backed fully by FSG and he has been given time but he has been found wanting in so many areas. His public comments have been an embarrassment and at times downright destructive.

He has not been able to sort out our defensive frailties.

He has played too many players out of position.

He has not embraced the need to properly bring through our youngsters by gradually integrating them into the first team squad.

He has been tactically inept.

Liverpool should never ever be beaten 6 : 1 by Stoke and the manner of the semi final defeat to Villa was unacceptable.

Brendan is not a bad man but he is just not right for us at this point in time. If we had Jurgen Klopp with us now then I reckon he would get us 10 or more points than Brendan will with the current players. That is how important the manager/ coach role is.

So whilst FSG continue the good work with the stadium expansion and bringing in new players and investing in youth they really do have to replace Brendan. To my mind if there is any chance to get Klopp in they simply have to do other. It will be the best bit of business that they could follow. It would be a total game changer on so many levels.

Whilst Brendan remains we will be fighting with one hand tied behind our back. It was right for the club to part with Pascoe and Marsh. We just have to complete the process and say thank you and goodbye to Brendan.

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27 Jun 2015 09:35:00
Natural poolie - I wouldn't disagree with your list of constructive criticism. I would point out that many could be directed at LVG last season and I hear Arsenal and City fans say similar things about their managers. This is all normal questioning of your manager. Where BR outdoes anyone is his foot in mouth problem. But the central point of difference between the pro and anti LFC is about whether last season is Rodgers level or the season before? I wavered massively last season but I can't forget BR had us ticking along at the required run rate for CL (and possibly title challenge) for 18 months. And he put together another strong run in betweem the shite last season. That's what I pin my hopes on.

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27 Jun 2015 17:33:05
Boom, the issue is that the BR of 2014, is the BR who in the first half of the season, was playing the same failed system but we had two deadly strikers who could out score teams hence, we could win games without playing well or defending well. It was Bielsa who advised him to play the footie we all knew and loved in the second half of that season that nearly won us the PL. Then, last season was the time for BR to make the jump and cement himself as a true genius by using said advice and building on the credit he had garnered. He blew it completely due to his ego and his false pride as well as pointless stubbornness. He ditched the system and went back to the slow, boring passing game that he came with on his arrival that got us nowhere then and made the players look terrible and our results suffered for it. Then, he goes back to the high press when his job was on the line and we played better and won those games even tho, we were poor in some of them. He tried to be his own man and was found out to be incompetent when running the who w with no advice or input from others. BR is a perennial ditherer who has shown his level which is not good enough for a big club. It is his dithering that has led the owners to take decisive action, take charge, and rip responsibilities away from him because he seems to have no plan or strategy, never adapts and is indecisive both on the pitch and in the TW. So for me, I know BR's level now. When left on his own, he is a woeful manager. But when he takes advice from others or if his job is on the line and gets desperate, he does the right thing. No big club or fan base should have to put up with that type of senseless dithering, incompetence and indecisiveness

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28 Jun 2015 10:24:06
Redohio. You often conveniently forget things to support your pre determined and fixed position.

To say we didn't play well a lot of the time in Rodgers first two seasons is to be a denier. LFC fans and the world of football lapped it up.

It's the more exciting we've played in more than a decade.

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{Ed001's Note - in the second half of the second season, yes we played good football, in the other season and a half we were not good to watch.}

27 Jun 2015 01:40:52
Well, three days of being positive was fun. Glad most people seem miserable again.

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27 Jun 2015 00:50:42
Ed don't have to give me names but surely we have other options than Benteke and Bacca. From reading todays info, Villa have no intention of dropping their price. Thus should make us move on straight away. Bacca is happy where he is and i wouldn't wanna spend over £21.8m to get him.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained many times where the club has interest but generally clubs don't just buy for the sake of it - although I agree Liverpool might.

Right now it is something like this for the "forward" players considered:

Firmino - he has agreed to join.
Ings - has agreed to join Liverpool.
Benteke - interest has returned but price is seeming to be an issue.
Bacca - Liverpool has spoken with his agent but no offer has been placed with his club.
Llorente - Liverpool has been in contact with his agent.
Mandzukic - Someone representing Liverpool has approached his agent, but he is moving elsewhere.
Ntep - Stade Rennais' Paul Georges Ntep has been watched.
Vietto - Moving to Atletico Madrid as expected.
Heung Min Son - I suspect it would be very difficult to make happen as he seems very happy where he is and will be playing in the Champions League.
Carlos Vela - looked at recently but nothing more.
Aubameyang - he is keen on a move to Italy but may stay where he is.
Gameiro - his stock is on the rise but Liverpool have had no recent contact (according to a representative of another interested club).
Baez - this is probably one to forget now.
Kishna - all English interest has gone or never materialised according to De Boer.
Lacazette - another English side met twice with Lyon about Lacazette and a number of other issues and any move this summer, particularly to England, is not viable right now although interest remains from elsewhere - Aulas has mocked rumours that Liverpool could buy the player.
Depay - moving elsewhere.
Bakkali - interest will have gone.
Andre Ayew - going elsewhere.
Walcott - if Sterling were to leave then a move for Walcott may be considered.
Cheryshev - if Sterling were to leave then a move for Cheryshev may be considered.

27 Jun 2015 05:28:32
So basically it boils down too
Bacca,benteke,Llorente as an actual striker. Or we go for a winger in walcott,ntep, cheryshev. I personally am baffled why we didn't bring in Baez. Yet another idiotic decision by the club. Not one of the names listed interests me one bit.

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27 Jun 2015 08:50:32
Thanks Ed

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27 Jun 2015 09:25:51
Benteke and Llorente though good players just wouldn't suit out style of play. Benteke was useless the beginning of the season and only started to show his qualities when villa started pumping balls into the box which if i'm not mistaking we had thenleast cross attempts out of every team in the prem last season.

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27 Jun 2015 10:59:13
Ed2 if you don't mind what's the situation with Rondon on that list? Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know of any interest from Liverpool in the past couple of years.}

27 Jun 2015 00:26:51
Hi Ed 02,
I remember reading the other day that we had to be careful not to spend an money until July 1st. I'm presuming it's to do with FFP and the start of a new monetary year or something like that. I was wondering if they might not want to increase the offer up front for Kovacic until after that date???

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{Ed002's Note - You are right about the reasons but no money has been spent yet - the signings won't happen until July 1 at the earliest.}

27 Jun 2015 00:35:16
thanks for that

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27 Jun 2015 00:02:45
So good piece of transfer business so far I don't think Migs is a number 1 gk but let's hope with Clyne and the new players the team gels and give Migs a lot of confidence

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27 Jun 2015 12:55:39
I think people tend to forget his age and experience as well. He is still young for a goalkeeper, not a major international and has only really had a few seasons of EPL first choice level. Considering how much of that has been played behind the shakiest defence in the league he ain't that bad. Don't know that he'll ever be the full package but he's a very good shot stopper, with decent levels at the rest and room to improve.

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